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Now I remember why I dislike your reactions, it's all about you complaining. Ulf, Daemon, The Greens. You don't need to take fictional characters so seriously and try to look like saints all the time
*The* *Queen* *Who* *Ever* *Was* The episode was only 109 minutes when I thought it would be 113? They cut a scene from the leaked footage. It’s a scene of Alicent and Helaena escaping. They’re both sitting inside a carriage. The part when Alicent secretly sees Rhaenyra made zero sense. She’s practically committing treason. Told Rhaenyra everything including an injured Aegon. Only five episodes earlier, Alicent told Rhaenyra it was too late. Was cutting that scene a way to have Alicent and Helaena remain at King’s Landing after it’s seized by Team Black? Scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent were only created for Emma and Olivia to shoot scenes together. You can tell it’s a retelling of GRRM’s story. The other extremely divisive scene and perhaps the most divisive scene happens to be Daemon’s vision. Unlike Preston from RedTeamReview, I don’t have an issue that fate determines a character although Daemon loses this option. He said winter is coming in High Valyrian and it was cringe. My biggest problem was what Southern Mother of Dragons and Red said. Why lean on the previous show and White Walkers? Can’t House of the Dragon be carried by their own characters and not the backs of Daenerys and the White Walkers? It was great to see a book accurate Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven this time unlike having Max von Sydow (RIP). The Night King mask did look awful like it was a cheap mask. Freeze frame it and it looks awful. And seeing the back of Dany’s naked body looked like cheap CGI/AI crap too. I had no problem with Daemon finally pledging his allegiance to Rhaenyra but that’s always been the case. His visions will probably have a pay off later on as Alys Rivers did tell Daemon he has gained abilities of a greenseer since arriving at Harrenhal. I believe they’re leaning onto this angle after Daemon dies to explain where his body was all this time. Season 2 didn’t feel it improved any of the established characters with maybe the exception being Aegon and to a lesser degree, Mysaria. I didn’t get anything out of Daemon, Alicent, Corlys, Baela, and Rhaena. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were fine but they were always that way from S1. None of the new characters like Ulf, Hugh, Alys, and Jeyne stood out. I voted on a poll on The Plot Twist asking who is my favorite character between Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond? I was a surprised Daemon won from 24K votes at 59%. Rhaenyra is at 28%, Aemond is at 10%, and Aegon is 3%. When I voted for him, it still had 10K votes and he was at 57%. Aemond and Aegon dropped 1% each since then for Daemon to gain that 2%. It’s obvious at least 90% of viewers are Team Black. Rhaenyra was beating Aegon 93% to 7% in another poll. After S2 wasted Daemon, fans still love the D-man? I’m starting to question if he remains my favorite character because I feel the writers wants to keep humiliating him because he’s no Paul Rudd. While I didn’t enjoy every moment of Daemon from S1, he was a lot better in that first season than this one. Let’s say Bloodraven or Breakspear becomes my all-time favorite. HBO will find a way to ruin them. They always do. Their only clear improvement was with Viserys. Matt Smith could easily carry this show. Daemon has enough charisma to pull it off. But the writers wants us to hate on everyone in the show not named Rhaenyra or Rhaenys. They’re the perfect ones while everyone else is flawed. I know the Dance should center on Rhaenyra because this is her story but the writers are extremely biased towards her and only her. I feel she will get whitewashed at the end. Overall, I will give this season only a B-. I think it’s about as good as The Boys S4. Maybe I should give both a C+ instead? Half the season was good to great, and then the other half made some questionable creative decisions…. Good to great: Ep. 1, 2, 4, 7 Bad to questionable: Ep. 3, 5, 6, 8? Perhaps the strikes and WB only ordering for 8 episodes affected S2 to become worse. We should’ve ended S2 during the Battle of Gullet. So Episode 8 felt like a trailer to Season 3. If we had gotten 10 episodes, it would’ve finished with Gullet. It was great to finally see Bloodraven in a more book accurate form although he looks too pretty like he’s live action Sephiroth. That’s how we should imagine Daemon from the book but without the birthmarks. Handsome and extremely charismatic. But S2 made sure Alys Rivers and Oscar Tully kept humiliating him and turning him into another Bran the Broken. HOT D S2 Character Rankings 1. Rhaenys 2. Rhaenyra 3. Silverwing (more character than the rest) That’s it for me. The rest didn’t seem to matter. I know Alicent taking so many baths or dips in water is for her to cleanse the impurities she did with Criston but we didn’t need to see her keep taking baths. We saw Aegon for half the season and only saw Otto for two episodes. We saw Tessarion but not Daeron. We get Tyland (mistakenly called Tywin) getting into a mud fight with a transgender RUclipsr who also appeared in The Acolyte. Sharako Lohar is supposed to be a male in the book. I guess he still is. Baela and Rhaena were wasted. Jace is always complaining. Got nothing out of the Jeyne Arryn scenes except her acting like a total bitch to Rhaena. Ulf went from fan favorite for people who never read the book into a moron after a couple of scenes in Ep. 8. I didn’t get much out of the Velaryons this season. It’s now official that I prefer Andor over House of the Dragon. I don’t have hopes from HBO doing this right. With Andor, while it doesn’t have enough lore building for Star Wars channels like Star Wars Meg and Generation Tech to talk about, it excels because Disney doesn’t meddle on what Tony Gilroy wants to do. I feel HBO is meddling too much on George’s work. It still hurts that we need to wait two more years for HOT D’s Season 3 which I expect to be a banger. I’m hoping HOT D does the opposite of Game of Thrones. GOT started great but ended poorly. HOT D starts off a bit too slow but ends amazingly. I expect S3 and S4 to be superior to S1 and S2. And we got A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next summer to hold us over like Gen V did last year for fans of The Boys. Only 6 episodes but better than nothing. I wouldn’t have my hopes up too high for Baelor Targaryen, aka Breakspear. He is my 3rd favorite all-time character behind the Rogue Prince and Bloodraven. But after what HBO has done to GRRM’s favorite Targaryen in Daemon, their own “interpretation” of Baelor could end up far worse. We just have to accept the fact that HBO will dramatically change things, for better or for worse. GOT/HOT D Season Rankings 1. GOT S4 2. GOT S6 3. GOT S3 4. GOT S1 5. HOT D S1 6. GOT S2 7. GOT S5 8. HOT D S2 ⬇️ 9. GOT S7 10. GOT S8 I know GOT S8 is hated. But Ep. 2 was fun and Ep. 3 was still more exciting than most episodes that HOT D had. Maybe I should have HOT D S2 below GOT S7? GOT S7 still gave us 7x4 The Spoils of War and Euron savagely killing the Sand Snakes in 7x2. And 7x6 Beyond the Wall wasn’t that bad. At least we got Tormund and The Hound in the same scenes. The Acolyte or Game of Thrones Season 8? I would still take GOT S8 but would turn it off after The Long Night. I don’t need to watch the next 3 episodes after that where Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet and Rhaegal easily got killed, Dany goes mad and burns KL, and Bran gets chosen to sit on the Iron Throne. Jon should actually be beheaded for killing Dany. Not get his old job back where the White Walkers are no longer a threat. Jon basically got a slap on the wrist. Jon got off better than getting detention. 2024 Movies/TV Favorite Rankings 1. Ted 2. Fly Me to the Moon 3. *Deadpool* *&* *Wolverine* ⬆️ (seen it 6x) 4. Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga ⬇️ 5. House of the Dragon Season 2 ⬇️ 6. The Boys Season 4 ⬇️ 7. Cobra Kai Season 6 Part 1 (of 3) ⬇️ 8. MaXXXine 9. Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire 10. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes 11. Bad Boys: Ride or Die 12. Ghostbusters: The Frozen Empire 13. The Bikeriders 14. Civil War 15. Horizon: An American Saga 16. Longlegs 17. Twisters 18. Trap 19. A Quiet Place: Day One 20. The Acolyte Might watch Deadpool & Wolverine a 7th and 8th time today. Saw it twice yesterday. It’s not my favorite movie of the year. I would still take Top Gun: Maverick and Elvis over it. But I do think it’s the funniest MCU movie ever made. Funnier than Thor: Ragnarok but I still prefer Loki, Ragnarok, Cap 2 & 3, and most of the Avengers movies over it. Perhaps No Way Home as well. Deadpool & Wolverine feels like a Family Guy episode spoofing MCU like they did to Star Wars. I didn’t hate House of the Dragon S2. Still had some amazing cinematography and production values. The best set designs and costume designs in the business. I was still entertained by a couple of episodes specifically Ep. 2 and 4, but I can’t call it a great season overall. I was a little disappointed with the pacing, character development, and a few creative but odd decisions. Some of the story arcs for these characters went nowhere. If S1 was an A- or B+, S2 is a B- or C+. A letdown like The Boys S4. Oh well, I’m still optimistic for Season 3. With no more actors and writers strikes to interrupt production, I fully expect S3 to be far superior to what we got from S2. Let’s hope for 10 episodes instead of a measly 8 and we get to see several battles in it. We just need to expect that HBO will never try to emulate what’s written in the book and accept these changes. See y’all again next year for the Dunk & Egg series. It’s coming in the same month as Andor S2. Next year won’t be disappointing. 1. Loki S1 (2021) 2. Loki S2 (2023) 3. House of the Dragon S1 (2022) 4. Andor S1 (2022) 5. House of the Dragon S2 (2024) Overall 1. Loki 2. Andor 3. House of the Dragon
Me watching the season 1 finale: damn this war is about to get started for real me watching the season 2 finale: damn this war is about to get started for real
@@tannerhagen3881 It kind of has too, it starts with the bloodiest sea battle in Westerosi history and they have 2 years to get their ass on it (if they haven’t already taking in count this season was cut short 🤔)
Season 1and2 are showing how waiting for war feels... SADLY we heading to war on this World right now so fucking God is watching HBO and a Season of Humanity is Retarded right now
Except she spoiled wrong. Aemond WAS seen again after the God's Eye. Now you have two conflicting sources of information. Consider yourself unspoiled 😉
A bit of a misconception that Navi and a lot of show watchers have, and i dont blame them the show didnt explain, the title "The Queen that Never Was" is said by people who believe Rhaenys should have been the queen instead of Viserys. The first time we hear it is in episode 1, where someone calls her that at the tournament, and Otto tells Viserys he could have his tongue for that, but Viserys says that wagging tongues wont change the succession. It's not an insult to Rhaenys, its a insult to Viserys.
Eh, I think it’s both, depending on who is saying it. Her detractors see it as an insult, whereas her supporters see it as a mark of respect. I think Viserys loves his cousin regardless of the events of the Great Council, and Otto misunderstands this. Otto saw it as an insult to the succession, but I don’t necessarily think Viserys did.
@@TyrannosavageRekt Yeah, I agree. The tongues wagging won't really change what happened at the Great Council. The debate of whether Rhaenys should or should not have been Queen won't change that Viserys IS the King. Viserys is the final arbiter.
It was a Baratheon who called her that in episode 1, all the more reason for it to be in support of Rhaenys. Rhaenys is a Baratheon and they were one of the few Great Houses who supported her claim.
Good catch! Rhaenyra was called the realms delight. Aegons specific wording here tells you everything you need to know about his current needs. He wants the love that the people gave to her, that his father gave to her "How did he find this out" SIR HE WAS SNIFFING THE TIDDY HANDKERCHIEF 😭😭
I think Cristin Cole is a sad case study on how humans are so careless and fickle. Not absolving him of his wrong doings but here you have a man who was honorable and loyal to his cause and one night that he never initiated changed his entire life. From that moment his honor was sullied so he did the second most honorable thing and wanted to be wed to the woman he respected and loved. Without his honor he had nothing and was broken until a new call to service was given to him. That scene was more than just “dragons” it was a symbolism that this war is waged by the most powerful people and it ruins the lives of the small folk. It swallows them whole until there is literally nothing left but death.
that would probably the reason Rhaenyra would hate her when the kids get in trouble in the future. Rhaena was supposed to look out for the kids but choose instead to let them go alone to pentos. just like Nettles in the book Rhaenyra would hate Rhaena.
More importantly, why isn't anyone looking for her? It is unrealistic that none of the guards and attendants that accompanied her are looking for a high born princess after she randomly disappeared.
It makes sense he would be. He watched a flying nuclear dinosaur turn men to ashes in front of him and is aware both sides have that power at their disposal. You can't blame him for thinking, "We're fucked no matter how this turns out, so what's the point?"
All the prophecy stuff is hilarious cause they do it very well in this show but then you remember this big threat that Viserys and his ancestors were all worried about and made huge realm shaking decisions about. Then Rhaegar was so concerned about he messed up his marriage and spun the whole realm into a war that nearly ended his line based on a misunderstanding. They all did that because of a thing that basically got taken care of in a night by Arya Stark stabbing the big king zombie and they all died.
I don't think any of the stuff he's written subsequently gets greenlit for an adaptation before the main thing. GoT ended badly but those early seasons genuinely changed the tv landscape back in the day.
It was actually leaked quite early on, before the season even aired and while it was still in production, that the episode cut and the budget cut was decided by higher-ups, and that while a big fight sequence was planned for the final episodes of the season (9 and 10), because 9 and 10 were cut, the big battle was moved from s2 to s3. The final has a feel of "unfinished season" because well...... it wasn't supposed to be the end of the season 🤷♀
To be fair it’s a sorta smart executive decision. Fans will cry but thinking past the starving artist art today sells off hype and knee jerk hot takes on Twitter. Sure they will cry a bit for a month or so that the final episode wasn’t peak but they will forget. Come next season ep 1 starts out rolling super high energy etc and everyone is posting on twitter/x and their back on forgetting s2. Same way surj now loves season 1 and though s2 was weaker when during s1 they thought it had some boring stuff. Also people only remember cool stuff they love ep 4 but forget all the low budget stuff to pay for that. Like anime that has 1 ten second fight with cool action and the rest of episode is static talking. People forget and hype up the 10 sec.
The perfectly justified rage of a kid whose parent neglected them all their lives and now all of a sudden wants a relationship. "Sorry, Dad, you don't just get hugs and forgiveness from me like that."
@dragerdet It's literally doing the opposite. These are women with perceived power but the men in their lives undercut them. Rhaenyra's Council undermines her because she wants to avoid bloodshed. Alicient is literally told by her son that she should focus on domestic duties and is taken off the council and not to mention is constantly ignored when she is present in the council At worst the show is trying too hard to make it a Rhaenyra vs Alicient story
@@joeloates1685 I thought the light have a reddish glow was an implication it is the Greyjoys, since their leader is Dalton Greyjoy, aka the RED Kraken.
Ulf showed more humility and manners in the bar scenes...him being a gushing asshole like this is odd, but does the job of proving Jace wasn't just a classist bigot...he was right with regard to giving power to some can have such draw backs...even tho being labeled low-born and treated as such inspires this type of jackassery
You guys had a huge problem when Jace went on his rant about letting these lowborn ave dragons. But yall never gave it a single thought how risky and how bad this could backfire. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t read the books but all I’ll say is Jace was right 100%. Trust and loyalty doesn’t come just because your given a dragon, betrayal is far much easier
Bc it's literally just an exposition dump they made up for the show. Jace didn't even lead the red sowing, nor did he have any qualms about it in the book.
@@homeostvsis in the books it was Jace idea, in the show they switched things around by making him only want people of high born. A nice addition that actually made so much more sense than the books
@@mattgibney4085 it's a retcon, not an addition, don't try to spin it. It's literally written just to make Rhaenyra look good, like how shes no longer as ruthless as her book counterpart. You can deny it, but they literally also added those awful Alicent-Rhaenyra meetings just to make them both look favorable in comparison to the men.
Bruh I think you need to watch the show it's trash what the writers did with the show it was suppose to be between two factions that were both in the right in some aspects and In the wrong in some other aspects but they turned into blacks are good and greens are bad and apperantly the most important greens in s1 are just gonna join team black or leave @@yiledute
I think Daemon finally accepted and realized that Dragon Dreams like the Song of Ice and Fire were not just fake stories, opening him to have one himself and to see what Aegon the Conqueror saw.
I assume Alicent didn't know the extent of the strength and rehab of Aegon. Larys was telling the Maester to keep it secret so that Aemond doesn't feel compelled to kill him right away.
„A son for a son“ So we are totally ignoring poor Jaehaerys. Cool…cool cool cool Also F Alicent. Failed at raising Aegon, forced him to be King and now basically sacrifices him so she could dip. Seriously f her.
Suraj: “But should a rapist…” I mean Rhaenyra literally killed innocent people for her own gain and her blockade causes massive suffering and death in Kings Landing and you’re cheering her on.
This is what happens when you stretch 4 episodes worth of content into 8 episodes. All that character build up of Daemon for him to just go "I saw it in a vision girl it has to be true". All season of everybody telling Rhaenyra to attack only for her to go "nah actually". A whole season of Alicent just walking around or something? Also someone needs to tell them you can put a whole scene together instead of showing 3 seconds of Rhaena every 15 minutes. holy shit every time she showed up for 3 seconds, I facepalmed. Also I guess the guards who's ONLY job was to escort her 'kinda forgot about her'? Like what even was this. Whole season could've happened as a raven.
Thank you. The Rhaena check ins were poorly done. Amateurish. And I agree, the slow not so subtle story with Daemon, bonked over the head at the end was weird. The sequence itself was solid, but if it happened like episode three after like two other Alys scenes that would work. The one when he meets her and she is brewing something, and then one cut down mash up with one young Rhaenyra and one Vicerys (skip his mum) moment.
Be that as it may it is a compelling plotline. Would you sacrifice your disabled child to save lives and bring peace to the realm? An impossible choice. I was curious for her answer but i guess we'll never know if she would've gone through with it.
@@caiptainawesome807 how is it a betrayal of her character? Isn't Alicent famously known in the fandom as a bad mother anyway so what exactly is she betraying here? If this were Cersie I who talks about her children every 5 mins then yeah that would be character assassination but Alicent isn't like that so what are you on about?
I think daemon may have misread the vision. We know he sees Danny but to him he sees a Targaryen that looks vaguely like Rhaenyra with three dragons which with how peeps misinterpret prophecy in got may have thought it was the three dragon seeds she just raised up. Just a thought
That's another plot inconsistency in this episode. Daemon tells Rhaenyra that the Riverlords are "sworn to me," when in the previous episode we saw that the Riverlords couldn't care less about Daemon and are instead just honoring their oath to Viserys that Rhaenyra is the true heir. I couldn't help but roll my eyes at the supposed tension when Rhaenyra arrives at Harrenhall, and we have to wonder whether Daemon would declare himself King, knowing the host of armies would never support this and would instead choose Rhaenyra's side. The writers can't even keep up with their own subplots. What a waste!
And Vermithor. Vermithor is openly said in both the book and on the show to be the biggest dragon after Vhagar. The Cannibal is pretty big though and he gets a fearsome reputation in part because of how mysterious he is.
@ruchagoddessofpurgatory8513 That is NOT Cannibal. The dragon they showed was Sheepstealer. That's the dragon Rhaena gets. Cannibal hasn't been mentioned yet in the show.
I never read the books but if The Dance is what causes the downfall of the Targaryens than it'd make sense for that to take place in the final season, so until then they're just doing whatever.
@@govinddas7876 let’s be real if you are missing the battles from the books to this point, you approached it wrong. You think they have the budget for all that or the fact most involve characters we do not care about. Even in the book, it throws out so many names and works great for the book, but for a paragraph or two they were not going to invest in that. Kind of like the Burning Mill.
Well it depends on your definition of lie. If you tell someone something false, is it not a lie as long as you believe it? She told Aegon that Viserys changed his mind. He didn't. So technically she lied. She just doesn't know that she lied.
I can sort of see why you don't trust Alicent but don't you see how she is telling the truth. She's been struggling with the weight of this war all season, and only learned of how it was all based on a misunderstanding a couple of episodes ago. Since then, her son has been burned nearly to death and her other son is becoming a tyrant, causing the small folk to starve and therefore lash out against the crown, which nearly maimed or worse killed Alicent and Helaena. In the last episode where she strolled in the Kingswood, she saw a bird in the sky above her and it was like a symbolism for her freedom. That is what she truly desires. After all, she's not the queen anymore. I assume she is unaware of any progress Aegon is making in his recovery because the last time she visited him he was asleep. The only person who seems to visit everyday is Larys, who also made that plan to take him to Essos by himself from what we can gather. In this episode, before she even considers going to Dragonstone, she is asking Helaena how she would feel about leaving. This is before Aemond tries to force Helaena to take to her dragon, an act which seemed to infuriate Alicent. She has repeatedly mentioned "you know what Aemond is" and knows damn well he is responsible for Aegon's incident. When she arrives at Dragonstone, she tells Rhaenyra she just wants to take Helaena and her daughter to live free somewhere, after all even Helaena said she was happier before she was queen. She grappled a little bit with the decision of whether to spare Aegon's life or not, but at this point her freedom, her daughter and granddaughter's freedom are more important to her. Rhaenyra told her bluntly, "history will paint you a villain", because of course, what mother would order the murder of her son, the king she created, in exchange for her freedom?! The final shot of the two looking out into the distance reads to me like an exchange of burden. Alicent set this in motion, and has now put the burden of all the death and destruction in Rhaenyra's hands. She is now free to discover what kind of woman she is by herself, without the men around her to guide her, something Rhaenys alluded to her after Viserys died. Whether or not we will get to see it play out that way, I doubt as obviously a huge part of the plan has gone awry unbeknownst to Alicent. Aegon is on his way to Essos.
I was honestly very frustrated by this episode. It was good on its own, but as a finale of a season that has been almost nothing but buildup for the next season, it felt like a tease in a bad way. I have no idea why we only got 8 episodes this time when it literally feels like this episode should have been a leadup to a climactic final episode that still leaves a lot for the next season. I also can acknowledge that as a book reader I thought I had a fairly good idea of where this season should have ended, so being left hanging like this just feels unsatisfying as hell. I've been enjoying the slower pace of this season because I thought it was going to be paid off before having to wait another 2 years, but I was wrong. As a writer myself I really want to know what was the reasoning for this structure, because I struggle to think it was a narrative one.
Same feels as me, and I suspect it was a studio decision not a creative one in an attempt to save money in the short term and shunting the problem of even more costs to future execs (and possibly made after the scripts had been mostly written, which is why it’s such a jarring omission)
hi, hello. good to find fellow writers here. i think this season's writers got greedy. they thought too highly of themselves. over indulging in character's dynamics and sracrificing the pace as a result. that... or they feared that if they didn't stretch it enough, the final product would feel rushed. why only 8 episodes? budget, perhaps? any way, i agreed with you. this season fell short. selling us promises but delaying its fulfillment. hope they won't f- up the next one.
They forgot Dance of Dragon is between Aegon and Rhaenyra not Alicent and Rhaenyra so son for a son was that was whole point of Blood and Cheese but show try hard to push AliRhae ship it is bad for show and writing
Whether intentional or not this show is turning into royalist propaganda. Look at the over the top gasps over what Ulf says to Rhaenyra. It ain't that serious
Right? They want to use this guy as essentially an enslaved sword due to his dragon, and they get angry at his lack of decorum? Plus, he was RIGHT, he's not a knight yet, because the Blacks have given them nothing but the promise of status. He should have pressed that point.
This finale was so bad it forced me to look back over the whole season. For my self in particular it was Rhaenyra, whom I just grew to hate more and more. I am absolutely done with this show. I’ll cross my fingers on A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, coming out in 2025.
Y’all need to remove the twitch chat from the videos People are incapable of not saying book spoilers and now the entire shows ending is spoiled for me and many others
Alicent is the worst. She put her son on the throne even though he didn't want it. She refused to listen to Rhaenyra, and after losing her place on the small council, she will sacrifice her son to live her life
Well she didn't sacrifice her son though. She refused that point. And again Viserys put Aegon on the throne (which was a misunderstanding) in his final words. Alicent merely followed what was given to her.
To be fair, as far as Alicent is concerned, Aegon won’t recover from his injuries and thus killing him might as well be a mercy. Problem is that she’s also condemning Aemond (who deserves it) and Daeron (who does not) because they pose a threat to Rhaenyra’s claim.
People forgetting that Otto Hightower has been literally planning for years along with the rest of the Small Council for the male heir to inherit the Iron Throne. Whether Aegon wanted to or not was of little consequence. Even if he just dropped dead, Otto would improvise and Aemond would've been crowned, the green's position of legitimacy would've just been weakened.
23:28 Well, that actor did play Torstein in the first 3 seasons of Vikings. And Abigail's character is literally what I imagine a true Norwegian shield maiden looks and acts like lol.
You take a scene at face value without acknowledging the history before it. When Aemond goes to get Heleana and Alicent stops him, you guys agree with Alicent, but do you realize that Aemond is fighting the war that Alicent and her father started? And now that things are out of her hands, she wants peace.
Why do you need to have scenes between two top billed actress if they are assumedly at war with each other? I have never seen a security so lax that the mother of the king can just enter a enemys stronghold at seemingly withouth any resistance. The world has fantastical elements but it should still maintain some consistency in the way the world works. I also dont think that these visits are written by George R Martin but rather added by either the showrunner or the screenwriters for certain episodes,
People complaining about season 2 not ending in a grand battle clearly weren't paying attention the tenor of the season...the story was thin to start...I'm going to be more disappointed that they end it this way and still make people wait 2 years for season 3. I haven't seen news on if they have already been filming and are just knocking it out or where they are at.
@@Ashbrash1998 AND she felt Aemons Rage against Lucerys Vhagar is a mad lad War Veteran Girl...shes so old she gives a fuck what she kills and burns ^^
@@Plagueis_The_Wise Viserys Said it himself....Control over the Dragons is a illusion. youre maybe to shortsightet to understand that the Dragons tolerate a bond to someone but they dont need to Vermithor seems like to respect Hugh and bonded...not acting like a pet
That "Come with me" is the confirmation that Alicent has always been in love with Rhaenyra. It's the only explanation. Remember that Alicent kept for years the page of a book Rhaenyra gave her? Well, that and this can only be explained as romantic tropes. Normal people don't go around telling their friends that they're finally free and embracing their true self and two seconds later asking them to run away together. Rhaenicent is canon until season 3 proves me wrong(?).
Larys is not helping Aegon out of the kindness of his heart. This is strictly a move made out of self preservation. Alicent no longer has any power and Aemond is too smart to fall for his 💩 he is literally out of moves so he has to help Aegon escape
A gentle reminder that for a lot of GOT the finales were the "resolution" for the season arcs. For a lot of it the penultimate was the big moment. It didn't have to be a battle. The big moment was the dragonseeds claiming their dragons. That oner was crazy.
I really thought the season would end with the battle of the Gullet. With less filler scenes this season, it would have fit. With the loss of you know who, it would have made a good parallel with the end of season 1
The acting is pretty much uniformly amazing, somewhat let down by puzzling writing choices. I read that doing 8 episodes instead of 10 was HBO’s call so can’t blame that on the writers tho. I don’t think there would be this much backlash if this was the S1 finale but this is the second straight season of “ok the prologue is out of the way, IT’S ON for real next season” you can’t pull that trick more than once.
Can you tell me what leads you to think Alicent is lying? Everything she has done points to her being 100% real. I didn’t read the books and considering the series I imagine something could change in 3 days but there is no way Alicent was lying there.
I enjoyed this finale and think it'll watch well when we have season three. Season three will be wild. I am also among the few who really liked Daemon's subplot this season.
I’ll say it for you guys: this season sucked. The story barely progressed with each episode and that’s a major problem. Yes, some events occurred, but this whole season could have been condensed into 2-3 episodes max. There is no excuse why daemon hallucinated for the entire season. The writers fumbled this series hard, especially considering it’s NOT A LONG STORY TO BEGIN WITH!
In the books Jace has Sympathy towards Bastards and that is why he came up with the idea of Dragon Seeds but in the show they totally going in other direction with him.
Not all bastards are lowborn. Jon Snow is a pretty good example, it's illustrated with the comment about assisting banquets; he wasn't allowed to sit with the main family but he had it relatively good in comparison.
If you read the book then you know that there was no way that they could put the battle of the gods eye in the last ten minutes of the show. Everything on the show changes forever after this battle 😢
People forget that not every season needs nonstop violence and action. GOT was at its best when it was slow and calculated. People never run out of things to complain about.
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Now I remember why I dislike your reactions, it's all about you complaining. Ulf, Daemon, The Greens. You don't need to take fictional characters so seriously and try to look like saints all the time
Also, you always try to look and sound like film critics and it's basically just you having Tik Tok and MCU brains.
With the amount of story that's left, 4 seasons would be an unnecessary stretch. It'll probably be resolved next season.
*The* *Queen* *Who* *Ever* *Was*
The episode was only 109 minutes when I thought it would be 113? They cut a scene from the leaked footage. It’s a scene of Alicent and Helaena escaping. They’re both sitting inside a carriage. The part when Alicent secretly sees Rhaenyra made zero sense. She’s practically committing treason. Told Rhaenyra everything including an injured Aegon.
Only five episodes earlier, Alicent told Rhaenyra it was too late. Was cutting that scene a way to have Alicent and Helaena remain at King’s Landing after it’s seized by Team Black? Scenes with Rhaenyra and Alicent were only created for Emma and Olivia to shoot scenes together. You can tell it’s a retelling of GRRM’s story.
The other extremely divisive scene and perhaps the most divisive scene happens to be Daemon’s vision. Unlike Preston from RedTeamReview, I don’t have an issue that fate determines a character although Daemon loses this option. He said winter is coming in High Valyrian and it was cringe. My biggest problem was what Southern Mother of Dragons and Red said. Why lean on the previous show and White Walkers?
Can’t House of the Dragon be carried by their own characters and not the backs of Daenerys and the White Walkers? It was great to see a book accurate Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven this time unlike having Max von Sydow (RIP). The Night King mask did look awful like it was a cheap mask. Freeze frame it and it looks awful. And seeing the back of Dany’s naked body looked like cheap CGI/AI crap too.
I had no problem with Daemon finally pledging his allegiance to Rhaenyra but that’s always been the case. His visions will probably have a pay off later on as Alys Rivers did tell Daemon he has gained abilities of a greenseer since arriving at Harrenhal. I believe they’re leaning onto this angle after Daemon dies to explain where his body was all this time.
Season 2 didn’t feel it improved any of the established characters with maybe the exception being Aegon and to a lesser degree, Mysaria. I didn’t get anything out of Daemon, Alicent, Corlys, Baela, and Rhaena. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were fine but they were always that way from S1. None of the new characters like Ulf, Hugh, Alys, and Jeyne stood out.
I voted on a poll on The Plot Twist asking who is my favorite character between Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond? I was a surprised Daemon won from 24K votes at 59%. Rhaenyra is at 28%, Aemond is at 10%, and Aegon is 3%. When I voted for him, it still had 10K votes and he was at 57%. Aemond and Aegon dropped 1% each since then for Daemon to gain that 2%. It’s obvious at least 90% of viewers are Team Black. Rhaenyra was beating Aegon 93% to 7% in another poll.
After S2 wasted Daemon, fans still love the D-man? I’m starting to question if he remains my favorite character because I feel the writers wants to keep humiliating him because he’s no Paul Rudd. While I didn’t enjoy every moment of Daemon from S1, he was a lot better in that first season than this one. Let’s say Bloodraven or Breakspear becomes my all-time favorite. HBO will find a way to ruin them. They always do. Their only clear improvement was with Viserys.
Matt Smith could easily carry this show. Daemon has enough charisma to pull it off. But the writers wants us to hate on everyone in the show not named Rhaenyra or Rhaenys. They’re the perfect ones while everyone else is flawed. I know the Dance should center on Rhaenyra because this is her story but the writers are extremely biased towards her and only her. I feel she will get whitewashed at the end.
Overall, I will give this season only a B-. I think it’s about as good as The Boys S4. Maybe I should give both a C+ instead? Half the season was good to great, and then the other half made some questionable creative decisions….
Good to great: Ep. 1, 2, 4, 7
Bad to questionable: Ep. 3, 5, 6, 8?
Perhaps the strikes and WB only ordering for 8 episodes affected S2 to become worse. We should’ve ended S2 during the Battle of Gullet. So Episode 8 felt like a trailer to Season 3. If we had gotten 10 episodes, it would’ve finished with Gullet.
It was great to finally see Bloodraven in a more book accurate form although he looks too pretty like he’s live action Sephiroth. That’s how we should imagine Daemon from the book but without the birthmarks. Handsome and extremely charismatic. But S2 made sure Alys Rivers and Oscar Tully kept humiliating him and turning him into another Bran the Broken.
HOT D S2 Character Rankings
1. Rhaenys
2. Rhaenyra
3. Silverwing (more character than the rest)
That’s it for me. The rest didn’t seem to matter. I know Alicent taking so many baths or dips in water is for her to cleanse the impurities she did with Criston but we didn’t need to see her keep taking baths.
We saw Aegon for half the season and only saw Otto for two episodes. We saw Tessarion but not Daeron. We get Tyland (mistakenly called Tywin) getting into a mud fight with a transgender RUclipsr who also appeared in The Acolyte. Sharako Lohar is supposed to be a male in the book. I guess he still is.
Baela and Rhaena were wasted. Jace is always complaining. Got nothing out of the Jeyne Arryn scenes except her acting like a total bitch to Rhaena. Ulf went from fan favorite for people who never read the book into a moron after a couple of scenes in Ep. 8. I didn’t get much out of the Velaryons this season.
It’s now official that I prefer Andor over House of the Dragon. I don’t have hopes from HBO doing this right. With Andor, while it doesn’t have enough lore building for Star Wars channels like Star Wars Meg and Generation Tech to talk about, it excels because Disney doesn’t meddle on what Tony Gilroy wants to do. I feel HBO is meddling too much on George’s work.
It still hurts that we need to wait two more years for HOT D’s Season 3 which I expect to be a banger. I’m hoping HOT D does the opposite of Game of Thrones. GOT started great but ended poorly. HOT D starts off a bit too slow but ends amazingly. I expect S3 and S4 to be superior to S1 and S2. And we got A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms next summer to hold us over like Gen V did last year for fans of The Boys. Only 6 episodes but better than nothing.
I wouldn’t have my hopes up too high for Baelor Targaryen, aka Breakspear. He is my 3rd favorite all-time character behind the Rogue Prince and Bloodraven. But after what HBO has done to GRRM’s favorite Targaryen in Daemon, their own “interpretation” of Baelor could end up far worse. We just have to accept the fact that HBO will dramatically change things, for better or for worse.
GOT/HOT D Season Rankings
1. GOT S4
2. GOT S6
3. GOT S3
4. GOT S1
5. HOT D S1
6. GOT S2
7. GOT S5
8. HOT D S2 ⬇️
9. GOT S7
10. GOT S8
I know GOT S8 is hated. But Ep. 2 was fun and Ep. 3 was still more exciting than most episodes that HOT D had. Maybe I should have HOT D S2 below GOT S7? GOT S7 still gave us 7x4 The Spoils of War and Euron savagely killing the Sand Snakes in 7x2. And 7x6 Beyond the Wall wasn’t that bad. At least we got Tormund and The Hound in the same scenes.
The Acolyte or Game of Thrones Season 8? I would still take GOT S8 but would turn it off after The Long Night. I don’t need to watch the next 3 episodes after that where Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet and Rhaegal easily got killed, Dany goes mad and burns KL, and Bran gets chosen to sit on the Iron Throne. Jon should actually be beheaded for killing Dany. Not get his old job back where the White Walkers are no longer a threat. Jon basically got a slap on the wrist. Jon got off better than getting detention.
2024 Movies/TV Favorite Rankings
1. Ted
2. Fly Me to the Moon
3. *Deadpool* *&* *Wolverine* ⬆️ (seen it 6x)
4. Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga ⬇️
5. House of the Dragon Season 2 ⬇️
6. The Boys Season 4 ⬇️
7. Cobra Kai Season 6 Part 1 (of 3) ⬇️
8. MaXXXine
9. Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire
10. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
11. Bad Boys: Ride or Die
12. Ghostbusters: The Frozen Empire
13. The Bikeriders
14. Civil War
15. Horizon: An American Saga
16. Longlegs
17. Twisters
18. Trap
19. A Quiet Place: Day One
20. The Acolyte
Might watch Deadpool & Wolverine a 7th and 8th time today. Saw it twice yesterday. It’s not my favorite movie of the year. I would still take Top Gun: Maverick and Elvis over it. But I do think it’s the funniest MCU movie ever made. Funnier than Thor: Ragnarok but I still prefer Loki, Ragnarok, Cap 2 & 3, and most of the Avengers movies over it. Perhaps No Way Home as well. Deadpool & Wolverine feels like a Family Guy episode spoofing MCU like they did to Star Wars.
I didn’t hate House of the Dragon S2. Still had some amazing cinematography and production values. The best set designs and costume designs in the business. I was still entertained by a couple of episodes specifically Ep. 2 and 4, but I can’t call it a great season overall. I was a little disappointed with the pacing, character development, and a few creative but odd decisions. Some of the story arcs for these characters went nowhere. If S1 was an A- or B+, S2 is a B- or C+. A letdown like The Boys S4.
Oh well, I’m still optimistic for Season 3. With no more actors and writers strikes to interrupt production, I fully expect S3 to be far superior to what we got from S2. Let’s hope for 10 episodes instead of a measly 8 and we get to see several battles in it. We just need to expect that HBO will never try to emulate what’s written in the book and accept these changes. See y’all again next year for the Dunk & Egg series. It’s coming in the same month as Andor S2. Next year won’t be disappointing.
1. Loki S1 (2021)
2. Loki S2 (2023)
3. House of the Dragon S1 (2022)
4. Andor S1 (2022)
5. House of the Dragon S2 (2024)
Overall
1. Loki
2. Andor
3. House of the Dragon
@@johanliebert4622 are you sure you're not the one taking fictional characters in a fictional show too seriously? 😂
Me watching the season 1 finale: damn this war is about to get started for real
me watching the season 2 finale: damn this war is about to get started for real
fr season 3 better make up for it.
@@tannerhagen3881 It kind of has too, it starts with the bloodiest sea battle in Westerosi history and they have 2 years to get their ass on it (if they haven’t already taking in count this season was cut short 🤔)
FACTSSS
Season 2 was just the filler they probably wanted to make some money to go big on the battles for next season
Season 1and2 are showing how waiting for war feels...
SADLY we heading to war on this World right now so fucking God is watching HBO and a Season of Humanity is Retarded right now
Me: "Shit, I got spoilers before the finale."
Helaena: "Let me tell you a story."
Except she spoiled wrong. Aemond WAS seen again after the God's Eye. Now you have two conflicting sources of information. Consider yourself unspoiled 😉
@zenmonk5403 I mean, technically, he's seen again when they pull his corpse out.
@@2ndlegend125technically he wasn’t seen in HER lifetime. So she is technically correct.
@@zenmonk5403not really… he’s wasn’t seen in HER lifetime.
@@sandeepsingh-er8wr She didn't say her 'life time'. "Never to be seen again" is not ambiguous in any sense, but quite definitive.
A bit of a misconception that Navi and a lot of show watchers have, and i dont blame them the show didnt explain, the title "The Queen that Never Was" is said by people who believe Rhaenys should have been the queen instead of Viserys. The first time we hear it is in episode 1, where someone calls her that at the tournament, and Otto tells Viserys he could have his tongue for that, but Viserys says that wagging tongues wont change the succession. It's not an insult to Rhaenys, its a insult to Viserys.
Eh, I think it’s both, depending on who is saying it. Her detractors see it as an insult, whereas her supporters see it as a mark of respect. I think Viserys loves his cousin regardless of the events of the Great Council, and Otto misunderstands this. Otto saw it as an insult to the succession, but I don’t necessarily think Viserys did.
@@TyrannosavageRekt not sure it is ever used negatively in the book, but I think your interpretation is reasonable
That nickname was literally created by Mushroom, the royal fool of the Red Keep
@@TyrannosavageRekt Yeah, I agree. The tongues wagging won't really change what happened at the Great Council. The debate of whether Rhaenys should or should not have been Queen won't change that Viserys IS the King. Viserys is the final arbiter.
It was a Baratheon who called her that in episode 1, all the more reason for it to be in support of Rhaenys. Rhaenys is a Baratheon and they were one of the few Great Houses who supported her claim.
Good catch! Rhaenyra was called the realms delight. Aegons specific wording here tells you everything you need to know about his current needs. He wants the love that the people gave to her, that his father gave to her
"How did he find this out" SIR HE WAS SNIFFING THE TIDDY HANDKERCHIEF 😭😭
Not the tiddy handkerchief 😭
That his mother gave/gives to her as well
calling simon strong the "harranhal monitor" is funny as hell
Larys moved to help Aegon the moment he wasn't made the Hand by Aemond. He's a player, and that was his best move on the board.
Best move for now….the bill always comes due
The triarchy person called Tyland “Tywin” - made me laugh😂
Called him Tywin, Tyman and Tyrod 😂. She was tripping
@@kelvmwangangi4001 Tyrone, Tytan, Tyler, Tyson
@@kelvmwangangi4001apparently the character Is still a he I think
Def posted this before watching
@@slenderfoxx3797 I ain't surprised with how the show is but it's a woman we clearly saw that
I think Cristin Cole is a sad case study on how humans are so careless and fickle.
Not absolving him of his wrong doings but here you have a man who was honorable and loyal to his cause and one night that he never initiated changed his entire life. From that moment his honor was sullied so he did the second most honorable thing and wanted to be wed to the woman he respected and loved. Without his honor he had nothing and was broken until a new call to service was given to him.
That scene was more than just “dragons” it was a symbolism that this war is waged by the most powerful people and it ruins the lives of the small folk. It swallows them whole until there is literally nothing left but death.
Interesting point! He's one of my favorite characters and I appreciate this new light shed on him.
He had a red pill moment😅
Rhaena abandoning her brothers is unacceptable. Justice for Nettles. ✊🏾
that would probably the reason Rhaenyra would hate her when the kids get in trouble in the future. Rhaena was supposed to look out for the kids but choose instead to let them go alone to pentos. just like Nettles in the book Rhaenyra would hate Rhaena.
More importantly, why isn't anyone looking for her? It is unrealistic that none of the guards and attendants that accompanied her are looking for a high born princess after she randomly disappeared.
@@anotheryoutubeuserthe guards who's only job was to escort her 'kinda forgot about her' 😂
@@anotheryoutubeuser Very true. Silly path to cut out a character and part of the story
Director: Criston Cole has ptsd and is clinically depressed
Suraj: damn he’s spitting
He was actually spitting tho
It makes sense he would be. He watched a flying nuclear dinosaur turn men to ashes in front of him and is aware both sides have that power at their disposal. You can't blame him for thinking, "We're fucked no matter how this turns out, so what's the point?"
Helena was spitting too.
Some of the best authors and poets of all time had ptsd and were depressed. You aren’t making a good point.
@@WRDendhe clearly is
All the prophecy stuff is hilarious cause they do it very well in this show but then you remember this big threat that Viserys and his ancestors were all worried about and made huge realm shaking decisions about. Then Rhaegar was so concerned about he messed up his marriage and spun the whole realm into a war that nearly ended his line based on a misunderstanding.
They all did that because of a thing that basically got taken care of in a night by Arya Stark stabbing the big king zombie and they all died.
Part of me wishes we got these prequels first so that got wouldn't be such a turd
I don't think any of the stuff he's written subsequently gets greenlit for an adaptation before the main thing. GoT ended badly but those early seasons genuinely changed the tv landscape back in the day.
The score at the ending of the episode, with the transitions specially, was a masterpiece. All hail Ramin Djawadi !
they couldn't even hear it because they're too busy yelling over each other as always
@@DobbyShanga Yeah that was effing irritating
His score for the video game new world is fucking great to
It was actually leaked quite early on, before the season even aired and while it was still in production, that the episode cut and the budget cut was decided by higher-ups, and that while a big fight sequence was planned for the final episodes of the season (9 and 10), because 9 and 10 were cut, the big battle was moved from s2 to s3. The final has a feel of "unfinished season" because well...... it wasn't supposed to be the end of the season 🤷♀
they should pin this!
To be fair it’s a sorta smart executive decision. Fans will cry but thinking past the starving artist art today sells off hype and knee jerk hot takes on Twitter. Sure they will cry a bit for a month or so that the final episode wasn’t peak but they will forget. Come next season ep 1 starts out rolling super high energy etc and everyone is posting on twitter/x and their back on forgetting s2. Same way surj now loves season 1 and though s2 was weaker when during s1 they thought it had some boring stuff. Also people only remember cool stuff they love ep 4 but forget all the low budget stuff to pay for that. Like anime that has 1 ten second fight with cool action and the rest of episode is static talking. People forget and hype up the 10 sec.
that makes a lot of sense. Where is this source?
@@DrippyIskathe source is he made it the f up
@@nichesceneshahahahahahahaha you are so full of yourself it's hilarious
I just love that the face of the weirwood tree that Daemon touched is George RR Martin's. Seeing into his brain :D
I love it because daemon is his favourite character
@@izziehw yesssss so fitting
@@izziehw George's fav character is Tyrion. Damon is George's fav Targeryan
Book:
Team Black vs Team Green
Series:
Rhaenyra, Daemon, Jace, Alicent, Aegon, Helaena, Larys vs Aemond
Stop complaining like a little toddler must I get you some diapers.
@@WarNeverChanges9191Get a life for yourself first. Your all comments just about hating the fictional character. Clown 🤡
And I'm all in for Team Aemond. The Kobe/LeBron of HotD.
Everybody Hates Aemond
Lol aemond is the one who betrayed his brother by burning him.
Daemon just binge watched GOT in 5 minutes 😂
Daemon realized through his visions that the greatest threat to the 7 kingdoms was the writing.
Allyn had the best scene of this season. I could really feel his pain
The perfectly justified rage of a kid whose parent neglected them all their lives and now all of a sudden wants a relationship. "Sorry, Dad, you don't just get hugs and forgiveness from me like that."
The funny thing is in chess queens move wherever they want… just like alicent, rhaenyra and haelena this season
It's unfortunate that this show is following the woke girlboss theme
@@dragerdet🤡
@dragerdet It's literally doing the opposite. These are women with perceived power but the men in their lives undercut them. Rhaenyra's Council undermines her because she wants to avoid bloodshed. Alicient is literally told by her son that she should focus on domestic duties and is taken off the council and not to mention is constantly ignored when she is present in the council
At worst the show is trying too hard to make it a Rhaenyra vs Alicient story
@@dragerdet anybody using the term woke, iq low as fuck
Where does Haelena go?
Chris: Man, do you know you're a woman?
Rana: 😯
ME: 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chris is getting cancelled lol
Chris is a king for that lmfao
Time stamp?
@@liljackypaper you'll have to watch the reaction. 😜
@@juliant I already did I didn't catch that part
The Caswells could be the ones keeping otto prisoner for hanging lord Caswell in Season 1
I thought the Beesburys at first but it's more likely the Greyjoys. Would be an interesting way to introduce them tbh.
@@joeloates1685 I thought the light have a reddish glow was an implication it is the Greyjoys, since their leader is Dalton Greyjoy, aka the RED Kraken.
@@mst3KGf mf thought it was the greyjoys because the fire is emitting light it supposed to lmfaooo.
Doubtful it's someone we haven't seen. Most likely Larys locked him up, someone else released him.
@@mst3KGf
No. Remember this is the show, not Fire & Blood.
Ulf showed more humility and manners in the bar scenes...him being a gushing asshole like this is odd, but does the job of proving Jace wasn't just a classist bigot...he was right with regard to giving power to some can have such draw backs...even tho being labeled low-born and treated as such inspires this type of jackassery
Can't wait to see all your reactions when Hugh and Ulf betray your precious kween rhae rhae 🤣
"Winter is coming" and it lasts for like an episode
You guys had a huge problem when Jace went on his rant about letting these lowborn ave dragons. But yall never gave it a single thought how risky and how bad this could backfire. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t read the books but all I’ll say is Jace was right 100%. Trust and loyalty doesn’t come just because your given a dragon, betrayal is far much easier
Bc it's literally just an exposition dump they made up for the show. Jace didn't even lead the red sowing, nor did he have any qualms about it in the book.
um they actually were pretty understanding of his point as far as i remember
@@homeostvsis in the books it was Jace idea, in the show they switched things around by making him only want people of high born. A nice addition that actually made so much more sense than the books
@@eugeniamarch no they were not, they called him annoying and a immature child for pouting. Marketa in particular
@@mattgibney4085 it's a retcon, not an addition, don't try to spin it. It's literally written just to make Rhaenyra look good, like how shes no longer as ruthless as her book counterpart. You can deny it, but they literally also added those awful Alicent-Rhaenyra meetings just to make them both look favorable in comparison to the men.
It is SO DISAPPOINTED that writers throw away whole stories about Daemon with Nettles and 'How to Train Your Dragon'
@@dakkadakka236 That would've been more enterteining than dream sequences.
Is that in the books if so which one?
My GOD no matter what you think of the writing Ramin Djawadi never. Fcking MISSES.
No matter how you feel about House Lannister.. When it cut to them and Rains of Castamere came on ... Damn that went hard
What happened to Greens vs Blacks? Not even team green are Greens anymore apparently
Did you not watch the season? It explains very well what happened to both sides.
@@yiledute And it’s dumb as hell
Bruh I think you need to watch the show it's trash what the writers did with the show it was suppose to be between two factions that were both in the right in some aspects and In the wrong in some other aspects but they turned into blacks are good and greens are bad and apperantly the most important greens in s1 are just gonna join team black or leave @@yiledute
@@gffhthjgyggh it's not trash, it could've been made better? Sure, but trash? We can discuss shows that are actually trash.
Yeahh Aemond was left alone , now everyone is so empathetic and boring , I mean they are supposed to be assholes that is why this ends how it ends.
I think Daemon finally accepted and realized that Dragon Dreams like the Song of Ice and Fire were not just fake stories, opening him to have one himself and to see what Aegon the Conqueror saw.
Well that was a solid 70 min trailer for S3!!
I assume Alicent didn't know the extent of the strength and rehab of Aegon. Larys was telling the Maester to keep it secret so that Aemond doesn't feel compelled to kill him right away.
„A son for a son“
So we are totally ignoring poor Jaehaerys.
Cool…cool cool cool
Also F Alicent.
Failed at raising Aegon, forced him to be King and now basically sacrifices him so she could dip. Seriously f her.
Suraj: “But should a rapist…”
I mean Rhaenyra literally killed innocent people for her own gain and her blockade causes massive suffering and death in Kings Landing and you’re cheering her on.
I think suraj is very bad rape victim
"the time is now" no it's in another 2 years 😂😂😂
Alicent is the worst mom everrr!!
She was forced into being one.
@@milfordgunnie4599 No, whatever she is in any other field, she was a terrible mother.
Putting chat in the video might be a good idea if it wasn't cancer
This is what happens when you stretch 4 episodes worth of content into 8 episodes. All that character build up of Daemon for him to just go "I saw it in a vision girl it has to be true". All season of everybody telling Rhaenyra to attack only for her to go "nah actually". A whole season of Alicent just walking around or something? Also someone needs to tell them you can put a whole scene together instead of showing 3 seconds of Rhaena every 15 minutes. holy shit every time she showed up for 3 seconds, I facepalmed. Also I guess the guards who's ONLY job was to escort her 'kinda forgot about her'? Like what even was this. Whole season could've happened as a raven.
Thank you. The Rhaena check ins were poorly done. Amateurish. And I agree, the slow not so subtle story with Daemon, bonked over the head at the end was weird. The sequence itself was solid, but if it happened like episode three after like two other Alys scenes that would work. The one when he meets her and she is brewing something, and then one cut down mash up with one young Rhaenyra and one Vicerys (skip his mum) moment.
I jest my lord is such a " its just a prank bro" hahahahaha
alicent giving up on aegon after forcing him on that throne... insane book alicent would never, season 1 alicent would never
Be that as it may it is a compelling plotline. Would you sacrifice your disabled child to save lives and bring peace to the realm? An impossible choice. I was curious for her answer but i guess we'll never know if she would've gone through with it.
This is way more interesting than her just being a depressed toy forgotten in a corner
Bad Writing improvising.
@@BhBc8f8 It isn't a compelling plotline. It is a massive turnaround and a complete betrayal of the character.
@@caiptainawesome807 how is it a betrayal of her character? Isn't Alicent famously known in the fandom as a bad mother anyway so what exactly is she betraying here? If this were Cersie I who talks about her children every 5 mins then yeah that would be character assassination but Alicent isn't like that so what are you on about?
I think daemon may have misread the vision. We know he sees Danny but to him he sees a Targaryen that looks vaguely like Rhaenyra with three dragons which with how peeps misinterpret prophecy in got may have thought it was the three dragon seeds she just raised up. Just a thought
Either way, she comes from the line the blacks (rhaenyra is her great(s) grandmother). Not the greens.
MAN GOTTA WAIT ANOTHER 2 YEARS FKKKK
At least we’re getting Dunk & Egg in between.
Omg that was annoying at the beginning…..don’t do that again lol
Editor getting giddy over Abigail Thorn was very cute haha
I love PhilosophyTube and didn't even notice that was her until just now. That's pretty cool.
I didn't know her and looked up Wiki. Now the comment by the couch is a bit risky. Let's just assume they didn't know her either and misspoke
@@ReuterLWoke much?
I don't think there was much chance for Daemon to declare himself, considering the Riverlords only swore their fealty _to Rhaenyra_
That's another plot inconsistency in this episode. Daemon tells Rhaenyra that the Riverlords are "sworn to me," when in the previous episode we saw that the Riverlords couldn't care less about Daemon and are instead just honoring their oath to Viserys that Rhaenyra is the true heir. I couldn't help but roll my eyes at the supposed tension when Rhaenyra arrives at Harrenhall, and we have to wonder whether Daemon would declare himself King, knowing the host of armies would never support this and would instead choose Rhaenyra's side. The writers can't even keep up with their own subplots. What a waste!
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Far, FAR too small to be The Cannibal. The only Dragon bigger than The Cannibal is Big Mamma V
And Vermithor. Vermithor is openly said in both the book and on the show to be the biggest dragon after Vhagar. The Cannibal is pretty big though and he gets a fearsome reputation in part because of how mysterious he is.
@ruchagoddessofpurgatory8513 That is NOT Cannibal. The dragon they showed was Sheepstealer. That's the dragon Rhaena gets. Cannibal hasn't been mentioned yet in the show.
@@mst3KGf That's not the Cannibal dude. The dragon showed at the end was Sheepstealer. That's the dragon Rhaena will look to claim.
@@Targaryen_Historian That's what we're saying.
@@Targaryen_Historian they didn’t say it was Cannibal
At the beginning of the season the WAR WAS COMING and now it is stil Coming....
Winter was coming for 7 seasons of GOT, so, it tracks. Lol
I never read the books but if The Dance is what causes the downfall of the Targaryens than it'd make sense for that to take place in the final season, so until then they're just doing whatever.
@@daurydavis3983 the Dance is the whole thing. Its already started. But this bs their doing is stretching it out to 5 seasons.
@@govinddas7876 let’s be real if you are missing the battles from the books to this point, you approached it wrong. You think they have the budget for all that or the fact most involve characters we do not care about. Even in the book, it throws out so many names and works great for the book, but for a paragraph or two they were not going to invest in that. Kind of like the Burning Mill.
@@LaCheeserie I didnt mention battles at all, you did. This whole season could've wrapped up in 4 episodes, battle or not.
Alicent is yet to lie, she has been wrong and stupid but she aint lied
She lies for personal stuff like tea of the poppy and setting up nights to have Sex with Cole
Well it depends on your definition of lie. If you tell someone something false, is it not a lie as long as you believe it?
She told Aegon that Viserys changed his mind. He didn't. So technically she lied. She just doesn't know that she lied.
@@liljackypaper I think lying requires intention. You need to intentionally believe that your information isn't trustworthy.
I can sort of see why you don't trust Alicent but don't you see how she is telling the truth. She's been struggling with the weight of this war all season, and only learned of how it was all based on a misunderstanding a couple of episodes ago. Since then, her son has been burned nearly to death and her other son is becoming a tyrant, causing the small folk to starve and therefore lash out against the crown, which nearly maimed or worse killed Alicent and Helaena. In the last episode where she strolled in the Kingswood, she saw a bird in the sky above her and it was like a symbolism for her freedom. That is what she truly desires. After all, she's not the queen anymore. I assume she is unaware of any progress Aegon is making in his recovery because the last time she visited him he was asleep. The only person who seems to visit everyday is Larys, who also made that plan to take him to Essos by himself from what we can gather. In this episode, before she even considers going to Dragonstone, she is asking Helaena how she would feel about leaving. This is before Aemond tries to force Helaena to take to her dragon, an act which seemed to infuriate Alicent. She has repeatedly mentioned "you know what Aemond is" and knows damn well he is responsible for Aegon's incident. When she arrives at Dragonstone, she tells Rhaenyra she just wants to take Helaena and her daughter to live free somewhere, after all even Helaena said she was happier before she was queen. She grappled a little bit with the decision of whether to spare Aegon's life or not, but at this point her freedom, her daughter and granddaughter's freedom are more important to her. Rhaenyra told her bluntly, "history will paint you a villain", because of course, what mother would order the murder of her son, the king she created, in exchange for her freedom?! The final shot of the two looking out into the distance reads to me like an exchange of burden. Alicent set this in motion, and has now put the burden of all the death and destruction in Rhaenyra's hands. She is now free to discover what kind of woman she is by herself, without the men around her to guide her, something Rhaenys alluded to her after Viserys died. Whether or not we will get to see it play out that way, I doubt as obviously a huge part of the plan has gone awry unbeknownst to Alicent. Aegon is on his way to Essos.
I was honestly very frustrated by this episode. It was good on its own, but as a finale of a season that has been almost nothing but buildup for the next season, it felt like a tease in a bad way. I have no idea why we only got 8 episodes this time when it literally feels like this episode should have been a leadup to a climactic final episode that still leaves a lot for the next season. I also can acknowledge that as a book reader I thought I had a fairly good idea of where this season should have ended, so being left hanging like this just feels unsatisfying as hell. I've been enjoying the slower pace of this season because I thought it was going to be paid off before having to wait another 2 years, but I was wrong. As a writer myself I really want to know what was the reasoning for this structure, because I struggle to think it was a narrative one.
Same feels as me, and I suspect it was a studio decision not a creative one in an attempt to save money in the short term and shunting the problem of even more costs to future execs (and possibly made after the scripts had been mostly written, which is why it’s such a jarring omission)
hi, hello. good to find fellow writers here.
i think this season's writers got greedy. they thought too highly of themselves. over indulging in character's dynamics and sracrificing the pace as a result. that... or they feared that if they didn't stretch it enough, the final product would feel rushed. why only 8 episodes? budget, perhaps?
any way, i agreed with you. this season fell short. selling us promises but delaying its fulfillment. hope they won't f- up the next one.
It gave me the feel that we are in episode 1 again very weird and not satisfying.
I believe it was for budget reasons the season was shorter
@@roryasrorri701 Budget. The battles that were planned to end the season got moved to season 3.
If they use “House of the Dragon” to Retcon the ending of Game of Thrones, I don’t think anybody would be mad.
"it is hard but it cannot be helped" i mean he's right, how do you expect to fight back and not kill anyone. what do you expect during a war...
Rhaena like half the season: 👁👄👁
I'm sick of that expression
@@BK-ob3lo Yeah I like the actress but she needed better scenes
You could really tell the exact part when Zaslav reduced the season by 2 episodes :/
They forgot Dance of Dragon is between Aegon and Rhaenyra not Alicent and Rhaenyra so son for a son was that was whole point of Blood and Cheese but show try hard to push AliRhae ship it is bad for show and writing
Navi, not every interaction is clash of pure right vs pure wrong. Try to be more patient and understanding. Suraj is really good at this 😂.
Whether intentional or not this show is turning into royalist propaganda. Look at the over the top gasps over what Ulf says to Rhaenyra. It ain't that serious
Right? They want to use this guy as essentially an enslaved sword due to his dragon, and they get angry at his lack of decorum? Plus, he was RIGHT, he's not a knight yet, because the Blacks have given them nothing but the promise of status. He should have pressed that point.
@@kinggriffinhammer6834 Well... Having a dragon compensates all of that. I guess the Blacks gave them that, even if they were risking their lives
Deamon Seeing everything thats Coming shows just so much how Season 8 and the Plot made no sense at all at the end of GoT
This finale was so bad it forced me to look back over the whole season. For my self in particular it was Rhaenyra, whom I just grew to hate more and more. I am absolutely done with this show. I’ll cross my fingers on A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, coming out in 2025.
I can't believe they destroyed Alicent's character for a fanfic, like why adapt story if you are gonna change it?
What did they do?
Admiral Lohar of whoever being a youtuber makes a lot of sense. Their acting was awful
Facts
Nope
Y’all need to remove the twitch chat from the videos
People are incapable of not saying book spoilers and now the entire shows ending is spoiled for me and many others
Don't have to read it, I didn't even notice it.
alicent not lie, she dont know aegon leaves king landing
Alicent is the worst. She put her son on the throne even though he didn't want it. She refused to listen to Rhaenyra, and after losing her place on the small council, she will sacrifice her son to live her life
Well she didn't sacrifice her son though. She refused that point.
And again Viserys put Aegon on the throne (which was a misunderstanding) in his final words.
Alicent merely followed what was given to her.
@@SSW777 She did, but Aegon managed to escape.
If she thought that this was the king's wish, then what has changed now?
To be fair, as far as Alicent is concerned, Aegon won’t recover from his injuries and thus killing him might as well be a mercy. Problem is that she’s also condemning Aemond (who deserves it) and Daeron (who does not) because they pose a threat to Rhaenyra’s claim.
She made mistakes but she was forced into a life she didn't want just like Aegon.
People forgetting that Otto Hightower has been literally planning for years along with the rest of the Small Council for the male heir to inherit the Iron Throne. Whether Aegon wanted to or not was of little consequence. Even if he just dropped dead, Otto would improvise and Aemond would've been crowned, the green's position of legitimacy would've just been weakened.
Ryan Condal says showing Daenerys in Daemon’s vision doesn't confirm she is The Prince That Was Promised
He is just a hired writer he has no authority to tell who is the prince
23:28 Well, that actor did play Torstein in the first 3 seasons of Vikings. And Abigail's character is literally what I imagine a true Norwegian shield maiden looks and acts like lol.
They had estrogen replacement back then?
An eye for an eye last season was too much.
But a son for a son in this season is ok?
After that’s already been paid anyway.
You take a scene at face value without acknowledging the history before it. When Aemond goes to get Heleana and Alicent stops him, you guys agree with Alicent, but do you realize that Aemond is fighting the war that Alicent and her father started? And now that things are out of her hands, she wants peace.
Woods with a weirwood tree are called godswoods (at a castle).
The God's Eye is the lake at Harrenhal.
Last season's co-showrunner Miguel Sapnochnik navigated the pacing much better. This season was uneven and patchy with an overall unremarkable ending.
not to mention few character assassination and not keeping to the books at all but creating ffs
Why do you need to have scenes between two top billed actress if they are assumedly at war with each other? I have never seen a security so lax that the mother of the king can just enter a enemys stronghold at seemingly withouth any resistance. The world has fantastical elements but it should still maintain some consistency in the way the world works. I also dont think that these visits are written by George R Martin but rather added by either the showrunner or the screenwriters for certain episodes,
Wet fart, the best description for this episode...
People complaining about season 2 not ending in a grand battle clearly weren't paying attention the tenor of the season...the story was thin to start...I'm going to be more disappointed that they end it this way and still make people wait 2 years for season 3. I haven't seen news on if they have already been filming and are just knocking it out or where they are at.
The dragons aren’t bound to follow their riders every command. Vhaegar for example.
In her defense she only did it once.
@@Ashbrash1998 AND she felt Aemons Rage against Lucerys
Vhagar is a mad lad War Veteran Girl...shes so old she gives a fuck what she kills and burns ^^
Vhagar still rightfully obeys Aemond, like she should. Get over it.
Lol, you team Black copers are insufferable.
@@Plagueis_The_Wise Viserys Said it himself....Control over the Dragons is a illusion.
youre maybe to shortsightet to understand that the Dragons tolerate a bond to someone but they dont need to
Vermithor seems like to respect Hugh and bonded...not acting like a pet
That "Come with me" is the confirmation that Alicent has always been in love with Rhaenyra. It's the only explanation. Remember that Alicent kept for years the page of a book Rhaenyra gave her? Well, that and this can only be explained as romantic tropes. Normal people don't go around telling their friends that they're finally free and embracing their true self and two seconds later asking them to run away together. Rhaenicent is canon until season 3 proves me wrong(?).
"She holds love for our enemy... That makes her a fool."
- Aemond (was right all along)
I 100% believed Alicent. I think the plan goes to hell when Rhaneyra arrives to find him missing.
And thank the God's for that. Aegon better force Alicent to watch as punishment, while he feeds your precious rhae rhae to Sunny Boy 😊😂🍿🔥🐉
Larys is not helping Aegon out of the kindness of his heart. This is strictly a move made out of self preservation. Alicent no longer has any power and Aemond is too smart to fall for his 💩 he is literally out of moves so he has to help Aegon escape
Ulf is very “new money after winning the lottery.”
And it shows.
They Actually changed the gender of Lohar which means Blacksmith.
@@raoufkhalid757 they haven’t changed the genders. The character is referred to in the show as he and him.
@@residentfan1521 Actually character's sex is changed but it is her society that genders her as a man because her leadership skills.
The Cult says her pronouns are he/him. NOW OBEY
@@raoufkhalid757His sex was not changed. He is played by a male.
@@ahsink.3080 a trans woman*
looks like somebody went to Comic Con last week with all the goodies on the table!
rhaenyra dodging his kiss was fucking hilarious tbh
the book spoilers in your twitch chat are wild, does anyone moderate there?
Daemon's development was replaced by divine intervention and a game of thrones recap
Alicent: “I fuvked up”
Me: “Naaaa fam, stay there”
😂😂😂
A gentle reminder that for a lot of GOT the finales were the "resolution" for the season arcs. For a lot of it the penultimate was the big moment. It didn't have to be a battle. The big moment was the dragonseeds claiming their dragons. That oner was crazy.
I really thought the season would end with the battle of the Gullet. With less filler scenes this season, it would have fit. With the loss of you know who, it would have made a good parallel with the end of season 1
That was probly the plan before the writer strike threw a wrench in
@@AzkuulaKtaktu Ryan Condal said that the writer's strike didn't affect HotD.
@@Cariboudesplaines Lack of Budget probably and time .
Naively people think war can be waged without innocents suffering.
The acting is pretty much uniformly amazing, somewhat let down by puzzling writing choices. I read that doing 8 episodes instead of 10 was HBO’s call so can’t blame that on the writers tho.
I don’t think there would be this much backlash if this was the S1 finale but this is the second straight season of “ok the prologue is out of the way, IT’S ON for real next season” you can’t pull that trick more than once.
Can you tell me what leads you to think Alicent is lying? Everything she has done points to her being 100% real. I didn’t read the books and considering the series I imagine something could change in 3 days but there is no way Alicent was lying there.
"Harrenhall monitor" was good
"But +10 for the dress." Awwww you twooo.
"a son for a son" so did everyone just forget what blood and cheese did? wtf is this writing
In this case Rhaenyra is offering Alicent safe conduct for Helaena in exchange for Aegon's head. It's not that hard...
@@kriskelvin5775 they should put you in the writing room you and the writers have the same lack of skill
Technically it wasn’t Alicent son
@@zavthe1371 Jacaerys is not Alicent's son. Try harder.
@@milfordgunnie4599 Are you retarded?
I enjoyed this finale and think it'll watch well when we have season three. Season three will be wild. I am also among the few who really liked Daemon's subplot this season.
“They pulling daeron i hope they left him in old town” oh girl, he is their MVP
I’ll say it for you guys: this season sucked. The story barely progressed with each episode and that’s a major problem. Yes, some events occurred, but this whole season could have been condensed into 2-3 episodes max. There is no excuse why daemon hallucinated for the entire season. The writers fumbled this series hard, especially considering it’s NOT A LONG STORY TO BEGIN WITH!
You haters are exhausting. This season was extremely well written.
They are not alone. I have no idea who Abigail thorn is. Looked her up, still don't get it.
I don't think seeing chat is worth it. It's either book spoilers or wet blankets going, 'this scene suuucks' every time
I’m sure a few have commented but in case not, yes Rhaenyra is The Realm’s Delight. Not sure the show used it, but it is in the book.
In the books Jace has Sympathy towards Bastards and that is why he came up with the idea of Dragon Seeds but in the show they totally going in other direction with him.
Bastards yes, lowborn no. He was fine w darklyn trying in the series cause he is highborn. So he is the same in the show
@@pfang32 but bastards are lowborn??
@@pfang32 I don't think Darklyn was a bastard.
Not all bastards are lowborn. Jon Snow is a pretty good example, it's illustrated with the comment about assisting banquets; he wasn't allowed to sit with the main family but he had it relatively good in comparison.
@@marcoslugo6132 yeah but the bastards here are lowborn except Jace.
If you read the book then you know that there was no way that they could put the battle of the gods eye in the last ten minutes of the show. Everything on the show changes forever after this battle 😢
People forget that not every season needs nonstop violence and action.
GOT was at its best when it was slow and calculated.
People never run out of things to complain about.
Chris you literally watch TV for a living. There was zero chance they showed a massive fight right at the end of the season finale 😂