Will Eevee 2.0 Replace Cycles? | Blender 4.2
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The release of Eevee 2.0 in Blender 4.2 has sparked a fascinating debate within the 3D community: Could this enhanced real-time render engine possibly replace Cycles? In this video, we delve deep into the capabilities, improvements, and potential implications of Eevee 2.0, comparing it directly with Cycles to see how they stack up against each other.
Eevee 2.0 brings significant upgrades, offering near real-time rendering speeds with improved lighting and shadow fidelity, which makes it a tempting option for many projects. However, Cycles, known for its path-tracing capabilities that provide photorealistic results, holds its ground in scenarios where ultimate realism is paramount.
Join us as we explore use cases, performance benchmarks, and visual quality comparisons between Eevee 2.0 and Cycles. This analysis will help both new and seasoned Blender users understand the strengths and limitations of each engine, guiding you in choosing the right tool for your specific needs in Blender 4.2.
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Even if it's not replacing cycles, it's gonna be so useful for people to preview stuff a lot faster with pretty accurate viewport. :)
I love modelling / vertex editing in Eevee over cycles!
Perhaps now I will stay with Eevee for the whole process, do you stick to 1 for a .blend start to finish?
for preview purposes, old eevee was enough, only good side now is u can preview objects with displacement shaders
It's also perfect for rendering long sequences quickly. I don't use Blender but I picked up Unreal a few years ago for that reason alone.
But like, Cycles is already plenty fast on RTX cards. And I'm taking about 20 series cards.
If the work ends in Cycles I don't see much point using Eevee. I can see it being a good option to simulate videogame rendering but that's it.
@@FlameRat_YehLonpersonally, I use Eevee to get a rough preview on how the scene will look with lighting and materials, cycles can still take too long to preview bigger scenes. I still prefer Cycles as the final renderer though.
Also using volumetrics is a no-go for me when using cycles, as it is way too slow for the quality you get.
Eevee can also look better in some instances.
Eevee 2.0 really does looks like the next step in rendering faster for those with weaker hardware
you'll still need to use at least a GTX1080 as the minimum to actually manage the raytrace part, going under that spec basically you just want to go back on the old Eevee method because RTSS is quite heavy on much older GPU
@@yasunakaikumi I can manage it on my 1070 but I think anything under that isn't going to work. I have a 4080 i am still in the process of building my next PC hopefully soon
@@yasunakaikumi Isn't a 2070-2080 a better fit for the minimum?
@@yasunakaikumi nah, 1060 and almost all fine )
@@yasunakaikumiGeForce 660Ti here 💀 Still figuring out should I upgrade to 4.2 at all
Great tutorial but 7:28 my ears!!
LOL
made me jump LMFAO
To make sure you're not napping in the class 🤣🤣
Tinkletinkle hoy!
hahahahahha
i love EEVEE for motion graphics! this is gonna be big!
Your stuff already looks amazing, excited to see what you do with this
Your materials are going to look 🔥 dude!
I'm so happy eevee finally got some love, it's been my main renderer for 3 years it's just that you need to know a few things to get the most out of it.
Same 🙌🏾🙌🏾😌
As a cycles fan eevee is a champ you can get crazy results even without global illumination
Quick note: Fast GI Approximation settings (aka "horizon scan" mode) are working at Max Roughness values from 0.0 to 0.8, and it takes light probes into accounts. From 0.8 to 1, Eevee Next transitions from Fast GI into pure raytracing mode, and if I remember correctly, in this mode it stops using light probes. Or maybe they changed that, not sure
what are you talking about?
Good video, but the sound is really badly balanced
Thank you for this walkthrough. There are somewhat few out there who are focusing on settings for animations, rather then rendered stills. Much appreciated =)
I can hear my laptop crying when i say im turning cycles on. Since it aint the most powerful thing.
This is a great step ip on eeve and helps a lot to set it up before hand.
Great video
This is amazing! A huge win for anyone who struggles with cycles renders. Great video my friend! 🔥
Eevee 2.0 looks amazing. Thank you so much for reviewing it and creating a tutorial showcasing all the new features. Also congrats on making it in the 4.2 Showreel.
Best video so far on EEVEE 2.0 settings!
This was very needed. Thanks!
Cozy ass channel I love it. Could listen to this guy Blender all day
Oh wow these comparison Images in the beginning really show how big the jump between Eevee 1 to Version 2 ist, and how close it gets to Cycles quality. In this example shot I would absolutely go for Eevee.
dont believe too much in images because not much difference they have.
@@Ericaandmac ? Did we see the same Video?
@@smepable Test urself, video doesnt matter, if u know how to use both eevee well, u can see difference urself and see the downgrades. Eeevee next is nothing different if u used SSGI version of old Eeevee.
Screenspace Global illumination is not a new technology, it should have been in old eeevee, thats finally added but its still screenspace so it will cause inconsistency in videos (screenspace transmittion improvement is good because old eevee almost lacked it), Only unique and nice thing added is Shadows from HDRI but u could give some shadows by adding ur own light to where sun location is before as well , and VSM shadows, the technique UE5 uses, its very good new technology in terms of being future proof, also now it has displacement but u cant still use many displacements without ruining GPU, what we needed was parallax displacement for Eeeve but its still not here.
but if u look overall u cant say Eeevee next is some much better looking. Its faster in the bake lighting aspect but Someone who know old eeevee can get same results by knowing how to use it.Or if someone use SSGI eevee build, they already had results like this. So it cant be compared by images but can be compared by time taken to reach same things. Plus Old eevee was better in UI aspect cuz it allowed u to seperately enable reflections GI and ambient occlusion or refractions . now they put them in same section and call it raytracing but its not RTX yet, its still same screenspace
@@Ericaandmac oh ok
@@Ericaandmacdoes the ssgi version cost money though cause when i went to the download page it cost money.
edit: checked the page again and it costs 0 dollars. i guess i clearly went to the wrong page or something
Can I just say I love the no bullshit opening. Just a straight up answer, no it won't replace cycles, but is a great option and worth learning about.
I really appreciate your knowledge and ability with Blender I am just not into the style of your work. Don't misunderstand I think what and how you do it is amazing I am just not into it aesthetically. Thank you for all your hints, tips, and recommendations in how best to use Blender.
i really appreciate, that you do answer that title question immediately xD
Excited 🤯
This is such a step up for those using UPBGE !
I'am using Eevee and this Update ist HUGE 🤩
It's really nice seeing Eevee get some significant upgrades now. I remember being so excited for realtime rendering back in 2.8 when it was introduced and with this update it's getting closer and closer to being a genuinely usable thing for final renders without having to compromise quality. Obviously Cycles is still better for most things, but there may come a day when the difference is very minimal, and that's super exciting.
great video, thank you for the indepth look at the new eevee, seriously though by the time I make all the adjustments you've mentioned the render time blows out to be much slower than cycles.....and cycles just works without alot of the tweaking thats required with eevee next. I suppose people may be able to find some sort of compromise between quality and render times that works for them.
Thanks for the run through. If I ever use Eevee I will look at this to see those settings. But even now I can't be bothered with all the messing about for trivial variation to save a bit of render time. Just use Cycles click and wait, go do something else for a while. (ok some few will be so desperate to save time, good luck to them).
Oh what just struck me is this Eevee system needs a simple slider single button. That alters the parameters automatically to fit the time it is taking. So you set it to 30 secs and it sets all their things so the scene just renders in that time as best it can.
Amazing. Even if it's not a matter of slower hardware, it's nice to just be able to render faster.
Make lag like cycles?
alright thanks for the quick answer
excited about the changes - I've pretty much switched to using EEVEE for everything because I realized the feedback cycle on Cycles was killing my momentum and enthusiasm - the instant feedback is really helpful
Nice video. You didn't mention the difference in render times between Eevee, Eevee next, and cycles. Thanks
This new eevee 2.0 is amazing, it's closing the gap for emerging artists who don't have a high end pc but don't want their movie to look like a play 2 videogame (i'm exagerating, eevee 1.0 can look as good as a high end unity game without rt, and eevee is the #1 choice for NPR pipelines and will be for a long time)
Well blender still should build a new engine completely for npr rendering and only for npr since evee is catch up with cycles in realism
@@Otakubro6hope for it, npr has been on 3d long since its beginnings in videogames, like the awesome style on wind waker, but it wasn’t until into the spiderverse that npr became a thing on animation. Right now there’s a team making a fork of blender “goo engine” that focuses on npr (especially in 3d anime) and adds some interesting features to eevee like artistically controlled mesh shadows and light linking (it is a thing in blender now, but it’s exclusive to cycles in the main branch) but since eevee is being developed 100% towards pbr now they’re working on a render engine from 0 focused exclusively on npr and maybe add it to main branch once it’s done (they’ve said that right now they’re not adding the eevee features bc of eevee 1.0 being deprecated)
@@CarlosAMaldonado yet blender doesn't have an engine dedicated to it which it does need to fit both pbr and npr based workflows maybe call it toon engine or something
Eevee works just fine for npr and even better now with raytracing and shader displacement
Hey yo, I have question what about refraction behavior on glasses and kristals?
When Spectral Cycles arrives - Cycles will be so scientifically photo-accurate that way fewer ppl will ask this question.
The accuracy bar should constantly be moved: rasterized -> raytraced-> pathtraced -> spectral pathtraced -> wave optics
not sure if this is the right place, but for a while now im struggling with bloom/glare in animations, how to render that. ik you use sequencer but that just works for one frame at a time (image render) and not an animation
I did not open blender for maybe 6 months as I only use it occasionnally, raytracing in eevee got me excited so I opened blender before I even finished your video and made a cornell box setup to test cycles vs eevee, and the results are very good
unfortunately I've noticed that they've removed a lot of features from eevee and replaced some of them with their equivalent in raytracing, I liked the bloom effect a lot in eevee for example. and it sadly broke every single one of my old eevee projects :( Either they look extremely bad with a lot of noise everywhere, or they simply just don't work at all
ıt looks realistic enough for me even if its not good as cycles, ı cant even imagine the time its going to save. thats a great one
I don't know if it will replace cycles all together, cycles is great for things like baking and all that but I will say.. I did update to the experimental 4.2 branch to try it out... Cycles has always ran like crap on my 1660 Ti. Even with a relatively small viewport, my FPS is terrible and I can't get it to look super crisp without the camera not moving forever. My PC is just outdated... I tried out the new Eevee and even if I have to use cycles for my final products, I will say using Eevee up until that point was really nice. It was really nice being able to move the camera and objects in the scene around and I could see everything relatively crisp and clearly, even with my entire screen as the viewport. The lighting and everything did look much better. I'm excited to see where this goes in the future and the improvements they continue to make!
It will be a while still until something can fully replace proper rendering, but it's fantastic that we're getting so close now!
You need to put some warning for people with low ceiling to wear their helmets because who would bother with sound normalization 😅
Other than that, really nice overview 👍
does anyone know why the material preview lags so much more in 4.2?
This is so awesome to see. Huge fan of this. So is it Eevee 2.0 or Eevee Next?
whatever you wanna call it
For clamping (when active AKA not 0), you should use HIGHER values, like 10, and not small values like 0.1 since that will clamp any ray with an energy higher than 0.1, darkening the scene.
@SouthernShotty at 1:52 you say the numbers are misleading. its a 𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤 which mean its a ✨fraction✨. how it works is that if you want full resolution, its 1 out of 1 meaning its the same, but if its 1 out of 4 than it will be a quarter resolution.
👇who went to middle school
Awesome breakdown, but by god those title cards (ex 7:28) are LOUD compared to your voice. Please adjust the volume between elements
Anyone knows the bgm in the intro?
You didnt explain how to get to the raytracing settings. I can find it ...
What graphics card you have
GYATTTTTTT
What exactly does the Max Roughness do?
Bird gyatt 🔥
Question, do i need an RTX gpu to use the Ray tracing feature? Can my GTX 1050 Ti use the feature?
It requires OpenGL 4.3+, anything as early as 2012 would probably work
u shouldnt be decieved by that new word ''raytracing'', its not RTX or that new hardware raytracing that we see in UE4 , its same technieuqe, its screenspace raytracing, so it doesnt need any RTX thing. Screenspace reflections and refraction are all same logic, they just added Screenspace Global illumunation and made code better and updated, and they added shadows from HDRI and changed shadow technique, naming of raytracing is not accurate in blender UI, so dont mind that naming,
Ducky 3D be really happy after this
Well, this time around, I sincerely hope this turns out to be for real cos I remember you once did a video, some months back, seriously hyping up Eevee Next, which turned out to be pretty bad when we tried it😂
I'm still waiting for 4.2 to release before I continue any hobby work with Blender.
I swear, once I get my first paycheck, half of it will go to Blender for being so awesome and free.
0:57 shallow depth of field! high would mean the exact opposite (more in focus)
Your sliders in UI are orange color. How can I change that look?
without comparing them side by side, i'm fine with evee
Nice look on evee, actually its like unity from few years back 😂😂
I feel like that gif of caseoh after saying shrimp alfredo
What beta branch/build is this in?
I do very complex procedural textures in blender to bake for gaming, Cycles is magnitudes faster than Eevee for that when the shader goes more complex... Does Eevee 2 fixed this?
I could see animators just using Eevee just for rendering by importing their work into it from their favorite external software.
is eevee next here though? after every update they say the next update will have it and keep pushing it further every update
It’s coming in 4.2 (or 4.3?) or whichever is coming out this month
path tracing realistic render engines almost became realtime with recent hardware especially with realtime denoisers, even pc games started to bring path tracing option. Now game engines or realtime engines started to look like created with path tracing render engines. The line is blurring so quickly so eventually they all will be merged into one and the same
Can you do a fisheye lens in EEVEE 2.0 ? Or is that effect still exclusive to Cycles ?
1:39 Note: EEVEE next uses screen space ray tracing, unlike cycles, which does pure path tracing
In testing so far, at least for the scene I'm working with, I cannot see any big difference between high and low resolution settings. I use 1:16 for both Raytracing and Fast GI Approximation and low number of rays and steps, and I cannot see any difference. So I don't agree on that you should crank up the settings
yes I fully agree, as long as its screenspace it always feel half quality and cranking up doesnt help much
@@Ericaandmac After some more testing with other scenes I would say that cranking up GI is important in some scenes (Resolution at least at 1:2, 5 Rays, 40 steps) but settings in Raytracing can still be very low
@@valleybrook yes also it depends on the samples, if u put more samples that cranking up GI will work better, so maybe thats another reason why it doesnt change much in some scenes with low samples
song at the start?
Thank you! Very informative, even for a complete beginner like me.
Just one thing about the editing though, the music in the transitions is WAY too loud. It actually hurt my ears ;-;
Does Eevee 2 have projection spotlights tho?
How did you get 4.2 early? It's not supposed to come out until the 16th.
beta experimental version.
i think in future we will get cycles 2.0 too since we got better eevee
I hope 5.0 has some tech like unreal 5s
Is it out now evee next
im worried about eevee next not having bloom
Blender should build a npr render engine next for the people who want 2D styled renders similar to the malt engine
Caught u in just 48 secs
It's my 1st time & it's biggest achievement of my life 🙃😅
Keep growing 💗
When's 4.2 being released?
With this much devlopment in evvee,Maybe blender game engine is coming in the future.
For me, eevee next is here to replace other tools like chaos vantage
Eevee 4.0 will look realer than real life.
And run in real time as well!
Imagine this video exhisted before i started a 100 hour render
I can see eevee getting closer and closer to lumen quality
But does it render alpha transparency!!???
Shadows... I need transparent, colored shadows!
is Eevee same quality as Iclone render?
Cycles was my main renderer, now it’s EEVEE Next
I hope i can use eevee 2.0 with ray path node...
Low depth of field, not a high depth of field. A high depth of field would mean the background would remain in focus as well as the foreground.
Is it just me, or is Eevee kind of slower than Cycles in some cases. I know viewport performance is nice. But when you go to do the final render, I’ve always struggled with getting a 4K render to be fast using Eevee. Sometimes it’s as much as 10 - 20 seconds per frame. For that time, I’ll just render in cycles and get a better looking image anyway.
One of the downsides of Eevee (and still also Eevee Next as well what I've seen so far) is how transmission has to be set up and that emissive materials don't just simply work like in Cycles. It's good to have a quick render, but since my GPU is much better than my old one I stick to Cycles most of the time instead of thinking how I have to change my materials to get them to work as desired.
Anyone else getting really noisy shadows in eevee next? Especially from the sun light with the angle parameter set high.
I'm not against eevee getting raytracing, but now simplest renders get stupid amount of noise for no reason even when raytracing is off. I am sticking with my 4.2 alpha release that had both eevee renderers. not gonna move until they let me install the legacy eevee.
Cool story bro.
Do we need a gpu for eevee2.0?
APU is enough to run it probably but it hits my rx 5700xt hard
@@camel1830sheesh! Will my hp specter x360 nvidia geoforce mx150 be enough?
Me waiting for cycles 2.0 🗿
What new features will be there in Cycles 2.0?
@@technoober8352 Ray Tracing 2.0
@@JonathanK13 What are the benefits/new features?
@@technoober8352 more ray more trace
We already have the Cycles X ❤
Am I the only one that likes the original version
glass reflections were better
and overall the engine was faster aswell
me too, the UI was better, u could adjust ambient occlusion and reflections and refradtions seperately, now they put all in raytracing which is not even real rtx its just scresnspace, and it doesnt give ability to disable AO or refractions and reflections seperately, UI is more like a markettingx technique to decieve users who is hyped by that big raytracing text
I hope one day Blender Evee will beat Unreal Rendering quality 😅
It's slowing down my computer a lot!!!
Cycles crashes my pc ;_;
>eevee 1.0 render is just material view render
>eevee 2.0 render has tons of love and effort put into it
>"yeah guys eevee 2.0 is better"
yeah no wonder obviously rendered view will look better then material view
But ambient occlusion is not working when hdri is in a sence 😅,
If anyone have solution for it plz tell me
Really? in old eevee i can see the ambient settings 🤔
@@Hbal2030 in new eevee next
I just wast my 2 hours to solve it, but it didn't help me 🫠
@@yogmistry4850 oh. and the rendering like good or bad in new eevee ?
@@Hbal2030 if a sence is indoor or without using hdri lighting, then ya it can be good render