Very good initiative!! In my humble opinion the next Islamic revivalism lies in the reconciliation of Tasawwuf and Orthodoxy/ literalism of Ibn Taymiyaah. Such discourse will create a more inclusive ummah where such highly diverse opinion are not just tolerated but rather respected. Shah Waliullah Dehelvi did try to reconcile these two aspects of Islam (Orthodoxy and Tsawwuf) but the on-ground large scale impact of his attempt is still awaited. I hope your channel will help to achieve this aim.
SIMPLY SPEAKING: Hazrat Ibn e Taymiyyah wishes to ensure that his entire class passes the course (i.e., enter paradise) Hazrat Ibn e Arabi teaches to maximize the number of students who receive an A (enjoy Divine's nearness) In other words, both mean well. Now, it is up to each student to choose the scholar whose class they wish to enroll in.
٣١. Ali Imran verse 31 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If you ˹sincerely˺ love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
Allaah's beauty is not something to be imagined nor any of His attributes. Qur'an clearly states that "There is nothing like unto Him" (42:11) no matter how beautiful the universe is we shouldn't make analogy with Allaah! For He the Exalted is not put to analogy with His creation. This is our Creed and indeed the Creed of the Salaf (the predecessors). Next time dear brother you should rather speak with knowledge or just remain silence for indeed the Qur'an and Sunnah warns speaking about Allaah and religious matters without knowledge. Hope am right, correct me if am wrong.
Allah bless ibn arabi rehamtulla both people are right one is looking at the water while the other looks at the jug that is holding that water both are needed and both have purpose.
Such an excellent and novel concept for a video format! I can't wait for more! I would love to see a debate including Suhrawardi and his ḥikmat al-ishrāq, or illuminationist ideas!
I like them too but @BobbysPerspective please actually read many of their works -- notably that of Ghazali, Rushd, Arabi, Sina, etc… and then read taymiyyahs works (who I ALSO respect) but you quickly see the FAR difference in their brilliancies - and rushd didn’t always agree with Ghazali, as Ghazali did not with Sina (though they were all influenced by each other, Ghazali of Sina, and Rushd of Ghazali and Sina) May Allah reward Ibn Taymiyyah - he was a good scholar with strong iman….. so may he have his place in Jannah - but if you actually read all their works …. you will see how these awesome little debate videos do not do justice for the sheer difference within their intelligence (and that is NOT to say the great ibn Taymiyyah was not intelligent! but in comparison? its like night and day) But those who all do taqlid of Taymiyyah and almost worship him (aaoouth billah), I would say 75%of them have never even took the time to read JUST AT LEAST two works of ibn taymiyyah from front to back (as one of his main works is very small…hence at least two lol) and of the 25% that have done so (obviously this all being arbitrary) I would say 10% read the works of the other scholars ….. hence there is a reason that St. Thomas Aquinas - Rene Descartes and more were soooo influenced by the former scholars …. especially Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali who not only mastered Fiqh (for example in Saudi, and two other gulf states, where hanbali fiqh is the most prevalent, the main fiqh book they use IS based off the Mustasfa of Imam Ghazali) - that is an objective fact - he mastered Philosophy , logic , and reasoning within the framework of Islam, he mastered Quranic studies, and even very intricate mysticism studies of tasawwuf (aka sufism) that never strays from Islam …. as Arabi did at times, though much of it is a misunderstanding of Arabi’s actual “meaning” to be fair to him (but either way, he was another genius) -- the only thing that Ghazali did not master… only because he never went on to do so was ahadith literature …. and I wish he did, because he would have been a ahadith relativist than that of an absolutist and most likely would have been under that of the Maliki or Hanafi madhhab instead 😅 But May Allah reward the great Imam Shafi’i!!!! If it was not for the al-Risala - there never would have been a Mustasfa to begin with they all played their part - May Allah reward them all
I really loved them both. I felt like they both created some kind of balance in my understanding and reflection of Allah swt and Islam. Both seemed right in their own way.
If only they have twitter.. the battle would be legendary.🎉 .. Alhamdulillah we had so much knowledgeable people in our faith .. humanity forever in depth on them
It is a good dialogue may be imaginary but gives the essence of Islam. It is the essence of Islam that draws the human to understand and seek the divines blessings of Allah.
Great format, personally I agree with the differing opinions existing and mutual respect. The one element which remains undiscussed and in my view an important one is the fact that the Ummah is vast with people of many differing levels of education, wisdom, insight and understanding. To me there is no issue with different perspectives as the more ‘simplistic’ and rules based views would perfectly suit those who require a level of certainty as the levels of understanding are not as developed. The key is for those that have developed the understanding and insight to share that there can exist levels of understanding depending of spiritual wisdom and insight so that there is a level of tolerance, awareness and understanding even amongst the masses who must not be misled into thinking it is forbidden (haraam) to question or to explore or hold a different perspective. If the ummah can achieve a common understanding of the importance of questioning and being able to understand that if one cannot respond then it is possible that one doesn’t have the complete understanding and therefore rather than labelling it as haraam to consider perhaps a perspective remains unexplored and to seek perspectives from those with greater insight and wisdom.
This atheist insulted the divine self by saying that God incarnates even in a dog. He denied the Islamic religion by saying that idol worshippers believe that idols are God. This criminal also equated Islam with other pagan religions.
@@ebrahimparpia169 lol ? it was about the Qiblah. when Rassul Allah changed the Qiblah fromJerusalem to Mecca. The Jews and some hypocrits argued about it. Then Allah swt responded by "The verse" you quoted. U believe in wihdatu al wujud. أعوذ بالله من هذا الكفر This is the hindu creed
@@TheMercifulAndJust The understanding of Ibn Taymiyya, in my opinion, is very straightforward and strict. He allows no room for any kind of innovation or change that could occur with the ideas presented by Ibn Arabi. The philosophy presented by Ibn Arabi is merely experiences that he had when practicing a new type of zikr in multiple ways. Perhaps he got closer to Allah, but this is not guaranteed for any common Muslim. Following a straightforward approach towards Islam is more sensible and approachable for new and common Muslims who do not have a clear understanding of tawheed.
My perspective does not fully align with Ibn Taymiyya. I believe we should have a clear understanding of the core principles of Islam, and then focus on what Prophet Muhammad SAW taught us. We should identify things in our lives and in the world that go against the teachings of our beloved Prophet (SAW) and have debates on them, rather than writing book after book on the philosophy of Islam in our own ways. This is also dangerous, as you might unknowingly cross the line.
It is perilous because the average muslim will not understand Ibn Arabi's view, not because it has elements of falsehood per se. This is a discussion that should remain among people of knowledge. If you don't have the capacity to understand without oversimplifying, then you should stay away from the discussion.
@@G_Singh222, i was just joking on the concept of "ocean of knowledge" pointing out that those who embrace such knowledge withouth filtering it through critical thinking, will end up drowning in it, figuratively speaking.
Ibn Arabi survived and radiated. Ibn Tamiya was forgotten and raised again in the 20th century by the Wahhabis and salafis because they needed a mechanical, materialistic islam, which ibn tamiya is. Also ibn arabi never once used the term wahdatul wajood
It baffles me why ignorant individuals speak about topics as though they know it! Ibn Taymiyyah is a figure who has been quoted and referenced ever since his scholarship - from Fiqh to Aqeedah. I don’t understand how it is possible that you make a huge lie like this knowing you will stand before Allah.
What an awful and stupid statements from you, do you even know what you are talking? 😅 😅 Ibn Tymiyyah has been quoted since his days up till now, do you even know anything about Ibn Tymiyyah at all?
@@iymuslim lol! The Wahabis-Salafi types who idolize Taymiyyah like to pretend there is no such thing as the Wahabi-Salafi types. Talk about gaslighting!
Ibn Taymiyyah's influence was extremely important in Islamic history, and he wrote many profound works that are still considered references by Muslim scholars, and some of his students are among the most famous scholars of the Islamic nation. 1. Some Arab philosophers say that Ibn Taymiyyah is the greatest philosopher in Islamic civilization, and some say that he is the best of the scholars who criticized Aristotle’s logic. He has a book criticizing logic, opinions in philosophy, and criticism of major Greek scholars. It is said that the Ash'aris were influenced by philosophy and began to use philosophy in interpreting the attributes of the Creator, and their greatest critic was Ibn Taymiyyah. Therefore, the book Aleaqidah al-Wasitiyyah is one of the most important books of the faith that brings Muslims back to the first generations' understanding of the attributes of the Creator. 2. Ibn Taymiyyah is one of the most famous people who criticized religions and sects that he believes are deviant. Therefore, he has a book criticizing Christianity, criticizing the Shiites, criticizing the Ash’aris, etc. His books are considered references in Islamic aleaqidah books. Such as he wrote: 1. Minhaj al-Sunnah : This is in criticism of Shiite thought that came out of the circle of Islam 2. Answering those who altered the religion of Jesus Christ, In criticism of Christianity Among his important books on Islamic aleaqidah: A.The Creed of Al-wasitiyyah by Ibn Taymiyyah ( To know the attributes of the Creator in Islam) >>> Sharah al Aqeda al Wasitiyah 2 Volume Set by Shykh Muhammad bin Salih Al Uthaimin B. Explanation of a Summary of Al Aqeedatul Hamawiyyah: Authored by Ibn Taymiyyah C. Towards Understanding of Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh-Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah The Book of Tawhid: It is by Sheikh Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab and explains the teachings of Islam in Islamic monotheism. Therefore, Shiites and Sufis hate this book because it exposes their worship that conflicts with Islamic aleaqidah. I advise you to read this book, explained by Ibn Uthaymeen or Sheikh Al-Fawzan, which is very distinctive. Majmue Fatwas: A very huge book containing teachings on aleaqidat, his stories, his fatwas, his criticism of deviant doctrines, etc.
Indeed Shaykh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimullah is one of the greatest scholars, he is mujjaddid who gave everything to save our deen from deviants. Over the year Muslims of Turkey, Iran, Indian subcontinent etc were influenced by Sufis and they slowly started deviating from the right path. Now this muslims says Shaykh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah is not revered by every muslim. Because we dont consider him anything. That is so navie of this sufis that there blind following there deviant forefathers takes them away from the right path.
😂 dear wahabbi jealous akhi ...ibn taymiyah was a sufi himself but didn't agree with all teachings of ibn arabi . Btw ibn arbi is in different league , difficult for people like u 😊
you are right 100% Ibni Arabi has No right to explain Islam and its spirituality different and opposite from What Prophet Muhammad SAW himself explained and practiced in his whole life and all his Sahaba have followed and preached the same way. Ibni Arabi is Mushrik, worshiping Satan.
I can't be the only one who has deep respect for both Ibn Arabi and Ibn Taymiyyah. Frankly, I believe a difference in views on faith is what compels us to understand it further
It seems that ibn arabi just pulls whatever he feels like out to prove his point. While ibn taymiyah uses evidence from the Quran and sunnah. Ive read ibn taymiyah and this seems to be accurate to his perspective. Sufism has a lot of innovation that teaches esotericism which can lead to more innovation. If one person's experience allows him to change the religion a little bit for himself and then he teaches others and then they have their own experiences and they teach others within a few generations you won't have the religion no more
Not really. Ibn arabi and his explanation are well thought but you seem to be focusing on the fact he was a sufi rather than his actual teachings. Leave this to the scholar but ibn arabi was a legend
@@sulisueeeeee0553 if you guys like someone who just says whatever he wants without a source to back it up, sure. If you prefer evidence from Allah and his messenger then, no.
Dont speak with ignorance. Ibn Taymiyyah has reached the highest level of every science of Islam and memorized every single ahadith, tafsirs and aqeedah books. No one denies this and every scholar affirms that there is no scholar more knowledgeable then Ibn Taymiyyah. As Ibn Arabi, he was an apostate Sufi and not even a muslim. The major scholars of Islam unanemously declared him as an apostate. He was an ingorant when it comes to to the Quran and Sunnah. Imagine daring to compare this apostate who said "worshipping a dog is like worshipping God" and has many other disbelief statements. All of his followers today are misguided Sufi graveworshippers who are outside of the fold of Islam
also a suggestion for making videos: like how videos on stoicism are so popular on the internet, you can make videos with similar theme from the books of islamic scholars
This world is an illusion and a short visit. We put too much emphasis on this world when it’s just the preparation for the next life. All clarity for man is through the Quran, the word of God. The Quran communicates directly to the humans intellect without the need of imams, caliphs, authors, etc to interpret the reality of Allah. The Quran is a preparation for you to navigate THE LAST HOUR. When you leave this body and transcend to your next life. The Quran tells you directly what will happen and what to do. It’s so simple.
…and since THE LAST HOUR will be so wild, you will be surprised and not know what’s going on if you didn’t toil with the Quran. It’s like being thrown out of deep sleep into an MMA championship fight without experience or knowledge. You’ll get eaten up. However for those who used their time on earth to know and understand The Quran will know what’s at stake, they will be the winners in the LAST HOUR and will not be lead astray to other lesser realities (Hell - jahannam) but on a pilgrimage to Jannah with full awareness of Allah by their side.
Ibn Taimiyya is not the mainstream of Islam, he was considered as Neo-Salafi, not the "true" Salafi of 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries. Ibn Arabi was a Sunni, follows Maliki and Ash'ari teaching besides of tasawwuf (sufism), Maliki and Ash'ari lived in the 3rd century hegira and they were true Salafis. Ibn Taimiyya teachings are followed now by the Saudi-Wahhabi Kingdom, mainly through the teachings of the Neo-pseudo-Salafi, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, the leader of Wahhabism and Ibn Arabi as always is and was one of the mainstream of the Sunni understanding of tawhid in sufism. Without proper traditional learning from the masters in the knowledge of aqeeda, fiqh and tasawwuf people tend to deviate from the traditional understandings of Islam. Traditional learning with masters who have the sanad (chain of transmissions) and ijazah (license to teach) is important to understand the knowledge of Islam. We can't really understand Islam just by buying books and visiting libraries, the religion is a living religion and we take the knowledge from living people. As for the understandings of Ibn Taimiyyah and Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, they don't have the chain of transmissions and the teachings and understandings were 'cut of' from the sanad of ulemas, simply because they use their own understandings not the understandings of the Salafus Soleh times.
You have no idea what you’re talking about and must not have read any of ibn taymiyyahs works or Abdul wahabs. You should fear Allah when speaking of those who are foremost in knowledge and sacrificed so much to this beautiful religion.
People give more importance to human thoughts than Quran. I don’t understand what’s wrong with Muslims. Don’t there reasoning tell them that the master of the universe is the author of Quran
Ibn Arabi - he's correct Ibn Taymiyyah - he understood that dumb masses won't get it Even Mohammad PBUH explained things differently to differently capable people.
Hey respect them both were scholars of Islam and highly respectable personalities and their ideology might differ but ultimately both agrees with Tawheed and one believes on more spiritual meaning and aspects and other prefer the authentic Quran and Sunnah and hadith over other believes both are explainable in each perspectives
Tbh the average Muslim in the Middle East does not care about any of this. This includes governments and politicians. These are mostly conversations that happen between scholars or University professors.
Me personally see's that both of them are right i.e. one copmletes other's idea in which every person has his own way to worship but in the same time these acts of worshipness should point out to the unity of the creater❤❤
'Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) reported: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "If anyone introduces in our matter something which does not belong to it, will be rejected". [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]. The narration in Muslim says: "If anybody introduces a practice which is not authenticated by me, it is to be rejected". عن عائشة، رضي الله عنها، قالت: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من أحدث في أمرنا هذا ما ليس منه فهو رد" (( متفق عليه)). وفي رواية لمسلم : "من عمل عملاً ليس عليه أمرنا فهو رد".
In fact, the division between scholastic Islam and mystical Islam only exists at the intellectual level of classification of the different Islamic sciences. Tasawwuf is an Islamic science, just like Fiqh, Tafsir or Ahadith, and all of them emerged in a theoretical and organized form centuries after the life of the Prophet Muhammad (saws), which does not mean that they were not present as a practiced but not theoretical and organized reality in the time of the first 3 generations of Muslims. Al Gazali, Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Iman Nawawi and ibn Taymyyia were all scholars of fiqh, tafsir and Ahadith and were at the same time Sufis (practitioners of Islamic spirituality or the third level of Islam which is Ihsan Khamil). Ibn Taymiyya was also a Sufi and only criticized the unorthodox Sufis (who did not respect the Shariah). And Sufism has always been accepted by classical Sunni Islam of the four great madahab: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hambali. If one truly studies the traditional Islamic works, one will find that the above is correct and has always been so throughout Islamic history until the heretical Wahabi and Salafi sects emerged. These radical sects practice the method of the shaytan: hypocrisy, concealment of the truth and lies, and like all darkness they persecute the Sufis and their awlyias. EX: They adulterate the books of Gazali and hide the works of Imam Zakhariah Nawawi about Sufism.
Wahhabi adulterated the books of al-Nawawi. The ulema of Islam mainly are always followed the aqeedah of Ash'ari or Maturidi, any one of the four fiqh mazahib and the tasawwuf of Imam Ghazali. You are right brother, my late teacher always warn me about the books the Wahhabi edited to mislead the Sunni laymen. My late shaykh have the kitabs of his previous shaikh studied in Makkah in Daarul-ulum Madrasah and Shaulatiyyah madrasah. Both are Sunni traditional madrasah. Nowadays, the Daarul Ulum already closed a long time ago and Shaulatiyyah had been taken by the Saudi-Wahhabi.
@@yojan9238You are lying. Ok the scholars were “ashari” according to you - but tell me one thing - was Bukhari Ashari? Was Muslim Ashari? Was any of the Four imams Ashari? Were any of the Salaf Ashari? Rather, all of them followed the Quran and Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf. Not by some innovated way known as Asharism or Matruidism
We need both of them, but not in conflict rather in harmony. We need the Universe as the work of God as we need the Divine Speech and Examplary life of the Messenger of God.
that was the character of ibn taymiyyah for a majority of his life. although we must admit he did somewhat apologize and wished to retract most of his attempts at takfir when he grew much older.
I believe this is more the behavior of the people who "claim" to be followers of Ibn Taymiyyah. Controversial and extreme figures and sects in the Ummah today.
He is a kafir though; look at what the scholars have mentioned about him: Ibn Hajar said: Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir. (Ibid., p. 39) Abu Zar’ah ibn al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi said: Undoubtedly the famous book Al-Fusoos contains blatant kufr, as does al-Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah. If it is true that he wrote this and continued to believe in it until he died, then he is a kaafir who is doomed to eternity in Hell, no doubt about it. (Ibid., p. 60) Sheikh Al Islam: Whoever thinks well of them and claims not to know how they really are should be informed about them. If he does not then turn his back on them and denounce them, then he should be classed as one of them. Whoever says that their words could be interpreted in such a way that it does not contradict sharee’ah is one of their leaders and imaams. If he is intelligent, he should know what they really are. But if he believes in it and behaves like this openly and in secret, then he is a worse kaafir than the Christians. (Ibid., p. 25-28 - adapted and abbreviated)
AWESOME!! As a sufi, I was wondering how would such an artistic juxtaposition of Mysticism and Orthodoxy would've been....and here's the manifestation....
Beyond the subjective i like what one or the other is saying Is not what ibn arabi is saying objectively true Everything simply is a manifestation of the attributes of ALLAH (swt) his power grace knowledge etc etc...
On the 7:33min of the video, By Allah, my friend and I once had this conversation and my statement was exactly as Ibn Taymiyyah and his statement was exactly as that of Ibn Arabi... What's surprising me is that I said exactly what Ibn Taymiyyah said and By Allah I've never read any book of Ibn Taymiyyah I've only recently started reading books of aqeeda I was only reading the Quran and the Hadith at that time, I wasn't even using much tafsir,, and as for my friend all I know is that he's into suffism and I don't know if he read Ibn Arabi's book.
What I am very much surprised is that the arguments of Ibn Arabi didn’t reference the two main pointers of Wahdat-Al-wajood. Surat Noor ayat 35 & al hadid ayat number 3. The strongest proof of that concept from Quran
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They didn’t give ibn Arabi enough daleel making it seem like he was just making things up. The prophet (s) recited lines of quranic verses in a group at the battle of khandaq . There are many more examples of this . Remembrance of God in unison. Hadith from Sahih Muslim says “Whenever a group of people assemble for the remembrance of Allah, the angels surround them, mercy envelops them, tranquility descends upon them, and Allah makes a mention of them before those who are near Him."
Ibn Arabi was a scholar and ibn taymiah considered sufi and was listening to the Sufi Qasaaed of Assarsari And ibn taymiah was barried in tre graveyard that is waqf for sufies only
In my view, Ibn a Tammiyah is ‘latter’ while Ibn a Arabi is ‘spirit’ so both views need to be understood to grasp the concept in totality. Each view sort of serve as a check on other, therefore, I see both of them as converging rather divergent path.
I also agree with both. Both arguments are convincing. Ibn Taymiyyah has a solid point based on The Holy verses that Allah is unique and there is nothing like him. Ibn Arabi also has a point. More on the spiritual side of things. But I don't think I can agree with some of the practices of some Sufis e.g. dancing.
Interesting. This would have been a good debate (actually, discussion) if it occurred in real life, because BOTH men focused on in the video were legitimate scholars, and they were also ardent admirers of Al-Baz Al-Ash'hab, Sayyidina Al-Sheikh Abdul-Qadir Al-Gilani (Radiyallahu anhu), as can be found in their writings. Knowing this aspect alone, on top of them being of the Ulama, they would have utilized that point of similarity to derive their stances, their points of similarities and points of differences in a scholarly debate. And Allah Ta'ala knows best.
Ibn Arabi suffered from a major but unforeseen flaw. He based syncretization of Greek philosophy with Islam on the premise the Greeks achieved their intellectual achievements without guidance from Divine revelation, rather only by their struggle towards excellence. The Greeks themselves claimed they achieved this without borrowing from other civilizations or from Divine revelation. They claimed Minoan to Mycenean to Hellenic ages. The reality is quite different from these claims. From Minoan age onwards, Greeks took from Kemetic Egypt. Kemet was by far a major influence. After the collapse of Mycenean Greek societies from the Sea Peoples offensive in approx 1200 bce, Greece suffered a dark age with mass migrations and changes. It is more accepted that Israelite tribe of Dan migrated from the Levant along Anatolian coast to Ionian league of southeast Greece. Israelites and Canaanite/Phoenicians traded with, married, shared, assimilated with Greeks. Such that the Hellenic Greek alphabet was derived from Canaanite/Phoenican alphabet such that Hellenic Greek priests had to travel to Kemet to have Kemetic priests translate Mycenean manuscripts. Archaeological discoveries have shown Greek enclaves lived in the Levant and Levantines lived in Greece, especially Ionian Greece from 1100bce. Exchanges of civilizations included in religion, language, maritime seamanship, food. The very polytheist mythology of Hellenic Greece was adopted from the Canaanite version of the Mesopotamian polytheist religion and pantheon. (Eg. Zeus = Baal Hadad, Mt Olympus = Jabal Aqra). These archaeological facts establish the Greek adoption of nearby Levantine civilizations which would have included Israelite and religious teachings of Israelites. As Israelites included many who integrated into polytheist Levantine society after the death of Prophet Solomon in 930 bce, it is reasonable to assume from 930bce to 600 bce, teachings of Israelite prophets and Divine revelation reached Ionia Greece.
I agree with you that Muslim scholars in the past considered Greek philosopher as their spiritual leader but claiming that Ibn Arabi and his philosophy to be flawed is not true. Ibn Arabi provided a unified view of Islam which is based on metaphysics, Ibn Arabi wanted people to understand that God does not have anthropomorphic qualities while Ibn Tamiyyah did believe that Quran describe God literally and not metaphorically. According to Ibn Tamiyyah and later Salafism, God has hands much like humans which contradict Ibn Arabi's understand of a formless God beyond physical world.
Those who dived deep in to the nature of reality from the perspectives of Quran/Sunnah, math, quantum physics, and self discovery ( Fitrah) through intution, deep meditation, etc. clearly know ( different from blind belief) that Ibn Al Arabi was both inclusive and comprehensive in realizing Tawhid. He realized in heart La Ilaha IllallAh.as well as Muhammadur Rasullah. Let us remember that all saints and prophets spent time in solitude in deep mediation/self discovery including our Prophet ( PBUH). Sadly, most scholars were misled by blind knowledge and ego. There is only one Reality that manifests with many shades of color. Find out yourself. Dont believe anything. this is both falsifiable and predictable.
While I appreciated the thought-provoking debate between Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Arabi, I must point out two critical inaccuracies in your portrayal of Ibn Arabi. First, Ibn Arabi never coined or referred to his concept as 'unity of being' (وحدة الوجود); this term was applied to his work much later. Secondly, the depiction of Ibn Arabi defending سماع (music and dancing) is incorrect. In fact, Ibn Arabi criticized those who engaged in سماع, referring to them as 'the ignorant Sufis' (جهال الصوفية). I Your work is highly respected but I encourage you to ensure greater accuracy in the future. Your work is valuable, and with more precision, it can truly shine!
@@amrollahmorad759 the most shirk i see today in our ummah, doesn't come from sufi, but from blind followers of hadit, so called salafi, who give legislative power to others than Allah, many of which look up to Ibn Taymmiah for reference. May Allah guide us all!
@@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn giving legislative power to others than Allah, obey rulers who command what is wrong, loving material wealth above anything, fearing earthly authorities more than we fear Allah... shirk comes in so many form and, today, worshiping idols or alleged deities, is much less common than others, like those example i quoted.
@@musamusashi who gave you that definition bruh + i am not saudi and dont judge me that way. Shirk is comparing someone or something with Allah in simple words polytheism we ask and worship no one other than Allah.
Ibn Arabis position on Unity of Being is much more convincing and correct which reflects the deeper understanding of Tawhid implying that the whole creation is nothing but the effect of the infinite attributes of Allah. They are nothing of themselves .He is rightly called as Sheikhul Akbar
Did Ibn Abbas, Ibn Omar and Ibn Hurairah, the companions of the Prophet Muhammad, agree with you? The understanding of Islam was complete after the farewell sermon of the Prophet Muhammad. Putting philosophy ahead of the Prophet Muhammad’s understanding of the Islamic religion is foolishness
Ibn Arabi was declared a kaafir by many legitimate scholars. His idea of pantheism comes from greeks and Hindus. Stop taking knowledge from kuffaar for your religion. Islam is complete it doesn't need philosophy which Abu Hanifa and all the other Imams warned agaisnt severely.
An attempt to understand the words of Ibn arabi is akin to the one trying to catch a smoke. Allah wouldn't leave an area that is that important as an esoteric thing. Such an aspect of the deen as Allah has willed has been made very easy and straightforward to understand so that it will be accessible to all.
Ibn Arabi was also a scholar. He was the chief judge of Cordoba. Ibn Taymiyyah was an anthropomorphist innovator. He descended from the stairs of minbar and said this is how Allah descends.
The understanding of Ibn Taymiyya, in my opinion, is very straightforward and strict. He allows no room for any kind of innovation or change that could occur with the ideas presented by Ibn Arabi. The philosophy presented by Ibn Arabi is merely experiences that he had when practicing a new type of zikr in multiple ways. Perhaps he got closer to Allah, but this is not guaranteed for any common Muslim. Following a straightforward approach towards Islam is more sensible and approachable for new and common Muslims who do not have a clear understanding of tawheed.
My perspective does not fully align with Ibn Taymiyya. I believe we should have a clear understanding of the core principles of Islam, and then focus on what Prophet Muhammad SAW taught us. We should identify things in our lives and in the world that go against the teachings of our beloved Prophet (SAW) and have debates on them, rather than writing book after book on the philosophy of Islam in our own ways. This is also dangerous, as you might unknowingly cross the line.
I think i agree with u in a way, as a non muslim. The straight forward way is more suitable for beginners and in certain survival/societal contexts. But the perspective of ibn El arabi is more advanced in my view. It's suitable for the real truth seekers. Ibn taymiyya is just concerned about believing and following islam as he understood it, which has its own value in its proper context (like in a context of danger and instability, it creates smth to hold onto and solidly unify a people). But the mystics like El arabi are the ones who go inquire into the nature of reality themselves and verify the truth in islam for themselves (although they most prolly still have their own islamic bias too)
The issue with your statements is your concern with your own thoughts and perspectives. Islam does not care about anyone’s thoughts or perspectives. It is straight forward - follow the Quran and Sunnah exactly the way the companions of Prophet ﷺ understood it. As for coming up with your own spiritual methods, then all of this is heresy that will land one in the Fire. Please, do not become amazed by your own interpretations or thoughts. Islam is a clear methodology!
@@CamouflageMaster yes you get it right, but the problem is who will tell the deeper meanings that al arabi is trying to explore? Everyone uses his own philosophy and comes up with strange "Deeper meanings", how will you validate if what arabi says is correct?
@@iymuslim idk if this comment was pointed to me or the OP but anyways it definitively does not seem so straight forward and clear as u make it seem to be. Bc why are there all of these sects and interpretations of islam, all these discussions? To follow islam as the prophet and companions understood it, u still have to interpret. There's no way around it. Atleast that's how it looks like for me.
@@aaquib2010 wait, wdym? This is another question I guess. I wasn't saying muslims should follow or verify ibn El arabi, but i guess they could by trying enough of the spiritual practices that heighten the chance of discovering the truth for yourself. In buddhism it is meditation for example. Idk what methods ibn El arabi used but it all leads to the same truth
The owner of this channel and the ignorant keyboard warriors in the comments section should fear Allah and learn to go back to the scholars and seek knowledge through them. Ibn Arabi was an extreme sufi and a kafir. Here's a glimpse of what some scholars mention about him: Ibn Hajar said: Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir. (Aqeedah Ibn ‘Arabi wa Hayaatuhu by Taqiy al-Deen al-Faasi, p. 39) Abu Zar’ah ibn al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi said: Undoubtedly the famous book Al-Fusoos contains blatant kufr, as does al-Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah. If it is true that he wrote this and continued to believe in it until he died, then he is a kaafir who is doomed to eternity in Hell, no doubt about it. (Ibid., p. 60) Sheikh Al Islam: Whoever thinks well of them and claims not to know how they really are should be informed about them. If he does not then turn his back on them and denounce them, then he should be classed as one of them. Whoever says that their words could be interpreted in such a way that it does not contradict sharee’ah is one of their leaders and imaams. If he is intelligent, he should know what they really are. But if he believes in it and behaves like this openly and in secret, then he is a worse kaafir than the Christians. (Ibid., p. 25-28 - adapted and abbreviated)
Not all three books attributed to sh. Ibn Taymiyyan are his.😂 These videos should be of higher quality and most preferable use their own words with reference.
Ibn Tayamih like Moses is right in his understanding and we as muslims should strictly follow his way...but Ibn Arabi is like that 'man of knowledge' moses met when the fish found its way to the water, when moses felt he is the only one with knowledge and God sent him to look fo that 'man of knowledge'!!!
Ibn Taymiyyah assertions are mostly based on fear; asking, what if, kind of rhetorical questions instead of giving 'practical and present' examples, like Sheikh Al Akber.
IBN ARABI MASHALLAH TAKBIR! UNITY OF BEING. I AM NOTHING. LA ILAHA ILLALLAH ASHADUANA MUHAMMADUN RASULULLAH THERE IS NOTHING BUT ALLAH AND nur MUHAMMAD peace be upon him IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH
99 names of ALLAH. ALL OF THE CREATIONS HAVE AN ABILITY TO HAVE ATTRIBUTES OF ONE OR MORE OF ALLAH'S ATTRIBUTES. YET WE ARE NOTHING IN THE FACE OF ALLAH
6:18 if that is a concern then you don't need Sufism to realize it, just radical Islam (ISIS and Taliban) their strict adherence destroys Islam. So what is true for one, is true for the other.
Understanding the essence of Allah by personal thinking without the aid of Qur'an and Sunnah, will lead to astray. You'll be mislead by clever whispering of satan. You confidently think you did correctly but, in reality you deviated from the right path. The Muslim must always rely on the Qur'an and Sunnah through the understanding and explanations of the companions and their immediate successors or else we will be lose and lost from the true guidance of Islam.
So living a religious life we also still need a cultural life because cultures provides what is different to life than what religion provides. Culture is the difference between coastal people and mountain people. Coastal people eat more fish and mountain people eat more cattle’s than sea food. Religion informs of the truth of world and guides belief. The home built in the dessert is known as a Mesa which a home built in forests is built from wood and thatch. Should the one who builds mesas tell the one who lives in forest that Mesas are the only right way to build a home?
Go and read the work of the early scholars, ibn taymiah was only quoting from the pious predecessors. Some of the pious predecessors translate itiwa as sitting. Whether that is correct or not is another debate of his own. Ibn taymiahs methodology is base on Quran and Sunnah and the understanding of pious predecessors, he might get things wrong however that doesn't mean his methodology is wrong.
This is not what he said. But a guy said it and His name is " الرحالة ابن بطوطة" The guy who said that was lying and at that time "ibn taymiyah" was in prison and died in prison. If you follow the story and exact timing, u will find that he lied! They used to fabricate against Taymiyah so they jail him. He was jailed 6 or 7 times Because he was against bida'ah Stop the cap! i challenge u to bring me this from his books. Open challenege! This is just too much lies, too much missinformation about the man. Plus, it's not about Istiwaa but About the Hadith Of rassul Allah أخرج البخاري في صحيحه (1145) ومسلم (1261) عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه ، أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: " ينزل رَبُّنَا تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى كُلَّ لَيْلَةٍ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ الدُّنْيَا حِينَ يَبْقَى ثُلُثُ اللَّيْلِ الآخِرُ يَقُولُ : مَنْ يَدْعُونِي فَأَسْتَجِيبَ لَهُ مَنْ يَسْأَلُنِي فَأُعْطِيَهُ مَنْ يَسْتَغْفِرُنِي فَأَغْفِرَ لَهُ" . وقد روى هذا الحديث عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم نحوٌ من ثمانية وعشرين صحابياً ـ رضي الله عنهم We do not know how, Rassul Allah said it. We believe it! Period Allah's istiwa'a or Hearing, seeing ..etc is nothing similar to ours. That's what salaf believed and that's what ibn taymiyah believe and defended against Philosophers of Ilm al kalam who interpret The sifat and names according to plato logic. We can not understand the unseen, we say what Allah and his prophet said About istiwa'a take this. Therefore, when Imam Malik bin Anas, may Allah have mercy on him, was asked about the Almighty’s saying: [The Most Gracious is established above the Throne] (Ta-Ha: 5). He said: Istiwaa is known, the how is unknown, belief in it is obligatory, and asking about it is an innovation. So his answer indicated three things, which are: The first: proving the attributes without interpretation. Second: Delegation of how. Third: is avoiding talking about the unseen. 2/529 الاستذكار
Hands down Ibn Arabi wins! Ibn Tayimiyyah's concerns are valid but Ibn Arabi rests assured Ibn Tayimiyyah! Ibn Taymiyyah advocates for a static world which is not possible. Ibn Arabi does seek to change shariah NOR does he ENDORSE/Advocate bid'ah. Rather Ibn Arabi allows culture to flourish and develop in accordance to Quran and Sunnah!
Very good initiative!! In my humble opinion the next Islamic revivalism lies in the reconciliation of Tasawwuf and Orthodoxy/ literalism of Ibn Taymiyaah. Such discourse will create a more inclusive ummah where such highly diverse opinion are not just tolerated but rather respected. Shah Waliullah Dehelvi did try to reconcile these two aspects of Islam (Orthodoxy and Tsawwuf) but the on-ground large scale impact of his attempt is still awaited. I hope your channel will help to achieve this aim.
Never should have "closed the doors to ijtihad" in the first place.
SIMPLY SPEAKING:
Hazrat Ibn e Taymiyyah wishes to ensure that his entire class passes the course (i.e., enter paradise)
Hazrat Ibn e Arabi teaches to maximize the number of students who receive an A (enjoy Divine's nearness)
In other words, both mean well. Now, it is up to each student to choose the scholar whose class they wish to enroll in.
Lovely
I really like this way of putting it, good for you Sir
great way to put it
Ibn Arabi the kafir infected with shirk who majority scholars made takfir on for clear kufr
Ibn Arabi was a kafir, extreme sufi, and his beliefs are not Islamic. Don't ever compare him to Sheikh Al Islam rahimahullah
And now, in 21st century Ibne Arabi's Wahdat ul Wajood is being validated by Quantum Physics.
Shirkiya concept
٣١. Ali Imran verse 31
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If you ˹sincerely˺ love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
The sufi won't care as he believes the Quran is created
Am not a scholar of Islam but the beauty of nature and goodness in humans ...staring at the stars reminds me of how much more Beautiful Allah is ..
Allaah's beauty is not something to be imagined nor any of His attributes. Qur'an clearly states that "There is nothing like unto Him" (42:11) no matter how beautiful the universe is we shouldn't make analogy with Allaah! For He the Exalted is not put to analogy with His creation. This is our Creed and indeed the Creed of the Salaf (the predecessors). Next time dear brother you should rather speak with knowledge or just remain silence for indeed the Qur'an and Sunnah warns speaking about Allaah and religious matters without knowledge. Hope am right, correct me if am wrong.
Allah bless ibn arabi rehamtulla both people are right one is looking at the water while the other looks at the jug that is holding that water both are needed and both have purpose.
Excellent job so far. Keep it up.
May Allah assist you in your good endeavors.
Such an excellent and novel concept for a video format! I can't wait for more! I would love to see a debate including Suhrawardi and his ḥikmat al-ishrāq, or illuminationist ideas!
Very Nice Idea!
Nice to meet you under these comments brother!
Habibi Bobby
I like them too
but @BobbysPerspective please actually read many of their works -- notably that of Ghazali, Rushd, Arabi, Sina, etc… and then read taymiyyahs works (who I ALSO respect) but you quickly see the FAR difference in their brilliancies - and rushd didn’t always agree with Ghazali, as Ghazali did not with Sina (though they were all influenced by each other, Ghazali of Sina, and Rushd of Ghazali and Sina)
May Allah reward Ibn Taymiyyah - he was a good scholar with strong iman….. so may he have his place in Jannah - but if you actually read all their works …. you will see how these awesome little debate videos do not do justice for the sheer difference within their intelligence (and that is NOT to say the great ibn Taymiyyah was not intelligent! but in comparison? its like night and day) But those who all do taqlid of Taymiyyah and almost worship him (aaoouth billah), I would say 75%of them have never even took the time to read JUST AT LEAST two works of ibn taymiyyah from front to back (as one of his main works is very small…hence at least two lol) and of the 25% that have done so (obviously this all being arbitrary) I would say 10% read the works of the other scholars …..
hence there is a reason that St. Thomas Aquinas - Rene Descartes and more were soooo influenced by the former scholars …. especially Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali
who not only mastered Fiqh (for example in Saudi, and two other gulf states, where hanbali fiqh is the most prevalent, the main fiqh book they use IS based off the Mustasfa of Imam Ghazali) - that is an objective fact - he mastered Philosophy , logic , and reasoning within the framework of Islam, he mastered Quranic studies, and even very intricate mysticism studies of tasawwuf (aka sufism) that never strays from Islam …. as Arabi did at times, though much of it is a misunderstanding of Arabi’s actual “meaning” to be fair to him (but either way, he was another genius) -- the only thing that Ghazali did not master… only because he never went on to do so was ahadith literature …. and I wish he did, because he would have been a ahadith relativist than that of an absolutist and most likely would have been under that of the Maliki or Hanafi madhhab instead 😅
But May Allah reward the great Imam Shafi’i!!!! If it was not for the al-Risala - there never would have been a Mustasfa to begin with
they all played their part - May Allah reward them all
I don't think they would make any discussion when they heard adzan, like they did in Damascus.
I really loved them both. I felt like they both created some kind of balance in my understanding and reflection of Allah swt and Islam. Both seemed right in their own way.
If only they have twitter.. the battle would be legendary.🎉 .. Alhamdulillah we had so much knowledgeable people in our faith .. humanity forever in depth on them
It is a good dialogue may be imaginary but gives the essence of Islam. It is the essence of Islam that draws the human to understand and seek the divines blessings of Allah.
Subscribed to your channel!
When it comes to sticking to what God had decreed and what the prophet has practiced, Ibn Taymiyyah is the man.
Ibn Arabis team is still 80% of the Muslim world.
Despite Social Media and it's efforts.
Great format, personally I agree with the differing opinions existing and mutual respect. The one element which remains undiscussed and in my view an important one is the fact that the Ummah is vast with people of many differing levels of education, wisdom, insight and understanding. To me there is no issue with different perspectives as the more ‘simplistic’ and rules based views would perfectly suit those who require a level of certainty as the levels of understanding are not as developed. The key is for those that have developed the understanding and insight to share that there can exist levels of understanding depending of spiritual wisdom and insight so that there is a level of tolerance, awareness and understanding even amongst the masses who must not be misled into thinking it is forbidden (haraam) to question or to explore or hold a different perspective.
If the ummah can achieve a common understanding of the importance of questioning and being able to understand that if one cannot respond then it is possible that one doesn’t have the complete understanding and therefore rather than labelling it as haraam to consider perhaps a perspective remains unexplored and to seek perspectives from those with greater insight and wisdom.
Ibn Arabi life reflected immense spritual depth of soul, universe , God .. What an amazing personality of mediveal era history had ... Truly Amazing
This atheist insulted the divine self by saying that God incarnates even in a dog. He denied the Islamic religion by saying that idol worshippers believe that idols are God. This criminal also equated Islam with other pagan religions.
@@maalmull wherever you look, there is the face of Allah
Yes Ibn Arabi is so deep , you need to ve a true servant and be connected to ALLAH before understanding.
@@ebrahimparpia169 lol ?
it was about the Qiblah. when Rassul Allah changed the Qiblah fromJerusalem to Mecca. The Jews and some hypocrits argued about it. Then Allah swt responded by "The verse" you quoted.
U believe in wihdatu al wujud. أعوذ بالله من هذا الكفر
This is the hindu creed
@@maalmull They believe everything is Allah and we are Allah
Atheists kuffar. going clearly against quran and sunnah. It's the hindu creed
Ibn Taymiyyah with them bars: “Your explanation sounds poetic, but is theologically perilous.”
Them bars you a kafir
Of course, Ibn Arabi's explanation would seem theologically perilous to a discombobulated schoolboy (Ibn Taymiyya) 😊
How do you explain sura ikhlas as a mystic?
@@TheMercifulAndJust The understanding of Ibn Taymiyya, in my opinion, is very straightforward and strict. He allows no room for any kind of innovation or change that could occur with the ideas presented by Ibn Arabi. The philosophy presented by Ibn Arabi is merely experiences that he had when practicing a new type of zikr in multiple ways. Perhaps he got closer to Allah, but this is not guaranteed for any common Muslim. Following a straightforward approach towards Islam is more sensible and approachable for new and common Muslims who do not have a clear understanding of tawheed.
My perspective does not fully align with Ibn Taymiyya. I believe we should have a clear understanding of the core principles of Islam, and then focus on what Prophet Muhammad SAW taught us. We should identify things in our lives and in the world that go against the teachings of our beloved Prophet (SAW) and have debates on them, rather than writing book after book on the philosophy of Islam in our own ways. This is also dangerous, as you might unknowingly cross the line.
It is perilous because the average muslim will not understand Ibn Arabi's view, not because it has elements of falsehood per se.
This is a discussion that should remain among people of knowledge. If you don't have the capacity to understand without oversimplifying, then you should stay away from the discussion.
Ibn taymiyyah was an ocean of knowledge
in which the God given critical thinking ability of his follower suicided by drowning.
@@musamusashi They wouldn't even understand what you're saying here.
@@Sawt-Al7aq 😂
@@musamusashiI feel embarrassed to ask: what do you mean by that ? 😅
@@G_Singh222, i was just joking on the concept of "ocean of knowledge" pointing out that those who embrace such knowledge withouth filtering it through critical thinking, will end up drowning in it, figuratively speaking.
I like them both and hope we can see them in Jannah. Sunni, Shia, Salafi etc brothers & sisters hope we all go to Jannah 🤲❤️
@Acesinz Anybody can go to Jannah as long as you believe in one almighty and do good deeds ( Quran 5: 69).
Do you have any knowledge to bring it forth to us or just mere words
I'm team Arabi!
i like your channel, this is a very noble idea, keep making videos!
Ibn Arabi survived and radiated. Ibn Tamiya was forgotten and raised again in the 20th century by the Wahhabis and salafis because they needed a mechanical, materialistic islam, which ibn tamiya is.
Also ibn arabi never once used the term wahdatul wajood
It baffles me why ignorant individuals speak about topics as though they know it! Ibn Taymiyyah is a figure who has been quoted and referenced ever since his scholarship - from Fiqh to Aqeedah. I don’t understand how it is possible that you make a huge lie like this knowing you will stand before Allah.
@@iymuslim making their own happiness fr😂
What an awful and stupid statements from you, do you even know what you are talking? 😅 😅
Ibn Tymiyyah has been quoted since his days up till now, do you even know anything about Ibn Tymiyyah at all?
@@iymuslimI was gonna say same thing, thank you
@@iymuslim lol! The Wahabis-Salafi types who idolize Taymiyyah like to pretend there is no such thing as the Wahabi-Salafi types. Talk about gaslighting!
Ibn Taymiyyah's influence was extremely important in Islamic history, and he wrote many profound works that are still considered references by Muslim scholars, and some of his students are among the most famous scholars of the Islamic nation.
1. Some Arab philosophers say that Ibn Taymiyyah is the greatest philosopher in Islamic civilization, and some say that he is the best of the scholars who criticized Aristotle’s logic.
He has a book criticizing logic, opinions in philosophy, and criticism of major Greek scholars.
It is said that the Ash'aris were influenced by philosophy and began to use philosophy in interpreting the attributes of the Creator, and their greatest critic was Ibn Taymiyyah. Therefore, the book Aleaqidah al-Wasitiyyah is one of the most important books of the faith that brings Muslims back to the first generations' understanding of the attributes of the Creator.
2. Ibn Taymiyyah is one of the most famous people who criticized religions and sects that he believes are deviant. Therefore, he has a book criticizing Christianity, criticizing the Shiites, criticizing the Ash’aris, etc. His books are considered references in Islamic aleaqidah books.
Such as he wrote:
1. Minhaj al-Sunnah : This is in criticism of Shiite thought that came out of the circle of Islam
2. Answering those who altered the religion of Jesus Christ, In criticism of Christianity
Among his important books on Islamic aleaqidah:
A.The Creed of Al-wasitiyyah by Ibn Taymiyyah ( To know the attributes of the Creator in Islam) >>>
Sharah al Aqeda al Wasitiyah 2 Volume Set by Shykh Muhammad bin Salih Al Uthaimin
B. Explanation of a Summary of Al Aqeedatul Hamawiyyah: Authored by Ibn Taymiyyah
C. Towards Understanding of Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh-Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah
The Book of Tawhid: It is by Sheikh Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab and explains the teachings of Islam in Islamic monotheism. Therefore, Shiites and Sufis hate this book because it exposes their worship that conflicts with Islamic aleaqidah.
I advise you to read this book, explained by Ibn Uthaymeen or Sheikh Al-Fawzan, which is very distinctive.
Majmue Fatwas: A very huge book containing teachings on aleaqidat, his stories, his fatwas, his criticism of deviant doctrines, etc.
He's revered by Salafis not every Muslim
Indeed Shaykh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimullah is one of the greatest scholars, he is mujjaddid who gave everything to save our deen from deviants.
Over the year Muslims of Turkey, Iran, Indian subcontinent etc were influenced by Sufis and they slowly started deviating from the right path. Now this muslims says Shaykh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah is not revered by every muslim. Because we dont consider him anything. That is so navie of this sufis that there blind following there deviant forefathers takes them away from the right path.
😂 dear wahabbi jealous akhi ...ibn taymiyah was a sufi himself but didn't agree with all teachings of ibn arabi .
Btw ibn arbi is in different league , difficult for people like u 😊
Ibn Taymiyya was not a najdi. Stop using his name. The Ummah is Ashari/Maturidi. Deal with it.
you are right 100% Ibni Arabi has No right to explain Islam and its spirituality different and opposite from What Prophet Muhammad SAW himself explained and practiced in his whole life and all his Sahaba have followed and preached the same way. Ibni Arabi is Mushrik, worshiping Satan.
I can't be the only one who has deep respect for both Ibn Arabi and Ibn Taymiyyah. Frankly, I believe a difference in views on faith is what compels us to understand it further
It seems that ibn arabi just pulls whatever he feels like out to prove his point. While ibn taymiyah uses evidence from the Quran and sunnah. Ive read ibn taymiyah and this seems to be accurate to his perspective. Sufism has a lot of innovation that teaches esotericism which can lead to more innovation. If one person's experience allows him to change the religion a little bit for himself and then he teaches others and then they have their own experiences and they teach others within a few generations you won't have the religion no more
Which is good, experience is better than religion ❤
Not really. Ibn arabi and his explanation are well thought but you seem to be focusing on the fact he was a sufi rather than his actual teachings. Leave this to the scholar but ibn arabi was a legend
@@sulisueeeeee0553 if you guys like someone who just says whatever he wants without a source to back it up, sure. If you prefer evidence from Allah and his messenger then, no.
Dont speak with ignorance. Ibn Taymiyyah has reached the highest level of every science of Islam and memorized every single ahadith, tafsirs and aqeedah books. No one denies this and every scholar affirms that there is no scholar more knowledgeable then Ibn Taymiyyah.
As Ibn Arabi, he was an apostate Sufi and not even a muslim. The major scholars of Islam unanemously declared him as an apostate. He was an ingorant when it comes to to the Quran and Sunnah. Imagine daring to compare this apostate who said "worshipping a dog is like worshipping God" and has many other disbelief statements. All of his followers today are misguided Sufi graveworshippers who are outside of the fold of Islam
The scholars declared Ibn Arabi as an apostate. He wasnt an Islamic scholar rather he was pantheist who rejected the classical texts of Islam
Should make this into an episode of "epic rap battle of history.”
also a suggestion for making videos: like how videos on stoicism are so popular on the internet, you can make videos with similar theme from the books of islamic scholars
A Really Nice Video , more power to you. Could you make videos on rumi or early islam after prophet Muhammad.❤😊
For understanding early Islam, I would suggest consulting "Muhammad - His life based on the earliest sources" by Martin Lings.
Love is the Answer..
This world is an illusion and a short visit. We put too much emphasis on this world when it’s just the preparation for the next life. All clarity for man is through the Quran, the word of God. The Quran communicates directly to the humans intellect without the need of imams, caliphs, authors, etc to interpret the reality of Allah. The Quran is a preparation for you to navigate THE LAST HOUR. When you leave this body and transcend to your next life. The Quran tells you directly what will happen and what to do. It’s so simple.
…and since THE LAST HOUR will be so wild, you will be surprised and not know what’s going on if you didn’t toil with the Quran. It’s like being thrown out of deep sleep into an MMA championship fight without experience or knowledge. You’ll get eaten up. However for those who used their time on earth to know and understand The Quran will know what’s at stake, they will be the winners in the LAST HOUR and will not be lead astray to other lesser realities (Hell - jahannam) but on a pilgrimage to Jannah with full awareness of Allah by their side.
In the Prophet ﷺ is an excellent example
❤
Ibn Taymiyya the prophet of the salafist wahabis
Ibn Taimiyya is not the mainstream of Islam, he was considered as Neo-Salafi, not the "true" Salafi of 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries. Ibn Arabi was a Sunni, follows Maliki and Ash'ari teaching besides of tasawwuf (sufism), Maliki and Ash'ari lived in the 3rd century hegira and they were true Salafis. Ibn Taimiyya teachings are followed now by the Saudi-Wahhabi Kingdom, mainly through the teachings of the Neo-pseudo-Salafi, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, the leader of Wahhabism and Ibn Arabi as always is and was one of the mainstream of the Sunni understanding of tawhid in sufism. Without proper traditional learning from the masters in the knowledge of aqeeda, fiqh and tasawwuf people tend to deviate from the traditional understandings of Islam. Traditional learning with masters who have the sanad (chain of transmissions) and ijazah (license to teach) is important to understand the knowledge of Islam. We can't really understand Islam just by buying books and visiting libraries, the religion is a living religion and we take the knowledge from living people. As for the understandings of Ibn Taimiyyah and Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, they don't have the chain of transmissions and the teachings and understandings were 'cut of' from the sanad of ulemas, simply because they use their own understandings not the understandings of the Salafus Soleh times.
Have not the Holy Quran and the Holy prophet covered what Tawheed is? Do we need people hundreds of years later come and tell us what Tawheed is?
Your statement sounds good however Ashari creed was defected in the area of asma wa siffat
There's no such thing as Ashari or Athari in Quran or Saheeh Haddith, anyone who says there is, is a liar and kadabun and Dhajjal.....open challenge!
You have no idea what you’re talking about and must not have read any of ibn taymiyyahs works or Abdul wahabs. You should fear Allah when speaking of those who are foremost in knowledge and sacrificed so much to this beautiful religion.
People give more importance to human thoughts than Quran. I don’t understand what’s wrong with Muslims. Don’t there reasoning tell them that the master of the universe is the author of Quran
Ibn Arabi - he's correct
Ibn Taymiyyah - he understood that dumb masses won't get it
Even Mohammad PBUH explained things differently to differently capable people.
But what if you have that above average intellect in those masses? Then what?
@AbdullahToorMystic welcome to the club :D
You can find nearest Ibn Arabi Secret Society or suffer like most. 😬
Hey respect them both were scholars of Islam and highly respectable personalities and their ideology might differ but ultimately both agrees with Tawheed and one believes on more spiritual meaning and aspects and other prefer the authentic Quran and Sunnah and hadith over other believes both are explainable in each perspectives
@HuzaifaGamingZone.7007 You're so diplomatic. 👀
@@BobHill-s2c What's wrong in respecting both when both are Muslim scolers don't hate each other . Don't said to follow polytheism
Tbh the average Muslim in the Middle East does not care about any of this. This includes governments and politicians. These are mostly conversations that happen between scholars or University professors.
Very Useful❤
Good presentation ❤
Imagine if speakers corner was like this wow Miracle
they would have to call the police because they would be screaming at each other.
Great piece of content
Me personally see's that both of them are right i.e. one copmletes other's idea in which every person has his own way to worship but in the same time these acts of worshipness should point out to the unity of the creater❤❤
Shaykh Al-Akbar Ibn-e-Arabi is light years ahead of Ibn-e-Taymiayyah.
Who here is siding with ibn taymiyya ☝🏽
'Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "If anyone introduces in our matter something which does not belong to it, will be rejected".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
The narration in Muslim says: "If anybody introduces a practice which is not authenticated by me, it is to be rejected".
عن عائشة، رضي الله عنها، قالت: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من أحدث في أمرنا هذا ما ليس منه فهو رد" (( متفق عليه)).
وفي رواية لمسلم : "من عمل عملاً ليس عليه أمرنا فهو رد".
Very nice graphic 🎉🎉
Ibne tamiah n ibnul arabi both were great scholars we respect them
In fact, the division between scholastic Islam and mystical Islam only exists at the intellectual level of classification of the different Islamic sciences. Tasawwuf is an Islamic science, just like Fiqh, Tafsir or Ahadith, and all of them emerged in a theoretical and organized form centuries after the life of the Prophet Muhammad (saws), which does not mean that they were not present as a practiced but not theoretical and organized reality in the time of the first 3 generations of Muslims. Al Gazali, Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Iman Nawawi and ibn Taymyyia were all scholars of fiqh, tafsir and Ahadith and were at the same time Sufis (practitioners of Islamic spirituality or the third level of Islam which is Ihsan Khamil). Ibn Taymiyya was also a Sufi and only criticized the unorthodox Sufis (who did not respect the Shariah). And Sufism has always been accepted by classical Sunni Islam of the four great madahab: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hambali.
If one truly studies the traditional Islamic works, one will find that the above is correct and has always been so throughout Islamic history until the heretical Wahabi and Salafi sects emerged. These radical sects practice the method of the shaytan: hypocrisy, concealment of the truth and lies, and like all darkness they persecute the Sufis and their awlyias. EX: They adulterate the books of Gazali and hide the works of Imam Zakhariah Nawawi about Sufism.
Sunnies are divided in 4 and accuses taklif shut up
Wahhabi adulterated the books of al-Nawawi. The ulema of Islam mainly are always followed the aqeedah of Ash'ari or Maturidi, any one of the four fiqh mazahib and the tasawwuf of Imam Ghazali. You are right brother, my late teacher always warn me about the books the Wahhabi edited to mislead the Sunni laymen. My late shaykh have the kitabs of his previous shaikh studied in Makkah in Daarul-ulum Madrasah and Shaulatiyyah madrasah. Both are Sunni traditional madrasah. Nowadays, the Daarul Ulum already closed a long time ago and Shaulatiyyah had been taken by the Saudi-Wahhabi.
Imam gazali is not main figure in tasawwuf, wharever he was also Sunni. In Neither of the tasawwuf tareeqahs' main figures ,he is in.@@yojan9238
@@yojan9238You are lying. Ok the scholars were “ashari” according to you - but tell me one thing - was Bukhari Ashari? Was Muslim Ashari? Was any of the Four imams Ashari? Were any of the Salaf Ashari?
Rather, all of them followed the Quran and Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf. Not by some innovated way known as Asharism or Matruidism
@@iymuslim Who are the salaf?
The answer is in surah baqarah ayah 30. We are taught, we do not teach ourselves.
We need both of them, but not in conflict rather in harmony. We need the Universe as the work of God as we need the Divine Speech and Examplary life of the Messenger of God.
ignorance of tawhid = path to destruction of Iman of ignorant !!!
ibne Arabic nothing to do with Islam but polytheism.... nothing at all...
We don’t need ibn arabi, if you welcome kufr we don’t, Quran and Sunna are clear
The reality is that Ibn Taymiyyah would’ve called him a kafir and demeaned him the entire time.
that was the character of ibn taymiyyah for a majority of his life. although we must admit he did somewhat apologize and wished to retract most of his attempts at takfir when he grew much older.
Did you know him personally?
I believe this is more the behavior of the people who "claim" to be followers of Ibn Taymiyyah. Controversial and extreme figures and sects in the Ummah today.
He is a kafir though; look at what the scholars have mentioned about him:
Ibn Hajar said:
Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir.
(Ibid., p. 39)
Abu Zar’ah ibn al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi said:
Undoubtedly the famous book Al-Fusoos contains blatant kufr, as does al-Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah. If it is true that he wrote this and continued to believe in it until he died, then he is a kaafir who is doomed to eternity in Hell, no doubt about it.
(Ibid., p. 60)
Sheikh Al Islam:
Whoever thinks well of them and claims not to know how they really are should be informed about them. If he does not then turn his back on them and denounce them, then he should be classed as one of them.
Whoever says that their words could be interpreted in such a way that it does not contradict sharee’ah is one of their leaders and imaams. If he is intelligent, he should know what they really are. But if he believes in it and behaves like this openly and in secret, then he is a worse kaafir than the Christians.
(Ibid., p. 25-28 - adapted and abbreviated)
Well done ❤
I would be pleased if ibn taymiyya's dar' had been added to him, I think it would then be a better discussion, but still interesting video!
AWESOME!! As a sufi, I was wondering how would such an artistic juxtaposition of Mysticism and Orthodoxy would've been....and here's the manifestation....
Beyond the subjective i like what one or the other is saying
Is not what ibn arabi is saying objectively true
Everything simply is a manifestation of the attributes of ALLAH (swt) his power grace knowledge etc etc...
On the 7:33min of the video, By Allah, my friend and I once had this conversation and my statement was exactly as Ibn Taymiyyah and his statement was exactly as that of Ibn Arabi... What's surprising me is that I said exactly what Ibn Taymiyyah said and By Allah I've never read any book of Ibn Taymiyyah I've only recently started reading books of aqeeda I was only reading the Quran and the Hadith at that time, I wasn't even using much tafsir,, and as for my friend all I know is that he's into suffism and I don't know if he read Ibn Arabi's book.
What I am very much surprised is that the arguments of Ibn Arabi didn’t reference the two main pointers of Wahdat-Al-wajood. Surat Noor ayat 35 & al hadid ayat number 3. The strongest proof of that concept from Quran
Al Hadiyat?
Do you mean AL Adiyat ?
God being the light of the heavens and earth doesn't qualify wahdat al wujud I agree with tamiyya
I want to learn islamic literatutr and these schollars...I live in India, where ll i get the books related to this? Kindly answer
Buy books from the website sifatusafwa which are in Arabic. If you want English reccomendations them ask me. One such book is Usool as Sunnah by Shaykh Rabee.
Ibn Arabi was a scholar. Ibn Taymiyya was also a Sufi.
Exactly
That's why Sufis hate him and curse him lol
This is Word play he had no tariqa he is from ahlus sunnah
@@shakebackent.1070 You have to read both, then you can judge what they were.
@@quote4every1 read Al aqeeda Al wasitiya and other treatise of ibn taymiyah not passages u find online by Sufis barakAllahufeek
They didn’t give ibn Arabi enough daleel making it seem like he was just making things up. The prophet (s) recited lines of quranic verses in a group at the battle of khandaq . There are many more examples of this . Remembrance of God in unison.
Hadith from Sahih Muslim says “Whenever a group of people assemble for the remembrance of Allah, the angels surround them, mercy envelops them, tranquility descends upon them, and Allah makes a mention of them before those who are near Him."
The prophet did not recite poetry. The Quran clears him from being a poet
Ibn Taymiyya's question of Ibn Arabi is like questioning a professor of Medicine or Math or Science or Arabic on their very basics .
@@mz8452no one said anything about The Prophet being a poet but it is well known that he loved poetry.
This is why this video is propaganda and not figuring out.
@@meezanlmt thank you. I have a feeling the whole page is Salafi propaganda
laduni knowledge vs. madrasah knowledge, what's your take?
Ibn Arabi was a scholar and ibn taymiah considered sufi and was listening to the Sufi Qasaaed of Assarsari
And ibn taymiah was barried in tre graveyard that is waqf for sufies only
In my view, Ibn a Tammiyah is ‘latter’ while Ibn a Arabi is ‘spirit’ so both views need to be understood to grasp the concept in totality. Each view sort of serve as a check on other, therefore, I see both of them as converging rather divergent path.
I also agree with both. Both arguments are convincing. Ibn Taymiyyah has a solid point based on The Holy verses that Allah is unique and there is nothing like him.
Ibn Arabi also has a point. More on the spiritual side of things. But I don't think I can agree with some of the practices of some Sufis e.g. dancing.
Plus they were in times of prevention of muslim women from masjids from the back rows of main buildins ...which is a major sin
Interesting. This would have been a good debate (actually, discussion) if it occurred in real life, because BOTH men focused on in the video were legitimate scholars, and they were also ardent admirers of Al-Baz Al-Ash'hab, Sayyidina Al-Sheikh Abdul-Qadir Al-Gilani (Radiyallahu anhu), as can be found in their writings. Knowing this aspect alone, on top of them being of the Ulama, they would have utilized that point of similarity to derive their stances, their points of similarities and points of differences in a scholarly debate.
And Allah Ta'ala knows best.
Ibn arabi is a legend 🙌
A legendary kafir?
Ibn Arabi suffered from a major but unforeseen flaw. He based syncretization of Greek philosophy with Islam on the premise the Greeks achieved their intellectual achievements without guidance from Divine revelation, rather only by their struggle towards excellence.
The Greeks themselves claimed they achieved this without borrowing from other civilizations or from Divine revelation. They claimed Minoan to Mycenean to Hellenic ages.
The reality is quite different from these claims. From Minoan age onwards, Greeks took from Kemetic Egypt. Kemet was by far a major influence. After the collapse of Mycenean Greek societies from the Sea Peoples offensive in approx 1200 bce, Greece suffered a dark age with mass migrations and changes. It is more accepted that Israelite tribe of Dan migrated from the Levant along Anatolian coast to Ionian league of southeast Greece. Israelites and Canaanite/Phoenicians traded with, married, shared, assimilated with Greeks. Such that the Hellenic Greek alphabet was derived from Canaanite/Phoenican alphabet such that Hellenic Greek priests had to travel to Kemet to have Kemetic priests translate Mycenean manuscripts.
Archaeological discoveries have shown Greek enclaves lived in the Levant and Levantines lived in Greece, especially Ionian Greece from 1100bce. Exchanges of civilizations included in religion, language, maritime seamanship, food. The very polytheist mythology of Hellenic Greece was adopted from the Canaanite version of the Mesopotamian polytheist religion and pantheon. (Eg. Zeus = Baal Hadad, Mt Olympus = Jabal Aqra).
These archaeological facts establish the Greek adoption of nearby Levantine civilizations which would have included Israelite and religious teachings of Israelites. As Israelites included many who integrated into polytheist Levantine society after the death of Prophet Solomon in 930 bce, it is reasonable to assume from 930bce to 600 bce, teachings of Israelite prophets and Divine revelation reached Ionia Greece.
I agree with you that Muslim scholars in the past considered Greek philosopher as their spiritual leader but claiming that Ibn Arabi and his philosophy to be flawed is not true. Ibn Arabi provided a unified view of Islam which is based on metaphysics, Ibn Arabi wanted people to understand that God does not have anthropomorphic qualities while Ibn Tamiyyah did believe that Quran describe God literally and not metaphorically. According to Ibn Tamiyyah and later Salafism, God has hands much like humans which contradict Ibn Arabi's understand of a formless God beyond physical world.
Those who dived deep in to the nature of reality from the perspectives of Quran/Sunnah, math, quantum physics, and self discovery ( Fitrah) through intution, deep meditation, etc. clearly know ( different from blind belief) that Ibn Al Arabi was both inclusive and comprehensive in realizing Tawhid. He realized in heart La Ilaha IllallAh.as well as Muhammadur Rasullah. Let us remember that all saints and prophets spent time in solitude in deep mediation/self discovery including our Prophet ( PBUH). Sadly, most scholars were misled by blind knowledge and ego. There is only one Reality that manifests with many shades of color. Find out yourself. Dont believe anything. this is both falsifiable and predictable.
While I appreciated the thought-provoking debate between Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Arabi, I must point out two critical inaccuracies in your portrayal of Ibn Arabi. First, Ibn Arabi never coined or referred to his concept as 'unity of being' (وحدة الوجود); this term was applied to his work much later.
Secondly, the depiction of Ibn Arabi defending سماع (music and dancing) is incorrect. In fact, Ibn Arabi criticized those who engaged in سماع, referring to them as 'the ignorant Sufis' (جهال الصوفية). I
Your work is highly respected but I encourage you to ensure greater accuracy in the future.
Your work is valuable, and with more precision, it can truly shine!
Love the format. Arabi trashed Taymmy, but that every thinking Muslim knew already.
Sufism leads to the door of shirk that lead to hell rather than leading to the door of tawhid that lead to paradise.
@@amrollahmorad759 the most shirk i see today in our ummah, doesn't come from sufi, but from blind followers of hadit, so called salafi, who give legislative power to others than Allah, many of which look up to Ibn Taymmiah for reference.
May Allah guide us all!
@@musamusashi lmao what is the definitions of shirk to you like bruh
@@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn giving legislative power to others than Allah, obey rulers who command what is wrong, loving material wealth above anything, fearing earthly authorities more than we fear Allah... shirk comes in so many form and, today, worshiping idols or alleged deities, is much less common than others, like those example i quoted.
@@musamusashi who gave you that definition bruh + i am not saudi and dont judge me that way. Shirk is comparing someone or something with Allah in simple words polytheism we ask and worship no one other than Allah.
Ibn Arabis position on Unity of Being is much more convincing and correct which reflects the deeper understanding of Tawhid implying that the whole creation is nothing but the effect of the infinite attributes of Allah. They are nothing of themselves .He is rightly called as Sheikhul Akbar
Did Ibn Abbas, Ibn Omar and Ibn Hurairah, the companions of the Prophet Muhammad, agree with you?
The understanding of Islam was complete after the farewell sermon of the Prophet Muhammad.
Putting philosophy ahead of the Prophet Muhammad’s understanding of the Islamic religion is foolishness
Ibn Arabi was declared a kaafir by many legitimate scholars. His idea of pantheism comes from greeks and Hindus. Stop taking knowledge from kuffaar for your religion. Islam is complete it doesn't need philosophy which Abu Hanifa and all the other Imams warned agaisnt severely.
An attempt to understand the words of Ibn arabi is akin to the one trying to catch a smoke. Allah wouldn't leave an area that is that important as an esoteric thing. Such an aspect of the deen as Allah has willed has been made very easy and straightforward to understand so that it will be accessible to all.
Ibn Arabi was also a scholar. He was the chief judge of Cordoba. Ibn Taymiyyah was an anthropomorphist innovator. He descended from the stairs of minbar and said this is how Allah descends.
The understanding of Ibn Taymiyya, in my opinion, is very straightforward and strict. He allows no room for any kind of innovation or change that could occur with the ideas presented by Ibn Arabi. The philosophy presented by Ibn Arabi is merely experiences that he had when practicing a new type of zikr in multiple ways. Perhaps he got closer to Allah, but this is not guaranteed for any common Muslim. Following a straightforward approach towards Islam is more sensible and approachable for new and common Muslims who do not have a clear understanding of tawheed.
My perspective does not fully align with Ibn Taymiyya. I believe we should have a clear understanding of the core principles of Islam, and then focus on what Prophet Muhammad SAW taught us. We should identify things in our lives and in the world that go against the teachings of our beloved Prophet (SAW) and have debates on them, rather than writing book after book on the philosophy of Islam in our own ways. This is also dangerous, as you might unknowingly cross the line.
I think i agree with u in a way, as a non muslim. The straight forward way is more suitable for beginners and in certain survival/societal contexts. But the perspective of ibn El arabi is more advanced in my view. It's suitable for the real truth seekers. Ibn taymiyya is just concerned about believing and following islam as he understood it, which has its own value in its proper context (like in a context of danger and instability, it creates smth to hold onto and solidly unify a people). But the mystics like El arabi are the ones who go inquire into the nature of reality themselves and verify the truth in islam for themselves (although they most prolly still have their own islamic bias too)
The issue with your statements is your concern with your own thoughts and perspectives. Islam does not care about anyone’s thoughts or perspectives. It is straight forward - follow the Quran and Sunnah exactly the way the companions of Prophet ﷺ understood it. As for coming up with your own spiritual methods, then all of this is heresy that will land one in the Fire. Please, do not become amazed by your own interpretations or thoughts. Islam is a clear methodology!
@@CamouflageMaster yes you get it right, but the problem is who will tell the deeper meanings that al arabi is trying to explore?
Everyone uses his own philosophy and comes up with strange "Deeper meanings", how will you validate if what arabi says is correct?
@@iymuslim idk if this comment was pointed to me or the OP but anyways it definitively does not seem so straight forward and clear as u make it seem to be. Bc why are there all of these sects and interpretations of islam, all these discussions?
To follow islam as the prophet and companions understood it, u still have to interpret. There's no way around it. Atleast that's how it looks like for me.
@@aaquib2010 wait, wdym? This is another question I guess. I wasn't saying muslims should follow or verify ibn El arabi, but i guess they could by trying enough of the spiritual practices that heighten the chance of discovering the truth for yourself. In buddhism it is meditation for example. Idk what methods ibn El arabi used but it all leads to the same truth
Ibn Arabi W
Ibn Arabi is incorrect in that the chapter which suffices for one third of the Quran says there is none comparable unto Him. Surah Ikhlas
This is old nationalist and I am this Judge and I have the Rights all time all Life, magic battle out.
ibn taymiyyah said that Allah subhanuwataala has body (material) maazallah astagfirulla
you can understand with this one word who is on the right path
Sufi thoughts should be practiced alone only not with other people. This will avoid misleading
They shouldn't be practised period
Run away from innovation and follow the Messenger SAWS exactly
The owner of this channel and the ignorant keyboard warriors in the comments section should fear Allah and learn to go back to the scholars and seek knowledge through them. Ibn Arabi was an extreme sufi and a kafir. Here's a glimpse of what some scholars mention about him:
Ibn Hajar said:
Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir.
(Aqeedah Ibn ‘Arabi wa Hayaatuhu by Taqiy al-Deen al-Faasi, p. 39)
Abu Zar’ah ibn al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi said:
Undoubtedly the famous book Al-Fusoos contains blatant kufr, as does al-Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah. If it is true that he wrote this and continued to believe in it until he died, then he is a kaafir who is doomed to eternity in Hell, no doubt about it.
(Ibid., p. 60)
Sheikh Al Islam:
Whoever thinks well of them and claims not to know how they really are should be informed about them. If he does not then turn his back on them and denounce them, then he should be classed as one of them.
Whoever says that their words could be interpreted in such a way that it does not contradict sharee’ah is one of their leaders and imaams. If he is intelligent, he should know what they really are. But if he believes in it and behaves like this openly and in secret, then he is a worse kaafir than the Christians.
(Ibid., p. 25-28 - adapted and abbreviated)
What AI software you use to generate images?
Not all three books attributed to sh. Ibn Taymiyyan are his.😂
These videos should be of higher quality and most preferable use their own words with reference.
Ibn Taymiah was Bidaa person and when he met the ulama he crumbled and they have exposed his fallacies in Aqidah and fiqh
اللهم صل وسلم على سيدنا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم
Ibn Tayamih like Moses is right in his understanding and we as muslims should strictly follow his way...but Ibn Arabi is like that 'man of knowledge' moses met when the fish found its way to the water, when moses felt he is the only one with knowledge and God sent him to look fo that 'man of knowledge'!!!
excellent
Ibn taymiyyah was not a kafir but a pervent for sure
Ibn Taymiyyah assertions are mostly based on fear; asking, what if, kind of rhetorical questions instead of giving 'practical and present' examples, like Sheikh Al Akber.
IBN ARABI MASHALLAH TAKBIR! UNITY OF BEING. I AM NOTHING. LA ILAHA ILLALLAH ASHADUANA MUHAMMADUN RASULULLAH THERE IS NOTHING BUT ALLAH AND nur MUHAMMAD peace be upon him IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH
99 names of ALLAH. ALL OF THE CREATIONS HAVE AN ABILITY TO HAVE ATTRIBUTES OF ONE OR MORE OF ALLAH'S ATTRIBUTES. YET WE ARE NOTHING IN THE FACE OF ALLAH
Ibn Arabi is ocean
A heretic rather
No@@Speedyvampir2
6:18 if that is a concern then you don't need Sufism to realize it, just radical Islam (ISIS and Taliban) their strict adherence destroys Islam. So what is true for one, is true for the other.
Humility over pride and cleverness
Ibn arabi ❤
A heretic
I think we all know today who won that debate and took control over Islam…sadly
Understanding the essence of Allah by personal thinking without the aid of Qur'an and Sunnah, will lead to astray. You'll be mislead by clever whispering of satan. You confidently think you did correctly but, in reality you deviated from the right path. The Muslim must always rely on the Qur'an and Sunnah through the understanding and explanations of the companions and their immediate successors or else we will be lose and lost from the true guidance of Islam.
jezakumullah...
So living a religious life we also still need a cultural life because cultures provides what is different to life than what religion provides. Culture is the difference between coastal people and mountain people. Coastal people eat more fish and mountain people eat more cattle’s than sea food. Religion informs of the truth of world and guides belief. The home built in the dessert is known as a Mesa which a home built in forests is built from wood and thatch. Should the one who builds mesas tell the one who lives in forest that Mesas are the only right way to build a home?
I'm not a robot...
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The real question to ibn teymiyyah should have been how dare you describe ALLAH'S istiwa as ur sitting on the minbar
Go and read the work of the early scholars, ibn taymiah was only quoting from the pious predecessors. Some of the pious predecessors translate itiwa as sitting. Whether that is correct or not is another debate of his own.
Ibn taymiahs methodology is base on Quran and Sunnah and the understanding of pious predecessors, he might get things wrong however that doesn't mean his methodology is wrong.
This is not what he said. But a guy said it and His name is " الرحالة ابن بطوطة"
The guy who said that was lying and at that time "ibn taymiyah" was in prison and died in prison. If you follow the story and exact timing, u will find that he lied!
They used to fabricate against Taymiyah so they jail him. He was jailed 6 or 7 times Because he was against bida'ah
Stop the cap! i challenge u to bring me this from his books. Open challenege!
This is just too much lies, too much missinformation about the man.
Plus, it's not about Istiwaa but About the Hadith Of rassul Allah
أخرج البخاري في صحيحه (1145) ومسلم (1261) عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه ، أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: " ينزل رَبُّنَا تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى كُلَّ لَيْلَةٍ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ الدُّنْيَا حِينَ يَبْقَى ثُلُثُ اللَّيْلِ الآخِرُ يَقُولُ : مَنْ يَدْعُونِي فَأَسْتَجِيبَ لَهُ مَنْ يَسْأَلُنِي فَأُعْطِيَهُ مَنْ يَسْتَغْفِرُنِي فَأَغْفِرَ لَهُ" .
وقد روى هذا الحديث عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم نحوٌ من ثمانية وعشرين صحابياً ـ رضي الله عنهم
We do not know how, Rassul Allah said it. We believe it! Period
Allah's istiwa'a or Hearing, seeing ..etc is nothing similar to ours. That's what salaf believed and that's what ibn taymiyah believe and defended against Philosophers of Ilm al kalam
who interpret The sifat and names according to plato logic.
We can not understand the unseen, we say what Allah and his prophet said
About istiwa'a take this.
Therefore, when Imam Malik bin Anas, may Allah have mercy on him, was asked about the Almighty’s saying: [The Most Gracious is established above the Throne] (Ta-Ha: 5). He said: Istiwaa is known, the how is unknown, belief in it is obligatory, and asking about it is an innovation. So his answer indicated three things, which are: The first: proving the attributes without interpretation. Second: Delegation of how. Third: is avoiding talking about the unseen.
2/529 الاستذكار
IBN ARABI (RH) FOR THE WIN!
Hands down Ibn Arabi wins! Ibn Tayimiyyah's concerns are valid but Ibn Arabi rests assured Ibn Tayimiyyah! Ibn Taymiyyah advocates for a static world which is not possible. Ibn Arabi does seek to change shariah NOR does he ENDORSE/Advocate bid'ah. Rather Ibn Arabi allows culture to flourish and develop in accordance to Quran and Sunnah!
Only when caricature's replace Ibn taymiah