Voldemort is a villain really only seen in stories; terrifying, but always conquered by Good. Umbridge is the evil we see everyday; an online bully, a manager at work, a vindictive ex-friend. People who camouflage themselves in good deeds and use the very rules to stop them to harm others. We fear people like Umbridge more because they say, "Nothing you do matters. You are worthless. I will ALWAYS win in the end." And unfortunately, they do.
If you asked Voldemort why he commits his atrocities, his answer would be "So that I will rule." There is logic behind his actions and he has a definitive end goal. He openly flaunts what he is, a Dark Lord and a Conqueror, and doesn't pretend to be anything else. If you asked Umbridge the same question, her answer would just be "Why not?". She has no lofty end goals or reason for her cruelty. She does it for the fun of it, and because she knows she can get away with it. She conducts all her evil behind closed doors with frightened children, and she pretends to be a Saint to the rest of the world.
LAWFUL EVIL - Umbridge was my ex-boss and workplace pressured me out and made me quit in the most legal and lawful way possible... since they couldn't find a real reason to fire me.
Nah, she wasn't. That was even discussed between Sirius, Harry, Ron and Hermione. Umbridge is important to the characters growth in showing that the world isn't black and white. Through her they learn that there are plenty of horrible people who don't identify as Death Eaters, and who happily work within the law (when it suits them, Dolores) to harm and oppress other people.
I’d argue it’s because she actually did something to the protagonist. Umbridge was just a better villain. This problem shows itself fairly often when people design a villain based on ‘some angry failed artist’ (assuming you know who I’m referring too, not naming as apparently RUclips search’s comments now as well and don’t want to cause problems). Honestly, it’s difficult to truly hate Voldemort as he himself doesn’t really do anything. The worst thing he does is kill Cedric (not counting parent dead as Harry was an infant and as such cannot remember it) where as Umbridge violated multiple human rights of Harry’s and we experience her blatant targeting along side Harry. Bellatrix is hated more than Voldemort because she killed Sirius a character that Harry was close to and we as a reader got attached to as well. While my opinion on who is more evil shall remain my own and for my own reasons. I’d say people are justified in disliking Umbridge more because Harry doesn’t truly have anything against Voldemort. I’d suggest Uniquenameasaures’ video on the matter as that is what I’m writing here (more or less. He defiantly does a better job explaining it though).
What if Percy was sorted into slytherin What if ron died in 6th year What if harry was a squib What if cedric took the cup What if Hermione was killed by the troll What if remus wasn't a werewolf
What if Mr. Weasley had died to the snake bite? What if the Dursleys had listened to Dumbledore and raised Harry properly? What if Hermione had been in Ravenclaw and Ron in Hufflepuff? What if Voldemort hadn't killed Lily? What if Harry had stayed dead? What if Snape had survived?
Tom Riddle had a choice still though. Just because Tom Riddle has disabilities related to love, doesn’t mean he has to be sadistic and enjoy killing people. Lack of love doesn’t mean that he HAD to kill and torture people
@@leonperkins6476 that what exactly lack of empathy and love does to a person. It does not matter to him a person lives or die. He could have spared Cedric by whipping his memories off but he ordered wormtail to kill him instead.
@@leonperkins6476 why would you not enjoy it? You can't know that it's wrong without empathy. Voldemort didn't need to torture and kill, but unlike Umbridge he was not able to really know that it was wrong.
Just because it's not easy for him to love doesn't mean he has to go and kill many innocent people and get enjoyment from it yes Umbridge is evil buy not compared to voldemort
umbridge is more evil just doesn't have enough power. Voldermort's that way cause of his circumstances, lack of empathy leads to voldermort thinking what he does is fine because he can't sympathize with others. Umbridge did all she did purposely just for the sake of her own career.
I think Umbridge is more disliked than Voldemort because we all know an Umbridge in are lives. That one teacher that makes your life a misery at school. Nobody knows a Dark Lord in their lives so you can love them or like them. But something everyone can relate on is a teacher at school who they just hate so much. The one who doesn't let you speak your mind, constantly punishes you and prefers other students over you. As for the Dark Lord he's the stereotypical baddie, he has motive too. But you see why he is doing what he does.
I got along with all of my K thru 12 teachers but then again, I was never known to cause trouble and made friends more easily with adults. Then again, my eighth grade math teacher was rather difficult, but that could be attributed to her being pregnant throughout the year.
I hated my maths teacher in primary school. She used to slam a ruler down on the desk and scream in my face but I know what Hitler did in the holocaust was worse. There’s no comparison.
Hannah Brennan So you think that Voldemort killing and torturing more people than Umbridge isn’t as bad because he had the purpose of conquering and controlling the wizarding world for his own benefit?
Hannah Brennan this point is getting so old. Voldemort is the main villain while umbridge was literally written to be hated. She’s more hated, not more evil. Killing thousands of innocent people for your own selfish reason of conquering the world is not “better” than umbridge.
I think Umbridge is worse. Umbridge had a choice while Voldemort did not. He was born with no love and did not know it. His hate goes all the way before birth.
@@sushigoose_ Actually, if his mother were alive, Tom would still have known love. However, since Tom Sr never loved Merope then he wouldn't have affection for his son. Yes, Merope broke the effect of the love potion and little Tom just had a series of bad luck growing up.Then, again, if little Tom had grown up within a loving family would the storyline be as effective? That is not to say that all children never having known love from parents or others cannot be good and loving people, rather, some just fall through the cracks while others rise above their miserable circumstances.
Easily Voldemort. If you think that any of Umbridge’s actions are as evil as being willing to kill a baby in cold-blood, then you’re pretty damn sick. It's just that Umbridge is a more realistic evil than Voldemort. How many of us meet geniocidal dictators hellbent on world domination on a daily basis? Not too many. But people like Umbridge are very easy to meet on a daily basis and can very easily be a huge load of trouble for you. For most of us, Umbridge is more visceral because we have all dealt with someone who is like her or can imagine ourselves dealing with someone who is like her. Voldemort not so much. It creates more distance and makes the emotional reaction not as strong.
Don't know why that is even discussed in the comments. Voldemort is on a whole different level when it comes to being evil. Even Dumbledore stated that he "went beyond normal evil" in the extent of his crimes. He was a prolific killer, killing so many he created an army of Inferi. Not to forget the first and second wizarding war which he started.
The real answer is very simple very few of us have ever experienced a truly evil Tyrant specifically seeking to kill us. Dolores Umbridge is every bully, is every nasty teacher, is every boss who never appreciated you and uses you to further their own career while giving you no credit. She is a relatable evil that virtually every human being alive has experience in one form or another. And I think for a lot of fans that say that Umbridge is worse. what they're really saying (though most don't realize it) is "someone like that has hurt me before" and so it draws out a more visceral reaction. Because the source of their IRL pain and anger is personified by the character. However getting back to the in Cannon reasons. The movie portrayal also adds something that I'm really not sure is in the books; because I've never owned a copy of the particular book in which this scene happens but as head of the muggleborn registration Commission Umbridge is wearing Slytherin's locket while producing a Petronus, that she pets while terrorizing muggle-born Wizards and witches. It's well-established in the Harry Potter universe that projecting a corporeal Patronus is both somewhat difficult and requires a lot of concentration and a happy thought. This depiction in the movie to me means, that sitting there in power over this awful Commission is itself Dolores Umbridge's happiest thought. The Shear Delight she takes in doing evil it's only enhanced by Salazar Slytherin locket and the horcrux within it. We see later on what wearing this very same locket does to Ron Weasley. Yet there's is Dolores Umbridge sitting there gleefully projecting her Patronus absolutely delighted with herself wearing this horrible evil object and it's only making the moment better for her..... That is sick and twisted.
I love how you explain things, you always try to understand both sides and clarify that you’re not jumping to conclusions and misunderstanding things. It shows you’re a really good thinker and your presentation itself is so satisfying
Unbridge is filled with evil but Voldemort is the embodiment of it. Keep in mind he intended to kill a baby with zero remorse with possibility of taking pride in it if he succeeded. Because in his narcissistic mind he evaded death and defied fate taking out someone destined to be his rival Unbridge is less popular However because she is written to be hated. She has the annoying characteristics of that one person in the room that gives you bad vibes along with being a terrible person. Voldemort is a better character even though he is more evil because he has that powerful presence and is the main focus of the series while umbridge Came halfway into the books and was just unlikeable. Voldemort has what people call the devils charm as Tom Riddle and a cult like charisma when he became Voldemort having massive followers
While I don’t entirely disagree with your argument (there a a few points I’d argue but I’d be nitpicking something I don’t really disagree with), I do have to disagree on the final paragraph. Umbridge is simultaneously the better character and the better villain. Hence why people actually dislike her. I’ll be honest, I never truly cared one way or another about Voldemort. That’s not a good thing. Your villain show make your audience feel something and when it comes to Voldemort most people that I know are indifferent. That’s not a good villain.
@@cratwinterz200 I see what you mean. We're supposed to hate the villian. Technically Voldemort is the greatest villain with what he has done yet he is more interesting to watch. However, Umbridge makes my skin crawl looking at her and annoyed so I guess she is doing what a villains is supposed to do. Hmm...I don't know. I love Voldemort as the villain and his character yet I hate Umbridge so I'm not sure. I think you can be a great villian and be liked by the viewers/readers at the same time. Maybe its just a matter of what your perspective is of a good villain. However, what you're saying does make sense
Ascension trust me, coming from comics I know exactly what you mean. I mean we can both agree the joker is an amazing villain. But it’s mainly how the villain is designed that causes this whole debate. Voldemort is by far more powerful and influential. By defeating him Harry become a war hero. But what has Voldemort really done to our protagonist personally? Umbridge tortured him and turned the wizarding world against him (at least in his view she was a large part). Belatrix killed his godfather. Voldemort killed some school kid? I believe that Voldemort could have been such a better villain if he did something to personally effect Harry. Uniquenameasaures made a video on the topic and presented a scenario in which Voldemort broke Hermione. The reaction was instantly that version of Voldemort became the most hated character. It honestly wasn’t ever all that big of a change from what actually happened either. I’m not trying to argue with you as at the end of the day your opinion is yours. I’m just trying to lay out why this debate is even exists. This is also why I really can’t bring myself to care. Honestly, Voldemort could’ve been locked in jail and I’d wouldn’t have made a difference to me. Irrelevant side note. This whole discussion made me curious on who was worse in the eyes of the law, it’s Umbridge and it’s not even close. Voldemort has two murders and possibly a few war crimes, Umbridge violates the basic human rights of every student in Hogwarts with some of her decrees, nevermind the torture of minors, cruel and unusual punishment, or discrimination (as according to wizarding laws half-breeds are still classified as humans in the eyes of the law.)
Imelda Staunton completely nailed the character we all know and hate but apparently she has a heart of gold in real life according to a lot of journalists
I have a Christian Aunt who has a little bit Dolores in her. As a kid we were scared of her because she was know for hitting with the bible. And she had that sugar-coated evil smile too.
MedusaMoon Lace that’s just 😞 it shouldn’t be. I hope you find truth because this isn’t the truth unfortunately. A lot of people abuse the faith unfortunately so you have to be vigilant, the enemy is very deceiving. Much love! 🙏✨
Clearly unbridge is the worse won 1. Unbridge likes to see people suffer , sadistic women 2. Tom respectes other people he only kills them when they don't agree with him and I don't think he makes others suffer just for fun
@@LordOfDragons4122 Well that was harry because of whom he died of course he'll be angry at him rest I didn't see him torture any other innocent person who is not linked to story
@@jasongabe5678 you got to remember that the only reason why he would go after Harry was because of what The seer that worked at Hogwarts had prophesized saying that there would be a kid at the end of July who would overthrow him and he immediately thought it was Harry. But also of course he wouldn't be able to torture innocent people at Hogwarts with the cruciatus curse because Harry did the same thing that his mother did and sacrificed himself in order to protect all of his friends which ironically it worked because all of the spells weren't connecting to any of the students that were fighting.
Voldemort being sadistic is one of his main personality traits. It’s not even up for debate. It was literally said in the books that he enjoyed torturing people. That was said by J.K Rowling in the books
1. Is literally Voldemort just way worse than Umbridge. 2. He respects people as long they agree with him otherwise the one gets tortured or killed. Umbridge tolerates people as long they agree on her view and life by her rules (if some are established) otherwise you know what happens. Both of these points are getting exceeded by Voldemort by a mile.
Well, the way I see it... Voldemort does Evil stuff to accomplish his Purpose, and he doesn't give a shit about it, doesn't lose sleep over it, but he doesn't particularly enjoy the "evil itself" , he just does it and feels nothing, no remorse He does have sadistic qualities, but usually only targeted towards his foes and traitors Umbridge's purpose " is " Evil She's a sadist, a cruel paper pusher, but in the same order as Grey back and Bellatrix So, in my opinion, Voldemort *does* more Evil But Umbridge *is* more Evil
What about laughing over Harry death in the deathly hallows? That’s an emotion over over something evil. With that point alone. Your whole argument drops
@@georgeskate78 No it doesn't! Laughing over Harry's Death? Oh God! That is NOT canon and you clearly don't understand what He/she means. Umbridge does what she does for the sake of evil. And for Voldemort he clearly see's it as an obstacle for his ultimate goal. Umbridge ultimate goal is to simple cause evil and Voldemort's is to change the wizarding world "for the better" in his eyes.
@@parthvisharma5866 I suppose if we are going of the books alone then yeah maybe I don’t remember but in the films he does more than worse. The point is everybody has a motive. Even evil characters. Nobody is evil for fun. That’s poor writing. Bellatrix was passionate about being a death eater and wanted to impress her master (Voldemort). Umbridge’s main line is ‘I will have order.” She tortured people for control not fun. Same thing with Voldemort did but he took his to a different level and thought of an even bigger picture when it came to inflicting pain. Meaning Umbridge had the same motivations as Voldemort but they were less extreme. Less extreme by the fact that yes of course torturing and hurting people is wrong but is not worse then killing and taking someone’s life away. Meaning there are a countless death eaters that are worse than her. Barry crouch as just one example. He killed his own father without remorse and yet somewhere Umbridge is more evil?
Voldemort is the "Fantasy" villain: the one that can only be in a Fantasy novel/world. Dolores Umbridge could be our neighbor--or horror of horrors, a teacher. Voldemort is pure evil...Dolores Umbridge is real.
I have read a theory, it said that Umbridge is more evil than Voldemort because while using the Cruciatus curse she could produce a Patronus. While doing the most evilest act she felt happy enough to produce a full corporal and powerful patronus. Whereas none of the death eaters or Voldemort could.
Umbridge: *straight away tortures Harry with the blood-quill detention Voldermort: *could have use avada kedavra on wandless Harry in goblet of fire, but he instead said "Pick up your wand Potter!"
Voldemort is a psychopathic due to being conceived under the influence of a love potion so because he’s incapable of feeling love or form of emotional attachment, it’s not so much his fault he is what he is. However, Umbridge is what I would consider true evil for she is all about her own power and isn’t ashamed to hurt/kill anyone who gets in her way.
People seem to get the term "more evil" mixed up: Umbridge bullied people for no literal reason and was just plain hateable. But in terms of evil, she has absolutely nothing on Voldemort, compare making students bleed a bit and being a sinister b**** to slaughtering innocents for their blood status and attempting to take over the entire Wizarding government. So overall, Umbridge is more hateable but Voldemort is undoubtedly more evil.
Well using logic. I hate Voldemort more because he was hateable through the more people he killed. I hate Bellatrix more than Umbridge because she actually killed someone. More of an evil act in my mind
Umbridge by far is the most hatable character in the entire series but as for most evil that would have to be Voldemort. After all Umbridge didn't become a dictator and have a massive following like Voldemort did.
Unbridge is worse cuz she choose to prey on the innocent n defenseless 😑 Dont forget Voldemort lack emotion due to the luv potion so u can say it's not entirely his faults plus he was neglected. Voldemort was born a monster while Unbridge chose to become a monster is how I see it 😧
Then you would be wrong. There’s no opinionated answer here. A guy who’s slaughter millions is worse than someone who’s abused people. Opinions don’t fit into this. It’s just pure morals on what’s worse
Certainly NOT the best pianist, but still Not at all. It is the opposite, Voldemort is the embodiment of evil he killed without remorse and tortured people for fun. Unbridgeable tortured but never killed, she is just annoying.
@@georgeskate78 not necessarily you can see that umbridge is kore hateable than voldemort all the way. Since umbridge did annoying things than Voldemort.
@@thezord6686 But I don’t though. I think Voldemort is worse. It’s saying saying who’s worse. Nero or your abusive history teacher. It’s not even on the same table
Both of them may be after power, but Voldemort had a goal that he honestly thought was right. I guess the same could be said of Umbridge, though honestly she just seemed sadistic for its own sake. After all, by book seven she’s working for Voldemort without even knowing it; I doubt she would care that much either, so long as she could keep being horrible to all those she considered “unworthy”. Also micro-managers get under my skin like nothing else so that doesn’t increase her standing with me either.😂
Keep in mind that as head of the Muggleborn Registration Commission that she weilded so much authority that she could put people on trial just for who they were born as. She stripped people of their wands and their right to use magic, tortured muggleborns, and sent them to prison. I'm not sure if any of those charged with "magical theft" would have been executed, but when you read about the trials in book 7 there is part of me that feels like that maybe some people were wrongfully executed, or maybe died during torture, particularly the more combative of her victims. Now I can't see her being the one to actually murder someone and get her hands dirty like that so to speak but she could definitely order someone to do it for her. So to me, yeah, it's hard to really say who is the worst or best villain of the series. Voldy never made what he did a secret. He never tried to claim to be good or righteous...he was always pretty open about his dark tendencies as a kid and later as an adult never really hid that he was a dark wizard. Umbridge was that evil who hid in plain sight. A more relatable and realistic evil than Voldemort, but evil no less.
Remember when Voldemort gave Harry the lightning bolt shaped scar on his forehead on Halloween 1981? That was CHILD'S PLAY compared to what Umbridge did because when Harry wrote "I must not tell lies" that was like several of those scars on his head going directly into his hand at once.
I see your view Dean. And to a point, I agree with it. However, I also disagree with it. Here's my personal view. Action wise: Voldemort is DEFINITELY far, far, FAAAR more evil than Umbridge is. There is no doubt about that. Actions he's taken throughout his life, MANY, MANY of them, were far worse than any Umbridge has EVER taken. So action wise, Voldemort is by far the more evil one. Motivation/reason wise: Umbridge is far more evil. Voldemort does his actions because they're toward a goal he believes in. Truly believes in. Even if it is a goal opposed by the majority of the world and us as readers. However, Umbridge on the other hand, has no viable reason. Whereas Voldemort's reason is a goal he believes in, a path he believes should be, whether for vengeance against his parents for the way he was born, not having a pair of truly loving, caring parents, born from false love, whatever, or because of some twisted view about the thing he's trying to obtain being best for the wizarding world, or whatever his reasons or motivations or beliefs there are as to why he does what he does, Umbridge just flat out THINKS it's the right think to do based on what she wants to feel. She has no truly acceptable drive or reason, other than just to do it for the sake of doing it because it makes her "feel good". Personal feeling is not a good reason to do anything she does. And it's not a true conviction, just another every day heinous act. Therefore, she herself, on a motivation/reason level, is far more evil than Voldemort. In my personal opinion, they're both EQUALLY as evil, just in their own separate ways. :P
Umbridge: You applied first to the Defense Against the Dark Arts post, is that correct? Riddle/Voldemort: Yes. Umbridge: But you were unsuccessful? Riddle/Voldemort: Obviously.
My option is umbridge, because with voldemort you atleast know what your going to get (a former hansome, charming, clever boy that wanted to change the ministry; but he lost sight of it with all the horcruxx's he made and become a unfeeling ambitious murder). With umbridge she is condescending to everyone and she wants power in the ministry, but she goes about it by tricking everyone (except maybe cornilious) and putting on different masks to get what she wants) if im wrong about umbrudge im sorry, i don't know her that well. Can you do a theory about who the founders put in power as the first headmaster? We know godrics hat sorted the students but i don't think the hat could've taught over a dozen students (i guessing over a dozen) Also please ask rowling what is up with the Prince family that snapes from? We barely know anything and i think the surname 'prince' has more meaning. I mean why use prince out of all the words in the world? Could the family have sided with william the conquer and william given them the name as thanks for the help? Was the family a branch family of a far more powerful family? We dont know much, if anything, and id like more info
I think you sort of touched on it - Voldemort is evil but he's not dishonest, what you see is what you get. Umbridge is a liar & an abuser of official authority - she pretends to be something she's not, and that's what really gets under people's skin. She's not more evil, but she's a hell of a lot more unlikeable.
I compare Voldemort to Adolf Hitler and Umbridge to a Nazi. Umbridge was probably a secret Death Eater except kept that under wraps to be used in the future when Voldemort came into power again. She ultimately used her nastiness briefly until Voldemort was finally defeated and she, presumably, ended up permanently in Azkaban.
We don't usually meet "Voldemorts" in our real life. But many of us may experience an "Umbridge' or two. It is that relatability that gives us that visceral reaction. The memory of the cruel teacher, a narcissist parent, a manager who ruled by favoritism and intimidation, we know that person.
both are pretty evil, but i believe it was umbridge. the dark lord was born from a love potion, so he doesn’t know what love is, that’s why he ended up evil. while on the other hand umbridge actually had family, understands love. i actually feel for tom bc it’s not his fault he turned evil, he didn’t have a choice. while umbridge decided that she should pain people. voldemort showed a little caring to his allies (mostly his inner circle of death eaters) while umbridge didn’t even care, it seemed like she was only siding with her ministry because she wanted power ig
Good point and remember voldemort was willing to spare Lily a "mudblood" because snape asked him to, I don't think Umbridge in that situation would have been willing to do that.
Interesting theory. In real life I can imagine students murdering her. That could be how she dies. A Scectumsempra and leaving her to bleed out would do it. Snape would panic. I'm surprised she wasn't guarded by Aurors. Maybe they'd do her in? She's so bad I'd consider appealing to the Muggle Prime Minister and having him make Fudge get rid of her.
4:05 But Umbridge works with Filch who's a Squib so how does that make sense? Like you just said Umbridge hates Muggle-borns and Squibs but Filch is a Squib.( Or maybe she just made an exception for Filch OR she doesn't know he's a Squib)
Well there are different kinds of Sociopathic tendencies. Voldemort was more of a histrionic narcissistic kind, Umbridge is more of a sadist not necessarily histrionic. I don’t think one is worse than the other simply their motives and overall damage is different. I find the Umbridge kind more damaging because it goes unnoticed.
Umbridge is more evil because she deliberately loves to torture and punish people same for stronger hatred of "half-breeds", and she hates on hogwarts. Voldemort/Tom Riddle he generally just kills and is at least willing to work with some "half-breeds", also he actually cared about hogwarts, me I always felt sorry for voldemort since the 6th book. Also felt sorry for snape since the 1st book.
I genuinely hate Umbridge more than Voldemort because of these reasons: 1. Trying (and failed) to get Harry expelled from Hogwarts for speaking the truth about Voldemort’s return and giving him multiple detentions. 2. Her hatred towards half-breeds. 3. Taking away student rights against their will. 4. Her crimes against Muggle-borns.
Good idea! I'd vote Voldemort 100% evil and Grindewald 0% evil, though. Voldemort killed neutrals, he was bigoted, he cared only for himself, he never knew love, and he enjoyed torturing/killing others. Grindewald spared neutrals, he only wanted freedom, he wasn't a megalomaniac or narcissist, he was fully capable of genuine love, and he didn't enjoy killing even when he had to.
I strongly agree with your point of view! Video suggestions: --What if Bellatrix Lestrange Survived? --What if Voldemort killed Harry in the graveyard Pt. 2 --What if Grindelwald escaped in Book 6 --If gay rights were a widespread debate in the Wizarding World, who would support them most: Grindelwald's Army, the Death Eaters, or the general population? --Who was the most evil Death Eater: Bellatrix Lestrange, Wormtail, Rodolphus Lestrange, Dolohov, Lucius Malfoy, or Crouch?
If you had asked me who was more evil before watching this l would have said Voldermort. But after closer examinasion l see that Umbrige is the true vilian. If she had as much power as Voldermort, and if she did't care about her job in the misitery, she wouldn't have hestanted to do much worse than Voldermort. But that's all my opinion.
The main kicker of this is what we see in HBP... She has a patronus next to her, while shes sentencing innocent people to death... She gets pure joy from torturing people to immeasurable suffering...
I believe the onscreen version of Umbridge made me vehemently hate her more than the book version. I truly believe that she is way more evil than Voldemort
Plus I feel like the amount of people Voldemort kills kind of over pushes the scales further than “Well he had an abusive family to begin with. So it was alright.”
I’m going to counter, and not one I see often. Voldemort has a reason to kill. Before you berate me, hear me out. He was fighting a war. If we operate solely off of crimes Umbridge is actually worse. You do have to remember that Voldemort’s entire thing was the Wizarding War, Umbridge just violated the basic human rights of her students. I’ll be honest. I hate Umbridge a lot more that Voldemort. However I don’t necessary believe you can truly claim one to be ‘more evil’ than the other. Nevertheless I’ll try. Evil, by definition is profoundly immoral and wicked. Is Voldemort immoral, yes he wished for muggles to be ruled by wizards and he sought Immortality with complete disregard of human life. Is he wicked, well yes the guy killed many even if his reasoning for most deaths was justified. As for Umbridge she is known to believe the same as Voldemort but also added in all non-fully human beings. She tortured students for no real reason. Truly they’re both terrible. One last note. I don’t believe that Voldemort’s psychopathy can be a point to either side. The claims of he would kill a child and he couldn’t feel love are both very bad reasoning. As a psychopath he doesn’t assign value to life, regardless of age, but that doesn’t excuse him of his actions either. Also while we know indeed he killed more than Umbridge did, I’d argue that we cannot say the same for torture.
I don’t think Voldemort believed he was benefiting the Wizarding world. That would have required him to spend even a second considering the impact of his actions on other people.
what if sirius killed wormtail what if harry potter was a death eater what if ron was in slytherin what if bellatrix killed ginny what if percy was a death eater what if lilly married snape what if moaning mytre survived
Well, you made excellent points in this video, in my opinion. Just the fact that an answer is hard to find makes this topic even more interesting to me. I have no clear answer myself. On the one hand Umbridge did have a choice to do the things different that she did, but on the other hand Voldemort wasn't even conceived with love. That begs the question if he did have a choice for his actions in the first place. But both seem to be full aware of what they were doing. In both cases I give neither of them my sympathy, but just that most Potterheads find Umbridge more evil is I think because more people nowadays can relate to a teacher they despise than having to live under the constant fear of being ruled by a dictator, which is how I see Voldemort.
She clearly was in the final book. It's unknown if she ever actually took the Dark Mark (Fenrir Greyback, Scabior, and Narcissa Malfoy didn't), but considering her high rank in the Voldemort-controlled Ministry, the fact that many British wizards wear long sleeves (which would hide Dark Marks that aren't deliberately shown), and the fact that Wormtail and even Draco got the Dark Mark, I find it likely.
Umbridge is a much more detailed character than Voldemort. For the most part, we're just told how evil Voldemort is, and all we see of his evil is just him saying "avada kedavra" and "crucio" a lot. In contrast, with Umbridge, we're shown how evil she is with a fairly detailed and accurate description of how a predatory psychopath acts. She does a lot more than just use the naughty spells, we see her sadism, her pleasure at abusing her position of power to harm others, and her need for control.
Umbridge and Voldemort are both evil. I watch top 10 Harry Potter scary dark theories one was about Umbridge was taken by The Centaurs they had their way with her.
Royal The Wizard...I was generally speaking about Umbridge's outcome. Was she killed at some point or went to a life of torment in Azkaban for her actions at Hogwarts?
The difference is that Umbridge represents the banal kind of evil that many people encounter in their lives and can relate to...Voldemort is a cartoon supervillain...its much easier to hate that which you can actually can understand...sure people loathe Voldemort...but his evil and its sources are much more of an abstraction...and at a remove from what people encounter in the real world...
Because umbridge doesn't remotely have the same power and freedom as Voldy Think of it like this If umbridge had as much power as Voldemort and as little social inhibition Who would you rather meet in a dark alley I mean, even with Lord Voldemort, your chances are slim But if you were a wizard and haven't been openly Anti-Voldemort and managed to sweet talk him, he might, Might spare you Even if he doesn't, you can beg him to make it quick And he'll probably oblige That's because Lord Voldemort does evil as a result of his actions He doesn't usually do Evil for its sake With umbridge, if she has Voldemort's power, you'll be lucky if she kills you quick without breaking you
i feel the main difference between voldemort and umbridge is that voldemort has morals. there are things voldemort does not like doing. he does like like to spill magical blood and he doesn't even demand that you join his cause, as long as you do not act against him and stay out his way, he won't go after you, sure some of his deatheaters are certifiably insane, but voldemorts himself does not torment random people for the hell off it, voldemort tortures and kills only those who are his enemies, when voldemort murders muggles, he does so to put pressure on his enemies, every action has a purpose and only rarely does he get carried away with the torturing of people and you can tell that he doesn't enjoy making people suffer nearly as much as bellatrix or some of the other nutcases he associates with, by his favored method of execution, he uses the killing curse, a curse that kills the target instantly with minimal suffering. umbridge is different from this in the sense that she does not have the power to screw the rules and do what she wants like voldemort does, so instead she has dedicated her life to dishing out as much torment as she can possibly get away with, doesn't matter who is on the receiving end of it. another HUGE difference is that voldemort goes after people who can actually fight back.
You just said that Voldemort kills muggles then at the same time said he only goes after those who could fight back? How could a muggle fight back against someone that can kill them with 2 words? He also went after a 1 year baby, how could he fight back? Snape also said that he used to enter people's mind to torture them in the worst way possible and he'd killed so many people he had an army of inferi!!
Yes, hats off to Imelda Staunton! Though personally she is nothing like the character portrayed, she made me feel a hatred I never felt towards old Voldy. And yes, the movie made me hate Umbridge more than the book. It was such an exquisite interpretation! Chilling to the bone!
Voldemort is a villain really only seen in stories; terrifying, but always conquered by Good.
Umbridge is the evil we see everyday; an online bully, a manager at work, a vindictive ex-friend.
People who camouflage themselves in good deeds and use the very rules to stop them to harm others.
We fear people like Umbridge more because they say, "Nothing you do matters. You are worthless.
I will ALWAYS win in the end." And unfortunately, they do.
If you asked Voldemort why he commits his atrocities, his answer would be "So that I will rule." There is logic behind his actions and he has a definitive end goal. He openly flaunts what he is, a Dark Lord and a Conqueror, and doesn't pretend to be anything else.
If you asked Umbridge the same question, her answer would just be "Why not?". She has no lofty end goals or reason for her cruelty. She does it for the fun of it, and because she knows she can get away with it. She conducts all her evil behind closed doors with frightened children, and she pretends to be a Saint to the rest of the world.
Nailed it, Renee!
LAWFUL EVIL - Umbridge was my ex-boss and workplace pressured me out and made me quit in the most legal and lawful way possible... since they couldn't find a real reason to fire me.
Yeah you right we don’t get real people like Voldemort. Cough cough Hitler
Voldemort can be compared to Adolf Hitler and Stalin, but yeah, they are not daily life villains as well
Umbridge was an undercover Death Eater.
But that's just me.
No thats also me
And me
Nice idea, but Rowling wouldve said it at the time
It was highly implied that she was. But my memory is a little foggy, so could be wrong.
Nah, she wasn't. That was even discussed between Sirius, Harry, Ron and Hermione.
Umbridge is important to the characters growth in showing that the world isn't black and white. Through her they learn that there are plenty of horrible people who don't identify as Death Eaters, and who happily work within the law (when it suits them, Dolores) to harm and oppress other people.
Atleast he waited for Harry to finish exams every time he attacked harry
😂😂😂
Fair enough.
@@theogking8309 😂
That is true!
Lol
I think the reason people Hate Umbridge is because we all had a teacher we hate. And she resembles that evil teacher we all had
So far, cuz I'm still in school, the teacher I hated was mrs.Meyer
Absolutely. Not many of us have had a Voldemort, but we’ve ALL had an Umbridge at one point in our lives...
I’d argue it’s because she actually did something to the protagonist. Umbridge was just a better villain. This problem shows itself fairly often when people design a villain based on ‘some angry failed artist’ (assuming you know who I’m referring too, not naming as apparently RUclips search’s comments now as well and don’t want to cause problems). Honestly, it’s difficult to truly hate Voldemort as he himself doesn’t really do anything. The worst thing he does is kill Cedric (not counting parent dead as Harry was an infant and as such cannot remember it) where as Umbridge violated multiple human rights of Harry’s and we experience her blatant targeting along side Harry. Bellatrix is hated more than Voldemort because she killed Sirius a character that Harry was close to and we as a reader got attached to as well.
While my opinion on who is more evil shall remain my own and for my own reasons. I’d say people are justified in disliking Umbridge more because Harry doesn’t truly have anything against Voldemort. I’d suggest Uniquenameasaures’ video on the matter as that is what I’m writing here (more or less. He defiantly does a better job explaining it though).
@@zasekai7537 omg we have a mrs.Meyer at our school
It's because no one will ever meet a Voldemort but everyone knows an Umbridge.
What if Percy was sorted into slytherin
What if ron died in 6th year
What if harry was a squib
What if cedric took the cup
What if Hermione was killed by the troll
What if remus wasn't a werewolf
That would be interesting
What if Hermione married Draco?
Naielly Dutra DRAMIONE💚❤️🖤
@@naiellydutra3076 ugh no that's just called drarry there are enough fanfictions about that...
What if Mr. Weasley had died to the snake bite? What if the Dursleys had listened to Dumbledore and raised Harry properly? What if Hermione had been in Ravenclaw and Ron in Hufflepuff? What if Voldemort hadn't killed Lily? What if Harry had stayed dead? What if Snape had survived?
I think Umbridge is more "evil" because she had a choice, unlike Tom Riddle who was unable to feel empathy, love or other positive things.
Tom Riddle had a choice still though. Just because Tom Riddle has disabilities related to love, doesn’t mean he has to be sadistic and enjoy killing people. Lack of love doesn’t mean that he HAD to kill and torture people
@@leonperkins6476 that what exactly lack of empathy and love does to a person. It does not matter to him a person lives or die.
He could have spared Cedric by whipping his memories off but he ordered wormtail to kill him instead.
@@leonperkins6476 why would you not enjoy it? You can't know that it's wrong without empathy. Voldemort didn't need to torture and kill, but unlike Umbridge he was not able to really know that it was wrong.
Just because it's not easy for him to love doesn't mean he has to go and kill many innocent people and get enjoyment from it yes Umbridge is evil buy not compared to voldemort
umbridge is more evil just doesn't have enough power. Voldermort's that way cause of his circumstances, lack of empathy leads to voldermort thinking what he does is fine because he can't sympathize with others.
Umbridge did all she did purposely just for the sake of her own career.
Awesome video Dean!
Ay! I’ve seen ur Harry Potter character origins! let’s just say I’ve spoiled some stuff I’m on book 5
Heyy movieflame! How are you?😃 I love your channel.
I hated her more than voldemort long before the film. It was a more personal kind of hate. I genuinely wanted her dead 😂
I agree
Right. I will never forgive J. K. Rowling for not making Dolores Umbridge get killed.
Same!
You me and the rest of the potterheads wants her dead🤣🤣🤣
I could barely read the book while boiling and seething in anger every time she appeared.
Is it even a question? 🤷🏾♀️😂
Nah it's just that dean had to write something for the title ...
Ye we all know it’s umbridge
Umbridge does not deserve a fair comparation
@@Ruaridh4 of course, My Lord !
@@Ruaridh4
Avadra Kavara!
I think Umbridge is more disliked than Voldemort because we all know an Umbridge in are lives. That one teacher that makes your life a misery at school. Nobody knows a Dark Lord in their lives so you can love them or like them. But something everyone can relate on is a teacher at school who they just hate so much. The one who doesn't let you speak your mind, constantly punishes you and prefers other students over you.
As for the Dark Lord he's the stereotypical baddie, he has motive too. But you see why he is doing what he does.
I got along with all of my K thru 12 teachers but then again, I was never known to cause trouble and made friends more easily with adults. Then again, my eighth grade math teacher was rather difficult, but that could be attributed to her being pregnant throughout the year.
I hated my maths teacher in primary school. She used to slam a ruler down on the desk and scream in my face but I know what Hitler did in the holocaust was worse. There’s no comparison.
Umbridge was definitely worse than Voldemort. Voldemort had a purpose for doing what he did, Umbridge was just cruel for cruelty's sake.
Hannah Brennan So you think that Voldemort killing and torturing more people
than Umbridge isn’t as bad because he had the purpose of conquering and controlling the wizarding world for his own benefit?
also voldemort went after people who could actually fight back.
umbridge would never go after someone who can fight back.
@@windhelmguard5295 Tell that to 1 year old baby Harry or countless muggles, muggleborns and children.
Oh, right, let's forgive the murderer because he just wanted to rip his soul in two by murdering an innocent person, what a great guy!
Hannah Brennan this point is getting so old. Voldemort is the main villain while umbridge was literally written to be hated. She’s more hated, not more evil. Killing thousands of innocent people for your own selfish reason of conquering the world is not “better” than umbridge.
I think Umbridge is worse. Umbridge had a choice while Voldemort did not. He was born with no love and did not know it. His hate goes all the way before birth.
That's not entirely true. Harry Potter wasn't shown much kindness (if any) by his aunt, uncle, and cousin yet he was full of love anyway.
@@ewaleokadia76 But Voldemort was conceived under a love potion, meaning he would never be able to show love or affection
@@sushigoose_ Actually, if his mother were alive, Tom would still have known love. However, since Tom Sr never loved Merope then he wouldn't have affection for his son. Yes, Merope broke the effect of the love potion and little Tom just had a series of bad luck growing up.Then, again, if little Tom had grown up within a loving family would the storyline be as effective? That is not to say that all children never having known love from parents or others cannot be good and loving people, rather, some just fall through the cracks while others rise above their miserable circumstances.
Ewa Sadowski yeah but Harry had determination to get out of the muggle world into the magical world.
@@samuelprusa817 Yes, and despite his screwed up family life, he decided to love since he took after his mother in that capacity.
Easily Voldemort. If you think that any of Umbridge’s actions are as evil as being willing to kill a baby in cold-blood, then you’re pretty damn sick.
It's just that Umbridge is a more realistic evil than Voldemort. How many of us meet geniocidal dictators hellbent on world domination on a daily basis? Not too many. But people like Umbridge are very easy to meet on a daily basis and can very easily be a huge load of trouble for you. For most of us, Umbridge is more visceral because we have all dealt with someone who is like her or can imagine ourselves dealing with someone who is like her. Voldemort not so much. It creates more distance and makes the emotional reaction not as strong.
I do agree that Voldemort is more evil, but if you look into her reasoning and roots, she is not just an everyday evil person.
in fairness it was stated that Baby would kill him...so it wasn't like he didn't have a reason to do this.
Don't know why that is even discussed in the comments. Voldemort is on a whole different level when it comes to being evil. Even Dumbledore stated that he "went beyond normal evil" in the extent of his crimes. He was a prolific killer, killing so many he created an army of Inferi. Not to forget the first and second wizarding war which he started.
@@boi4412 He had a goal is all
@@ollieyoutube Even those Umbridge isn't Voldemort level of evil, she was not normal evil either. also, she was thick like heresy chocolate
The real answer is very simple very few of us have ever experienced a truly evil Tyrant specifically seeking to kill us. Dolores Umbridge is every bully, is every nasty teacher, is every boss who never appreciated you and uses you to further their own career while giving you no credit. She is a relatable evil that virtually every human being alive has experience in one form or another.
And I think for a lot of fans that say that Umbridge is worse. what they're really saying (though most don't realize it) is "someone like that has hurt me before" and so it draws out a more visceral reaction. Because the source of their IRL pain and anger is personified by the character.
However getting back to the in Cannon reasons. The movie portrayal also adds something that I'm really not sure is in the books; because I've never owned a copy of the particular book in which this scene happens but as head of the muggleborn registration Commission Umbridge is wearing Slytherin's locket while producing a Petronus, that she pets while terrorizing muggle-born Wizards and witches.
It's well-established in the Harry Potter universe that projecting a corporeal Patronus is both somewhat difficult and requires a lot of concentration and a happy thought. This depiction in the movie to me means, that sitting there in power over this awful Commission is itself Dolores Umbridge's happiest thought. The Shear Delight she takes in doing evil it's only enhanced by Salazar Slytherin locket and the horcrux within it.
We see later on what wearing this very same locket does to Ron Weasley. Yet there's is Dolores Umbridge sitting there gleefully projecting her Patronus absolutely delighted with herself wearing this horrible evil object and it's only making the moment better for her..... That is sick and twisted.
Why isn't this comment the top comment? This really deserves to be the top comment.
I love how you explain things, you always try to understand both sides and clarify that you’re not jumping to conclusions and misunderstanding things. It shows you’re a really good thinker and your presentation itself is so satisfying
Unbridge is filled with evil but Voldemort is the embodiment of it. Keep in mind he intended to kill a baby with zero remorse with possibility of taking pride in it if he succeeded. Because in his narcissistic mind he evaded death and defied fate taking out someone destined to be his rival
Unbridge is less popular However because she is written to be hated. She has the annoying characteristics of that one person in the room that gives you bad vibes along with being a terrible person.
Voldemort is a better character even though he is more evil because he has that powerful presence and is the main focus of the series while umbridge Came halfway into the books and was just unlikeable. Voldemort has what people call the devils charm as Tom Riddle and a cult like charisma when he became Voldemort having massive followers
While I don’t entirely disagree with your argument (there a a few points I’d argue but I’d be nitpicking something I don’t really disagree with), I do have to disagree on the final paragraph. Umbridge is simultaneously the better character and the better villain. Hence why people actually dislike her. I’ll be honest, I never truly cared one way or another about Voldemort. That’s not a good thing. Your villain show make your audience feel something and when it comes to Voldemort most people that I know are indifferent. That’s not a good villain.
@@cratwinterz200 I see what you mean. We're supposed to hate the villian. Technically Voldemort is the greatest villain with what he has done yet he is more interesting to watch. However, Umbridge makes my skin crawl looking at her and annoyed so I guess she is doing what a villains is supposed to do.
Hmm...I don't know. I love Voldemort as the villain and his character yet I hate Umbridge so I'm not sure. I think you can be a great villian and be liked by the viewers/readers at the same time. Maybe its just a matter of what your perspective is of a good villain. However, what you're saying does make sense
Ascension trust me, coming from comics I know exactly what you mean. I mean we can both agree the joker is an amazing villain. But it’s mainly how the villain is designed that causes this whole debate. Voldemort is by far more powerful and influential. By defeating him Harry become a war hero. But what has Voldemort really done to our protagonist personally? Umbridge tortured him and turned the wizarding world against him (at least in his view she was a large part). Belatrix killed his godfather. Voldemort killed some school kid? I believe that Voldemort could have been such a better villain if he did something to personally effect Harry. Uniquenameasaures made a video on the topic and presented a scenario in which Voldemort broke Hermione. The reaction was instantly that version of Voldemort became the most hated character. It honestly wasn’t ever all that big of a change from what actually happened either.
I’m not trying to argue with you as at the end of the day your opinion is yours. I’m just trying to lay out why this debate is even exists. This is also why I really can’t bring myself to care. Honestly, Voldemort could’ve been locked in jail and I’d wouldn’t have made a difference to me.
Irrelevant side note. This whole discussion made me curious on who was worse in the eyes of the law, it’s Umbridge and it’s not even close. Voldemort has two murders and possibly a few war crimes, Umbridge violates the basic human rights of every student in Hogwarts with some of her decrees, nevermind the torture of minors, cruel and unusual punishment, or discrimination (as according to wizarding laws half-breeds are still classified as humans in the eyes of the law.)
But you also have to consider that Umbridge wasn't born with a love potiong like Voldemort.
Potion*
Imelda Staunton completely nailed the character we all know and hate but apparently she has a heart of gold in real life according to a lot of journalists
hate the character not the actress am i right?
I have a Christian Aunt who has a little bit Dolores in her. As a kid we were scared of her because she was know for hitting with the bible. And she had that sugar-coated evil smile too.
MedusaMoon Lace that’s no Christian. I’m sorry. :( xxxx
@@allysha.j I come from a small town in Kansas.This is what they are here.Its the norm.
MedusaMoon Lace that’s just 😞 it shouldn’t be. I hope you find truth because this isn’t the truth unfortunately. A lot of people abuse the faith unfortunately so you have to be vigilant, the enemy is very deceiving. Much love! 🙏✨
@@allysha.jThank you that was very kind of you to say.Not much of that these days.
Thank you that was very kind of you to say not much of that around these days.@@allysha.j
Clearly unbridge is the worse won
1. Unbridge likes to see people suffer , sadistic women
2. Tom respectes other people he only kills them when they don't agree with him and I don't think he makes others suffer just for fun
I mean he technically tortured Harry for the fun of it in goblet of Fire.
@@LordOfDragons4122 Well that was harry because of whom he died of course he'll be angry at him rest I didn't see him torture any other innocent person who is not linked to story
@@jasongabe5678 you got to remember that the only reason why he would go after Harry was because of what The seer that worked at Hogwarts had prophesized saying that there would be a kid at the end of July who would overthrow him and he immediately thought it was Harry.
But also of course he wouldn't be able to torture innocent people at Hogwarts with the cruciatus curse because Harry did the same thing that his mother did and sacrificed himself in order to protect all of his friends which ironically it worked because all of the spells weren't connecting to any of the students that were fighting.
Voldemort being sadistic is one of his main personality traits. It’s not even up for debate. It was literally said in the books that he enjoyed torturing people. That was said by J.K Rowling in the books
1. Is literally Voldemort just way worse than Umbridge.
2. He respects people as long they agree with him otherwise the one gets tortured or killed. Umbridge tolerates people as long they agree on her view and life by her rules (if some are established) otherwise you know what happens.
Both of these points are getting exceeded by Voldemort by a mile.
Umbridge is able to conjur up a patronus while wearing that horcrux. Think about it.
Yes this is so true
Rowling confirmed that the evil in the Horcrux made umbridge stronger...
That's sick
@@Phoenix-King-ozai you mean the one she *stole* from Voldemorts Famaly? Even Teen Voldemort would Hate her.
Well, the way I see it...
Voldemort does Evil stuff to accomplish his Purpose, and he doesn't give a shit about it, doesn't lose sleep over it, but he doesn't particularly enjoy the "evil itself" , he just does it and feels nothing, no remorse
He does have sadistic qualities, but usually only targeted towards his foes and traitors
Umbridge's purpose " is " Evil
She's a sadist, a cruel paper pusher, but in the same order as Grey back and Bellatrix
So, in my opinion, Voldemort *does* more Evil
But Umbridge *is* more Evil
That's very wise!
Why you are so wise 😂!!
What about laughing over Harry death in the deathly hallows? That’s an emotion over over something evil. With that point alone. Your whole argument drops
@@georgeskate78 No it doesn't! Laughing over Harry's Death? Oh God! That is NOT canon and you clearly don't understand what He/she means. Umbridge does what she does for the sake of evil. And for Voldemort he clearly see's it as an obstacle for his ultimate goal. Umbridge ultimate goal is to simple cause evil and Voldemort's is to change the wizarding world "for the better" in his eyes.
@@parthvisharma5866 I suppose if we are going of the books alone then yeah maybe I don’t remember but in the films he does more than worse. The point is everybody has a motive. Even evil characters. Nobody is evil for fun. That’s poor writing. Bellatrix was passionate about being a death eater and wanted to impress her master (Voldemort). Umbridge’s main line is ‘I will have order.” She tortured people for control not fun. Same thing with Voldemort did but he took his to a different level and thought of an even bigger picture when it came to inflicting pain. Meaning Umbridge had the same motivations as Voldemort but they were less extreme. Less extreme by the fact that yes of course torturing and hurting people is wrong but is not worse then killing and taking someone’s life away. Meaning there are a countless death eaters that are worse than her. Barry crouch as just one example. He killed his own father without remorse and yet somewhere Umbridge is more evil?
Voldemort : I am worst and hated person!!!
Umbridge : You cute and funny, Little Tom!!!
Voldemort is the "Fantasy" villain: the one that can only be in a Fantasy novel/world. Dolores Umbridge could be our neighbor--or horror of horrors, a teacher. Voldemort is pure evil...Dolores Umbridge is real.
I have read a theory, it said that Umbridge is more evil than Voldemort because while using the Cruciatus curse she could produce a Patronus. While doing the most evilest act she felt happy enough to produce a full corporal and powerful patronus. Whereas none of the death eaters or Voldemort could.
At least Voldemort cares about Harry's education!
Dustin Krueger yeah
Lol
Even the seasoned Imelda Staunton was horrified when she got to know the kind of punishment Umbridge would be using on Harry.
Umbridge hides her iron fist in a velvet glove, Voldemort does not.
0:00-5:26 invented the blood quill ❤😂😅😅!🪶🩸🤬🖤✔️
Umbride: Power Hungry Sociopath
Voldemort: Tyrannical Psychopath
Umbridge: *straight away tortures Harry with the blood-quill detention
Voldermort: *could have use avada kedavra on wandless Harry in goblet of fire, but he instead said "Pick up your wand Potter!"
Voldemort is a psychopathic due to being conceived under the influence of a love potion so because he’s incapable of feeling love or form of emotional attachment, it’s not so much his fault he is what he is.
However, Umbridge is what I would consider true evil for she is all about her own power and isn’t ashamed to hurt/kill anyone who gets in her way.
I wouldn't mind leaving Evil Umbridge permanently within the Centaurs 'care'....
Picture it: Professor Mcgonagall having enough and challenging Umbridge to a duel and killing her.
I so wish that happened
*we’re just ganna gloss over the fact that she sent thousands of muggleborns to azkaban and some didnt survive...*
And many recieving the kiss
Aka fate worse than death
People seem to get the term "more evil" mixed up:
Umbridge bullied people for no literal reason and was just plain hateable.
But in terms of evil, she has absolutely nothing on Voldemort, compare making students bleed a bit and being a sinister b**** to slaughtering innocents for their blood status and attempting to take over the entire Wizarding government.
So overall, Umbridge is more hateable but Voldemort is undoubtedly more evil.
Well using logic. I hate Voldemort more because he was hateable through the more people he killed. I hate Bellatrix more than Umbridge because she actually killed someone. More of an evil act in my mind
After watching this, I fear to know what Professor Umbridge would’ve done if she got her hands on the Elder Wand.
The answer is obvious: both
Umbridge by far is the most hatable character in the entire series but as for most evil that would have to be Voldemort. After all Umbridge didn't become a dictator and have a massive following like Voldemort did.
It's because she does it with a giggle! THAT GIGGLE!.
Umbridge (in the books) wanted to tag merfolk and centaurs to register them all like you would do with cows and sheep. That says all about Umbridge.
Unbridge is worse cuz she choose to prey on the innocent n defenseless 😑
Dont forget Voldemort lack emotion due to the luv potion so u can say it's not entirely his faults plus he was neglected. Voldemort was born a monster while Unbridge chose to become a monster is how I see it 😧
I’d say Umbridge is the worst and 10 x worse than Voldemort
Then you would be wrong. There’s no opinionated answer here. A guy who’s slaughter millions is worse than someone who’s abused people. Opinions don’t fit into this. It’s just pure morals on what’s worse
For me it's quite easy:
Voldy was worse, but Umbridge was more evil. TBH, I think, she is The definition of "evil"
Certainly NOT the best pianist, but still
Not at all. It is the opposite, Voldemort is the embodiment of evil he killed without remorse and tortured people for fun. Unbridgeable tortured but never killed, she is just annoying.
@@mobeenkhan824 I agree voldemort is more evil but umbrige is more hateable
@@thezord6686 But the more evil the more hateable. So Voldemort is worse than her
@@georgeskate78 not necessarily you can see that umbridge is kore hateable than voldemort all the way. Since umbridge did annoying things than Voldemort.
@@thezord6686 But I don’t though. I think Voldemort is worse. It’s saying saying who’s worse. Nero or your abusive history teacher. It’s not even on the same table
If it's possible... could you do a video on "What if Rita Skeeter interviewed the Dursleys' about Harry?"
Voldermort had a goal, meaning (nearly) all his cruelty was just to reach this goal, whereas umbridge is just evil for fun, making her worse
This.
Exactly
And she didn't nearly have the same power and freedom as him
Or she could have been atleast as bad
Both of them may be after power, but Voldemort had a goal that he honestly thought was right. I guess the same could be said of Umbridge, though honestly she just seemed sadistic for its own sake. After all, by book seven she’s working for Voldemort without even knowing it; I doubt she would care that much either, so long as she could keep being horrible to all those she considered “unworthy”. Also micro-managers get under my skin like nothing else so that doesn’t increase her standing with me either.😂
Giving a piece of Voldemorts soul was around her neck for who knows how long!! We saw how it affected Ron and we also know Harry's situation, sooooi
Keep in mind that as head of the Muggleborn Registration Commission that she weilded so much authority that she could put people on trial just for who they were born as. She stripped people of their wands and their right to use magic, tortured muggleborns, and sent them to prison.
I'm not sure if any of those charged with "magical theft" would have been executed, but when you read about the trials in book 7 there is part of me that feels like that maybe some people were wrongfully executed, or maybe died during torture, particularly the more combative of her victims. Now I can't see her being the one to actually murder someone and get her hands dirty like that so to speak but she could definitely order someone to do it for her.
So to me, yeah, it's hard to really say who is the worst or best villain of the series. Voldy never made what he did a secret. He never tried to claim to be good or righteous...he was always pretty open about his dark tendencies as a kid and later as an adult never really hid that he was a dark wizard. Umbridge was that evil who hid in plain sight. A more relatable and realistic evil than Voldemort, but evil no less.
It's obvious isn't it pun intended it's Umbridge is obviously worse
Now can I get an amen to that
Molly'z World amen!
AMEN
Umbridge: hem hem
Voldemort: why do I hear boss music?
Voldemort was the way he was because he couldn't feel love. There was a reason for that. Umbridge was just messed up as a character.
Maybe she didn’t feel love either? It doesn’t really sound like a good reason to hate her more than Voldemort
Remember when Voldemort gave Harry the lightning bolt shaped scar on his forehead on Halloween 1981? That was CHILD'S PLAY compared to what Umbridge did because when Harry wrote "I must not tell lies" that was like several of those scars on his head going directly into his hand at once.
HP fans: Dolores Umbridge is the cruelest HP villian!
Voldmort: Am i a joke to you?
HP fans: Hey, you're honest with your evil.
That picture of her where she is staring at you through the screen, and the corners of her lips imaging untruly smile makes me shaking with fear
For another video can you do if Tom Riddle Sr hadn’t left
I think there's already a video. Something about Tom Riddle Jr.'s life. From this channel.
Lava Cake rlly!!! Tysm for letting meh know
Excellent video!! (Imelda Staunton stole every scene she was in!)
Dumbridge is my favorite ship (Dementor + Umbridge). I would love their first kiss!
Bobby Daniel u have a pure heart. XD
When it happens I'd love to watch it with you. I'll bring the movie snacks!
The funny think about this video is that yesterday I said Killing the Night King before Cersei was like killing Voldemort before Delores Umbridge
I see your view Dean. And to a point, I agree with it. However, I also disagree with it. Here's my personal view.
Action wise: Voldemort is DEFINITELY far, far, FAAAR more evil than Umbridge is. There is no doubt about that. Actions he's taken throughout his life, MANY, MANY of them, were far worse than any Umbridge has EVER taken. So action wise, Voldemort is by far the more evil one.
Motivation/reason wise: Umbridge is far more evil. Voldemort does his actions because they're toward a goal he believes in. Truly believes in. Even if it is a goal opposed by the majority of the world and us as readers. However, Umbridge on the other hand, has no viable reason. Whereas Voldemort's reason is a goal he believes in, a path he believes should be, whether for vengeance against his parents for the way he was born, not having a pair of truly loving, caring parents, born from false love, whatever, or because of some twisted view about the thing he's trying to obtain being best for the wizarding world, or whatever his reasons or motivations or beliefs there are as to why he does what he does, Umbridge just flat out THINKS it's the right think to do based on what she wants to feel. She has no truly acceptable drive or reason, other than just to do it for the sake of doing it because it makes her "feel good". Personal feeling is not a good reason to do anything she does. And it's not a true conviction, just another every day heinous act. Therefore, she herself, on a motivation/reason level, is far more evil than Voldemort.
In my personal opinion, they're both EQUALLY as evil, just in their own separate ways. :P
Umbridge: You applied first to the Defense Against the Dark Arts post, is that correct?
Riddle/Voldemort: Yes.
Umbridge: But you were unsuccessful?
Riddle/Voldemort: Obviously.
AltoClarBear dying😂, and so would Umbridge be if that actually happened!
i think that line was meant for voldemort both voldemort and snape wanted that position and both were rejected
My option is umbridge, because with voldemort you atleast know what your going to get (a former hansome, charming, clever boy that wanted to change the ministry; but he lost sight of it with all the horcruxx's he made and become a unfeeling ambitious murder). With umbridge she is condescending to everyone and she wants power in the ministry, but she goes about it by tricking everyone (except maybe cornilious) and putting on different masks to get what she wants) if im wrong about umbrudge im sorry, i don't know her that well.
Can you do a theory about who the founders put in power as the first headmaster? We know godrics hat sorted the students but i don't think the hat could've taught over a dozen students (i guessing over a dozen)
Also please ask rowling what is up with the Prince family that snapes from? We barely know anything and i think the surname 'prince' has more meaning. I mean why use prince out of all the words in the world? Could the family have sided with william the conquer and william given them the name as thanks for the help? Was the family a branch family of a far more powerful family? We dont know much, if anything, and id like more info
It’s like Draco Malfoy. If we never got the movies. We’d never have seen hot Tom riddle in chamber of secrets. People would hate Voldemort
I think you sort of touched on it - Voldemort is evil but he's not dishonest, what you see is what you get. Umbridge is a liar & an abuser of official authority - she pretends to be something she's not, and that's what really gets under people's skin. She's not more evil, but she's a hell of a lot more unlikeable.
considering Voldemort committed genocide, he's more evil but Umbridge isn't evil, that's another level
He did? When? Where? Did I miss something?
I compare Voldemort to Adolf Hitler and Umbridge to a Nazi. Umbridge was probably a secret Death Eater except kept that under wraps to be used in the future when Voldemort came into power again. She ultimately used her nastiness briefly until Voldemort was finally defeated and she, presumably, ended up permanently in Azkaban.
We don't usually meet "Voldemorts" in our real life. But many of us may experience an "Umbridge' or two. It is that relatability that gives us that visceral reaction. The memory of the cruel teacher, a narcissist parent, a manager who ruled by favoritism and intimidation, we know that person.
both are pretty evil, but i believe it was umbridge.
the dark lord was born from a love potion, so he doesn’t know what love is, that’s why he ended up evil. while on the other hand umbridge actually had family, understands love. i actually feel for tom bc it’s not his fault he turned evil, he didn’t have a choice. while umbridge decided that she should pain people. voldemort showed a little caring to his allies (mostly his inner circle of death eaters) while umbridge didn’t even care, it seemed like she was only siding with her ministry because she wanted power ig
Good point and remember voldemort was willing to spare Lily a "mudblood" because snape asked him to, I don't think Umbridge in that situation would have been willing to do that.
I’m addicted to these vids now
You should do an alt Harry Potter history theory of what if Umbridge was killed off?
Interesting theory. In real life I can imagine students murdering her. That could be how she dies. A Scectumsempra and leaving her to bleed out would do it. Snape would panic.
I'm surprised she wasn't guarded by Aurors. Maybe they'd do her in? She's so bad I'd consider appealing to the Muggle Prime Minister and having him make Fudge get rid of her.
4:05 But Umbridge works with Filch who's a Squib so how does that make sense? Like you just said Umbridge hates Muggle-borns and Squibs but Filch is a Squib.( Or maybe she just made an exception for Filch OR she doesn't know he's a Squib)
Well there are different kinds of Sociopathic tendencies. Voldemort was more of a histrionic narcissistic kind, Umbridge is more of a sadist not necessarily histrionic. I don’t think one is worse than the other simply their motives and overall damage is different. I find the Umbridge kind more damaging because it goes unnoticed.
Umbridge is more evil because she deliberately loves to torture and punish people same for stronger hatred of "half-breeds", and she hates on hogwarts. Voldemort/Tom Riddle he generally just kills and is at least willing to work with some "half-breeds", also he actually cared about hogwarts, me I always felt sorry for voldemort since the 6th book. Also felt sorry for snape since the 1st book.
If Dolores was young and with Voldemort, they would b the king 🤴🏻 and queen 👸🏼 of Dark Arts...with Bellatrix being loyal but bitterfully jealous.
I genuinely hate Umbridge more than Voldemort because of these reasons:
1. Trying (and failed) to get Harry expelled from Hogwarts for speaking the truth about Voldemort’s return and giving him multiple detentions.
2. Her hatred towards half-breeds.
3. Taking away student rights against their will.
4. Her crimes against Muggle-borns.
Do you plan on comparing Grindelwald and Voldemort?
Good idea! I'd vote Voldemort 100% evil and Grindewald 0% evil, though. Voldemort killed neutrals, he was bigoted, he cared only for himself, he never knew love, and he enjoyed torturing/killing others. Grindewald spared neutrals, he only wanted freedom, he wasn't a megalomaniac or narcissist, he was fully capable of genuine love, and he didn't enjoy killing even when he had to.
God No
Not Grindelwald *again*
I strongly agree with your point of view! Video suggestions:
--What if Bellatrix Lestrange Survived?
--What if Voldemort killed Harry in the graveyard Pt. 2
--What if Grindelwald escaped in Book 6
--If gay rights were a widespread debate in the Wizarding World, who would support them most: Grindelwald's Army, the Death Eaters, or the general population?
--Who was the most evil Death Eater: Bellatrix Lestrange, Wormtail, Rodolphus Lestrange, Dolohov, Lucius Malfoy, or Crouch?
If you had asked me who was more evil before watching this l would have said Voldermort. But after closer examinasion l see that Umbrige is the true vilian. If she had as much power as Voldermort, and if she did't care about her job in the misitery, she wouldn't have hestanted to do much worse than Voldermort. But that's all my opinion.
The main kicker of this is what we see in HBP... She has a patronus next to her, while shes sentencing innocent people to death...
She gets pure joy from torturing people to immeasurable suffering...
It's like comparing Hitler to to the commanding officer of the camp you were sent to.
Or Hitler to my science teacher
not really.
it's more like comparing hitler to fritzl.
and if you don't know who fritzl is, do yourself a favor and don't look it up.
I believe the onscreen version of Umbridge made me vehemently hate her more than the book version. I truly believe that she is way more evil than Voldemort
I believe Umbrige
At least she came from a family that cared for her
Yet she was a horrible person
Shayma Hussain
It is canon that she came from an abusive family like Harry.
Plus I feel like the amount of people Voldemort kills kind of over pushes the scales further than “Well he had an abusive family to begin with. So it was alright.”
Dean, did you need to take a bath in disinfectant after diving into the Pink Freak's mind?
There’s no way Umbridge is more evil than Voldemort. Voldemort killed and tortured way more than she did
I’m going to counter, and not one I see often. Voldemort has a reason to kill. Before you berate me, hear me out. He was fighting a war. If we operate solely off of crimes Umbridge is actually worse. You do have to remember that Voldemort’s entire thing was the Wizarding War, Umbridge just violated the basic human rights of her students.
I’ll be honest. I hate Umbridge a lot more that Voldemort. However I don’t necessary believe you can truly claim one to be ‘more evil’ than the other.
Nevertheless I’ll try. Evil, by definition is profoundly immoral and wicked. Is Voldemort immoral, yes he wished for muggles to be ruled by wizards and he sought Immortality with complete disregard of human life. Is he wicked, well yes the guy killed many even if his reasoning for most deaths was justified. As for Umbridge she is known to believe the same as Voldemort but also added in all non-fully human beings. She tortured students for no real reason. Truly they’re both terrible.
One last note. I don’t believe that Voldemort’s psychopathy can be a point to either side. The claims of he would kill a child and he couldn’t feel love are both very bad reasoning. As a psychopath he doesn’t assign value to life, regardless of age, but that doesn’t excuse him of his actions either. Also while we know indeed he killed more than Umbridge did, I’d argue that we cannot say the same for torture.
I don’t think Voldemort believed he was benefiting the Wizarding world. That would have required him to spend even a second considering the impact of his actions on other people.
what if sirius killed wormtail
what if harry potter was a death eater
what if ron was in slytherin
what if bellatrix killed ginny
what if percy was a death eater
what if lilly married snape
what if moaning mytre survived
Well, you made excellent points in this video, in my opinion. Just the fact that an answer is hard to find makes this topic even more interesting to me.
I have no clear answer myself. On the one hand Umbridge did have a choice to do the things different that she did, but on the other hand Voldemort wasn't even conceived with love. That begs the question if he did have a choice for his actions in the first place. But both seem to be full aware of what they were doing.
In both cases I give neither of them my sympathy, but just that most Potterheads find Umbridge more evil is I think because more people nowadays can relate to a teacher they despise than having to live under the constant fear of being ruled by a dictator, which is how I see Voldemort.
Do you think that unbridge was a death eater or a voldemort supporter
She clearly was in the final book. It's unknown if she ever actually took the Dark Mark (Fenrir Greyback, Scabior, and Narcissa Malfoy didn't), but considering her high rank in the Voldemort-controlled Ministry, the fact that many British wizards wear long sleeves (which would hide Dark Marks that aren't deliberately shown), and the fact that Wormtail and even Draco got the Dark Mark, I find it likely.
She wasn't an official death eater but definitely supported Voldemort for her own gain.
Umbridge is a much more detailed character than Voldemort. For the most part, we're just told how evil Voldemort is, and all we see of his evil is just him saying "avada kedavra" and "crucio" a lot. In contrast, with Umbridge, we're shown how evil she is with a fairly detailed and accurate description of how a predatory psychopath acts. She does a lot more than just use the naughty spells, we see her sadism, her pleasure at abusing her position of power to harm others, and her need for control.
Umbridge and Voldemort are both evil.
I watch top 10 Harry Potter scary dark theories one was about Umbridge was taken by The Centaurs they had their way with her.
Eewwww...I hope the centaurs weren't killed. But what actually killed Umbridge? I've missed that somehow.
@@lindacharlene47 ? None of centaurs died and Umbridge not die either if that's what you asking.
Royal The Wizard...I was generally speaking about Umbridge's outcome. Was she killed at some point or went to a life of torment in Azkaban for her actions at Hogwarts?
@@lindacharlene47 They send her too Azkaban or turn her to animal fo hurting them kids.
The difference is that Umbridge represents the banal kind of evil that many people encounter in their lives and can relate to...Voldemort is a cartoon supervillain...its much easier to hate that which you can actually can understand...sure people loathe Voldemort...but his evil and its sources are much more of an abstraction...and at a remove from what people encounter in the real world...
Obviously Voldemort he killed while umbridge was truly evil, she never killed
Someone should give Umbridge the Infinity Gauntlet
At least Voldy never tortured for fun.
Umbridge was definitely evil and hatable but no follow through. Not to the point of Voldemort anyway.
She sent those two dementors to give Harry and Dudley a kiss, Which is a fate worse than death.
Because umbridge doesn't remotely have the same power and freedom as Voldy
Think of it like this
If umbridge had as much power as Voldemort and as little social inhibition
Who would you rather meet in a dark alley
I mean, even with Lord Voldemort, your chances are slim
But if you were a wizard and haven't been openly Anti-Voldemort and managed to sweet talk him, he might, Might spare you
Even if he doesn't, you can beg him to make it quick
And he'll probably oblige
That's because Lord Voldemort does evil as a result of his actions
He doesn't usually do Evil for its sake
With umbridge, if she has Voldemort's power, you'll be lucky if she kills you quick without breaking you
It also doesn’t help that if you conceive a child with someone that you’ve put a love potion on,
They’re usually born emotionless.
I say umbridge is more evil, she had a choice to be evil. Valdamort did not have a real choice.
At least Voldemort is a sort of calculating, patient and cautious psycho. Umbridge is completely unhinged
Forget Voldy
Go get Umbridge!
Umbridge’s character in the movie was incredivly well done. Especially because I thought she was the same woman who played the warden from Holes.
read book five and place Trump in the book instead of Umbridge...
KittKara lmao
@KittKara Your comment deserves more likes lol
Hillary Clinton feels like umbridge to me. People that works around her says she is a horrible person
i feel the main difference between voldemort and umbridge is that voldemort has morals.
there are things voldemort does not like doing. he does like like to spill magical blood and he doesn't even demand that you join his cause, as long as you do not act against him and stay out his way, he won't go after you, sure some of his deatheaters are certifiably insane, but voldemorts himself does not torment random people for the hell off it, voldemort tortures and kills only those who are his enemies, when voldemort murders muggles, he does so to put pressure on his enemies, every action has a purpose and only rarely does he get carried away with the torturing of people and you can tell that he doesn't enjoy making people suffer nearly as much as bellatrix or some of the other nutcases he associates with, by his favored method of execution, he uses the killing curse, a curse that kills the target instantly with minimal suffering.
umbridge is different from this in the sense that she does not have the power to screw the rules and do what she wants like voldemort does, so instead she has dedicated her life to dishing out as much torment as she can possibly get away with, doesn't matter who is on the receiving end of it.
another HUGE difference is that voldemort goes after people who can actually fight back.
You just said that Voldemort kills muggles then at the same time said he only goes after those who could fight back? How could a muggle fight back against someone that can kill them with 2 words? He also went after a 1 year baby, how could he fight back? Snape also said that he used to enter people's mind to torture them in the worst way possible and he'd killed so many people he had an army of inferi!!
5:26-10:25 lol ❤😂😅😅’
Me :*reads the title *
Also me : Umbridge !!!
Yes, hats off to Imelda Staunton! Though personally she is nothing like the character portrayed, she made me feel a hatred I never felt towards old Voldy. And yes, the movie made me hate Umbridge more than the book. It was such an exquisite interpretation! Chilling to the bone!
Voldemort was born without the ability to love because of the love potion