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Is no one gonna mention how hypocritical it was to say dogpack was a bad person for releasing a recording of someone without their consent while in the same video releasing a recording of someone getting fired without their consent
@@MaomaomahuI’m honestly very skeptical about if it’s real or not. In the very beginning of this mess there was something about how the Beast team was going to try and make Dawson out to be a disgruntled ex-employee who’s also a Mr. Beast superfan
agree, but if it is a recording by the company's HR during a firing, I think it's a different case specially if the recording was disclosed to the person (which I think is the case).
I'm all for a RUclips mudslinging match; I'd just rather it was between channels I actually watch rather than these vain career RUclipsrs. I wanna see a fight between FranLab, Doug DeMuro, BigClive, Mat from Techmoan, Alec from Technology Connections, AvE, Colin Furze, etc.
I love your take Cam, but Oompa could’ve gone in so much harder with follow up questions and really pushed him. I can’t help thinking Mr Beast took the interview with Oompa because he knew he wouldn’t be grilled, rather than someone like Coffeezilla, who would definitely have questioned Jimmy harder
Yeah I like oompa and was hoping he’d have a back and forth with jimmy but all he really did was ask a question then let jimmy answer it and instantly move on to the next one, there wasn’t really any questioning of jimmy’s answers it’s he just sorta took them all at face value. Glad oompa made the video and props to him for that at all but it could have been done a lot better and more of a debate and discussion oppose to letting jimmy put his feet up and control the most of it.
REAL! Adam McIntyre had some good thoughts on the video and pointed out how Oompa was so much more passive than someone like Coffee would be. Oompa really didnt press him but i mean the situation he was put in ie. Jimmy coming to his house, sat opposite him, it must have been intimidating and i think thats Jimmy's tactic, undermine and intimidate and then bring his lawyers in to enforce it.
Sleep deprivation is considered torture, which is why it is considered a war crime. That's why having the lights on 24 hours was a big criticism for the migrant detention in the US
@ so is mr beast? Just because the person calling you out is malicious doesn’t mean the points made aren’t true or valid, you focusing on dog pack is literally what the mr beast PR team wants so you’ll forget all the bad stuff he’s actually done it’s a basic smoke screen strategy.
@@redwiltshire1816 Only reason I bring this up is everyone on earth was glazing clear biased liar DogPack for 3 months, only a few people were calling him out (to pushback, I might add). Bro just threw every false allegation at the wall and hoped some of it stuck. He used "anonymous" sources, lied about his employment to garner false credibility, twisted facts, and straight up made things up entirely, and much more - all the while people swallowed it down without question. But as soon as Mr Beast speaks, all while many long-believed claims are vindicated (like Feastables labour and many more), and his employees give first hand accounts which show the other side of various claims, suddenly everyone learns the word bias and becomes a hardcore sceptic. Kinda sus.
@ his employees gave first hand accounts? You mean the video that was clearly biased given one half of the interview was just calling random people and making fun of him (with zero push back from the interview) or how one of the employees kept saying “I’m a woman so mr beat can’t do anything wrong” even tho multiple contestants came out and spoke about the mistreatment first hand. You talk about bias while being bias, also people did push back dog pack multiple people defending jimmy (e.g Ludwig) also every dram channel is biased they aren’t professionals or even licensed
I just found it weird how apparently no-one else has been able to sit down with Beast employees and get an inside scoop but the one person who has been allowed access also has a video that is being endorsed and actively promoted by Mr Beast. Beast sliding into reactionary/tea channels dms is also dodgy to me I don't fwi at all. I don't understand what is so special about soggy that employees all of a sudden, after being SILENT to everyone else for the majority of the "exposè", decide to come out and speak apparently of their own will about a situation I'm assuming they were briefed on. Side note: I personally have never met a single person who doesn't have at least ONE bad or negative thing to say about their workplace or their boss
well the being endorsed by the mrbeast doesn't mean anything if u say something I like of course I'm going to say go talk to kyla also I don't know a lot about the situation but have others even tried to talk to the other employees because dogpack talked to some
To play devil's advocate for just a moment it may be the case that most requests for employee interviews were done during the investigation and only after the investigation had conculded they could say stuff. Though I do think it is awfully convenient myself.
@@jammyman7085 See I considered this too but thought its still dodgy and I'll take anything the staff members are saying with a pinch of salt as, once again, I assume they are still employed and I think that has to influence what you are willing to say on camera about a situation. also thankyou for a constructive reply, this is different from my usual experience
Apparently some people are also being paid by Mr Beast to react to that video? I’m not sure how true that statement is, but I’ve seen it said quite a lot now.
Glad you mentioned that soggy cereal also uses some of the same manipulative tactics that dogpack did. It doesnt invalidate all of his points but hes definitely not without bias or ulterior motives. Just like dogpacks points arent all entirely invalid just because he has bias and ultierior motives.
You are actually the most genuine youtuber i watch. I love how no matter what others are saying, you always state your own opinion while still being mindful and respectful. Its so nice to see such a kind guy who is just being himself on here. Hope your having a good week!
Genuinely only watched this because Cam was covering it, I couldn't care less about Mr Beast. This whole "Soggy Situation' (I literally cannot believe that's a thing) just reeks of inside job propaganda. Like how did he get access to all off the internal documents and secret recording of DogPack's firing? The pretending to give a balanced look at both DogPack and mr beast while completely ragging on only one of them right from the beginning really set the tone of his video I think. Also, if Soggy can go to North Carolina to interview Mr Beast staff, surely he can organise a few Zoom meetings with people who know about crypto. Like it's just so obviously biased it's doing my head in lol!
i've never been so confused, i was half way through the first video and all of a sudden the video wasn't playing and genuinely thought my ipad crashed for a sec
12:20 everyone they mentioned the “war crime” not as fact but as a point of reference to make a point of how horrendous it is. Listen to the way this information is given to you. It’s like an analogy. It’s so bad it’s borderline a crime.
I think that the complaint to the FBI is perfectly valid, these people were sharing pictures that they thought protrayed minors. How is that not something worthy of informing? There's a clear line being crossed.
3:29 i just wanted to give Cam some credit here. Having a multi multi millionaire send you a DM and having the most unbothered, unwavering reaction is so admirable. Just goes to show how real you and your content is 🎉❤
Jake's tone sounded like he meant the war crime thing as a joke as well. He gets very upset during the interview especially when talking about the black coworker friend who was paid less than him despite having a family, and how Jake ended up getting both of them fired by convincing him to go with him ask for a raise. Making jokes about his trauma probably helped him get through what would have been a very triggering and scary interview (I mean imagine the balls it takes to go up against someone as rich and powerful as Mr Beast). Knowing what we know now, I'm guessing Dogpack is the one who chose to use that graphic to make it seem like an actual allegation, and chose to subtly highlight the war crimes part. Even if Jake picked up on that graphic (and noticed the highlighted sections) being edited in and signed off on that being included, it still doesn't feel right to me the backlash he's getting. It feels like a DARVO tactic going after Jake over one thing being slightly off when the rest is clearly true or Mr Beast would have easily been able to disprove it by showing the footage from the video. Mr Beast has the resources to hire the best of the best PR/crisis management/legal team after all. The Mr Beast is a Sociopath video may have been presented to Jake like Dogpack was doing him a favour by giving him a platform to finally tell his story where it might actually reach and be believed by a significant number of people, and Dogpack could just say all his choices were just to make it do better in the algorithm. If Dogpack is so manipulative it may not have occurred to Jake the backlash he was exposing himself to, and I imagine it would have been hard for him to say no even if he did feel uncomfortable about it. I'd also like to point out that it says in the line below the highlighted section that the UN still recognises what happened to Jake as a form of torture and I'm guessing the word 'torture' and the long term effects of sleep and social deprivation were not stated clearly in the contract he signed or explained to him before he went in, because that would be an insane thing to agree to. So how can anyone seriously claim he gave informed consent to being tortured for profit? This is even discounting Jake's financial instability at the time and the huge power imbalance between him and Mr Beast. By the time they asked him to do that ridiculously sadistic 'run a marathon' challenge he would have already been incredibly mentally vulnerable and suggestible, and when they didn't take no for an answer the first time and put pressure on him to agree and be entertaining I think anyone would struggle to say no. Especially when it was in Jake's financial interests as well for the video to be entertaining after all the suffering he had been through for it. If I remember right he only got 30k since he tapped out after the marathon, until after the Dogpack interview suddenly Mr Beast reaches out in private to offer pay him the rest. The message said something like 'no need to make a public statement about this offer it's just to make it up to you' but like...sure, that was definitely sincere and if Jake hadn't mentioned it publicly that definitely wouldn't have been leaked to discredit him and make Mr Beast look like a sweetheart who just wants to make up for *totally accidentally* torturing his ex employee for public entertainment. Jake could have taken the full amount (or none at all if he'd made a decent grift off being in dogpack's video, to make a statement and add weight to his claims.) Instead he explained he made a practical compromise and took part of the money he needed to pay off his debts, under the condition he could continue to say whatever he wanted about Mr Beast, a decision which meant Beast lovers could just say he was paid off and did it all for money, and Beast haters criticise him for not taking all he was owed. I've seen enough to make me distrust dogpack but until I see further evidence against Jake, I believe him, I'm staying subscribed to him and I'll always hate Mr Beast. I think it was incredibly uncharitable of Soggy to make Jake seem shady for putting the AI fake audio of Mr Beast at the beginning of the video before saying it was fake, just because some people would click off early and get the wrong impression, and his video would be boosted in the algorithm. If you watch the whole video it was set up like that because Jake was saying it was so good that he nearly fell for it and it would have tanked his credibility, reminding people to vet their sources carefully before going on to talk about Mr Beast reaching out to offer him the rest of the money etc. Even if it was a calculated move to boost that video, who gives a shit? RUclipsrs do that all the time. It pisses me off when it punches down to a smaller creator or random person but do you really think Mr Beast's channel would be negatively affected at that moment by that one self-interested editing decision? You think Jake should have felt at that time that he owed Mr Beast any kind of loyalty? You think Mr Beast or anyone else wouldn't have done the same in his position? Honestly that part is so wildly specific and unnecessary to include it actually makes me feel weird about Soggy's motivations generally. I bet if we dug through enough of his content we'd find at least one an example of clickbait we could point to and say "Look he's a hypocrite he must be lying about everything!". Could be wrong, too lazy to check tbh lmao. I heard someone say once (about a huge celebrity being accused of abuse and successfully turning public opinion against their victim) : 'If you only support perfect victims, you don't support victims.' That will always stick with me, especially in cases like this where the victim is clearly at such a social and financial disadvantage to the person/company who wronged them. I'm fine with Jake Weddle accepting patreon donations without giving rewards yet because he's clearly a writer/stand up comedian first and youtuber second, not to mention processing this whole ordeal and dealing with the legalities and harassment is probably taking up a lot of his time and energy. I'm so sick of this cycle repeating itself in the media, people are so quick to believe the billionaire hiding behind his PR team, over the victim who puts their neck and career on the line to go up against goliath. The more this happens the less likely victims are to come forward and share their stories.
just wanted to say that this was a really high quality and in depth comment about the situation. rarely see so much thought put into comments on here, kudos and totally agree with your takes.
Something i think is interesting is when asked if he would sue dogpack, mr beast once again brings up the soggy cereal video. Whether he intended it or not i think soggy was absolutely used as a tool for the mr beast team to get their evidence out through a third party to make it seem more "credible". The way mr beast has used his video just does not feel right to me. I think they heard he was looking into dogpack and took the opportunity. And i think its actually worked pretty well for them.
@SadistAssist okay so defend your point then. Why did soggy cereal have access to evidence nobody else did, why did Mr beast send that video to commentators, and why did he continue to mention it?
@SadistAssist soggy cereal was not the first person to reach out to mr beast or his team. However he was the only one to get a response with all of this new evidence. Mr beast then sent that video to several commentary youtubers and is citing that video as a reason to sue dogpack. I think you're just glazing Mr beast and can't give any actual reason as to why that isn't suspicious except for the fact that you don't want to believe it.
@SadistAssist if you wanna dispute any of my points I'd be happy to listen. But I think you're either a) just a Mr beast defender or b) posting rage bait
It definitely feels like MrBeast reached out to soggy whoever the fuck . he’s called to do some sort of damage control to save Jimmys image. Never seen a MrBeast video so I couldn’t care less but I love your videos cam. So I’m going to support you
Yeah but none of these comments mention the fact this guy has used the exact same picture of himself in his thumbnails for 7 MONTHS STRAIGHT, bro must really like that picture of himself
This Soggy dude's credibility is shot though. He falsely accused another creator, Cam Nuggets of looking at CP. It was originally in his video. But he took it out. But to me, that makes me question his credibility.
I’m always so thankful when you put out these videos because these situations are ALWAYS so bias with sides. I’m so glad that you never take sides even if things seem to be completely true. I’m also glad that you’re showing Caleb’s video!
I wanna point out that the Eye Surgery video had a different thumbnail than what is has now. Originally the thumbnail had a child in place of the old lady with like, a surprised face and tears running down their eyes with Mr Beast's hand on the kid's shoulder.
Personally I don't trust either of them. I don't trust a vast majority of RUclipsrs to actually be good people. Same policy with reality TV stars and celebrities in general. That doesn't mean that I automatically believe the allegations are true or untrue, or that everyone in these jobs is trash ... I kind of just hold space for anyone in those spheres to be in tomorrow's bad news cycle. People do a lot of shady shit to get to the top. Edit: Just got to the part where Cam says, "The more I cover this situation, the more I think, 'Is anyone a nice person anymore?'" and that's exactly what I'm saying too 🤣😭
Havent a clue what this is over, only watched because of your reactions, 57 year old here and laughing at names,Mr. Beast , etc, too many kids in the playground trying to be boss, but it makes fun watching you explain it all, from a old donut keep it coming 😂😂
@@sleepyelf. . i think its a fair point you bring up that i havent really seen anybody talk about which i was also thinking about. I think its odd that best buy didnt have an issue with having a sex offender as an employee. i think it also gives mr beast leeway cause i assume mr beast thought that best buy wouldnt want a sex offender as a manager of their store.
11:19 I don’t see a problem with profiting from personal trauma I would/have done a similar thing going through something which has traumatised you and heavily affected and ruined aspects of your life to your advantage isn't something I see as being a problem, because I had to live through that and feel that pain if there is any way I can gain something positive through that pain I want to take the opportunity. His story shouldn't be something others can dictate his usage of as long as he is not knowingly hurting innocent people. Edit - This is not me hating on Cam
I personally think dogpack and soggy had some beef and now it’s all coming out and exploding. This is taking away from some of the serious situations though
Congratulations for being one of a handful of people on social media who are ethical and balanced. You took the appropriate action after Mr Beast DMed you - you disclosed that it happened without breaking his copyright (because he could have been quite nasty about that - it's a trap for young players). Well done you!
I noticed the audio issue, so I wasn't super surprised that the video came down, just happy you're so diligent, honestly, but I didn't get to finish it, so I'm watching it again, just like you asked 😅
He didn't have proof that he didn't know about Delaware's criminal record, he had proof that he didn't give him the name Delaware. I think you were a bit too trusting and taking him at his word in what were clearly very carefully workshopped PR answers in a softball interview
Tbf to him it’s only been about 5 months since it was posted and he always takes 6 months to respond to controversy’s 😭 I remember his past controversy’s he always took and takes about 6 months to respond
"some people just hide from it...." Hmmm who you talking about there cam 🤣🤣loved this vid mate, easily one of the best creators out there rn 👊think you will and George should do a video calling out Alex and making sure no one forgets who he is what he did and make sure he can't just run off with his money as he said he wanted to
Hahaha i was sat there like 👀 *cough, cough* Alex *cough* 👀 But fr ik George Clarke fired shots on See it off, and idk if its just me, but i think i can count on one hand the amount of vids i remember them being in together. The 2017 UK scene have been so quiet about it and i dont really see them speaking out tbh, its a really sensitive subject. At the same time its ironic and weird that this is the only story that that side of the commentary scene wont touch.
((apologies in advance english isnt my first language)) personally i think an in depth video of imallex might just be redundant with how many times the situation was spoken about on youtube. if anything id prefer just a video saying whether or not he chooses to stay associated with alex and addressing it briefly - referencing more in depth videos by other creators to watch... simply because of the past videos him and alex were on (so the audience knows exactly where cam stands). i definitely think he doesnt want to be associated with alex after whats come out but until its confirmed ive honestly felt a bit off watching cam recently discussing the heavier topics and ignoring a situation like this. obviously cam doesnt have to, im just saying how i felt. also i understand if cam chooses to be silent since alex struggles with bpd however i struggle with bpd and i can say ive luckily had a support system- so maybe with his struggles they worry adding on to the fire might make him hurt himself or lash out more in a self destructive pattern- with that being said that doesnt mean he can escape accountability because of the mental health card, having friends that call you out on bs and boundary crossing is what everyone needs especially someone with bpd so that they arent enabled to continue and escalate their behavior. ... //ufff damn thanks for taking the time to read
Charity work is allowed to be criticized because he really doesn't care about the people. He only cares about making a HIGH Production video which is money wasted vs actually doing good. He only cares about himself. Tbh if you don't believe me look at his 1st videos he exploited homeless people who literally wouldn't say no to being recorded if they were given money. Its like paying a prostitute to record her for porn. Its EXPLOITING THEM. Not actually changing peoples life. He makes 100x he gives.
I mean... the whole thing with that guy complaining about being recorded... he also said Mr beast was trying to get the rso record scrubbed. And with voice changer, it really seemed like this was clearly not the first time that guy had told people that story
It's so funny how you hit the EXACT reason I'm watching this video: I don't care about Mr. Beast, I don't care about RUclips drama, but Cam posted about it, so now I watch. LOL
I feel like one of the problems with every single situation like this is that people want it to be a story with a clear protagonist and antagonist, when in reality "bad" people do nice things and "good" people do terrible things all the time. It's like if something bad comes out about one side of an argument then the other side is absolved of all previous wrongdoing, there always has to be a winner
Jake shouldn’t have participated or tapped out. Participating was his own choice. It’s WILD that they’re making this Mr.Beasts. Jake is obviously an entitled, whiny, “poor me” type of person.
I've not watched Mr Beast since I was in year 10, I'm now in uni so it's been a while. Literally just here for Cam. I do think it's weird that Mr Beast would message Cam, and god knows how many other people he has sent this video to. All the respect to Cam for taking nothing uncritically and pointing out bias with everything, not always an easy thing to do and saying that as a history student. Another great video Cam!
cheers for the fantastic video, you’re always my #1 source on the latest internet drama. it can be hard to find such balanced and reliable takes these days. as for mrbeast, i’ll genuinely be shocked if his career is even allowed to continue at this point. feel like (while it wouldn’t change or excuse the wrong that he’s already done of course) people would appreciate a sincere, honest and heartfelt apology much more than the approach he’s taking. which seems to be a mix of ignoring it and having other content creators manipulate their audiences on his behalf- think he should probably fire his PR team if they’re even involved at this point, doesn’t seem like they are lol.
Btw, being manipulated is not an insult to feel offended by, if anything it makes you a victim of someone taking advantage of your empathy, that's all. It's an insult to the manipulator using misinformation
watching beast drama: 😐 watching cam cover beast drama: 🤩 great vid, as per usual, n i love how transparent you were with the beast DM/the doubts you've had making it (good that you went through w it)
Don’t really get your point that Dogpack can’t be called manipulative because Soggy used some language to suggest that Mr Beast wasn’t as bad as him. The amount of amount of lies and misinformation from dogpack is massive, manipulative is a very apt word to use
Hello donuts.. apologies for taking this video down, YT messed up with processing some audio in the intro so we had to take it down to fix it.. would really appreciate if you could drop a like on this video or watch it again if you didn’t managed to finish it to help it out as we've worked really hard on it :)
ps. also uploaded a new video on the reacts channel today, DOUBLE UPLOAD WHO THIS
Hi cam 🤍🤍
thought it was my laptop playing up lol
Have I already watched the entirety of this video? Yes. Am I going to watch it again? Also yes.
I didn't even get to watch it first time obviously I'm finishing it the second time around
Fuck Mr Beast. You da man Cam. Great video ya wee doughnut 🍩
Is no one gonna mention how hypocritical it was to say dogpack was a bad person for releasing a recording of someone without their consent while in the same video releasing a recording of someone getting fired without their consent
Yes!! I just commented this on a different video about the situation
That was my first thought... like i doubt dog pack consented to that recording
@@MaomaomahuI’m honestly very skeptical about if it’s real or not. In the very beginning of this mess there was something about how the Beast team was going to try and make Dawson out to be a disgruntled ex-employee who’s also a Mr. Beast superfan
I said the same thing.
He also never says where he got the recording or why dogpack being fired was recorded in the first place.
agree, but if it is a recording by the company's HR during a firing, I think it's a different case specially if the recording was disclosed to the person (which I think is the case).
I love how its a serious situation but the main players are literally called 'soggy' 'dogpack' and 'mr beast' this truly is a timeline we live in 😂
... Annnd, your point.. Look at your name and you wanna ironically call out their names
@@SadistAssist id take OP more seriously than u in a serious situation x
Exactly nothin
@@diaaa004 Sure uhuh
@@SadistAssist ur main source of energy is def prime and feastables
"Hour and a half? You dont have the time for that"
He says in an hour long video
30 mins less.. I call that a win
HAHAHA
@@CamKirkham It's the small things in life 🙏🏻
Bro I’ll Litch watch anything if he posts it ❤ doughnuts for life
i don’t care about celeb drama until cam posts about it
literally
Same here
I'm all for a RUclips mudslinging match; I'd just rather it was between channels I actually watch rather than these vain career RUclipsrs. I wanna see a fight between FranLab, Doug DeMuro, BigClive, Mat from Techmoan, Alec from Technology Connections, AvE, Colin Furze, etc.
Real
This is so true
I love your take Cam, but Oompa could’ve gone in so much harder with follow up questions and really pushed him. I can’t help thinking Mr Beast took the interview with Oompa because he knew he wouldn’t be grilled, rather than someone like Coffeezilla, who would definitely have questioned Jimmy harder
Beast walked in,sat infeont of the fake fire and put his feet on the table. Definately in charge.of the interview.
Yeah I like oompa and was hoping he’d have a back and forth with jimmy but all he really did was ask a question then let jimmy answer it and instantly move on to the next one, there wasn’t really any questioning of jimmy’s answers it’s he just sorta took them all at face value. Glad oompa made the video and props to him for that at all but it could have been done a lot better and more of a debate and discussion oppose to letting jimmy put his feet up and control the most of it.
REAL! Adam McIntyre had some good thoughts on the video and pointed out how Oompa was so much more passive than someone like Coffee would be. Oompa really didnt press him but i mean the situation he was put in ie. Jimmy coming to his house, sat opposite him, it must have been intimidating and i think thats Jimmy's tactic, undermine and intimidate and then bring his lawyers in to enforce it.
Sleep deprivation is considered torture, which is why it is considered a war crime. That's why having the lights on 24 hours was a big criticism for the migrant detention in the US
Preffered the first upload mate
honestly the gull of people today
@@petilily ikr
@@petilily wait what happened?
@@jessiewessiewoo is joke
@@shelbybaby1642 oop I thought someone said something shitty
Let’s be real here right all mr beast is doing is a press tour he’s trying to change the narrative so he can ignore the serious issues.
Dogpack is an enormous liar tho and no action or inaction from Beast will change that fact
@ so is mr beast? Just because the person calling you out is malicious doesn’t mean the points made aren’t true or valid, you focusing on dog pack is literally what the mr beast PR team wants so you’ll forget all the bad stuff he’s actually done it’s a basic smoke screen strategy.
@@redwiltshire1816 Only reason I bring this up is everyone on earth was glazing clear biased liar DogPack for 3 months, only a few people were calling him out (to pushback, I might add). Bro just threw every false allegation at the wall and hoped some of it stuck. He used "anonymous" sources, lied about his employment to garner false credibility, twisted facts, and straight up made things up entirely, and much more - all the while people swallowed it down without question.
But as soon as Mr Beast speaks, all while many long-believed claims are vindicated (like Feastables labour and many more), and his employees give first hand accounts which show the other side of various claims, suddenly everyone learns the word bias and becomes a hardcore sceptic.
Kinda sus.
@ his employees gave first hand accounts? You mean the video that was clearly biased given one half of the interview was just calling random people and making fun of him (with zero push back from the interview) or how one of the employees kept saying “I’m a woman so mr beat can’t do anything wrong” even tho multiple contestants came out and spoke about the mistreatment first hand. You talk about bias while being bias, also people did push back dog pack multiple people defending jimmy (e.g Ludwig) also every dram channel is biased they aren’t professionals or even licensed
@@DDArtsArts and mrbeast isn't? lol come on now
I just found it weird how apparently no-one else has been able to sit down with Beast employees and get an inside scoop but the one person who has been allowed access also has a video that is being endorsed and actively promoted by Mr Beast. Beast sliding into reactionary/tea channels dms is also dodgy to me I don't fwi at all. I don't understand what is so special about soggy that employees all of a sudden, after being SILENT to everyone else for the majority of the "exposè", decide to come out and speak apparently of their own will about a situation I'm assuming they were briefed on.
Side note: I personally have never met a single person who doesn't have at least ONE bad or negative thing to say about their workplace or their boss
For sure there is no workplace that's all sunshine and rainbows
well the being endorsed by the mrbeast doesn't mean anything if u say something I like of course I'm going to say go talk to kyla also I don't know a lot about the situation but have others even tried to talk to the other employees because dogpack talked to some
To play devil's advocate for just a moment it may be the case that most requests for employee interviews were done during the investigation and only after the investigation had conculded they could say stuff.
Though I do think it is awfully convenient myself.
@@jammyman7085 See I considered this too but thought its still dodgy and I'll take anything the staff members are saying with a pinch of salt as, once again, I assume they are still employed and I think that has to influence what you are willing to say on camera about a situation.
also thankyou for a constructive reply, this is different from my usual experience
“I don’t colab with anyone” George M found crying in the corner
I wonder if George got a DM?
“Why don’t these people just have normal names like Andy and Bert” I’m crying what 😭
great vid cam, kinda strange why mr beast messaged u but when you explained it, now makes sense
Yeah I think so! Just about looking at his from his POV..
Apparently some people are also being paid by Mr Beast to react to that video? I’m not sure how true that statement is, but I’ve seen it said quite a lot now.
Glad you mentioned that soggy cereal also uses some of the same manipulative tactics that dogpack did. It doesnt invalidate all of his points but hes definitely not without bias or ulterior motives. Just like dogpacks points arent all entirely invalid just because he has bias and ultierior motives.
You seem to believe some mofo who wants attention and drama
@@SadistAssistwhich particular mofo are you refering to?
31:50 "Some people just never talk about it and just hide from it." now call me a conspiracy theorist but that was a jab at Alex
YES I was looking to see if anyone said anything Abt that
came here to say this 🙋🏼♀️
Cam running to the comments to find this! 😂😂
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You are actually the most genuine youtuber i watch. I love how no matter what others are saying, you always state your own opinion while still being mindful and respectful. Its so nice to see such a kind guy who is just being himself on here. Hope your having a good week!
quick turn around after the problem with the audio, fair play cam what a guy 🙌
Appreciate you noticing this, me and editor Justin tried to rectify asap 🙏🏻
massive respect for you and Justin, absolutely unreal
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Yeah, kudos to you and Jason! 🎉❤
Genuinely only watched this because Cam was covering it, I couldn't care less about Mr Beast.
This whole "Soggy Situation' (I literally cannot believe that's a thing) just reeks of inside job propaganda. Like how did he get access to all off the internal documents and secret recording of DogPack's firing? The pretending to give a balanced look at both DogPack and mr beast while completely ragging on only one of them right from the beginning really set the tone of his video I think.
Also, if Soggy can go to North Carolina to interview Mr Beast staff, surely he can organise a few Zoom meetings with people who know about crypto. Like it's just so obviously biased it's doing my head in lol!
I absolutely love that cam has his morals and sticks by them. He's so honest and transparent.
It's a refreshing change for a youtuber. ❤
i've never been so confused, i was half way through the first video and all of a sudden the video wasn't playing and genuinely thought my ipad crashed for a sec
Yeah me too. I fell asleep watching the first upload and when I woke up I thought my phone had died.
Your geordie accent saying Oompaville sounds so adorable 😂
Shady Jimmy sliding into your DMs... Mr Beast might want more attention to his controversy as its free advertising
Get off the internet with your ignorance and bias
@SadistAssist Spoken like a true Mr beast fan boy 👍
@@adamm6930 Passive aggressive much bih
@@SadistAssistWhy do tou think Mr Beast is dming commentary/drama youtubers? Im genuinely asking
@@adamm6930 Passive aggressive much
I'll leave it on in the background to get the full view again
This is honestly so appreciated
12:20 everyone they mentioned the “war crime” not as fact but as a point of reference to make a point of how horrendous it is. Listen to the way this information is given to you. It’s like an analogy. It’s so bad it’s borderline a crime.
its good that cam is real with us about the dms with mrbeast, love to see the transparency!!
It's nice to see 🙂
30:55 instantly thought of imallex LOL
The lack of picture to follow that one felt like a hint to him 😭
on point bros dipped
DOUBLE DOUGHNUT DAY!! We can call it that right?
Yes we certainly can
I think that the complaint to the FBI is perfectly valid, these people were sharing pictures that they thought protrayed minors. How is that not something worthy of informing? There's a clear line being crossed.
no mention from either of them about the pedophilic chat logs
Read this too fast and thought you were saying something about pedophilic cats and dogs 😂
3:29 i just wanted to give Cam some credit here. Having a multi multi millionaire send you a DM and having the most unbothered, unwavering reaction is so admirable. Just goes to show how real you and your content is 🎉❤
Jake's tone sounded like he meant the war crime thing as a joke as well. He gets very upset during the interview especially when talking about the black coworker friend who was paid less than him despite having a family, and how Jake ended up getting both of them fired by convincing him to go with him ask for a raise. Making jokes about his trauma probably helped him get through what would have been a very triggering and scary interview (I mean imagine the balls it takes to go up against someone as rich and powerful as Mr Beast).
Knowing what we know now, I'm guessing Dogpack is the one who chose to use that graphic to make it seem like an actual allegation, and chose to subtly highlight the war crimes part. Even if Jake picked up on that graphic (and noticed the highlighted sections) being edited in and signed off on that being included, it still doesn't feel right to me the backlash he's getting. It feels like a DARVO tactic going after Jake over one thing being slightly off when the rest is clearly true or Mr Beast would have easily been able to disprove it by showing the footage from the video. Mr Beast has the resources to hire the best of the best PR/crisis management/legal team after all.
The Mr Beast is a Sociopath video may have been presented to Jake like Dogpack was doing him a favour by giving him a platform to finally tell his story where it might actually reach and be believed by a significant number of people, and Dogpack could just say all his choices were just to make it do better in the algorithm. If Dogpack is so manipulative it may not have occurred to Jake the backlash he was exposing himself to, and I imagine it would have been hard for him to say no even if he did feel uncomfortable about it.
I'd also like to point out that it says in the line below the highlighted section that the UN still recognises what happened to Jake as a form of torture and I'm guessing the word 'torture' and the long term effects of sleep and social deprivation were not stated clearly in the contract he signed or explained to him before he went in, because that would be an insane thing to agree to. So how can anyone seriously claim he gave informed consent to being tortured for profit?
This is even discounting Jake's financial instability at the time and the huge power imbalance between him and Mr Beast. By the time they asked him to do that ridiculously sadistic 'run a marathon' challenge he would have already been incredibly mentally vulnerable and suggestible, and when they didn't take no for an answer the first time and put pressure on him to agree and be entertaining I think anyone would struggle to say no. Especially when it was in Jake's financial interests as well for the video to be entertaining after all the suffering he had been through for it.
If I remember right he only got 30k since he tapped out after the marathon, until after the Dogpack interview suddenly Mr Beast reaches out in private to offer pay him the rest. The message said something like 'no need to make a public statement about this offer it's just to make it up to you' but like...sure, that was definitely sincere and if Jake hadn't mentioned it publicly that definitely wouldn't have been leaked to discredit him and make Mr Beast look like a sweetheart who just wants to make up for *totally accidentally* torturing his ex employee for public entertainment.
Jake could have taken the full amount (or none at all if he'd made a decent grift off being in dogpack's video, to make a statement and add weight to his claims.) Instead he explained he made a practical compromise and took part of the money he needed to pay off his debts, under the condition he could continue to say whatever he wanted about Mr Beast, a decision which meant Beast lovers could just say he was paid off and did it all for money, and Beast haters criticise him for not taking all he was owed.
I've seen enough to make me distrust dogpack but until I see further evidence against Jake, I believe him, I'm staying subscribed to him and I'll always hate Mr Beast. I think it was incredibly uncharitable of Soggy to make Jake seem shady for putting the AI fake audio of Mr Beast at the beginning of the video before saying it was fake, just because some people would click off early and get the wrong impression, and his video would be boosted in the algorithm. If you watch the whole video it was set up like that because Jake was saying it was so good that he nearly fell for it and it would have tanked his credibility, reminding people to vet their sources carefully before going on to talk about Mr Beast reaching out to offer him the rest of the money etc. Even if it was a calculated move to boost that video, who gives a shit? RUclipsrs do that all the time. It pisses me off when it punches down to a smaller creator or random person but do you really think Mr Beast's channel would be negatively affected at that moment by that one self-interested editing decision? You think Jake should have felt at that time that he owed Mr Beast any kind of loyalty? You think Mr Beast or anyone else wouldn't have done the same in his position? Honestly that part is so wildly specific and unnecessary to include it actually makes me feel weird about Soggy's motivations generally. I bet if we dug through enough of his content we'd find at least one an example of clickbait we could point to and say "Look he's a hypocrite he must be lying about everything!". Could be wrong, too lazy to check tbh lmao.
I heard someone say once (about a huge celebrity being accused of abuse and successfully turning public opinion against their victim) : 'If you only support perfect victims, you don't support victims.'
That will always stick with me, especially in cases like this where the victim is clearly at such a social and financial disadvantage to the person/company who wronged them. I'm fine with Jake Weddle accepting patreon donations without giving rewards yet because he's clearly a writer/stand up comedian first and youtuber second, not to mention processing this whole ordeal and dealing with the legalities and harassment is probably taking up a lot of his time and energy. I'm so sick of this cycle repeating itself in the media, people are so quick to believe the billionaire hiding behind his PR team, over the victim who puts their neck and career on the line to go up against goliath. The more this happens the less likely victims are to come forward and share their stories.
just wanted to say that this was a really high quality and in depth comment about the situation. rarely see so much thought put into comments on here, kudos and totally agree with your takes.
can’t even imagine how much effort went into this just for the donuts absolutely class
An hour long video!! And just as my dinner is ready. Cam always coming through with the goods ❤
Excellent, well balanced video - probably one of the best covering the MrBeast, Soggy and Dogpack situation (why can't people just use normal names!?)
Something i think is interesting is when asked if he would sue dogpack, mr beast once again brings up the soggy cereal video. Whether he intended it or not i think soggy was absolutely used as a tool for the mr beast team to get their evidence out through a third party to make it seem more "credible". The way mr beast has used his video just does not feel right to me. I think they heard he was looking into dogpack and took the opportunity. And i think its actually worked pretty well for them.
You just want to hear what YOU want.. Being disingenuous
@SadistAssist okay so defend your point then. Why did soggy cereal have access to evidence nobody else did, why did Mr beast send that video to commentators, and why did he continue to mention it?
@@coffeebubbles22 Someone's upset cause i only called out you being disingenuous.. Feel like i had some other point, no, just calling out the bias
@SadistAssist soggy cereal was not the first person to reach out to mr beast or his team. However he was the only one to get a response with all of this new evidence. Mr beast then sent that video to several commentary youtubers and is citing that video as a reason to sue dogpack. I think you're just glazing Mr beast and can't give any actual reason as to why that isn't suspicious except for the fact that you don't want to believe it.
@SadistAssist if you wanna dispute any of my points I'd be happy to listen. But I think you're either a) just a Mr beast defender or b) posting rage bait
your transparency is so appreciated cam, for whatever reason you make a video i trust you will provide a non--biased perspective
mate this Mr. Beasts drama is literally getting so messy like we all just need to collectively take a water break 😭😭😭😭😭😭
It definitely feels like MrBeast reached out to soggy whoever the fuck . he’s called to do some sort of damage control to save Jimmys image.
Never seen a MrBeast video so I couldn’t care less but I love your videos cam. So I’m going to support you
Hey Cam love the content you are making, it’s so crazy to me that it’s got to this point with the MR Beast situation
i just sat down to eat.. cam’s divine timing is so real
Yeah but none of these comments mention the fact this guy has used the exact same picture of himself in his thumbnails for 7 MONTHS STRAIGHT, bro must really like that picture of himself
A very pretty man lol
This Soggy dude's credibility is shot though. He falsely accused another creator, Cam Nuggets of looking at CP. It was originally in his video. But he took it out. But to me, that makes me question his credibility.
I’m always so thankful when you put out these videos because these situations are ALWAYS so bias with sides. I’m so glad that you never take sides even if things seem to be completely true. I’m also glad that you’re showing Caleb’s video!
I wanna point out that the Eye Surgery video had a different thumbnail than what is has now. Originally the thumbnail had a child in place of the old lady with like, a surprised face and tears running down their eyes with Mr Beast's hand on the kid's shoulder.
Personally I don't trust either of them. I don't trust a vast majority of RUclipsrs to actually be good people. Same policy with reality TV stars and celebrities in general. That doesn't mean that I automatically believe the allegations are true or untrue, or that everyone in these jobs is trash ... I kind of just hold space for anyone in those spheres to be in tomorrow's bad news cycle. People do a lot of shady shit to get to the top.
Edit: Just got to the part where Cam says, "The more I cover this situation, the more I think, 'Is anyone a nice person anymore?'" and that's exactly what I'm saying too 🤣😭
Says alot about you Cam, that you didn't feel right making this video and NOT mentioning the message from Beast. We appreciate you bro 🙏
i’m getting deja vu from this upload
Havent a clue what this is over, only watched because of your reactions, 57 year old here and laughing at names,Mr. Beast , etc, too many kids in the playground trying to be boss, but it makes fun watching you explain it all, from a old donut keep it coming 😂😂
Wouldn't the shop where he was working with the public done their own background check before hiring him, so confused lol
@@sleepyelf. . i think its a fair point you bring up that i havent really seen anybody talk about which i was also thinking about. I think its odd that best buy didnt have an issue with having a sex offender as an employee. i think it also gives mr beast leeway cause i assume mr beast thought that best buy wouldnt want a sex offender as a manager of their store.
11:19 I don’t see a problem with profiting from personal trauma I would/have done a similar thing going through something which has traumatised you and heavily affected and ruined aspects of your life to your advantage isn't something I see as being a problem, because I had to live through that and feel that pain if there is any way I can gain something positive through that pain I want to take the opportunity. His story shouldn't be something others can dictate his usage of as long as he is not knowingly hurting innocent people.
Edit - This is not me hating on Cam
I personally think dogpack and soggy had some beef and now it’s all coming out and exploding. This is taking away from some of the serious situations though
Good theory.
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spent so long thinking of a comment on the first upload cam thanks alot🙄🙄xx
Congratulations for being one of a handful of people on social media who are ethical and balanced. You took the appropriate action after Mr Beast DMed you - you disclosed that it happened without breaking his copyright (because he could have been quite nasty about that - it's a trap for young players). Well done you!
leaving cam on in the background while cooking without fail everytime💪🏽
You need to do more videos that are an hour+ long! Always binge watch your videos and it’s sad when they end ❤
I cba to research any drama so I wait till cam posts about it to find out everything! He just makes it so much more entertaining
I’m not even interested in Mr Beast drama, just like how Cam reacts and comments on things
I noticed the audio issue, so I wasn't super surprised that the video came down, just happy you're so diligent, honestly, but I didn't get to finish it, so I'm watching it again, just like you asked 😅
Comparing Soggy's intro to Dogpacks manipulations is insane
I felt very called out when you said you might be on in the background while we were on our phones and here I was sat on tiktok
Cam!! I love your videos, especially the reacting ones!!
whenever i see that cam has posted about internet or celeb drama i know its gonna be a banging video
Can't be the only one who feels fuzzy in they tummy when cam calls us "beautiful doughnuts"
He didn't have proof that he didn't know about Delaware's criminal record, he had proof that he didn't give him the name Delaware. I think you were a bit too trusting and taking him at his word in what were clearly very carefully workshopped PR answers in a softball interview
had a welsh speech today felt shit you posted and now I'm feeling much better❤
Whyyyyyy the heck is he messaging a random person making suggestions about what they do. Weird as fook.
“Some people just never talk about it and hide from it”😳😳😳 here for the imallexx shade
i was half way through the first upload then u deleted it LOL was fuming.. proper invested
31:07, like imalex who just disapeared after getting cancelled :/
Tbf to him it’s only been about 5 months since it was posted and he always takes 6 months to respond to controversy’s 😭 I remember his past controversy’s he always took and takes about 6 months to respond
"some people just hide from it...." Hmmm who you talking about there cam 🤣🤣loved this vid mate, easily one of the best creators out there rn 👊think you will and George should do a video calling out Alex and making sure no one forgets who he is what he did and make sure he can't just run off with his money as he said he wanted to
Hahaha i was sat there like
👀 *cough, cough* Alex *cough* 👀
But fr ik George Clarke fired shots on See it off, and idk if its just me, but i think i can count on one hand the amount of vids i remember them being in together. The 2017 UK scene have been so quiet about it and i dont really see them speaking out tbh, its a really sensitive subject. At the same time its ironic and weird that this is the only story that that side of the commentary scene wont touch.
((apologies in advance english isnt my first language))
personally i think an in depth video of imallex might just be redundant with how many times the situation was spoken about on youtube. if anything id prefer just a video saying whether or not he chooses to stay associated with alex and addressing it briefly - referencing more in depth videos by other creators to watch... simply because of the past videos him and alex were on (so the audience knows exactly where cam stands).
i definitely think he doesnt want to be associated with alex after whats come out but until its confirmed ive honestly felt a bit off watching cam recently discussing the heavier topics and ignoring a situation like this.
obviously cam doesnt have to, im just saying how i felt.
also i understand if cam chooses to be silent since alex struggles with bpd however i struggle with bpd and i can say ive luckily had a support system- so maybe with his struggles they worry adding on to the fire might make him hurt himself or lash out more in a self destructive pattern- with that being said that doesnt mean he can escape accountability because of the mental health card, having friends that call you out on bs and boundary crossing is what everyone needs especially someone with bpd so that they arent enabled to continue and escalate their behavior.
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//ufff damn thanks for taking the time to read
Charity work is allowed to be criticized because he really doesn't care about the people. He only cares about making a HIGH Production video which is money wasted vs actually doing good. He only cares about himself. Tbh if you don't believe me look at his 1st videos he exploited homeless people who literally wouldn't say no to being recorded if they were given money. Its like paying a prostitute to record her for porn. Its EXPLOITING THEM. Not actually changing peoples life. He makes 100x he gives.
Cam>any commentary RUclipsr
This is true actually
Been watching you for a while now and you make topics that I would never normally care about interesting. Keep up the good work man. 🙌🏻
Class editing too🎉
I mean... the whole thing with that guy complaining about being recorded... he also said Mr beast was trying to get the rso record scrubbed. And with voice changer, it really seemed like this was clearly not the first time that guy had told people that story
perfect background video to make my birthday lunch pancakes to, thanks cam!
It's so funny how you hit the EXACT reason I'm watching this video: I don't care about Mr. Beast, I don't care about RUclips drama, but Cam posted about it, so now I watch. LOL
31:03 Anyone else thinks an ImAllexx call out 😂
My first thought was Cody Ko 🥲
Thankyou! I’ve never understood why someone would buy an NFT. Exactly! You could just screenshot it. Madness.
I feel like one of the problems with every single situation like this is that people want it to be a story with a clear protagonist and antagonist, when in reality "bad" people do nice things and "good" people do terrible things all the time. It's like if something bad comes out about one side of an argument then the other side is absolved of all previous wrongdoing, there always has to be a winner
i really don't want cam to get canceled 😭
the audio problem in the og was funny
It was tbf but was so annoying because the amount of work that went into it 😂
@ that’s fair! we appreciate your hard work cam🩷🩷 we love whatever you put out
The effort he puts in is top notch
He did do crypto stuff and also oh and didn’t clear his name on coffeezilla interview so he is still not innocent for that
And hiring a PD file, creating overpriced products too and his questionable friends
@@redwiltshire1816 ya and that
Soggy biscuit 😭. First time i heard about boys in my high-school doing that i nearly threw up.
Your takes are really good and balanced and I appreciate that from you
Cam thought we wouldnt realise he deleted it and reuploaded. Love how ur covering this as im legit obsessed w it 🍩 (1 hour omg!)
"thank you cam for posting" 🗣🗣🗣 we all say in unison
I'm afraid that Cam has always been very very light towards Mr Beast and it goes from the off that Cam is very on Mr Beasts side
Jake shouldn’t have participated or tapped out. Participating was his own choice. It’s WILD that they’re making this Mr.Beasts. Jake is obviously an entitled, whiny, “poor me” type of person.
1 hour cam video is all I needed ❤️
The effort cam put in is amazing
always watch your videos while i get ready for company. not a care for mr beast but will watch all your videos :)
Great video cam
I've not watched Mr Beast since I was in year 10, I'm now in uni so it's been a while. Literally just here for Cam. I do think it's weird that Mr Beast would message Cam, and god knows how many other people he has sent this video to. All the respect to Cam for taking nothing uncritically and pointing out bias with everything, not always an easy thing to do and saying that as a history student. Another great video Cam!
An hour? Cam? This is amazing! Thank you for the content💗
cheers for the fantastic video, you’re always my #1 source on the latest internet drama. it can be hard to find such balanced and reliable takes these days.
as for mrbeast, i’ll genuinely be shocked if his career is even allowed to continue at this point. feel like (while it wouldn’t change or excuse the wrong that he’s already done of course) people would appreciate a sincere, honest and heartfelt apology much more than the approach he’s taking. which seems to be a mix of ignoring it and having other content creators manipulate their audiences on his behalf- think he should probably fire his PR team if they’re even involved at this point, doesn’t seem like they are lol.
1 hour cam video is GOATED
Btw, being manipulated is not an insult to feel offended by, if anything it makes you a victim of someone taking advantage of your empathy, that's all. It's an insult to the manipulator using misinformation
Finally something to look forward too! I had to wake up early and babysit my little sister *EVERYDAY,ALL DAY LONG, ALL WEEK.
watching beast drama: 😐
watching cam cover beast drama: 🤩
great vid, as per usual, n i love how transparent you were with the beast DM/the doubts you've had making it (good that you went through w it)
Don’t really get your point that Dogpack can’t be called manipulative because Soggy used some language to suggest that Mr Beast wasn’t as bad as him. The amount of amount of lies and misinformation from dogpack is massive, manipulative is a very apt word to use
1 HOUR!?! oh this is an absolute treat i’m so excited for this watch