In a pinch you can also use the pump from a Coleman lamp. Did it yesterday. Cheap rubber gasket failed (probably made in China) and town is 250 miles away. We live in Coldfoot Alaska . Tried a leather pump from a big old stove that had other problems but it was too long, although it could have worked in a pinch. Since its spring and mostly daylight now I tried a lamp pump and it works great. Boys just left with 16 dogs to go caribou hunting for a couple weeks while the old grump (me) stays to keep the home fires burning! Coleman stoves have been the standard for Alaskans for many years!
Pinned your comment to the top so people will see it and know! I used Coleman stoves camping in Boy Scouts, but that was in Upstate NY which isn't nearly as brutal as Alaska! Glad you found the video and thanks for the comment!
I picked up an old stove at a yard sale. The pump rubber seal was rotted. I bought the new kit but was confused on assembly. This was a perfect demo on how to do it. Thank you so much for posting. It was very helpful.
Thanks for your helpful video! I have a very new Coleman and the pump failed. I opened it up and the plastic ring had folded over, so I was able to rejig it, put it back together and then it worked. Possibly I was too rough with the pump 🤔 Your video was very helpful, thank you!
Ok camping in Algonquin and just fixed my pump seal on my 413G with oil off my car dip stick! Stopped working completely rubbed it with a few 'dips'. Seal swelled up and worked. Cheers on this video for inspiration. Ian
I thought of the same thing, the leather is probably better. I did try and oil it before replacing it and it was just too far gone. I think it shrunk too much to make a good seal.
@@StevesGarage Yeah, that's common after sitting for years. If you soak it in oil for a few min with it spread open, it should work like new for a few more years. I use neatsfoot oil, but any non vegetable, light oil works ok. The neoprene cups are ok, but aren't as easy to restore once they lose their original shape. I have a lot of Coleman stuff. When I get one with a neoprene cup, the first thing I do is make and install a leather one. But I'm admittedly a bit OCD and getting old. A bad combination, I'm told...... haha!
Personally, I am not a fan of the new neoprene seal pumps (rubber). The leather will dry and shrink on the old ones but rarely wears out. Soaking them in Neatsfoot Oil usually brings them back to life. After soaking, turn them inside-out for an hour or so. Reinstall and they are generally fine for years to come as long as you oil from time to time. Coleman used to sell the leather cups. There are folks that still sell them. Once the rubber ones dry up, they are done and usually chip,
That's good to know! It makes sense that you can revitalize the leather, but it's not something I thought about when I did this repair. Makes me wish I saved the old one. Though now that I know this maybe I'll try to buy a leather as a spare to have.
It takes some yanking with the pliers, but it will come off once you deform it enough. Vice Grips might help if you can't get it, then you don't have to concentrate on holding and pulling, you can just lock them in place and yank.
Very helpful. I'm wondering if the old seal might be refurbished just by lubricating it with some new oil? It's been about 10 years since I last used my stove.
Thanks! It's absolutely possible that you might be able to salvage the seal, but being how cheap it was for a full replacement I figured I'd just replace it. Especially because you have to take it apart either way.
Motor oil is hygroscopic. The interior of the tank will sweat with temperature changes thereby creating moisture that the seals will absorb and eventually cause rust. Better to use a high grade machine oil when lubricating the seals.
Good call, especially depending on where the stove is stored. Mine is stored in my basement so I'm not as worried about moisture in the tank, but if it's stored anywhere outside that could be a concern.
While technically true, the moisure in the tanks is from the air being compressed in it, not the oil on the leather. It is, just like an air compressor because it IS an air compressor. Oil less compressors collect water in their tanks too.
Niceeffort. The leather on the old pump is what is rotted and not allowing pressure to build up. The pump is a simple plunger device. Replace the leather piece and possibly the retaining clip holding it on and oil it. Ebay part and cheap.
I'm here cause I need a new pump but it's $15. I've used the propane generator and it's a nice alternative. So instead of replacing/rebuilding my pump I decided to lube and reuse the existing leather pump. THe leather has holes and is a bit raggedy but once worked with new oil, it's pumping again. Think that will do, have the pump for gas and if it fails, the propane generator is there. Too bad there is not a replacement for the leather but I'm thinking it the old can't be seperated from the pump.
Definitely cool that you got the leather seal to work again, and have the propane as a backup. I haven't had any issues with my newer rubber seal, so even for $15 I don't think it's a bad product. You might even be able to find a generic seal piece from a good hardware store.
Thank you very much for your demonstration on how to do this. I thought the clip had to be turned in order to unscrew what was holding it in a different about to get a screwdriver to give it more torque to turn it counter clockwise. Something told me to check youtube. Thanks again for taking your time to share your knowledge. BTW as you know there is public discussion about people "NEEDING" TICTOC. Why is this, in your opinion, does TICTOC have that RUclips doesn't? I love RUclips and have many years of learning and laughing because of YT. I invite your and others on your channel to Educate me on this. Anyone who is slightly educated must know that TT is owned and operated by the Communist Chinese government who is not a friend of free people around the world and already called on kids to call their elected congressman to support a particular bill. Kids then did so and even threatened to commit suicide if they didn't! The CCW has a direct feed into there young and easily manipulative minds. And not just the young but older people who buy into the BS and lies of mass media. Again as you are a RUclips creator and me not ever using TICTOC, I don't know what I am missing on this issue, and I hope you or any of your commentators can help inform me. Thanks again for helping me not destroy my coleman stove.
Glad it helped you out! Keeping these old units alive is awesome. As for TT, I can't give you my opinion on it because I don't use it. I don't have an account to view or post anything.
Yup! There are definitely a couple of things it can be, but when I saw the leather cup was worn I wanted to start there since it's inexpensive and simple to do!
@@StevesGarage I didn't mean a different plan for you. I meant as a tip for other people. For me, the problem with my used mdl-414 purchase was almost worn plastic pump cup that I'm replacing with new leather. Then the previous owner broke the static mixer spring in 3 pieces with 1 piece missing and made up the missing length with a small cardboard tube. I removed the cardboard and worked the spring parts to the exit end. The needle valve bar is a tight enough fit that the spring pieces don't move. Having an engineering degree with specialty in fluid mechanics and heat transfer, I find the whole device fascinating!
@@karens2020 Do you have a different style pump than what I replaced in the video? You do need the spring. The only thing that is removed/destroyed is the small lock washer thing. Then the new one slides on in it's place.
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In a pinch you can also use the pump from a Coleman lamp. Did it yesterday. Cheap rubber gasket failed (probably made in China) and town is 250 miles away. We live in Coldfoot Alaska . Tried a leather pump from a big old stove that had other problems but it was too long, although it could have worked in a pinch. Since its spring and mostly daylight now I tried a lamp pump and it works great. Boys just left with 16 dogs to go caribou hunting for a couple weeks while the old grump (me) stays to keep the home fires burning! Coleman stoves have been the standard for Alaskans for many years!
Pinned your comment to the top so people will see it and know! I used Coleman stoves camping in Boy Scouts, but that was in Upstate NY which isn't nearly as brutal as Alaska! Glad you found the video and thanks for the comment!
I picked up an old stove at a yard sale. The pump rubber seal was rotted. I bought the new kit but was confused on assembly. This was a perfect demo on how to do it. Thank you so much for posting. It was very helpful.
Glad you found it helpful and you can get the old stove up and running! They're excellent units.
I’m in the same boat as you right now. Lol
Thx, Just bought a almost brand new Coleman 550, and got a faulthy 442 with it for free. With your help I now have 2 working stoves. Great!
Awesome! It seems pretty common that people buy stoves and never use them. Glad the video helped, enjoy the stoves!
Thanks for your helpful video! I have a very new Coleman and the pump failed. I opened it up and the plastic ring had folded over, so I was able to rejig it, put it back together and then it worked. Possibly I was too rough with the pump 🤔 Your video was very helpful, thank you!
Glad it helped! These stoves are great, even if the pump and tank can be a little finicky.
Ok camping in Algonquin and just fixed my pump seal on my 413G with oil off my car dip stick! Stopped working completely rubbed it with a few 'dips'. Seal swelled up and worked. Cheers on this video for inspiration. Ian
Glad it's working again! They're great stoves, have fun camping!
Dude! That leather was in GREAT shape. Just needed oil. You do this stuff long enough, you'll be wishing that leather one was still on there.
I thought of the same thing, the leather is probably better. I did try and oil it before replacing it and it was just too far gone. I think it shrunk too much to make a good seal.
@@StevesGarage Yeah, that's common after sitting for years. If you soak it in oil for a few min with it spread open, it should work like new for a few more years. I use neatsfoot oil, but any non vegetable, light oil works ok. The neoprene cups are ok, but aren't as easy to restore once they lose their original shape.
I have a lot of Coleman stuff. When I get one with a neoprene cup, the first thing I do is make and install a leather one. But I'm admittedly a bit OCD and getting old. A bad combination, I'm told...... haha!
@@mikemorgan5015 Good to know about neatsfoot! If I ever get my hands on more old Coleman stuff I'll be sure to keep the leather!
Thanks for the info and great video now I’ll repair my vintage copper Coleman fuel pump stove! 👍
Awesome! These old stoves are great, anything to keep them working!
Personally, I am not a fan of the new neoprene seal pumps (rubber). The leather will dry and shrink on the old ones but rarely wears out. Soaking them in Neatsfoot Oil usually brings them back to life. After soaking, turn them inside-out for an hour or so. Reinstall and they are generally fine for years to come as long as you oil from time to time. Coleman used to sell the leather cups. There are folks that still sell them. Once the rubber ones dry up, they are done and usually chip,
That's good to know! It makes sense that you can revitalize the leather, but it's not something I thought about when I did this repair. Makes me wish I saved the old one. Though now that I know this maybe I'll try to buy a leather as a spare to have.
Thanks for the simple video, straight to the point! I just used this to swap out my pump.
Glad it helped! Get all that camping equipment ready for the summer!
@@StevesGarage Haha, you guessed it!
Very helpful and informative video thank you
You got it! Glad it helped, thanks for the comment.
This was soooo much help dude! Thank you so much!
I'm glad it helped! Thanks for the comment!
Thank you Steve, good video.
+mark F Glad I was able help you out!
Thank you, very helpful.
Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment!
Very helpful. Thank you for making this video!
You got it, glad it helped!
Thank you for the video.
You're welcome!
How did you get the silver metal peice that butts up to the leather. Mine will not budge.
It takes some yanking with the pliers, but it will come off once you deform it enough. Vice Grips might help if you can't get it, then you don't have to concentrate on holding and pulling, you can just lock them in place and yank.
Very helpful. I'm wondering if the old seal might be refurbished just by lubricating it with some new oil? It's been about 10 years since I last used my stove.
Thanks! It's absolutely possible that you might be able to salvage the seal, but being how cheap it was for a full replacement I figured I'd just replace it. Especially because you have to take it apart either way.
Motor oil is hygroscopic. The interior of the tank will sweat with temperature changes thereby creating moisture that the seals will absorb and eventually cause rust. Better to use a high grade machine oil when lubricating the seals.
Good call, especially depending on where the stove is stored. Mine is stored in my basement so I'm not as worried about moisture in the tank, but if it's stored anywhere outside that could be a concern.
While technically true, the moisure in the tanks is from the air being compressed in it, not the oil on the leather. It is, just like an air compressor because it IS an air compressor. Oil less compressors collect water in their tanks too.
Can i use a 425 gas tank in a 424?
I don't have experience with the 424, but I believe you can. I think the 424 was a dual fuel stove, while the 425 was only white gas.
@@StevesGarage Yes it is, thank you! i cant really get white gas in my country thats why i cant fit a 425 gas tank in the 424
Thanks
You're welcome!
Thanks it helped
Awesome, good to know this video is still helping people out. Enjoy the stove!
Thank you
You got it!
Niceeffort. The leather on the old pump is what is rotted and not allowing pressure to build up. The pump is a simple plunger device. Replace the leather piece and possibly the retaining clip holding it on and oil it. Ebay part and cheap.
That's what I did in the video? No need for ebay, I was able to find it in stock at my local walmart for under $10.
I'm here cause I need a new pump but it's $15. I've used the propane generator and it's a nice alternative. So instead of replacing/rebuilding my pump I decided to lube and reuse the existing leather pump. THe leather has holes and is a bit raggedy but once worked with new oil, it's pumping again. Think that will do, have the pump for gas and if it fails, the propane generator is there.
Too bad there is not a replacement for the leather but I'm thinking it the old can't be seperated from the pump.
Definitely cool that you got the leather seal to work again, and have the propane as a backup. I haven't had any issues with my newer rubber seal, so even for $15 I don't think it's a bad product. You might even be able to find a generic seal piece from a good hardware store.
Thank you very much for your demonstration on how to do this.
I thought the clip had to be turned in order to unscrew what was holding it in a different about to get a screwdriver to give it more torque to turn it counter clockwise. Something told me to check youtube. Thanks again for taking your time to share your knowledge. BTW as you know there is public discussion about people "NEEDING" TICTOC. Why is this, in your opinion, does TICTOC have that RUclips doesn't? I love RUclips and have many years of learning and laughing because of YT. I invite your and others on your channel to Educate me on this. Anyone who is slightly educated must know that TT is owned and operated by the Communist Chinese government who is not a friend of free people around the world and already called on kids to call their elected congressman to support a particular bill. Kids then did so and even threatened to commit suicide if they didn't! The CCW has a direct feed into there young and easily manipulative minds. And not just the young but older people who buy into the BS and lies of mass media. Again as you are a RUclips creator and me not ever using TICTOC, I don't know what I am missing on this issue, and I hope you or any of your commentators can help inform me. Thanks again for helping me not destroy my coleman stove.
Glad it helped you out! Keeping these old units alive is awesome.
As for TT, I can't give you my opinion on it because I don't use it. I don't have an account to view or post anything.
There's also a chance for a stuck check valve at the bottom of the air pump. In your case, the leather cup did look warn.
Yup! There are definitely a couple of things it can be, but when I saw the leather cup was worn I wanted to start there since it's inexpensive and simple to do!
@@StevesGarage I didn't mean a different plan for you. I meant as a tip for other people. For me, the problem with my used mdl-414 purchase was almost worn plastic pump cup that I'm replacing with new leather. Then the previous owner broke the static mixer spring in 3 pieces with 1 piece missing and made up the missing length with a small cardboard tube. I removed the cardboard and worked the spring parts to the exit end. The needle valve bar is a tight enough fit that the spring pieces don't move. Having an engineering degree with specialty in fluid mechanics and heat transfer, I find the whole device fascinating!
can't remove the pump washer.
Are you having a problem removing the little retaining washer?
@@StevesGarageNot sure what it's called, but there are three of them under the endpiece.
@@karens2020 If they're under the end pieces holding the pump seal in place they'll be replaced by new parts. They have to be destroyed to be removed.
@@StevesGarage So that spring in the kit is not necessary because if you try to pry all those off to put in a spring they are all destroyed.
@@karens2020 Do you have a different style pump than what I replaced in the video? You do need the spring. The only thing that is removed/destroyed is the small lock washer thing. Then the new one slides on in it's place.