The New Victoria's Secret Model Has Down Syndrome - YMH Highlight
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Tim and Tina talk about Sofia Jirau, the first Victoria's Secret Model with Down syndrome. Are these models over-sexualized? Are people supposed to J their D to them?
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I watched an interview with her and her mental capacity is at least on par or higher than most VS models.
Agreed. 10/10 would bang for her intelligence.
and? that's what makes a super model right?
I like how your brain works
@@calvinzhobbes1977 are u srs
Just looked her up.
I couldn’t understand her, as she wasn’t speaking English, though, she seems sassy and fun.
And has killer legs.
She's always very happy and positive. She also loves firetrucks.
Omfg 😂
She just said,” I don’t think she’s the first one” hahahahaha
I died when she fucking said that loooollll
It's pretty shitty to make jokes about people with Down syndrome. I don't think there's any way around that. "These women are more attractive than I am but I'm a smart comedian so let me compare them to someone with Down syndrome and I'm doing this to insult them which means I hold those with Down syndrome in low regard AND beneath me." This is her joke...
It’s a fucking joke ya peanut calm down
@@eleventhhour5270 damn it offended you that much to the point you’re copying and pasting the same comment everywhere? Sack up buttercup
@@eleventhhour5270 sorry you feel that way, maybe you're on the wrong RUclips channel. I come here for comedy. Even if it's at the expense of a certain group. Because if I was part of the certain group they're making jokes about, I'd still laugh. As long as they were funny to me. And in this case, I found it funny. Politically correct or not.
That was a real conversation and I appreciate it.
Every person with DS I’ve known was mentally like a child. It has the feeling like they got a 15 year old to be their model. I know it’s not the same thing. Just feels wrong
15? Try 5 for Down’s syndrome. This is wrong on so many levels
@@jessedekrossic 15 is gross af to me lol I get you though. Honestly I’d say more like 5-8 but I’ve known a few that were more like young teens
“Those broads were not bright.” 😂😂
Her parents said “you know what men are going to think of you?” She said “to be my friend?”
With respect, I got very little out of this discussion. This isn’t a dating app. This isn’t porn. I’ll j my d to whatever I want without any guilt, I’m not planning a family or directly interacting with anybody. You have free reign in fantasy. On a more practical end, if she sells products she looks good in, good on her. She’s a beautiful woman.
Valid points on making sure she isn’t being taken advantage of, although I’d argue that a certain level of “daddy issues” should keep a lot of these “normal” women on the bench also. Imo, being (lack of a better term) cognitively impaired isn’t a far cry from certain psychological traumas which is common enough to be a stereotype in the industry and should be examined upon inclusion with equal care.
So the question is if one can go down on Down?
Just let me eat ya....
😂
I believe that's called downs squared.
Not without your eyes moving closer together
it "depends" on the diaper
Oh man, Norm Macdonald would have loved to see this shit.
Truth. And we'd all love to have heard what he had to say about it
That’s why they waited till he died lol
The worst part is the hypocrisy
@@brothaclutch984 You're one of those who don't own a dog house, aren't you?
@@Gameang123acdc professor, your logic is off. I’m of the heterosexual type
A disabled woman I was dating left me, so I broke her wheelchair.
Guess who came crawling back.
Gold
😆.
This is an absolute wicked joke but I love it.🤣🤣🤣
YES! When you get to hell I hope you'll do standup cause I'll be there too for laughing at this and I'll still need a laugh especially there.
💀 ☠️
hot sauce is the best
It is the best
Agreed
Enny is right! Hot sauce is the best
Hot sauce ... theeeee best
On Down syndrome girls
I saw a documentary about a Spanish man with Down syndrome studying psychology. And I worked with people with Down syndrome which had problems to dress themselves properly. They have a wide spectrum of cognitive capacity.
But is it right to sexualise someone with DS? No ones saying they are stupid
@@liverbirdxoxo1984 Yes it is, because they're people. Some having learning difficulties, that's wrong. But many do not, in which it's perfectly okay. So as long as she has the mental capacity, which many people with DS do, then it's totally fine.
yet just 1 haircut.
imagine there O face tho
@@Kelmire1 That raises the question: Should we allow "normal" people to model if they don't have the mental capacity.
Holy shit! Someone should tell Bert and set him on his modelling career.
We all know Bert would bang her.
@@nicholusbaker2830 Fuckin' right he would! And so would you! And so would I! And then we would have an existential crisis afterward. 😧🤯
@@erict149 😆 🤣
@@erict149 🤣
But this girl is actually shaped like a human. Bert? Not so much.
Christina's joke about her NOT being the first Downs model for Victoria's Secret.. LMAO 🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆
I know right? Also, Tom’s been in hot water with the Down’s advocates before. Such a supportive and co-dependant marriage 😀
caught me so off guard LMAO
Yeah first thing I thought
It's pretty shitty to make jokes about people with Down syndrome. I don't think there's any way around that. "These women are more attractive than I am but I'm a smart comedian so let me compare them to someone with Down syndrome and I'm doing this to insult them which means I hold those with Down syndrome in low regard AND beneath me." This is her joke...
@@eleventhhour5270 Ok here's your"I'm a better person than you medal".Do you feel better guy.Now quiet now so the people who don't get butt hurt over jokes can sit back and laugh at you getting back on your short bus.
Forrest Gump is different…. He was a football all-star in college, a Vietnam War hero, an international ping-pong champion, a shrimp boat captain, a rich investor in Apple, ran across the country (multiple times), honored by multiple US Presidents, influenced multiple celebrities and he’s a great Father… Jenny is the one that doesn’t deserve Forrest. Hell, name a Woman who does….
Don’t forget he taught Elvis his dance moves too
He said influenced celebrities..
I wish I could post a picture of a meme here about this. Let me put it in words:
Text: Bye Forrest, I’ll be back when you’re a shrimp billionaire and I’m a single mom with aids
And the image is Jenny giving a piece sign with her hand
That would be a funny meme. But you know damn well, that kid was 100% not his.
Jenny had cancer, right? If she had AIDS, she gave it to Forrest.
"Let's sexuallize a women with the mind of a child, and grand stand and virtue signal as the first and how awesome we are!"
-Victoria's Secret, probably
Exactly
Yeah that’s the hilarious hypocrisy.
Down Syndrome doesn't mean you have the mind of a child. Super un-woke of you to say that.
All models have the mind of a child
You would still smash
A few of the kids who were in the special ed class of students with severe learning disabilities came to my senior prom. One of the girls came up and demanded that I dance with her, so for one song I did. And I could see how happy it made her. People with disabilities are still people with human feelings and impulses - we shouldn't pity them, we should respect them by not making their existence seem like a hassle for us or a nightmare for them.
Sounds kinda like rape...
I couldn't agree more, I have a big respect for those people, I mean they really can't help who they are, that they got these "disabilities"
I don't pity them I pity those who think they are less than 'normal' ppl..
@@ryleyw3684 some aren't even disabilities. Just built different
I was in special ed and those chicks the wanted D. They're totally normal
So you're saying, she is the smartest model ever to appear in Victoria Secrets???
Are you suggesting that people with down syndrome are dumb?
@@Maddjacklee81 it’s pretty common knowledge that they lack the ability to fully develop brain function
@@Louzahsol lol
This thread 😅
kerchoo!
If she’s down… I’m down
The hire is a weird choice for all the reasons Tom and Christina highlighted. What about the decision to Photoshop her eyes closer together. It seems anti woke to Photoshop her physical symptoms of a condition they are trying to highlight, unless they are leaning into the sexualization, which is gross.
The do photoshop every other model. If they didn't do it to her pictures because she looks different because of down syndrome then they'd be treating her differently than the other models so you see the right thing to do is to photoshop her eyes closer together. Technically, they're treating her like everyone else.
Omg did they really wtf. This does raise a lot of interesting moral questions though
Tbf they could Photoshop the eyes further apart to keep it " real " 😀
Coffee all over my desk now. Thanks.
@@papagalooleo559 nah it's different. That's like photo shopping a dick out on a trans
I can’t believe they let a Puerto Rican model
I know, right? Those absolute dogs.
I don't think she's actually Puerto Rican. I didn't see a mustache.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 wait till she’s 40
There goes the neighborhood.
I laughed, but there are a ton of beautiful Puerto Ricans, I just hate the female accent especially in NY.
Bob Levy's dream girl
I just hope this girl has someone advocating for her along with advocating for herself. She could easily get taken advantage of. People with downs syndrome have dreams, passions, sexual urges, a want to be desired/loved, and all the things "normal" people feel and want to do. I'm all for it if she has someone in her corner every step of the way.
Shut up man... having down syndrome doesn't mean she totally helpless. Give her some credit
Plus this comment is just stupid. No one needs to be told that people with down syndrome have the same urges and desires as everyone else. OF COURSE THEY DO! Wtf
Someone in her corner with the keys to her bank acct.
My friends sister had DS, and every day i came home from school she just wanted to throw bricks at us...I had to walk around the block and approach my house from the opposite end of the street just to avoid her....There was no hint of her wanting to be desired/loved, she just wanted to cave our heads in...
@@bluenose7984 ••••• She sounds fun...
I love how you can always hear the producers die laughing 😂
I thought I was going crazy at first cuz I didn't know there were other people there 🤣🤣
They sound far too easily entertained.
@@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837
Why isn’t your tag about human suffering. The North Koreans living in slavery. Or the Uyghurs being slowly genocided in concentration camps, for example. Why does animal suffering bother you more?
Just asking.
@@leomulgrew1509 I can realistically influence people to consider not paying for animals to die unnecessarily, but people at large are not causing the two mistreatments of humans that you mentioned.
@@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837
Politely, I disagree. Every time we engage with the Chinese economy we are tacitly supporting the CCP, who are directly responsible for the two atrocities I mentioned (& others).
If a critical mass of people drastically changed their habits, & educated themselves about totalitarian regimes, that regime could definitely be brought down, or at worst bullied into change.
Hell, a single book - gulag, played a major part in bringing the Soviet Union down.
I believe that there is enough evidence to suggest we could realistically stop the atrocities I mentioned within our lifetimes. Politely, more evidence than we could alter the diet of billions of people.
No hate, I’m glad people like u are out there doing what u believe is right.
I’m just morbidly fascinated as to why people seem more distressed by animal suffering, than by the human suffering happening right now..
Christina muttering "i just dont fucking get it" under her breath is the most relatable thing ive ever heard
She really doesn't understand anything above 2+2
The one VS model i might actually have a shot with
😂😂😂💀💀
This hurt me to laugh 😂
I don't think you'll like your odds. Haha
Do you have Legos? If yes, you have a shot.
Why? Do you also have down syndrome?
Don’t know how I feel about this. I will say that they found the least “downs” looking person I’ve ever seen. She is a very pretty young girl, but what parent wants or lets their mentally handicapped daughter enter this kind of career. It’s hard enough to navigate it without being sexually assaulted when you do have all of your faculties about you. Something does seem off about this?!…hmm
They photoshopped her eyes closer together
Without the make-up and photoshopping she'd look like a pug. Let's be honest here.
I love how you just assume that every single model ever is sexually assaulted 😂 I gaurantee you this woman is being well looked after, stop assuming that she'll be sexually assaulted purely bc you think she's incapable
@@yesdude3914 still a developmentally disabled person being sexualized. a child in an adult body!!!! I think your little FGTRTD outrage is misdirected.
@@yesdude3914 I think if you had every female model ever take a poll on whether or not they’ve felt extremely uncomfortable or have been sexually assaulted I’d be willing to bet %75 have at least.
I get what you’re saying but let’s be honest this kind of business is gross in that sense and nobody says anything until someone like Harvey Weinstein is put on blast then everybody speaks up
I was a hispanic kid who watched Samurai movies. I always wanted to be like them in the movies. Never occurred to me as a kid that I had to look like them too.
Exactly, just because a character isn’t white doesn’t mean I can’t connect. It’s all so stupid
There's different levels of Down Syndrome, she most likely is very high functioning. There are some people with DS that can take care of themselves and live on their own, the only difference might be some physical differences.
Bro her comments were so ignorant, it made my fucking head spin. Like yes it’s a conversation but she didn’t need to be so committed to that ignorance lol tom at least was a little more delicate but she straight up is acting like people with disabilities can’t do anything for themselves. Ick
@@partiallyhealedsunburn1881 Yeah, I hate people like that. I have a physical disability but I work full time, own my own home and do my own yard work. I'm sure this girl is perfectly capable of taking care of herself.
@@mollynash2597 Yeah, they each made some poorly thought out and insensitive comments. I think a big problem was that it took a serious issue about sexual consent and morality and immediately turned into a crass bit that made a lot of assumptions and (ironically, considering the worry about objectifying the girl) and spoke about her in a way that implied she was less than a person.
Whether or not someone with an intellectual disability can consent or not or if it's immoral to have casual sex or hook up with them are interesting questions though; especially when society tends to take it for granted that people with intellectual disabilities still have sex drives.
She isn't that high functioning. She's fucked bruh. They put on so much make up and do a lot of touch up afterwards.
There are people with Down Syndrome with above average intelligence and some even in the gifted range. People need to be aware of this.
For the swimsuit spread they had her wear a life jacket and water-weenies
Ahahahahahahqhhhahahahahaa
Missed opportunity if they don't
@@erict149 lol
@@erict149 holy shit bro
The way Tina refers to other women, just because she judges what they do for their job, is gross. Jokes about other women's intelligence because of their career is so weird. People with down syndrom are adults. They have lives. Love lives. Sex lives. She has an extra chromosome, she is not a child.
All jokes aside, i hope she has good people in her life. She seriously needs protected
*protection/to be protected
@@Ultamami Thanks, Mr. Pliskin. I'll make sure to get it right on the test.
@@Ultamami shut up
Why? She's just as capable! Why should she be exploited any less? That's called discrimination.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 No she isn't, she is disabled and that's a fact. Doesn't mean she has to die alone in a hole. But if you gonna sexualize her and use her as a product ( as you said, everybody else is exploited so fair game ), at least she needs to know what is up and more importantly, THE PUBLIC ( CUSTOMERS ) too. If she has only physical symptoms and she is a functioning 24 yo woman then i have no problem. If she is a 7yo mind in a 24yo body and is being used for this type of work by her guardians and companies, we're way beyond sexualization and deep into child exploitation, that's the big deal here.
People with Down Syndrome normally get a full psychological evaluation that includes an assessment of decision-making-capacity and consent capacity. This evaluation determines the level of independence they can have to make decisions such as medical treatment, reproduction, relationships, work (modeling for Victoria’s Secret), etc.
I’m a big fan of you guys, keep it up! ❤️
My wife worked with developmentally and physically disabled for some time. You are right on the money. She can't do anything that's outside her capacity.
My 29 year-old brother with DS has never received that evaluation. Is that something when they don't have a guardian, their parents die, etc.?
Touch my hot sauce through the fence my baby.
Shut the fuck up Chomo, follow Proto.
@@williambartholmey5946 Not necessarily. Sometimes there might be a conflict between the patient's and their guardian's wishes. In that case, an assessment of capacity can be performed to determine the level of understanding that the patient has. I am not sure whether this is absolutely needed for all the people with Down Syndrome but I do know it is an available tool and I personally would like to provide my family member the opportunity to choose within their competence. I am a physician but this is not my area of expertise, I hope my answer helped a little. Best wishes :)
The most ridiculous yet somehow totally necessary discussion.
The thing is, with down syndrome most of us feel a bit like, it's the wonderful mind of a child but permanently.
So it feels similar to sexualized children. It's uncomfortable. I don't really know what to think of it.
Of course she has the right to do what she wants like everyone else.
In any other context you would never sexualize someone with down's in the same way you wouldn't with a child unless you got something going on up there.
It's a strangely conflicting feeling.
That said, you guys in the comments ain't got a shot with this girl. Lmao get ready for some awkward rejections.
Yeah, except that’s a common misconception and isn’t true, they just mature later. People need to look in to the different kinds of it before making assumptions lol
I have a box of Legos and some Gogurt. I think I got a shot.
I completely understand why it feels uncomfortable to sexualize mentally handicapped adults...but we have to understand that many of mentally handicapped folks are in touch with there sexuality and do indeed have sex themselves. So I mean...
@@Phogramo I think, without trying to be diminishing, it is fair to say that it's not quite the same.
And as such the concern remains at the very least partially. Especially since not all people are the same.
There are good reasons that we help people with this neurodivergence, and the help doesn't necessarily stop at any particular age.
@@lazyblazer Oh absolutely. I'm not exactly against her being a model, not in the least. I'm just trying to put my feelings into words somehow to process them.
I mean how would I feel if someone without any "major" neurodivergence were to sleep with someone with down syndrome? I think quite genuinely I would feel like there was a level of someone being taken advantage of. It's hard to shake that feeling even though I want everyone to be able to lead lives according to their wishes.
I showed this to my mom and she goes “she’s really funny and talks really well for having Down’s syndrome” and I realized she thought Tom was interviewing the model and I was like MOM THAT’S HIS WIFE CHRISTINA and she goes WELL I DON’T KNOW 😂😂
Christina coming in hot throwing blows right off the bat lmao.
"I don't think she's the first downs model right? Those broads are kind of not right." So so savage on both sides of the aisle.
She just leveled uuuuuuppp!!! Lol
@@MrSlayer6 Savage??? That’s damn Savage? Make fun of special needs makes here f’n savage to you??
Good grief that’s absolutely pitiful of you and sad. Thank God she isn’t the parent of a special needs child or you too Jason. Think if your son was or daughter little man. Zero respect for folks like you. Proud Dad of a non verbal Down Syndrome/Autistic son. Shame on you. Little little man!!
Btw love comedy and can take a joke with the best of them. But when it comes to the special needs community, hell NO! If you can that’s on you and Miss Savage. Pitiful absolutely Pitiful Kevin. Especially as a damn man.
Could you imagine telling everyone you're dating a Victoria Secret model
LMAO my brother. Well played.
And then having to pick her up at the ball pit
im fucking crying, that was great
@@dandansen4261 that's funny
Edit: I just imagine someone helping her out of it and both of them struggling.
Now everyone will say, you’re suspect , wait a minute!! Which one ?
"What's her name... Blossom Mayam... Mayam Bollack?"
That's why I watch this show.
It's also ridiculous how people assume people with disabilities are somehow supposed to be ugly. As if we can't be attractive because we have disabilities. People are actually surprised when you're not some monstrosity.
Tbh i never gave it that much thought but the word disabled implies unattractive when we shouldn't connect the two. Good point
@@adamholt09 There's also a stigma among "normal" people that anyone who's disabled but looks "normal" is somehow a liar and faking their illnesses. Mental disabilities aren't always going to show up in an outward appearance the same way a wheelchair or missing limbs would. Some physical ones don't show outwardly either but will manifest when a person is doing tasks or other physical activities. The old adage of "don't judge a book by it's cover" applies.
That's just human nature. You don't see species mating with the mutated one in the herd
I'm not a model, but I'm not ugly. Nobody ever believes me when I say I'm disabled due to spina bifida oculta (and other things), until I raise my shirt up and you can see the scars from the 70+ surgeries I've had in my 36 years. Everything tends to carry a stigma attached, with disabilities it's disabled = disfigured.
"People who have disabilities" is such a broad category as to almost be meaningless.
I'm not an expert but there is a spectrum to Down's, depending on what part of one of the chromosome number 21 and how much of it is is double, etc. Just by her facial features it looks like she has a less severe case. It must be frustrating for people in her situation if they are independent and intelligent. I'm sure they want to be able to have a relationship with "normal" people too and not just other people with similar disabilities. But I too doubt that she is aware that there is more to this than just some innocent underwear photos. Pretty weird on VS's part and they know full well that it will be hard to say anything against it without coming off as a patronising ableist bigot and what-have-you, even though their motif really IS rather questionable
There is no spectrum to Down's Syndrome.
@@LateTeens709 My husband works in a facility that supports people of various genetic defects and deviations, including people with Down's syndrome. And though they all have certain typical characteristics in common, the degrees in which those manifest can vary drastically. There are those few on the upper extreme that manage to go to college, and there are those on the lower end that aren't even able to speak or do even the simplest tasks on their own. So yeah, there is indeed a spectrum to Down's.
That being said, I agree almost completely with Tom and Tina in this particular case.
@@durchhalter My daughter has down syndrome. There is NO spectrum. Someone with Down's who you might perceive as "having it worse than others" most likely has a dual diagnosis of Down's and Autism (Which has a spectrum).
You either have Down's syndrome or you do not. That's all there is to it.
@@LateTeens709 I get what you are saying and the “spectrum” for downs people vary greatly in “function ability.” For example, my older brother has Downs and he is high function, goes to work, makes dinner, talks to his friends/family on the phone while I have also seen downs people that can’t tie a show or carry a conversation.
@@LateTeens709 there are different types of mutations that all fall under Down's syndrome. You could have part of a third copy of chromosome 21 translocate to chromosome 14 and bind to that, you could have trisomy only in some cells but not in others (mosaicism), etc etc. All that shows itself in the form of varying degrees of disability, that's why I said "spectrum". It might not be defined as being a spectrum, but there sure as hell are people with Down's that have it worse because of these different causes for their trisomy 21
Honestly the more I watch these people the more I start to realize that they aren’t actually good people just some judgmental snobby comedians, I mean if you count Christina as a comedian…
I think Christina is jealous that the little goofball is hotter than her 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
😂
I worked with people with down syndrome who were in their late 40's and as mature as they might look, mentally I wouldn't put them past 10-12 years old maybe, I mean, we had to help them count coins so they could buy a pack of crisps or a can of coke. So knowing how predatory and sexualized the modelling industry is, there is nothing "woke" or "inclusive" about this. It reminds me of that video where these people thought they were saving this tortoise by throwing it into the lake, not knowing that a tortoise and a turtle are not the same thing, "but its close enough".
The industry is the same regardless. the problem is glorifying mental defects. Encouraging these people to breed is dangerous. Nature rejects defects for a reason. Animals reject defects 100% of the time. The world does not need another defective brain breeding. overpopulation is already the biggest issue. We dont need sick/defective people breeding.
They don't all have the same mentality and throwing a blanket statement out like all people with Down syndrome have the mentality of a child is extremely offensive. For some it's just a physical disfigurement it's not always an extreme mental disorder.
@@brian6391 never said all people with down syndrome are like that, but the ones I worked with, you're just trying to find something to get triggered about. Besides, if someone with predatory intentions was to take advantage of someone with DS, their narrative would fit yours here, trying to justify your actions.
@@Wakshak321 So now you're calling me a predator haha? I doubt you've actually worked with disabled people like you claim you sound like someone hiding something.
@@brian6391 sure buddy, because I'm the one being upset over a comment thats actually concerned about a predatory industry and intellectual disability, saying how not all people with down syndrome are intellectually impaired like anyone claimed otherwise... Get a life maybe instead of looking for things on the internet to get offended by needlessly
This discussion was very important but it also has me in tears LMAO.
Here's another thing to think about. What if a sex tape leaked? Lmfao. Who do you think would address the issue? You know 90% of men would break their keyboards Googling for it so hard lol.
@@cc-vd3oq ion know fam...ion know lol
@@offworld_coop you know you would and so do i
He’s someone that still uses the r word. He should just shut the fuck up about this one
I totally get their point, however as a speech therapist (just based on my degree/knowledge) I am sure they have done many and frequent IQ tests throughout her life and likely now scores within the normal range for her age. I am sure she provided consent. If her IQ was 70 or below, I doubt they would allow her to consent, although they may have allowed the parents/guardian/proxy to do so.
Great so I’m clear for takeoff then?
/s
If Miss Carolina in Miss Teen USA 2007 could consent, this gal can definitely consent 😜
@@mysteriousbeaver666 thats a cursed comment if I ever saw one lmao
As someone that spent years as a social worker...this is completely disgusting in every way.
I’m a behavior analyst that works with adults with disabilities and a huge problem is that we neglect to teach these men and women about sexuality and romantic relationships. I love that she is embracing her sexuality to some degree and I hope that she has a support system around her to safely navigate bring a public figure 😊
i love when the crew laugh in the back, it always crack me up 😂
Whoever manages that girl is definitely taking advantage of her.
Let's hope not. But sadly, it's probably true. 😕
Managers take advantage of everyone
Kinda like Biden👩🦲🔌🥔
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She’s a productive member of society when she might have just been the punchline of a joke. Hats off to her.
"Productive"
Yeah productive isn’t something I’d use to describe modeling
Doesn't down syndrome have a wide spectrum like pretty much every other condition? From Sofia's inverviews it seems that she isn't a very harsh case. She understands all the questions asked and answers as you would expect from most "normal" people.
exactly, I noticed that too. People seem to lump everyone together and everyone is unique and has varying mental capacity. Hers seems to be pretty high. She also works out a lot! *Most, are wired different and have physical limitations butvagain, she seems to not fit the mold and while on the small side, she is in great shape!
Most people write the questions themselves and practice before filming so you never know
So we can J our Ds to her then.
Tom wanted to laugh so badly when she said
“She’s Puerto Rican”
🤣🤣🤣
ROFL im half Puerto Rican, and for some reason whenever I hear something called Puerto Rican idk why I just want to laugh
her being puerto rican is pretty hilarious.
Why is it funny?
@@Jan-ce4zo I'm Puerto Rican and it's such a PR thing for the first Victoria's Secret model to be Puerto Rican. I can imagine a family going "But she has her disabilities" and someone going "Pero mira la tetas"
I'm really curious whether this "inclusion" thing is actually pumping up sales or if they're just doing it for clout points.
This is just opening doors.
Can’t wait to see Mike Bocchetti show up in Men’s Health.
Haha.. If people who don't know Mike could see pic of him, ur comment would already have tons likes.
😂🤣😂🤣😂 too fucking good
I would rather see him as a news caster
Top shelf comment, Mr.Jacks
Bread is the enemy, art!
I was talking to my grandma about Jamie Oliver once. She said “Oh, the chef that’s a chromosome away from Down syndrome” 😶
That's literally almost everyone? Most people have 23 pairs of chromosomes, so 46 total. People with downs have 47, because they have 1 extra copy.
Noooo! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree ☝️ 😂
I understand that feeling. It feels wrong because we view her as innocent. It’s similar to viewing her as a child and how we would feel if a 14 year old girl was suddenly modeling lingerie.
With an average IQ of less than half an unaffected person, it would appear to be exploitation considering the complexity of the contract that she no doubt signed. Most people with an IQ of 100 would have difficulty understanding a corporate media contract, let alone an individual with half that.
@dick trickle what? You know people with downs have low IQ right? Usually it's between 30 and 50 points lower than average.
“ The average intelligence quotient (IQ) of children with DS is around 50, ranging between 30 and 70.”
Tell me, would it have been wrong to fuck the girl with Down syndrome at my high school? The one who struggled to do basic tasks and control her emotions/behaviors? Some of these people don’t have a great grasp on things, yet you guys seem to want to make it acceptable to sexualize them? You know who else has reduced mental capabilities? Women who are drunk/on drugs, and it’s considered rape to do anything with them obviously. I think it’s a bad idea to start sexualizing people with Down syndrome, I don’t mind normal modeling but the idea is that you want to fuck them. Imagine a young kid sees this, and goes and takes advantage of the girl with Down syndrome at school because he doesn’t know any better. That’s the type of shit that would happen, because if you just sexualize them without first talking about this then people are going to assume it’s ok in all cases. We probably need to have tests to determine if they can consent to these type of things, like how there’s probably ways they stay under guardianship if they aren’t capable of making decisions for themselves as an adult.
That’s why people hire lawyers
Exactly, so why does it matter if she understands it? “Normies” can’t! Anybody getting involved with a big contract like that would have a trusted lawyer/agent review it.
@@christophercollins3632 It's the intent of the organization. Knowingly entering into a contract with someone of diminished intellectual capacity is predatory. The situation is compounded when it is in an industry that is based on exploiting people for their looks.
If they truly are inclusive or woke about this. They wouldn't even mention she has downs. The way we should of found out is that she tells us later on.
Yea we definitely wouldn't be able to tell by looking at her
@@alexlifeson6264 i get that u can I'm not trying to be woke. Just saying I'm sure as soon as they hired her they were posting it and calling for interviews.
Its funny how the unwoke try to tell the woke they aren’t woke enough,which is suposed to “backfire” and prove that wokeness is the problem. I don’t quite have it figured out but i guess Woke is bad, anti woke is also bad, and half woke is the worst? I don’t know
@@Ottophil I'm suing you for giving me a brain aneurysm. You will receive a court summons shortly.
Honestly it's a woke off. You can never be woke enough for modern culture. Personally i just be myself brutally honest and straight to the point. Fuck em all left, right, middle. They say it will get to point if your white and straight u can only live in a box underground without talking.
Yes, most men would pass this woman by regardless of her body. We (all people not just men) are genetically predisposed to pass on potential mates who have obvious issues. I imagine most men who usually enjoy a nice bust and good curves on a woman had the same reaction.
"Most men" is not the concern.
Fool, most men would not "pass this women by".
Most men are also predisposed to be afraid of getting caught fucking someone with DS. If they were on a deserted island alone with her and could know for a fact no one would ever find out, however, the numbers would change dramatically I suspect (though I'm not sure that it would be such an indefensibly unethical thing to do).
They wiped 50% of the DS look with photoshop on that pic tho
Definitely *not* the first time they’ve had to cover all unused power outlets at a Victoria’s Secret photo shoot ☝️
Weird she doesn’t have a helmet indent on her hair.
Hold up - If a developmentally delayed person, who is an adult, wants to get a P in their V, is it ethically okay to tell them they're not capable of making that decision? Life's been hard enough, kinda feels like you're kicking someone when they're already down(s).
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“P in their V” -Steve P.
chloroform or ghb does wonders to help a... developmentally delayed.. (person) to go along with anything
Sofia is quite high functioning. Definitely at J to D level functioning.
So she can make porn? Cool. Where's that OF account at?
Her vagina ain't handicapped.
I'd hit it just for the story.
Some sick fucks out here.
Tad, can you even J your own D? T my C through the F
When Tina said "put loads in her" I was like damn Tina I love the way u think.....HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I love a good Wokeness Paradox. 😆
the best thing about Segura's clips and videos is the guy laughing his lungs out, whoever that is, you're laugh is a representation of us all!!
my favourite thing on this. always keep that man within range of a mic. its awesome
Remember when Jenny gave Forrest a wristy and we all laughed?
She did more than that ..... remember the kid in the end is his.......
So she claimed. That hoe was sleeping with everyone and only came home to Forrest after he became a millionaire and she had AIDS.
We have the Forrest gump fan club
@@bmphil3400 Then he asked if the kid was “like him” so he did have some self awareness of how he was
@@alice5515 he was at the top of the spectrum.....his mother had to bone the principal to get the numbers fudged so he stayed in public school.....
She don’t have Downs, that’s just how Peurto Rican woman talk
Christina almost read the quote in a Downs accent, then reeled it back.
🤣
I'd bet actual money Sofia is funnier than Christina.
@@idkmybffjv Christina is really not funny.
she's not very nice
My adult friend has a birthday party at the waterslides. A few years ago there was a mentally handicapped woman with a body that was unreal, it was unbelievable. Mind boggling. She had two male family members as bodyguards. God bless em.
It was very confusing.
Life is weird
Yea I bet they guarded her body very well 😂
I dont think God ever prepared us for these kinds of discussions
Its so difficult to phrase such things that I found myself unable to express what was wrong and ended up waiting for Tom to explain it to me. And he did it spot on. This is weird.
@@tapset and hot sause is the best.
It's so sad that she feels like it's a genuine accomplishment but she's actually being used as a token
If they could bring this debate to the Supreme Court ASAP that would be great because some of us are out here struggling.
Struggling to not j your d?
the thing is that even though she has downs. shes still the best looking version of a person with downs
Just like plus size models. They're still the best looking/conventionally attractive versions of fat people.
EXACTLY. Like, THIS ain’t the norm for the shit. Lmao
I think they’re saying that to put someone in that position welcomes danger to her. As a human being.
i completely disagree with your initial premise that "inclusion is important" becuause kids will think "oh i can do that", "because they see themselves representative".
maybe inclusion is important, when youre kids. but dont teach your kids that group identity is the most important factor when valuing someone.
im a typical scandinavian and a lot of my childhood heroes dont at all share my ethnicity or in some cases gender and the same goes for exactly all of my friends, no one ever said "oh well we cant do that because that guy is black".
i think youre being weak, i also think that line of thinking: that individual value comes secondary, is evil.
If she has capacity, good for her. We, disabled people just want to be allowed the same opportunities as everyone else.
Are you willing to climb the same ladder to success?
@@Ryfinius if they had to climb the same ladder they wouldnt have any opportunities let be honest 💀
Man I’m a big fan of the show but this segment feels mean. They start to lose me when they make fun of mentally challenged people - I know it’s a joke and I’ll be called easily offended but I just can’t see the humor in it
Well, I can imagine guys all over the world just covering up her face and continuing with whatever they normally do with those magazines.. :p
Are there any trans VS models? Maybe a quadriplegic? A midget or a giant? Thatd be funny if there's just a dog and they say it identifies as a woman so there's a VS dog model now. Or an alien.
Or a fish
I want the pointy headz...you don't see them anymore
Illegal Alien....then have a contest... winner gets citizenship
I want a model they had to cut a wall out of their house to get em out... fuck yeah
My favorite part is the background laughter. Makes me feel like I have a friend laughing with me.
All I have to say is for one.. I'm actually kinda proud of yall for pausing to think about it.. but not every person with down syndrome is the same.. gotta take it case by case basis.. just like you would anyone else on earth.. I would also CHALLENGE you to meet some adults with down syndrome and talk to them.. and you'll realize.. they like sex too.. lol
Well can it just be said that people with disabilities are still people, a decent amount of disabled individuals are able to consent and actively have sex so it shouldn't be so outlandish that their expressing their sexuality like everyone else.
Keep that energy when a guy who doesnt have downs is her “coworker” on a downs onlyfans page
@@Suhmstank @SuhmStank 420 this might sounds crazy but people with disabilities aren't children and deserve to be treated like the rest of us. There's nothing wrong with a woman with downs being with a neurotypical man. It's also important to point out that a model with downs is more beneficial to young girls with that same disability rather than people using her as Jack off material. Both are fine but she's not just there for you👍
Idk man. This seems wrong. And I seriously question any normal guy who's attracted to her and this. Seems akin to being attracted to a child.
When Tom said genetic freak… I didn’t think he was going the way he went with it. I’m proud of him- was expecting some BIG WORDS
Same 🤣🤣🤣
lolllllll
let's be honest, she has a smoking body and is quite pretty. It's very confusing.
Hey, you gotta remember, its true these girls are beautiful beyond reach, but thier job is is to be a walking coat hanger! Thats all they really are a device to drape some clothing on and show that clothing off!
There, I put it in perspective for you, your welcome... now go about your day.
She's good looking. As far as her mental capacity goes, it's hard to care, since we all know VS never cared. So good for her.
The first time I ever j’d my d was when I saw a VS catalog in our mail. I would then get the mail everyday, and if there was a catalog, that shit would not make it to my mom and sisters until at LEAST 3 days after it actually came in. It’s kind of uncomfortable to think about a kid having that same experience today, but the model they’re throwin ropes to has downs.
Idk what country you're in, but if you have internet, none of them kids are taking a second glance at mail catalogs.
J'd yer d, huh?
Ropes?
Somehow that just doesn't seen possible.
@@acb9896 It doesn’t seem possible that you were the one in a million sperm that made it either, yet here we are
Did your mother wonder why all the pages were stuck together ?
Youd come for the mail and then you would hand your mail that you came in
She's not a girl, she's a woman. Adults with developmental disabilities have sex lives. Don't assume that she isn't mature or is 'diminished' or doesn't understand. Down syndrome spectrum is so vast, sometimes you can't tell, sometimes the physical features give it away more than behavior.
Tom’s facepalm made my day hahahaha
So I worked with those with Mild through severe mental (R).
I use the R because I know some people like to be offended by whats been a medical term for basically forever and cant not think of it like a child.
Moving on....I have also worked in the past with several individuals with Down syndrome and will say that within that category there is actually a large contrast in mental ability.
So while I would say that some in that group certainly could never truly understand a decision this girl has decided to make others in the group absolutely can.
I suspect she likely has above a 70 Iq if tested (The avg being mid 50) and the general pop Iq being about 100.
Ill just say this....I have seen those with Down SYndrome preplan ahead and devise strategies to manipulate those around them....I have also helped one individual pass their GED.
If they can do that...she can make the decision to be a model.
There are down syndrome couples who are married and shocker....yes they have sex.
That isnt everyone....but with relatively low supervision many can live fairly normal lives like the rest of us.
Many cant also....its on a case by case basis.
So, like spectrums? Make sense. Not too far off from autism
In all fairness, you're posting this on a channel that has 'FGTRTD' prominently in the background... but if you did use the word, youtube probably would have shadowbanned your comment to the very back of the comments, so there's that.
You use the R word.
I say use it. It's the correct medical term. I think if you start to curtail the usage of the proper term it gives them the illusion of being right and making others think its wrong to say it. Besides that good points
The phrase "Mentally Retarded" hasn't been used as a medical term in... well... forever!... but, sure! Let's pretend that it has been to justify our complete inability to change our language and grow as human beings. How hard is it to say "Intellectual Disability"? Too many syllables for you? How long has it been since you even had a job in the field? Because as a DSP and RBT, the latter of which requires a very specific set of terms to be used, I would at the very least suffer disciplinary actions for uttering that phrase. I have read and written many an IEP, IPP, Medication Administration Record, you fucking name it, and not a single time have I seen the phrase "Mentally Retarded." Not. Once.
I dont know what point Christina is looking to make with this new model being Puerto Rican. Almost all of the other VS models are Brazilian haha
It's a "we can't be honest about what this company really is, the original softcore porn, we're going to cross the line of morality (it''s so blurry in our society no wonder no one knows where it is) in the hopes it will garner more support from the mob of the moment" moment.
The Sears catalogue would probably be the og.
Until I'm corrected by the internet as well
@@TCrob sears had images similar to these with underwear models for sure but not exclusively these images like VS is and they weren't overtly selling "sex"
Nadav's death rattle of a laugh in the background makes this show for me
So many patronising comments from low-functioning "normal" people...
It's all about the ability to give consent which is a whole nother can o worms
To be fair I’m sure she has a higher IQ than many of the other Victoria’s Secret models.
yeah thats because most of the models are under 18
Idk what the bigger handicap is. Having downs or being Puerto Rican
She's probably one of the smarter models.
ahhahahha
Splendid comment!
probably most bangable too
9:04 There are times where I think Tom's arm hair is a tattoo and I try to read it