Rambling about Nvidia RTX 5080 PCBs
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I wanted a 5090 pcb ramble but a 5080 will do. Thanks BZ! ❤
Same) Thanks BZ! ❤
Yeah, the 5090 is too expensive, uses too much power for just 30% more performance. But at least it offers an uplift. The 5080 is a complete waste of effort. Daniel Owen got it right, Nvidia did it again, this is not an 80 class card, it's a 70.
@@bakakafka4428its on the 80 class card die... So no its not a 70 class card
@@ConfusedBeing-v9w Pricewise and namewise yes, performance per dollar wise, not even close. HUB says the same thing in their just released video, have a look.
I didn't want to make something this sloppy for the 5090s.
It's fascinating seeing all the different decisions the board partners make on the same chipset. I never knew there were actual reasons why some of my old gpus had solid capacitors and some had the flat ones. Thank you for taking the time to describe in such detail. Sub with notifications ON for sure, great content man, thanks again.
@0:39 & @10:24 - MSI GeForce RTX 5080 Vanguard SOC
@2:10 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition
@17:42 - ASUS GeForce RTX 5080 Astral OC
@31:57 - Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5080 Gaming OC
@36:36 - Palit GeForce RTX 5080 GameRock OC
@41:59 - Colorful GeForce RTX 5080 Vulcan OC
@47:22 - Zotac GeForce RTX 5080 AMP Extreme Infinity
@56:15 - Gainward GeForce RTX 5080 Phoenix GS
@59:53 - Galax GeForce RTX 5080 1-Click OC
@1:04:48 - final thoughts
17:17 You shouldn't have a fuse on a $1300+ card. What repairs!?
When it burns out after the warranty expires, you should hurry and buy a new one.
it's all planned
And remember, the more you buy, the more you save, so try to burn it to the ground before warranty expires. But please, do it with overclocking, we want you to buy a new one by yourself!
@@РустемСиразов-м9м and don't lie to us, we can see you overclocked via Driver telemetry.
ElectroFixit did a great job on my 3090 (my own fault).
And don't forget, you have to support the "little guy" by buying sub par GPU from the [other brand] because... because reasons or else you are le evil!
This was actually enlightening, and fun
Thanks! More in the future please 😊
Always Happy to see your videos in my sub feed
Love the pcb rambling videos.
I'm a simple man. I see "low effort" BZ content, i watch and love it.
"there's also been like no videos forever on this channel"
don't worry, there's no graphics card either.
you spelled 4080 super ti incorrect
I like the name 4080 Super Duper. It's both silly and implies deception.
@@quietfreddy It isn't real though. I like the name 4080 Fluffington the Fluffy, but where does that get us?
You spelled 'tie' incorrectly 🤣
The deadpan "melty connector" with a pause like you were trying to remember the official name had me dying. We should inform PCI-SIG they got the wrong name on the site.
Don't try any actual comedy, it may cause you an injury.
The thing that has me worried is that according to Berbauer , these cards didn't have the much time to go from the CAD design to physical verification to retail product. The implication being that things like power load testing and physical plug cycles to test endurance have been hastened if performed at all.
On the flip side, the new quad 8 pin to 6x2-12V adapter in the founder's edition is a supposed to be really good. It'd be a minor consolidation to consumer if they sold that adapter on nVidia's own store for existing owners of 30 and 40 series cards.
Welcome back
Nice to see what they are up to on these boards even though I'm not in the market for one.
We are so back
Nice and educational board review, mate
20:39 below power connector back of pcb those actually are shunts, 6 of them R002's. So Asus actually needs 3 shunt monitors, they are monitoring each 12v pin from 12v-2x6 connector.
ZOTAC doesn’t have a great reputation as a NVIDIA board maker but now I have seen multiple of these board analysis videos on this channel that shine a positive light on there board builds and layouts. Are they better than lots of people say/think?
I am very satisfied with my Zotac 4080, both perf wise and cooling wise. I also use unlocked power limit bios and using 450w power limit daily for a year without any problem.
zotac makes some really bad cards that usually don't get into reviews so there's limited information/photos of the PCB until broken ones start showing up.
They used low quality fans for the longest time, even on high end models.
I had a Zotac 660Ti that burnt trough all the pcb layers.
I've been running my 3090 at 110% and OC for over 2 years and never a problem. Just had to change the pads from the get go.
Every video makes me regret not buying the XTX sooner...
That boat has sailed ⛵️
Get a card that works 99% of the time instead. I have an issue on every new game, and issues on old games that get fixed and then broken with every other driver update. RDNA3 is busted.
@@Greez1337That would be on you side nothing on me and my friend
I use Linux, where it's AMD which works perfectly fine and Nvidia is provlematic to say the least.
Thank you!
Woooo good to have you back sir.
Only BZ would call a 1hr video low effort. 👍
It's really a 5070 in everything but name.
I really enjoyed this video! Can you make also a rambling about the upcoming AMD graphic cards? Would be interesting!
I love it when you ramble
deffo worth a sub i like the Zotac board the best
oh yeah pcb analysis yeah, gimme gimme yeah!
17:30 ASUS Astral board conversation starts.
I'm definitely comparing the 5080 to the 5090 on this since I'm getting the 5090, with the 5080 just being a 4080 Ti Super Titan.
Tbh it looks like a 60-70 class chip
Exactly. Nvidia been doing this since 4080.
Because it is, nvidia is feeding us scraps, while all the good chips go to AI stuff
have you seen a GTX 680?
Die size isn't a good indicator of the class of GPU. I've been building gaming PCs since 2003, specs shift all over the place from generation to generation.
If you are coming from anything before the 40 series the 5080 is a huge upgrade.
20:30 - Perhaps the 3rd is for monitoring the PCIe slot and the two 2mOhm shunts in parallel on the front of the board? 20mV across the per-pin shunts at 10A is not much (roughly 600w draw which is a ton on a 5080). Probably fine to detect issues with the 12v connector but likely not accurate enough for monitoring board power thus the pair of 2mOhm shunts in parallel on the front of the PCB. Those should be roughly 3x more accurate since 3x the current should be running through them comparatively.
I was checking your channel back-to-back for this, thanks BZ. I am really hoping I can get FE 5080.
Great first look on the 5060 TI.
Do not overdramatize it, coz it starts to be silly. It is RTX5070 or 5070Super, coz DIE size is 96% of rtx3070, while Ampere was 8nm. There should be DIE reduction when there is a big jump in proccess size, but not THAT MUCH, which Nvidia did twice.
@@zbigniew2628 Okey okey you're righ it's actually a 5060 16gb
If you come from anything before the 40 series the 5080 is a significant upgrade. People have such short memories.
@@Safetytrousers not an excuse and it's still 1k+ dollars no one from prior gens are buying that
@@Safetytrousers and if you bought previous gen literally anything from amd is a cheaper upgrade
Do you think any AIB will have a dual 12V-HP card on the market? What do you think the PCB layout will be like? Kingpin had mention Nvidia stipulated the power card supplies must be completely isolated from one another in that setup
My favorite hour of the day
Thank you this is very helpful. Keep them coming please. I'm liking the Asus Tuf oc 5090. I hope you like it too. The astral is too expensive.
" Melting connector" name should be the standard for 12VHPWR ...LOL
Certainly, less will melt when there are none in the market :D
price to performance is melting factor here
If you can't insert a cable properly you shouldn't be spending this much money on a GPU.
well technically the standard they used on the 50 series is 12v-2x6
@@Safetytrousers shill
Melting connectors melting because some wire manufactured poorly. I had a cable with MSI 1000w mpg and 2 with 1650w thermaltake thoughpower gf3 and all 3 had like 1-2 wires in the connector that weren't secured properly and they move if you bend cable. That will be enough to melt connector. I noticed it day one and now 2 years with ROG strix OC pulling 500w in some games and no issues and i unplug it once every couple month to clean
I might add that you should also start paying attention to the area around the PCI-E connector hook, where a lot of different signals run, because these places break on a massive scale and then you have to drill holes in the PCB, and here the level master is not enough, you need a technician from level GOD to patch it up.
Guess the 5080 pulls around 350-380 amps as those seem to run @ around 950mv-1.100mv(1.093mv max setable) and 360w is tdp.
Are the caps on the MSI board bad for a PC that's on 24/7? Asking because board design aside, it seems to have the best cooling and power efficiency out of the bunch and doesn't have the insane Asus tax. But now I'm torn between MSI and GALAX 😵
5080 cards PCB rambling?
Count me in
Timestamps with where you're checking out what board would be absolutely awesome.
Which one would you recommend for AI purposes (8 hours / day)? I don't care about overclocking, only about long term reliability and price.
Im really intetested in the Gigabyte cards and thoughts on that "secret sauce" theyre usibg as a thermal compound. But it seems gigabyte is holding cards close to the chest.
What are your thoughts on the FE display and PCIE interconnects in regards to latency, stability, signal integrity/crosstalk, EMI, etc?
The reviews haven't shown any issues in that regard.
@ I haven't seen any reviews that deep test these specific concern, just general benchmarks.
The silk screen labeling on the Asus Astral if it is for GPU, memory or miscellaneous by the prefix: PG = GPU, PM = memory. Just all the MSVDD components carry the GPU prefix in labeling.
I'm surprised you didn't notice the spot for two unpopulated 8 pin power connectors on the Gainward in addition to the melty one. Kind of surprisingly to see that given how stern nVidia has been on doubling down the melty design.
un-used power connectors on high end Nvidia GPUs have been a thing forever so I just kinda ignore them.
After seeing many northwestreapir video's i understand many of your critical points much better.
hope this generation has stronger pads....PCB, memory ,and all the thermal issues lead free solder creates
And a tantalum will fail.Like a ticking timebomb
Really want to see the zotac 5090 pcb. So far for 5090s, the astral is nice except for the obnoxious price, the suprim is an expanded reference and a large step down from last get and gigabyte master looks very nice.
If zotac can put some extra output filtering on the back for their 5090s (even just empty pads), would be a buy from me given the price range it is in
10:43 they are not the same as through hole polymers just because they have leads BTW. That casing has to be designed to survive reflow at temperatures well beyond the melting point of many plastics and the boiling point of the electrolyte. It makes them substantially more expensive than through hole polymers, though still much cheaper than tantalums
That's probably the reason why they've used as many through holes as they can wherever possible
they are the same as through hole polymers because you can literally buy the exact same parts from NipponChemiCon, Nichicon and Apaq in through-hole and SMT packaging. It's pretty much an optional add-on for their solid polymer parts.
should i be worrying about the gigabyte model cracking at the pcie latch as they did in 30 and 40 series?
Asus and Zotac for the win sounds like it. This video was was very interesting.
Can't wait for the 5090 version. Gonna be really helpful for using a waterblock
ive always bought strix but man that zottac solid looks so clean, i hope its not trash
what used gpu would be good. i currently have a used msi rx 6500. planning on upgrading next year.
i play 1080p competitive games and retro games only. no demanding AAA stuff
So the best bang for buck I've seen so far is the zotac store they have an open box option and refurbished option. Right now theres a 3060 12gb for $189.00 and a 3070 for $280. honestly it's been my go to for good budget gpus for friends who want to make a new PC. They got good deals all the time. Also I haven't seen anyone else mention this site online I'm surprised.....
Also got a 3070 for 250 like 3 months ago from there for my buddies PC. Looks like it came with new paste and new thermal pads was pretty impressed for refurbished item.....
depends on what refresh rate you're targeting. but if you're looking for anything 120fps+ and you're not held back by your cpu then something in the 3060ti, 3070, 7700XT, RX6800, 6800XT range if you can find them dirt cheap should hold ya over for a few more years.
RTX 30 series (3060 Ti and upwards) and AMD RX 60 series (6750 XT upwards). Maybe even a 2080 Super. Also consider the Intel Arc B580.
3080's are great if you can find a deal. Even a 2080ti with OC still do great. Doing emulation and futzing with old games, have to stick with Nvidia on windows to keep compatibility tighter.
Noob question, but what's the difference between the blue topped caps MSI uses and the black topped ones everyone else uses?
just different manufactures.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking got it, thanks
Please do a 5090 PCB video. Great content !
13:00 Regarding the fuse and the 12VHPWR connector: can't they put a smaller fuse for each +12V pin separately?
Great video
I do not see any point in distancing GPU from PCI. At this point not a single card will survive without support anyway, even before putting GPU in. Doesn't properly installed support completely prevent the bending?
When I saw the first PCB images from the Founders Edition of the 5090 I knew it was going to be bad, impressive but bad; but power delivery behind the GPU core is NUTS, especially on a FLAGSHIP CARD that costs over $2000 AT WISHFUL THINKING MSRP.
Nvidia knew exactly what they were doing with this whole design and are laughing all the way to the bank.
Man, What's the capacitors on the zotac H25U 330 16, I mean what's the type of that and what company from ? 🤔
that Zotac board looks like it's trying to get Kingpin's attention lol
thats was my guess as well lol. Not gonna lie, this generation has insanely good looking GPUs.. but i'll stick to my shitty Zotac 4090 at this point.. i aint gonna sell my GF to buy a 5090.
@@RngmonsterXIs it really shitty? Zotac looks to build some good boards nowadays.
@ well shitty in a sense of using the bare minimum of components on the pcb.. other than that i freaking love it. It's the Zotac Trinity (non OC) and i have flashed the AMP Extreme AIRO bios onto it and it runs perfectly fine. Gotten it back in the days for 1780€ which was the cheapest card available at that time. And the 5 years of warranty are simply amazing. For me it's been the best purchase since the 1080 Ti.
Is a 5090 video coming ?😅
I want to make certain of some details before making 5090 videos.
I agree.. so much power in such a small space, is a recipe for disaster (though being good for power distribution / voltage stability) Especially with the 5090 (500+ W). GPU core heat, VRM heat.. such little spacing..? Well, at least they made a good cooler for it, so the components can get the heat away.
Why not use 3 (on 5080) and 4 (5090) x 8pin Standard PCIE connectors, and make the PCB a bit bigger (if necessary) to fit them? Compatible to standard PSU's. No adapters needed. I don't like this solution.
Great video thanks
Actually Hardcore PCB Rambling.
Look at the HOF card too, just announced. Big pumpers
The 5080 overclocking did well. Better than a 4080 overclocking. The vanguard soc was 4 percent faster than 5080 FE out of the box and overclouded 10-15 percent faster. This means that it’s about 20-30 percent faster than a 4080 overclocked which is way better than the lame 0-15 percent 5080 founders editions vs 4080. Still though comes at higher cost. It’s not as bad thermally as 40 series.
Is it like a 4080 with ddr7? Nvidia is having lot of negative reviews except for bigger hardware gpu
thx
The information i need to know when i see these on used market 2.5 years from now being sold at MSRP.
50:25 The balls are a pain because you have to replace them but it's not a tragedy, and that's when the pads break off the PCB
Pushing another ~125 watts trough the 12VHPWR connector on the 5090 seems like a bad idea, considering that the same connector already seems to be maxed out with the 4090. Maybe we'll see some more connectors melting over the next months, I could imagine that those PCIe connectors could make trouble as well.
They're all actually 12V-2X6 now.
@@noxious89123 I don't know what changes they made to that connector, but I can't imagine that it'll be enough to alleviate concerns, especially since it now has to carry 575 Watts regularly instead of 450. In my mind, there is no saving that connector.
@@titaniummechanism3214 5090 uses pretty much excessive power in stock: if you drop power limit to 70%, you'll lose only 10-12% perf (for FE it's mandatory with its density).
Yes, reviews are quite scary. Even if the new 12v-2x6 connector may not burn, the temperature of connectors & cables are really high when pushing 600W.
I'm 100% going to shunt mod the melty connector's shunts to take another 200W out of the melty connector from RTX 5090 once i get mine. I'm already prepared and have fire extinguisher next to my pc.
No 4090 ever caught fire. Just learn to insert the cable properly. An extinguisher will not help with melting. The PCB probably doesn't like foam in it.
@@Safetytrousers Clearly you didnt understand the joke in the first part of the message :)
@@jarnom85 I don't like people spreading the idea that these GPUs have caused fires.
I appreciate these videos very much. With that said, MSI has always been a "go with what works and do it as inexpensive as possible" company. I think I would rather go MSI than what ASUS does with charging an extra 20% for their models. While the Astral may clock slightly higher than Suprim, I would rather save the $250.
As for 5090 connectors melting more often, at least for now they won't, there just are not enough of them for that to be a thing.
Hi BZ!!! I would like to see you overclocking ram on a asus strix b850 F gaming!!
the 2 monitors the input and the 1 monitors the combined shunts that's my guess
"Nvidia exists to make power delivery less reliable"👌
Any gigabyte Aorus review our? 5080 or 5090. Im interest in the cooler performance.
Generally what company/companies make the best quality cards in terms of longevity and low failure rates etc?
Modern GPUs rarely fail for the time they are being used without jiggery pokery. You would hear of manufacturers with a failure reputation if that were the case, and you don't.
@ gigabyte has a lot of faulty components apparently
@@heroicsquirrel3195 Yes, I do hear that about Gigabyte, but I don't know the %.
Hi!I'm selling My RTX 4090 MSI suprim (Maybe I can sell it for highest price before price go down) and take RTX 5080 MSI Vanguard and my hope it will be same with OC. If you have advice let me know please.
Would be interesting if someone could analyze cost differences on components for msrp pcb and others that charge $200-$800 extra... i would not be surprised it costs them like $50 extra
you'd have to get access to the bulk pricing the board partners get for components and IDK how to do that.
FE cards are not made to make money. They are made by Nvidia in small capacities to show off
7:35 Maybe carried over from enterprise?
I can't place Buildzoid's accent.
Canadian
More low effort please! 🤣
Always love your input!
Rambling about Nvidia RTX 5060ti PCBs, fixed for you.
5080 is the 4080 12gb they couldn't sell, so Nvidia pulled it off this time. A xx70 class card for $1000 if you can get one at that price.
5080 has 16GB of DDR7. 5080FE is a little less money at msrp than the 4080 was.
@@Safetytrousers I was thinking more about the 4070 TI super
The FE ribbon cable has demonstrated to be insufficient. Debauer had some trouble with it.
But that modular PCI-E connector idea is great. Usually cracks happen near the PCI-E connector hook area. So if that area is cracked, just replace the damaged part without affecting the main PCB . No need to use dremmel to repair the traces.
@@fleurdewin7958 Agreed. I had that thought as well! But still needs improvement.
Me watching this video in it's entirety deciding which 5080 is best as if its ever actually going to be in stock long enough to be picky about which model I get.
You CAN be picky. It depends on how patient you are. 😅
I still watching, but I would love to see video from you about good designs of stuff, but then they are going to be more expensive from a second hand market 🤣
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I thought for sure the 5090 would have 2 Melty connectors . 🧐
If it had 2 connectors you could run less power through both of them than through one.
This is the only way to pick a GPU!
I'm going SFF next build.
Hi. Im considering 5070ti or is it a bad choice?
If you're coming from a 30-series or older, it's a decent choice. But if you have a time machine, maybe go back and buy a 4070Ti Super instead.
4070ti beats a 3090, so 5070ti should be a little better than a 4070ti. But there are some decent deals for the 4070tiSuper on Ebay. You may not be able to get a 5070ti at launch ( but perhaps stock will have been built for when they come out).
TP should hire you to do random Rambles :P i dont get why AIB´s dont do fuses to a sales argument.
I've always felt that Zotac is the cheap, skimpy manufacturer of GPUs. You're saying they're not that bad then? Worth considering these days? I miss EVGA.
Does the RTX 5000 series cards even exist? I refuse to acknowledge their existence until they're actually launched.
25:14 1100$ for that 5070 class card
Nvidia greed has no bounds