@@ttt5205 They kinda do, actually. Otherwise, they won't use "free pull" or "generous" or "good pity system" as a defense for these games. And let's not forget the "no one cares" crowd.
Maybe use your brain and spend responsibly... I played WoW, a sub in wow is 13 euro per month. I spend 12 euro per month in Wuthering Waves and the gameplay and content is fresh, they do updates every 3 weeks, as opposed to wow every 6 months.... as a company Kuro deserves that money more than Blizz which has become beyond lazy in the last years.
Your favorite Gacha game should always qualify as “That 7/10 game that can occasionally feel like a 9/10”. It’ll always be a 7/10 because of what it is: a Gacha Game
And it’s not even because of the slot machine. But because of how much corners they’re cutting because of the model. Think of how many characters got zero development after their banner has passed. All your Hu Taos and Jiyans. Think of how many character kits have a gameplay of “learn the one and only correct order of pressing buttons and repeat it with no variations whatsoever”, or worse, “skill ult swap”. And then compare that to something like dmc. Think of how many plot holes or boring lazy side quests you encounter per patch and compare to how many you’ve found in proper story driven games like persona series. All of these and more are consequences of gacha model. Just sell the character, the rest can be a slop and no one’s gonna care.
@@Soundwave1900 People could probably make smaller scale games starring only 1-4 characters from any Genshin or Wuwa region for $40-$60 and it'd probably be a better product than the source material Imagine a Carlotta spinoff game in the style of Bayonetta, or an Ace Attorney style game starring Fontaine characters. That would honestly be more fun than playing the games they come from
just don't do gacha dude like it's not even that important why you do gacha? to pull character, for what? clearing harder content, to get what? well another gacha resource so you don't exactly need to do gacha in gacha games just play it with free character you got and clear all the casual content like a single player game
For Westerners: Playing an hour daily for dailies and exploration to farm pulls is normal here in Asia as we usually ride trains to/from work or school. There's nothing else to do. It's better than mindlessly scrolling Tiktok
Triple AAA games I have to buy. Gacha games I can play for free without spending and experience good gameplay and good story, and experience good open worlds. They’re decent enough as games. I can’t believe people refuses to at least acknowledge these as games. They’re fun, and games are supposed to be fun.
Yeah, they're really not that fun. The gameplay is alright with 3d gachas, but what drives the fun is upgrading your characters. You either hit a point where any upgrade is hardly noticeable or you are stuck upgrading and frustrated you don't have any good artifacts/relics which are harshly time gated and more whale bait.
Gacha games are ok, as long as you're not a compulsive spender/gambling addict, but this games need to be regulated just like casinos, cigarretes, alcohol, etc.
As much as I like Genshin, PGR, and Wuwa, I will always, ALWAYS, put gacha games in the bottom of my list of video games, sinply for the fact that there is a gacha monetization in that game. It's predatory. Full stop. Period. These companies CHOSE to put gacha mechanics as their main monetization practice. Why can't I just purchase the character directly with a fixed price? Like Warframe, or hell, TFD? Why can't I farm these character directly from gameplay? Instead, I have to do all these things in a roundabout way of getting gacha currency. Why do I have to wait for a "rerun" that's not even guaranteed(mainly Genshin)? Why is the character banner only a month? Instead of, idk a year? Prime Warframes exists in the loot pool for around a year after their release before they are vaulted. And so far there hasn't been any Ultimate Descendants that's been vaulted. The answer is, because these companies CHOSE to implement these practices. As great and talented the devs are, the company still chose to implement gacha monetization into their games. You can buy warframes directly without any gacha, and Warframe has been going steady for 12 (or was it 13?) years strong. I like Genshin. Yes, even with all the current controversies around it, I still played the game, even if only for artifacts. I like Wuthering Waves. I think 2.0 was a great update. I like Punshing: Gray Raven. I will continue to play it so I can save Black Cards for the new Lucia CW yakuza skin. But I WILL NOT consider gacha monetization as ANYTHING other than predatory. I'll just let the whales pay the games for me while I wait for Wilds.
Gacha gamedesign is a donator sifting scheme. All gachas have identical gamedesign, and all gachas only care about player influx being higher than outflux. They will always push monetization as far as their gameplay leverage alows them. Why? Because gachas aren't made to make games. Gachas are made to get filthy rich by farming duduots.
To take your comparison to warframe, it's because warframe is monetized in many other areas. Craft rushing, skins/helms, frame/weapon/companion slots to name a few. Warframe also relies on its trading system to keep plat in circulation. The way warframe does it, while it is a fixed price, has a lot more monetary stops than a gacha. To compare to something like wuwa, you don't have to pay for more character slots, or echo slots. When you get a weapon you don't have to wait 12-24 hours until you can use it, or spend to immediately use it. You also don't have incredibly rare drops for a character part that requires many many hours of farming, or trading for premium currency. I love both games, don't get me wrong, but changing a gacha's monetization requires the changing of the entire game and its balance to real money. I don't think it needs changing anyways tbh, you know what kind of game it is going into it, you can choose to not play it of you have a problem with that
Nah bro, I'd rather be able to quit the game for a year then come back to it with its size tripled thanks to constant updates and enjoy the extra content after. I don't give a damn if it's predatory, lets not pretend to be saints here. Who cares if kids spend 100 bucks from their parents credit card? Definitely not me, nor would it affect me in my sleep. The spending audience can do what they want because its their own money. The rich people can fund my enjoyment of the game and keep it alive, while I earn all the benefits for free.
What would you rather have? spend money either a subscription or one time buyout and find out that the game is not enjoyable to you and refunds aren't possible or play a f2p game and drop it when its not fun anymore with a choice to spend money
The main demographic is otakus, anime fans, with money, so children aren't the main audience, they're just collateral damage as anime is also appealing to children, specially in western countries where cartoons are only for kids, in other countries animation it's just for kids. I also don't believe in the monetization first notion, if that was the case you wouldn't be able to feel any passion in them, and you can tell when a game has pasion in it, it's on the details and polish, details don't sell games, why flood the games with lore? And if the devs are otakus themselves they probably are making the games for themselves as well, as they wanna make their waifus real like most otakus do, it's pure escapism.
The main issue for me I guess can be explained using an example. Let's take Helldivers 2. Fun game. cost me an awful lot of money I won't usually spend on any game but it was worth it. Until we found out they changed the account setting bs and my friend who wanted to join us could no longer buy it. Then we played Destiny, and that game is shitting itself last I heard. spent money on DLCs but the last few DLCs didn't really feel worth it? Western developers as a whole don't have a good image in my mind these days cuz of a lot of different things I've seen. maybe the only game me and my friends actually love is No man's sky and satisfactory. I don't get DEI forced down my throat wherever I go. But then I play Arknights which is free. And I'm responsible enough that I never spend money on gacha. but when I do feel like spending I just buy skins with it. and it usually has really good music which at this point is majority of my spotify playlist. It usually has an interesting story to tell every update. so much so that one of its stories got praised by a baldur's gate 3 writer. It's the only gacha game I've loved this much. HSR also had its share of making me excited for a story some time ago. Where gacha games stand, it's still not too focused on the multiplayer experience, as in. not primarily a multiplayer game that can be played solo. And I think by the time that becomes a thing, there'd be 2 very different group of gamers, paying to consume slop western devs make looking for the occasional gem and then another who just don't care. Gacha games need laws to prevent kids from actually playing them. Or some other regulation that stopped them from spending money on gacha. The issues gacha games have can be solved by changing a regulation. normal people would still spend on the gacha. Issues with much of the western devs' games can't be fixed with just a regulation change. They need to prioritize giving a good experience over prioritizing politics and other bs that isn't related to the game itself. (not saying all of them do but there's a few big devs who are practically dying at this point cuz of all this, taking down beloved franchises with them)
So, modern game industry that is filled with games that all the time asks you for microtransactions, lock big parts of the games behind 100 DLCs, directly sell characters on already P2P games, accidently do those characters OP, like Tekken 7 did, and lock normal speed of progression behind paywalls are better then gachas. Noted.
dude a rollex despite being expensive only gives time. a 5 dollars watch do the same. which one do u think has more consumers? tell me which paid game has more players than a f2p gacha game like GI, HSR, ZZZ and wuwa connected simultaneously? i think u are right about your analogy on gacha oriantation but i think u failed to take into account that that description only apply before GI release. as of now the majority of gacha players are casuals and normal ppl, with the deranged ppl being the minority. gacha game are far more accessible than any single player games and if u can manage, u wont even need to pay. it's predatory for sure more than most AAA single player game but if u dont have money or the materiel to run thoses AAA games, it's just useless
Okay, how many of those players are playing for the sake of enjoying the game as opposed to being forced to play it for their free pulls? One is played for fun and one is being put on a treadmill.
@@ImproperStandby that is simply a matter of perspective and experience. Many people enjoy or dont mind keeping up with their gacha game. Others dont log in daily at all and play whenever there is more content or just whenever they feel like. Sure one is for fun and the other a treadmill, but you're forgetting that treadmills can be fun and that the AAA 'fun' is still hidden behind a 60 dollar paywall, more than most players spend on a gacha game in their lifetime whilst only having a fraction of its content.
@ttt5205 As someone who enjoys gacha and other games, I'm not disagreeing, and I can understand it. I'm just saying that for me at least gachas are not my main stay nor are they my main focus. I find gachas fun to be in short burst but I also play other games on my Steam Library. Most AAA games are hit or miss while the AA and Indie scene is popping off and keep in mind the prices for indie games can be fairly cheap and good fun. Vampire Survivors for one is a cheap game that is way worth the asking price.
people make this shit way too complicated to sound enlightened, smart, be elitist or to glaze their favorite game. im new to gatcha and immediately thought. "if i feel the need to spend more on this than a normal game, or i dont have fun. game bad, will quit. 60 dollar limit short term. if turns into my forever game. mmo sub price max. done. gambling addicts need to stop blaming gatcha for their lack of self control and normal gamers need to put the fedora down already. cigarette smokers never blame manufacturers and thats their damn life. yes that is a self report.
Maybe cigarrete smokers don't complain because unlike gacha games, cigarretes have regulations, cigarretes packages straight encourage you to not smoke while gacha games often sell themselves as "fun games for teenagers"
@sebastiandelvillarmontoya1447 what exactly do you think I'm arguing here? You're missing the plot and choosing to focus on a throwaway analogy. I never said gatcha games were perfect. This video is in the context of the wider communities opinion on gatcha, and how degenerate gamblers and goobers are the loud minority that gets focused on when other communities point fingers at gatcha. I hadn't even played gatcha untill 2 months ago and I Didn't have nearly as bad as an expierience as they made me feel it would be.
@sebastiandelvillarmontoya1447 And going on your assertion, you think if someone doesn't tell you not to do something its not your fault if you do it? You want the govt to hold your hand on every decision you make or it's not your fault? I agree regulation needs to be put in place and children shouldn't be allowed to play these games. But that is entirely out of the context of the premise of this video.
So, i believe that i may possibly be the commenter that partially inspired this video lol. First off, let me say...great video. Nice visual breakdown, well done. I'll try my best to respond: 1. Monetization - Not much to say here since I 100% agree. As per my comment on the other vid, "Of course, it’s 100% fine to criticize the monetization", I think that the monetization in gacha games is horrible and I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend it, actually. Some better than others, but still in general, no bueno. And I don't like saying a game is bade because of the monetization because even though the monetization is a big part of the game (HUGE part) it's the content that makes a game good or bad, imo. Content and monetization are 2 very different things. 2. Who the games are dedicated to - This is true. Most if not all gacha games are catored towards children and parasocial weirdos...but aren't most games, in general?? Who is StellarBlade catored towards? Who is Bayonetta catored towards? Let's go even further, who are comic books catored towards with female characters that fight crime in basically bikinis and male characters that have muscles on top of muscles on top of muscles? Point I'm trying to make is if we're being real, there are a lot of games, comics, movies, shows, etc that cator towards children and weirdos and have over sexualized characters. I just mentioned 2 games off the top of my head, but we all know there are tons of games out there that cator towards this certain demographic but other gamers dont consider them "stupid little games lol". 3. FOMO: FOMO exists in gacha games, yes. But again, it's not just gacha games. We're basically talking about any live service games here. I think I'm just bad at explaining things. It's funny to me that people, especially gamers that love/play/make content on these very same gacha games can say they're just stupid little mobile gacha games when some of them have waaayyyy more fun combat, waaaayyyy better graphics/visuals, waaaaayyyyy better fully orchestrated music, waaaayyyy better designed characters, waaaaayyyy more engaging stories, waaaaayyyyyy better exploration, and waaaaaayyyyyy better lore than 90-95% of other videogames (much of which are AAA videogames) out there right now. I mean, where is the lie in that statement?? I know WuWa is the exception because it's just way better than most gacha games out there but I'm sorry i just have to use it as an example because 2.0 is the latest big gacha release we have and it just did everything right (monetization aside, but i already stated i agree and i think monetization and content should be looked at separately). I enjoyed the video, though and I'll keepviewing and liking your vids cause i enjoy them. I just hope we start calling out specifically what we don't like in these games instead of just calling out the games as a whole.
All Gacha games have different levels of how F2P friendly it is, and some you can get by playing and even ranking high without ever spending money or just spending like $5-10 a month. Gacha game is all about handling your resources and knowing how to pace your pulls (unless you have money you dont mind spending) which means you can play them for months/years without ever spending money or way less than what you paid for random AAA games you stopped after a few hours. So let me ask you...what is really better? AAA game you spent $60+ that might get you enjoyment for a few hours or maybe just a week? Or a Gacha game that you can play without ever spending money and enjoy it for years? Yes some games when it comes to banners can be expensive when it comes to pulling... Epic Seven is one of the best gachas when it comes to banners as the new RGB units is 120 pulls for pity and no 50/50, so 120 pulls you WILL get the unit. Yes Moonlight Heroes in E7 is the more expensive one but if you just playing casually or don't care for PvP then you can play without it and those Moonlight are all focused on PvP...but even so even F2P casuals can get plenty of Moonlight units to. Which is to say that is soo much different than some of the other gachas of course, so trying to use 1 Gacha's expense as branding for all isn't really fair. As you can easily find AAA games that have multiple collectors editions ranging to over $100+, plus a cash shop with Skins, time savers or other stuff like inventory bank/size...and a lot nowadays are Live service games with Battle passes and Loot boxes. AAA games basically just took all the Gacha's monetizations and just stuck it to their AAA game that you had to buy to even play.
Everything was fine and even almost sounded partly professional until you reached the demographic segment of the video, it's not necessarily that you're wrong but the phrasing and theory behind it is a bit questionable, though to cut you some slack you did clarify at 8:49 nevertheless this part is off. I wish the demographics part was also done in a more objective and direct manor, rather than just a simple perception of... Who...? Who are these people having this perception, why and how much is that proportionally to the majority or reality of the situation? It all has to be carefully taken into consideration by presenting the factual statistics behind such statements, otherwise ironically such statements can't be taken seriously. Furthermore at 10:08 when you explain that gacha games are not "real" games cause they see them as slop to be capitalized on.... Well... News flash the "real" games are also being blasted by their respective communities to being slop while raising the price, and not to mention how games are becoming political and are pushing agendas. So at the end of the day gacha specifically target the psychologically weak people with terrible addiction tendencies, especially gambling while on the other hand the alleged "real" games are not progressing in quality and creativity rather pushing alleged political agendas for the sake of relevance by following popular trends to also just hope someone buys the game which as stated already is going higher in price. The harsh truth is some and maybe most gamers these days just try do enjoy the game for what it is, voice their thoughts and concerns but simply quit and move on if the game isn't to their liking in any way shape or form. ☕
By the way, since it's the only thing I hear about it, a gacha game like Punishing Gray Raven is said to be extremely F2P friendly, allowing for anyone to get enough pulls to get at least 1 copy of every limited character (no need to skip a banner to get enough for the second one) I personally nevevr experienced this cause usually you need to play almost daily and do every content in the game.
@@sharkytooth9292 Do you happen to know how many pulls in total would we get? I know my current account isn't able to finish up all of the content, including event content, and if missing just 1 daily puts us below the guarantee, then that dies make it worse, but if it's extra generous, and give us say, 10 extra pulls, then that's way more lenient
I loved this, breaking it down really shows how gacha really does suck I hooe others come to this realization as well and are able to better navigate gacha games know how predatory they really are. WuWa and Infinity Niki are my time sinks right now, and when someone asks me what I'm playing I say "oh I'm playing -instert gacha name here-" they ask what it is and I with out missing a beat say "a slot machine" lmao
im just going to say this here and i hope you'll be as open minded as possible, and it's gonna be long so if you're not interested I'll add tldr in the end. gacha is just part of the game, its the main income source for the game company the same way like micro transaction with other game like fps with their skins and/or battlepass. do you need to spend to get gacha item in gacha games? no not at all, I've played wuthering waves since day 1 and only spend about 5 dollars and still got all the character. how? well in case you never played one, gacha game like wuthering waves (wuwa) have this open world you can explore and find various stuff like chest and random event or side quests. with those stuff you can get your gacha currency for free just by playing the game, not to mention every patch comes with events that also give you the currency. so unlike skins in fps you literally dont need to spend a cent and just play the game for free cuz its f2p. although games from hoyoverse like genshin hsr and zzz have this weapon banner that's quite scammy especially genshin, so as long you're not crazy about the weapons it's not that big of a deal. i suggest avoid playing genshin if you don't want to hate gacha genre cuz they're quite predatory. the game overall is okay, but the gacha is.. just bad so gacha is a part of the game, but what the game is about, for game like wuwa it's the world exploration, it's currently the best looking world in gacha game and if you use nvidia filter or better yet rtx on, it'll be better than most AAA games nowadays. yes the graphic are insanely good. it's using UE4 as it's engine and they use it to the fullest. other than that? if you're interested in the plot you can do the story, although the first part of the story is suck ass, but after chapter 1 it's all getting good especially the recent update, where you can literally fly around the open world, for free. in wuwa you can also kinda collect echoes which is similar to pokemon but I guess cooler in a way. so can you play gacha game without gacha? yeah like you can play fps games without the skins, although the character you get from gacha definitely gives you advantage in combat, you're literally having pve combat so it's not that necessary. and unlike skins in most fps games, you don't need to spend a dime and just play the game regularly or once a while to explore and do the event to get gacha currency for free tldr : gacha is just part of the game and you literally can just avoid it entirely so long you build the free character they give to you in the beginning cuz that's enough to clear all the casual stuff like story and exploration if you're interested in just trying it out (why not it's literally free) i really recommend playing wuthering waves first, cuz as far as gacha game it's one of the most generous out there for their resource and gacha system unlike most game with the same genre in the market. and the game is beautiful and the animation is smooth asl. (**for gacha player reading this just calm down, you guys know how shitty genshin wapon banner is and hsr/zzz 70/30 rate on their weapon banner doesn't make it less scammy. so i suggesting wuwa that has 100% rate for their weapon banner) im not trying to promote gacha game and definitely not the gacha system itself, but if you just ignore the gacha and see for the whole game, i think it's pretty fair to say it's not bad at all
@@gypsyofthebard What anime-style open world ARPGs to come out within the last few years do you recommend? Most of the recent "AAA" titles that have been released are uninspired, ugly, bug-ridden messes.
@@lunaticyoshi1 What anime-style open world ARPGs are even there? That's so hyper specific to begin with and most AAA titles aren't even open world games to begin with. That's literally just Ubisoft and no one else. Like if someone wanted to get deep into combat I'd recommend Tales of Arise, Scarlet Nexus, or Granblue Fantasy Relink. If someone was more into exploration I'd recommend Octopath Traveler 2 due to its massive map. Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for its explosive movement. Ender Magnolia: Bloom in the Mist would be somewhere in the middle. My favorite game from the last few years has been Nioh 2. The entire Echo system WuWa uses was lifted straight from that game, but made infinitely more grindy due time restrictions. I'd recommend playing Nioh 2 if you want to see that system without those restrictions
This is "firts world problem analysis" at its best, at least myself a "growing economy ihabitant" when I play a gaccha game, I dont spend money because my family needs those resourcess, I dont have parasocial relationships because I have a wife and children to atend to, and lets be real, if you prefer to stare at the hairy sweaty butt of monkey king Sun Wukong instead of any good looking character from Nikke, ZZZ or Wuthering Waves, thats on you
Gacha used to be justified back in the 2000s and maybe even 2010s era of gaming. But those worked only for Free to Play titles. Even then that crap only worked on teens and young adults. Gacha these days, especially in buy to play games is just.. yeah nah that needs to go. The common gamer ain't got the money to gamble anymore.
These new 3d gachas are good games, but they put the gameplay behind their gacha system, which is super annoying. It is meant to get you frustrated until you spend lol. Like I just want to play the game, but any challenging gameplay is behind the slot machine.
The only thing my complain to gacha game is how expensive they are. Majority of gacha is anime and anime fanbase is weirdos. Gacha player is weirdos is given.
it literaly the only the mobile game that 3d action RPG instead of 2d sprite resources management game and the gameplay is not suck, good animation during story climax and animated birthday CG is frequent. After Genshin lots mobile game with 3d with various genre and gameplay is born. I feel it money well spent if that money goes to that. Now they have cashcow and does not need my money. They decrease the game quality and I will not spend money at them, it simple. Their great quality need to be appreciates.
i can't agree with that demographic, unless you only want to talk about the ones that log in to such games on a daily basis without a doubt, but otherwise the type of game and style is still more relevant what people will try those out and possibly play more often on a casual basis, barely anybody is playing a game for the reason it is a gacha itself, thats just a monetisation method
you wanna know the real problem? it's cuz western AAA games are trash that people turns to a predatory but fun to play gacha games. Western devs should pull their backs together if they want to retain their companies or else they'll fall like Ubish1ts
prob gonna take close to half a decade to clean the "Unqualified" Devs and finally pick up the steam tbh. I think a majority of Western Games are literally in the toilets...so Gacha games are lik the only other way to enjoy things.
My personal favorite right now is Wuthering Waves but for all of them I can say the same thing. The games would be better without gacha monetization. "But they have to make money somehow!?" Path of Exile. Also live service. Also free to play. Fuck off. Goodbye. In other news since Connor's come back, he's gotten way more spicy! Connor villain arc? I'm liking it 😈
You could pay the upfront price and sub of ffxiv, and then just play a game where everyone has the same item level and stats for all intent and purpose.. how is that less predatory than something like SLA or WuWa..
Theres a lot of enjoyable aspects of these games, for example honkai games have a very anime like story which is pretty interesting and really well thought out lore, but their gacha mechanics are horrendous but if you only care about the story then you don't even have to pull like ever. but imo games with a gacha mechanic should NEVER be marketed towards children. No Matter how good the game is. Its literally gambling. I dont understand how its normalised. I say only children but i mean at the very least children+warnings before you play that it has those scammy mechanics.
Tbh, I just view gacha CC and comments as entertainment. I don't get how people can get angry and even attempt to assassinate CEOs based on a gacha game or community. 😮
There is assasination attempt to another gacha game devs? The only assasination attempt i knew is to hoyo founder because bunny girl and global anniversary situation.
Gacha games is not the joke. The community believing, thinking that they are gambling. That’s the joke. Like I can walk in into a gambling house and walk out with more money than I walked in with so the community thinking they’re playing a gambling game is the biggest joke ever
@lesath7883 You probably don't know how gacha works. At a certain point, you're guaranteed to get the item you want. Let's say, 110th pull, a number of gacha players farm or buy 110 pulls so it's like they are just buying the item directly. If you get the item early, then it's a bonus
@genshinfinity Oh, great. Of course if someone does not agree with you, they must benignorant. That only shows you are full of yourself. I have been playing gacha games for a decade, child. And not all of them have the pity system you mention.
@@Trollnofilter People like me understand how gacha is gambling. You are in denial. And believing that a typo makes your case stronger only shows you are dumb.
Laugh ? Not taking seriously ? Bro right now youre triple AAA games is the one being laugh , youre triple AAA woke game is fckng dead , 70 to 90$ for a game with less content lol
@@zennaonthez free pulls in open world gacha games comes mainly from exploration and quest so it will come naturally as you play the game. You don't want to do that? Then what else you want to do in the game? might as well not play it lmao
@@axelize9094 I love exploration but when it's not in Genshin, their exploration is terrible and they need to learn stuff from other games. How is it free when it's not even fun?
@@zennaonthez fake free pulls come from dailies that can take as low as 1 or 2 minutes in ZZZ for example, free pullsare given when you log in, free pulls are given when you enjoy the game. Is taking your time the same as playing, because if thats the case then all games take your time, stop being retarded.
Your not wrong about this but to me nowdays AAA games mostly are crap they also become joke with ugly character design, Dei and woke agenda, unfinished product, season battle pass and so on, only some new title game are decent to play, for me the best experience as a gamer are in late 90 and mid 2010. This downgrade quality in AAA also one of the reason Gacha game become mainstream couple with how it's free and got constant updates make gacha game populars and of course gacha game had predatory system to gain revenue.
Based on the current trend and soon to be new launches, I predict Gacha will gain significant foothold in the gaming market in 2025, in small part also fueled by DEI and sloppy triple A titles recently.
I mean if gacha games are supposed to be straight up $60 games, most of us broke ass/small dolphins wont be able to purchase it directly as it takes time to hoard the cash and also, once you end the purchased game, what's then? No replayable contents, no new developments, no innovation, instead we do what? Wait for them to drop dlc and buy again? Its like you guys gripe with wanting to get every characters and yet cry about why the characters cost currency once your bad decision making drains all the free currency
Gacha games are never taken seriously, due to the fact that, these "games" exist to do nothing but suck your wallet dry and bring in the "whales" and the people with addictive tendencies, the player-base's in these games are generally not that good either as most of them tend to over obsess on these games to the point that if they feel you are talking about it in a "negative-light" they'll immediately pounce on you and give you a complete run-down of why "their" gacha game is superior to those others and if you ask them about the cash-shop, it'll typically be, "Well, it can be a little pricey, but overall you can get through the game without having to spend anything!" Until you realize just like every other gacha game if you want to make any substantial progress or if you do PvP and want to keep up with the meta and for PvE to keep up with the increasing power-creep of such enemies, you will at some point have to pay for the game and that's how all of these operate and while you could say that some of these games require some "skill" it's literally not much considering how mobile games function and it's usually something along the lines of maybe "timing an attack" or something and that can be done by literally anyone with enough practice, these "games" are just not friendly to Free-to-Play players who just want to get on the game here and there, you have to sit there and grind endlessly and make sure you get on everyday to keep up with dailies and the common consensus is that, with all the people that play these games, the only reason they even do them down the line is just so they can do the dailies and then get off to stay relevant. You could also argue there are some "good quality" ones, like for example, some might bring up Goddess of Victory: Nikke where it does have a bit of a charming story and all that, but overall it's, again, like every other gacha game and delve into the cash-shop and you'll see how expensive the items can get, and in fact, i actually met the number one player on stream, and I asked him," how did you manage to get number one and all that power and how would I be able to get to where you are if I wanted to play?" and he kindly responded, "If you want to get this amount of power, your best bet is to either spend tons of money on the game or buy an account from someone" that was it, the marking of a great player in these games are ones that can through the most money at the wall and you're deemed #1 and I have no real gripes with the guy in question, cause he seemed pretty nice, but there are plenty of players like this and it's hard to look a these individuals as "real players." But, with all that said, it's really not hard to figure out why these "games" aren't really considered games at all, cause there's no real love put into them, they just appeal to the lowest common denominator of player who don't want to put in any real effort or don't like challenges, don't really really care about the quality of the games as long as it has cute characters and outfits they can buy and show off to other players in-game and just in general people that can't help themselves and gambling everything away cause the dopamine rush they get while doing this (and this can happen to anyone by the way), these games are sad and shallow and as much as anyone can say good things about these games, the minute you ask about the cash-shop almost nobody wants to talk about it or down-plays how bad this stuff is when you dive into it even just a little, anyway that's all I gotta say on this.
I agree we should compare it primarily with live service games or games that have built in connection to servers. Also to free to play games. I think the best would be to compare it with MOBAs and card games to see, how close it is really to games like that.
This a western speaking for westerns, Asian do take it seriously that why most profits for gacha comes from them, so shut up you don't speak for the world westerner.
Harsh truth, but every gacha player should be aware of this, but most live in denial. The games are good, but the gacha system is predatory.
Most gacha players know though, they just dont care.
most gacha player doesn't spend a dime, so they, me too included doesn't lose anything, maybe just time but every game does that so whatever
@@ttt5205 They kinda do, actually. Otherwise, they won't use "free pull" or "generous" or "good pity system" as a defense for these games. And let's not forget the "no one cares" crowd.
Maybe use your brain and spend responsibly... I played WoW, a sub in wow is 13 euro per month. I spend 12 euro per month in Wuthering Waves and the gameplay and content is fresh, they do updates every 3 weeks, as opposed to wow every 6 months.... as a company Kuro deserves that money more than Blizz which has become beyond lazy in the last years.
@ The defending comments are more common than you think tho.
Your favorite Gacha game should always qualify as “That 7/10 game that can occasionally feel like a 9/10”. It’ll always be a 7/10 because of what it is: a Gacha Game
And it’s not even because of the slot machine. But because of how much corners they’re cutting because of the model.
Think of how many characters got zero development after their banner has passed. All your Hu Taos and Jiyans. Think of how many character kits have a gameplay of “learn the one and only correct order of pressing buttons and repeat it with no variations whatsoever”, or worse, “skill ult swap”. And then compare that to something like dmc. Think of how many plot holes or boring lazy side quests you encounter per patch and compare to how many you’ve found in proper story driven games like persona series. All of these and more are consequences of gacha model.
Just sell the character, the rest can be a slop and no one’s gonna care.
@@Soundwave1900 People could probably make smaller scale games starring only 1-4 characters from any Genshin or Wuwa region for $40-$60 and it'd probably be a better product than the source material
Imagine a Carlotta spinoff game in the style of Bayonetta, or an Ace Attorney style game starring Fontaine characters. That would honestly be more fun than playing the games they come from
just don't do gacha dude like it's not even that important
why you do gacha? to pull character, for what? clearing harder content, to get what? well another gacha resource
so you don't exactly need to do gacha in gacha games just play it with free character you got and clear all the casual content like a single player game
Nah PGR will always be a 9/10 😂🙏🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
For Westerners: Playing an hour daily for dailies and exploration to farm pulls is normal here in Asia as we usually ride trains to/from work or school. There's nothing else to do. It's better than mindlessly scrolling Tiktok
Triple AAA games I have to buy. Gacha games I can play for free without spending and experience good gameplay and good story, and experience good open worlds. They’re decent enough as games. I can’t believe people refuses to at least acknowledge these as games. They’re fun, and games are supposed to be fun.
Have the characters i want to play on wuwa and only ever got 1 battle pass.. seems like a good deal for 10$ but maybe I'm just a huge sucker
They're fun for like a day or two after it gets repititive doing the same thing over and over again even exploration
He never said they weren’t, he’s just highlighting the severity of gacha games’ monetization models.
Yeah, they're really not that fun. The gameplay is alright with 3d gachas, but what drives the fun is upgrading your characters. You either hit a point where any upgrade is hardly noticeable or you are stuck upgrading and frustrated you don't have any good artifacts/relics which are harshly time gated and more whale bait.
I prefer Gacha Space to return to a niche community that's aware the game they're playing is a kuso game.
Same!! I honestly wanna gatekeep them from weirdoes, people who are unsafe about gambling and children... 😭
They really got too popular huh.
Genshin made us like this.
I preferred it when I was the only one having gambling addict 😭
Gacha games are ok, as long as you're not a compulsive spender/gambling addict, but this games need to be regulated just like casinos, cigarretes, alcohol, etc.
As much as I like Genshin, PGR, and Wuwa, I will always, ALWAYS, put gacha games in the bottom of my list of video games, sinply for the fact that there is a gacha monetization in that game. It's predatory. Full stop. Period. These companies CHOSE to put gacha mechanics as their main monetization practice.
Why can't I just purchase the character directly with a fixed price? Like Warframe, or hell, TFD? Why can't I farm these character directly from gameplay? Instead, I have to do all these things in a roundabout way of getting gacha currency. Why do I have to wait for a "rerun" that's not even guaranteed(mainly Genshin)? Why is the character banner only a month? Instead of, idk a year? Prime Warframes exists in the loot pool for around a year after their release before they are vaulted. And so far there hasn't been any Ultimate Descendants that's been vaulted.
The answer is, because these companies CHOSE to implement these practices. As great and talented the devs are, the company still chose to implement gacha monetization into their games. You can buy warframes directly without any gacha, and Warframe has been going steady for 12 (or was it 13?) years strong.
I like Genshin. Yes, even with all the current controversies around it, I still played the game, even if only for artifacts. I like Wuthering Waves. I think 2.0 was a great update. I like Punshing: Gray Raven. I will continue to play it so I can save Black Cards for the new Lucia CW yakuza skin. But I WILL NOT consider gacha monetization as ANYTHING other than predatory. I'll just let the whales pay the games for me while I wait for Wilds.
Same 100%. The "Games" part of Gacha game is decent to fantastic, but adding the Gacha makes them low tier.
Don't play gacha games then lol why tf you guys whine about gacha when you've AAA games, go buy 60-70 dollars game and enjoy
All your complains was heard in limbus actually.
Glory to Project Moon!
Gacha gamedesign is a donator sifting scheme. All gachas have identical gamedesign, and all gachas only care about player influx being higher than outflux. They will always push monetization as far as their gameplay leverage alows them. Why? Because gachas aren't made to make games.
Gachas are made to get filthy rich by farming duduots.
To take your comparison to warframe, it's because warframe is monetized in many other areas. Craft rushing, skins/helms, frame/weapon/companion slots to name a few. Warframe also relies on its trading system to keep plat in circulation. The way warframe does it, while it is a fixed price, has a lot more monetary stops than a gacha. To compare to something like wuwa, you don't have to pay for more character slots, or echo slots. When you get a weapon you don't have to wait 12-24 hours until you can use it, or spend to immediately use it. You also don't have incredibly rare drops for a character part that requires many many hours of farming, or trading for premium currency.
I love both games, don't get me wrong, but changing a gacha's monetization requires the changing of the entire game and its balance to real money. I don't think it needs changing anyways tbh, you know what kind of game it is going into it, you can choose to not play it of you have a problem with that
Gacha games are like hero shooters: no matter how well the writing and characters are, the genre holds it back.
Gacha games are very fun, and I think the individual teams that work on the games are good, but the overarching company is ALWAYS selfish
Nah bro, I'd rather be able to quit the game for a year then come back to it with its size tripled thanks to constant updates and enjoy the extra content after.
I don't give a damn if it's predatory, lets not pretend to be saints here. Who cares if kids spend 100 bucks from their parents credit card? Definitely not me, nor would it affect me in my sleep. The spending audience can do what they want because its their own money.
The rich people can fund my enjoyment of the game and keep it alive, while I earn all the benefits for free.
What would you rather have? spend money either a subscription or one time buyout and find out that the game is not enjoyable to you and refunds aren't possible or play a f2p game and drop it when its not fun anymore with a choice to spend money
I mean, I would rather play a gacha where it costs me nothing, than triple or quadruple A slop like skull and bones for 90 bucks.
Yeah you better get ready for gach's cc's to find this video💀
The main demographic is otakus, anime fans, with money, so children aren't the main audience, they're just collateral damage as anime is also appealing to children, specially in western countries where cartoons are only for kids, in other countries animation it's just for kids.
I also don't believe in the monetization first notion, if that was the case you wouldn't be able to feel any passion in them, and you can tell when a game has pasion in it, it's on the details and polish, details don't sell games, why flood the games with lore? And if the devs are otakus themselves they probably are making the games for themselves as well, as they wanna make their waifus real like most otakus do, it's pure escapism.
The main issue for me I guess can be explained using an example. Let's take Helldivers 2. Fun game. cost me an awful lot of money I won't usually spend on any game but it was worth it. Until we found out they changed the account setting bs and my friend who wanted to join us could no longer buy it. Then we played Destiny, and that game is shitting itself last I heard. spent money on DLCs but the last few DLCs didn't really feel worth it? Western developers as a whole don't have a good image in my mind these days cuz of a lot of different things I've seen. maybe the only game me and my friends actually love is No man's sky and satisfactory. I don't get DEI forced down my throat wherever I go.
But then I play Arknights which is free. And I'm responsible enough that I never spend money on gacha. but when I do feel like spending I just buy skins with it. and it usually has really good music which at this point is majority of my spotify playlist. It usually has an interesting story to tell every update. so much so that one of its stories got praised by a baldur's gate 3 writer. It's the only gacha game I've loved this much. HSR also had its share of making me excited for a story some time ago. Where gacha games stand, it's still not too focused on the multiplayer experience, as in. not primarily a multiplayer game that can be played solo. And I think by the time that becomes a thing, there'd be 2 very different group of gamers, paying to consume slop western devs make looking for the occasional gem and then another who just don't care.
Gacha games need laws to prevent kids from actually playing them. Or some other regulation that stopped them from spending money on gacha. The issues gacha games have can be solved by changing a regulation. normal people would still spend on the gacha. Issues with much of the western devs' games can't be fixed with just a regulation change. They need to prioritize giving a good experience over prioritizing politics and other bs that isn't related to the game itself. (not saying all of them do but there's a few big devs who are practically dying at this point cuz of all this, taking down beloved franchises with them)
So, modern game industry that is filled with games that all the time asks you for microtransactions, lock big parts of the games behind 100 DLCs, directly sell characters on already P2P games, accidently do those characters OP, like Tekken 7 did, and lock normal speed of progression behind paywalls are better then gachas. Noted.
dude a rollex despite being expensive only gives time. a 5 dollars watch do the same. which one do u think has more consumers?
tell me which paid game has more players than a f2p gacha game like GI, HSR, ZZZ and wuwa connected simultaneously? i think u are right about your analogy on gacha oriantation but i think u failed to take into account that that description only apply before GI release. as of now the majority of gacha players are casuals and normal ppl, with the deranged ppl being the minority.
gacha game are far more accessible than any single player games and if u can manage, u wont even need to pay. it's predatory for sure more than most AAA single player game but if u dont have money or the materiel to run thoses AAA games, it's just useless
Okay, how many of those players are playing for the sake of enjoying the game as opposed to being forced to play it for their free pulls?
One is played for fun and one is being put on a treadmill.
@@ImproperStandby that is simply a matter of perspective and experience. Many people enjoy or dont mind keeping up with their gacha game. Others dont log in daily at all and play whenever there is more content or just whenever they feel like. Sure one is for fun and the other a treadmill, but you're forgetting that treadmills can be fun and that the AAA 'fun' is still hidden behind a 60 dollar paywall, more than most players spend on a gacha game in their lifetime whilst only having a fraction of its content.
@ttt5205 As someone who enjoys gacha and other games, I'm not disagreeing, and I can understand it.
I'm just saying that for me at least gachas are not my main stay nor are they my main focus. I find gachas fun to be in short burst but I also play other games on my Steam Library.
Most AAA games are hit or miss while the AA and Indie scene is popping off and keep in mind the prices for indie games can be fairly cheap and good fun.
Vampire Survivors for one is a cheap game that is way worth the asking price.
That's the problem. Gacha become mainstream enough for lots of people to be okay with it, so games start adopting it when they shouldn't.
@@ImproperStandby like people have never spent hours grinding exp in a single player game
3:43 Also goes for Assasins Creeds last games, but without subscription
people make this shit way too complicated to sound enlightened, smart, be elitist or to glaze their favorite game. im new to gatcha and immediately thought. "if i feel the need to spend more on this than a normal game, or i dont have fun. game bad, will quit. 60 dollar limit short term. if turns into my forever game. mmo sub price max. done. gambling addicts need to stop blaming gatcha for their lack of self control and normal gamers need to put the fedora down already. cigarette smokers never blame manufacturers and thats their damn life. yes that is a self report.
Maybe cigarrete smokers don't complain because unlike gacha games, cigarretes have regulations, cigarretes packages straight encourage you to not smoke while gacha games often sell themselves as "fun games for teenagers"
@sebastiandelvillarmontoya1447 what exactly do you think I'm arguing here? You're missing the plot and choosing to focus on a throwaway analogy. I never said gatcha games were perfect. This video is in the context of the wider communities opinion on gatcha, and how degenerate gamblers and goobers are the loud minority that gets focused on when other communities point fingers at gatcha.
I hadn't even played gatcha untill 2 months ago and I Didn't have nearly as bad as an expierience as they made me feel it would be.
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And going on your assertion, you think if someone doesn't tell you not to do something its not your fault if you do it?
You want the govt to hold your hand on every decision you make or it's not your fault?
I agree regulation needs to be put in place and children shouldn't be allowed to play these games. But that is entirely out of the context of the premise of this video.
So, i believe that i may possibly be the commenter that partially inspired this video lol. First off, let me say...great video. Nice visual breakdown, well done. I'll try my best to respond:
1. Monetization - Not much to say here since I 100% agree. As per my comment on the other vid, "Of course, it’s 100% fine to criticize the monetization", I think that the monetization in gacha games is horrible and I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend it, actually. Some better than others, but still in general, no bueno. And I don't like saying a game is bade because of the monetization because even though the monetization is a big part of the game (HUGE part) it's the content that makes a game good or bad, imo. Content and monetization are 2 very different things.
2. Who the games are dedicated to - This is true. Most if not all gacha games are catored towards children and parasocial weirdos...but aren't most games, in general?? Who is StellarBlade catored towards? Who is Bayonetta catored towards? Let's go even further, who are comic books catored towards with female characters that fight crime in basically bikinis and male characters that have muscles on top of muscles on top of muscles? Point I'm trying to make is if we're being real, there are a lot of games, comics, movies, shows, etc that cator towards children and weirdos and have over sexualized characters. I just mentioned 2 games off the top of my head, but we all know there are tons of games out there that cator towards this certain demographic but other gamers dont consider them "stupid little games lol".
3. FOMO: FOMO exists in gacha games, yes. But again, it's not just gacha games. We're basically talking about any live service games here.
I think I'm just bad at explaining things. It's funny to me that people, especially gamers that love/play/make content on these very same gacha games can say they're just stupid little mobile gacha games when some of them have waaayyyy more fun combat, waaaayyyy better graphics/visuals, waaaaayyyyy better fully orchestrated music, waaaayyyy better designed characters, waaaaayyyy more engaging stories, waaaaayyyyyy better exploration, and waaaaaayyyyyy better lore than 90-95% of other videogames (much of which are AAA videogames) out there right now. I mean, where is the lie in that statement??
I know WuWa is the exception because it's just way better than most gacha games out there but I'm sorry i just have to use it as an example because 2.0 is the latest big gacha release we have and it just did everything right (monetization aside, but i already stated i agree and i think monetization and content should be looked at separately).
I enjoyed the video, though and I'll keepviewing and liking your vids cause i enjoy them. I just hope we start calling out specifically what we don't like in these games instead of just calling out the games as a whole.
1:30 is sending me connor lmfao
All Gacha games have different levels of how F2P friendly it is, and some you can get by playing and even ranking high without ever spending money or just spending like $5-10 a month. Gacha game is all about handling your resources and knowing how to pace your pulls (unless you have money you dont mind spending) which means you can play them for months/years without ever spending money or way less than what you paid for random AAA games you stopped after a few hours. So let me ask you...what is really better? AAA game you spent $60+ that might get you enjoyment for a few hours or maybe just a week? Or a Gacha game that you can play without ever spending money and enjoy it for years?
Yes some games when it comes to banners can be expensive when it comes to pulling... Epic Seven is one of the best gachas when it comes to banners as the new RGB units is 120 pulls for pity and no 50/50, so 120 pulls you WILL get the unit. Yes Moonlight Heroes in E7 is the more expensive one but if you just playing casually or don't care for PvP then you can play without it and those Moonlight are all focused on PvP...but even so even F2P casuals can get plenty of Moonlight units to.
Which is to say that is soo much different than some of the other gachas of course, so trying to use 1 Gacha's expense as branding for all isn't really fair. As you can easily find AAA games that have multiple collectors editions ranging to over $100+, plus a cash shop with Skins, time savers or other stuff like inventory bank/size...and a lot nowadays are Live service games with Battle passes and Loot boxes. AAA games basically just took all the Gacha's monetizations and just stuck it to their AAA game that you had to buy to even play.
Everything was fine and even almost sounded partly professional until you reached the demographic segment of the video, it's not necessarily that you're wrong but the phrasing and theory behind it is a bit questionable, though to cut you some slack you did clarify at 8:49 nevertheless this part is off.
I wish the demographics part was also done in a more objective and direct manor, rather than just a simple perception of... Who...?
Who are these people having this perception, why and how much is that proportionally to the majority or reality of the situation?
It all has to be carefully taken into consideration by presenting the factual statistics behind such statements, otherwise ironically such statements can't be taken seriously.
Furthermore at 10:08 when you explain that gacha games are not "real" games cause they see them as slop to be capitalized on....
Well...
News flash the "real" games are also being blasted by their respective communities to being slop while raising the price, and not to mention how games are becoming political and are pushing agendas.
So at the end of the day gacha specifically target the psychologically weak people with terrible addiction tendencies, especially gambling while on the other hand the alleged "real" games are not progressing in quality and creativity rather pushing alleged political agendas for the sake of relevance by following popular trends to also just hope someone buys the game which as stated already is going higher in price.
The harsh truth is some and maybe most gamers these days just try do enjoy the game for what it is, voice their thoughts and concerns but simply quit and move on if the game isn't to their liking in any way shape or form. ☕
By the way, since it's the only thing I hear about it, a gacha game like Punishing Gray Raven is said to be extremely F2P friendly, allowing for anyone to get enough pulls to get at least 1 copy of every limited character (no need to skip a banner to get enough for the second one)
I personally nevevr experienced this cause usually you need to play almost daily and do every content in the game.
Oh yeah, pgr is very f2p friendly. You do need to do your dailies tho and do the different modes the game offers, but overall it's not that bad to do
@@sharkytooth9292 Do you happen to know how many pulls in total would we get? I know my current account isn't able to finish up all of the content, including event content, and if missing just 1 daily puts us below the guarantee, then that dies make it worse, but if it's extra generous, and give us say, 10 extra pulls, then that's way more lenient
Playing 5 to 10 mins daily is normal in Asia as we usually ride trains to work or school and there's nothing to do
I loved this, breaking it down really shows how gacha really does suck I hooe others come to this realization as well and are able to better navigate gacha games know how predatory they really are. WuWa and Infinity Niki are my time sinks right now, and when someone asks me what I'm playing I say "oh I'm playing -instert gacha name here-" they ask what it is and I with out missing a beat say "a slot machine" lmao
Yeah, i dont get it why gacha titles were at the game awards. We want to see games. Not gambling apps
im just going to say this here and i hope you'll be as open minded as possible, and it's gonna be long so if you're not interested I'll add tldr in the end.
gacha is just part of the game, its the main income source for the game company the same way like micro transaction with other game like fps with their skins and/or battlepass. do you need to spend to get gacha item in gacha games? no not at all, I've played wuthering waves since day 1 and only spend about 5 dollars and still got all the character. how? well in case you never played one, gacha game like wuthering waves (wuwa) have this open world you can explore and find various stuff like chest and random event or side quests. with those stuff you can get your gacha currency for free just by playing the game, not to mention every patch comes with events that also give you the currency. so unlike skins in fps you literally dont need to spend a cent and just play the game for free cuz its f2p. although games from hoyoverse like genshin hsr and zzz have this weapon banner that's quite scammy especially genshin, so as long you're not crazy about the weapons it's not that big of a deal. i suggest avoid playing genshin if you don't want to hate gacha genre cuz they're quite predatory. the game overall is okay, but the gacha is.. just bad
so gacha is a part of the game, but what the game is about, for game like wuwa it's the world exploration, it's currently the best looking world in gacha game and if you use nvidia filter or better yet rtx on, it'll be better than most AAA games nowadays. yes the graphic are insanely good. it's using UE4 as it's engine and they use it to the fullest. other than that? if you're interested in the plot you can do the story, although the first part of the story is suck ass, but after chapter 1 it's all getting good especially the recent update, where you can literally fly around the open world, for free. in wuwa you can also kinda collect echoes which is similar to pokemon but I guess cooler in a way.
so can you play gacha game without gacha? yeah like you can play fps games without the skins, although the character you get from gacha definitely gives you advantage in combat, you're literally having pve combat so it's not that necessary. and unlike skins in most fps games, you don't need to spend a dime and just play the game regularly or once a while to explore and do the event to get gacha currency for free
tldr : gacha is just part of the game and you literally can just avoid it entirely so long you build the free character they give to you in the beginning cuz that's enough to clear all the casual stuff like story and exploration
if you're interested in just trying it out (why not it's literally free) i really recommend playing wuthering waves first, cuz as far as gacha game it's one of the most generous out there for their resource and gacha system unlike most game with the same genre in the market. and the game is beautiful and the animation is smooth asl.
(**for gacha player reading this just calm down, you guys know how shitty genshin wapon banner is and hsr/zzz 70/30 rate on their weapon banner doesn't make it less scammy. so i suggesting wuwa that has 100% rate for their weapon banner)
im not trying to promote gacha game and definitely not the gacha system itself, but if you just ignore the gacha and see for the whole game, i think it's pretty fair to say it's not bad at all
Have you played WuWa little bro? It has better gameplay than most AAA games, why tf were those games at the awards, that's the real question.
@@rayzen119 WuWa is not better than most AAA games at all. What games are you even comparing it to in order to say that???
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What anime-style open world ARPGs to come out within the last few years do you recommend?
Most of the recent "AAA" titles that have been released are uninspired, ugly, bug-ridden messes.
@@lunaticyoshi1 What anime-style open world ARPGs are even there? That's so hyper specific to begin with and most AAA titles aren't even open world games to begin with. That's literally just Ubisoft and no one else.
Like if someone wanted to get deep into combat I'd recommend Tales of Arise, Scarlet Nexus, or Granblue Fantasy Relink.
If someone was more into exploration I'd recommend Octopath Traveler 2 due to its massive map. Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for its explosive movement. Ender Magnolia: Bloom in the Mist would be somewhere in the middle.
My favorite game from the last few years has been Nioh 2. The entire Echo system WuWa uses was lifted straight from that game, but made infinitely more grindy due time restrictions. I'd recommend playing Nioh 2 if you want to see that system without those restrictions
Yes, you can play a gacha game for free, but you need people spending money for the gacha to survive
every live service game does.
This is "firts world problem analysis" at its best, at least myself a "growing economy ihabitant" when I play a gaccha game, I dont spend money because my family needs those resourcess, I dont have parasocial relationships because I have a wife and children to atend to, and lets be real, if you prefer to stare at the hairy sweaty butt of monkey king Sun Wukong instead of any good looking character from Nikke, ZZZ or Wuthering Waves, thats on you
Gacha used to be justified back in the 2000s and maybe even 2010s era of gaming.
But those worked only for Free to Play titles. Even then that crap only worked on teens and young adults.
Gacha these days, especially in buy to play games is just.. yeah nah that needs to go. The common gamer ain't got the money to gamble anymore.
Me: Gambling is bad!!
People: Really? Do you play gacha games?
Me: Yes?
People: Hahahahahaha!!!
"Just have better luck bro" - Me, a F2P Mavuika main.
You could also say the same thing about triple A games.
These new 3d gachas are good games, but they put the gameplay behind their gacha system, which is super annoying. It is meant to get you frustrated until you spend lol. Like I just want to play the game, but any challenging gameplay is behind the slot machine.
The only thing my complain to gacha game is how expensive they are.
Majority of gacha is anime and anime fanbase is weirdos. Gacha player is weirdos is given.
Why the hell are you even spending anything on gacha.
it literaly the only the mobile game that 3d action RPG instead of 2d sprite resources management game and the gameplay is not suck, good animation during story climax and animated birthday CG is frequent. After Genshin lots mobile game with 3d with various genre and gameplay is born. I feel it money well spent if that money goes to that. Now they have cashcow and does not need my money. They decrease the game quality and I will not spend money at them, it simple. Their great quality need to be appreciates.
i like live service games but at the same time I hate gambling.
i can't agree with that demographic, unless you only want to talk about the ones that log in to such games on a daily basis without a doubt, but otherwise the type of game and style is still more relevant what people will try those out and possibly play more often on a casual basis, barely anybody is playing a game for the reason it is a gacha itself, thats just a monetisation method
you wanna know the real problem? it's cuz western AAA games are trash that people turns to a predatory but fun to play gacha games. Western devs should pull their backs together if they want to retain their companies or else they'll fall like Ubish1ts
prob gonna take close to half a decade to clean the "Unqualified" Devs and finally pick up the steam tbh. I think a majority of Western Games are literally in the toilets...so Gacha games are lik the only other way to enjoy things.
My personal favorite right now is Wuthering Waves but for all of them I can say the same thing. The games would be better without gacha monetization. "But they have to make money somehow!?" Path of Exile. Also live service. Also free to play. Fuck off. Goodbye.
In other news since Connor's come back, he's gotten way more spicy! Connor villain arc? I'm liking it 😈
You could pay the upfront price and sub of ffxiv, and then just play a game where everyone has the same item level and stats for all intent and purpose.. how is that less predatory than something like SLA or WuWa..
Theres a lot of enjoyable aspects of these games, for example honkai games have a very anime like story which is pretty interesting and really well thought out lore, but their gacha mechanics are horrendous but if you only care about the story then you don't even have to pull like ever.
but imo games with a gacha mechanic should NEVER be marketed towards children. No Matter how good the game is. Its literally gambling. I dont understand how its normalised. I say only children but i mean at the very least children+warnings before you play that it has those scammy mechanics.
Some of us DON'T CARE 😊 about those community.
We play on our pace😊
Tbh, I just view gacha CC and comments as entertainment. I don't get how people can get angry and even attempt to assassinate CEOs based on a gacha game or community. 😮
There is assasination attempt to another gacha game devs?
The only assasination attempt i knew is to hoyo founder because bunny girl and global anniversary situation.
My money refuse Ur video and those crap you explained 🤣
by gacha you just mean hoyoverse games
Gacha games is not the joke. The community believing, thinking that they are gambling. That’s the joke. Like I can walk in into a gambling house and walk out with more money than I walked in with so the community thinking they’re playing a gambling game is the biggest joke ever
I disagree.
Gacha is gambling, even if you don't come out of the gane with more money.
@ exactly people like you are proving my point like you can’t even spell game
@lesath7883 You probably don't know how gacha works. At a certain point, you're guaranteed to get the item you want. Let's say, 110th pull, a number of gacha players farm or buy 110 pulls so it's like they are just buying the item directly. If you get the item early, then it's a bonus
@genshinfinity Oh, great.
Of course if someone does not agree with you, they must benignorant.
That only shows you are full of yourself.
I have been playing gacha games for a decade, child. And not all of them have the pity system you mention.
@@Trollnofilter People like me understand how gacha is gambling.
You are in denial.
And believing that a typo makes your case stronger only shows you are dumb.
Gachas ar predatory and should be regulated imo. At least make it that any game with gacha in it gets 18+ rating
Laugh ? Not taking seriously ? Bro right now youre triple AAA games is the one being laugh , youre triple AAA woke game is fckng dead , 70 to 90$ for a game with less content lol
Go off king 😂😌
6:05 you dont need to spend money cause you can get in game free pulls '-'
"free pulls" don't exist. They take your time and you have to grind for them with some gacha having terrible paywalled exploration system.
@@zennaonthez free pulls in open world gacha games comes mainly from exploration and quest so it will come naturally as you play the game. You don't want to do that? Then what else you want to do in the game? might as well not play it lmao
@@axelize9094 do you gacha players even know what "free" means? Spending your time on ANYTHING doesn't make it "free". Gosh y'all so dense.
@@axelize9094 I love exploration but when it's not in Genshin, their exploration is terrible and they need to learn stuff from other games. How is it free when it's not even fun?
@@zennaonthez fake free pulls come from dailies that can take as low as 1 or 2 minutes in ZZZ for example, free pullsare given when you log in, free pulls are given when you enjoy the game. Is taking your time the same as playing, because if thats the case then all games take your time, stop being retarded.
Where's the gambling addict market?
Your not wrong about this but to me nowdays AAA games mostly are crap they also become joke with ugly character design, Dei and woke agenda, unfinished product, season battle pass and so on, only some new title game are decent to play, for me the best experience as a gamer are in late 90 and mid 2010. This downgrade quality in AAA also one of the reason Gacha game become mainstream couple with how it's free and got constant updates make gacha game populars and of course gacha game had predatory system to gain revenue.
Based on the current trend and soon to be new launches, I predict Gacha will gain significant foothold in the gaming market in 2025, in small part also fueled by DEI and sloppy triple A titles recently.
I mean if gacha games are supposed to be straight up $60 games, most of us broke ass/small dolphins wont be able to purchase it directly as it takes time to hoard the cash and also, once you end the purchased game, what's then? No replayable contents, no new developments, no innovation, instead we do what? Wait for them to drop dlc and buy again?
Its like you guys gripe with wanting to get every characters and yet cry about why the characters cost currency once your bad decision making drains all the free currency
Just look at the current Wuthering community, its full of self inflicted drama.. Thats why noone takes gacha games seriously and calls them a joke.
Gacha games are never taken seriously, due to the fact that, these "games" exist to do nothing but suck your wallet dry and bring in the "whales" and the people with addictive tendencies, the player-base's in these games are generally not that good either as most of them tend to over obsess on these games to the point that if they feel you are talking about it in a "negative-light" they'll immediately pounce on you and give you a complete run-down of why "their" gacha game is superior to those others and if you ask them about the cash-shop, it'll typically be, "Well, it can be a little pricey, but overall you can get through the game without having to spend anything!" Until you realize just like every other gacha game if you want to make any substantial progress or if you do PvP and want to keep up with the meta and for PvE to keep up with the increasing power-creep of such enemies, you will at some point have to pay for the game and that's how all of these operate and while you could say that some of these games require some "skill" it's literally not much considering how mobile games function and it's usually something along the lines of maybe "timing an attack" or something and that can be done by literally anyone with enough practice, these "games" are just not friendly to Free-to-Play players who just want to get on the game here and there, you have to sit there and grind endlessly and make sure you get on everyday to keep up with dailies and the common consensus is that, with all the people that play these games, the only reason they even do them down the line is just so they can do the dailies and then get off to stay relevant.
You could also argue there are some "good quality" ones, like for example, some might bring up Goddess of Victory: Nikke where it does have a bit of a charming story and all that, but overall it's, again, like every other gacha game and delve into the cash-shop and you'll see how expensive the items can get, and in fact, i actually met the number one player on stream, and I asked him," how did you manage to get number one and all that power and how would I be able to get to where you are if I wanted to play?" and he kindly responded, "If you want to get this amount of power, your best bet is to either spend tons of money on the game or buy an account from someone" that was it, the marking of a great player in these games are ones that can through the most money at the wall and you're deemed #1 and I have no real gripes with the guy in question, cause he seemed pretty nice, but there are plenty of players like this and it's hard to look a these individuals as "real players."
But, with all that said, it's really not hard to figure out why these "games" aren't really considered games at all, cause there's no real love put into them, they just appeal to the lowest common denominator of player who don't want to put in any real effort or don't like challenges, don't really really care about the quality of the games as long as it has cute characters and outfits they can buy and show off to other players in-game and just in general people that can't help themselves and gambling everything away cause the dopamine rush they get while doing this (and this can happen to anyone by the way), these games are sad and shallow and as much as anyone can say good things about these games, the minute you ask about the cash-shop almost nobody wants to talk about it or down-plays how bad this stuff is when you dive into it even just a little, anyway that's all I gotta say on this.
Why are you comparing gacha games to triple a games instead of other live service games?
Why not. When will they change or get better if we don't hold on to our standard.
@@dingdong3335 Maybe Because the one with that budget wants to be treated like one.
I agree we should compare it primarily with live service games or games that have built in connection to servers. Also to free to play games.
I think the best would be to compare it with MOBAs and card games to see, how close it is really to games like that.
Triple A can be live service, and gacha can have triple A budget.
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No one cares
cared enough to comment
@@r3playyyy caring implies a positive, he wasn't positive, was he?
LOL
This a western speaking for westerns, Asian do take it seriously that why most profits for gacha comes from them, so shut up you don't speak for the world westerner.