Honestly you didn't say anything wrong, yes could of said it better, but I didn't take it as a racist comment. Anyhow I'm still enjoy your content and continue to watch your videos. Your a good person.
His initial point wasn't good. It was more like a dig or trying to catch knee out/painting him as a villain (figuratively speaking). Not a great way at all to start a serious debate if that's What he wanted
@@optimusprime5166 i wouldnt even say it's easy. it's beyond mentally draining. people always up in your business. always being watched. people always talking about you. comes at a heavy price
RUclips is also social media though. The problem is not using social media, it's generally what you use it for. If you use it to express political leanings, your love life, relationships with friends, family etc. then of course everyone's bound to know your business or feelings.
Honestly I think that this is just one big misunderstanding fueled by the internet. I think TMM seemed kind of aggressive with his first tweet, and knee probably took it the wrong way (especially with the language barrier). Then when TMM got frustrated and said something stupid on stream, which people then took out of context to make him look really horrible. This in turn led to the entire Korean tekken scene getting angry, as no one really understood each other from the beginning
Yeah bro honestly like people always find ways of causing chaos on social media purposefully and and get someone else in trouble. Its hard having fame online
The fighting game community: "Dude trash talk is just part of the scene, if you can't handle someone straight up verbally assaulting you to your face in a way that anywhere else would get them punched then you don't belong in the community. Get thicker skin and learn to let things go, its all in good fun" Also the fighting game community: *The biggest names in the scene will literally throw a twitter tantrum if you express an opinion they don't like and hold a grudge forever* Just because someone is good at a game doesn't mean they deserve respect or are in any way a smart person. People in the FGC act like winning a match against someone means their thoughts on public education reform are now invalid if they disagree with them.
knee was complaining about guest characters , tmm sarcastically replies ridiculing knee's complaining, knee tells him that he's a scrub and should shut up. tmm gets too butthurt cries on stream saying knee is childlike, and ppl would follow him if he said that he's a nazi, and say that the korean scene is the ugliest and dirtiest scene in the world based on experiences that go back as far as a decade... he said is not was... I wonder who is the dumbass here? it certainly isn't knee.
I got into Tekken 7 because Noctis was in it. As a Final Fantasy fan I wasn't really a Fighting games fan, so I decided I'd buy Tekken and try out Noctis, and I absolutely loved how he played and felt, they had kept most of his signature moves from FFXV so the way they implemented the royal arms and his warp strike amazed me. So I kept playing Noctis a bit to learn fundamentals and after 40 hours of playtime, I had started shifting between him and Bryan Fury in Ranked and Normal play and honestly I'm having a blast. So as of right now I'm like 100 hours in. It's crazy for me the way a guest character brought me in the Tekken community and made me appreciate Fighting games more, so I have to agree with you on here, TMM. I'd love if they do the same they did in this game with Tekken 8!
Amine Barbouch Yessss that is the whole point of guest characters to make the new players come over and to make the current players who also love other genres happy
i think knees first opinion to remove all 2D characters in Tekken8 isn't bad at all. As an old School tekken player, you want to have Tekken back at it was (like tekken 3-5). At least the characters. If i want to play 2D characters, i fucking play street fighter man. With all these OP Characters like Geese and Akuma, it just doesnt feel like Tekken anymore. not like old times.
But you don't play fighting games as some Dress-up Hentai pr0n sims, you know. You play them as... fighting games. If you pick a character who just looks "cool", you are doing smth wrong. At least pick a character that is easy to play for you or the style you prefer, if you don't want to pick best current-state chars That being said, those guest characters dont belong in Tekken and they will be removed in T8 anyway. nobody will miss them
@The Tyro of Toriyama The hell do you mean, MK11 has some of the worst ugly looking characters. If I want to see a realistic man I'd rather go on instagram. I'd rather have a generic anime lookin character rather than seeing uninspired "Kevin from California" looking faces.
@The Tyro of Toriyama honestly every female in tekken is somehow the most beautiful woman to live instead of having any personality all or being any different from the other
Imagine being a 36 year old man calling someone who played the same game as you for 20+ years a "scrubmam" because he thinks guest characters aren't inherently bad. That's a man-child right there.
This is probably one of the best apology videos I've ever seen. He explains what happened, shows what he did wrong, apologizes for messing up, all in a 10 minute video. This is how apology videos should be.
The main thing I would ask is, would you say those things again in a different way, or would you rather you never said them in the first place? If it's the former, don't apologise. If it's the latter, then probably apologise because it just slipped out. It comes down to intent and if he didn't intend to say it in that way then he has nothing to apologise for lol
You have earned my upmost respect for being the bigger man here and going out of your way to explain your POV. It's sad that things get treated so poorly due to social media being such a cesspool environment but I'm glad you are continuing to be yourself. Keep up the good work you've earned my support.
Korean is a language with a very different structure, EVERYTHING you say loses tone, and everything he says to you does as well. Sarcasm doesn't work in google translate, also not commonly used in asian languages in the first place.
I don’t speak or understand Korean, but in Asain languages yea sarcasm, or at least in text, doesn’t work very well. In Japanese you can tell when someone is being sarcastic when spoken to but not in text.
Its hard to convey sarcasm in all text it doesnt matter which language and even if knee was being sarcastic its still pretty odd if not rude.. i dont think it was sarcasm due to the response tmm got. Actions have consequences even if he was sarcastic he sent tons of people too go after and talk shit to tmm..
I don’t see a problem with his point thats the mainstream point that’s been going on since the beginning. Tekken legacy hardcore conservative 3D fanboys that preach about “soul of Tekken” vs Tekken unga boonga lovers and 2D guest character enjoyers.
@@Hazza101 it just came off as condescending. Doesn't mean you have to reply with an even more condescending statement. I love Knee, was an inspiration on the Tekken scene. But now I'm starting to have doubts about his maturity.
"I did nothing wrong" then says "Korean are the ugliest and nastiest..." the apology kinda went down the hole... felt more like he was feeling the pressure to me, and did the least he could to salvage his reputation.
I mean, there's irony somewhere around here.... Leffen imo, was WORST, as he purposely and dishonestly called the entire Tekken community as toxic all because: he was getting trolled during online matches for he was criticizing the game and had a few toxic comments about him in Tekken subreddits *(which some btw, were in the thread of a now deleted clip of him telling people in chat to kill themselves when they were trying to help him in Tekken)* . Most people on Twitter and tekken heads like TMM and K-Wiss, defended Leffen.. Here, TMM called *A* scene in Tekken community the ugliest and the dirtiest (offensive, I admit) cuz of past scandals, and people jump on him in a matter of minutes. Just saying, where was all this energy for Leffen? Idk, maybe I'm bugging.
Adrian, You’ve been putting out tekken content for over a decade and the amount of respect I have for you is immeasurable, make no mistake you are a monumental pillar of this community and it wouldn’t be the same without you.
Knee cant even speak english and insults you directly while your point was justified even though you said it kinda sarcastically. Knee is on the fault here and the way he acted like this because tTekken community praised him SO MUCH that he thinks himself as a god. I don't think you arent the one who should apologize
Imagine disagreeing with someone in the Tekken community. Tbh didn't think Knee would react this cringy. Guess being good at nothing but video games hunts you in your dreams.
@@TheTruth-mv7hm Yes, so normally as a rolemodel you try to act decent instead of telling people to shut up no? x) Just because you are someone doesn't mean u can act like a diva and tell people they should shut up after giving their opinion. Imo ofc^^
Well, basically just like TMM when he yelled at chat few weeks ago because they talked about DJ b4 not reaching at blank point, instead of ”speaking” to it to argue the contrary, or the Miriio drama and K-Wiss clash because no one is perfect. Or even the many tiny stories that started because he spoke often in a very doubtable way, like the female characters topic, he dislikes them at the point he did ask for their removing from the game few years ago, that never really fainted even today. We can say that Knee is acting like a diva, but if he does, TMM does it even better if you ask me. Both are humans, and Twitter is wild, to me the way it went is just usual, the way it escalated ain’t so surprising if you look at it, TMM responded in a pretty condescendent manner to Knee, I mean, that’s the way it looked, and that’s how Knee felt it, so whatever at this point, the way Knee answered was cringy, but TMM is more often cringy on his stream and RUclips, and much more disliked in comparison for reasons, that’s why you could even see pretty popular Tekken influencers sidding to Knee, like Aris.
@@Anonymous-dg5je I agree with what u're saying, but I simply didn't expect Knee to act like a diva. It was quite the surprise since, yknow, normally "the best player in the world" wants the community to be clean from toxicity instead of joining it, imo ofc. Just didn't expect Knee to act like that is all tbh.
@@gasaiv2 Didn’t expected it either lel, but oh well, that’s just gonna stop soon I suppose, we’ll see next year lf there will be a new 2D character or a new cool guest or a new cool Tekken character, I hope for the third option personnally, I don’t like guests so much, it’s just there for one game then it never comeback in the sequels.
That is exactly why I only go to look, I never really interact with anyone. You have a good take or bad take, it no longer matters anymore; you will be in some shit.
Not just twitter its the problem of online communication in the last years which also drops into normal society slowly. Its only black and white and every word is taken 100% serious without any compromises. Thats why i dont start streaming or going public in any form, since people search for misunderstandings and take everything personal. I dont even care if someone says german tekken players are something. Irony, sarcasm, facial and body expressions are not taken into consideration so the most important part of communications are left out.
@@bingoelue12 it doesn't matter what context that was in unless you were quoting someone else lmao. The context only matters for explanation purposes but it doesn't make what he said any less wrong.
My guy I hope you're just taking time to yourself and not allowing opinions to alter your peace. This game makes you happy. This is a pure passion project. Don't allow people who take themselves way to serious to alter your purity. HUGE FAN, best wishes, sending love your way!!!!
@@iimduu9287 They're just jealous because MM has a huge following and they don't. While they are amazing players they have no charisma to carry a channel. Truth hurts.
And not even being able to say what was wrong about it aside from the fact that it was insensitive. Also you can kinda tell when his pride/ego gets hurt and he doesn't handle it well. Hence why the comments on the stream were made and why he has to outwardly show that he is brushing off the fact that he got "owned".
tmm didn't handle this maturely. he can't lie and say that he actually believes knee hates guest characters, but loves broken characters. everyone knows knee only used guest characters to demonstrate his point. tmm wanted to be smart and make a counterpoint by nitpicking on the word choice "guest characters". knee in fact stated he is fine with guest characters that do not break the game (like noctis and negan). there is no way tmm actually thought knee is okay with broken characters that are not guest characters. tmm's very first reply was a smartass reply to begin with. (but here tmm is pretending that he was only wrong on the 2nd part. he even said he was expecting an intelligent debate??? tmm was being a smartass from the start. i bet knee was disappointed by tmm's reply first.) in addition, it's the same overused argument that has silenced the efforts of those trying to balance the game for ages. when tmm drops it like that, not knowing how many players knee watched quit the game, saying it's okay cause 6 million who joined later don't care, it pisses you off. u gotta feel disappointed and actually feel tmm is a scrub by trying to promote the opposite. also, apparently, this was just the trigger. i read that knee was already unhappy that tmm made fun of korean players' english and also used their clips without asking and that this final tweet was just the trigger.
I think its pretty hard to get this kind of answer from someone you used to admire, and of course when you stream for hundreds of persons some of them are gonna miss understand some of your words, if we add to that the fact that you were tired, had a bad day and being dissappointed, its really easy to make an error. (Sorry if my english is bad) You have all my support, take care!
What a relief seeing someone being a grown up in such a silly situation. Giving your view, apologizing for what you think you made wrong, trying to move past this asap.
Don't need to. Twitter is filled with many stupid people thinking they're some hotshot that needs to be taken seriously. Twitter nowadays is just good for NSFW content. Even then only small few of it is good quality, rest are garbage. On other note, Reddit is the same.
@@NormalHatter that's where you are wrong tho,I made a bunch of nice people in Twitter why do y'all keep mentioned Twitter is toxicity? Did y'all forgot the good guys still existed
@@samderochefort5489 i never said anything about them being good or bad idc if they are good or bad, i accept both, and most of the "good" tend to be sensitive asf to a lot of shit, and i said they have bad takes on reality bruh like they sound like some of the laziest people ive ever seen
I made some jokes at your expense, but I gotta say, you handled this well. I won’t do that anymore as that was quite immature on my part. Tbh, you weren’t wrong about the Korean Tekken scene. I’m Korean myself and man, the whole Nin drama was awful. Then there was the whole Kkokkoma and Knee situation. Also, I think Knee should’ve been more concise with him being salty about the 2D characters, not guest characters in general. But all in all, guest characters bring the hype, so we know why Bamco does it.
Tell us about the Nin drama. 😀 Had alot of respect for Nin during the T5 days, no idea why people have been talking shit about him the last couple of years. 🙂
@@GORO911 he was basically a bully but one that can back it up and because he was a big name in the Korean Tekken scene he had power and he abused it, discouraging young upcoming players and basically dividing the FGC at the time. He did so much fucked up shit though
Yeah I was thinking that too, that response was kinda aggressive, but I also see why Knee could feel upset. TMM's response was clearly very sarcastic. He said he was hoping for a debate, but initiating it with a sarcastic comment can definitely seem more like an attack or a troll comment
@@ResonantNewt Kill this narrative now, they never claimed to be angels and if you believed them to be then that's on you. Just because the Korean and Japanese pros know how to act and behave in public, like any other adult of any ethnic background, doesn't mean that they're not human.
@@blvckgucci LOL, for being upset for this tweet you should be a psycho, I can't see the offense in TMM'S tweet, are you trying to justify your "God" Knee?
Nothing but love for you bro the fact you responded and peaceful shows where your heart is and it is for the game and the players alike. There will always be people who take things out of context and or amplify a situation or even an opinion. Keep on throwing the electrics Mainmanswe
Honestly Mainman, your wording in your tweet did not give off a “let’s debate” tone. It’s because when people usually say “Yes, let’s...” it is supposed to be very condescending. So when I read it, I hear it in my head in that way. That is why it was seen as more of an attack towards him rather than a debate invitation. Also Knee shouldn’t have dismissed and insulted you but, you also needed to change your wording to better show that you wanted to debate. Maybe: “Why remove them instead of balance them?” Or “Why? You’d be taking away such cool characters from the Tekken community”
I agree with SWE c'mon guys 7 million+ copies sold only 10 of u can actually play this game everyone else plays for fun with hopes of being the best its just a fighting GAME calm down enjoy it!!
There are many factors that influence on sales. One of this, possibility buy tekken 7 through steam. PC gaming is well spread in many countries. I and our local tekken community play tekken7 on the PC, because of pandemic all tekken tournaments online (only pc). Moreover, pc has many advantages (mods, use any gamepads and etc.). If I have possibility play tekken 5dr on pc, I will prefer tekken 5 dr than 7. In addition, I know about emulators.
I like Knee as a Tekken Player. However, you can't help but feel a bit distasteful when you see him responding to a perfectly harmless comment in such an aggressive and insulting way.
@@youeggs7128 who cares if it's childish that isn't the point the original comment made lmaoo even if it is childish you don't even know if he was ALSO being sarcastic like mainman was. These are all "grown ass men" playing a fighting game they played as kids for a living. So this "grown ass men" conversation is completely irrelevant lol
@@Jonathan-cz4ky Shut up scrubman Nah but in all seriousness, it was between them. We have no business calling TMM racist or talking shit about Knee. Back in the day, shit talking was way worse than this. Its really a staple of the FGC. Its just that esports has made the community soft.
Knee: _"I _*_hope_*_ Guest Character disappears next time."_ TMM: _" _*_Yes, let's rob_*_ 6 million people of cool guest characters"_ Well, who is being passive aggressive?
Don't blur the point, you bastards. Knee just gave his opinion. But Mainman took that tweet and have a dig at knee first. Knee don't like mainman for his behavior and has endured it for a long time. Mainman laughed at Knee's English pronunciation and stole videos to generate profits and always supported the other side of Knee. Yesterday TMM compare knee's fan to Nazi Don't just cover TMM up, criticize what you have to criticize, fucking TMM's fanboys
@@gomgom3317 Well, they both started the fight. Here the person who clearly took it personally has been Knee. There is already one person who apologized. The other person is missing. In any case, don't get into issues that concern the two of them. It's like wanting to defend someone in an action figure fight. What concerns here is that trash talk is a bad component for any community.
Alof of pro player doesnt rlly like tmm, it was just a matter of time when this gonna happen, im not rlly surprised tbh coz mainman said alof of shit in the past
I understand what you meant. This whole "drama" went way too far imo for no reasons, and the amount of childish reactions is unbelievable. Now the situation should just calm down. It's just a bad moment, it happens. Stay strong tmm
In some cultures they hate sarcasm, were "oh yeah lets just take out 2 characters from 6 mill people bcuz 2000 are not happy" can be taken as "how can you be so stupid as to not understand..." witch is kinda true, so the "scrubman, shut up" was just him taking offense and making a stand. I mean try to start a debate with sarcasm with someone you don't know IRL and see if that goes well..
This ain’t real life, this is something over Twitter. If this was something irl it’ll be easier to understand if someone was trying to be offensive or not. I get wym but just Bc someone responded to you with sarcasm over TWITTER, doesn’t mean it’s mature enough for you to call someone a scrub and tell them to shut up. Like don’t post something if you can’t take comments and replies. Simple
Pretty much this. I thought that reply to Knee sounded pretty snarky, especially when the guy doesn't know you too well. Hopefully they can move past this.
@lunaro I wouldn't say they hate sarcasm, but maybe have a different understanding of it. (or maybe it doesn't exist as much) I've spent a lot of tim in west africa and realised the same thing.
It was right to apologise, but he shouldn't have to be the one to feel blame or guilt over it. He received a lot of hate that was blown out of proportion for what little he said.
That's the intention of knee. He knew the clip and context, he put it up in spite of the context just so people can gang on tmm. All of this had nothing to do with the original point tmm was making. It's clear knee wanted him assassinated. I see why he's consider a dirty and ugly person now.
@@kratos2822 what he said was in a livestream completely seperate from the convo between him and tmm, and had nothing to do with knee himself or the question of guest characters. He was asked about the Korean fighting game community where he shared his opinions about their behaviour. Were blaming him cause he used the words ugliest and dirtiest, instead of "toxic", but at that point we're just crucifying a man cause of bad choose of words. And again, had nothing to do with knee or the conversation on twitter. Tmm didn't respond to knee by twitter what he said, so knee went out of his way to find something on tmm, and let it hanging there on twitter for tmm to be crucified. Knee needs to get his ass whoop in real life for that kind of stunt
I think you don't need to apologize cox you didn't say any thing wrong , you are one of the most calm and cool persons in Tekken community don't let your self down by some of these dushbags in chat.
I didn't see it, I don't care. You provide invaluable content to the Tekken community. Knee maybe took it out of context and as always fans went overboard. Keep being you TMM. Dorya! (x99)
I do think his opinions on this videos is right but you guys are missing something. Knee had already shown displeasure with tmm several times on his streaming. And they were about Tmm using combo’s and tournament videoes of knee and other players without any permission. Also he made fun of knee and other korean player’s (ex: cbm) english pronounciation and showed disrespect several times. Knee said he had a bone to pick going into this and tmm’s twit was the trigger. Point of knee’s opinion about guest character was 2d character’s system that were unfair in tekken not the whole guest characters themselves. Knee said he likes guest characters like noctis and negan since they fit well with the original tekken sysytem. This is based on what knee said on his streaming.
@@울프-h6c still does not give Scrupman the rights to talk trash about the whole Korean community. It was the Scrupman who got this out of hand by going from having a beef with a single player to an entire country's community. The one who truly did nothing wrong was Knee. He just stated his opinion on 2D chars (a completely valid opinion to boot). The Scrupman however blew this out of proportions by involving the entire Korean scene
@@wardogthreeisanidiot6561 yeah that’s the truth. And tmm didn’t apologize about nazi stuffs and several things that he said on the live. No respect at all
A big problem I see on a lot of "social" media sites is the fact a lot of people have no control over their emotions. Say something "wrong" and suddenly you can be an outcast or jumped by a mob online. Quite sad really.
Yes, TMM has provoked Knee by being sarcastic and stuff, but now he plays innocent. Like: "momma he kicked me, though I didn't do anything bad!!!" You should be respectfull from the first word, not the second. Respect for Knee for being direct and allowing no hypocrisy. Yes, twitter is a cursed place, you have to watch your every move there... Knee gud/TMM bad
@@redthalos I don't know. when I first saw the whole thing I laughed. "Lmao MainMan and Knee are memeing" It took me a solid second to realize that this is actually beef.
Knee wasnt even angry tbh. It'''s basically just a long version of "git gud" meme. Knee's opinion reflects the top players' experience of the game so TMM should've expected a git gud response. Because it's clear that geese and akuma are busted in terms of damage, frames etc. It's normal that pros would wish that.
@@qwteb Makes no sense. “Git gud” has very little to do with whether or not guest characters are inherently problematic in Tekken, which forms the basis for this entire argument. Considering that BM has shown multiple times in just about every Tekken game that they’ve made that they can fuck up balance consistently well regardless of guest characters, MainMan rightfully disagreed. How you’re getting “git gud” out of a tweet response that literally doesn’t mention skill level once is beyond me. Knee’s being a child and his rabid fanbase followed suit- that’s really all there is to this.
Or join them. If they are so powerful he should show the world the potential instead of complaining... Those characters won't get nerfed unless they get exposed consistently in Majors among the top 10.
@@Kortifex Dude when has knee played low tiers in tourneys? The guy mained bryan when he was op he has played top tiers in tourneys ,now JDCR rangchu they can be called low tier gods.
@@ElDrHouse2010 hes just a tekken boomer thats struggling to adapt so he does the classic boomer thing= whine and complain. Hes just frustrated that hes gettin left behind while others are catching up fast and overtaking.He should understand that tekken is just a game and its entertainment.
lmao TMM started this whole thing by writing a condescending, sarcastic, and all in all disrespectful comment in response to Knee, who merely expressed his opinion about non-traditional characters. Knee had every right to get toxic with this schmuck.
The truth is without the guest character u won't have 6 million plus fresh blood. For the Twitter part... I do believe dear Knee is being rude and childish.
It was a flawless explanation TMM. IIRC you did law school right? it served you well hahaha. IMHO this has been blown out of proportion, and some ppl (trolls probably) hoped in the bandwagon just to bash you without a reason... disgusting tbh. Anyway, stay awesome bro, grettings from Brazil.
Knee already had a bone to pick going into this, given that he's already expressed his displeasure with some of TMM's content about him before. On one of his streams he mentioned one of TMM's videos commentating on Knee playing Paul (it might have been vs Anakin or his TWT win vs Arslan), and misinterpreting TMM's swearing (saying that Knee is a "fucking monster" and things like that, as well as mentioning the fact that Paul is broken) as insulting him, due to his limited English. Also he took offense to the thumbnail of TMM's video about Leroy at EVO, where Knee and Arslan are drawn with their eyes crossed out like they're "dead". He then proceeded to say that he had never seen TMM at any high level tournaments and that he hadn't seen any indication that he's a good player. So that's probably what led up to the "scrupman" comment.
I was thinking this was the case, coz you won’t call someone you’re not close with a “Hella scrupman” out of the blue just because he made an argument. That was just so immature and I wasnt expecting it to come from knee. They might’ve hated mainman before this even happened and are using this situation to let it all out. I lost all respect for knee because of this tbh.
Sad to see someone as senior as knee in the community stoop so low like this. TMM's always got a slightly pessimistic/toxic vibe going on so this is kinda expected but not so much from knee. Eh well, its always better to separate a pro's work/talent and the person themself. I mean hey everyone's human right? Just cause a person might not be mature enough or nice natured doesnt mean you cant appreciate the beauty of their work.
@@monibrahman3141 AFAIK Knee has had beef with several people in the past including JDCR for one of the shittiest reasons ever (who i have never heard have an argument with or a grudge against someone). There's also the shady past of the korean tekken scene with Nin though i dont know the level of knee's involvement. Tbf he is a veteran and one of the older tekken pros. There may have been some sort of intercultural misunderstanding that led up to this(and cuz TMM is generally a negative personality) but you would expect a 35 year old person to have a bit more tact and maturity. Unfortunate that thats not the case.
Welcome to the Internet 2.0. People behave like children. Other children love it. Nobody is having a productive conversation. With that being said, as objective as i'm trying to look at all of this: i lost every bit of respect i had for Knee.
If in 2020 being called a scrub is enough to cause an uproar then the FGC is waaaay too soft......trash talk happens all the time in competition....its nothing personal......main mans response made it personal.....but to his credit he apologized
@Zayed Goki fgc is soft...being called scrub caused mainman to do a 5 hour stream......really ??? but im out of my mind ? lolol was knee ''wrong'' for calling him a scrub sure I will give you that ...but who snowballed it and made things way worse ?? if you watch the video above there is your answer #Charmin
I never comment under videos ever, but let me say this if it wasnt for you I would have never been so invested into tekken and its rich history, cause you have knowledge and see things from a casual and High Level Eye. And you would never bend your opinion to please everyone. What those Elitist dont get its people like you who grow the playerbase and contributing that the series will not die. Seeing them on twitter hoping for you to get canceled gives me the biggest urge to facepalm. Just keep doing what you do Mainman and know people like me always appreciate it MASKU!
The 2D characters should've been completely reworked for tekken and Harada basically exported from their original settings, which was a big mistep. Removing guest characters all together is just dumb.
I certainly agree with your first sentence. If Bandai Namco were adamant about going down the route of including guest characters from other fighting game franchises, then they should have adapted them to play as proper Tekken characters.
Main man, I’ve watched you grow your account from 3k subs to to what you currently have all from the love that you have of this game. You were playing revolution when the community was really small and we’re giving valuable insight on the game when nobody else was stepping up to do so. You are a certified OG in the space. To see someone like Knee act condescending to you shouldn’t bother you. That man may be one of the best in the game but his comment should show you how brittle he is as a person. I can tell your response was one out of retaliation because his comment hurt you. You don’t owe knee or anyone of them an explanation nor should you ever feel insulted by their remarks. Trust us. We’re here to back you. I was watching Anakin stream and he was baffled by your hourly charge rate on T7. He like many others, whether they care to admit it or not, are jealous. I know it sounds like a cheap shot at them but their own entitlement has gotten to the best of them. I think because they play at the highest level they feel entitled to have the worthiest opinion. He was saying “I could never do that to my subscribers” but all I was reading was “Wow, he’s actually charging that!” No one cares. I know I don’t. You have built the single largest community in the space. I know because I’ve seen it develop from the beginning. I know the effort you’ve put into it. Which is why I’m partly offended for you. I’m going to close this off with a final statement. I’ve seen Anakin and I’ve seen Knee. What I haven’t seen them do is contribute a fraction to the space that you have. Much love Ps. Knee’s like 5’4 so he can stfu with all of that tough talk. Bitch.
I just found about this today. You have nothing to worry about man. His tweet answering you was fucking childish. And them calling you racist? Jesus christ, these guys should be fined or some shit for saying such bs.
Saw people go crazy on twitter, trolls were having a field day adding so much unrelated stuff to their tweets to diss everything and everyone, then thankfully Ernesto from Button Check clarified what went down with a time line then I was like.... oh so Knee and TMM did not run outside naked together going full GTA mode on random civilians .... so where is the problem? Great you done this to clear everything up...hopefully we can get back to actual gaming now and everyone can start showing a lil love to each other😇😇
@MainManSwe: Don’t let what knee said affect you man, I know you respected him before all this. He was wrong to lash out like that, period. Know that the reason people lash out is because they’re angry and miserable; he is most certainly one of the two. Knee was my favorite Tekken player up until now but that is no longer the case. Yeah he’s a good player but I value character as a far higher priority: Which you have in spades and I respect that. Wishing you and the family well sir.
Very mature and I agree with basically everything, especially your view on the guest characters. The fundamental problem though and the reason Knee responded the way he did is because your tweet came across as passive aggressive. It did not come across as constructive dialogue, I love TMM but even I felt like there was a bit of a "dick jab" thrown in that tweet.
It wasn't a dick jab though its his opinion, did you watch the whole stream? He always says its his own opinion knee just took it to heart because they can't understand English properly
@@echo8168 Adrian says its just another point of view (I don't have time to watch 4+hr streams just a smidge when I drop in) but even as someone born with the language it clearly looks like a passive aggressive statement. He's using sarcasm in a way that doesn't come across as light-hearted banter. No wonder Knee felt insulted.
@@liambrown3249 commenting on just a smidge not the full context of what he was saying just judging him of a clip is pretty sad dont you think? It was quite passive aggressive i agree but he wasn't throwing any bones out there it was just his opinion
How is it robbing 6 million people when it's only a wish for T8 from Knee? It's not like 6 million people already pre-ordered T8 including those guest characters. Didn't TMM wish for 25 characters for T8? wouldn't that be robbery if there were no guess characters in those 25 characters? It's only robbery if they deleted all the guest characters in T7 in next patch. But if they disappeared in T8, like Negan, it's not robbery, cuz he's only a guest, not part of the story.
Yeah true. In my opinion TMM should have just stated facts instead of sarcasming through it. He made a good point here shouldve just said that. With knee however i dont know i guess he was hurt? Although on the other hand TMM's did have a point but the way knee took it is not that well received.
@@FallenAngel2k02 how tf does the SC community come out looking the best in this scenario? Literal waifu builder and stuff. You'd think itd be the most degenerate but its actually the nicest community I've seen.
Respect, dude. I'm a 20+ year Tekken player from the old school and I appreciate your Tekken way of being. People need to step off and enjoy the game more. For context, I used to spam the TZ boards like none other. . . Except Devil Kazuya.
Actually man, you got it backwards: calling a scene dirty or whatever was not wrong, but your condescending tone in your first tweet was. there is a way to start a debate, and that wasn’t it. but, you got what you had coming from Knee, and it should’ve ended there. Chanel was just being extra at the end.
All this really disappointed me. In fact the guest characters stuff is a detail, Knee behaved like a 14 year old and all the people who hate Mainman for telling the truth about their favorite character in the past have jumped at the chance to harass him and try to cancel him. I unfollow a lot of people yesterday, many figures from the community dropped their balls, sided with Knee and pretended not to understand what Mainman said about the Korean scene (which is completely true for those who are informed and that Knee's behavior confirms)
I do think some of his opinions on this videos is right but you guys are missing something. Knee had already shown displeasure with tmm several times on his streaming. And they were about Tmm using combo’s and tournament videoes of knee and other players without any permission. Also he made fun of knee and other korean player’s (ex: cbm) english pronounciation and showed disrespect several times. Knee said he had a bone to pick going into this and tmm’s twit was the trigger. Point of knee’s opinion about guest character was 2d character’s system that were unfair in tekken not the whole guest characters themselves. Knee said he likes guest characters like noctis and negan since they fit well with the original tekken sysytem. This is based on what knee said on his streaming.
Unfortunately we live in a world where people want to cancel you over any little mistake or misstep. Nobody is perfect and the fact that you hold yourself accountable(even if I personally don't think you did anything particularly untoward) just goes to show why many people feel you are THE face of the Tekken community. Even if that's not what you want, you are our People's Champ. I think I can speak for all of your fans when I say; We Love You, and Thank You So Much! We appreciate your maturity and we respect your ability to recognize your mistakes. We know you did not genuinely mean any harm and if you insist upon apologizing, we accept with open arms. All is forgiven. Also Adrian, let's hope that maybe Knee was joking around and trying to be sarcastic and it just came across in the worst way as well. If he was being serious, then he's a real jerk for that, and the legions of people screaming for your head and jumping on the bandwagon just because Knee said something are the real scrubs. They are a bunch of lovely people who despite their best efforts will never make the podium at their local scene in NowhereVille Ohio, and if one of their heroes blames 2D characters, for balance issues then by god that must be the reason they suck so bad right?! Rant over. Sorry, maybe that's a bit much, but I think it's safe to say that we your fans have minds of our own and know the difference between well informed players and people who just take someone's opinions as facts.
Huh, that explains all the mean comments I kept reading about in the subreddit. But yea I must agree, I absolutely love guest characters and they tend to give games a bit more flavor ya'know. And I really appreciate how mature TMM was about the whole situation, it's really rare for anyone to be like this nowadays.
I do think his opinions on this videos is right but you guys are missing something. Knee had already shown displeasure with tmm several times on his streaming. And they were about Tmm using combo’s and tournament videoes of knee and other players without any permission. Also he made fun of knee and other korean player’s (ex: cbm) english pronounciation and showed disrespect several times. Knee said he had a bone to pick going into this and tmm’s twit was the trigger. Point of knee’s opinion about guest character was 2d character’s system that were unfair in tekken not the whole guest characters themselves. Knee said he likes guest characters like noctis and negan since they fit well with the original tekken sysytem. This is based on what knee said on his streaming.
@@울프-h6c I mean I wouldn't really know that since I don't watch Knee and don't really watch TMM often since he goes live when it's the middle of the night were I'm at but when I do I don't watch the whole stream. This is where I don't have much to say because I'm more clueless than others when it comes to what's going on and I only know as far as what I see on the subreddit and what TMM has said in his video. So really I don't have the right to talk here other than to just express what I think from the little knowledge I know.
Everyone should delete their twitter accounts. That place is a dumpster fire.
Agree. All social media accounts
Honestly you didn't say anything wrong, yes could of said it better, but I didn't take it as a racist comment. Anyhow I'm still enjoy your content and continue to watch your videos. Your a good person.
Agree
Really no point, it's just an echo chamber for the left leaning commies, who love to censor free speech.
*except Reddit...*
If you love debating. dont do it on twitter
People will disingenuously ignore your point and call you a colonizer or a bigot.
@@HarmonicResonanceScale everyone turns into Hitler or Stalin on Twitter if they disagree with the mob.
His initial point wasn't good. It was more like a dig or trying to catch knee out/painting him as a villain (figuratively speaking). Not a great way at all to start a serious debate if that's What he wanted
@@HarmonicResonanceScale remember when tmm was "racist" for calling leroy op lmfao
@@ProfessorSnack what, loooooooool
My life is so blessed without social media accounts. I’m just a spectator. Watching all the drama
Your right, I dont have social media either. But it could be a good thing to use. Especially if you tryna make it big in life the easy way.
@@optimusprime5166 i wouldnt even say it's easy. it's beyond mentally draining. people always up in your business. always being watched. people always talking about you. comes at a heavy price
Sure, but you wouldn't grow as a person that way
RUclips is also social media though. The problem is not using social media, it's generally what you use it for. If you use it to express political leanings, your love life, relationships with friends, family etc. then of course everyone's bound to know your business or feelings.
ill use whatsapp tho and it is also a social media and its helpful espeacially for my online class
Honestly I think that this is just one big misunderstanding fueled by the internet. I think TMM seemed kind of aggressive with his first tweet, and knee probably took it the wrong way (especially with the language barrier). Then when TMM got frustrated and said something stupid on stream, which people then took out of context to make him look really horrible. This in turn led to the entire Korean tekken scene getting angry, as no one really understood each other from the beginning
Yeah bro honestly like people always find ways of causing chaos on social media purposefully and and get someone else in trouble. Its hard having fame online
Please search on RUclips "saltspamswe" so you can learn how a fucking disgrace TMM is to the tekken community
This 💯
The fighting game community: "Dude trash talk is just part of the scene, if you can't handle someone straight up verbally assaulting you to your face in a way that anywhere else would get them punched then you don't belong in the community. Get thicker skin and learn to let things go, its all in good fun"
Also the fighting game community: *The biggest names in the scene will literally throw a twitter tantrum if you express an opinion they don't like and hold a grudge forever*
Just because someone is good at a game doesn't mean they deserve respect or are in any way a smart person. People in the FGC act like winning a match against someone means their thoughts on public education reform are now invalid if they disagree with them.
Good point exactly just cos they are good at something doesnt mean they are right on everything else.
wisdom 101
That crowbcat video aged like a fine wine
*ASIANS
knee was complaining about guest characters , tmm sarcastically replies ridiculing knee's complaining, knee tells him that he's a scrub and should shut up. tmm gets too butthurt cries on stream saying knee is childlike, and ppl would follow him if he said that he's a nazi, and say that the korean scene is the ugliest and dirtiest scene in the world based on experiences that go back as far as a decade... he said is not was... I wonder who is the dumbass here? it certainly isn't knee.
I love guest characters and I disagree with what elbow said.
I'm disagree
Elbow lol. Wouldn't it be great if there were players named after other joints. Knuckle or shoulder maybe?
I agree
Elbow😂😂
@@twistedthumbv2 theres an sf player called knuckledu
That was a very mature response to the whole situation.
Except he monetized it lol, apart from that i mostly agree
Maybe too mature for this community.
@@MultiDannyboy1995 let the man eat
@@MultiDannyboy1995 lmao making money bad
@@MultiDannyboy1995 What’s wrong with monetizing his time towards his hobby. What do u do for free? Everything? How do u live man?
I got into Tekken 7 because Noctis was in it. As a Final Fantasy fan I wasn't really a Fighting games fan, so I decided I'd buy Tekken and try out Noctis, and I absolutely loved how he played and felt, they had kept most of his signature moves from FFXV so the way they implemented the royal arms and his warp strike amazed me.
So I kept playing Noctis a bit to learn fundamentals and after 40 hours of playtime, I had started shifting between him and Bryan Fury in Ranked and Normal play and honestly I'm having a blast. So as of right now I'm like 100 hours in.
It's crazy for me the way a guest character brought me in the Tekken community and made me appreciate Fighting games more, so I have to agree with you on here, TMM. I'd love if they do the same they did in this game with Tekken 8!
Same with me and Geese man...
Amine Barbouch Yessss that is the whole point of guest characters to make the new players come over and to make the current players who also love other genres happy
Welcome to Tekken, the best fighting game IMO
Fuck Cocktis and the 2D characters! I can't wait to see the back of them!
i think knees first opinion to remove all 2D characters in Tekken8 isn't bad at all. As an old School tekken player, you want to have Tekken back at it was (like tekken 3-5). At least the characters. If i want to play 2D characters, i fucking play street fighter man. With all these OP Characters like Geese and Akuma, it just doesnt feel like Tekken anymore. not like old times.
"Shut up scrupman"
"Korean scene is dirty"
Seems like some pretty tame comments for people to be complaining about.
Yep, didn't think it was that big of a deal even when I read it
@Mr Mistah Well yeah except this time the twitter mob decided to sperg the fuck out and go after tmm, calling him racist and other stupid shit.
@@WambwneD well deserved
@@WambwneD Twitter was a mistake.
@@sydneynoname413 lol fck cancel culture
That reply from knee was so immature lol
C'mon just bow to the god..He can do that he is the best..he is allowed to be proud of himself
I like Knee, but I agree with TMM. I choose a cool character over the happiness of some pros any day.
Heyyyy I'll drink to that.
But you don't play fighting games as some Dress-up Hentai pr0n sims, you know. You play them as... fighting games. If you pick a character who just looks "cool", you are doing smth wrong. At least pick a character that is easy to play for you or the style you prefer, if you don't want to pick best current-state chars
That being said, those guest characters dont belong in Tekken and they will be removed in T8 anyway. nobody will miss them
@Victor Strang based take
fuck the FGC
@@KNIGHTCleric bro ill play whoever the fuck i want.
Haha fuck pros. Listening to them is what killed overwatch.
My biggest problem with guest characters is that Tifa isn't one of them
Tifa is bae 💖
im good every female on the roster is cheese asf i dont want another
@The Tyro of Toriyama The hell do you mean, MK11 has some of the worst ugly looking characters. If I want to see a realistic man I'd rather go on instagram. I'd rather have a generic anime lookin character rather than seeing uninspired "Kevin from California" looking faces.
@The Tyro of Toriyama honestly every female in tekken is somehow the most beautiful woman to live instead of having any personality all or being any different from the other
And kiryu chan
I'm with the mainman here, this whole thing turned out being a fine example of demagoguery and mob mentality.
Yeah if you're a Jin main you know mob mentality
Scrubman, shut up will ya?
Imagine being a 36 year old man calling someone who played the same game as you for 20+ years a "scrubmam" because he thinks guest characters aren't inherently bad.
That's a man-child right there.
@@CGoody564 Low Tier God Much? 🤣
@@CGoody564 i am not english, what does scrub man mean?
This is probably one of the best apology videos I've ever seen. He explains what happened, shows what he did wrong, apologizes for messing up, all in a 10 minute video. This is how apology videos should be.
I am glad Jotaro has his back.
The main thing I would ask is, would you say those things again in a different way, or would you rather you never said them in the first place? If it's the former, don't apologise. If it's the latter, then probably apologise because it just slipped out. It comes down to intent and if he didn't intend to say it in that way then he has nothing to apologise for lol
You have earned my upmost respect for being the bigger man here and going out of your way to explain your POV. It's sad that things get treated so poorly due to social media being such a cesspool environment but I'm glad you are continuing to be yourself. Keep up the good work you've earned my support.
Korean is a language with a very different structure, EVERYTHING you say loses tone, and everything he says to you does as well. Sarcasm doesn't work in google translate, also not commonly used in asian languages in the first place.
interesting
Also a very good point to make.
I don’t speak or understand Korean, but in Asain languages yea sarcasm, or at least in text, doesn’t work very well. In Japanese you can tell when someone is being sarcastic when spoken to but not in text.
Why this comment doesn't have more like? Finally a good comment here
Its hard to convey sarcasm in all text it doesnt matter which language and even if knee was being sarcastic its still pretty odd if not rude.. i dont think it was sarcasm due to the response tmm got. Actions have consequences even if he was sarcastic he sent tons of people too go after and talk shit to tmm..
Your point was that the problem is not that they are guest character, it's that they're busted, and I agree. Leeroy isn't a guest character, yet..
I don’t see a problem with his point thats the mainstream point that’s been going on since the beginning. Tekken legacy hardcore conservative 3D fanboys that preach about “soul of Tekken” vs Tekken unga boonga lovers and 2D guest character enjoyers.
The yet part shouldn't be there, since he's an original Tekken character lel
@@10_Bit It's more intended as "yet he's still hated and broken"
@Hari Ng Rebound yeah but most people would agree that he's still too strong, and shouldn't be able to do everything so well.
This is a good point but this is seperate to his point.
Respect to TMM for holding his ground where warranted and for apologizing where necessary.
This reminds me of the time where Knee started beef with JDCR because JDCR always preferred playing on P1 side.
and because jdcr didn't accept his revenge match lol. knee is a childish bitch if u ask me.
@@mr.leroysmith7012 ngl your profile pic makes your comment ironic
@@fleuret94
Leroy might be a lil bitch but he is a cool bitch
@@fleuret94 what about now is it still ironic?
@@mr.leroysmith7012 I don't remember what you said
Knee: Guest bad
TMM: They're cool
Knee: Scrupman
Knee fanboys: OoOoOo ScRuPmAn
Just like kindergarten
Exactly, lmao
@@Hazza101 it just came off as condescending. Doesn't mean you have to reply with an even more condescending statement. I love Knee, was an inspiration on the Tekken scene. But now I'm starting to have doubts about his maturity.
Nice comment furry dude
@@orthusbased9665 knee is very immature lmao everyone has known this for a while, they guy is good at tekken but in the head he’s a little kid
this is a debate between tmm and knee. why others joined too? f twitter
very sincere and mature apology mainman, real man shit
"I did nothing wrong" then says "Korean are the ugliest and nastiest..." the apology kinda went down the hole... felt more like he was feeling the pressure to me, and did the least he could to salvage his reputation.
@@lunarocitygang8817 i mean he was talking about the Korean tekken scene not Korean people in general, although i do agree he shouldn’t have said it
@@lunarocitygang8817 he was saying the competive scene can be ugly and it isn't just a humble friendship contest everytime.
It's not that serious.
I mean, there's irony somewhere around here.... Leffen imo, was WORST, as he purposely and dishonestly called the entire Tekken community as toxic all because: he was getting trolled during online matches for he was criticizing the game and had a few toxic comments about him in Tekken subreddits *(which some btw, were in the thread of a now deleted clip of him telling people in chat to kill themselves when they were trying to help him in Tekken)* . Most people on Twitter and tekken heads like TMM and K-Wiss, defended Leffen..
Here, TMM called *A* scene in Tekken community the ugliest and the dirtiest (offensive, I admit) cuz of past scandals, and people jump on him in a matter of minutes.
Just saying, where was all this energy for Leffen? Idk, maybe I'm bugging.
Adrian, You’ve been putting out tekken content for over a decade and the amount of respect I have for you is immeasurable, make no mistake you are a monumental pillar of this community and it wouldn’t be the same without you.
Knee cant even speak english and insults you directly while your point was justified even though you said it kinda sarcastically. Knee is on the fault here and the way he acted like this because tTekken community praised him SO MUCH that he thinks himself as a god. I don't think you arent the one who should apologize
TMM speaks English fluently, he should have realized his tweet sounded very condescending and rude.
What the fuck is with you guys being psycho analyzers evaluations Knee’s mental state basing on a twitter interaction, go outside
I mean, with a sarcastic and rude comment, scrupman was not so bad right?
@@iskaroth How was he rude? I keep seeing that but I genuinely don't see it?
@nG I DoMe freedom of speech taken to the max doesn't work in asia
Imagine disagreeing with someone in the Tekken community. Tbh didn't think Knee would react this cringy. Guess being good at nothing but video games hunts you in your dreams.
You don't know him in real life you only see him on the internet
@@TheTruth-mv7hm Yes, so normally as a rolemodel you try to act decent instead of telling people to shut up no? x) Just because you are someone doesn't mean u can act like a diva and tell people they should shut up after giving their opinion. Imo ofc^^
Well, basically just like TMM when he yelled at chat few weeks ago because they talked about DJ b4 not reaching at blank point, instead of ”speaking” to it to argue the contrary, or the Miriio drama and K-Wiss clash because no one is perfect. Or even the many tiny stories that started because he spoke often in a very doubtable way, like the female characters topic, he dislikes them at the point he did ask for their removing from the game few years ago, that never really fainted even today.
We can say that Knee is acting like a diva, but if he does, TMM does it even better if you ask me. Both are humans, and Twitter is wild, to me the way it went is just usual, the way it escalated ain’t so surprising if you look at it, TMM responded in a pretty condescendent manner to Knee, I mean, that’s the way it looked, and that’s how Knee felt it, so whatever at this point, the way Knee answered was cringy, but TMM is more often cringy on his stream and RUclips, and much more disliked in comparison for reasons, that’s why you could even see pretty popular Tekken influencers sidding to Knee, like Aris.
@@Anonymous-dg5je I agree with what u're saying, but I simply didn't expect Knee to act like a diva. It was quite the surprise since, yknow, normally "the best player in the world" wants the community to be clean from toxicity instead of joining it, imo ofc. Just didn't expect Knee to act like that is all tbh.
@@gasaiv2 Didn’t expected it either lel, but oh well, that’s just gonna stop soon I suppose, we’ll see next year lf there will be a new 2D character or a new cool guest or a new cool Tekken character, I hope for the third option personnally, I don’t like guests so much, it’s just there for one game then it never comeback in the sequels.
Scrupman? Thats not being owned, thats like a 5 year old's insult
The entire Twitter userbase is just an online daycare, it's hard to not get frustrated with the drones who use it.
t. Dude on youtube comment section
That is exactly why I only go to look, I never really interact with anyone. You have a good take or bad take, it no longer matters anymore; you will be in some shit.
TMM juz a clown
Not just twitter its the problem of online communication in the last years which also drops into normal society slowly. Its only black and white and every word is taken 100% serious without any compromises. Thats why i dont start streaming or going public in any form, since people search for misunderstandings and take everything personal.
I dont even care if someone says german tekken players are something.
Irony, sarcasm, facial and body expressions are not taken into consideration so the most important part of communications are left out.
Bruh I went on twitter just to see the happy news for Becky Lynch a WWE Wrestler and their were some people hoping for a miscarriage.
We all gota thank TMM for giving a lot for this community.
No one is perfect. You are TheBraveManSwe for apologizing
It's true
@@zuzuzip4533 exactly
@@zuzuzip4533 moking a whole group of people, generalizing them to all be disrespectful and fake is doing something wrong.
@@burni988 Out of context... did you even watch the video?
@@bingoelue12 it doesn't matter what context that was in unless you were quoting someone else lmao.
The context only matters for explanation purposes but it doesn't make what he said any less wrong.
Just never go on Twitter, it's a dangerous and cursed place...
Mostly. You can find good friends if you search hard enough.
It’s dangerous if you go in with the wrong mindset
Twitter is toxic
Filled with onlyfans 😂
This is why I never go to Twitter.
RUclips is toxic, but not like Twitter
Once you go in. There's no way out
My guy I hope you're just taking time to yourself and not allowing opinions to alter your peace. This game makes you happy. This is a pure passion project. Don't allow people who take themselves way to serious to alter your purity. HUGE FAN, best wishes, sending love your way!!!!
Honesty and maturity is hard to come by these days, kudos man
Knee on Twitter: "Shut up Scrupman!"
Korean Scene: 🤦🤦🤦
except everyone went after tmm
Let’s be honest I think half the people that went after TMM was waiting for a good reason to trash the dude
@@iimduu9287 They're just jealous because MM has a huge following and they don't. While they are amazing players they have no charisma to carry a channel. Truth hurts.
@darkblue didn't know knee has simps
@darkblue so how much does knee pay you to be his yes man or do you do that for free?
Good job handling this maturely.
By stereotyping the whole Korean tekken society as dirty? I don't think that's considered mature bro
And not even being able to say what was wrong about it aside from the fact that it was insensitive. Also you can kinda tell when his pride/ego gets hurt and he doesn't handle it well.
Hence why the comments on the stream were made and why he has to outwardly show that he is brushing off the fact that he got "owned".
@@pisagornt3350 not to mention mocking/impersonating them and calling them all fake.
@@burni988
You're thinking too hard, he was just annoyed his chat was getting nuked
tmm didn't handle this maturely. he can't lie and say that he actually believes knee hates guest characters, but loves broken characters. everyone knows knee only used guest characters to demonstrate his point. tmm wanted to be smart and make a counterpoint by nitpicking on the word choice "guest characters". knee in fact stated he is fine with guest characters that do not break the game (like noctis and negan). there is no way tmm actually thought knee is okay with broken characters that are not guest characters. tmm's very first reply was a smartass reply to begin with. (but here tmm is pretending that he was only wrong on the 2nd part. he even said he was expecting an intelligent debate??? tmm was being a smartass from the start. i bet knee was disappointed by tmm's reply first.)
in addition, it's the same overused argument that has silenced the efforts of those trying to balance the game for ages. when tmm drops it like that, not knowing how many players knee watched quit the game, saying it's okay cause 6 million who joined later don't care, it pisses you off. u gotta feel disappointed and actually feel tmm is a scrub by trying to promote the opposite.
also, apparently, this was just the trigger. i read that knee was already unhappy that tmm made fun of korean players' english and also used their clips without asking and that this final tweet was just the trigger.
I think its pretty hard to get this kind of answer from someone you used to admire, and of course when you stream for hundreds of persons some of them are gonna miss understand some of your words, if we add to that the fact that you were tired, had a bad day and being dissappointed, its really easy to make an error.
(Sorry if my english is bad)
You have all my support, take care!
"Don't meet your heros"
"What's up guys MainWomanNor here hoping you're doing awesome as always"
move over arslan ash, mrsplaystuff is the most iconic nina player
What a relief seeing someone being a grown up in such a silly situation. Giving your view, apologizing for what you think you made wrong, trying to move past this asap.
Gj main man, I dont even have a Twitter acount yet, but this doesn't make me feel like I need it. Social media can be awful sometimes I guess.
Don't need to. Twitter is filled with many stupid people thinking they're some hotshot that needs to be taken seriously.
Twitter nowadays is just good for NSFW content. Even then only small few of it is good quality, rest are garbage.
On other note, Reddit is the same.
@@NormalHatter and some memes as well, ngl. the 100k liked posts that have bad takes on reality are the ones that have the funniest replies lol
@@NormalHatter that's where you are wrong tho,I made a bunch of nice people in Twitter why do y'all keep mentioned Twitter is toxicity? Did y'all forgot the good guys still existed
*Get ready for the next battle*
@@samderochefort5489 i never said anything about them being good or bad idc if they are good or bad, i accept both, and most of the "good" tend to be sensitive asf to a lot of shit, and i said they have bad takes on reality bruh like they sound like some of the laziest people ive ever seen
I made some jokes at your expense, but I gotta say, you handled this well. I won’t do that anymore as that was quite immature on my part. Tbh, you weren’t wrong about the Korean Tekken scene. I’m Korean myself and man, the whole Nin drama was awful. Then there was the whole Kkokkoma and Knee situation. Also, I think Knee should’ve been more concise with him being salty about the 2D characters, not guest characters in general. But all in all, guest characters bring the hype, so we know why Bamco does it.
Lmao if you made jokes then you don’t know tmm
Tell us about the Nin drama. 😀
Had alot of respect for Nin during the T5 days, no idea why people have been talking shit about him the last couple of years. 🙂
GORO911 It’s been known for a long time. Read up here. www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=107004
@@GORO911 he was basically a bully but one that can back it up and because he was a big name in the Korean Tekken scene he had power and he abused it, discouraging young upcoming players and basically dividing the FGC at the time. He did so much fucked up shit though
@@jaycha4983
Oh
Tekken Zaibatsu.
Miss the old days.
Thought no one visits that site anymore after RUclips and Reddit became the hubs for Tekken. 🙂
I have the same reaction as you TMM when knee respond like that kinda suprise his respond like that
They aren't the angels we believed they are
Yeah I was thinking that too, that response was kinda aggressive, but I also see why Knee could feel upset. TMM's response was clearly very sarcastic. He said he was hoping for a debate, but initiating it with a sarcastic comment can definitely seem more like an attack or a troll comment
@@ResonantNewt Kill this narrative now, they never claimed to be angels and if you believed them to be then that's on you. Just because the Korean and Japanese pros know how to act and behave in public, like any other adult of any ethnic background, doesn't mean that they're not human.
@@jamessummers5936 Asian culture does it a lot more than the others, they care a lot about the judges
@@blvckgucci LOL, for being upset for this tweet you should be a psycho, I can't see the offense in TMM'S tweet, are you trying to justify your "God" Knee?
Nothing but love for you bro the fact you responded and peaceful shows where your heart is and it is for the game and the players alike. There will always be people who take things out of context and or amplify a situation or even an opinion. Keep on throwing the electrics Mainmanswe
Honestly Mainman, your wording in your tweet did not give off a “let’s debate” tone.
It’s because when people usually say “Yes, let’s...” it is supposed to be very condescending. So when I read it, I hear it in my head in that way.
That is why it was seen as more of an attack towards him rather than a debate invitation.
Also Knee shouldn’t have dismissed and insulted you but, you also needed to change your wording to better show that you wanted to debate. Maybe:
“Why remove them instead of balance them?”
Or
“Why? You’d be taking away such cool characters from the Tekken community”
I agree with SWE c'mon guys 7 million+ copies sold only 10 of u can actually play this game everyone else plays for fun with hopes of being the best its just a fighting GAME calm down enjoy it!!
*6million*
but less than 1% play it actively and probably 50% of thosse players don't like to play (against) Akuma or Geese.
There are many factors that influence on sales. One of this, possibility buy tekken 7 through steam. PC gaming is well spread in many countries. I and our local tekken community play tekken7 on the PC, because of pandemic all tekken tournaments online (only pc). Moreover, pc has many advantages (mods, use any gamepads and etc.). If I have possibility play tekken 5dr on pc, I will prefer tekken 5 dr than 7. In addition, I know about emulators.
I like Knee as a Tekken Player.
However, you can't help but feel a bit distasteful when you see him responding to a perfectly harmless comment in such an aggressive and insulting way.
Oh shut the hell up bro LOL what the hell about calling the dude "scrubman" is aggressive?
@@Jonathan-cz4ky he's a grown ass man on twitter calling someone "scrupman" because he doesn't agree with an opinion, that's pretty damn childish ...
@@youeggs7128 who cares if it's childish that isn't the point the original comment made lmaoo even if it is childish you don't even know if he was ALSO being sarcastic like mainman was. These are all "grown ass men" playing a fighting game they played as kids for a living. So this "grown ass men" conversation is completely irrelevant lol
@@Jonathan-cz4ky Shut up scrubman
Nah but in all seriousness, it was between them. We have no business calling TMM racist or talking shit about Knee.
Back in the day, shit talking was way worse than this. Its really a staple of the FGC. Its just that esports has made the community soft.
Knee: _"I _*_hope_*_ Guest Character disappears next time."_
TMM: _" _*_Yes, let's rob_*_ 6 million people of cool guest characters"_
Well, who is being passive aggressive?
Lost a bit of respect for Knee ... thought he would be the last person to "insult " someone cuz of an opinion or SKILL
It was a typo he meant to say swagger of a black teen manswe
Don't blur the point, you bastards.
Knee just gave his opinion.
But Mainman took that tweet and have a dig at knee first.
Knee don't like mainman for his behavior and has endured it for a long time.
Mainman laughed at Knee's English pronunciation and stole videos to generate profits and always supported the other side of Knee. Yesterday TMM compare knee's fan to Nazi
Don't just cover TMM up, criticize what you have to criticize, fucking TMM's fanboys
@@gomgom3317 Well, they both started the fight. Here the person who clearly took it personally has been Knee. There is already one person who apologized. The other person is missing. In any case, don't get into issues that concern the two of them. It's like wanting to defend someone in an action figure fight. What concerns here is that trash talk is a bad component for any community.
Alof of pro player doesnt rlly like tmm, it was just a matter of time when this gonna happen, im not rlly surprised tbh coz mainman said alof of shit in the past
You lost respect for someone by memeing??? Mainman called out an entire community lmao
I understand what you meant. This whole "drama" went way too far imo for no reasons, and the amount of childish reactions is unbelievable. Now the situation should just calm down. It's just a bad moment, it happens. Stay strong tmm
In some cultures they hate sarcasm, were "oh yeah lets just take out 2 characters from 6 mill people bcuz 2000 are not happy" can be taken as "how can you be so stupid as to not understand..." witch is kinda true, so the "scrubman, shut up" was just him taking offense and making a stand.
I mean try to start a debate with sarcasm with someone you don't know IRL and see if that goes well..
This ain’t real life, this is something over Twitter. If this was something irl it’ll be easier to understand if someone was trying to be offensive or not. I get wym but just Bc someone responded to you with sarcasm over TWITTER, doesn’t mean it’s mature enough for you to call someone a scrub and tell them to shut up. Like don’t post something if you can’t take comments and replies. Simple
Pretty much this. I thought that reply to Knee sounded pretty snarky, especially when the guy doesn't know you too well. Hopefully they can move past this.
@@jalenyoung9368 agree
@@jalenyoung9368 Exactly
@lunaro
I wouldn't say they hate sarcasm, but maybe have a different understanding of it. (or maybe it doesn't exist as much) I've spent a lot of tim in west africa and realised the same thing.
That law school experience really comes in handy huh
Don’t stress bruh you have a loyal fanbase🥳
I was just thinking of all the harassment training I’ve had to give and this right here is text book covers himself in a court of law.
Yeah we with you not that toxic god considered by community the p*** s***
The only think that makes you a bad person is not having RGB under your 100k subs award yet. It would look cool
Mainman this community don’t deserve you, if I were in your position I wouldn’t have apologised keep being you👍
It was right to apologise, but he shouldn't have to be the one to feel blame or guilt over it. He received a lot of hate that was blown out of proportion for what little he said.
That's the intention of knee. He knew the clip and context, he put it up in spite of the context just so people can gang on tmm.
All of this had nothing to do with the original point tmm was making. It's clear knee wanted him assassinated. I see why he's consider a dirty and ugly person now.
@@jasonbiggs1624 so we gonna act like tmm did nothing wrong from the beggining to now
Yeah this community really doesn't deserve him. So lets hope this tard will finally leave us all in peace.
@@kratos2822 what he said was in a livestream completely seperate from the convo between him and tmm, and had nothing to do with knee himself or the question of guest characters.
He was asked about the Korean fighting game community where he shared his opinions about their behaviour. Were blaming him cause he used the words ugliest and dirtiest, instead of "toxic", but at that point we're just crucifying a man cause of bad choose of words.
And again, had nothing to do with knee or the conversation on twitter. Tmm didn't respond to knee by twitter what he said, so knee went out of his way to find something on tmm, and let it hanging there on twitter for tmm to be crucified. Knee needs to get his ass whoop in real life for that kind of stunt
Main mans made it as a RUclipsr!!!!! Woohoo ain't nothing like drama to break the glass ceiling to the next level of success. Congratulations
I think you don't need to apologize cox you didn't say any thing wrong , you are one of the most calm and cool persons in Tekken community don't let your self down by some of these dushbags in chat.
You handled it really well. Don't worry MainMan... we got your back
I didn't see it, I don't care. You provide invaluable content to the Tekken community. Knee maybe took it out of context and as always fans went overboard.
Keep being you TMM.
Dorya! (x99)
Pretty much exactly how it went
I think you're alright scrupman.
Scrupman did nothing wrong guys.
I do think his opinions on this videos is right but you guys are missing something. Knee had already shown displeasure with tmm several times on his streaming. And they were about Tmm using combo’s and tournament videoes of knee and other players without any permission. Also he made fun of knee and other korean player’s (ex: cbm) english pronounciation and showed disrespect several times. Knee said he had a bone to pick going into this and tmm’s twit was the trigger. Point of knee’s opinion about guest character was 2d character’s system that were unfair in tekken not the whole guest characters themselves. Knee said he likes guest characters like noctis and negan since they fit well with the original tekken sysytem. This is based on what knee said on his streaming.
@@울프-h6c still does not give Scrupman the rights to talk trash about the whole Korean community. It was the Scrupman who got this out of hand by going from having a beef with a single player to an entire country's community. The one who truly did nothing wrong was Knee. He just stated his opinion on 2D chars (a completely valid opinion to boot). The Scrupman however blew this out of proportions by involving the entire Korean scene
@@wardogthreeisanidiot6561 yeah that’s the truth. And tmm didn’t apologize about nazi stuffs and several things that he said on the live. No respect at all
@@울프-h6c "Nazi stuffs" wtf are you talking about?
A big problem I see on a lot of "social" media sites is the fact a lot of people have no control over their emotions. Say something "wrong" and suddenly you can be an outcast or jumped by a mob online. Quite sad really.
"in my point of view" if you want to "argue" with people you dont know, you dont start by clowning them and then cry when they clown you back
Exactly.
Calling someone a scrupman and telling them to shut up was the clown that started it. So... yeah, TMM handled the situation relatively well
@@Vijin321 Literally just not true
@@Say_Irish_Wristwatch knee attacked tmm for having an opinion. So... No?
Yes, TMM has provoked Knee by being sarcastic and stuff, but now he plays innocent. Like: "momma he kicked me, though I didn't do anything bad!!!" You should be respectfull from the first word, not the second. Respect for Knee for being direct and allowing no hypocrisy.
Yes, twitter is a cursed place, you have to watch your every move there...
Knee gud/TMM bad
Admitted he did something wrong, made a mature apology about it. Respect. Here’s to hopeing knee can be mature enough to accept it and do the same.
To be honest it seems like Knee is a bit of a kid, the whole JDCR conflict was of this ilk as well.
Knee wont do it......because he thinks himself a God!
exactly, but I think he won't 😅
@@samdjura2495 What was the JDCR and Knee conflict?
He just called mainman scrup which is just meme level lmao why does he need to apologize? Mainman called out one whole community
Twitter is a cesspool, "scrupman" was a funny comment and you did nothing wrong. Getting angry over something like that is sad.
Very nice name
Being called like that by someone that you respect for years, i would be sad
@@redthalos I don't know. when I first saw the whole thing I laughed. "Lmao MainMan and Knee are memeing" It took me a solid second to realize that this is actually beef.
Knee wasnt even angry tbh. It'''s basically just a long version of "git gud" meme. Knee's opinion reflects the top players' experience of the game so TMM should've expected a git gud response. Because it's clear that geese and akuma are busted in terms of damage, frames etc. It's normal that pros would wish that.
@@qwteb
Makes no sense. “Git gud” has very little to do with whether or not guest characters are inherently problematic in Tekken, which forms the basis for this entire argument. Considering that BM has shown multiple times in just about every Tekken game that they’ve made that they can fuck up balance consistently well regardless of guest characters, MainMan rightfully disagreed.
How you’re getting “git gud” out of a tweet response that literally doesn’t mention skill level once is beyond me. Knee’s being a child and his rabid fanbase followed suit- that’s really all there is to this.
Knee just needs to stop losing to those guest characters 🤣😂
Or join them. If they are so powerful he should show the world the potential instead of complaining... Those characters won't get nerfed unless they get exposed consistently in Majors among the top 10.
@@ElDrHouse2010 Knee is the real Low Tier God i respect it i think guest characters are boring and corny i think he thinks the same way
Yes I like this comment. Explains why knee hates guest characters in a single sentence. 😂
@@Kortifex Dude when has knee played low tiers in tourneys? The guy mained bryan when he was op he has played top tiers in tourneys ,now JDCR rangchu they can be called low tier gods.
@@ElDrHouse2010 hes just a tekken boomer thats struggling to adapt so he does the classic boomer thing= whine and complain. Hes just frustrated that hes gettin left behind while others are catching up fast and overtaking.He should understand that tekken is just a game and its entertainment.
TheMainMan is the bigger man for apologizing, even though there's nothing to apologize.
lmao TMM started this whole thing by writing a condescending, sarcastic, and all in all disrespectful comment in response to Knee, who merely expressed his opinion about non-traditional characters. Knee had every right to get toxic with this schmuck.
@@pofcross so because he had an opinion he should receive insults? That's online in a nutshell
THANK YOU, Mainman!
Knee was being childish, the way he responded to you
There was nothing to apologize about. Snowflakes melt too easily.
Greatest apology video on RUclips. No heartstrings pulled, not emotionally driven. Well done tmm
yeah I hate those shit apology videos where they are crying and just a pathetic mess. This was well executed.
The truth is without the guest character u won't have 6 million plus fresh blood.
For the Twitter part... I do believe dear Knee is being rude and childish.
'The truth is without the guest character u won't have 6 million plus fresh blood.'
That's bullshit that doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny.
Knee's behavior on Twitter says alot about him. The mob mentality is insane there. He should really apologize to you. More power, TMM!
I finally got the understanding to this scrupman thing lol. Watched a recap and it's got to be the funniest thing I've seen.
Very very mature way of apologizing. But knee should definitely apologize as well for saying that.
You not very good at math are you ?
He wont, knee is a kid.
It was a flawless explanation TMM. IIRC you did law school right? it served you well hahaha. IMHO this has been blown out of proportion, and some ppl (trolls probably) hoped in the bandwagon just to bash you without a reason... disgusting tbh. Anyway, stay awesome bro, grettings from Brazil.
MainMan always a gentleman
Except when he's not?
A childish response from a 40 year old man not being able to comprehend the concept of someone disagreeing with them
How to do a RUclips apology properly.
Knee already had a bone to pick going into this, given that he's already expressed his displeasure with some of TMM's content about him before.
On one of his streams he mentioned one of TMM's videos commentating on Knee playing Paul (it might have been vs Anakin or his TWT win vs Arslan), and misinterpreting TMM's swearing (saying that Knee is a "fucking monster" and things like that, as well as mentioning the fact that Paul is broken) as insulting him, due to his limited English. Also he took offense to the thumbnail of TMM's video about Leroy at EVO, where Knee and Arslan are drawn with their eyes crossed out like they're "dead".
He then proceeded to say that he had never seen TMM at any high level tournaments and that he hadn't seen any indication that he's a good player.
So that's probably what led up to the "scrupman" comment.
I was thinking this was the case, coz you won’t call someone you’re not close with a “Hella scrupman” out of the blue just because he made an argument. That was just so immature and I wasnt expecting it to come from knee. They might’ve hated mainman before this even happened and are using this situation to let it all out. I lost all respect for knee because of this tbh.
Sad to see someone as senior as knee in the community stoop so low like this. TMM's always got a slightly pessimistic/toxic vibe going on so this is kinda expected but not so much from knee.
Eh well, its always better to separate a pro's work/talent and the person themself. I mean hey everyone's human right?
Just cause a person might not be mature enough or nice natured doesnt mean you cant appreciate the beauty of their work.
If this is true then knee is a big ass snowflake proof would be nice
@@monibrahman3141 AFAIK Knee has had beef with several people in the past including JDCR for one of the shittiest reasons ever (who i have never heard have an argument with or a grudge against someone). There's also the shady past of the korean tekken scene with Nin though i dont know the level of knee's involvement.
Tbf he is a veteran and one of the older tekken pros. There may have been some sort of intercultural misunderstanding that led up to this(and cuz TMM is generally a negative personality) but you would expect a 35 year old person to have a bit more tact and maturity. Unfortunate that thats not the case.
Pretty strange of him to take offence at english content when he doesn't understand english properly.
Welcome to the Internet 2.0.
People behave like children.
Other children love it.
Nobody is having a productive conversation.
With that being said, as objective as i'm trying to look at all of this: i lost every bit of respect i had for Knee.
u miss the old internet too? same
Well said brother
I’d be surprised if Knee apologizes for his comment, he is an elitist at heart.
He doesn't need to, knee did nothing wrong
@Zayed Goki i agree why put acting like egotistical ass as new standard
If in 2020 being called a scrub is enough to cause an uproar then the FGC is waaaay too soft......trash talk happens all the time in competition....its nothing personal......main mans response made it personal.....but to his credit he apologized
@Zayed Goki fgc is soft...being called scrub caused mainman to do a 5 hour stream......really ???
but im out of my mind ? lolol
was knee ''wrong'' for calling him a scrub sure I will give you that ...but who snowballed it and made things way worse ?? if you watch the video above there is your answer
#Charmin
people have been treating koreans as gods in competitive online games. Doesn't surprise me that he developed some sort of god complex.
this video should solve all issues and misunderstandings
I'm glad that Mainman took this thing seriously enough to address it on a video.
Now, can we talk about why apologies videos are being monetized?
Bro Knee really said that? Lost respect....
You speak very Well !
And it is how it is . Emotional is hard to Control. And you are 100% a Main human Mann. I hope they understand it.
I never comment under videos ever, but let me say this if it wasnt for you I would have never been so invested into tekken and its rich history, cause you have knowledge and see things from a casual and High Level Eye. And you would never bend your opinion to please everyone.
What those Elitist dont get its people like you who grow the playerbase and contributing that the series will not die. Seeing them on twitter hoping for you to get canceled gives me the biggest urge to facepalm.
Just keep doing what you do Mainman and know people like me always appreciate it
MASKU!
The 2D characters should've been completely reworked for tekken and Harada basically exported from their original settings, which was a big mistep. Removing guest characters all together is just dumb.
I certainly agree with your first sentence. If Bandai Namco were adamant about going down the route of including guest characters from other fighting game franchises, then they should have adapted them to play as proper Tekken characters.
Main man,
I’ve watched you grow your account from 3k subs to to what you currently have all from the love that you have of this game. You were playing revolution when the community was really small and we’re giving valuable insight on the game when nobody else was stepping up to do so. You are a certified OG in the space.
To see someone like Knee act condescending to you shouldn’t bother you. That man may be one of the best in the game but his comment should show you how brittle he is as a person. I can tell your response was one out of retaliation because his comment hurt you. You don’t owe knee or anyone of them an explanation nor should you ever feel insulted by their remarks. Trust us. We’re here to back you.
I was watching Anakin stream and he was baffled by your hourly charge rate on T7. He like many others, whether they care to admit it or not, are jealous. I know it sounds like a cheap shot at them but their own entitlement has gotten to the best of them. I think because they play at the highest level they feel entitled to have the worthiest opinion. He was saying “I could never do that to my subscribers” but all I was reading was “Wow, he’s actually charging that!”
No one cares. I know I don’t.
You have built the single largest community in the space. I know because I’ve seen it develop from the beginning. I know the effort you’ve put into it. Which is why I’m partly offended for you.
I’m going to close this off with a final statement. I’ve seen Anakin and I’ve seen Knee. What I haven’t seen them do is contribute a fraction to the space that you have.
Much love
Ps. Knee’s like 5’4 so he can stfu with all of that tough talk.
Bitch.
TMM was being sarcastic, and most people find sarcasm as rude. It's not the right way to reply to someone. It sounded disrespectful.
@@synnic6051 I’m just now getting to this. Knee instigated it by calling him a scrub. I’d say it’s fair game after that.
tbh you shouldn't apologize because you were right about people being fake as fuck.
Bros giving advice 2 years late
I just found about this today. You have nothing to worry about man. His tweet answering you was fucking childish. And them calling you racist? Jesus christ, these guys should be fined or some shit for saying such bs.
I just can’t rap my head around Knee saying “shut up Scrupman” like why tf would he reply like that???
Because maybe Knee remembers the time TMM calls him a "tier-whore", and he took it personally.
@@engr4051 he shouldnt be so petty then.. the past is the past people change..grudges help nobody
Saw people go crazy on twitter, trolls were having a field day adding so much unrelated stuff to their tweets to diss everything and everyone, then thankfully Ernesto from Button Check clarified what went down with a time line then I was like.... oh so Knee and TMM did not run outside naked together going full GTA mode on random civilians .... so where is the problem?
Great you done this to clear everything up...hopefully we can get back to actual gaming now and everyone can start showing a lil love to each other😇😇
This is just him telling them that the Korean people never trash talk, they're not toxic, and people got mad about it
@MainManSwe: Don’t let what knee said affect you man, I know you respected him before all this. He was wrong to lash out like that, period. Know that the reason people lash out is because they’re angry and miserable; he is most certainly one of the two. Knee was my favorite Tekken player up until now but that is no longer the case. Yeah he’s a good player but I value character as a far higher priority: Which you have in spades and I respect that. Wishing you and the family well sir.
i am korean and i respect and watch all mainman's vids. XD cheer up man, i will always support you 😀
Very mature and I agree with basically everything, especially your view on the guest characters. The fundamental problem though and the reason Knee responded the way he did is because your tweet came across as passive aggressive. It did not come across as constructive dialogue, I love TMM but even I felt like there was a bit of a "dick jab" thrown in that tweet.
It wasn't a dick jab though its his opinion, did you watch the whole stream? He always says its his own opinion knee just took it to heart because they can't understand English properly
@@echo8168 Adrian says its just another point of view (I don't have time to watch 4+hr streams just a smidge when I drop in) but even as someone born with the language it clearly looks like a passive aggressive statement. He's using sarcasm in a way that doesn't come across as light-hearted banter. No wonder Knee felt insulted.
@@liambrown3249 commenting on just a smidge not the full context of what he was saying just judging him of a clip is pretty sad dont you think? It was quite passive aggressive i agree but he wasn't throwing any bones out there it was just his opinion
@@echo8168 So if i don't spend 5hrs watching a man salt out it's pretty sad? Lmao alright kid
@@liambrown3249 boych
Hahahaha!! You’re clip mainman was hilarious! You never cease to amaze me with your comedic timing!
How is it robbing 6 million people when it's only a wish for T8 from Knee? It's not like 6 million people already pre-ordered T8 including those guest characters. Didn't TMM wish for 25 characters for T8? wouldn't that be robbery if there were no guess characters in those 25 characters?
It's only robbery if they deleted all the guest characters in T7 in next patch. But if they disappeared in T8, like Negan, it's not robbery, cuz he's only a guest, not part of the story.
My man apologizing for no reason hes absolutly right about the korean scene you got ppl smashing eachothers throphies KEK
What ?
Coming into a debate with sarcasm isn't really a good start.
Yeah true. In my opinion TMM should have just stated facts instead of sarcasming through it. He made a good point here shouldve just said that. With knee however i dont know i guess he was hurt? Although on the other hand TMM's did have a point but the way knee took it is not that well received.
As it turned out Leffen was right all along about Tekken community being uber toxic and vindictive. Oh well not wholesome.
Smash community is much more toxic. Trust me.
@@FallenAngel2k02 tbh, does it matter ? both communities shouldn't be acting like that
@@FallenAngel2k02 how tf does the SC community come out looking the best in this scenario?
Literal waifu builder and stuff.
You'd think itd be the most degenerate but its actually the nicest community I've seen.
@@DeadpoolX9 You've not reached below the surface buddy. Trust me.
You call Knee's response toxic??? LOL.
Respect, dude. I'm a 20+ year Tekken player from the old school and I appreciate your Tekken way of being. People need to step off and enjoy the game more. For context, I used to spam the TZ boards like none other. . . Except Devil Kazuya.
Actually man, you got it backwards: calling a scene dirty or whatever was not wrong, but your condescending tone in your first tweet was. there is a way to start a debate, and that wasn’t it. but, you got what you had coming from Knee, and it should’ve ended there. Chanel was just being extra at the end.
All this really disappointed me. In fact the guest characters stuff is a detail, Knee behaved like a 14 year old and all the people who hate Mainman for telling the truth about their favorite character in the past have jumped at the chance to harass him and try to cancel him. I unfollow a lot of people yesterday, many figures from the community dropped their balls, sided with Knee and pretended not to understand what Mainman said about the Korean scene (which is completely true for those who are informed and that Knee's behavior confirms)
Then you should unfollow mainman too. He's done this to lesser content creators.
I do think some of his opinions on this videos is right but you guys are missing something. Knee had already shown displeasure with tmm several times on his streaming. And they were about Tmm using combo’s and tournament videoes of knee and other players without any permission. Also he made fun of knee and other korean player’s (ex: cbm) english pronounciation and showed disrespect several times. Knee said he had a bone to pick going into this and tmm’s twit was the trigger. Point of knee’s opinion about guest character was 2d character’s system that were unfair in tekken not the whole guest characters themselves. Knee said he likes guest characters like noctis and negan since they fit well with the original tekken sysytem. This is based on what knee said on his streaming.
knee just called him scrup which is meme level while mainman called out a whole community lol that isn't on the same level
Unfortunately we live in a world where people want to cancel you over any little mistake or misstep. Nobody is perfect and the fact that you hold yourself accountable(even if I personally don't think you did anything particularly untoward) just goes to show why many people feel you are THE face of the Tekken community. Even if that's not what you want, you are our People's Champ. I think I can speak for all of your fans when I say; We Love You, and Thank You So Much! We appreciate your maturity and we respect your ability to recognize your mistakes. We know you did not genuinely mean any harm and if you insist upon apologizing, we accept with open arms. All is forgiven. Also Adrian, let's hope that maybe Knee was joking around and trying to be sarcastic and it just came across in the worst way as well. If he was being serious, then he's a real jerk for that, and the legions of people screaming for your head and jumping on the bandwagon just because Knee said something are the real scrubs. They are a bunch of lovely people who despite their best efforts will never make the podium at their local scene in NowhereVille Ohio, and if one of their heroes blames 2D characters, for balance issues then by god that must be the reason they suck so bad right?! Rant over. Sorry, maybe that's a bit much, but I think it's safe to say that we your fans have minds of our own and know the difference between well informed players and people who just take someone's opinions as facts.
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@@PyroInferno110 good one. Very creative! 10/10 effort here.
@@grimsside7796 idk if u took my comment seriously or not but i hope u didnt :3
@@PyroInferno110 nah I figured it was a joke which is why I tried to give a sarcastic response in a MainMan type of way lol
@@PyroInferno110 although on second thought it didn't translate very well in text did it? XD
Huh, that explains all the mean comments I kept reading about in the subreddit.
But yea I must agree, I absolutely love guest characters and they tend to give games a bit more flavor ya'know. And I really appreciate how mature TMM was about the whole situation, it's really rare for anyone to be like this nowadays.
I do think his opinions on this videos is right but you guys are missing something. Knee had already shown displeasure with tmm several times on his streaming. And they were about Tmm using combo’s and tournament videoes of knee and other players without any permission. Also he made fun of knee and other korean player’s (ex: cbm) english pronounciation and showed disrespect several times. Knee said he had a bone to pick going into this and tmm’s twit was the trigger. Point of knee’s opinion about guest character was 2d character’s system that were unfair in tekken not the whole guest characters themselves. Knee said he likes guest characters like noctis and negan since they fit well with the original tekken sysytem. This is based on what knee said on his streaming.
@@울프-h6c heyYYyyyyyY I saw that comment in a comment comment section.
@@울프-h6c I mean I wouldn't really know that since I don't watch Knee and don't really watch TMM often since he goes live when it's the middle of the night were I'm at but when I do I don't watch the whole stream. This is where I don't have much to say because I'm more clueless than others when it comes to what's going on and I only know as far as what I see on the subreddit and what TMM has said in his video. So really I don't have the right to talk here other than to just express what I think from the little knowledge I know.
Never knew 'Tekken Scene' was a Race...
You are not in the wrong, you don't need to apologies.