A few things studios need to do: 1 - Stop trying to make a certain movie appeal to every demographic. 2 - Not every movie needs a sequel. 3 - Not every movie needs to be turned into a franchise. 4 - Source material matters. This is probably the most important thing given how many intellectual properties are adapted into movies and TV shows.
@@no_activity I think both of those fall into the source material one. Aslan being a Jesus archetype in Narnia and Dune having Abrahamic religious coding are part of the source material. Star Trek's Vulcan is essentially a successful communist society, where everybody fulfills a role in the close-knit high trust ethno-state, supposedly "celebrating" IDIC but are actually very conservative, explicitly excluding foreigners and their sensibilities from their culture and traditions. That's why Sarek's line is so interesting, because Sarek married a human woman, had a full Vulcan kid that had forsaken their ways, and had a half breed son that ran away and joined the military. But now we have this black adopted human daughter Michael no one talks about who basically plays Spock and it's a slap in the face of TOS.
Right out of the gate, Chris nails one of the key factors why the Lord of the Rings trilogy was such an artistic success. When reflecting on the films, Sir Ian McKellen said that the experience was like working on a remote indie film rather than an eight or nine figure blockbuster, with all the creative freedom it allowed.
I think the main takeaway is that people who love movies need to be making movies. I’ve always wanted to ask a film executive these questions: Do you even like movies? Do you spend your free time watching movies? Would you personally watch the movies you produce? If I thought that 99 percent of the movies I produced were of low quality, I couldn’t live with myself.
I completely agree. When I heard JJ Abrams admit that he didn't have a thought out plan for the Star Wars sequels he worked on, I wanted to jump through the screen at him and even worse to me, he acted like it wasn't even a big deal... I found it insulting honestly and like you said I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing how little respect I gave to such a prolific franchise.
As some one who just started taking accounting. The answer is: that they are making the most sensible decisions from a making money business position. My favorite studio right now is A24, they have made some great stuff them and magnet/magnolia. Director wise I always try to go see Wes Anderson, when you just have a a clear vision that comes onto screen it's easy to be enjoyed. Tuesday I went and saw A24's E.E.A.A.O. and it was one of the best things I've seen all year.
@@LithmusEarth I realize that money is the primary motivation, but a true film fan would seek to create films that blend artistic merit and commercial viability. Film producers also need to reflect on what the purpose of making money is. Beyond basic survival, money allows people to pursue their goals and interests, but if your business practices are creating a culture that conflicts with your interests, is the pursuit of money truly worth it? What purpose does it serve other than to sustain your carnal impulses?
@@LithmusEarth but I can't understand how, if they're really making sensible business decisions, do they keep making bad movies no one wants to see? I'm not a film maker or a writer or anything, I just enjoy this channel. I'm glad the channel touched on this topic because this has been something that's bothered me for a long time. For example, I worked in retail foodservice for a long time. If we consistently put out a product that didn't sell or meet our profit margins, we stopped selling that product and replaced it with something else. Why doesn't the film industry do the same? If they keep making these soulless, formulaic movies and those movies continue to be box office flops, why do they keep making them? It irks the hell out of me from a creative perspective, but just makes no sense to me from a financial perspective.
Chris is spot on. The Lord of the Rings films were a miracle. The hobbit films had too much studio intervention. Extending such a short book into three films was a bad idea. To be honest the making of the hobbit films was better than their own trilogy.
Yeah it’s ironic that the making of the hobbit is more interesting than the actual movies, they should’ve kept it to one solid movie and followed the story exactly, the movies were so bad and it was such a let down because I love lord of the rings movies so much
@@bruhdon4748 Same. So many unessary scenes in the DOS and the battle of five armies. Cgi looked bad on the orcs. The movies missed the point about Bilbo being the main focus. He was a side character in his own story. Don't get me started about the quote about the message of the book where thoren says if we valued home and cheer obove gold it would be a merrier world. The studios wanted to make money above all I'm looking at you WB and MGM.
@@KCjones707 I feel about the rings of power like I feel about the Rise of Palpatine. I feel about the Hobbit films like I feel about The Last Jedi. I feel about the PJ LOTR films like I feel about the whole prequel trilogy.
I thought he was a hack for a long time. When he was on G4. But his vid series here has been quite impressive. In G4 days I dont recall him being critical or analysing anything. Just pushed films. Now he's going into why films suck now. And he provides good insight.
The film industry used to be populated with people who adore films, Spielberg, Lucas, Milius, Tarantino, Kubrick, Scorsese. Now the film industry is overflowing with people who view films as a means to get fame and money. It happened to music in the 1990s, it happened to comics in the 2000s, it happened to video games in the 2010s, and it happened to movies slowly over the course of the last 40 years. Real artists have bean replaced by opportunistic weasels in every entertainment medium.
"It happened to music in the 1990's" Limp Biscuit. "It happened to comic's in the 2000's" Captain Marvel "It happened to videogames in the 2010's" Call of Doodie???? Haha.
Just look at the writers nowadays? Bunch of checkbox inserts, with little to no life experience, or a modicum of understanding how interpersonal relationships or family dynamics work? Their ridiculous and nonsensical characters and storylines, certainly reflect it. As the great Critical Drinker once mentioned, great men like J.R.R Tolkien wrote LOTR while in rat infested trenches during the Battle of Somme, while these token hires claim to fame is fighting the great Battle of Gamergate 😂
This man’s insight into the film industry is out of this world, and when someone who has this kind of insight says, “I don't think we will ever see like a George Lucas, or a Gene Roddenberry, or someone like that ever again,” it is truly saddening.
Hollywood would never allow it. They would never allow a man to have that much control over a franchise plus the studio would demand representation from every group over the story.
There's still directors doing their own thing. Only problem is they are unable to compete with established IPs. Not every new movie has John Wick like success. 😻
I disagree that we will never see that again. With computers and software and AI getting better and better by the day it will only make it easier and easier for someone with a vision and a script to fully produce a franchise or movie by themselves in their free time in the future. It will get to the point where you just tell the AI what you want and it will make it for you with no effort on your part. We already have software like that now its just not commercially wide spread yet.
One of the biggest issues with the "Franchise" approach to older works, such as Star Wars, is that they try to cash in on the wrong things. I think Book of Boba Fett is a great example. No one really wanted to see chubby Boba walk around being all "peace and love." Because Boba was always the mysterious bounty hunter, even when George Lucas expanded on him in the prequels they left a lot in the mystery. The Mandalorian is a much better delivery on the same fantasy. You make a new character and a new story, that's "the same, but different." That way you don't run the risk of ruining the illusion of previous characeters. Ironically, from what I know, Lucas was never fond of the Mandalorian mythos, as he never created it. And yet it's become a popular mythos because those who created it understood Star Wars. The money grabbers don't, and so they ruin their own money bags with greed and "design by Committee" trying to make something that "everyone" will like, and failing to please anyone.
I'm surprised Chris didn't mention the Hobbit movies when making his Lord of the Rings comparisons, those two trilogies are a great case study in what studio meddling can do to a franchise. Peter Jackson has actually said in one of those interviews that his original Lord of the Rings trilogy just felt like doing a "really big kiwi film." He basically admits that trilogy was just a really big independent project with nearly unlimited resources, and it shows. The Hobbit movies were famously co-produced by TWO studios. They did not allow deadline changes after Del Toro left giving Jackson mere months to prepare production versus the literal years he had for Lord of the Rings. The studios also opted to add in the infamous love triangles, something that even the actress Evangeline Lily wanted to avoid. But sure enough the two studios needed their boxes checked. Those Lord of the Rings movies are cinematic treasures and the Hobbit movies are... well... not.
Yes, when you look at THE most successful franchises out there, they're often pet projects that were developed in some form for ten years or so by a singular auteur, who took their time collecting notes and ideas free of pressure, before they even worked in Hollywood. It's far different than the result you get from a corporate movie farm.
@@FredMaverik Star Wars. Alien. Terminator. Indiana Jones. Avatar. And successful books that became huge films: Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and more... Just off the top of my head.
@@RM_VFX None of the first four began as franchises. They came in an era before that word had been attached to anything more than McDonalds or NFL teams. Avatar is from a totally different era and for me is the epitome of awful corporate movie-making: all money, eye-candy, piss and wind. 'Franchise' is just a consequence of licensing and selling a brand.
As always, thanks for having Mr Gore on. He's a breath of fresh air. I think that how the studios have acted, has ruined the average fan as well. Personal example: I have a script that encapsulates a fifteen year relationship into four days. It's highly personal, about me and my best friend through my twenties: a 6'6'' 375 pound Mexican dude. It's just us and a bunch of insane obstacles on the road trip. No one else is on for more that seven minutes. In real life, He was diagnosed with lukemia and was dead two days later. It was devistating. So I got our 15 year relationship into 4 days, 105 minutes. I brought the script to my buddies at the comedy club I frequent, and they were wanting to change the ages and races, and adding a third wheel lady character so they can add a friend in. They were talking merch, sequels, comic books. I have never shown them anything again. Hollywood has poisoned expectations. I was writing a love letter to the guy 10 years older than me that taught me how to be an adult. Everyone else wanted a Cinematics Universe. Ridiculous. I love Mr. Gore. I've been writing 2000 words a day, every day since he was on Attack of the Show.
It's a matter of time, because Hollywood now does the *exact same thing* that they did in the 1950's...which ended with a small Steven Spielberg movie (about 3 men vs a shark) , followed by a small George Lucas movie (about a space farmboy and a dashing scoundrel, rescuing a kidnapped space princess).
This explains all the articles I've seen where corporations look at popular novels and dont understand how a franchise about a painter or traveler can have huge fanbases when nothing cool is happening. So obsessed with making merch they forget its just a bonus and not the primary goal
A classic example of pure, creative visionary film making spawned from a fever dream that Jim Cameron had for the Terminator. Look how that turned into a franchise.
"Dollar store Game of Thrones" Wow-WEE, I agree whole-heartedly with that Rings of Power assessment. It also really resonated with me when you brought up how Peter Jackson *_respected_* Tolkien's work when making the Lord of The Rings Trilogy---and being far away from Hollywood or any other distracting influences that might have interfered with the creative vision.
House of the Dragon is the real budget-brand GoT; desperately aping the imagery and iconography of the earlier show, even down to physical casting choices, but done with about half the skill and a tenth of the actual purpose. It's a desperate, artistically bankrupt, sloppily put together and lazily scripted knock-off masquerading as a lore-expanding prequel; as cynical, pointless and crass an example of the pure merchandising of a television IP that I think I can remember, certainly since "Caprica".
@@ANonymous-mo6xp , true fans hated the Disney movies and no toys were sold. Nobody asking for Rey Skywalker sequels. Like when kids were buying the toys and demanding Lucas made sequels in the 80s. A decade goes by and he made the prequel instead the toys sold well except for Jar Jar.
The thing there, of course, is that the toys sold because they told a compelling story in a gigantic universe where there was infinite room for imagination to make more. That's why there are so many fan projects, writings, etc for these worlds. The Star Wars or Star Trek universes are so large, you get yourself a toy Mon Cal cruiser, make up a name, and you're off to attack the Empire shipyards on Balkin or some other place you made up. They leave lots of room for you to write your own stories, and even self insert.
@@castortroy1853I instantly thought of the last Tom Cruise Mission Impossible film. A series that has passed its expiration date. The film was not interesting enough to make me care about seeing the next two and a half hour ending.
The compromises that have hurt films have always been made out of fear, not to make it better. Execs have no artistic taste, just a vague sense of what audiences want and anything that conflicts with that terrifies them. That terror infects the rest of production so that the innovation and creativity is synonymous with risk.
Even South Park had an episode called Banned in China that talked about this very issue, where China tells the directors (of mostly superhero movies) what they can or cannot have in the movie. Just recently China said for the new Spiderman, you can’t have the Statue of Liberty in the film. 🙄
Film franchises, imo, fail today because companies don't know when to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Not just in terms of making money, but when a story has reached its end. Everything continues to be resurrected and details beaten to death in the dirt and then brushed off and then reused with nothing new to the original idea. SW is the perfect example of this and the MCU. And the audiences who continue to see these movies, and then complain about them, are the ones who should MOSTLY take blame. The companies are only catering to what they devour.
Agreed. A story must have an end. If you must continue with new stories set in the same universe, at least make it clear they are separate from each other (not sequels). To continue the same narrative endlessly makes the contextualization of all the events impossible.
@@bmcfonzie Yes, this is how I definitely feel about prequels. Most pointless part of the story ever. Just start at the beginning, wherever that is, and don't go back unless it's a flashback in a story.
I love listening to Chris Gore break this stuff down. His perspective is so refreshing and he’s surgical with his breakdown of the functional and non-functional aspects of the movie industry
This is why I will always defend both Stallone and the Rocky franchise. Even before Rocky 5 sullied the name of the IP for over a decade, people even in the 80s were joking that Stallone was getting too old and was a one trick pony. Not only did Rocky 6 breathe new life into both the franchise and his career, but then we got 2 more worthy sequels with him in the mentor role. Sure Stallone didn't direct all of them but they still got what Sly wanted from the story and we the fans got to be entertained.
The Rocky & Rambo franchises and similar arcs. They started off great, went steadily downhill in the 80s (Rambo III aged particularly badly 😉) & found new life in the 21st century. I didn’t really like the last Rambo film, but The 2008 Rocky was really good & Rocky Balboa & both Creed movies were terrific.
Chris Gore's wisdom also applies to TV series franchises. AMC, pay attention. Your company screwed up by removing Frank Darabont from TWD & Dave Erickson from Fear TWD & handing them over to inexperienced rookies like Scott Gimple, Angela Kang, Ian Goldberg & Andrew Chambliss.
I was a massive fear the walking dead fan and watched it religiously but when Erickson left and Morgan came in I stopped watching it entirely. It went from being a show about how a family were forced by the apocalypse to somewhat become villains to TWD b-series.
Scott Gimple is the dumbest guy I have ever seen. He has some weird preference to Morgan. That he was mysterious on how he would turn out. Only for him to be some hysterical peace guru that goes bad - good - very bad - whiny - then semi good again - nope now he’s a killer again. The writing got worse on both shows because it became too soap operay. The characters only spend time walking in the forest talking about their feelings without really going anywhere or stumbling across some location where they scavenge. It just became dull and predictable.
In a way they did them a favour; TWD was spent after season 4, but they kept stringing it out and recycling it until it became self-parody. Darabont was ousted early enough that he needn't take any blame for the tired, sadistic mess the show morphed into.
Totally agree. Too many cooks, too much politics, too much modern day sensibilities/wokeness (from a tiny very vocal group which is sadly dominant in Hollywood) and not enough quality writing, heart, character development, story telling and escapism.
I imagine when HBO set up to make seasons 8 and 9 of Game of Thrones they asked George R.R. Martin how it would end and all he responded with was a selfie of him smoking a cigar on top of a pile of money flipping them the bird.
I think directors used to have more name recognition with the public and therefore had leverage. Nowadays only us nerds know who directors are and people are more likely to know the names of youtubers.
I now understand why we got "Batman and Robin", must have sold a lot of happy meals. Batman Returns Catwoman has a strong and distinct persona, all the later films made her so vanilla and meaningless.
That's why I've started my own things. Working on a graphic novel that currently has volume 2 in the making. Merchandise will be done by myself and my artist, so basically, everything creative will stay right here. No big corpo will be behind the process. GH-057 STORY isn't famous, and I'm too bad at marketing to make it so. But it's something I can be passionate about and have my artist have a job for a few years. If we get fans excited along the journey, it's even better.
James Cameron deserves a mention here too. Alita was his vision made by his friend Robert Rodriguez and the passion for Yukito Kishiro's story really showed.
Very good Thoughts! Though,, there is an interesting counter to the "single creative mind" idea when you look into the original Star Wars IV, A New Hope. Geroge Lucas had a lot of strange ideas and bulkiness to the story. Other creators and editors helped him craft what it became. Sometimes a team helps. But, it wasn't a corporate team, but an artistic team. Big difference.
He also had to revise it and kind of dumb it down and focus on the action. Dropping most of the politics. Stuff like Richard Nixon's Emperor/Wizard of OZ character and the grand over the top effects scenes, and big sets. The prequel was a lot more like what his 1974 script was. The 77 film was amazing to fans but it always bugged George because all he could see was where he compromised his vision.
Please keep having Chris. I am writing my own stuff right now and just hearing his and just a list of other's take on writing and entertainment are just the best advice I could ask for. You guys have made my life so much easier with the amazing people you interview.
Quentin Tarantino famously said that if you truly do love movies, you can't help but make a good movie. Just make what you already love and you will care too much to fail.
World War Z & Zombieland. Both had the potential to become adapted as successful ongoing TV series outside of future film sequels. The Walking Dead franchise is a huge disappointment too.
Star Wars is utterly dead to me. Jurassic Park is pure by-the-numbers garbage now. The Bond films have been way too self-important and dour for years now, and got completely eclipsed by the much better Mission Impossible franchise imho. Terminator has never progressed since T2, and similarly the Predator and Alien franchises have limped along sadly since their second movies (thank Christ we at least had Fassbender doing some heavy lifting in the last xenomorph outings, at least). I've always hated the Fast & Furious franchise, for the sheer idiocy of it all, terrible scripts and mind-numbing dialogue, and the fact that they're now into their 10th outing is pretty emblematic of what passes for acceptable in Hollywood nowadays.
James Bond. Casino Royale was great. Daniel Craig was great. But the sequels went rapidly downhill and in the wrong direction. So much potential wasted.
In hindsight it is actually astonishing how incredibly good The Lord of the Rings movies turned out to be. There is no way in hell they could be made to that level of quality today.
The argument that such powerhouse and original franchises as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Mobile Suit Gundam that exploded out of the seventies were the last of their kind is I think only acknowledging what they did and not what people did with them in turn. We aren't getting the creative visions of the modern-day Lucas', Rodenberrys, or Tominos because those very same people proved that there are literal truckloads of money to be made with these properties and the companies want to get in on that by making their own (i.e. with their creative bankruptcy they call "input") or at least milk the franchises they do have for all they're worth. If we want another franchise that's both original and of good quality, two things need to happen: 1) find the right creator who would be willing to even make such a behemoth for such a long time, and 2) get someone who would be willing to pay for it. The alternative is to be insanely rich and make the movie out of your own pocket with your own skills and telling anyone who wants a piece of it to screw off. That worked for Howard Hughes.
Ironically from those three franchise. Gundam was the first one who got screwed up by studio intervention . For example, Char's counter attack and the original planned version CCA Beltorchika's Childern. If you ask Gundam hardcore fans, which version are their favorite. They will say Beltorchika version. The version Tomino write before Sunrise intervention.
The comment at the start about Peter Jackson getting away with things because he was in New Zealand reminds me of Alton Brown. He started his show (Good Eats) for the Food Network in Georgia partly to get away from meddling studio execs. If he was in the same building (or city) people would have come over all the time telling him what to do. By filming in Georgia, he made sure people only came to set if they had something really important to say, and he got a lot more creative control by keeping physical distance.
Because a story needs an ending. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. Except from a business viewpoint you have a beginning , a middle, another middle, more middle, and on and on and on.
I'm most disappointed with Star Wars, because it's such an easy franchise to understand, but maybe that's why it's done so badly these days; people tend to overthink it. I'm really not satisfied with any movie franchise right now. Everything seems to disappoint me now. I think the last movie I really liked, that was part of a franchise, was Logan (from the X-Men franchise). I loved Joker, but the DC franchise as a whole is a terrible mess. And don't get me started on the MCU. Ugh.
I’m both excited and concerned for Jurassic World Dominion and Halloween Ends. I feel like they’re trying to do something new and different, and hopefully it ends these two franchises on a good note.
Dune. I had my criticisms, but it was more than acceptable in my book---at the very least it was a clear effort at doing justice to a science fiction classic.
Peter Jackson spoke about exactly that in the behind-the-scenes material for his earlier film, "The Frighteners" - the freedom of shooting the film in New Zealand, with the studio execs half a world away. Say what you like about that film (personally I love it) but it's clearly not a "normal" Hollywood product; it's very much a Peter Jackson film but made with huge wads of Hollywood money.
Wow this was incredibly refreshing to hear, everywhere you look people argue about what's ruining films and entertainment, but in this video Chris Gore sees through that and knows where the real problem lies, and that's with large studios/production companies limiting creators from telling their story, the would be George Lucas's of the world just don't have the same freedom he did with filmmaking and it's really sad that those times have ended and we'll never be seeing true creative works ever again from Hollywood.
Studio intervention has been on the rise ever since the golden age’s philosophy of “make a lot and maybe some will be good” ended. But the power of the people against cooperate interests is stronger than it ever has been. Cameras, computers, and distribution are cheaper than ever; Studios will adapt or become irrelevant. Only thing keeping them alive now are IPs. It’ll be interesting to see what studios do when all their copyrights void 900,000 years from now.
Peter Jackson had passion. And he loved the source material. He loves making movies. That passion is what I hope to see in Avitar movies (I can hope right???).
Great points by Chris Gore on film franchises,since the poor quality sequels of NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET,FRIDAY THE 13TH.(outside of Victor Miller's lengthy lawsuit),and STAR WARS have really hurt those franchises and the TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and HELLRAISER film franchises might be soon joining that very lot.
hellraiser was in that lot before even the reboot attempts for nightmare, chainsaw, and friday. say what you want about those other three franchises, but at least their sequels were theatrical releases, and not direct to video or even worse, a scifi channel original. also, the best friday and nightmare movies were sequels. well, at least to me. friday 7 and dream warriors, respectively. i know im in something of a minority for friday 7, a lot of people hate the psychic girl plot.
As the tech gets better and the crews get smaller, and price of production drops , we'll see a new Era of franchises. It has already started on various RUclips channels.
The only thing I disagree with him on is whether we'll see that stuff again. James Gunn, Edgar Wright, so forth. It still happens. Just remember how tiny Roddenberry and Lucas were when they broke through. Movies are cyclical. As is moviemaking. If the post-Hays creative greatness of the 70's can follow the Studio System of the previous generations then trust me, it can happen again.
I'm no fan of Gunn,Wright,Tarantino,J.J. Abrams,Mike Flanagan,Ari Aster,Rob Zombie,or any of the other modern filmmakers,but I do get your point. And no,I don't follow nor listen to any of the Harry Knowles inspired corporate genre magazines,corporate major studios,corporate mini-major studios(such as Lionsgate and A24), and corporate genre new sites and the Knowles inspired fans as I wisely follow my own path(and not Knowles and his minions.
@@stevenmillan9220 That's some quality pre-strawman defense. But yes, even with that, you get my point that year filmmakers are still out there just as much as they ever were. Whether you like their creations or not is irrelevant to whether they're able to make the movies they want. The merits of their work is a valid discussion, just not relevant to this discussion.
I highly doubt the big studios will wake up from their love of focus groups, virtue checkboxing, and algorithms any time soon. The numbers tell them it works. Change will have to come from smaller studios recognizing good ideas.
The word "Franchise" is a evil word. Star Wars, Terminator, Aliens etc is 3 movies (despite the third's not being the greatest). Jaws, Halloween, Friday The 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street etc is 1 movie. Going a 5th, 7th, 9th or 22nd movie is a bad idea and things get diluted and messed up.
General audiences just aren't interested in well written stories that don't rely on special effects heavy 300m budgets. Then there's studios trying to force political messages and forgetting to make their entertainment actually.. entertaining.
He makes a good point. I enjoy the the early 2000’s Spider-Man directed by Sam Raimi as a fan, but when the studio and he but heads on the next story and he left. Next thing you know 2012 the new Spider-Man comes out. I always called these The studio Spider-Man’s and these type of films never work out because studio executives can’t really tell a story.
That's not being fair, TASM is still clearly a Marc Webb film, even with certain scenes cut out. It's still a good story and the relationship between Peter and Gwen was so well done.
The mere fact that the word "franchise" is even used in connection with movies and television today tells you everything you need to know about modern Hollywood. In any business the franchise model is all about uniformity of product and broad appeal.
The eternal struggle of art and entertainment industry to not pay those that actually make it their fair share and instead constantly trying to figure out ways to get the antagonists of good art and entertainment to make most of the money.
They should have Peter Jackson take charge of a Resident Evil series adaptation and let him film it somewhere far away from Hollywood, and make it a requirement for him and everyone else involved to each play through the original and remakes of Parts 1 and 2, the original (and maybe remake) of Part 3, Code Veronica X, Part 0, Part 4, and Part 5, all to completion before doing anything else with the project. His combined overall directing skills, respect for source material, experience in the world of horror, and knack for acquiring creative control would all probably work wonders.
Couldn’t agree with this more. This is actually what set apple apart in the smartphone and computer markets. Steve Jobs said you need a keeper of the vision with any product and that is part of apples success. Everything is designed in house rather than making it piecemeal.
I literally and I mean literally spend more time searching for an interesting and original movie to watch than the runtime of most movies and then more than often watch something I’ve already seen
Those insights about Peter Jackson really do make a lot of sense, look at what happened when he was brought in to finish the hobbit, he wasn't able to successfully navigate the treacherous Waters of corporate influence and we all got a substandard movie (trilogy) as a result.
@@NomisArchives I remember seeing footage of him sitting dejected in the middle of The Hobbit set, I can almost hear him asking himself why he is here fixing someone else's movie.
Chris is spot on. I'd argue that this is true of most studio films, not just franchises, and has been since the late 80s. This is why I decided to become an independent instead of trying to go the studio route.
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A few things studios need to do:
1 - Stop trying to make a certain movie appeal to every demographic.
2 - Not every movie needs a sequel.
3 - Not every movie needs to be turned into a franchise.
4 - Source material matters. This is probably the most important thing given how many intellectual properties are adapted into movies and TV shows.
Kudos to synthesizing these relevant points in a pithy way.
Hollywood PAY ATTENTION!!!
5 - No politics
Source material matters even more than the core audience it is targeted at.
@@pieroog "5 - No politics" if it wasn't in the original.
6 - Don't add OR REMOVE religious content from the source.
@@no_activity I think both of those fall into the source material one. Aslan being a Jesus archetype in Narnia and Dune having Abrahamic religious coding are part of the source material. Star Trek's Vulcan is essentially a successful communist society, where everybody fulfills a role in the close-knit high trust ethno-state, supposedly "celebrating" IDIC but are actually very conservative, explicitly excluding foreigners and their sensibilities from their culture and traditions. That's why Sarek's line is so interesting, because Sarek married a human woman, had a full Vulcan kid that had forsaken their ways, and had a half breed son that ran away and joined the military. But now we have this black adopted human daughter Michael no one talks about who basically plays Spock and it's a slap in the face of TOS.
Right out of the gate, Chris nails one of the key factors why the Lord of the Rings trilogy was such an artistic success. When reflecting on the films, Sir Ian McKellen said that the experience was like working on a remote indie film rather than an eight or nine figure blockbuster, with all the creative freedom it allowed.
I think the main takeaway is that people who love movies need to be making movies. I’ve always wanted to ask a film executive these questions: Do you even like movies? Do you spend your free time watching movies? Would you personally watch the movies you produce? If I thought that 99 percent of the movies I produced were of low quality, I couldn’t live with myself.
I completely agree. When I heard JJ Abrams admit that he didn't have a thought out plan for the Star Wars sequels he worked on, I wanted to jump through the screen at him and even worse to me, he acted like it wasn't even a big deal... I found it insulting honestly and like you said I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing how little respect I gave to such a prolific franchise.
As some one who just started taking accounting. The answer is: that they are making the most sensible decisions from a making money business position. My favorite studio right now is A24, they have made some great stuff them and magnet/magnolia. Director wise I always try to go see Wes Anderson, when you just have a a clear vision that comes onto screen it's easy to be enjoyed. Tuesday I went and saw A24's E.E.A.A.O. and it was one of the best things I've seen all year.
@@LithmusEarth I realize that money is the primary motivation, but a true film fan would seek to create films that blend artistic merit and commercial viability. Film producers also need to reflect on what the purpose of making money is. Beyond basic survival, money allows people to pursue their goals and interests, but if your business practices are creating a culture that conflicts with your interests, is the pursuit of money truly worth it? What purpose does it serve other than to sustain your carnal impulses?
@@LithmusEarth but I can't understand how, if they're really making sensible business decisions, do they keep making bad movies no one wants to see? I'm not a film maker or a writer or anything, I just enjoy this channel. I'm glad the channel touched on this topic because this has been something that's bothered me for a long time.
For example, I worked in retail foodservice for a long time. If we consistently put out a product that didn't sell or meet our profit margins, we stopped selling that product and replaced it with something else. Why doesn't the film industry do the same? If they keep making these soulless, formulaic movies and those movies continue to be box office flops, why do they keep making them? It irks the hell out of me from a creative perspective, but just makes no sense to me from a financial perspective.
And that executive will just lie to you and also possibly themselves.
Chris is spot on. The Lord of the Rings films were a miracle. The hobbit films had too much studio intervention. Extending such a short book into three films was a bad idea. To be honest the making of the hobbit films was better than their own trilogy.
Yeah it’s ironic that the making of the hobbit is more interesting than the actual movies, they should’ve kept it to one solid movie and followed the story exactly, the movies were so bad and it was such a let down because I love lord of the rings movies so much
@@bruhdon4748 Same. So many unessary scenes in the DOS and the battle of five armies. Cgi looked bad on the orcs. The movies missed the point about Bilbo being the main focus. He was a side character in his own story. Don't get me started about the quote about the message of the book where thoren says if we valued home and cheer obove gold it would be a merrier world. The studios wanted to make money above all I'm looking at you WB and MGM.
And then there's The Rings of Power.
I feel the same way about phantom menace.
@@KCjones707 I feel about the rings of power like I feel about the Rise of Palpatine. I feel about the Hobbit films like I feel about The Last Jedi. I feel about the PJ LOTR films like I feel about the whole prequel trilogy.
Chris's comments are always informative and keenly interesting.
Yes, glad Film Courage are showcasing him
Much more than these damn Seat Geek Advertisements.
I thought he was a hack for a long time. When he was on G4.
But his vid series here has been quite impressive. In G4 days I dont recall him being critical or analysing anything. Just pushed films.
Now he's going into why films suck now.
And he provides good insight.
Very wise
@@DS94everXev strange though, cuz he wrote and produced a really shit flick. like really shit.
The film industry used to be populated with people who adore films, Spielberg, Lucas, Milius, Tarantino, Kubrick, Scorsese. Now the film industry is overflowing with people who view films as a means to get fame and money. It happened to music in the 1990s, it happened to comics in the 2000s, it happened to video games in the 2010s, and it happened to movies slowly over the course of the last 40 years.
Real artists have bean replaced by opportunistic weasels in every entertainment medium.
"It happened to music in the 1990's"
Limp Biscuit.
"It happened to comic's in the 2000's"
Captain Marvel
"It happened to videogames in the 2010's"
Call of Doodie???? Haha.
Just look at the writers nowadays? Bunch of checkbox inserts, with little to no life experience, or a modicum of understanding how interpersonal relationships or family dynamics work? Their ridiculous and nonsensical characters and storylines, certainly reflect it.
As the great Critical Drinker once mentioned, great men like J.R.R Tolkien wrote LOTR while in rat infested trenches during the Battle of Somme, while these token hires claim to fame is fighting the great Battle of Gamergate 😂
@@Markbell73 so many other things but they definitely made it so you can see the timeline of the trainwreck
And it has happened to video games.
Truth.
This man’s insight into the film industry is out of this world, and when someone who has this kind of insight says, “I don't think we will ever see like a George Lucas, or a Gene Roddenberry, or someone like that ever again,” it is truly saddening.
Hollywood would never allow it. They would never allow a man to have that much control over a franchise plus the studio would demand representation from every group over the story.
There's still directors doing their own thing. Only problem is they are unable to compete with established IPs.
Not every new movie has John Wick like success. 😻
Out of this world??
We don't need another Lucas or Roddenberry any more than we need another Shakespeare, because we will always have the works of the original ones.
I disagree that we will never see that again. With computers and software and AI getting better and better by the day it will only make it easier and easier for someone with a vision and a script to fully produce a franchise or movie by themselves in their free time in the future. It will get to the point where you just tell the AI what you want and it will make it for you with no effort on your part. We already have software like that now its just not commercially wide spread yet.
One of the biggest issues with the "Franchise" approach to older works, such as Star Wars, is that they try to cash in on the wrong things.
I think Book of Boba Fett is a great example. No one really wanted to see chubby Boba walk around being all "peace and love." Because Boba was always the mysterious bounty hunter, even when George Lucas expanded on him in the prequels they left a lot in the mystery.
The Mandalorian is a much better delivery on the same fantasy. You make a new character and a new story, that's "the same, but different." That way you don't run the risk of ruining the illusion of previous characeters.
Ironically, from what I know, Lucas was never fond of the Mandalorian mythos, as he never created it. And yet it's become a popular mythos because those who created it understood Star Wars.
The money grabbers don't, and so they ruin their own money bags with greed and "design by Committee" trying to make something that "everyone" will like, and failing to please anyone.
I'm surprised Chris didn't mention the Hobbit movies when making his Lord of the Rings comparisons, those two trilogies are a great case study in what studio meddling can do to a franchise.
Peter Jackson has actually said in one of those interviews that his original Lord of the Rings trilogy just felt like doing a "really big kiwi film."
He basically admits that trilogy was just a really big independent project with nearly unlimited resources, and it shows.
The Hobbit movies were famously co-produced by TWO studios. They did not allow deadline changes after Del Toro left giving Jackson mere months to prepare production versus the literal years he had for Lord of the Rings. The studios also opted to add in the infamous love triangles, something that even the actress Evangeline Lily wanted to avoid. But sure enough the two studios needed their boxes checked.
Those Lord of the Rings movies are cinematic treasures and the Hobbit movies are... well... not.
Chris “Speaks The Truth” Gore! Always a joy to listen to!
Yes, when you look at THE most successful franchises out there, they're often pet projects that were developed in some form for ten years or so by a singular auteur, who took their time collecting notes and ideas free of pressure, before they even worked in Hollywood. It's far different than the result you get from a corporate movie farm.
name me some.
Well of course. Good art takes time and dedication
@@FredMaverik Star Wars. Alien. Terminator. Indiana Jones. Avatar. And successful books that became huge films: Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and more... Just off the top of my head.
@@RM_VFX The Sandlerverse, John Neptune, Space Jam, Doctor Who, The Viewaskewniverse, Toy Story, The Three Stooges, James Bond oddly enough as well
@@RM_VFX None of the first four began as franchises. They came in an era before that word had been attached to anything more than McDonalds or NFL teams. Avatar is from a totally different era and for me is the epitome of awful corporate movie-making: all money, eye-candy, piss and wind. 'Franchise' is just a consequence of licensing and selling a brand.
As always, thanks for having Mr Gore on. He's a breath of fresh air. I think that how the studios have acted, has ruined the average fan as well.
Personal example:
I have a script that encapsulates a fifteen year relationship into four days.
It's highly personal, about me and my best friend through my twenties: a 6'6'' 375 pound Mexican dude. It's just us and a bunch of insane obstacles on the road trip. No one else is on for more that seven minutes.
In real life, He was diagnosed with lukemia and was dead two days later. It was devistating. So I got our 15 year relationship into 4 days, 105 minutes.
I brought the script to my buddies at the comedy club I frequent, and they were wanting to change the ages and races, and adding a third wheel lady character so they can add a friend in.
They were talking merch, sequels, comic books.
I have never shown them anything again. Hollywood has poisoned expectations.
I was writing a love letter to the guy 10 years older than me that taught me how to be an adult. Everyone else wanted a Cinematics Universe.
Ridiculous.
I love Mr. Gore. I've been writing 2000 words a day, every day since he was on Attack of the Show.
Funny thing is that people want authentic.
Chris Gore is one of the best people With Knowledge of the film industry Today. May the 4th Be with everyone today.
Our May the 4th surprise! Cheers to you
I haven't celebrated May the 4th since Disney bought the franchise.
#starvethemouse
I agree. It WOULD be a miracle IF anything worth watching came out of a studio these days.
The recent reboot of planet of the apes
@@Valmin98 it was so so.. not the best not the worst
It's a matter of time, because Hollywood now does the *exact same thing* that they did in the 1950's...which ended with a small Steven Spielberg movie (about 3 men vs a shark) , followed by a small George Lucas movie (about a space farmboy and a dashing scoundrel, rescuing a kidnapped space princess).
@@bballjj18 it was amazing
@@Valmin98 meh was okay, the original movie will always be the best one, should’ve just been one movie anyway, anything since just doesn’t come close.
They will never ever get this through their own heads in a million years.
Agree. I've given up on the studio system. I'll maybe see a new movie a year and only after watching several reviews.
This explains all the articles I've seen where corporations look at popular novels and dont understand how a franchise about a painter or traveler can have huge fanbases when nothing cool is happening. So obsessed with making merch they forget its just a bonus and not the primary goal
A classic example of pure, creative visionary film making spawned from a fever dream that Jim Cameron had for the Terminator. Look how that turned into a franchise.
I liked Batman Returns. It still has very important things to say via the traumatic characters of both the Penguin and Catwoman.
I guess you're not trying to sell Happy Meals, huh? 😇
That’s my fave Batman movie!!!!🤗🤗🤗
@@sgt_slobber.7628 It's certainly the best out of all my movie memories of Catwoman thanks to Michelle's brilliant and beautiful performance.
@ and don’t forget Danny Divitos’s as well!!!! He NAILED The Penguin!!!!!;);)
@ He certainly did.
"Dollar store Game of Thrones" Wow-WEE, I agree whole-heartedly with that Rings of Power assessment. It also really resonated with me when you brought up how Peter Jackson *_respected_* Tolkien's work when making the Lord of The Rings Trilogy---and being far away from Hollywood or any other distracting influences that might have interfered with the creative vision.
House of the Dragon is the real budget-brand GoT; desperately aping the imagery and iconography of the earlier show, even down to physical casting choices, but done with about half the skill and a tenth of the actual purpose. It's a desperate, artistically bankrupt, sloppily put together and lazily scripted knock-off masquerading as a lore-expanding prequel; as cynical, pointless and crass an example of the pure merchandising of a television IP that I think I can remember, certainly since "Caprica".
Especially true with Star Wars, where the toys made more money than the movies.
The toys actually FINANCED the original trilogy and kept Lucasfilm profitable enough to stay alive in the early days.
The sequel trilogy fixed that problem.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp HAHAHAHA definitely did, with the stupid toys they made.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp , true fans hated the Disney movies and no toys were sold. Nobody asking for Rey Skywalker sequels. Like when kids were buying the toys and demanding Lucas made sequels in the 80s. A decade goes by and he made the prequel instead the toys sold well except for Jar Jar.
The thing there, of course, is that the toys sold because they told a compelling story in a gigantic universe where there was infinite room for imagination to make more.
That's why there are so many fan projects, writings, etc for these worlds. The Star Wars or Star Trek universes are so large, you get yourself a toy Mon Cal cruiser, make up a name, and you're off to attack the Empire shipyards on Balkin or some other place you made up.
They leave lots of room for you to write your own stories, and even self insert.
More Chris. Always Chris.
This video just made me sad. Glad to have been born during the years of good movies. That era will be missed
Remember when franchises naturally ended, and people accepted it, and they weren’t revived years later like Frankenstein’s Monster? That was fun.
Or when it was OK to have a single film that told a coherent narrative with a clear beginning, middle, and end without sequel-baiting?
@@castortroy1853 Some studios haven’t heard the phrase of leaving well enough alone.
@@castortroy1853I instantly thought of the last Tom Cruise Mission Impossible film. A series that has passed its expiration date. The film was not interesting enough to make me care about seeing the next two and a half hour ending.
Awesome analysis! Thank you Chris Gore.
The compromises that have hurt films have always been made out of fear, not to make it better. Execs have no artistic taste, just a vague sense of what audiences want and anything that conflicts with that terrifies them. That terror infects the rest of production so that the innovation and creativity is synonymous with risk.
Gore knows the score. He should be a Hollywood Shepard, getting it back on the right path.
Even South Park had an episode called Banned in China that talked about this very issue, where China tells the directors (of mostly superhero movies) what they can or cannot have in the movie. Just recently China said for the new Spiderman, you can’t have the Statue of Liberty in the film. 🙄
"Control Spider-Man's souls desire for the Statue of Liberty..."
Film franchises, imo, fail today because companies don't know when to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Not just in terms of making money, but when a story has reached its end. Everything continues to be resurrected and details beaten to death in the dirt and then brushed off and then reused with nothing new to the original idea. SW is the perfect example of this and the MCU. And the audiences who continue to see these movies, and then complain about them, are the ones who should MOSTLY take blame. The companies are only catering to what they devour.
Agreed. A story must have an end. If you must continue with new stories set in the same universe, at least make it clear they are separate from each other (not sequels). To continue the same narrative endlessly makes the contextualization of all the events impossible.
@@bmcfonzie Yes, this is how I definitely feel about prequels. Most pointless part of the story ever. Just start at the beginning, wherever that is, and don't go back unless it's a flashback in a story.
I love listening to Chris Gore break this stuff down. His perspective is so refreshing and he’s surgical with his breakdown of the functional and non-functional aspects of the movie industry
This is why I will always defend both Stallone and the Rocky franchise. Even before Rocky 5 sullied the name of the IP for over a decade, people even in the 80s were joking that Stallone was getting too old and was a one trick pony. Not only did Rocky 6 breathe new life into both the franchise and his career, but then we got 2 more worthy sequels with him in the mentor role. Sure Stallone didn't direct all of them but they still got what Sly wanted from the story and we the fans got to be entertained.
We even got a decent recut from Rocky IV during the pandemic shutdown of Hollywood
The Rocky & Rambo franchises and similar arcs. They started off great, went steadily downhill in the 80s (Rambo III aged particularly badly 😉) & found new life in the 21st century. I didn’t really like the last Rambo film, but The 2008 Rocky was really good & Rocky Balboa & both Creed movies were terrific.
Chris Gore's wisdom also applies to TV series franchises. AMC, pay attention. Your company screwed up by removing Frank Darabont from TWD & Dave Erickson from Fear TWD & handing them over to inexperienced rookies like Scott Gimple, Angela Kang, Ian Goldberg & Andrew Chambliss.
I was a massive fear the walking dead fan and watched it religiously but when Erickson left and Morgan came in I stopped watching it entirely. It went from being a show about how a family were forced by the apocalypse to somewhat become villains to TWD b-series.
Indeed! What AMC did to Frank Darabont was nothing short of a travesty.
Uh, TWD spinoffs are successful regardless and they have Vince Gilligan at AMC.
Scott Gimple is the dumbest guy I have ever seen. He has some weird preference to Morgan. That he was mysterious on how he would turn out. Only for him to be some hysterical peace guru that goes bad - good - very bad - whiny - then semi good again - nope now he’s a killer again.
The writing got worse on both shows because it became too soap operay. The characters only spend time walking in the forest talking about their feelings without really going anywhere or stumbling across some location where they scavenge. It just became dull and predictable.
In a way they did them a favour; TWD was spent after season 4, but they kept stringing it out and recycling it until it became self-parody. Darabont was ousted early enough that he needn't take any blame for the tired, sadistic mess the show morphed into.
Totally agree. Too many cooks, too much politics, too much modern day sensibilities/wokeness (from a tiny very vocal group which is sadly dominant in Hollywood) and not enough quality writing, heart, character development, story telling and escapism.
It's not that tiny. People need to stop pretending that it's "tiny". These people are being pumped out of American universities.
I imagine when HBO set up to make seasons 8 and 9 of Game of Thrones they asked George R.R. Martin how it would end and all he responded with was a selfie of him smoking a cigar on top of a pile of money flipping them the bird.
*Thanks, Chris.* I'll keep pushing.
I always look forward to Chris.
Once again Chris Gore nails it.
I like this channel. I like Chris Gore. Always a nice time hearing your questions and how he answers them.
Gone are the days when studios trusted their directors.
I think directors used to have more name recognition with the public and therefore had leverage. Nowadays only us nerds know who directors are and people are more likely to know the names of youtubers.
I love this channel and I’m always glad to see a video with Chris Gore on.
I now understand why we got "Batman and Robin", must have sold a lot of happy meals.
Batman Returns Catwoman has a strong and distinct persona, all the later films made her so vanilla and meaningless.
That's why I've started my own things. Working on a graphic novel that currently has volume 2 in the making. Merchandise will be done by myself and my artist, so basically, everything creative will stay right here. No big corpo will be behind the process.
GH-057 STORY isn't famous, and I'm too bad at marketing to make it so.
But it's something I can be passionate about and have my artist have a job for a few years. If we get fans excited along the journey, it's even better.
I remember as a kid that Toys R' Us had toys for 'Alien' and 'Dune' sitting on the shelf. That Xenomorph toy sitting on the shelf freaked me out, Man.
I believe one of the main reasons is simple.
Many of these franchises shouldn't exist, they should be simple stories with a beginning, middle and end.
James Cameron deserves a mention here too. Alita was his vision made by his friend Robert Rodriguez and the passion for Yukito Kishiro's story really showed.
Very good Thoughts!
Though,, there is an interesting counter to the "single creative mind" idea when you look into the original Star Wars IV, A New Hope. Geroge Lucas had a lot of strange ideas and bulkiness to the story. Other creators and editors helped him craft what it became. Sometimes a team helps. But, it wasn't a corporate team, but an artistic team. Big difference.
He also had to revise it and kind of dumb it down and focus on the action. Dropping most of the politics. Stuff like Richard Nixon's Emperor/Wizard of OZ character and the grand over the top effects scenes, and big sets. The prequel was a lot more like what his 1974 script was. The 77 film was amazing to fans but it always bugged George because all he could see was where he compromised his vision.
Thank you to Film Courage for always uploading such great content - keep up the good work guys.
Please keep having Chris. I am writing my own stuff right now and just hearing his and just a list of other's take on writing and entertainment are just the best advice I could ask for. You guys have made my life so much easier with the amazing people you interview.
Quentin Tarantino famously said that if you truly do love movies, you can't help but make a good movie. Just make what you already love and you will care too much to fail.
I love this man! His breakdowns are spot on.
His take on the Rings of Power trailer ("Power Point presentation...") was brilliant.
Which movie franchise are you most disappointed with now?
World War Z & Zombieland. Both had the potential to become adapted as successful ongoing TV series outside of future film sequels. The Walking Dead franchise is a huge disappointment too.
Star Wars is utterly dead to me. Jurassic Park is pure by-the-numbers garbage now. The Bond films have been way too self-important and dour for years now, and got completely eclipsed by the much better Mission Impossible franchise imho. Terminator has never progressed since T2, and similarly the Predator and Alien franchises have limped along sadly since their second movies (thank Christ we at least had Fassbender doing some heavy lifting in the last xenomorph outings, at least). I've always hated the Fast & Furious franchise, for the sheer idiocy of it all, terrible scripts and mind-numbing dialogue, and the fact that they're now into their 10th outing is pretty emblematic of what passes for acceptable in Hollywood nowadays.
James Bond. Casino Royale was great. Daniel Craig was great. But the sequels went rapidly downhill and in the wrong direction. So much potential wasted.
predator and alien
Star Wars has really disappointed me and I can see Disney milking it to death.
In hindsight it is actually astonishing how incredibly good The Lord of the Rings movies turned out to be. There is no way in hell they could be made to that level of quality today.
Black Gandalf, Female Frodo. Yeah I can picture it now hahaha
The argument that such powerhouse and original franchises as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Mobile Suit Gundam that exploded out of the seventies were the last of their kind is I think only acknowledging what they did and not what people did with them in turn. We aren't getting the creative visions of the modern-day Lucas', Rodenberrys, or Tominos because those very same people proved that there are literal truckloads of money to be made with these properties and the companies want to get in on that by making their own (i.e. with their creative bankruptcy they call "input") or at least milk the franchises they do have for all they're worth. If we want another franchise that's both original and of good quality, two things need to happen: 1) find the right creator who would be willing to even make such a behemoth for such a long time, and 2) get someone who would be willing to pay for it.
The alternative is to be insanely rich and make the movie out of your own pocket with your own skills and telling anyone who wants a piece of it to screw off. That worked for Howard Hughes.
As usual it is money and greed that causes the downfall of something. True art should transcend that.
Ironically from those three franchise. Gundam was the first one who got screwed up by studio intervention .
For example, Char's counter attack and the original planned version CCA Beltorchika's Childern. If you ask Gundam hardcore fans, which version are their favorite. They will say Beltorchika version. The version Tomino write before Sunrise intervention.
The comment at the start about Peter Jackson getting away with things because he was in New Zealand reminds me of Alton Brown. He started his show (Good Eats) for the Food Network in Georgia partly to get away from meddling studio execs. If he was in the same building (or city) people would have come over all the time telling him what to do. By filming in Georgia, he made sure people only came to set if they had something really important to say, and he got a lot more creative control by keeping physical distance.
Because a story needs an ending. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. Except from a business viewpoint you have a beginning , a middle, another middle, more middle, and on and on and on.
Chris is always spot-on.
Objective and succinct
Hollywood. The Starbucks of movie making
Can't get enough of Chris Gore!
Which movie franchise are you the most satisfied with now?
Batman. Second question is a tough one, there are so many bad ones
I'm most disappointed with Star Wars, because it's such an easy franchise to understand, but maybe that's why it's done so badly these days; people tend to overthink it. I'm really not satisfied with any movie franchise right now. Everything seems to disappoint me now. I think the last movie I really liked, that was part of a franchise, was Logan (from the X-Men franchise). I loved Joker, but the DC franchise as a whole is a terrible mess. And don't get me started on the MCU. Ugh.
I’m both excited and concerned for Jurassic World Dominion and Halloween Ends. I feel like they’re trying to do something new and different, and hopefully it ends these two franchises on a good note.
I think it's time for Hollywood to die. Just wither away, and be forgotten.
Dune. I had my criticisms, but it was more than acceptable in my book---at the very least it was a clear effort at doing justice to a science fiction classic.
Chris is so knowledgeable on these subjects. Love listening to his takes!
James Cameron has the starpower to protect the avatar franchise. Luckily we still have that.
Not gonna lie chris gore is a must click.
Peter Jackson spoke about exactly that in the behind-the-scenes material for his earlier film, "The Frighteners" - the freedom of shooting the film in New Zealand, with the studio execs half a world away. Say what you like about that film (personally I love it) but it's clearly not a "normal" Hollywood product; it's very much a Peter Jackson film but made with huge wads of Hollywood money.
I love The Frighteners.
Absolutely love these videos with Chris !
Amazons new LOTR is going to be an absolute miserable failure and I’m going to love watching that.
Wow this was incredibly refreshing to hear, everywhere you look people argue about what's ruining films and entertainment, but in this video Chris Gore sees through that and knows where the real problem lies, and that's with large studios/production companies limiting creators from telling their story, the would be George Lucas's of the world just don't have the same freedom he did with filmmaking and it's really sad that those times have ended and we'll never be seeing true creative works ever again from Hollywood.
Good points.
So good. Also true for startups (founders)
I could listen to Chris Gore all day :)
I agree: The "making of" and "behind the scenes" features tend to be more interesting.
Studio intervention has been on the rise ever since the golden age’s philosophy of “make a lot and maybe some will be good” ended. But the power of the people against cooperate interests is stronger than it ever has been. Cameras, computers, and distribution are cheaper than ever; Studios will adapt or become irrelevant. Only thing keeping them alive now are IPs. It’ll be interesting to see what studios do when all their copyrights void 900,000 years from now.
Jackson filmed all three films in the trilogy at once, so he controlled the creative process from first to last.
If show business types were actually smart they would hire him
He makes good points but they would never hire him because he would cost people money. Executives aren’t interested in good content just money.
Independant Films are gonna be the future of true creativity!
Thank u Mr. Gore. I said the same thing when I saw the trailer to that lord of the rings series on prime
I could watch or listen to this guy all day. I l love how intuitive he is.
Peter Jackson had passion. And he loved the source material. He loves making movies.
That passion is what I hope to see in Avitar movies (I can hope right???).
Great points by Chris Gore on film franchises,since the poor quality sequels of NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET,FRIDAY THE 13TH.(outside of Victor Miller's lengthy lawsuit),and STAR WARS have really hurt those franchises and the TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and HELLRAISER film franchises might be soon joining that very lot.
hellraiser was in that lot before even the reboot attempts for nightmare, chainsaw, and friday. say what you want about those other three franchises, but at least their sequels were theatrical releases, and not direct to video or even worse, a scifi channel original.
also, the best friday and nightmare movies were sequels. well, at least to me. friday 7 and dream warriors, respectively. i know im in something of a minority for friday 7, a lot of people hate the psychic girl plot.
As the tech gets better and the crews get smaller, and price of production drops
, we'll see a new Era of franchises. It has already started on various RUclips channels.
I thought Villenueve did a great job with Dune. Hopefully he lands the second part
We need to cherish Chris, his insight works with all media. I see this quite a lot in video games.
Let's go!!!!, love hearing movies from Chris Gore
The only thing I disagree with him on is whether we'll see that stuff again.
James Gunn, Edgar Wright, so forth.
It still happens.
Just remember how tiny Roddenberry and Lucas were when they broke through.
Movies are cyclical. As is moviemaking.
If the post-Hays creative greatness of the 70's can follow the Studio System of the previous generations then trust me, it can happen again.
The question is, will they shape up before theaters start closing for good??
I'm no fan of Gunn,Wright,Tarantino,J.J. Abrams,Mike Flanagan,Ari Aster,Rob Zombie,or any of the other modern filmmakers,but I do get your point. And no,I don't follow nor listen to any of the Harry Knowles inspired corporate genre magazines,corporate major studios,corporate mini-major studios(such as Lionsgate and A24), and corporate genre new sites and the Knowles inspired fans as I wisely follow my own path(and not Knowles and his minions.
@@stevenmillan9220 That's some quality pre-strawman defense.
But yes, even with that, you get my point that year filmmakers are still out there just as much as they ever were. Whether you like their creations or not is irrelevant to whether they're able to make the movies they want.
The merits of their work is a valid discussion, just not relevant to this discussion.
I highly doubt the big studios will wake up from their love of focus groups, virtue checkboxing, and algorithms any time soon. The numbers tell them it works. Change will have to come from smaller studios recognizing good ideas.
@@RM_VFX it's happened before, numerous times. The above-stated 70's are a great example. The pendulum inevitably swings back the other way.
The word "Franchise" is a evil word. Star Wars, Terminator, Aliens etc is 3 movies (despite the third's not being the greatest). Jaws, Halloween, Friday The 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street etc is 1 movie. Going a 5th, 7th, 9th or 22nd movie is a bad idea and things get diluted and messed up.
Back to the Future is a Trilogy not a Franchise
Respect for the source material: 100% agree. Amazon ruined the Wheel of Time. Such a shame.
This guy is always so insightful.
General audiences just aren't interested in well written stories that don't rely on special effects heavy 300m budgets. Then there's studios trying to force political messages and forgetting to make their entertainment actually.. entertaining.
He makes a good point. I enjoy the the early 2000’s Spider-Man directed by Sam Raimi as a fan, but when the studio and he but heads on the next story and he left. Next thing you know 2012 the new Spider-Man comes out. I always called these The studio Spider-Man’s and these type of films never work out because studio executives can’t really tell a story.
That's not being fair, TASM is still clearly a Marc Webb film, even with certain scenes cut out.
It's still a good story and the relationship between Peter and Gwen was so well done.
@@prufan WRONG! There hasn't been a great Spider-Man film since 2004.
Can we please just make Chris Gore the head of every major studio and call it a day?
True facts. This is exactly how franchises get butchered and it's maddening to watch. :(
Did Not expect this (was expecting that twisted comedy bit)
Stayed anyway
The mere fact that the word "franchise" is even used in connection with movies and television today tells you everything you need to know about modern Hollywood. In any business the franchise model is all about uniformity of product and broad appeal.
I'm a simple guy. I see Chris Gore. I click. Then I hit like while the ad plays. Then I watch.
The eternal struggle of art and entertainment industry to not pay those that actually make it their fair share and instead constantly trying to figure out ways to get the antagonists of good art and entertainment to make most of the money.
They should have Peter Jackson take charge of a Resident Evil series adaptation and let him film it somewhere far away from Hollywood, and make it a requirement for him and everyone else involved to each play through the original and remakes of Parts 1 and 2, the original (and maybe remake) of Part 3, Code Veronica X, Part 0, Part 4, and Part 5, all to completion before doing anything else with the project. His combined overall directing skills, respect for source material, experience in the world of horror, and knack for acquiring creative control would all probably work wonders.
Couldn’t agree with this more. This is actually what set apple apart in the smartphone and computer markets. Steve Jobs said you need a keeper of the vision with any product and that is part of apples success. Everything is designed in house rather than making it piecemeal.
I love movies. Everything about movies. But not for a few years now. Chris puts words to why.
It's amazing to me that McDonalds was so angry when there were Robocop and Aliens toys even before this. Rambo too!
I literally and I mean literally spend more time searching for an interesting and original movie to watch than the runtime of most movies and then more than often watch something I’ve already seen
Those insights about Peter Jackson really do make a lot of sense, look at what happened when he was brought in to finish the hobbit, he wasn't able to successfully navigate the treacherous Waters of corporate influence and we all got a substandard movie (trilogy) as a result.
Also he got in there like last last minute. It's a miracle they are any good. He wasn't even supposed to make them.
@@NomisArchives I remember seeing footage of him sitting dejected in the middle of The Hobbit set, I can almost hear him asking himself why he is here fixing someone else's movie.
Chris is spot on. I'd argue that this is true of most studio films, not just franchises, and has been since the late 80s. This is why I decided to become an independent instead of trying to go the studio route.