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My super melodramatic first tattoo was the garment “knee mark” stitching with a redwood tree growing out of it because the knee mark is a reminder to bow/kneel and redwoods always grow upwards and never bend while also being older than dinosaurs and religion 🤗
Yes! Ive been thinking about the scene after she leaves the tower ever since I've left the church. If I was brave enough to post about my deconstruction, I would definitely want to use that audio! "I can't believe I did this! I am a despicable human being. This is so fun! I am never going back! Hoohoo!" It's just perfect.
I wore garment tops under my bra for about 2 years because that’s how my mom told me to do it. Then I had my first baby and stopped because it was too hard to breastfeed him that way. I never switched back because it was too weird. I felt guilty about that for a while. But then brave women started talking about their garment preferences and I found out I wasn’t the only one being “rebellious.” After leaving the church I got to buy regular women’s underwear at the same time my trans friend was buying hers. That was fun. We got to get used to our new underwear at the same time.
Everyone is different. There are absolutely women who buy underwear together. How do you decide what to get with so many choices? It’s nice to have another person to get an opinion from and help make that decision
I went through the temple for the first time in 1992, and back then, they were still telling women to wear the garment top under their bra. At the time, I was a college student, and i used to literally have nightmares about being in chemistry class, getting splashed with a chemical and having to immediately strip and rinse and my classmates seeing the hideous garment/bra combo. When we left the church in 2013, it felt so scandalous to ditch our garments. The first time my mother-in-law realized we weren't wearing them, she started crying, so upset and worried for what that meant for our eternal salvation. It took several months before I wore a sleeveless shirt to the gym for the first time. I felt like I was going to burst into flames. I'd never been allowed to wear sleeveless shirts growing up, and it took a long time to break the fear and shame associated with that bit of bare skin. Sleeveless tops are now my favorite everyday wear, and I'm happy to say (at age 50), I just bought my first crop tops and super mini skirt.
@@briddle1978 I'm only stating what I was told by the matron and by my mother (who was my witness) when I took out my endowments in the Los Angeles Temple in November 1992. The idea being that the garment was meant to be "a shield and a protection" and should go directly against your skin.
The thing I thought was so interesting about magic undies was that Margaret Atwood used them (and other religions' sacred clothing) as inspiration for the clothing in The Handmaid's Tale.
you both have become one of the best parts of my week. as an adult audhder with religious trauma - connecting with ppl can be hard. listening to you both feels like sitting with friends 🥹😚
The day I got endowed I literally sharted myself at the Applebees across the street during our “celebration” lunch. I had worn garments for what… like 2 hours?? Makes me laugh so hard now when I think about it. 🤣🤣
I remember going through temple prep class with my husband. The wife in the couple leading the class got emotional talking about someone getting burns all over their body except where their garments were. I guess the face I made was t what she was expecting because she asked me if I was okay. I never believed the “protection from fire” thing. I’m a seamstress. A LOT of fabrics now contain, or are coated in, flame retardants. Especially fabrics used for underwear or pajamas. It’s to the point where if children’s pajamas don’t contain flame retardant, you have to include a tag that warns to keep the clothing away from flame.
The idea that getting horrible burns on your face and limbs, but not on your garment-covered torso is not only acceptable, but *faith promoting* is legitimately one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard in my life. Belief in a flat earth holds more merit.
This reminds me a lot of the Catholic version of this, which is the Brown Scapular. It is necklace promises that, if you pray the rosary every day while wearing it and die with it on, Mary will 100% save you from hell, no matter how bad you are. It used to be a garment but now is just a small necklace. When I was Catholic, I was afraid to take it off in the shower in case I died in the shower and was sent to hell.
I had the same realization about how members always shit on the Catholic baptism being a sprinkle of water and yet have no problem with the temple ceremony doing literally the same thing a couple months ago. I am so glad you brought attention to this! It is so crazy to me that I didn't realize it sooner.
This fukin thing has been a disaster for my mental health. It's never been OK to me that the church thought it owned my body. It's always felt coercive to wear. I can't imagine what it must be like for people with female anatomy. If I get accepted by voc rehab, they'll pay for student housing. Can't wait
What the LDS church made me feel about myself actually made me suicidal. Since I’ve left it I’ve been much better. I hope you have a healthy healing journey.
You made a covenant with the Lord to wear the garments of the holy priesthood. If you didn't want to wear them (dumb reason to not enter into a covenant), then you shouldn't have been endowed. Once you enter into a covenant with the Lord, you leave neutral ground. You lose the ability to choose on that issue without violating that covenant.
@briddle1978 I was still a dependent. What was I going to say: "No"? My mom has threatened me over far less severe things. My brother is so unstable that saying no might have put me in danger. (He was living with us at the time) Also, if you think that the social pressure didn't make it a coerced decision, then you are out of your mind. I also decided to just trust God. Maybe things wouldn't be so bad once I got them. Maby, my concern was just misguided. Turns out I wasn't.
@briddle1978… funny thing about the covenants in the temple… they don’t tell you what you’re going to be promising until you are there in front of everyone. What are we supposed to do? Say “no” and walk out in front of everyone? The amount of pressure put on you to say “yes” in that moment is so unreal. Also, in the moment, we were all believers of it. Just because you make a promise when you’re brainwashed doesn’t mean you should keep it when you’ve escaped and healed. Love how your comment is condescending btw. Way to represent your ever so “loving” cult.
It’s also beyond me that people would worship such an OCD weirdo. And NGL a bit of a perve. Nothing about the LDS God seems like a healthy, stable person.
I think this is just a big FU to the women of the church. Basically a smack down for the previous few weeks of women pushing back on instagram. The church’s response was basically saying women you aren’t doing the garment right, focus on your ineptitude and unfaithfulness. I know it affects men too but definitely affects women more.
YES! I remember being publicly shamed at a ward FHE activity because my bishop’s wife could see the hem of my garment peeking out under my shorts. Meanwhile the guys’ garments were easily visible under their shorts while they were playing sports nearby. I always hated the double standard that women shouldn’t allow the garment to be seen while the men made no such efforts.
Lume whole-body deodorant is headquartered in Utah, and now I’m wondering if that’s partially because so many people in Utah probably have big B.O. problems from having to wear hot, non-breathable garments in the Utah heat. (They also just came out with a line of scents for men under a different name, because we can’t expect men to buy products with a ‘feminine’ sounding name, I guess, which also tracks with Utah)
it's so funny that for a split second when i saw your title of the video, I also thought the thumbnail was of you two doing the video wearing nothing but garments. LOL
Were garments a shelf breaker for anyone else? I grew up not far from the coast in California, but served my mission in the deep south. Going from temperate Coastal California to sweatbox sauna gulf coast in a shirt and tie with garments and riding a bike all day was MISERABLE. Also the fact that none of the people down there had any interest in the chuch was a complete morale killer.
Oh wow, I went from CA to the South too, can't *imagine* with not-breathable garments! Grew up diff flavor of fundie, could 💯 see that as a breaking pt.
That sounds brutal. I’ve been to Alabama a few times and you know everyone is right, it’s not the heat that, it’s the humidity. But they did have fireflies and tornadoes.
That new talk at conference described me! Wearing my yoga pants all summer because I exercise in the morning. Then never switching. Then going through menopause and not wearing the tops all summer either. Then reading about the origins of the masonry in the garments and temple. Shelf broken! I looked at them and it just made me mad! I had been fooled for years! I had spent countless hours searching for “proper” clothes and sewing clothes and altering clothes to work for a freaking scam!
@@SuzySylvania As an investigator, one day I saw the video by Alyssa Grenfell where she unboxed a male and a female pair of garments. The next lesson, I talked to the missionaries: "Are you guys Freemasons?" 😂
I only went 3-4 times, too. So, yeah, definitely not enough time to learn the script. In Mormon heaven, I’m relying HEAVILY on the full restoration of memory 😅
I’m a nomo, and a homo. I never even heard about the Mormon church or garments until I was 20. Our lds neighbor would come over to our totally lesbian house to smoke cigarettes and drink coffee. I was very surprised when I saw her garments, under her bra. She explained they were kinda like a wedding ring, to remind you of your vows. It definitely sparked my life long interest in the lds church. They never tried to recruit us, of course, though her daughters would take ours to their ward,and gave her a signed Book of Mormon.
When my stepbrother tried to pull me into the Mormon faith... he made me promise him that I would not Google "Mormon underwear" LOL we all see why now. You guys are awesome 😊
As someone with sensory issues who has to cut the tags off most of my clothes, I cannot fathom wearing garments every day... my heart goes out to all the neurodivergent mormons out there (for this and so many other reasons) :(
Your body really does look out for you sometimes. I’ve looked back over the years and realized my frequent “random” stomach aches happened whenever I was being coerced or emotionally manipulated. I quit going to church because I always felt like I was going to puke the whole service, and I physically and mentally couldn’t take it anymore, but I’m sure that’s *unrelated* lol
I never had a problem with the actual temple ceremonies when I was in. I remember my first time just soaking it in and trying to connect the dots where I could. But I ALSO remember being relieved when there was no actual nakedness in the films or in the ordinances (endowed in 2015, if I'm remembering right). And I also remember half-jokingly telling my parents that "if we have to dress like this in Heaven, I don't want to go." The robe was always falling off my tiny shoulders, the nylon stockings were always itchy, and the veil tied against my glasses always made my head hurt a little. The only parts I ever loved about the temple attire were the slip and dress I got to pick out to put everything on top of. Beyond that, I think my first time through was the only time I was ever even sort of at ease, and that was just because I knew I would have guidance and understanding as a new initiate. While the teachings didn't bother me much, I went less and less over time because, mechanically, the only part of the endowment session that didn't have me clenching my sweaty hands in anticipation of the next thing I needed to do was the Celestial Room. Even then we'd only spend a few minutes in there before leaving. Every time I exited the temple, it would feel like I could sit up straight and actually breathe fully again. Now that I have so much more context, and I can appreciate it for what it was, both the good and the bad. It took me several months to feel okay taking off my garments, but when I finally did, I feel like I finally got a chance to just be a body for once. I'm never going back anyway, but if I did I'd be at a loss because the caranessa got too itchy and not insulating enough for me and they stopped making the dri-lux. X)
My dad had an angle grinder explode in his hand while cutting with it. Part of his hand was partially severed and he got three large cuts on his chest. To this day he claims the only reason he survived is that he had his garments on.
That’s so wild, what I always find it funny that people claim god/garments/whatever saved their life, but it was god that made the angle grinder explode? It’s all just special pleading.
I hate garments so bad! When i was first married i would sneak regular panties in my work bag and change the second i got to work then after work i would workout so i got away with only wearing them at night sometimes. Fast forward went inactive totally stopped wearing them and got divorced. After the divorce for some odd reason became active again decided to try to go back to the temple. Of course they wouldn't give me the recommend until i could wear them 24/7 🙄for couple months. I thoght surley they have improved them last 8 years. Nope nope and nope. I tired to wear them i remember going on a walk it was maybe 70 outside. I got so hot at the 3/4 miles in i literally jumped in some bushes (it was a country road) and took them off! Lol😂 i never did go back to the temple and now inactive. I enjoy my morning coffee everyday and dont worry about making it into a segregated heaven.
how does this channel not have at LEAST 200k subscribers yet .. you two have to be some of the most likable people one can come across in the internet!
I feel like walking around in the tropics wearing garments under a shirt, tie, and dark slacks was kind of a rite of passage - so I don’t regret that as much. The big regret I have is when I lived in SoCal as an underwater cinematographer. Weeks on boats and beaches there, Hawaii, the Bahamas, etc. and changing out of my wetsuit straight back into my garments.
When I was a Mormon yrs ago I lived in an apartment and was doing laundry I had may garments stolen and thinking back maybe it was for the best since I'm a ex Mormon and had nightmares when I wore them .
I just realised that as a lifelong atheist, the feeling of getting gowned up in a cleanroom suit and walking into a food factory or empty operating theatre sounds exactly like your description of the celestial room! Newsflash: for eternal salvation, become a maintenance electrician.
You left out cinnamon whiskey being part of the washings. I am not kidding. I will not join the mainstream LDS Church since they dropped cinnamon whiskey.
Some background information on the Garments and the Temple Ceremonies: 1) The washing and anointings predate Joseph's entry into Masonry. They were practiced in the attic room of the Kirtland Temple. They involved old style tubs filled with whiskey laced perfumed water, and it was a full scrub down. Yes. The OG temple was little better than an exclusive bath house for the leadership of the church. The anointings involved a lot of oil, and people were basically greased up all over at the end. 2) Full tub Washing and Anointings continued into the Salt Lake Temple period and were replaced by the shield and dab approach either during the reforms made during the presidency of Heber C. Grant, or during the further reforms made by David O. McKay. I have seen the tubs, which were at that time still in storage in the lower levels of the temple. If I recall correctly, there were in the lower of the two underground levels. In that same room were shelves filled with pitchers and wash basins to be given to recipients of the second anointing. 3) Heber C. Grant was also the first to alter the original garment. Many argued against him doing.it. One of the seamstresses of the original garment (the OG G) was still alive and was interviewed to determine how much of the design was what Joseph asked for versus what they came up with on their own. Please note that the women (including Emma) who sewed the original garments created a piece without embedded symbols. The symbols were cut into the garment during the endowment process. Some men were left with scars on their chests from this process. As no women were endowed until Emma accepted polygamy and became the first endowed woman, none of the women could be entrusted with the symbols of the holy priesthood. After Emma was endowed, she objected to having the garment cut while on her person so loudly that she was allowed to add the symbols to the garments used for future endowments for women prior their use.. Anyway, Heber C. Grant introduced a long-john style garment with a button up drop bottom and button up front. The neck line was much lower than the original, but this new one extended to the ankles. They were made of thick cotton and were great in a cold winter, but totally unbearable in the heat. I've worn these and can attest. 4) I'm not sure when the penalties were reduced to the ones I first encountered, nor when the oath to avenge the death of Joseph Smith was removed, but I believe it was after 1956, based on my mother's initial temple experience, and so most likely came about along with the first film version under the leadership of David O. McKay. In October 1953, President McKay tasked Gordon B. Hinckley with the job of finding a way to present the endowment in multiple languages in the upcoming Swiss Temple without needing too many temple workers. Brother Hinckley came up with the idea of a film presentation with headsets playing audio in different languages at once. This initial film was made in the solemn assembly room in the Salt Lake Temple. He did get permission from Walt Disney Company to use a segment from Fantasia to present the creation. This was done with permission. The flow and content of the endowment was altered at this time to make it fit more easily with a the filmed presentation. Changes to the live endowment reflected these improvements. The first film was completed by June 1955, and was first used in the Swiss and then the New Zealand Temples. So shortly after my mother took out her endowments in 1956, the ceremony was altered everywhere else. Her second visit to the temple would not be for several years, as she served a 3.5 year mission in the far-east immediately after being endowed. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have. I will answer what I can.
That all very interesting to know. Thank you for sharing! Even the early changes in the garments are interesting. 😅 White Shifts were super important in Western Europe (becoming cultural “canon” by the renaissance)so it’s interesting to think about how that could have influenced even American Mormonism. A common misnomer during early colonization was that cultures that didn’t wear shifts and white under tunics were heathens and savage compared colonizers.
Fantasia is all animation. It kind of fits the bill considering how much we're conditioned by the church to have a child-like world view. Also those penalty oaths seem so worth it when the pay off is delighting in Mickey as a wizard's apprentice set to some sick classical music 🥴
My mom is out of the church now and has cut her garments into belly tank tops bc she swears they are the comfiest things to sleep in 😂 she still finesses getting new ones to cut up to wear to bed lmaoo
I was endowed in 2016 and the main thing I remember was being so anxious about not knowing what was going on. I felt so out of place and heavily relied on my grandma and mother in law to be to guide me through. I was sad that my mom and siblings weren’t with me (as they all left the church before I did) and I think that contributed to me feeling out of place. On top of it all, the veil I had on was so thick I could barely see through it which added to my disorientation. On a side note, it’s hilarious to me that they used to use clips of Fantasia and I wonder if that’s why we watched it so much when I was a kid.
As a Brazilian nevermo, I really can't even imagine how horrible must it be wearing those everyday, going to work and walking around in 100F heat, I could never survive not being able to go sleeveless. Se algum Br estiver lendo, as pessoas são tão rígidas com isso como em Utah? Não é possível!
I thought about this before, when garments first came out, women were wearing a chemise (the white night gown thing) then a corset over top & in the mid 1800’s the style of dress was long sleeves & high neck so garments underneath wouldn’t of been a big deal for dress. I’m curious if Mormonism started in the early 1800’s when the dress style was an empire waist & lower cut dress if it would’ve been similar or not. Just a thought because garments matched the dress so well. Although maybe I’m giving these men too much credit that they would’ve cared at all.
Yes! When I was 14 and sitting in a young women’s class, our bishop came in and taught us a lesson for an hour where he repeatedly referred to us as “walking pornography” for the young men. Ick. Edit to add: and he repeated told us that it was our responsibility to make sure that the young men didn’t have immoral thoughts about us. Double ick.
Garments never meant much to me. I just couldn't turn the symbolism they were assigned to actual meaning for me. The first thing i did when i realized the church wasn't true was take them off. I ended up getting some boy short underwear and a white tank top to wear to my parents' house, so it would look more like I was wearing them 😂 but then I realized that they didn't notice my second piercing in my ear that I had gotten after spending a week together so they probably weren't that observant and they probably wouldn't notice.
I am hyperphant and my kid is aphant. Hilarious moments in homeschool trying to describe things til we worked it out. (Then it became a hyperfixation for us for a few weeks lol) weirdly gives her ability to see *what is* not what her brain fills in. So her memory is more accurate when it comes to visual stuff
I was outed for having left the church by an ex partner who posted pictures of me wearing a dress without sleeves on facebook, and my parents immediately called to ask why I wasn't wearing my garments. After that phone call with my parents they barely contacted me for a full year.
I was wondering why the vote was between Banksy and Bernie and Jack was excluded! I'm holding off on voting since I haven't met any of them in person. 😂
My poor, sweet sister is 19 and on a mission. She got her garments, and she was sad bc she's an actual petite girly. All her taller friends got petite garments to wear shorter shorts, and the petite garments gave her no wiggle room. She also got rid of lots of her old clothes that wouldn't work even tho some of them were her favorites.
I'm not sure why this popped up on my feed but I wear garments and I think they are great. Nice to see that a lot of the people in the comments here are respectful of something that I hold sacred. I appreciate everyone for being understanding of what we do. Love everyone who sees this and I wish you all the best!
As a fan in San Antonio I hope y'all have a great time on Texas. be prepared for some unbearably sweltering weather and awfully designed highways ❤ (but also great street tacos)
oh yeah i thought you were supposed to wear the garment top under the bra and was constantly annoyed by my bra riding up until i made my first rebellious move and started to wear my bra under my garments. also yes that was how i kind of signaled to my MiL that we were no longer going to church because she could see that i was no longer wearing them.
I would imagine that wearing those polyester play suits would be absolutely insidious after a while just the thought of having to wear those things kept me away from going to the temple. I just allowed myself to wear cotton and not take out an endowment that I felt was superfluous.
Samantha you're fine. What you say is so much more important than how you look every moment of the waking day. Which is great but don't worry about how great.
I feel like the garments made more sense for women when they wore corsets and had to wear chemises underneath. Since the change from stays and corsets to bras, it's become incompatible. I wonder what the church had to say about bras at that point?
Well for us older people we were told bras HAD TO BE WORN.no exceptions OVER the garment and underwear could not be worn UNDER the garment..no matter what( implying that time of the month) trying to adheir to that with an a cup was a nightmare..the bras would NEVER stay in place if you were tiny on top and lets not even get into that time of the month...When we kept asking please that time of the month can't we wear under ..it was obsolutely not..if you can't manage stay home and if you any spots must change them..periods were noghtmares..all of us seceretly wore undies under and learned to just keep your mouth shut..Sheer insanity...at some point in the last 15 years the instructions changed ..they no longer pulled the instruction THAT NOTHING COULD COME BETWEEN the garment and your skin EVER! like they did to us..Know this we had much older members that became incontinent and still had leaders telling them they had to obey their temole instructions so could not wear adult incontinence products UNDER..So as carers we had huge amounts of laundry, smelly houses, damaged furniture, it was gross disgusting and vile..and carers started to say we won't come in and help..I still believe that is THE ONLY REASON why the church changed the instructions..But here is the kicker..we still have leaders and reief society presidents and bishops telling ilder people that they have to do the garments the way they were instructed in the temple and can't use the new instructions....I refused and stop taking care of my mother in law over this...and I am not the only one that have had to deal with old people and this nightmare..
@@kimberlycherrine-bell5371 I could not even imagine that it would be expected under an incontinence product. Really I would never expect that. That’s just tragic and I would think it would increase the shame that comes incontinence. So sad.
@kimberlycherrine-bell5371 omfg thats horrible i didnt consider period and incontinence products ?! Im glad people are starting to move away from those insane rules, but it's awful y'all had to go through that :(
@@AndImsomelady-fq6cwit would increase the shame, the discomfort and probably would make people even more prone to infections and such. This is absurd holy shit
Halfway through the video and idk if you bring it up later but I thought I’d write it before I forget: Aphantasia! That’s what it’s called when a person is unable to visualize things in their mind
I have veeeeeery little visual imagination. It's all words and sounds to me. Every brain works different and it's so weird to remember that even the way we imagine things is different.
@2130 There was never any direction or instruction from the LDS Church as to whether the garments were to be worn below or above bras and underwear. The fact that she shares this anecdote is proof that no one had specific instruction on this issue.
I’m in my 60s. In my teens, I heard ALL the stories about people being protected by their garmies. Burns on uncovered skin, etc. Even then, it was creepy, weird, and ridiculous to me.
I remember the circle part of the endowment made me so uncomfortable my first time through the temple, I refused to participate in it every time I went after that. I wore garments for ten years and just took them off a month ago. Forgot how much more comfortable and convenient regular underwear is.
Love how the temple endowment and the garments have no scriptural precedent AT ALL. They claim it's a restoration but the Bible describes entirely different garments and temple ceremonies. Freemasonry, on the other hand...
It’s interesting that you talked about Fantasia being a part of the temple movie thing because the word for visualizing physical things inside a person’s mind is “phantasia”. Aphantasia is the name for when people cannot visualize things that you were trying to think of. There’s also hyperphantasia, which is extreme visualization. Since I was curious, I just looked up the term for when people don’t have internal monologues, as in, when they think about stuff, they are not imagining a voice speaking language. That’s called anaduralia, and apparently it is linked with aphantasia. As a person with a strong inner monologue and who can “see” pretty vivid pictures in my mind, I have a REALLY hard time conceptualizing how that even works. Especially combined! I’m a teacher and I teach a lot of creative subjects like drama and writing. I USED to say things like “just picture it in your mind and write what you see!” And I could get frustrated with students who would (from my perspective) refuse to write anything or say why. Now, I wonder if “picture it” is just something they couldn’t do and they didn’t understand what the heck I was asking of them! I try to do better these days, but there needs to be more empirical research done on what the best practices for helping students with these different cognitive styles. If anyone who has aphantasia or anaduralia reads this, I’d love to know what strats you use to help you get your ideas on down paper!
I have aphantasia and I sorta don't understanding your last question? If the ideas are in my head, I can write them down. If the ideas are not in my head, I can't write them down. Since I don't picture things, I don't understand how "picturing" something is a helpful step in the process 😂
@@emilyboj Well, for example if I’m writing the stereotypical “my summer vacation” essay, I picture what I did over vacation in my mind, and I can kinda ‘rewatch’ my memories. It’s not exactly like a movie screen in my mind, but I can conjure images, and I use thise images to help me add details to my writing. Or something more concrete. Let’s say, I let you examine some object, like a weird sculpture or something, for a good few minutes, but then I cover the object with a box and ask you to describe it in writing? What would your thought process be like in that situation if you aren’t remembering a visual image of the sculpture?
@@zacharycates5485 hmm okay In the first case, I can remember what I did without seeing it in my mind. Depending on the essay requirements, I could describe the itinerary or pick a few moments and describe how they made me feel, for instance. It would perhaps be less visuals focused, but I think the essay would be just as complete as anyone else's. In the second case, I think it would depend a lot on whether or not you told me before hand what the whole task is. Cause I could start composing my description while looking at it, and remember that plenty long enough to write it down. But if you covered it and then surprised me with instructions to describe it, I'd be at a huge disadvantage compared to those who could picture the object again. My initial reaction would probably be *PANIC* followed by resentment. I could probably describe one or two features that particularly stood out to me, but my work would be less complete. I am interested, for those who do see in their minds, what the point is of such an exercise?
@@zacharycates5485 To be more general, I think I just naturally rank the importance of visuals lower. I enjoy reading fiction that has a lot of clever dialogue. I remember how things make me feel more than precisely what they look like. I'd guess my spatial awareness & sense of direction are a bit above average, so that's what I rely on for anything from packing a bag to designing the layout of a room to remembering how to get somewhere. I'll only remember the colour of something in rare cases when it stands out a lot (ex: a bright blue building among a bunch of browns & greys) but I'm pretty sensitive to noises and smells.
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My super melodramatic first tattoo was the garment “knee mark” stitching with a redwood tree growing out of it because the knee mark is a reminder to bow/kneel and redwoods always grow upwards and never bend while also being older than dinosaurs and religion 🤗
Whoah!!! ✨
I love this.
That is so iconic :)
im stealing thissss
Badass !!!
I’m convinced the movie Tangled is actually about a girl leaving the Mormon church.
who do we assign gothel to be? nelson or oaks?
@@chlyriorrrr Bednar?
Yes! Ive been thinking about the scene after she leaves the tower ever since I've left the church. If I was brave enough to post about my deconstruction, I would definitely want to use that audio!
"I can't believe I did this! I am a despicable human being. This is so fun! I am never going back! Hoohoo!" It's just perfect.
lol and her “magic hair” is actually symbolic of her “magic underwear”
@@michelle5784 yes!!! That’s exactly how it is when you start the transition!!
I wore garment tops under my bra for about 2 years because that’s how my mom told me to do it. Then I had my first baby and stopped because it was too hard to breastfeed him that way. I never switched back because it was too weird. I felt guilty about that for a while. But then brave women started talking about their garment preferences and I found out I wasn’t the only one being “rebellious.”
After leaving the church I got to buy regular women’s underwear at the same time my trans friend was buying hers. That was fun. We got to get used to our new underwear at the same time.
that's so sweet i love the underwear bonding moment 😭
That is so cute and makes me happy ❤🎉
Controversial statement here: that's kinda weird. I don't think women even do that kind of thing; buy underwear together.
Everyone is different. There are absolutely women who buy underwear together. How do you decide what to get with so many choices? It’s nice to have another person to get an opinion from and help make that decision
@@briddle1978Not as weird as Mormon underwear lol
I went through the temple for the first time in 1992, and back then, they were still telling women to wear the garment top under their bra. At the time, I was a college student, and i used to literally have nightmares about being in chemistry class, getting splashed with a chemical and having to immediately strip and rinse and my classmates seeing the hideous garment/bra combo. When we left the church in 2013, it felt so scandalous to ditch our garments. The first time my mother-in-law realized we weren't wearing them, she started crying, so upset and worried for what that meant for our eternal salvation. It took several months before I wore a sleeveless shirt to the gym for the first time. I felt like I was going to burst into flames. I'd never been allowed to wear sleeveless shirts growing up, and it took a long time to break the fear and shame associated with that bit of bare skin. Sleeveless tops are now my favorite everyday wear, and I'm happy to say (at age 50), I just bought my first crop tops and super mini skirt.
Women were never told to wear garments over or below their bras. That is a lie. No official instruction existed on that point.
@@briddle1978 I'm only stating what I was told by the matron and by my mother (who was my witness) when I took out my endowments in the Los Angeles Temple in November 1992. The idea being that the garment was meant to be "a shield and a protection" and should go directly against your skin.
The thing I thought was so interesting about magic undies was that Margaret Atwood used them (and other religions' sacred clothing) as inspiration for the clothing in The Handmaid's Tale.
you both have become one of the best parts of my week. as an adult audhder with religious trauma - connecting with ppl can be hard. listening to you both feels like sitting with friends 🥹😚
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The day I got endowed I literally sharted myself at the Applebees across the street during our “celebration” lunch. I had worn garments for what… like 2 hours?? Makes me laugh so hard now when I think about it. 🤣🤣
Hahahahaha
Great comment lol
Dang, not 2 hours before you defiled your garments! No wonder you fell away 😆
This is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard 😭😭 if that ain’t a fuckn sign dude
@@Alexacake19 that’s what I’m saying. It was bad omen!
I remember going through temple prep class with my husband. The wife in the couple leading the class got emotional talking about someone getting burns all over their body except where their garments were. I guess the face I made was t what she was expecting because she asked me if I was okay. I never believed the “protection from fire” thing. I’m a seamstress. A LOT of fabrics now contain, or are coated in, flame retardants. Especially fabrics used for underwear or pajamas. It’s to the point where if children’s pajamas don’t contain flame retardant, you have to include a tag that warns to keep the clothing away from flame.
The idea that getting horrible burns on your face and limbs, but not on your garment-covered torso is not only acceptable, but *faith promoting* is legitimately one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard in my life. Belief in a flat earth holds more merit.
I am LOSING MY SHIT knowing that you have a Dav & Bethany collab coming up 🤯
This reminds me a lot of the Catholic version of this, which is the Brown Scapular. It is necklace promises that, if you pray the rosary every day while wearing it and die with it on, Mary will 100% save you from hell, no matter how bad you are. It used to be a garment but now is just a small necklace. When I was Catholic, I was afraid to take it off in the shower in case I died in the shower and was sent to hell.
I had the same realization about how members always shit on the Catholic baptism being a sprinkle of water and yet have no problem with the temple ceremony doing literally the same thing a couple months ago. I am so glad you brought attention to this! It is so crazy to me that I didn't realize it sooner.
This fukin thing has been a disaster for my mental health. It's never been OK to me that the church thought it owned my body. It's always felt coercive to wear. I can't imagine what it must be like for people with female anatomy. If I get accepted by voc rehab, they'll pay for student housing. Can't wait
What the LDS church made me feel about myself actually made me suicidal. Since I’ve left it I’ve been much better. I hope you have a healthy healing journey.
You made a covenant with the Lord to wear the garments of the holy priesthood. If you didn't want to wear them (dumb reason to not enter into a covenant), then you shouldn't have been endowed. Once you enter into a covenant with the Lord, you leave neutral ground. You lose the ability to choose on that issue without violating that covenant.
@briddle1978 I was still a dependent. What was I going to say: "No"? My mom has threatened me over far less severe things. My brother is so unstable that saying no might have put me in danger. (He was living with us at the time) Also, if you think that the social pressure didn't make it a coerced decision, then you are out of your mind. I also decided to just trust God. Maybe things wouldn't be so bad once I got them. Maby, my concern was just misguided. Turns out I wasn't.
@briddle1978… funny thing about the covenants in the temple… they don’t tell you what you’re going to be promising until you are there in front of everyone. What are we supposed to do? Say “no” and walk out in front of everyone? The amount of pressure put on you to say “yes” in that moment is so unreal. Also, in the moment, we were all believers of it. Just because you make a promise when you’re brainwashed doesn’t mean you should keep it when you’ve escaped and healed. Love how your comment is condescending btw. Way to represent your ever so “loving” cult.
It’s also beyond me that people would worship such an OCD weirdo. And NGL a bit of a perve. Nothing about the LDS God seems like a healthy, stable person.
I think this is just a big FU to the women of the church. Basically a smack down for the previous few weeks of women pushing back on instagram. The church’s response was basically saying women you aren’t doing the garment right, focus on your ineptitude and unfaithfulness. I know it affects men too but definitely affects women more.
Same thing happened with Heavenly Mother a couple years ago
YES! I remember being publicly shamed at a ward FHE activity because my bishop’s wife could see the hem of my garment peeking out under my shorts. Meanwhile the guys’ garments were easily visible under their shorts while they were playing sports nearby. I always hated the double standard that women shouldn’t allow the garment to be seen while the men made no such efforts.
Lume whole-body deodorant is headquartered in Utah, and now I’m wondering if that’s partially because so many people in Utah probably have big B.O. problems from having to wear hot, non-breathable garments in the Utah heat. (They also just came out with a line of scents for men under a different name, because we can’t expect men to buy products with a ‘feminine’ sounding name, I guess, which also tracks with Utah)
I saw the men’s lume line names and literally scoffed lol even made a comment on their ig. So typical.
it's so funny that for a split second when i saw your title of the video, I also thought the thumbnail was of you two doing the video wearing nothing but garments. LOL
then again, maybe you are?? I don't know! HAHA
Were garments a shelf breaker for anyone else? I grew up not far from the coast in California, but served my mission in the deep south. Going from temperate Coastal California to sweatbox sauna gulf coast in a shirt and tie with garments and riding a bike all day was MISERABLE. Also the fact that none of the people down there had any interest in the chuch was a complete morale killer.
Oh wow, I went from CA to the South too, can't *imagine* with not-breathable garments! Grew up diff flavor of fundie, could 💯 see that as a breaking pt.
That sounds brutal. I’ve been to Alabama a few times and you know everyone is right, it’s not the heat that, it’s the humidity.
But they did have fireflies and tornadoes.
That new talk at conference described me! Wearing my yoga pants all summer because I exercise in the morning. Then never switching. Then going through menopause and not wearing the tops all summer either. Then reading about the origins of the masonry in the garments and temple. Shelf broken! I looked at them and it just made me mad! I had been fooled for years! I had spent countless hours searching for “proper” clothes and sewing clothes and altering clothes to work for a freaking scam!
DAV???? DAV!!!!
@@SuzySylvania As an investigator, one day I saw the video by Alyssa Grenfell where she unboxed a male and a female pair of garments. The next lesson, I talked to the missionaries: "Are you guys Freemasons?" 😂
I only went 3-4 times, too. So, yeah, definitely not enough time to learn the script. In Mormon heaven, I’m relying HEAVILY on the full restoration of memory 😅
I’m a nomo, and a homo. I never even heard about the Mormon church or garments until I was 20. Our lds neighbor would come over to our totally lesbian house to smoke cigarettes and drink coffee. I was very surprised when I saw her garments, under her bra. She explained they were kinda like a wedding ring, to remind you of your vows. It definitely sparked my life long interest in the lds church. They never tried to recruit us, of course, though her daughters would take ours to their ward,and gave her a signed Book of Mormon.
This sounds like a wonderful scene from a movie! You can’t make that up❤
@@SuzySylvania it was fun. Some times she would have go with her places, the dessert bookstore or pantry. I think she liked shocking her peers.
Dav and Bethany collab?! Woo!
Disney also made Other Side of Heaven so they’ve got their connections with the Mormon church. First introduction to Anne Hathaway
I live for Banksy and Bernie's cameos
I cannot read my old journals because I sounded exactly like tanner's entry. I was writing just in case I ever got to speak in conference 😭
I was like that too! I would write to "future generations" for spiritual stuff. 😂 so cringe
When my stepbrother tried to pull me into the Mormon faith... he made me promise him that I would not Google "Mormon underwear" LOL we all see why now. You guys are awesome 😊
As someone with sensory issues who has to cut the tags off most of my clothes, I cannot fathom wearing garments every day... my heart goes out to all the neurodivergent mormons out there (for this and so many other reasons) :(
Your body really does look out for you sometimes. I’ve looked back over the years and realized my frequent “random” stomach aches happened whenever I was being coerced or emotionally manipulated. I quit going to church because I always felt like I was going to puke the whole service, and I physically and mentally couldn’t take it anymore, but I’m sure that’s *unrelated* lol
The word “loins” is featured prominently in the Mormon lexicon. 🤢🤮
Aphantasia. I have it, mostly. I can basically envision shapes and that's it.
lol sam u set up a tent for your cat? iconic
Banksy in here casually upstaging you, such cat behavior
I never had a problem with the actual temple ceremonies when I was in. I remember my first time just soaking it in and trying to connect the dots where I could. But I ALSO remember being relieved when there was no actual nakedness in the films or in the ordinances (endowed in 2015, if I'm remembering right). And I also remember half-jokingly telling my parents that "if we have to dress like this in Heaven, I don't want to go." The robe was always falling off my tiny shoulders, the nylon stockings were always itchy, and the veil tied against my glasses always made my head hurt a little. The only parts I ever loved about the temple attire were the slip and dress I got to pick out to put everything on top of.
Beyond that, I think my first time through was the only time I was ever even sort of at ease, and that was just because I knew I would have guidance and understanding as a new initiate. While the teachings didn't bother me much, I went less and less over time because, mechanically, the only part of the endowment session that didn't have me clenching my sweaty hands in anticipation of the next thing I needed to do was the Celestial Room. Even then we'd only spend a few minutes in there before leaving. Every time I exited the temple, it would feel like I could sit up straight and actually breathe fully again.
Now that I have so much more context, and I can appreciate it for what it was, both the good and the bad. It took me several months to feel okay taking off my garments, but when I finally did, I feel like I finally got a chance to just be a body for once. I'm never going back anyway, but if I did I'd be at a loss because the caranessa got too itchy and not insulating enough for me and they stopped making the dri-lux. X)
The HD is super glam. Sam is glam, Tanner is glam, and adorable ginger Banksy is glam!
My dad had an angle grinder explode in his hand while cutting with it. Part of his hand was partially severed and he got three large cuts on his chest. To this day he claims the only reason he survived is that he had his garments on.
That’s so wild, what I always find it funny that people claim god/garments/whatever saved their life, but it was god that made the angle grinder explode? It’s all just special pleading.
And how about when people actually die wearing the garments?
Why would the chest get cut then? Obviously the right answer here is a head to toe Mormon garment burkha.
I hate garments so bad! When i was first married i would sneak regular panties in my work bag and change the second i got to work then after work i would workout so i got away with only wearing them at night sometimes. Fast forward went inactive totally stopped wearing them and got divorced. After the divorce for some odd reason became active again decided to try to go back to the temple. Of course they wouldn't give me the recommend until i could wear them 24/7 🙄for couple months. I thoght surley they have improved them last 8 years. Nope nope and nope. I tired to wear them i remember going on a walk it was maybe 70 outside. I got so hot at the 3/4 miles in i literally jumped in some bushes (it was a country road) and took them off! Lol😂 i never did go back to the temple and now inactive. I enjoy my morning coffee everyday and dont worry about making it into a segregated heaven.
how does this channel not have at LEAST 200k subscribers yet .. you two have to be some of the most likable people one can come across in the internet!
Ok wow that’s so nice 🌝💜💜💜
I would buy Banksy and Bernie merch. Orange cats are my kryptonite.
Mine too!
As a Nevermo from NYC I find it amazing that the local newspaper covers this as news!
I feel like walking around in the tropics wearing garments under a shirt, tie, and dark slacks was kind of a rite of passage - so I don’t regret that as much.
The big regret I have is when I lived in SoCal as an underwater cinematographer. Weeks on boats and beaches there, Hawaii, the Bahamas, etc. and changing out of my wetsuit straight back into my garments.
When I was a Mormon yrs ago I lived in an apartment and was doing laundry I had may garments stolen and thinking back maybe it was for the best since I'm a ex Mormon and had nightmares when I wore them .
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Bahaha why would anyone steal those 😂
@@s.a.6082 That's my thoughts too haha!
I just realised that as a lifelong atheist, the feeling of getting gowned up in a cleanroom suit and walking into a food factory or empty operating theatre sounds exactly like your description of the celestial room!
Newsflash: for eternal salvation, become a maintenance electrician.
This episode made me crack up! Crazy to think how seriously I used to take everything.
omg thank you so much!!
You left out cinnamon whiskey being part of the washings. I am not kidding. I will not join the mainstream LDS Church since they dropped cinnamon whiskey.
Now that is the collaboration I'm so excited for! Your dreams of Dav are coming true ❤❤❤
Some background information on the Garments and the Temple Ceremonies:
1) The washing and anointings predate Joseph's entry into Masonry. They were practiced in the attic room of the Kirtland Temple. They involved old style tubs filled with whiskey laced perfumed water, and it was a full scrub down. Yes. The OG temple was little better than an exclusive bath house for the leadership of the church. The anointings involved a lot of oil, and people were basically greased up all over at the end.
2) Full tub Washing and Anointings continued into the Salt Lake Temple period and were replaced by the shield and dab approach either during the reforms made during the presidency of Heber C. Grant, or during the further reforms made by David O. McKay. I have seen the tubs, which were at that time still in storage in the lower levels of the temple. If I recall correctly, there were in the lower of the two underground levels. In that same room were shelves filled with pitchers and wash basins to be given to recipients of the second anointing.
3) Heber C. Grant was also the first to alter the original garment. Many argued against him doing.it. One of the seamstresses of the original garment (the OG G) was still alive and was interviewed to determine how much of the design was what Joseph asked for versus what they came up with on their own. Please note that the women (including Emma) who sewed the original garments created a piece without embedded symbols. The symbols were cut into the garment during the endowment process. Some men were left with scars on their chests from this process. As no women were endowed until Emma accepted polygamy and became the first endowed woman, none of the women could be entrusted with the symbols of the holy priesthood. After Emma was endowed, she objected to having the garment cut while on her person so loudly that she was allowed to add the symbols to the garments used for future endowments for women prior their use..
Anyway, Heber C. Grant introduced a long-john style garment with a button up drop bottom and button up front. The neck line was much lower than the original, but this new one extended to the ankles. They were made of thick cotton and were great in a cold winter, but totally unbearable in the heat. I've worn these and can attest.
4) I'm not sure when the penalties were reduced to the ones I first encountered, nor when the oath to avenge the death of Joseph Smith was removed, but I believe it was after 1956, based on my mother's initial temple experience, and so most likely came about along with the first film version under the leadership of David O. McKay. In October 1953, President McKay tasked Gordon B. Hinckley with the job of finding a way to present the endowment in multiple languages in the upcoming Swiss Temple without needing too many temple workers. Brother Hinckley came up with the idea of a film presentation with headsets playing audio in different languages at once. This initial film was made in the solemn assembly room in the Salt Lake Temple. He did get permission from Walt Disney Company to use a segment from Fantasia to present the creation. This was done with permission. The flow and content of the endowment was altered at this time to make it fit more easily with a the filmed presentation. Changes to the live endowment reflected these improvements. The first film was completed by June 1955, and was first used in the Swiss and then the New Zealand Temples. So shortly after my mother took out her endowments in 1956, the ceremony was altered everywhere else. Her second visit to the temple would not be for several years, as she served a 3.5 year mission in the far-east immediately after being endowed.
Feel free to ask any other questions you may have. I will answer what I can.
That all very interesting to know. Thank you for sharing!
Even the early changes in the garments are interesting. 😅
White Shifts were super important in Western Europe (becoming cultural “canon” by the renaissance)so it’s interesting to think about how that could have influenced even American Mormonism. A common misnomer during early colonization was that cultures that didn’t wear shifts and white under tunics were heathens and savage compared colonizers.
Fantasia is all animation. It kind of fits the bill considering how much we're conditioned by the church to have a child-like world view. Also those penalty oaths seem so worth it when the pay off is delighting in Mickey as a wizard's apprentice set to some sick classical music 🥴
My mom is out of the church now and has cut her garments into belly tank tops bc she swears they are the comfiest things to sleep in 😂 she still finesses getting new ones to cut up to wear to bed lmaoo
I was endowed in 2016 and the main thing I remember was being so anxious about not knowing what was going on. I felt so out of place and heavily relied on my grandma and mother in law to be to guide me through. I was sad that my mom and siblings weren’t with me (as they all left the church before I did) and I think that contributed to me feeling out of place. On top of it all, the veil I had on was so thick I could barely see through it which added to my disorientation.
On a side note, it’s hilarious to me that they used to use clips of Fantasia and I wonder if that’s why we watched it so much when I was a kid.
As a Brazilian nevermo, I really can't even imagine how horrible must it be wearing those everyday, going to work and walking around in 100F heat, I could never survive not being able to go sleeveless.
Se algum Br estiver lendo, as pessoas são tão rígidas com isso como em Utah? Não é possível!
Servi minha missão no Brasil. Os garments eram horríveis.
I thought about this before, when garments first came out, women were wearing a chemise (the white night gown thing) then a corset over top & in the mid 1800’s the style of dress was long sleeves & high neck so garments underneath wouldn’t of been a big deal for dress. I’m curious if Mormonism started in the early 1800’s when the dress style was an empire waist & lower cut dress if it would’ve been similar or not. Just a thought because garments matched the dress so well. Although maybe I’m giving these men too much credit that they would’ve cared at all.
1820s so yeah, makes sense. Norms have changed so much. I'm legit surprised they didn't change this like their race policies.
@OverAnalyst I mean, it still took them until the 1990s for that I think, so its actually still on brand lol
@@Moraca101 lol true 💀
Imagine undressing your partner and seeing the garments that would be an immediate turn off they look so bad
I was once told by my bishop I was “pornographic”
YIKES he was really telling on himself
Yes! When I was 14 and sitting in a young women’s class, our bishop came in and taught us a lesson for an hour where he repeatedly referred to us as “walking pornography” for the young men. Ick.
Edit to add: and he repeated told us that it was our responsibility to make sure that the young men didn’t have immoral thoughts about us. Double ick.
Garments never meant much to me. I just couldn't turn the symbolism they were assigned to actual meaning for me. The first thing i did when i realized the church wasn't true was take them off. I ended up getting some boy short underwear and a white tank top to wear to my parents' house, so it would look more like I was wearing them 😂 but then I realized that they didn't notice my second piercing in my ear that I had gotten after spending a week together so they probably weren't that observant and they probably wouldn't notice.
No mind's eye/ no visual imagination is aphantasia! I have it! I'm not lying, you are lying about seeing anything, haha! ;)
I am hyperphant and my kid is aphant. Hilarious moments in homeschool trying to describe things til we worked it out. (Then it became a hyperfixation for us for a few weeks lol) weirdly gives her ability to see *what is* not what her brain fills in. So her memory is more accurate when it comes to visual stuff
That's so cool! Does she enjoy art? That way of thinking sounds like it would be a great advantage for an artist.
I was outed for having left the church by an ex partner who posted pictures of me wearing a dress without sleeves on facebook, and my parents immediately called to ask why I wasn't wearing my garments. After that phone call with my parents they barely contacted me for a full year.
I remember a male temple worker (behind the veil) shaming me so bad for not knowing the words I ended up having a panic attack and never went back
Ughhhh 💜💜💜
I am SO glad I got out before garments oh my lordy. That would have been sensory hell and fed so much insecurity.
I'm partial to the little black cat but I'll certainly take a Banksey cameo. Thank you.
I was wondering why the vote was between Banksy and Bernie and Jack was excluded! I'm holding off on voting since I haven't met any of them in person. 😂
My poor, sweet sister is 19 and on a mission. She got her garments, and she was sad bc she's an actual petite girly. All her taller friends got petite garments to wear shorter shorts, and the petite garments gave her no wiggle room. She also got rid of lots of her old clothes that wouldn't work even tho some of them were her favorites.
I'm not sure why this popped up on my feed but I wear garments and I think they are great. Nice to see that a lot of the people in the comments here are respectful of something that I hold sacred. I appreciate everyone for being understanding of what we do. Love everyone who sees this and I wish you all the best!
So you are a Freemason then?
You guys are collabing with girl defined!! How did this happen??! This will be the highlight of the year
i liked the nostalgia moment about singing in the nursing home
I think synesthesia also has a lot to do with one’s ability to visualize! Especially with the help of 🌱 and 🍄
Another banger. Thank you both!
As a fan in San Antonio I hope y'all have a great time on Texas. be prepared for some unbearably sweltering weather and awfully designed highways ❤ (but also great street tacos)
oh yeah i thought you were supposed to wear the garment top under the bra and was constantly annoyed by my bra riding up until i made my first rebellious move and started to wear my bra under my garments. also yes that was how i kind of signaled to my MiL that we were no longer going to church because she could see that i was no longer wearing them.
Banksy and Bernie are both best boys
I would imagine that wearing those polyester play suits would be absolutely insidious after a while just the thought of having to wear those things kept me away from going to the temple. I just allowed myself to wear cotton and not take out an endowment that I felt was superfluous.
Samantha you're fine.
What you say is so much more important than how you look every moment of the waking day.
Which is great but don't worry about how great.
Couldn’t disagree more, thoughts are fleeting but physical beauty is forever
Forever? Sam is immortal???
@@3vaniamariaSam is queen Elizabeth confirmed :p
@@meganjohnson998 I love that about her ❤
I feel like the garments made more sense for women when they wore corsets and had to wear chemises underneath. Since the change from stays and corsets to bras, it's become incompatible. I wonder what the church had to say about bras at that point?
I’m sure that the men in charge sorted it all out for all the women and they didn’t need to worry their pretty little heads about it.
Well for us older people we were told bras HAD TO BE WORN.no exceptions OVER the garment and underwear could not be worn UNDER the garment..no matter what( implying that time of the month) trying to adheir to that with an a cup was a nightmare..the bras would NEVER stay in place if you were tiny on top and lets not even get into that time of the month...When we kept asking please that time of the month can't we wear under ..it was obsolutely not..if you can't manage stay home and if you any spots must change them..periods were noghtmares..all of us seceretly wore undies under and learned to just keep your mouth shut..Sheer insanity...at some point in the last 15 years the instructions changed ..they no longer pulled the instruction THAT NOTHING COULD COME BETWEEN the garment and your skin EVER! like they did to us..Know this we had much older members that became incontinent and still had leaders telling them they had to obey their temole instructions so could not wear adult incontinence products UNDER..So as carers we had huge amounts of laundry, smelly houses, damaged furniture, it was gross disgusting and vile..and carers started to say we won't come in and help..I still believe that is THE ONLY REASON why the church changed the instructions..But here is the kicker..we still have leaders and reief society presidents and bishops telling ilder people that they have to do the garments the way they were instructed in the temple and can't use the new instructions....I refused and stop taking care of my mother in law over this...and I am not the only one that have had to deal with old people and this nightmare..
@@kimberlycherrine-bell5371 I could not even imagine that it would be expected under an incontinence product. Really I would never expect that. That’s just tragic and I would think it would increase the shame that comes incontinence. So sad.
@kimberlycherrine-bell5371 omfg thats horrible i didnt consider period and incontinence products ?! Im glad people are starting to move away from those insane rules, but it's awful y'all had to go through that :(
@@AndImsomelady-fq6cwit would increase the shame, the discomfort and probably would make people even more prone to infections and such. This is absurd holy shit
Banksy is the main character
not youtube turning off my notifs for Zelph.... notifs back on!!!
the blurry cat front and center is killing me ❤
Walt Disney himself was a big fan of mark twain… who was extremely anti Mormon. Funny how the lds church got its claws into the Disney corp over time.
Yep I’ve had family feel for my garments (underwear) during hugs 😂
It’s never subtle either go straight for the sleeves
I think I remember hearing about the Fantasia thing! It’s wild
Halfway through the video and idk if you bring it up later but I thought I’d write it before I forget: Aphantasia! That’s what it’s called when a person is unable to visualize things in their mind
“In shaming cult leaders are we shaming kink” 🤣 what a line to start the video
I have veeeeeery little visual imagination. It's all words and sounds to me. Every brain works different and it's so weird to remember that even the way we imagine things is different.
One of the ladies at the care home I work at is an under the bra lady😅
@2130 There was never any direction or instruction from the LDS Church as to whether the garments were to be worn below or above bras and underwear. The fact that she shares this anecdote is proof that no one had specific instruction on this issue.
I’m glad I didn’t stick around long enough to get the endowment. I’m not sure I’d be able to wear them because I always sweat
The HD camera does make you look glum without makeup.
and still preferable to looking like you lmao
I’m in my 60s. In my teens, I heard ALL the stories about people being protected by their garmies. Burns on uncovered skin, etc. Even then, it was creepy, weird, and ridiculous to me.
Laughed so loud at Sams first words almost woke my sleeping baby
2 freaking weeks. Omg 🤯🎉 dreams really do come true!
So excited for Davathy and Bethany! Lmao
@50:54 YAAAAAAAY! THE ZELPH AND DAV/BETHANY COLLAB IS HAPPENING!!!
I think it’s interesting to hear the LDS talking bad about other religions bc those religions are not complaining, talking poorly etc. about the LDS!!
I remember the circle part of the endowment made me so uncomfortable my first time through the temple, I refused to participate in it every time I went after that. I wore garments for ten years and just took them off a month ago. Forgot how much more comfortable and convenient regular underwear is.
How you guys can live like that for such a long time. Hat offs, completelyyyyyyyyy. Oh My *****!
btw Sam I need your Tortured Poets Department takes 🙏🙏
Love how the temple endowment and the garments have no scriptural precedent AT ALL. They claim it's a restoration but the Bible describes entirely different garments and temple ceremonies. Freemasonry, on the other hand...
Great episode, ya'll!
I was endowed in 2018 and I honestly really liked garments because the ones I had were soft and cozy haha (except when the weather got hot…yikes)
It’s interesting that you talked about Fantasia being a part of the temple movie thing because the word for visualizing physical things inside a person’s mind is “phantasia”. Aphantasia is the name for when people cannot visualize things that you were trying to think of. There’s also hyperphantasia, which is extreme visualization.
Since I was curious, I just looked up the term for when people don’t have internal monologues, as in, when they think about stuff, they are not imagining a voice speaking language. That’s called anaduralia, and apparently it is linked with aphantasia.
As a person with a strong inner monologue and who can “see” pretty vivid pictures in my mind, I have a REALLY hard time conceptualizing how that even works. Especially combined! I’m a teacher and I teach a lot of creative subjects like drama and writing. I USED to say things like “just picture it in your mind and write what you see!” And I could get frustrated with students who would (from my perspective) refuse to write anything or say why. Now, I wonder if “picture it” is just something they couldn’t do and they didn’t understand what the heck I was asking of them! I try to do better these days, but there needs to be more empirical research done on what the best practices for helping students with these different cognitive styles.
If anyone who has aphantasia or anaduralia reads this, I’d love to know what strats you use to help you get your ideas on down paper!
I have aphantasia and I sorta don't understanding your last question?
If the ideas are in my head, I can write them down. If the ideas are not in my head, I can't write them down.
Since I don't picture things, I don't understand how "picturing" something is a helpful step in the process 😂
wow! what a hilariously synchronistic linguistic connection. thanks!
@@emilyboj Well, for example if I’m writing the stereotypical “my summer vacation” essay, I picture what I did over vacation in my mind, and I can kinda ‘rewatch’ my memories. It’s not exactly like a movie screen in my mind, but I can conjure images, and I use thise images to help me add details to my writing.
Or something more concrete. Let’s say, I let you examine some object, like a weird sculpture or something, for a good few minutes, but then I cover the object with a box and ask you to describe it in writing? What would your thought process be like in that situation if you aren’t remembering a visual image of the sculpture?
@@zacharycates5485 hmm okay
In the first case, I can remember what I did without seeing it in my mind. Depending on the essay requirements, I could describe the itinerary or pick a few moments and describe how they made me feel, for instance. It would perhaps be less visuals focused, but I think the essay would be just as complete as anyone else's.
In the second case, I think it would depend a lot on whether or not you told me before hand what the whole task is. Cause I could start composing my description while looking at it, and remember that plenty long enough to write it down. But if you covered it and then surprised me with instructions to describe it, I'd be at a huge disadvantage compared to those who could picture the object again. My initial reaction would probably be *PANIC* followed by resentment. I could probably describe one or two features that particularly stood out to me, but my work would be less complete.
I am interested, for those who do see in their minds, what the point is of such an exercise?
@@zacharycates5485 To be more general, I think I just naturally rank the importance of visuals lower.
I enjoy reading fiction that has a lot of clever dialogue. I remember how things make me feel more than precisely what they look like. I'd guess my spatial awareness & sense of direction are a bit above average, so that's what I rely on for anything from packing a bag to designing the layout of a room to remembering how to get somewhere. I'll only remember the colour of something in rare cases when it stands out a lot (ex: a bright blue building among a bunch of browns & greys) but I'm pretty sensitive to noises and smells.
I go both ways...Team Banksy AND Bernie
Ironically banksy is the face of the operation.
All four of you always look epic.
SO excited for your Texas trip. (Ahem signed A Texan)
Great episode. I hated wearing my garments. So hot. Especially for big busted gals. They were always getting bunched up. Yuck.