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I saw two missionaries talking to a black man in the bus yesterday. I interrupted them and told him to look up "Mormon Church - Blacks and the priesthood" before joining. They are cornering people in buses here in Germany, third time that I saw them starting conversation in the bus where people can`t flee.
That isn't why they talk to people on the bus. Missionaries use public transportation. Yes, anything anyone wants to know about the LDS church is on the Internet. Not all sources are correct.
@@user-yo5ht6hm7q Yes, they use public transportation in their commute, that doesn`t give them the right to do missionary work in that setting. Also, they don`t just do that when they communte, they explicitely get into the bus only to corner people and start doing missionary work. They get into the bus, look around where they see someone sitting alone, walk up to them and start talking about the LDS church. To be more specific: they walk up to immigrants who sit alone because they know that they have way more chances to get them to be interested or be polite enough to listen than a native German.
@@user-yo5ht6hm7q "Blacks and the Priesthood" is one ot the Gospel Topics Essays on the official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So if you think this information is not correct you should really talk to your bishop or other church leaders about that.
My son's house has floor-to-ceiling cupboards in the dining room. Set-in cabinets all along the hallway. The first time I walked through his house, i immediately said, "this house belonged to Mormons."
When I think about it now, my grandma’s house was kinda like that. With the amount of cabinets she had the builders put in, all over the house and the garage, you’d think she was Mormon. (She was not, lol. She just had a lot of stuff.) And now when I really think about it, I don’t even think she was religious! I can’t even remember her ever talking about god or anything or the sort. 😆
When I think about it now, my grandma’s house was kinda like that. With the amount of cabinets she had the builders put in, all over the house and the garage, you’d think she was Mormon. (She was not, lol. She just had a lot of stuff.) And now when I really think about it, I don’t even think she was religious! I can’t even remember her ever talking about god or anything or the sort. 😆
That girl's shirt analogy is so ridiculous because Mormons send out their young people to stand in high-traffic places and tell as many people as they can that their shirts (religion/personal beliefs) are ugly
@allyjmjm I mean, they used to try and force me to tell off youth for what they were wearing at youth dances when I was a youth leader. Judging is something the morms are very familiar with.
Yes! Do a video on food storage and prepping! In the 90s, my LDS friends had stocks of food in their basement. One of the daughters said, "Our Bishop wants to be ready for Y2K, just in case." But then my mom told me it was a "Mormon thing", not just Y2K panic. Give us the deets!
I wanna know too. That stuff seeped into catholic school emergency kit nonsense (the excess or fluff being the nonsense not the kits lol) I always remember the water suggestion being like the flats, per family member, for a couple of years. Tho where I live there are large garages, maybe they were just bored. But ya how did the community help get knocked off the list of must do in favor of just packing urself into ur own Costco 😂
The short version is that Mormonism is a doomsday cult. This is what is meant by the name “latter day saints”. It’s all based in the idea that we are living in the latter (final) days until the return of Jesus and the ensuing apocalypse. some Mormon groups still heavily emphasize this and if I recall correctly there used to be a rule within the church that members had to keep an amount of food in their homes to last them a particular amount of time during the societal collapse that they believed was quickly coming. Hence why so many Mormon dishes are made with shelf-stable foods. Just a lil info dump. I hope they make a video on it tho because I would love to learn more about this aspect of Mormonism
If food storage is so important, the church itself should just buy a massive amount and have it for the members. They could donate it to food banks and replace it when it gets near expiration, they could help so many people that way plus have the food storage safety net for their members. They take so much money from members, and it seems none of it is used to benefit the members in any way. At least taxes go to some stuff we all use, but with Mormonism they just take and take and take and ask members to pay for everything themselves.
For real! My family finally stopped collecting food storage because of how money we realized we were wasting. Like, as a kid, we were never allowed to touch the food storage, even if we were out of the specific food. We’d go to the store and grab more and the food storage would just waste away. I mean, thankfully we had it for Covid, but after that, we never started it again because of how much we were wasting.
@AaronNickolas7 that's so odd! Using your disaster stash, and just replenishing it as you go, is a much more reasonable thing than setting food aside to rot. How sad.
@@LittleMissLion Yup they sure do -because the prophets, seers & revelators who speak to god & jesus told them to. Poor families are also commanded to pay tithing even if they’re only earning minimum wage. My comment was addressing the social media flexing, I should have included that
As a single-income household supporting children, I find a lot of security in bulk food storage. I also find it more affordable in our current food climate, once you adapt to buying that way. But there are ways to do it that aren’t wasteful. I actively use my food stores and replenish as I go. It makes no sense to just have rooms full of ingredients that you don’t even normally use.
That's how I do it too. Bulk buy when things are on sale, as much as I can afford, and then eat it and replenish when there's another sale. I really don't get people letting it waste away. It's all used here
@@PsstErika I make all my bread products from scratch. If you’re actively using your stores of food it absolutely makes logistical and financial sense to buy in bulk.
as a never-mo one of the most fascinating parts about mormonism to me is their ability to integrate capitalism so intensely. the prosperity gospel obvi also has the same intensity, but it's so much more obvious where as mormonism has been able to weave it throughout all levels and as time has progressed it becomes more extreme. a one off prosperity preacher vs the gargantuan system of lds makes its so scary!!!!
We had shelves in the garage dedicated to food storage, and it all got thrown out and replaced once a year. It never made any sense to me as a kid either. 😅
Like, my parents would also buy non-perishables a bit more often than the normal families when we were struggling more but we would and still do participate in every food bank or food giving initiative around. We have a little bit to give so why not 🤷🏽♀️
If anyone is curious why it seems like ex-Mormon content creators are louder than all the others, watch Alyssa grenfell’s video about how the Mormon church funnels money into Mormon content creation. There are a ton of ex Mormon content creators for the same reason that there are a ton of Mormon content creators. There’s a lot of church funding behind the keywords that both groups use to promote their content.
43:29 you talking about perfectionism and how toxic it is… it took me going to therapy and a lot of reflecting to realize a lot of my anxiety stems from the church instilling a perfectionist mindset in me. Just reframing it to “I’m trying my best everyday” has been so freeing
My in-laws have food storage from the 90's still in their garage, and my parents have food storage that they bought when I was a small child that they never used. What makes me mad on top of that is that in both cases they bought all this when they barely had enough to get by as it was. And where did they buy it? The bishops storehouse after being encouraged to after a general conference. All that food and money has gone to waste.
I spent hours doing a system for my parents so they knew what needed to be used soon, etc, so they could save the little money they have. I don't think the system ended up being used.
I am from a different religion. My parents dutifully paid 10% of their income even when they could not afford to but their children clothing. I wore clothing given from other families that was decades out of fashion. They were so out of fashioned that I was made of. I already looked different ( I had red hair) that I did not need anything else to help me stick out even more than I already did. All of that money spent for what?? To be able to sit in a pew every week and listen to how bad we are as human beings. Now I have literally paid thousands in mental health treatment to undo all of the self hate conditioning doled out by the church and my parents.
28:05 I went to Catholic school. I never had problems with the church, but I did with the school. I started unpacking my school trauma last year. The two people who made me realize how horrific what I experienced was were two people who did not attend the same church I did. One grew up Christian/went to a Presbyterian church and the other grew up Catholic. I can't speak for everyone, but having an outside voice very much did help me in unpacking the shit I went through as a kid. I needed someone who didn't know me then, someone who didn't know anyone who did that stuff/who attended the school to talk to about it.
People who want to limit or completely shut out outside perspectives are such big red walking flags for me now. One of the best thing imo one can do is look at the other side of ones opinions see other perspectives maybe your mind might be changed on some aspects or you just come back even stronger convinced of your own arguments. Took me years to realize a lot of my school life was spent under adults that abused their level of power and trust if outside perspectives hadn't shown me that this is indeed not something one should go through and def not normal i dont know where I ended up at I hope you can heal and move on wards and thrive💛
I will say, growing up in a small Mormon town gives me a different perspective on food storage as well as communal sharing (being from Orderville that’s a given tho 😜). Since I grew up 1-2 hours from even a Walmart we were constantly rotating our food storage because we used it throughout the year. My parents also had a garden (I don’t want a yard with flowers or a vegetable garden because as someone with allergies I hate weeding, haha) as did most people in town. Every summer/early fall everyone was giving each other buckets of vegetables/fruits and my mom used to bottle most of it that was put in the yearly cycle of food. Most evenings my mom would send me down to the basement (which was just food storage) with a list of canned and bottled goods for dinner that day.
@@bamccabe1 sure, they are Mason jars. But they’re also bottles and my mom always asked me to go down to the basement to get a bottle of pears/etc (as opposed to any actual store bought canned food). 🤷🏻♂️
I would love a video on food storage/prepping! I babysat a Mormon family and when the kids showed me their food supply my mind was blown. Wall to wall in their entire basement FULL of food, medical supplies, etc.
Sam and Tanner, you should do Mormon meme reaction videos regularly (if you enjoy it)! From what I can find, no one else in the post mormon space has done one in a while.
Ok, so y’all don’t sing “praise to the man”…? Praising is a form of worship and that song is directed to Joseph Smith. So yes, you DO worship Joseph Smith!
Only those with money (or all their essential needs covered) have the privilege of “not caring” about money. Saying you don’t care about it is just showing the world you’re an a-ol
The thought process of the 2nd person baffles me... she's like: I wonder if there are videos being made about people leaving other religions and then checks her For You page instead of, I don't know, using SEARCH to look up keywords and hashtags.
36:00 Grew up Mormon in Utah (mostly) and my parents were big on the food storge. They would go to the canning events at the Bishop's Storehouse Cannery. Basically, they would go as a RS, EQ activity and spend a couple hours volunteering at the cannery and then would be able to purchase food storage to take home. We probably had a years worth of flour, oats, and dehydrated apples that we moved around with us (we moved nearly every year) ... I finally convinced my mom to throw it all out after probably 15 years.. there is NO way any of it was still good.
My grandfather dug a massive trench near his house to store 20 or so massive (person sized) canisters of grain. I'm not sure if he ever finished that project
I keep forgetting about Mormons and food storage. My parents have an entire room dedicated to food storage. There were some things we used, but a lot of canned items were definitely just left on the shelves. 😅😅😅
This all just makes me so glad that TikTok didn’t exist when I was 19 years old and catholic; I cringe to even imagine what I might have put out there 😅
Omg the other day I got recommended a tik tok live of someone defending the church. He was so wrong about *everything* I was dumbfounded. He didn’t know about the gospel topic essays and didn’t believe they could be a credible source “I only read d&c and didn’t see any of that in it” like duh why would Josep Smith bring up any of these things in there?? He also said they never talk about currency in the BoM which I was like ??? I did not read (and struggle to make sense of) that part of Alma for you to say it doesn’t exist. He said he would pay $10 to anyone that could point him to where it discusses currency in the scriptures and then ignored my comment🙃 And then he tried to justify Joseph marrying minors bc we grow so they’re no longer minors in heaven. I was like sir pls stop talking you’re making everything worse
It makes sense if you don't think about it. Yes. It made sense to me for the first two decades of my life. And then I thought about it. And then my faith unraveled.
26:00 does the person who made this tik tok not know about the block button????? if the "disrespectful" videos bother you, block the people who made them!!!!! its that easy.
The pair of you made me laugh so much. Believing members would absolutely love us to shut the f*ck up when we leave. So glad that content makers like yourself are helping people like me (nearly 50 years a member) have a voice.
Smol footnote: In the old testament you can actually find critics from prophets against sexual abuse. I study lutheran theology in a public uni in germany. And I wrote a 30 page long paper about Amos 2,7 LOL.
God, watching your podcast is so refreshing and makes me feel so much less crazy and alone in this fucked up world. Thanks so much for doing what you do, you're blessings fr.
32:59 Yeah. I can talk about my religion. You can't talk about your bad experiences tho. Because that's mean. Anyway. Just be a good person. Xoxo love 🤗
45:55 I had a revelation: your work is so mind soothing (amidst the attempts at brain washing) because to hear people who know, not just the literature and cultural (indoctrinations) understanding, but feeling it deep in your spirit, soul, core (guided by righteous love & the goodness of humanity and awe of the compassionate universe- that all organized religions and ride on the coat tails of) where in apologetics don’t have a single second to try to slip into my subconscious mind unnoticed before Tanner comes in ~unpacking the texts~ and Sam relates a current event and I’m like “Wow, it’s all power structures co-opting access to our own humanity in attempts to use us for evil to funnel MORE power to the head. But really there is no head we’re on a sphere and my fellow earthlings are my planet’s community- things and ideas are decomposing, and what we’re left with is a nourished deep foundation from which new growth will rise again. And again…”
Ok commenting again because seriously, I needed this video. I feel like the whole world just gaslights me about the absurdity of religion. But it’s absurd. Actually edit- can you guys do a video explaining how religious people are gaslighting atheists?!?
My mother in law had tons of bottled food that we threw away after she passed. It was so old and there was even meat and fish in jars that looked scary. I like to have food on hand because I don’t like going to the grocery store but I really have to work to make sure I don’t waste the food I get.
Listening to this episode while I'm editing someone's screenplay, and Tanner is making me laugh. His "done and not having this BS nonsense" fury is amped. Speak it! Samantha adding the layers, pointing out the absurdities and hypocritical ironies of the Mormon indoctrinated concepts and closed minded practices is in gear. The synergy of you two is perfect. Wish y'all woulda been around when I was trying to decide on going on a mission. Needed someone to hammer sense into me so I didn't make the mistake of then being stranded in mission hell. I bought into: "Every young man must serve a mission." 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 PS: Yes to polycrop gardening and community supported permaculture. Enough with this reliance on stores and restaurants and corporate food for every calorie from a food system that can collapse in a day. Instead, collapse the monocrop farmed animal feed crop industry, and replant paradise.
The food storage reminds me of the irony of many christians (im an ex christian and assume its similar for mormanism but not 100% sure) of always being like you have to trust god etc and then when something happens to them its all the equivalent of food storage and not trusting him (eg my grandad is always telling my chronically ill mum to trust god and lean on him and whenever he has an issue its straight to the emergency department.
Great stuff, always love a good exmo time with ma zelfies, so don’t get me wrong, I love the “not taking the bullshit today” “I’m not above getting a little feisty” energy from Tanner today, but for his sake, I want him to know, I will happily watch whatever he feels like doing in front of a camera and uploading. I want him to be happy and free from this demon plague of Mormon madness 😭
Trueeeeee with the looks! I always never felt like part of a clan in my wards because I don't like the typical Utah church goer and even latina in the church. I'm pretty chill with my outfits especially on Sundays lol only thing I got noticed for is for my curly hair haha
one time i had a college roommate at byui who had a year's worth of food storage in out student housing apartment. six people in one apartment, all of our normal belongings, food supplies, etc., so already a tight fit. PLUS this roommate's year's worth of food storage. such a weird thing to explain to my never mormon parents lmao
totally valid feelings about Palestine and Israel, as well as Germany's approach to the issue...but definitely be careful about how you throw the term "Nazi" around
34:40 - although a year supply was pushed at some points, the advice was that if you have the means and you're a really good mormon, you should have a 4 YEAR supply of food, fuel, etc. Look up the talks by both Kimball and Featherstone (president of Q70). Featherstone talks about (literally) getting 1 ton of wheat per person. There are even ensign articles from around 2013 talking about how someones parents had a silo on their propertly which had rotted through with something like 3-5 tons of wheat and the grain was only good for cattle but that this was the example of faith that they remembered from their parents. This really should be an episode. My parents served cracked wheat for breakfast for over a decade every single day to try to make a dent in the wheat storage.
In 1998/99, my aunt and uncle opened a y2k/survival/camping store in a NOT mormon area and their business failed. They had tons of inventory left over and spent years selling things on ebay. I will say, though, they actually cycle through their food storage and can their own fruit, veggies, etc.
My mother came out of the German aristocracy. She was a von Something. Her family have been marrying first cousins since the time of Charlemagne, no joke. It isn't a good idea!
The guy making the apologetics analogy about the library book... Does he really think that acting like he's talking to a child while spouting bullshit and making ridiculously poor analogies with a smarmy look on his face is going to win a single person over??? They really can only be preaching to the choir with that kind of drivel smh
My grandma was a devote food storage collector. Meticulous about cycling it, having enough for a whole year, and knowing how to make meals with it. ALL of it got donated when she died. Never truly got used.
Your job may be commentary, but not on any particular topic. Give me the commentary on themed parties. I want to know what's overdone, what's making a comeback, what kind of friends don't appreciate it. Give me tea!
Wouldn't the corollary between schizophrenia and military service also have to do with the age at which schizophrenia generally first presents? Late teens, early 20's- same age people are enlisting?
fantastic video you two, Tanners extra snarky with educational content and its fabulous.Kitty cat is you fuckin tell em. Lol def do more these educational and fun !
LOL, Not Enough Nelsons just came out with their clothing line. One time my LDS friends brought me brownies. But I couldn't invite them in because my apartment was a wreck. I took the brownies; I didn't know what to do. They were good. Would they have helped me clean?
So I live with my cousin and so we both share the same grandparents on one side and they have given both of us a bag of hot chocolate mix from Deseret Farms- one of those Mormon owned food storage companies- for multiple christmas gifts, and we have so many. But good news is, it’s actually so good and it’s my favorite. We have so much I’ll never run out and I didn’t have to personally buy it myself, lmfao. Also, slightly unrelated, when I was little and bored on sundays because I couldn’t do anything normal to entertain myself, I would sort our food storage and pull the oldest stuff forward and put the newest back. I was like a freshness manager running a kitchen in our little hallway that was half taken up by shelves of food storage. (That we actually used, thank goodness, not hoarded). I ran out of food to organize at one point though so I made a classification system for our food storage because I’d just learned about those in 7th grade science class. 😔
I saw two missionaries talking to a black man in the bus yesterday. I interrupted them and told him to look up "Mormon Church - Blacks and the priesthood" before joining. They are cornering people in buses here in Germany, third time that I saw them starting conversation in the bus where people can`t flee.
That isn't why they talk to people on the bus. Missionaries use public transportation. Yes, anything anyone wants to know about the LDS church is on the Internet. Not all sources are correct.
@@user-yo5ht6hm7qNot everyone would think to look that up, and it’s not information they reveal to black people, is it?
Woah, in Germany? That must be terrible for both sides. Personally I wouldn’t be pleasant if they cornered me on my daily commute.
@@user-yo5ht6hm7q Yes, they use public transportation in their commute, that doesn`t give them the right to do missionary work in that setting. Also, they don`t just do that when they communte, they explicitely get into the bus only to corner people and start doing missionary work. They get into the bus, look around where they see someone sitting alone, walk up to them and start talking about the LDS church. To be more specific: they walk up to immigrants who sit alone because they know that they have way more chances to get them to be interested or be polite enough to listen than a native German.
@@user-yo5ht6hm7q "Blacks and the Priesthood" is one ot the Gospel Topics Essays on the official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So if you think this information is not correct you should really talk to your bishop or other church leaders about that.
I like it when Tanner is a bit cranky, it's relatable
came here to say the same !! hahaha
My son's house has floor-to-ceiling cupboards in the dining room. Set-in cabinets all along the hallway. The first time I walked through his house, i immediately said, "this house belonged to Mormons."
When I think about it now, my grandma’s house was kinda like that.
With the amount of cabinets she had the builders put in, all over the house and the garage, you’d think she was Mormon. (She was not, lol. She just had a lot of stuff.)
And now when I really think about it, I don’t even think she was religious! I can’t even remember her ever talking about god or anything or the sort. 😆
When I think about it now, my grandma’s house was kinda like that.
With the amount of cabinets she had the builders put in, all over the house and the garage, you’d think she was Mormon. (She was not, lol. She just had a lot of stuff.)
And now when I really think about it, I don’t even think she was religious! I can’t even remember her ever talking about god or anything or the sort. 😆
Oh wow
What's wrong with that exactly?
@@akpredwho said anything was wrong? Neutral statements exist
Tanner is extra salty today and I am here for it.
That girl's shirt analogy is so ridiculous because Mormons send out their young people to stand in high-traffic places and tell as many people as they can that their shirts (religion/personal beliefs) are ugly
@allyjmjm I mean, they used to try and force me to tell off youth for what they were wearing at youth dances when I was a youth leader. Judging is something the morms are very familiar with.
Yes! Do a video on food storage and prepping! In the 90s, my LDS friends had stocks of food in their basement. One of the daughters said, "Our Bishop wants to be ready for Y2K, just in case." But then my mom told me it was a "Mormon thing", not just Y2K panic. Give us the deets!
I wanna know too. That stuff seeped into catholic school emergency kit nonsense (the excess or fluff being the nonsense not the kits lol) I always remember the water suggestion being like the flats, per family member, for a couple of years. Tho where I live there are large garages, maybe they were just bored. But ya how did the community help get knocked off the list of must do in favor of just packing urself into ur own Costco 😂
The short version is that Mormonism is a doomsday cult. This is what is meant by the name “latter day saints”. It’s all based in the idea that we are living in the latter (final) days until the return of Jesus and the ensuing apocalypse. some Mormon groups still heavily emphasize this and if I recall correctly there used to be a rule within the church that members had to keep an amount of food in their homes to last them a particular amount of time during the societal collapse that they believed was quickly coming. Hence why so many Mormon dishes are made with shelf-stable foods.
Just a lil info dump. I hope they make a video on it tho because I would love to learn more about this aspect of Mormonism
It was created by Freemasons to settle the desert and create a resistance to predispensationalism
If food storage is so important, the church itself should just buy a massive amount and have it for the members. They could donate it to food banks and replace it when it gets near expiration, they could help so many people that way plus have the food storage safety net for their members.
They take so much money from members, and it seems none of it is used to benefit the members in any way. At least taxes go to some stuff we all use, but with Mormonism they just take and take and take and ask members to pay for everything themselves.
The big room of (mostly wasted) food storage is a rich people flex. Just like purses, shoes & cars. I see very little difference.
For real! My family finally stopped collecting food storage because of how money we realized we were wasting. Like, as a kid, we were never allowed to touch the food storage, even if we were out of the specific food. We’d go to the store and grab more and the food storage would just waste away. I mean, thankfully we had it for Covid, but after that, we never started it again because of how much we were wasting.
@AaronNickolas7 that's so odd! Using your disaster stash, and just replenishing it as you go, is a much more reasonable thing than setting food aside to rot. How sad.
@@Aelffwynn RIGHT!
Unfortunately, poor families do this, too. I was in one of them.
@@LittleMissLion Yup they sure do -because the prophets, seers & revelators who speak to god & jesus told them to. Poor families are also commanded to pay tithing even if they’re only earning minimum wage. My comment was addressing the social media flexing, I should have included that
watching you two rant about the church feels so validating when you're stuck in utah county, utah. thanks for everything!!
Cult 101: if you’re so identified with a group that any criticism of that group is taken personally…. Yeah.
As a single-income household supporting children, I find a lot of security in bulk food storage. I also find it more affordable in our current food climate, once you adapt to buying that way. But there are ways to do it that aren’t wasteful. I actively use my food stores and replenish as I go. It makes no sense to just have rooms full of ingredients that you don’t even normally use.
That's how I do it too. Bulk buy when things are on sale, as much as I can afford, and then eat it and replenish when there's another sale. I really don't get people letting it waste away. It's all used here
I could never. 😂 There's nothing I eat often enough to have bulk of.
@@anntares172 I mostly do bulk ingredients like flour, sugar, vinegar, cooking fats etc. and meat.
@@emmychum2121Flour has a shelf life of about a year so it’s not something I would buy in bulk.
@@PsstErika I make all my bread products from scratch. If you’re actively using your stores of food it absolutely makes logistical and financial sense to buy in bulk.
Also, the 'dressing like im at the gym' is a hack for them not to wear their garments.
Slay
I used to use this hack when I was still Mormon haha
Damn, Tanner going on RANTS, and they’re awesome!!! Don’t hold back! 👊👏✅
as a never-mo one of the most fascinating parts about mormonism to me is their ability to integrate capitalism so intensely. the prosperity gospel obvi also has the same intensity, but it's so much more obvious where as mormonism has been able to weave it throughout all levels and as time has progressed it becomes more extreme. a one off prosperity preacher vs the gargantuan system of lds makes its so scary!!!!
I'm selfishly kinda glad, because it probably helped me leave. 😅
I needed you two ranting today. Thank you 🎉
We had shelves in the garage dedicated to food storage, and it all got thrown out and replaced once a year. It never made any sense to me as a kid either. 😅
Like, my parents would also buy non-perishables a bit more often than the normal families when we were struggling more but we would and still do participate in every food bank or food giving initiative around. We have a little bit to give so why not 🤷🏽♀️
That first couple looks straight out of The Handmaid's Tale
Omg Tanner I am appreciating your energy in this video SO MUCH. It’s the headspace I’m in at the moment too and I’m appreciating it.
When the super rich eventually own all the cropland... We all get to become surfs again.
If anyone is curious why it seems like ex-Mormon content creators are louder than all the others, watch Alyssa grenfell’s video about how the Mormon church funnels money into Mormon content creation. There are a ton of ex Mormon content creators for the same reason that there are a ton of Mormon content creators. There’s a lot of church funding behind the keywords that both groups use to promote their content.
43:29 you talking about perfectionism and how toxic it is… it took me going to therapy and a lot of reflecting to realize a lot of my anxiety stems from the church instilling a perfectionist mindset in me. Just reframing it to “I’m trying my best everyday” has been so freeing
My in-laws have food storage from the 90's still in their garage, and my parents have food storage that they bought when I was a small child that they never used. What makes me mad on top of that is that in both cases they bought all this when they barely had enough to get by as it was. And where did they buy it? The bishops storehouse after being encouraged to after a general conference. All that food and money has gone to waste.
I spent hours doing a system for my parents so they knew what needed to be used soon, etc, so they could save the little money they have. I don't think the system ended up being used.
I am from a different religion. My parents dutifully paid 10% of their income even when they could not afford to but their children clothing. I wore clothing given from other families that was decades out of fashion. They were so out of fashioned that I was made of. I already looked different ( I had red hair) that I did not need anything else to help me stick out even more than I already did. All of that money spent for what?? To be able to sit in a pew every week and listen to how bad we are as human beings. Now I have literally paid thousands in mental health treatment to undo all of the self hate conditioning doled out by the church and my parents.
28:05 I went to Catholic school. I never had problems with the church, but I did with the school. I started unpacking my school trauma last year.
The two people who made me realize how horrific what I experienced was were two people who did not attend the same church I did. One grew up Christian/went to a Presbyterian church and the other grew up Catholic.
I can't speak for everyone, but having an outside voice very much did help me in unpacking the shit I went through as a kid. I needed someone who didn't know me then, someone who didn't know anyone who did that stuff/who attended the school to talk to about it.
People who want to limit or completely shut out outside perspectives are such big red walking flags for me now.
One of the best thing imo one can do is look at the other side of ones opinions see other perspectives maybe your mind might be changed on some aspects or you just come back even stronger convinced of your own arguments.
Took me years to realize a lot of my school life was spent under adults that abused their level of power and trust
if outside perspectives hadn't shown me that this is indeed not something one should go through and def not normal i dont know where I ended up at
I hope you can heal and move on wards and thrive💛
There should be a food distribution system of soon to expire food. There are plenty of disadvantaged people who would eat this kind of food.
Hey, that's what I get from Meals on Wheels...
I will say, growing up in a small Mormon town gives me a different perspective on food storage as well as communal sharing (being from Orderville that’s a given tho 😜). Since I grew up 1-2 hours from even a Walmart we were constantly rotating our food storage because we used it throughout the year. My parents also had a garden (I don’t want a yard with flowers or a vegetable garden because as someone with allergies I hate weeding, haha) as did most people in town. Every summer/early fall everyone was giving each other buckets of vegetables/fruits and my mom used to bottle most of it that was put in the yearly cycle of food. Most evenings my mom would send me down to the basement (which was just food storage) with a list of canned and bottled goods for dinner that day.
Is "bottling" food a morman or Utah thing? I've always heard "canning".
@@bamccabe1 I think it’s a me thing. My OCD self as a child couldn’t call it ‘canning’ while watching my mom put fruits and vegetables in BOTTLES. 😂
@@peterhoyt2529 Not just you! Heard it from the Franke crowd when I was down that rabbit hole. Then not why "jarring"?
@@bamccabe1 sure, they are Mason jars. But they’re also bottles and my mom always asked me to go down to the basement to get a bottle of pears/etc (as opposed to any actual store bought canned food). 🤷🏻♂️
@@peterhoyt2529 Regional thing I think. I see a bottle as having a neck so it doesn't compute for me.
The weight lifting Tik Tok with blocks of text denying LDS racism is one of the funniest things I've seen lately
Girl has not seen ex-Jehovah witness channels 😂
I would love a video on food storage/prepping! I babysat a Mormon family and when the kids showed me their food supply my mind was blown. Wall to wall in their entire basement FULL of food, medical supplies, etc.
Sam and Tanner, you should do Mormon meme reaction videos regularly (if you enjoy it)! From what I can find, no one else in the post mormon space has done one in a while.
If the shirt SA-ed me I’d say something.
Tanners vibe matches mine when I'm in therapy 😅
Ok, so y’all don’t sing “praise to the man”…? Praising is a form of worship and that song is directed to Joseph Smith. So yes, you DO worship Joseph Smith!
Only those with money (or all their essential needs covered) have the privilege of “not caring” about money. Saying you don’t care about it is just showing the world you’re an a-ol
The coffee break song was my favorite part of this video!! Love y'all, you're the best!! ❤❤❤❤
It’s funny cuz they won’t call people by the pronouns people want, but expect us to respect them not being called “Mormon” anymore.. funny huh
The thought process of the 2nd person baffles me... she's like: I wonder if there are videos being made about people leaving other religions and then checks her For You page instead of, I don't know, using SEARCH to look up keywords and hashtags.
36:00 Grew up Mormon in Utah (mostly) and my parents were big on the food storge. They would go to the canning events at the Bishop's Storehouse Cannery. Basically, they would go as a RS, EQ activity and spend a couple hours volunteering at the cannery and then would be able to purchase food storage to take home. We probably had a years worth of flour, oats, and dehydrated apples that we moved around with us (we moved nearly every year) ... I finally convinced my mom to throw it all out after probably 15 years.. there is NO way any of it was still good.
As an ex catholic, I can emphatically say that yes, other people from other religions do make videos about leaving their religion 😂
Thank you so much for mentioning Germany's stance on Gaza❤
Yes, I appreciated it so much and I’m glad when I don’t have to worry that a new channel I found could be zionists
"Be a little bit more respectful"
Me and my partner in unison: "no."
My grandfather dug a massive trench near his house to store 20 or so massive (person sized) canisters of grain. I'm not sure if he ever finished that project
I keep forgetting about Mormons and food storage. My parents have an entire room dedicated to food storage.
There were some things we used, but a lot of canned items were definitely just left on the shelves. 😅😅😅
This all just makes me so glad that TikTok didn’t exist when I was 19 years old and catholic; I cringe to even imagine what I might have put out there 😅
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Omg the other day I got recommended a tik tok live of someone defending the church. He was so wrong about *everything* I was dumbfounded. He didn’t know about the gospel topic essays and didn’t believe they could be a credible source “I only read d&c and didn’t see any of that in it” like duh why would Josep Smith bring up any of these things in there??
He also said they never talk about currency in the BoM which I was like ??? I did not read (and struggle to make sense of) that part of Alma for you to say it doesn’t exist. He said he would pay $10 to anyone that could point him to where it discusses currency in the scriptures and then ignored my comment🙃
And then he tried to justify Joseph marrying minors bc we grow so they’re no longer minors in heaven. I was like sir pls stop talking you’re making everything worse
I’m pretty sure every Mormon creator has that same pic of Jesus on their walls. They are so un-original. Do any of them make their own choices?
And I’m sure Jesus did NOT look like that!
@@user-fr4ye3yd7v I've seen Jesus. I can't tell him from Santa Claus. They are both cut from the same cloth.
I mean, probably not. Doctrine isn’t really all that flexible
It makes sense if you don't think about it.
Yes. It made sense to me for the first two decades of my life. And then I thought about it. And then my faith unraveled.
So excited every time yall upload!!
26:00 does the person who made this tik tok not know about the block button?????
if the "disrespectful" videos bother you, block the people who made them!!!!! its that easy.
35:40 that pantry is bigger than my apartment
The pair of you made me laugh so much.
Believing members would absolutely love us to shut the f*ck up when we leave.
So glad that content makers like yourself are helping people like me (nearly 50 years a member) have a voice.
Smol footnote: In the old testament you can actually find critics from prophets against sexual abuse. I study lutheran theology in a public uni in germany. And I wrote a 30 page long paper about Amos 2,7 LOL.
God, watching your podcast is so refreshing and makes me feel so much less crazy and alone in this fucked up world. Thanks so much for doing what you do, you're blessings fr.
Ahhh yay!!! 🩷🩷🩷
I am here for spicy-mood Tanner
I love you guys😊🐳🌈🌸
I love how pointless the trump part is 😂
Barrels & Barrels of wheat. Non electric wheat grinders. Gone
32:59 Yeah. I can talk about my religion. You can't talk about your bad experiences tho. Because that's mean.
Anyway. Just be a good person. Xoxo love 🤗
45:55 I had a revelation: your work is so mind soothing (amidst the attempts at brain washing) because to hear people who know, not just the literature and cultural (indoctrinations) understanding, but feeling it deep in your spirit, soul, core (guided by righteous love & the goodness of humanity and awe of the compassionate universe- that all organized religions and ride on the coat tails of) where in apologetics don’t have a single second to try to slip into my subconscious mind unnoticed before Tanner comes in ~unpacking the texts~ and Sam relates a current event and I’m like “Wow, it’s all power structures co-opting access to our own humanity in attempts to use us for evil to funnel MORE power to the head. But really there is no head we’re on a sphere and my fellow earthlings are my planet’s community- things and ideas are decomposing, and what we’re left with is a nourished deep foundation from which new growth will rise again. And again…”
Ok commenting again because seriously, I needed this video. I feel like the whole world just gaslights me about the absurdity of religion. But it’s absurd.
Actually edit- can you guys do a video explaining how religious people are gaslighting atheists?!?
My mother in law had tons of bottled food that we threw away after she passed. It was so old and there was even meat and fish in jars that looked scary. I like to have food on hand because I don’t like going to the grocery store but I really have to work to make sure I don’t waste the food I get.
Ooof
Listening to this episode while I'm editing someone's screenplay, and Tanner is making me laugh. His "done and not having this BS nonsense" fury is amped. Speak it! Samantha adding the layers, pointing out the absurdities and hypocritical ironies of the Mormon indoctrinated concepts and closed minded practices is in gear. The synergy of you two is perfect.
Wish y'all woulda been around when I was trying to decide on going on a mission. Needed someone to hammer sense into me so I didn't make the mistake of then being stranded in mission hell. I bought into: "Every young man must serve a mission." 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
PS: Yes to polycrop gardening and community supported permaculture. Enough with this reliance on stores and restaurants and corporate food for every calorie from a food system that can collapse in a day. Instead, collapse the monocrop farmed animal feed crop industry, and replant paradise.
oh wow.
would you mind sharing your experience of being on mission?
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The food storage reminds me of the irony of many christians (im an ex christian and assume its similar for mormanism but not 100% sure) of always being like you have to trust god etc and then when something happens to them its all the equivalent of food storage and not trusting him (eg my grandad is always telling my chronically ill mum to trust god and lean on him and whenever he has an issue its straight to the emergency department.
Probs gonna join Patreon specifically for Tennis Shoes 😂 I LOVED those books when I was Mormon.
Great stuff, always love a good exmo time with ma zelfies, so don’t get me wrong, I love the “not taking the bullshit today” “I’m not above getting a little feisty” energy from Tanner today, but for his sake, I want him to know, I will happily watch whatever he feels like doing in front of a camera and uploading. I want him to be happy and free from this demon plague of Mormon madness 😭
The comment about the style guide gave me an audible chuckle. 😂 That shit is all over the place.
Y'all are my comfort RUclipsrs 🫶
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I would love a video about food storage. That sounds interesting!
Trueeeeee with the looks! I always never felt like part of a clan in my wards because I don't like the typical Utah church goer and even latina in the church. I'm pretty chill with my outfits especially on Sundays lol only thing I got noticed for is for my curly hair haha
Can I say that it drives me absolutely crazy the way young utahns say Jesus Christ? Jezhishchrish
one time i had a college roommate at byui who had a year's worth of food storage in out student housing apartment. six people in one apartment, all of our normal belongings, food supplies, etc., so already a tight fit. PLUS this roommate's year's worth of food storage. such a weird thing to explain to my never mormon parents lmao
Hahaha amazing
totally valid feelings about Palestine and Israel, as well as Germany's approach to the issue...but definitely be careful about how you throw the term "Nazi" around
08:15 'that's pretty good' 'in what way?' 😭😭😭
34:40 - although a year supply was pushed at some points, the advice was that if you have the means and you're a really good mormon, you should have a 4 YEAR supply of food, fuel, etc. Look up the talks by both Kimball and Featherstone (president of Q70). Featherstone talks about (literally) getting 1 ton of wheat per person. There are even ensign articles from around 2013 talking about how someones parents had a silo on their propertly which had rotted through with something like 3-5 tons of wheat and the grain was only good for cattle but that this was the example of faith that they remembered from their parents. This really should be an episode. My parents served cracked wheat for breakfast for over a decade every single day to try to make a dent in the wheat storage.
In 1998/99, my aunt and uncle opened a y2k/survival/camping store in a NOT mormon area and their business failed. They had tons of inventory left over and spent years selling things on ebay.
I will say, though, they actually cycle through their food storage and can their own fruit, veggies, etc.
As someone who works in Genetics...the secret to "Mormon Girl Hair" is Endogomy... so be grateful lol. Not worth marrying your 2nd cousin for. 😅
It would be interesting to see what other traits were socially/culturally selected for in that in-breeding, along with hair.
Woah, interesting. I looked it up but I'm having trouble narrowing down search results. Any specific keywords or site I should use?
My mother came out of the German aristocracy. She was a von Something. Her family have been marrying first cousins since the time of Charlemagne, no joke. It isn't a good idea!
Robin Wall Kimmerer mentioned :') love her work
My mom once told me that when I was a kid and we were going to church I would complain and be like: do we really have to go see that old man? Yep.
The guy making the apologetics analogy about the library book... Does he really think that acting like he's talking to a child while spouting bullshit and making ridiculously poor analogies with a smarmy look on his face is going to win a single person over??? They really can only be preaching to the choir with that kind of drivel smh
I didn't know about food storage in Mormon households! That seems like one of the cultiest things about it, weirdly enough.
The UKs chicken conosoir (LDS) seems be having a resurgence. Not LDS themed but he is LDS
"that's a lot of liars to round up" i mean, how many hundreds of em are there in the gov't these days? 🤔
Mormon Jebus wear a hoody
I've probably said this before but I love how Tanner has a mystical portal behind him.
I love that for him. 💖✨
My grandma was a devote food storage collector. Meticulous about cycling it, having enough for a whole year, and knowing how to make meals with it. ALL of it got donated when she died. Never truly got used.
Your job may be commentary, but not on any particular topic. Give me the commentary on themed parties. I want to know what's overdone, what's making a comeback, what kind of friends don't appreciate it. Give me tea!
we are DEFINITELY qualified to speak on this topic!
Please make that film
1:02:25 gaslighting..plain and simple.
Wouldn't the corollary between schizophrenia and military service also have to do with the age at which schizophrenia generally first presents? Late teens, early 20's- same age people are enlisting?
31:08 please make this bit into a short!!
I wanted you to talk about the ScripturePlus lady! I hate watch her once a week at least for the mental gymnastics show
fantastic video you two, Tanners extra snarky with educational content and its fabulous.Kitty cat is you fuckin tell em. Lol def do more these educational and fun !
Tanner...love the shirt and you saying the quiet parts out loud.
The wearer of the ugly shirt probably isn't going to try to make me buy the ugly shirt either.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
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“I can only imagine” hit me hard LOL
I’ve never met someone who resembles an Old Testament prophet more than John Larsen
Love Tanner's clapback at 16:45. Perfect!
"I know in Utah it's more affordable".
I don't think so
Than, say, LA!
Tanner speaking from the heart today!!! ❤
LOL, Not Enough Nelsons just came out with their clothing line. One time my LDS friends brought me brownies. But I couldn't invite them in because my apartment was a wreck. I took the brownies; I didn't know what to do. They were good. Would they have helped me clean?
Lol, the number of times I've tried to rewatch to find the dude on the thumbnail 🙈
So I live with my cousin and so we both share the same grandparents on one side and they have given both of us a bag of hot chocolate mix from Deseret Farms- one of those Mormon owned food storage companies- for multiple christmas gifts, and we have so many. But good news is, it’s actually so good and it’s my favorite. We have so much I’ll never run out and I didn’t have to personally buy it myself, lmfao.
Also, slightly unrelated, when I was little and bored on sundays because I couldn’t do anything normal to entertain myself, I would sort our food storage and pull the oldest stuff forward and put the newest back. I was like a freshness manager running a kitchen in our little hallway that was half taken up by shelves of food storage. (That we actually used, thank goodness, not hoarded). I ran out of food to organize at one point though so I made a classification system for our food storage because I’d just learned about those in 7th grade science class. 😔