Knight Plate Spaulders - How Do They Compare With Roman and Samurai Armor?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- As you know I own and wear both Roman armour and Samurai armour and recently I've received these full plate knight spaulders made by the forge of Svan so I've been testing them a bit. Do they feel more or less comfortable than Roman protections for the shoulders and samurai protection for the shoulders? Let's find out.
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"I got these nice shoulder plates, but sadly I also got an arrow to the knee" - future Metatron
I hope not! I'll armour that knee like crazy
Kind of curious, just for lol, picture of a leveling adventurer mixing all different types of armour you own for a gloriously anachronistic mess.
Absolutely glorious, we need that, Metatron!
That would be extremely interesting
I approve!
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I'll do it!
1:42 "These are ready for combat..and that's what i'm gonna use it for"
Me: *armored satisfaction noises* so, when is the crusade?
Thank you for taking the time to share your historical knowledge and experience of both western and eastern cultures. Also love the collection of Armor and weapons you have !
Being born and bred in Nuremberg, I vastly prefer and admire the Gothic armour style. So yes, I adore these pauldrons and I would love if you added to them.
Chinese armor? That has my interest. I haven't heard nearly enough about Chinese warfare in general, actually. Glad you're continuing to branch out!
Ancient Chinese shoulder armor actually includes armored sleeves that protects the upper arms and armpit similar to extended chainmail sleeves.
Here are some examples from the Han Dynasty: 1) us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/a0/435hzh0mtdc5.jpg
2) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Han_iron_armour_Hohhot.png/400px-Han_iron_armour_Hohhot.png
3) us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/km/g7if5o0k0o3s.jpg
4) 3.bp.blogspot.com/-YrHBnMIY058/V8JJ12Y8E9I/AAAAAAAADSw/LfToJXOKVJMt_m6gRmht6NnYdcnRc7_6wCLcB/s1600/EVkKngf.jpg
5) us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/8v/3pjrmz3qes2i.jpg
@@Ironpine27 They didn't always keep to themselves. The Han Chinese culture started in a small piece of land in the Yellow River valley and expanded to encompass a territory that was as large as the Roman Empire. Today, the collective territories of mainland China (including Tibet, Manchuria, Xinjiang, etc) are as big as the entire continent of Europe. Historically, the Han Chinese invaded many different kingdoms across East Asia - eg. invasion of what is now Southern China/Northern Vietnam/Laos/etc of Yue kingdoms (Minyue, Nanyue, etc), fought the Xiongnu all the way to Lake Baikal near Siberia, and sent armies into Central Asia during multiple timeperiods. The places they didn't conquer they still spread influences such as culture and technology.
@@Ironpine27 that sounds like fair reasoning. All the more reason to get excited for Raph to dig his teeth into some research on the subject! I love learning about weapons and armor I didn't even know existed.
@@Ironpine27 I'm not referring to only the Han Dynasty, but many different dynasties by the Han Chinese. The Tang Dynasty was a cosmopolitan empire that had extensive relations with the Eastern Roman Empire, spread into Central Asia, and some Tang emperors were called the Heavenly Khanate by Turkic and Mongolic nomadic tribes. The Song Dynasty was also relatively cosmopolitan and open to the world. The Ming Dynasty was open to the world for most of its history and had fleets that sailed around the Indian and Pacific Ocean (before it closed itself off). The Ming Dynasty saw works such as Journey to the West, about a Tang Dynasty monk who journeyed to India to recover new Buddhist texts. And if we include foreign rulers such as Mongols and Manchus, the Yuan and Qing Dynasties were relatively open to the world for most of their history. The Han Chinese spread their culture from their tiny origins in the Yellow River Valley, and the pan-Chinese people in general didn't only keep to themselves for much of history but were rather open to the world when they were able to and weren't suffering from internal weakness/bad policies.
@@Ironpine27 Thanks!
Love all your work. Great narration , great camera work , awesome unique knowledge and overall, beyond excellent!
I noticed them in your poldrons in your Q&A live stream and loved them . Really looks good
YESS. I always loved armor of any kind
so lindy beige is getting plate armour and knight erant has one already and now metatron is getting a suit himself would be hilarius to watch you guys duke it out :) possibly with a gathering or youtubers who happen to have full plate armor perhaps testing armored fighting tactics and group fighting
I'm really looking forward to seeing all of this! Especially your pet fighting armor project and the Chinese armor!
Ancient Chinese shoulder armor actually includes armored sleeves that protects the upper arms and armpit similar to extended chainmail sleeves.
Here are some examples from the Han Dynasty: 1) us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/a0/435hzh0mtdc5.jpg
2) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Han_iron_armour_Hohhot.png/400px-Han_iron_armour_Hohhot.png
3) us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/km/g7if5o0k0o3s.jpg
4) 3.bp.blogspot.com/-YrHBnMIY058/V8JJ12Y8E9I/AAAAAAAADSw/LfToJXOKVJMt_m6gRmht6NnYdcnRc7_6wCLcB/s1600/EVkKngf.jpg
I would imagine they did mix and match with older pieces and newer ones back in day depending on what they could afford and personally like.
yeah but theres using a 20 year old breastplate and using a 100 year old breastplate.
@ you might. but the question that then needs to be asked is: did that happen? do we have evidence that somebody was ever in that position, and ever made that decision? Take for example, the finds from the mass graves at the Battle of Wisby. The battle took place in 1361, but the armour found is largely representative of the 1330s/40s fashion and technology. This was armour worn by what was, effectively, a peasant rabble- and its only twenty years out of date. The style of these pieces is not strictly historical, but follows most closely a style of combined articulated spaulder and rerebrace that can be found as early as the 1480 in Austria and the Tyrol, a part of the "Innsbruck" style of armour. At this time, the Archduke Maximilian of Austria is putting lots of money into patronising armourers in his territory such as the Treitz family and later Lorenz Helmschmied- they all copy each other, and spaulders like this end up very popular in the early 16th century, often on so called "almain rivet" harness. Couple that with the relative cheapness of plate armour at this time (so that the vast majority of common soldiers wear plate armour and higher ranking ones might even wear full plate) we must ask whether a knight of a historic family in at the earliest the 1480s would ever realistically have been that poor; that his buying power, in a time where plate was so much more available especially in his area, was less than a mid 14th century peasant such that he was forced to wear armour from 1430 at the latest. And then we have to ask how he could afford the spaulders but not a breastplate, a far more important piece of armour. I do not intend to criticise Raf- he acknowledges the anachronism. But this kind of thinking is sort of an epidemic in reenactment and medieval recreation- just remember that assertions like this are largely ahistorical until proven otherwise.
Always informative and entertaining! Thanks Metatron!
OH .....And all of your various kit looks great!
congrats for the purchase! arming doublet and pauldrons looks great combined
I am very looking forward to a comparison of all 4 armors. I could watch a 40min video of that ;)
Pleeeeeease make a review on the film: The Messenger, the story of Joan of Arc (1999). Armour changes in parts of the film, not sure about weapons, siege tactics seems cool but don't know if real. Please review it as you did with The King. 😎👌
Very cool. I know you are coming to the States eventually. I hope you can finish your knight plate set before you make the trip. I would love to see a video of you trying to pass by the metal detectors in an airport in full armour, placing an arming sword, mace and shield on the scanner conveyor next to everyone else's keys and wallets. It could be high comedy as long as you do not get arrested.
Its funny that you should mention the Forge Of Sven because I'm actually going to be order a full set of 16th Century Italian plate harness from them soon and they looked good but in the back of my head i wondered if their stuff really was good. I'm happy to hear that it is. Thank you Metatron :)
Hey meta I was seeing if you could do a video on Roman Cavalry helmets . Keep up the good work
Outstanding craftsmanship... I love the fine polishing of the plate elements as much as the symmetry of the design. Would be perfect for a Moorish or late 15th century English harness of the War of Roses...
By the way... You won't find many sources for Moorish plate armour of the late Nasrid period...
Those looks great i think they are the perfect size to use Them in a light kit
Also in the days, when armors had been used, there had been men at arms or poor knights, or the younger sons of knights and nobllemen or richer nonnoble town citizens, who used an armor consisting of old and new pieces mixed together.
@Metatron definitely heed what Tobias Capwell said about some configurations being for foot and others for mounted combat. Unless you plan on doing riding or jousting in your armour it's probably better to make sure you're having a foot harness created for you or as he found out it's apparently not comfortable.
Will be interesting to see how things progress. :3
Hi Metatron, what is your favorite kind of tea?
It's spaghetti. 😆
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Good it will be complete soon
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So, how has your time with Exanima been?
I will admit I don't know if you continued playing it or not.
(I'm also interested in what you will think of the upcoming Thaumaturgy system.)
@@LurkerDaBerzerker Is that game still being updated? I guess it's more of a tech demo than a complete game, isn't it?
Tainted Myth0s Not really, Exanima is a prequel set twenty years before the beginning of Sui Generis.
The closest Exanima gets to being a "tech demo", is that every new system and function added to Exanima is also meant to work for Sui Generis.
(This is why the "Role System" and other major functions take so long to develop.)
Metatron is probably going to show us his full armor before Lindybeige does.
I wear one piece, steel spaulders with my airsoft gear (spray painted in Olive Drab). I need to fashion a better way for them to attach to a military chest rig. But in terms or comfort they aren't a problem at all.
Here's a question I've wondered. Did samurai ever wear shoulder plates that segmented downward? Most samurai shoulder plates I see are segmented upward but I was just curious if they were ever constructed downward.
Its 1 am and i am going to sleep, but just this video 😂
Do you prefer the shiny armor look, or Matte finished armor?
I have a question related to roman scorpions. How where they carried? I had an argument of whether they were carried by teams of 8 soldiers like the tent or by carriage? I argue that by the men as they are relatively human sized. Yes you would have a 2mt log on your back but that wasent the norm as all parts where not that size.
I like those shoulders, they look very specialized for swing attacks, and they look completely useless protecting your front from stabs, (which is why you are trying to acquire your more full armor). ,,, How do you feel the total outfit would be with those shoulders?? would you rely on a shield and your stance to keep your arms safe from stabs? Or would you have maille sleeves and hope that because your arms move, stabs won't penetrate the sleeves like they might penetrate a stab to the chest, where your stance and aggression might make you very stable against an impact?? (same for arrows and such, and with arrows, perhaps the shoulders would still work from the front more.) ,,,, so I think those shoulders might not be designed for someone who will be fighting in a line, and instead are for perhaps a guard, who can more easily avoid stabs, and will want to be protected from slashes and swings to allow THEM to stab when the opponent tries to swing. Roman armor is probably more specialized for a soldier who plans to hold a line and take everything from the front, while in a shoulder-width, forward stance. (like they might run forward suddenly)
Metatron have u played, The Cursed Crusade on xbox 360, if so, what do think about the armor and weapons being accurate for its time period ?
can you mix parts of different armor sets ?
I mean, I feel the Samurai helmet has the best protection without hindering sight or breath, Knights have great middle body protection as in chest-stomach-groin-back-shoulders-upper arm-and thighs, and finally the for the Roman set you can have grieves- shield - and lower arm protection.
I prefer swordbreaker pauldrons, looks smexier and provides more protection.
Hi Metatron. Which you reviewed the battle tactics, armor, swords, etc, etc, from HBO's Rome. Hard to believe you haven´t done so, even though I saw you using images from that show on other videos (like on the video debunking The Eagle)
The shoulders look good for several different types
It's too small. It has to be at least the size of Mk IV space marine power armour before we even start to take you seriously. Paulderons are more important than even helmets, they are everything,
I've considered Forge of Svan before but because they're outside the EU, I hesitated. How did customs treat your package, were there any issues importing it?
For some reasons the customs didn't stop any package from the Forge of Svan so far. I have no idea why
@@metatronyt I am not going to complain about that. They do look to produce very good stuff at prices most of Europe can't compete with.
oh you wanna hear my opinion? here it is. i want that armor :D
Are you goig to get some mail sleeves to cover up the caps in the armor? Thats the onlybig thing that bugs be, to see a full beatifully made suit of armor, but the gaps are not covered whit mail at all, and showin the canvas or arming garment underneath rendering the armor pretty useless overall...
hey metatron where did you get that arming doublet from?
As far as i know the katana was used mostly as a cutting weapon, and that is just not good enough against plate armor. Longsword is remarkably pointy, made for thrusting which can be effective to strike through armor gaps. So assuming same skill level kinght would have armor and weapon advantage.
gj megatron
Will our boy Metatron be getting involved in some Bohurt with his armour? Would love to fight against you (I'm joining the Irish team once I can afford armour and get some gains haha).
2:31 is straight out of lord of the rings
What do u think of polish hussars armor it was basicly Roman style along with the helmet
Can you make one day a video on byzantine's armors? Please!
You should make a video of how to measure yourself for an armor suit
Yooo, how you doing, Metatron?
curious, what would be cheaper to produce, sets of knight torso armor, or sets of lorica segmentata? and which is cheaper to make in lower quantities?
Shape in the sense that they are a Bandit Buy another term for that would be pulling the armor off the Corpse of a Deadman on a Battlefield
If you need any real measuring tools I can send you everything you need man, just let me know. Awesome video as ever. 😀
I'd love to see the sparring he does.
When the stats are too good to pass up
Anyone know where i could purchase a nice Greek spear? It will be the start of my collection so i need a decent one.
You can try at Celtic Web Merchant, they got a nice Greek spear
@@pedromoreira455 Thanks man i'll have a look
You're one of the cool professors, aren't you?
I Hope so ;)
very nice!
Very segmentata stuff
Well your Japanese sode are standard tosei sode that you can find on okashi gusoku as well.
Other styles included design very similar to those European models you are wearing, so curved and designed to rest on the arms, with attachment to the top as well to the bottom to keep them in place:
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Your hair is cool
Nice.
Meratron, why did European style full plate never fly on other parts of the world?
Said whom ? Have you seen the nanban do gusoku or ottoman armors ?
Wtf are you talking about? Mail, scale, brigandines, plate literally made it's way to all iron age civilizations. If you're talking about why the Gothic, and Milanese style armor didn't proliferate.
It's probably one of these two things
1. Improvements in steel production methods capable of making huge amounts steel much quickly and in greater quantities was discovered in Europe at the late medieval periods.
2. They weren't cheap to buy and were highly prized. So most armor sets were tailor made for the wearer. There were cheaper munitions grade plate armours but they were primarily used to armor European army since only European Smith's were capable of making huge peices of plate. But there were also some exceptions
there actually was also the ottoman empire they also produced their own plate armors, and some samurai breastplates are also made of solid plates.
It was mostly just a matter of economics and their capability to produce such armors and not because the style didn't "fly" elsewhere
Is your lorica segmentata personalised so it rests on your Hip?
And as far as i know there is extra arm armor from Roman Times. One of the Legio XXI Rapax is wearing one
Looks like you are using samurai armor very often :-)
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Reporting for duty!!😂
Johan Öhgren hmm 🤔 same name as my middle name
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Here we go😊 let's go!
Your hair fits so well with all of your world
Chinese armour? Interesting! Is it Qing era brigandines or something else?
I presume you bought these because the store labeled them 'Late 15tg century Italian'. In which case I regret to inform you that it's actually a lie. No spaulders of this kind show up in late 15th century Italy.
Even the store page themselves state that the item these are based on is the armour of Kaspar von Frundsberg. Which is... decidedly 16th century German and not 15th century Italian.
His armour, and the spaulders that belong to it, are quite typical for german armour around 1510-30 or so. The re-creation from the forge is not a replica, but it also emulates this style.
I have no idea why they market them as 'Late XVth Italian', but it is a complete lie
The order the order ! Hahahaha
isn't 1.5 mm a bit thick for arm armour? UwU
I think for sports/reenactment fighting 1.5mm is quite reasonably safe. Especially with modern hardened spring steel.
For historical accuracy... Yeah you could do fine with 'lighter' gear.
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100$ each or combined
Combined
Why always compare the one already conquered a lot of foreign land, foreigners, different cultures, influences vs a small island that fighting each other.
This is stormwind armor
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how does it compare to pasta era italian armor?
Get an armet helmet
No that is rlly quite cheap.