Having not read actually read the play, I wouldn't personally assume anything. That's like Mary Whitehouse telling us all horror films are nasty, without having seen any.
I'm a father of a young woman so pay £5 a month to the UK charity 'Sex Matters' who work to protect women's natural rights to safe spaces and respect for women's dignity and safety generally.
@@michellej1372 I can't imagine it'll be a good play but yeah the attention over it will definitely draw people. He says he's gearing up for terf protests. I'd be delighted if not a single person protested just to show that freedom of speech is something for everyone not just people you agree with
@@souxcasa The best outcome would be for it to be simply ignored, or greeted with yawns. There is something not only presumptuous but also insufferably tasteless about creating theatrical fiction by putting his own imagined words into the mouth of Rowling -- or, for that matter, Radcliffe, Watson and Grint -- on the basis of a feeble conceit of the latter as the "surrogate children" of the former. And all, so far as we can tell from this interview, with a bare minimum of research into either the issues involved or the real people he has chosen to fictionalize in this way.
"The controversy over trans rights". No, Mr Kaplan. The controversy (your word) about WOMEN'S rights. Although why such a subject should be controversial, I've no idea. Any decent man would want to protect the women in his life.
@@richardPhilips2 Too old to have read the books and never seen a film . . but I did walk past her house today - man, she's got the biggest hedge I ever saw!
The play is fiction, according to the author, yet it talks about the earlier life of J K Rowling - a real person. Publishing fictions about living people can be libellous.
@@marieparker3822He'll certainly know this. Lawyers will be watching, and he'll be crossing his fingers - although I expect it's been reviewed for possible defamation already.
@@marieparker3822 you're right, we should ban all biopics, blanket ban, shut them all down, any time a fictionalised Churchill has been depicted on film remove it. Artists have no right to depict public figures even if they explicitly claim it's fictional.
@@catross3713 There are a couple of catch all legal phrases that are used for these situations. 1. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental. 2. This work of fiction is based on a true story. However, my interest in this utter dullard of a playwright does not extend to caring as to whether he is aware of these or not.
@@devilsfavorite999 Of course we don't. His lesbian friends (if any) must be a great deal more "tolerant" than mine if he gets away with that in real life.
I love Julie Bindel. Clear-thinking, principled and beautifully articulate. Unlike Josh who starts from a fixed ideological position ('TERFS are bad"), who totally avoids learning anything about the issue other than his own point of view and who then creates J.K. Rowling as his 'straw monster' constructed entirely of HIS own confections of what he imagines are her daddy issues. So he can knock her down and bask in all that virtuous glow. The man is as tired and empty as he looks.
His constant, annoying upspeak seems appropriate? Like he's unsure of every sentence he speaks? His intonation urges him to question the content of his words? Very Freudian, his unconscious is aware he's speaking non stop nonsense?
Kaplan is an internet troll who couldn't get arrested in a meriticracy. An adult infant chasing notoriety by insulting the talented because he has no talent to sell.
Not only that but he’s saying “hmm can’t enjoy Harry potter anymore” bruhhhh it’s a children’s book series… infantile kid wannabe u can guess his proclivities
"I've never used Twitter" -- said the man who wrote a play about a conversation on Twitter. "You're using this as a podium" -- said the man using the Edinburgh Festival as a podium.
@@wardygrub I mean it. I have four daughters and five granddaughters. It appals me that a tiny number of ideologists can try to overturn hard fought for women’s rights. I wouldn’t want to be the man in a dress who followed my granddaughter into the ladies (etc). Of course there are genuine cases and they must be treated sensitively. But it’s gone too far. Twenty years ago none of this would have been tolerated.
@@niguel4438 trans people have been using the bathroom with cis people your whole life mate so what are u on about. Plus I'm a trans woman cis passing and white passing even though I'm latina so I get to experience white privilege first hand but I do face misogyny and sexism still which sucks but other than that I just live my life.
@@wardygrub y'all are reinforcing stereotypes again and again and what do you mean by "true gentlemen"? Like what makes someone a "true gentleman"? Is it their privates or something? Idk.
He refuses to engage with Bindel on the basis that she hasn't seen the play, yet when given the opportunity to summarise the play at the beginning of the interview, he declined. What he thought the point of the interview was (other than to talk sh*te), I don't know.
It's ludicrous, isn't it? In the song _That's Entertainment!_ , lyricist Howard Dietz famously summarized the plot of _Hamlet_ : "A ghost and a prince meet, and everything ends in mincemeat." Without being quite as terse as that, I'm pretty sure I could answer a question about what happens in the play without just telling you to go sit through all 140 or so minutes of it and find out, though perhaps W. Shakespeare himself, who, like this guy, wanted to sell seats to its performance, might have been more reticent.
This man seems unable to articulate what his play is about. Lots of evasive eye movements & dismissive shrugs as a response to simple questions. What a grifter
Yes a total grifter! Not at all unlike the woman opposite who offers to appear to give her opinion on this show regarding a play she hasn't even bothered to actually go and see.
He daren't properly articulate what it's about, because he knows it's utterly biased against gender critical feminists and Bindel would eat him alive. As would Rowling. What a snivelling coward he is.
You know that Josh Kaplan has lost the plot and all credibility when he resorts to saying "I'm done with this" when exposed and challenged to comments he can't handle. He's all over the place and unable to articulate a clear, coherent argument. If his play is anything like this performance... well... 😒
Let us hope that he is sued for defamation. Being the product of the American education system, it is hardly surprising that is semi-literate .... on a par with George Doubleyer Bush .... Donny Trumperty-tumperty-tump-tump.
@@Amanda-xx7sj of course not! He wouldn’t (& shouldn’t) get away with writing a play with a slur as a title, denigrating Black Lives Matter activists as a white man, but it’s fine for him to denigrate women as a man. It always is. :-(
Let's try it this way around, "there's no way that a cis woman can fully understand the mindset and lived experience of a trans person worried about the full scale assault on their human rights."
@@RaveyDavey If you aren't aware of it then you aren't the right person to comment. The attack on trans people has been going on for almost a decade now, here, in the US, and beyond. Promises made by governments to make trans lives easier were dropped because of this assault, just ask Theresa May.. If women have human rights, which they do, so do trans people, but their rights are deliberately being pushed back by a group that has more power in society than a few thousand transwomen, cis women. Equality isn't divisible, but rights sometimes have to be shared to prevent a greater injustice.
@@bweb6 You assume that someone who doesn't want to waste money pandering to a marble-mouthed mysogynist watches Love Island. Ohhhh they have a difference of opinion - they MUST have low class tastes. What an illogical leap.
@@gordonsirmond9584 Thanks for the Reminder that WOMEN and GIRLS must fight for the right to Define ourselves, our destiny, and experience as women and girls. Because INCREDIBLY a bunch of males with fantasies in their heads and feelings in special parts of their bodies are COMPELLED to identify themselves as girls or women. And these men and boys insist they are entitled to everything women and girls have because they are males and will throw a tantrum at minimum if they don't get their way. Classic narcissism fuels this male entitlement.
Yet another woman telling trans people that their rights are secondary to women's rights. There is no hierarchy of rights, we have to co-exist which will always mean compromise.
Its the level of discourse she is used to. Horrible woman who made her career by belittling men and is probably only anti-trans because it gives her an avenue to continue to do and get paid for it. No idea why the spectator think she has anything useful to add to the discussion but not at all surprised her only episodes are pinata-esque men for her to knock down.
I was genuinely surprised how badly Bindel did given what a complete muppet this guy is. Accusing him of "just writing what's in his head" was risible - that's literally what authors do.
“I used a word as my play title that I didn’t understand because I’m American.” I know he’s a misogynist, but surely even he doesn’t think women are stupid enough to fall for that line?
That isn't what he was asked. He was asked whether being an American he was fully aware that some people in Britain may find the use of TERF more offensive than Americans do. The moderator specified New York when referring to his origins. Kaplan replied that he wasn't fully aware of the supposed difference.
@@sylvierogers Trans exclusionary radical feminist, TERF is the acronym. It's regarded by radical feminists here in Britain who wish to exclude trans women from women's spaces as insulting. Since it describes what they are trying to do it's hard to see why.
I can't help but feel a bit sorry for this guy. He doesn't realise that he's the bad guy, hasn't the intelligence to describe his own play but thinks he can go up against Julie Bindel. He seems like he's never been out of his own echo chamber.
I really had the impression he had never heard of Julie Bindel, and had not the remotest idea what sort of criticism he could expect from her. Too arrogant even to look her up to give himself a clue, just as he apparently did not find it necessary to do any real research into either the issues or the real people he fictionalizes in his play.
@@annal2740 He should have known better than to come messing with our home Terf. "He is dead and gone, lady, He is dead and gone. At his head a grass-green Terf, At his heels a stone."
Ironic he’s accusing Julia not knowing what the play is about from not reading tweets and other things when he probably not read any tweets from JKRowling.
WHAT exactly are T rights? To have the rest of us to pay for mutilating procedures? To convince gay kids that there is something wrong with them requiring mutilation?
The "rights" that they want are specifically about getting access to and dominating vulnerable women and young people, purely for their fetishistic thrills. It's 100% a dominance thing and entirely confined to heterosexual males who do it as a sexual fetish, rather than males who, usually from a young age, genuinely believe themselves to be born in the wrong body and are almost always attracted to males.
I’m a 75 year old heterosexual male feminist and totally agree with everything Julie says. I may not be the brightest of people but the original title says everything about the timbre of this play.
I'm a 65 year old heterosexual male ex-feminist. Been a feminist all my life since a teenager. Now I realise all this nasty, divisive tribal social civil warfare is actually down to the Feminist movement. They've wanted everyone to hate white/straight/(esp.)males for FOREVER - and now everywhere is just awash with anger, hatred, victimhood etc. We were actually doing *_so well_* until the pendulum overswung, pushed damn hard by the feminist 'left'.... Now, all of a sudden, the prospect of The Left eating itself through the trans/terf conflict is actually quite encouraging...
@@danguee1 So basically you don't women to vote, have jobs, etc. I am a Feminist but I don't hate any males for just being male. Obnoxious, arrogant ones maybe, but I would also hate obnoxious, arrogant females. Many Feminists are happily married to successful white males. I totally dislike this "playright", it does not mean I hate "white males". People are individuals.
@@danguee1 No male is a feminist, it is about the voices of women. We're not all Liberal feminists either. More divisions, it has always been about the political, economic, socetial impacts on women. (Born female) liberal feminists like to exclude those of us who are not liberal and have different opinions. I reject that, they do not have the dogma on this. Males are welcome to support feminists.
@@shylockwesker5530 His rabbit in the headlights expression shows he didn't realise that it would be such hard work justifying trying to make a buck by making stuff up about J K Rowling.
Either the host or Julie SHOULD have read Rowling's initial tweet, at least, so everyone could hear how reasonable it was and had NOTHING to do with being "anti'trans". This guy clams he never read Rowling or anyone else's tweet... but he wrote a play about it? What a moron.
Right. Commenters complain no one's seen the play (which hasn't opened) but presume to comment on it, but no one complains Kaplan knows nothing about social media but writes a play about it.
And no surprise, the writer is a white, middle class millennial American. Espousing his luxury beliefs for all his worth (probably a Harry Potter fan as a kid - her biggest critics usually are!)
"White middle class male class male". Isn't he a gay Jew? Dismal American identity politics to fight dismal American identity politics? There is a degree of astonishing hypocrisy going on here from the people who endlessly complain they are being cancelled for their views. If he attacked Rowling as a white, privately educated billionaire you'd have said that was as Ad Hominem. How is this any different from the loonies who attacked Rowling about her murder mystery with the autogynophile killer and tried to get it pulled BEFORE it was even published?
These tantruming toddlers don't have an argument. He was asked on The Spectator to have a debate and he pouts because Julie is right and he can't defend himself.
His claim “You’ve not seen the play” is pathetic. I’ve not been to the moon. Therefore I can’t possibly ever talk about it, according to his warped logic.
@@BN-hk6wf No but you can ask people who have been to the moon, if you're quick, what it's like or any of the numerous scientists who study it. The position with this play is equivalent to Bindell declaring the in 1963 that the moon is made of Camembert!
@@Kelsea-im8ob Why are you simping for someone who is too incompetent to defend themselves adequately when given ample opportunity to defend themselves in their chosen medium of words? Can you imagine Oscar Wilde being so utterly, stupefyingly boring?
This guy can't sell his work. He is rambling and all over the place. No confidence in his own work. An opportunist who is riding JK's coattails. "You haven't seen the play, Julie, you haven't read the play." Thank the stars for her. She doesn't need to. She saw this poor excuse for promotion.
You're making things up. He's selling the play fine. He described the plot and left some room for mystery. You sound like a gender ideologue, like saying something will make it true.
For a playwright, he is rather inarticulate and shows himself as captured by this ridiculous ideology. Julie on the other hand is eloquent and straightforward in her response.
Are you a bot? Or are you a postmodern feminist who thinks words create reality like the TRAs do? Because look at how it's working out for them. Or did you listen to this and actually come away with the impression that Julie came out on top? Her last statement was super sharp, but in the middle there she was grasping at straws, and there was nothing about him that was inarticulate, if you could point me to a timestamp when he couldn't answer a question I'd be surprised.
Julie Bindel presents her position clearly and with energy. She is a serious and very capable advocate for women's rights who has given decades to the cause.Josh seemed unwilling or unable to engage with her arguments.
I would've respected her take more had she even bothered to go and see or even read the transcripts of the play she's now criticising. Ultimately i suppose we're all just slaves to our mortgage payments.
@@bweb6 There you go again. How many times do you have to be reminded that the play has not yet been performed anywhere outside The Actors Studio in New York City last February, and, to the best of my knowledge, the script has not been published.
I'm a playwright and novelist, and there's something very unprofessional about using actual, living, contemporary people. (You know that bit we write at the beginning - any resemblance to people living or dead etc etc.) If you're going to do this, surely you change enough details. Unless, of course, you know you'll get a lot of free publicity.
I'm not a writer. I think it can be done, as long as the utmost seriousness and care are exercised. To do it casually or propagandistically is very shoddy indeed.
@@notreallydavid I would be cautious, but yes, if you intend to fully understand each side - ESPECIALLY the one you disagree with - if it's fair minded, not just thinly-veiled propaganda, then yes, it could be done. The Crown has taken living people and fictionalised them, and even then, we see people who think that was exactly how events happened, rather than a drama based on real events. I haven't seen his play, perhaps it is sympathetic to both sides, putting forth thoughtful arguments in order to diffuse an ugly area of debate. I don't know.
The so-called controversy relates to women's rights, not trans rights. JKR has no issue with trans people; her truck is with women's rights being eroded by ideologues which sadly seems to be pretty much all of the trans rights mob (or the most vocal of them at least)
I presume he only agreed to this interview for publicity. Why else would you subject yourself to the utter pasting he must have known he would get from an opponent who had more knowledge, intellectual ability and verbal erudition than he did? I watched him shrivel up in real time. Loving your work, Julie.
Had he been more eloquent, I could have believed that the play might actually explore something interesting. But not even being able to clearly set the stage about what JK Rowling actually tweeted and how the 3 actors responded to it makes me believe that this person did zero research and further, formed his own, interesting opinions about the matter. He unravels too quickly on basic things when being put to the test of scrutiny.
Somehow, I doubt it (your first sentence). A press release advertising the show claims: "Please note: TERF C**T is not a kill piece. It provides space for reflection and ultimately offers the audience time to explore some of the more contentious aspects of JK's life. ..... "Joanne led a blessed life - for a woman. Billionaire. Literary phenomenon. Natural ginger. And most importantly, beloved. Completely beloved. Until she blew it all to hell. "Now, Joanne's surrogate children - Daniel, Rupert, and Emma - have had enough. It's time for an intervention. But Joanne isn't in the mood for one, especially not one held at a Shoreditch 'test kitchen' organised by three overentitled Judases who know nothing about the world into which they were born with platinum spoons (thanks to her). "From book deals to divorces, family dysfunction to broken friendships, TERF C**T goes beyond the headlines to explore the woman that captivated a world with her books only to unravel a legacy with her tweets." mickhartley.typepad.com/blog/2024/01/terf-ct.html
Why didn’t he just change all the names? That would have been a much more subtle way of commenting and would defuse any mistakes he might make on the various people in the play’s position. But he wants to have a go, to troll, to incite and ride Rowling’s coat tails to fame. An attention seeker.
So this random guy decided to leech off JK’s fame by making a play about her and the three main stars of Harry Potter, though he’s never met or conversed with any of them? Typical far left narcissism if you ask me.
This guy, who no-one has ever heard of, thinks he can 'mansplain' the issues of gender ideology via a play, using famous names to get his name out there. Really? You think you can write a 'fictional' play about JK Rowling's life without even speaking to her????? What planet are you living on?
@@jemimajefferson1497 Seen the play? I thought not. You’re worse than him. You are going to shesplain his play not having seen it at all. At least his play is based on what Ms Rowling HAS published, in books, & interviews, and on social media. Is that enough? Perhaps not. But his kettle’s not as black as your pot.
@ElSasser2007 Why the HELL would we give money to this mysogynist? FYI using the C word in the title of the play signals to all women their bodies are just pieces of sexualized meat for men to degrade. HARD pass. Also Transactivists have a LONG history of not reading or even taking the time to read the Cass Review or WPATH Files or crime stats of TIM which are free and in the public domain. They would prefer to promote medical harm to children and general harm to women and girls. I am sure sex realists would be ready to read the script of the play for free - but they damn well are not going to put any money in this man's pocket to do so.
Have you read the play or seen it performed? If not, like Bindel, then you don't know what you are talking about. It may be hideous but you won't know that because you have already dismissed it and its author as misogynistic.
@@ElSasser2007the play has not yet been performed so how could she see it?! This was his opportunity to explain its premise and promote it which he failed spectacularly to do
She leans too heavily on victimhood and accusations of violence, even though that's the same tool the other side uses, and still believes it would work. This is a conversation about a play, not male violence. I think Julie is a bit out of her depth even though she's on the right side. His play sounds interesting, but definitely a fluff piece for the trans movement. Maybe it will get people thinking.
@@Goddess_Freyjaaa If you think that's the main issue in every discussion, you're being reductionist. Julie Bindel was asked specific questions about the play, and in some cases deflected and talked about male violence instead, because she didn't see the play, since it's not out yet. It's excessive.
@@Kelsea-im8ob she could’ve commented on the play if the nitwit would characterize it in any way at all, yet he did not. I think it is highly relevant considering the only synopsis he gave besides the cast being a family, is the claim the play involves the clash between trans & women’s rights. The rights women fought & won, that they are currently fighting to maintain. Meanwhile all he could defer to were tweets, all while claiming he doesn’t use twitter. He has no concept of why feminists are fighting for what they are fighting for, which is the threat of violence from men in their spaces, which has been legally protected since the Geneva convention’s inception, & opportunities stolen by men in sports, housing, employment, etc. In his mind we’re just meanies who hurt mens feelings on the internet. To say Julie is just mirroring the other sides tactic is a cop out, it is born out by the statistics that these men who claim to be women are more likely to be sex offenders than that of the general male population. Of course Julie won’t see the half baked, un researched play, he doesn’t deserve to profit off of depicting fantasies of public figures sensitive life matters. The play isn’t even until Aug anyway so your comment is redundant, all she had to go off of was his poorly articulated description.
Think it's safe to say Julie won this debate. She was spot on all the way through while Kaplan often couldn't articulate a response culminating in him declaring himself 'done' with that part of the conversation.
His excusing his use of slurs is a clear sign of his thirst for 'controversies'. I predict the next agenda will be more 'child friendly' if you catch my drift.Repulsive, fame hungry and ultimately vapid.
You should have this Josh back on after his play has been performed so that he can't hide behind "well you haven't seen the play" He's courting controversy, hate farming. It's a useful tool for the creatively bankrupt.
@fazzieman674yeah I also felt bad for him being exposed as a anti feminist on live tv. that has got to be uncomfortable when your self-conception is that of liberal person.
This interview is too early. The guy come off as a grifter who is trying to capitalise of Rowling's fame bit knows nothing. Having the interview after the play had been shown would restrict is ability to evade with "you haven't seen it." I'm not keen on Bindle but she runs rings around him.
Very interesting conversation as always. He had absolutely nothing to say. And, being a gay man using the term terf? And terf cu*t originally? It speaks volumes about what he thinks of women. We know full well how some gay men feel about women. Show your true colours.
According to this source ruclips.net/video/S3gqCUUXOkc/видео.html , he "identifies as a gay man". He what now? Is he or isn't he (assuming we care)? Or is being gay now also something we can "identify" in and out of? According to other sources, he describes himself as “queer-identifying” (big surprise!).
@@petretepner8027 Pots and kettles, whatever you demand for yourself you can't deny others. Equality isn't hierarchical, rights sometimes have to be shared to prevent a greater injustice.
@@petretepner8027 What nonsense is this? If I as a gay man say I'm a gay man I'm identifying as a gay man, what is it about that simple statement of the obvious you don't yet understand? I'm also a man of colour, I identify as such. I'm also part Chinese, part Indian, part African Caribbean and part European and I also identify with all of that. Got it now? Good. Now go and have a little lie down while your brain cools.
The playwright dissembling at the end about his use of the TERF acronym was pretty pathetic. Someone who was going to call his play "TERF C**T" can't be unaware of what he was doing or the impact it would have. A sad example of acting in bad faith.
He was aware, it's not a big deal, it's just an inflammatory style of naming plays. I seriously think you and Bindel just don't get it and are making it a bigger deal than it is. Some of the other names they mentioned as okay, also haven't been fully reclaimed.
It's interesting that Kaplan states the play is about talking across divides, and yet he is unable to communicate effectively or honestly across a divide.
Yes, J. Kaplans comments are disingenuous and he twists the facts in to a pretzel! For all his BS his mates spreading dog faeces over J.K. ROWLINGS front door cuts through how despicable and dishonest his argument actually is! Josh Kaplan's entire stance is flawed and rambling! He hates lesbians who do not want to share their toilet space with gay men in dresses!? That seems a reasonable proposition if you ask me?
Well done Julie …. I’m a writer and I would never write an article, book or play without research 🧐 I do not get him at all.. I believe he is using controversy for fame and success of the play 😡
So a clueless writer just writes a play about a subject he has only ever heard one side of, without bothering to do his research first; and portrays personal details of a womans' life without even bothering to contact the woman concerned.
@@bweb6 Why should any so called TERF watching it? Kaplan said in the first few mintutes it is about trans rights. He clearly views the fight for women`s single spaces and sports as "anti-trans.
@@bweb6 You keep repeating variants on this comment, despite being repeatedly reminded that *nobody* has seen the play yet, except perhaps some members of The Actors Studio in New York City. Any of our opinions must necessarily be based on what the author has to say about it, which does not inspire confidence that it is anything worth watching.
@@petretepner8027 Then why bother to comment at all? Most critics at least wait to see the play before they rush to rubbish it, I see you like to get your retaliation in first.
It is very gracious of JKR to uphold free speech. But I find it intolerable that this despicable character is trying to make a name for himself at the expense of her fame and dragging her reputation through the mud. She should sue Kaplan to the ground.
Come off it, he's a very successful screen writer with a major serries now running on the BBC, Tokyo Vice. At least try to be balanced if you can't stop yourself from posting.
@@karimalhassani3830 Oh yes, I'm sure writing a script for one whole episode out of 18 in Tokyo Vice was his major breakthrough. And let's not forget his illustrious role as script coordinator on 8 other episodes - truly the pinnacle of prestige in television writing. Clearly, these monumental achievements totally justify using JK Rowling's name for publicity. She should actually be grateful to be chosen as a subject by such a prominent author. Sarcasm aside: This doesn't change my perception of him. I still think he's not a good person and I condemn his doings.
@@mrwhatever1970 So you agree that's Kaplan is a successful screen writer and not a talentless hack desperate to ride on Rowling's coattails. I guess that's progress. Most series have many writers, especially US series, and often more than one per episode, but talentless hacks don't get to be amongst them on high profile and big budget series. But then you already knew that, didn't you?
@@karimalhassani3830 I would assume that it doesn't take an excessive amount of talent to coordinate scripts for such series. There are numerous such employees; for this series alone, he's one of twelve. Who knows, maybe he's even one of the most talented writers. But it's not about his talent. It's about his level of fame, which he's trying to increase with this controversial piece.The film and television industry is currently permeated with woke activism, so strategically, he's not doing a bad job riding that horse.
@@SiL-uj2zl SImply not true. See, for example, this extract from her criticism of liberal feminism in Aljazeera, from November 2020: "It is the same with the thorny issue of whether or not transgender women should be regarded as women per se. Liberal feminists imagine that, with their personal empowerment and focus on bettering the mind through education, they will never end up in prison or in a psychiatric ward. Perhaps, bearing in mind that liberal feminists are almost always middle to upper middle class, they also assume they will not need the services of a domestic violence shelter. Partly as a result of the liberal support for extreme transgender ideology, a number of female-only services providing direct support for women and their children who are the victims of male violence are under pressure to admit male-bodied trans women. Liberals have successfully argued that trans women should be allowed in the women’s prison estate, including those that are convicted sex offenders. Female-only clubs and sporting facilities are also under threat. For instance, despite widespread protest, Girlguiding has a policy that boys who identify as girls can join all of its activities without the girls or their parents being told. That also goes for adult volunteers working with the children and includes overnight camps. Liberal feminists are so scared of offending men that they bend over backwards to maintain the status quo as opposed to seeking proper liberation for women. They are happy to be given a seat at the table where they might get thrown a few crumbs, rather than taking an axe and smashing it to smithereens. If men support a particular type of feminism that should be a clue as to its ineffectiveness. Feminism should be a threat to men because we are seeking liberation from patriarchy, which means that they lose the privilege they were afforded at birth by simply owning a penis. Naked statues of women will neither help feminism nor topple it. What we need is for women to rise up and be brave and most importantly, refuse to accept our lot. Liberal feminists need to get radical." www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/11/16/feminisms-second-wave-has-failed-women
This guy would have been destroyed and cancelled had he take trans activists and "imagined" their dialogue, or had he taken a BLM activists words and "imagined" a conversation - and it would not have mattered whether his play was supportive or not, he'd have been cancelled.
As a man who will NEVER be called a TERF this little man is offensive in his privilege and condescension. Julie B is a true heroine in my eyes and I thank her and other women like JK for their fighting for women like me. Ps all this "it's only fiction" shits me to tears when it's about REAL people who are still alive...I hate it and it damn well shouldn't be supported or encourage particularly when it can be so harmful to that REAL PERSON. Kaplan really is repellent.
What a dreadful concept for a play. The "author" see's the views of Ms Rowling as controversial? Yet they are shared by the overwhelming majority of people. Keep it in Edinburgh Fringe thanks.
❤🇬🇧God I love Julie B. She is well informed, articulate and makes me proud to be British. Thank you for this interview. The only downside is the publicity it gives this man-child. I bet he has ripped up all his Harry Potter books in temper- big baby. X
How dare he use someone else's fame without doing them the courtesy of seeking a rational face to face discussion to explore his ideas before writing his play? The original title says all one needs to know about him.
Piggybacking on someone else's fame to get attention, but without any original thought or genuine attempt to comprehend the situation. Just meme-signalling.
Well done Julie - brilliant final point - men will never understand our viewpoint because they are not women. As Sall Grover has said, it took a man to land her in court: to create the problem in the first place and then to start the fight. I feel that even most of the men on "our side" don't fully get it. Their tone quite often seems to be, "what a quaint little argument those feminists over there are having over something that will never affect us". They don't (can't?) understand the visceral reality of the invasion of this men's rights movement and its destruction of women's hard-won rights for safety, privacy and dignity in general, and for fairness in sport.
@@alasshewasthehighwaywoman8886 lol, right?! Women can speak for ourselves, but even then there are disagreements. I'm guessing the women's suffrage movement was just as fraught. I wonder how we ever got the vote some days!
Men who care about women care very deeply about this. I don't have a daughter but many who do have a daughter understand a lot better than the women who are yet to work out what's really going on. Saying men who are right can't understand when there are so many women who are fighting on the wrong side who won't allow themselves to understand just seems like you don't like men.
@@ribbonsofnight We do not need to "understand a lot better" on the basis of some "lived experience" like having a daughter. We just need to have the intelligence to understand well-reasoned argument such as that put forward coherently by Julie Bindel, and its inevitable consequence, that true women's liberation necessarily involves the loss of our own privilege, whether we are straight fathers of daughters, or gay men like me. Many rapists also have daughters, and it is well known that some even rape their own daughters. To the best of my knowledge, neither you nor I are known personally to @nicoleevans4722, and there is no reason at all why she should "like" us.
That guy doesn’t seem to want to have a conversation with the woman, he just wants to say his bit and then not answer any questions. All he did was try and shut down what the woman was saying rather than answer or explain anything more than a surface level.
This is just some minor playwright trying to gain notoriety by piggy backing on JKRs hard worked for fame.
“Minor playwright.” Not even. Activist propagandist. Agitprop.
Exactly - "Clout chasing"
@@janemacdonald3732 I know, it's absurd isn't it, a playwright writing about the current moment. How cheap.
Delusional propagandist and probably misogynist
Why is the Spectator giving him airtime ??
The fact that he says Radcliffe, Watson and Grint are staging an intervention in the play tells you exactly where he’s coming from.
Having not read actually read the play, I wouldn't personally assume anything. That's like Mary Whitehouse telling us all horror films are nasty, without having seen any.
@@David-mg1yj his words tell you what his perspective is on this matter.
JK and Julie are right to protect women's sex based rights
I'm a father of a young woman so pay £5 a month to the UK charity 'Sex Matters' who work to protect women's natural rights to safe spaces and respect for women's dignity and safety generally.
@@jackgammon4084Thank you 🙏
Jo Rowling & Julie Bindel are legendary & iconic Women’s Liberationists 💖
Julie is a man-hater
Not only that. These so called feminists are protecting the rights of men. Unless they are willing to say that transmen are not really men...
Seems like he's using Rowling's fame to launch himself
Since he’s getting publicity he might be on to something.
Houston....we have a problem
@@michellej1372 I can't imagine it'll be a good play but yeah the attention over it will definitely draw people. He says he's gearing up for terf protests. I'd be delighted if not a single person protested just to show that freedom of speech is something for everyone not just people you agree with
Who on earth hasn't read Ms Rowlings opinion and arrived at the conclusion she was right other than tired, desperate playwrights apparently lol?
@@souxcasa The best outcome would be for it to be simply ignored, or greeted with yawns. There is something not only presumptuous but also insufferably tasteless about creating theatrical fiction by putting his own imagined words into the mouth of Rowling -- or, for that matter, Radcliffe, Watson and Grint -- on the basis of a feeble conceit of the latter as the "surrogate children" of the former. And all, so far as we can tell from this interview, with a bare minimum of research into either the issues involved or the real people he has chosen to fictionalize in this way.
"The controversy over trans rights". No, Mr Kaplan. The controversy (your word) about WOMEN'S rights. Although why such a subject should be controversial, I've no idea. Any decent man would want to protect the women in his life.
and children's rights ... and gay men's rights whilst I'm at it ....!
@@moodyonroody5313 and Lesbian rights.
@@moodyonroody5313 and heterosexual rights...pretty much everyone who does not claim to be something they are not.
@@supergran1000 any decent feminist would not use misogynistic tropes to win arguments.
@@catross3713 What argument is there to win? Kaplan hasn't made one.
The usual "I'm done with this.." when he cant answer questions or articulate his position
@@janehenderson9562And when he won’t listen: a complete lack of curiosity
Kaplan is an interesting surname, too.
TBF - she was making a lot of really silly points, "You just wrote what was in your head".
Yeah Julie - that's what authors do. 🙄
@@Pinkdam Not really; lots of ppl Kaplan, Caplan, and Chaplin.
@@incurableromantic4006 author?
No one who's actually read JKR's tweets could say she wasn't right.
You'd think.
They could and did say she was wrong, but they couldn't explain why.
Agree and I don't even like JKR or harry potter
@@richardPhilips2 Too old to have read the books and never seen a film . . but I did walk past her house today - man, she's got the biggest hedge I ever saw!
@@jerrygregor I think she was, if being a TERF means defending REAL Women's Right than call me one!
The play is fiction, according to the author, yet it talks about the earlier life of J K Rowling - a real person. Publishing fictions about living people can be libellous.
@@marieparker3822He'll certainly know this. Lawyers will be watching, and he'll be crossing his fingers - although I expect it's been reviewed for possible defamation already.
@@marieparker3822 you're right, we should ban all biopics, blanket ban, shut them all down, any time a fictionalised Churchill has been depicted on film remove it. Artists have no right to depict public figures even if they explicitly claim it's fictional.
@@catross3713 There are a couple of catch all legal phrases that are used for these situations.
1. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.
2. This work of fiction is based on a true story.
However, my interest in this utter dullard of a playwright does not extend to caring as to whether he is aware of these or not.
Interesting point.
@@catross3713 You cannot name a person and then claim fiction.
Josh Kaplan should remember that vulgarity is not a substitute for wit. He’s being deliberately provocative and I do hope this play bombs.
It aways has been, that's why everybody, especially the British, love dirty jokes.
A gay man telling what women should think and feel. Says it all, really.
I'm gay and sorry for that. Many of us don't support him
@@devilsfavorite999 Of course we don't. His lesbian friends (if any) must be a great deal more "tolerant" than mine if he gets away with that in real life.
@@devilsfavorite999 If you're a gay man who supports TERFs, then don't be surprised when the wolves eat your face.
Right. Usually it's a straight man telling what women should think and feel.
Gay men aren't allowed an opinion about an issue that affects all of us? How very liberal of you.
I love Julie Bindel. Clear-thinking, principled and beautifully articulate. Unlike Josh who starts from a fixed ideological position ('TERFS are bad"), who totally avoids learning anything about the issue other than his own point of view and who then creates J.K. Rowling as his 'straw monster' constructed entirely of HIS own confections of what he imagines are her daddy issues. So he can knock her down and bask in all that virtuous glow. The man is as tired and empty as he looks.
Clear thinking, Aristotle must be spinning in his grave
@@gordonsirmond9584what's your problem exactly?
What tosh, Bindel isn't ideologically committed? Where have you been these past forty years?
His constant, annoying upspeak seems appropriate? Like he's unsure of every sentence he speaks? His intonation urges him to question the content of his words? Very Freudian, his unconscious is aware he's speaking non stop nonsense?
Kaplan is an internet troll who couldn't get arrested in a meriticracy. An adult infant chasing notoriety by insulting the talented because he has no talent to sell.
lol!!! couldnt get arrested in a meritocracy! havent heard that one before!
You’ve seen his plays?
@@ianandrew-patrick3835 he could get a place at the Edinburgh Fringe though.
@ianadrew-patrick3835 I think it should be "merit-O-cracy" not "merit-I-cracy", or am I wrong?
Not only that but he’s saying “hmm can’t enjoy Harry potter anymore” bruhhhh it’s a children’s book series… infantile kid wannabe u can guess his proclivities
"I've never used Twitter" -- said the man who wrote a play about a conversation on Twitter.
"You're using this as a podium" -- said the man using the Edinburgh Festival as a podium.
As a man I’m 100% behind defending woman’s rights.
@@niguel4438 Why thank you good sir! Seems that true gentlemen are a dying breed! X
@@wardygrub I mean it. I have four daughters and five granddaughters. It appals me that a tiny number of ideologists can try to overturn hard fought for women’s rights. I wouldn’t want to be the man in a dress who followed my granddaughter into the ladies (etc). Of course there are genuine cases and they must be treated sensitively. But it’s gone too far. Twenty years ago none of this would have been tolerated.
@@niguel4438 trans people have been using the bathroom with cis people your whole life mate so what are u on about. Plus I'm a trans woman cis passing and white passing even though I'm latina so I get to experience white privilege first hand but I do face misogyny and sexism still which sucks but other than that I just live my life.
@@wardygrub y'all are reinforcing stereotypes again and again and what do you mean by "true gentlemen"? Like what makes someone a "true gentleman"? Is it their privates or something? Idk.
The real ones
He refuses to engage with Bindel on the basis that she hasn't seen the play, yet when given the opportunity to summarise the play at the beginning of the interview, he declined.
What he thought the point of the interview was (other than to talk sh*te), I don't know.
Well, maybe it would've been useful to make the effort to go and see the play before volunteering to debate the writer.
@@bweb6See it WHERE?
@@bweb6 It hasn't been performed yet.
It's ludicrous, isn't it? In the song _That's Entertainment!_ , lyricist Howard Dietz famously summarized the plot of _Hamlet_ : "A ghost and a prince meet, and everything ends in mincemeat." Without being quite as terse as that, I'm pretty sure I could answer a question about what happens in the play without just telling you to go sit through all 140 or so minutes of it and find out, though perhaps W. Shakespeare himself, who, like this guy, wanted to sell seats to its performance, might have been more reticent.
@@bweb6there you go again 🥱
This man seems unable to articulate what his play is about. Lots of evasive eye movements & dismissive shrugs as a response to simple questions. What a grifter
Yes a total grifter! Not at all unlike the woman opposite who offers to appear to give her opinion on this show regarding a play she hasn't even bothered to actually go and see.
@@bweb6the play hasn't opened yet and this arrogant dude failed to explain what it's about
@@bweb6 how would she have gone to see it? Travel to the future?
@@bweb6 oops, silly!
He daren't properly articulate what it's about, because he knows it's utterly biased against gender critical feminists and Bindel would eat him alive. As would Rowling. What a snivelling coward he is.
You know that Josh Kaplan has lost the plot and all credibility when he resorts to saying "I'm done with this" when exposed and challenged to comments he can't handle. He's all over the place and unable to articulate a clear, coherent argument. If his play is anything like this performance... well... 😒
This ‘writer’ gives the impression of being no more than semi-literate. He can’t even convey a simple thought into spoken English.
Dead right. "A ficitional imagining" - FFS.
@@abatesnz 😂 known in English as ‘a defamatory lie’.
He's a bloody moron
@@abatesnza fictional imagining... 😂 as though that isn't what nearly every single solitary piece of media is ever.
Let us hope that he is sued for defamation. Being the product of the American education system, it is hardly surprising that is semi-literate .... on a par with George Doubleyer Bush .... Donny Trumperty-tumperty-tump-tump.
Rowling is a hero.
Very brave woman.
The world's bravest billionaire.
@@spurge83Doing more than most billionaires, bud
@@cyclicozone2072 💯
@@cyclicozone2072 💯
She is a poisonous lefty in all respects apart from this one aspect, which is par for the course for any normal, rational mind.
There’s no way this man can fairly represent the mindset and lived experiences of women worried about the erasure of their sex based rights
@@Amanda-xx7sj of course not! He wouldn’t (& shouldn’t) get away with writing a play with a slur as a title, denigrating Black Lives Matter activists as a white man, but it’s fine for him to denigrate women as a man. It always is. :-(
@@Amanda-xx7sj He didn’t even try.
Let's try it this way around, "there's no way that a cis woman can fully understand the mindset and lived experience of a trans person worried about the full scale assault on their human rights."
@@karimalhassani3830 What full scale assault? Be specific.
@@RaveyDavey If you aren't aware of it then you aren't the right person to comment. The attack on trans people has been going on for almost a decade now, here, in the US, and beyond. Promises made by governments to make trans lives easier were dropped because of this assault, just ask Theresa May.. If women have human rights, which they do, so do trans people, but their rights are deliberately being pushed back by a group that has more power in society than a few thousand transwomen, cis women. Equality isn't divisible, but rights sometimes have to be shared to prevent a greater injustice.
If his play is as articulate as he is in person, I won't be bothering.
Stay at home on the sofa and watch Love Island... something tells me you'll enjoy it more.
@@bweb6 You assume that someone who doesn't want to waste money pandering to a marble-mouthed mysogynist watches Love Island. Ohhhh they have a difference of opinion - they MUST have low class tastes.
What an illogical leap.
lol another man telling women how they should feel about losing their rights 😂
And a woman telling everyone else that only they have the right to define who everyone else is. Totally entitled snowflakery
@@gordonsirmond9584 Thanks for the Reminder that WOMEN and GIRLS must fight for the right to Define ourselves, our destiny, and experience as women and girls. Because INCREDIBLY a bunch of males with fantasies in their heads and feelings in special parts of their bodies are COMPELLED to identify themselves as girls or women. And these men and boys insist they are entitled to everything women and girls have because they are males and will throw a tantrum at minimum if they don't get their way.
Classic narcissism fuels this male entitlement.
That smug grin at 16:15.
Yet another woman telling trans people that their rights are secondary to women's rights. There is no hierarchy of rights, we have to co-exist which will always mean compromise.
Usually they're gey too
Brava, Julie Bindel. 👏 Little Joshy really isn't up to robust debate, bless him.
Julie Bindel shooting a paralysed puffer fish in a tiny barrel.
Funny
🤣🤣🤣
Its the level of discourse she is used to. Horrible woman who made her career by belittling men and is probably only anti-trans because it gives her an avenue to continue to do and get paid for it. No idea why the spectator think she has anything useful to add to the discussion but not at all surprised her only episodes are pinata-esque men for her to knock down.
I was genuinely surprised how badly Bindel did given what a complete muppet this guy is. Accusing him of "just writing what's in his head" was risible - that's literally what authors do.
@@HarryBuxley Wow, and you are not belittling a women, right now? What a sorry sexist you are!
“I used a word as my play title that I didn’t understand because I’m American.”
I know he’s a misogynist, but surely even he doesn’t think women are stupid enough to fall for that line?
That isn't what he was asked. He was asked whether being an American he was fully aware that some people in Britain may find the use of TERF more offensive than Americans do. The moderator specified New York when referring to his origins. Kaplan replied that he wasn't fully aware of the supposed difference.
@@karimalhassani3830 I thoight it was the other word he took out..didnt know it was an acronym
@@sylvierogers Trans exclusionary radical feminist, TERF is the acronym. It's regarded by radical feminists here in Britain who wish to exclude trans women from women's spaces as insulting. Since it describes what they are trying to do it's hard to see why.
I can't help but feel a bit sorry for this guy. He doesn't realise that he's the bad guy, hasn't the intelligence to describe his own play but thinks he can go up against Julie Bindel. He seems like he's never been out of his own echo chamber.
I know right. I bet he cried his eyes out afterwards
He seemed terrified. Rightly so. We're not known as Terf Island for nothing.
@@annal2740 amen ❤
I really had the impression he had never heard of Julie Bindel, and had not the remotest idea what sort of criticism he could expect from her. Too arrogant even to look her up to give himself a clue, just as he apparently did not find it necessary to do any real research into either the issues or the real people he fictionalizes in his play.
@@annal2740
He should have known better than to come messing with our home Terf.
"He is dead and gone, lady,
He is dead and gone.
At his head a grass-green Terf,
At his heels a stone."
Ironic he’s accusing Julia not knowing what the play is about from not reading tweets and other things when he probably not read any tweets from JKRowling.
And can't even describe his own play. A scammer.
WHAT exactly are T rights? To have the rest of us to pay for mutilating procedures? To convince gay kids that there is something wrong with them requiring mutilation?
The 'right' to involve non-consenting people in their sexual fetish.
Exactly. What right do I have that the umbrella academy doesn't?.
Trans rights are demands for women and children to coddle them and step aside again
The "rights" that they want are specifically about getting access to and dominating vulnerable women and young people, purely for their fetishistic thrills. It's 100% a dominance thing and entirely confined to heterosexual males who do it as a sexual fetish, rather than males who, usually from a young age, genuinely believe themselves to be born in the wrong body and are almost always attracted to males.
A code for trans blasphemy laws
"My plays aren't very good so I choose deliberately provocative titles and themes to generate interest"
I bet his venue won't pull the plug the night before the show like they did to Graham Linehan...
Edinburgh Fringe is now irrelevant.
Having watched this I now understand why nobody has ever heard of this playwright before.
Kaplan is a sad broken individual, i would feel sorry for him if he wasn't so vicious and dismissive of Women's right and safe spaces.
I’m a 75 year old heterosexual male feminist and totally agree with everything Julie says. I may not be the brightest of people but the original title says everything about the timbre of this play.
Julie Bindel doesn't think men can be feminists and hates men.
I'm a 65 year old heterosexual male ex-feminist. Been a feminist all my life since a teenager. Now I realise all this nasty, divisive tribal social civil warfare is actually down to the Feminist movement. They've wanted everyone to hate white/straight/(esp.)males for FOREVER - and now everywhere is just awash with anger, hatred, victimhood etc. We were actually doing *_so well_* until the pendulum overswung, pushed damn hard by the feminist 'left'.... Now, all of a sudden, the prospect of The Left eating itself through the trans/terf conflict is actually quite encouraging...
@@danguee1 So basically you don't women to vote, have jobs, etc. I am a Feminist but I don't hate any males for just being male. Obnoxious, arrogant ones maybe, but I would also hate obnoxious, arrogant females. Many Feminists are happily married to successful white males. I totally dislike this "playright", it does not mean I hate "white males". People are individuals.
@@danguee1Bc it doesn’t effect your rights to put all the sex offending, dangerous men amongst vulnerable, weaker females, no skin off your back.
@@danguee1 No male is a feminist, it is about the voices of women. We're not all Liberal feminists either.
More divisions, it has always been about the political, economic, socetial impacts on women. (Born female) liberal feminists like to exclude those of us who are not liberal and have different opinions.
I reject that, they do not have the dogma on this. Males are welcome to support feminists.
This Josh person just comes across as a vacuous rabble rouser with very little integrity.
Yep, cannot really put a sentence together but hopes to ride to fame on Rowling's name.
Or brains
@@shylockwesker5530 His rabbit in the headlights expression shows he didn't realise that it would be such hard work justifying trying to make a buck by making stuff up about J K Rowling.
Julie Bindel v a stupid inarticulate narcissistic man. This would make a fun play. Is there a transcript of this interview?
He's a grifter.....
They tend to Gravitate towards the controversial, because that's where the money is.
How did this man manage to write a play? He can barely gather his thoughts
No question about how he couldn't find any women that would accept a role in his play?
Plenty of women with p3nises who would have taken the role. But I bet he didn't even consider them.
Either the host or Julie SHOULD have read Rowling's initial tweet, at least, so everyone could hear how reasonable it was and had NOTHING to do with being "anti'trans". This guy clams he never read Rowling or anyone else's tweet... but he wrote a play about it? What a moron.
Rowling, just like Bindell, just displays rabid misandry, she should get some therapy
He didn't say that
Right. Commenters complain no one's seen the play (which hasn't opened) but presume to comment on it, but no one complains Kaplan knows nothing about social media but writes a play about it.
And no surprise, the writer is a white, middle class millennial American. Espousing his luxury beliefs for all his worth (probably a Harry Potter fan as a kid - her biggest critics usually are!)
"White middle class male class male". Isn't he a gay Jew? Dismal American identity politics to fight dismal American identity politics? There is a degree of astonishing hypocrisy going on here from the people who endlessly complain they are being cancelled for their views. If he attacked Rowling as a white, privately educated billionaire you'd have said that was as Ad Hominem. How is this any different from the loonies who attacked Rowling about her murder mystery with the autogynophile killer and tried to get it pulled BEFORE it was even published?
His surname is Kaplan, not Lincoln or Jefferson or Hamilton or Adams or....
Definitely an older millennial, closer to gen X, but brainwashed more like gen Z. He has no excuse for his ignorance & lack of decorum.
These tantruming toddlers don't have an argument. He was asked on The Spectator to have a debate and he pouts because Julie is right and he can't defend himself.
His claim “You’ve not seen the play” is pathetic. I’ve not been to the moon. Therefore I can’t possibly ever talk about it, according to his warped logic.
@@BN-hk6wf No but you can ask people who have been to the moon, if you're quick, what it's like or any of the numerous scientists who study it. The position with this play is equivalent to Bindell declaring the in 1963 that the moon is made of Camembert!
@@gordonsirmond9584 He was asked about the content of his play, and failed to give an adequate, or even coherent reply.
@@petretepner8027That's an outright lie.
@@Kelsea-im8ob Why are you simping for someone who is too incompetent to defend themselves adequately when given ample opportunity to defend themselves in their chosen medium of words?
Can you imagine Oscar Wilde being so utterly, stupefyingly boring?
He's a good example of why these zealots don't like debate. He can hardly string a sentence together.
This guy can't sell his work. He is rambling and all over the place. No confidence in his own work.
An opportunist who is riding JK's coattails.
"You haven't seen the play, Julie, you haven't read the play."
Thank the stars for her.
She doesn't need to. She saw this poor excuse for promotion.
You're making things up. He's selling the play fine. He described the plot and left some room for mystery. You sound like a gender ideologue, like saying something will make it true.
@@Kelsea-im8ob No matter what my position on the topic, this guy sucks.
Josh getting his arse handed to him publicly by Julie Bindel is a very satisfying watch.
For a playwright, he is rather inarticulate and shows himself as captured by this ridiculous ideology. Julie on the other hand is eloquent and straightforward in her response.
Are you a bot? Or are you a postmodern feminist who thinks words create reality like the TRAs do? Because look at how it's working out for them.
Or did you listen to this and actually come away with the impression that Julie came out on top? Her last statement was super sharp, but in the middle there she was grasping at straws, and there was nothing about him that was inarticulate, if you could point me to a timestamp when he couldn't answer a question I'd be surprised.
J K Rowling is right.
He is well out of his depth here.
Julie Bindel presents her position clearly and with energy. She is a serious and very capable advocate for women's rights who has given decades to the cause.Josh seemed unwilling or unable to engage with her arguments.
Once the idea is challenged it all falls apart
I would've respected her take more had she even bothered to go and see or even read the transcripts of the play she's now criticising. Ultimately i suppose we're all just slaves to our mortgage payments.
@@bweb6mate what planet do you live on? The 'transcripts of the play'? Where and what would they be then? You're thinking of small claims court
@@bweb6 At the time of the interview there was no way she could see or read it. It premiers at Edinburgh in August.
@@bweb6 There you go again. How many times do you have to be reminded that the play has not yet been performed anywhere outside The Actors Studio in New York City last February, and, to the best of my knowledge, the script has not been published.
If he wasn't so toxic, he would be plain silly
..
I'm a playwright and novelist, and there's something very unprofessional about using actual, living, contemporary people. (You know that bit we write at the beginning - any resemblance to people living or dead etc etc.) If you're going to do this, surely you change enough details. Unless, of course, you know you'll get a lot of free publicity.
I haven't seen many of your plays - except On Your Walls which is brilliant but very sad - but I've read most of your books. I love them.
I'm not a writer. I think it can be done, as long as the utmost seriousness and care are exercised. To do it casually or propagandistically is very shoddy indeed.
@@notreallydavid I would be cautious, but yes, if you intend to fully understand each side - ESPECIALLY the one you disagree with - if it's fair minded, not just thinly-veiled propaganda, then yes, it could be done.
The Crown has taken living people and fictionalised them, and even then, we see people who think that was exactly how events happened, rather than a drama based on real events.
I haven't seen his play, perhaps it is sympathetic to both sides, putting forth thoughtful arguments in order to diffuse an ugly area of debate. I don't know.
@@elsiesaunders4607 Thank you. I'm glad you've enjoyed them.
@@hmsealey3243 Thanks for this!
The so-called controversy relates to women's rights, not trans rights. JKR has no issue with trans people; her truck is with women's rights being eroded by ideologues which sadly seems to be pretty much all of the trans rights mob (or the most vocal of them at least)
Will the play detail the hate Rowling has gone through, the doxing, people standing outside her house, threatening her with **** and violence?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... Of course it wont
He might mention it in passing
I presume he only agreed to this interview for publicity. Why else would you subject yourself to the utter pasting he must have known he would get from an opponent who had more knowledge, intellectual ability and verbal erudition than he did? I watched him shrivel up in real time.
Loving your work, Julie.
I really think he was too ignorant to know who Julie Bindel is, and too lazy and arrogant to look her up or read any of her work before the interview.
Had he been more eloquent, I could have believed that the play might actually explore something interesting. But not even being able to clearly set the stage about what JK Rowling actually tweeted and how the 3 actors responded to it makes me believe that this person did zero research and further, formed his own, interesting opinions about the matter. He unravels too quickly on basic things when being put to the test of scrutiny.
It’s astonishing how illiterate such a ‘writer’ can be. He wasn’t even able to convey the most simple thought into spoken word.
Somehow, I doubt it (your first sentence).
A press release advertising the show claims:
"Please note: TERF C**T is not a kill piece. It provides space for reflection and ultimately offers the audience time to explore some of the more contentious aspects of JK's life.
.....
"Joanne led a blessed life - for a woman. Billionaire. Literary phenomenon. Natural ginger. And most importantly, beloved. Completely beloved. Until she blew it all to hell.
"Now, Joanne's surrogate children - Daniel, Rupert, and Emma - have had enough. It's time for an intervention. But Joanne isn't in the mood for one, especially not one held at a Shoreditch 'test kitchen' organised by three overentitled Judases who know nothing about the world into which they were born with platinum spoons (thanks to her).
"From book deals to divorces, family dysfunction to broken friendships, TERF C**T goes beyond the headlines to explore the woman that captivated a world with her books only to unravel a legacy with her tweets."
mickhartley.typepad.com/blog/2024/01/terf-ct.html
How did he disappoint you with his eloquence? Why do you think the play won't be good?
American's are much more prudish about bad language on TV etc than the British so he knew what he was doing with this title.
Why didn’t he just change all the names? That would have been a much more subtle way of commenting and would defuse any mistakes he might make on the various people in the play’s position.
But he wants to have a go, to troll, to incite and ride Rowling’s coat tails to fame.
An attention seeker.
So this random guy decided to leech off JK’s fame by making a play about her and the three main stars of Harry Potter, though he’s never met or conversed with any of them? Typical far left narcissism if you ask me.
This guy, who no-one has ever heard of, thinks he can 'mansplain' the issues of gender ideology via a play, using famous names to get his name out there. Really? You think you can write a 'fictional' play about JK Rowling's life without even speaking to her????? What planet are you living on?
@@jemimajefferson1497 Seen the play? I thought not.
You’re worse than him. You are going to shesplain his play not having seen it at all.
At least his play is based on what Ms Rowling HAS published, in books, & interviews, and on social media.
Is that enough? Perhaps not. But his kettle’s not as black as your pot.
@ElSasser2007 Why the HELL would we give money to this mysogynist? FYI using the C word in the title of the play signals to all women their bodies are just pieces of sexualized meat for men to degrade. HARD pass.
Also Transactivists have a LONG history of not reading or even taking the time to read the Cass Review or WPATH Files or crime stats of TIM which are free and in the public domain. They would prefer to promote medical harm to children and general harm to women and girls.
I am sure sex realists would be ready to read the script of the play for free - but they damn well are not going to put any money in this man's pocket to do so.
Have you read the play or seen it performed? If not, like Bindel, then you don't know what you are talking about. It may be hideous but you won't know that because you have already dismissed it and its author as misogynistic.
@@ElSasser2007the play has not yet been performed so how could she see it?! This was his opportunity to explain its premise and promote it which he failed spectacularly to do
@@janehenderson9562 whether or not he successfully promoted the play I cannot say; but my point is that Ms Bindel would have done better to shutup.
Well done Julie.
@@suzannewood8962 He had his ar*se handed back to him 🤣 Julie's fab.
She leans too heavily on victimhood and accusations of violence, even though that's the same tool the other side uses, and still believes it would work. This is a conversation about a play, not male violence. I think Julie is a bit out of her depth even though she's on the right side. His play sounds interesting, but definitely a fluff piece for the trans movement. Maybe it will get people thinking.
@@Kelsea-im8obthe entire issue is the violent threat males pose to women, to negate that is to be willfully obtuse.
@@Goddess_Freyjaaa If you think that's the main issue in every discussion, you're being reductionist. Julie Bindel was asked specific questions about the play, and in some cases deflected and talked about male violence instead, because she didn't see the play, since it's not out yet. It's excessive.
@@Kelsea-im8ob she could’ve commented on the play if the nitwit would characterize it in any way at all, yet he did not. I think it is highly relevant considering the only synopsis he gave besides the cast being a family, is the claim the play involves the clash between trans & women’s rights. The rights women fought & won, that they are currently fighting to maintain. Meanwhile all he could defer to were tweets, all while claiming he doesn’t use twitter. He has no concept of why feminists are fighting for what they are fighting for, which is the threat of violence from men in their spaces, which has been legally protected since the Geneva convention’s inception, & opportunities stolen by men in sports, housing, employment, etc. In his mind we’re just meanies who hurt mens feelings on the internet. To say Julie is just mirroring the other sides tactic is a cop out, it is born out by the statistics that these men who claim to be women are more likely to be sex offenders than that of the general male population. Of course Julie won’t see the half baked, un researched play, he doesn’t deserve to profit off of depicting fantasies of public figures sensitive life matters. The play isn’t even until Aug anyway so your comment is redundant, all she had to go off of was his poorly articulated description.
Think it's safe to say Julie won this debate. She was spot on all the way through while Kaplan often couldn't articulate a response culminating in him declaring himself 'done' with that part of the conversation.
His excusing his use of slurs is a clear sign of his thirst for 'controversies'. I predict the next agenda will be more 'child friendly' if you catch my drift.Repulsive, fame hungry and ultimately vapid.
Sounds as fun as a Maoist reeducation drama
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I don't know if it's THAT good! 😂
@@abcdefghijfghij Lefties always end up hating other lefties more than anyone else in the world.
Well done Julie for being as clear as possible
She's never otherwise. Her clarity of thought and expression are an example to all of us.
@@notreallydavid Thanks for telling us that, the infamous goddess of controversy is now also an English teacher par excellence.
Is this guy for real ? The word he dropped means the same in the US. It’s a disgusting word and quite frankly he was out of his depth
I didn't know what the original title was until now. Maybe he can get David Tennant to play JKR. Why not?
Boom! Go woke or go home! 🎉
So sad because I used to kinda like DT. Now he just makes me shiver.
An Arts grad who is all ego and little substance. He is so obtuse. Thank you Julie.
You should have this Josh back on after his play has been performed so that he can't hide behind "well you haven't seen the play"
He's courting controversy, hate farming. It's a useful tool for the creatively bankrupt.
@fazzieman674yeah I also felt bad for him being exposed as a anti feminist on live tv. that has got to be uncomfortable when your self-conception is that of liberal person.
This interview is too early.
The guy come off as a grifter who is trying to capitalise of Rowling's fame bit knows nothing.
Having the interview after the play had been shown would restrict is ability to evade with "you haven't seen it."
I'm not keen on Bindle but she runs rings around him.
@@SA-vz7qi There is a huge hole in this discourse where actually seeing the play should be.
Very interesting conversation as always. He had absolutely nothing to say. And, being a gay man using the term terf? And terf cu*t originally? It speaks volumes about what he thinks of women. We know full well how some gay men feel about women. Show your true colours.
According to this source ruclips.net/video/S3gqCUUXOkc/видео.html , he "identifies as a gay man". He what now? Is he or isn't he (assuming we care)? Or is being gay now also something we can "identify" in and out of?
According to other sources, he describes himself as “queer-identifying” (big surprise!).
And we also know how some women, including some lesbians, feel about gay men. Pot, kettle, black...
@@karimalhassani3830 Pots and kettles? Or prejudice vs probable cause?
@@petretepner8027 Pots and kettles, whatever you demand for yourself you can't deny others. Equality isn't hierarchical, rights sometimes have to be shared to prevent a greater injustice.
@@petretepner8027 What nonsense is this? If I as a gay man say I'm a gay man I'm identifying as a gay man, what is it about that simple statement of the obvious you don't yet understand? I'm also a man of colour, I identify as such. I'm also part Chinese, part Indian, part African Caribbean and part European and I also identify with all of that. Got it now? Good. Now go and have a little lie down while your brain cools.
The playwright dissembling at the end about his use of the TERF acronym was pretty pathetic. Someone who was going to call his play "TERF C**T" can't be unaware of what he was doing or the impact it would have. A sad example of acting in bad faith.
Or he knew and it was deliberate.
@@akashajones6079 Indeed.
He was aware, it's not a big deal, it's just an inflammatory style of naming plays. I seriously think you and Bindel just don't get it and are making it a bigger deal than it is. Some of the other names they mentioned as okay, also haven't been fully reclaimed.
@@Kelsea-im8ob "It's not a big deal..."
So says you.
It's interesting that Kaplan states the play is about talking across divides, and yet he is unable to communicate effectively or honestly across a divide.
True. Although, we have not seen the play.
@@Kelsea-im8obafter this car crash of an interview, why anyone would do so is beyond me.
Josh is a scamster.
Yes, J. Kaplans comments are disingenuous and he twists the facts in to a pretzel! For all his BS his mates spreading dog faeces over J.K. ROWLINGS front door cuts through how despicable and dishonest his argument actually is! Josh Kaplan's entire stance is flawed and rambling! He hates lesbians who do not want to share their toilet space with gay men in dresses!? That seems a reasonable proposition if you ask me?
no doubt he has wealthy parents who fund his 'career as a playwright'
Josh is a seriously untalented "writer" who has latched onto this controversy to promote himself.
Listened for First few minutes . .listening to such misogynistic ignorant rubbish is a waste of life!
And don't forget the misandry.
Do we even need to comment who's making sense and who isn't? Kaplan, shame on you.
The play sounds like the ultimate manifestation of theatrical clickbait.
Like BuzzFeed, for stage.
Perhaps it is and Julie may have offered that rebuke... had she even bothered to see the play.
@@bweb6 I may be wrapping but got the impression it was debuting in Edinburgh
@@bweb6No one can see it until next month.
@@bweb6 yawn 🥱
@@KizzleWizzleFizzle That has to be the guy himself lol
I just read an article--an interview -- with this guy. He repeatedly says 'Trans rights'. Not once does he say 'womens rights'. Tells me everything 😊
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Well done Julie …. I’m a writer and I would never write an article, book or play without research 🧐 I do not get him at all.. I believe he is using controversy for fame and success of the play 😡
So a clueless writer just writes a play about a subject he has only ever heard one side of, without bothering to do his research first; and portrays personal details of a womans' life without even bothering to contact the woman concerned.
Jesus if this interview with Josh is an example of the quality of his “play” then I suspect it’s a load of total rubbish and misogynistic clap trap 😡
Suspect being the key word as neither you nor Julie have seen the play yet you're both happy to have opinions about it.
@@bweb6 Why should any so called TERF watching it? Kaplan said in the first few mintutes it is about trans rights. He clearly views the fight for women`s single spaces and sports as "anti-trans.
@@bweb6 You keep repeating variants on this comment, despite being repeatedly reminded that *nobody* has seen the play yet, except perhaps some members of The Actors Studio in New York City.
Any of our opinions must necessarily be based on what the author has to say about it, which does not inspire confidence that it is anything worth watching.
@@bweb6What do you have to say about the original title of the play?
@@petretepner8027 Then why bother to comment at all? Most critics at least wait to see the play before they rush to rubbish it, I see you like to get your retaliation in first.
It is very gracious of JKR to uphold free speech. But I find it intolerable that this despicable character is trying to make a name for himself at the expense of her fame and dragging her reputation through the mud. She should sue Kaplan to the ground.
Her lawyers will go to Edinburgh.
Come off it, he's a very successful screen writer with a major serries now running on the BBC, Tokyo Vice. At least try to be balanced if you can't stop yourself from posting.
@@karimalhassani3830 Oh yes, I'm sure writing a script for one whole episode out of 18 in Tokyo Vice was his major breakthrough. And let's not forget his illustrious role as script coordinator on 8 other episodes - truly the pinnacle of prestige in television writing. Clearly, these monumental achievements totally justify using JK Rowling's name for publicity. She should actually be grateful to be chosen as a subject by such a prominent author.
Sarcasm aside: This doesn't change my perception of him. I still think he's not a good person and I condemn his doings.
@@mrwhatever1970 So you agree that's Kaplan is a successful screen writer and not a talentless hack desperate to ride on Rowling's coattails. I guess that's progress. Most series have many writers, especially US series, and often more than one per episode, but talentless hacks don't get to be amongst them on high profile and big budget series. But then you already knew that, didn't you?
@@karimalhassani3830 I would assume that it doesn't take an excessive amount of talent to coordinate scripts for such series. There are numerous such employees; for this series alone, he's one of twelve. Who knows, maybe he's even one of the most talented writers. But it's not about his talent. It's about his level of fame, which he's trying to increase with this controversial piece.The film and television industry is currently permeated with woke activism, so strategically, he's not doing a bad job riding that horse.
YES! Go Julie! You always stand for truth and what's right.
@take5breaths right shes always criticising cis women who support trans rights isn't she?
@springwood1331 the point is Bindel is critical of men who support trans rights. NOT critical of women who do, which strikes me as somewhat bogus
The handmaidens are somewhat annoying but the masked men are vicious & have physically attacked woman - Inc Julie herself @@SiL-uj2zl
@@SiL-uj2zl SImply not true. See, for example, this extract from her criticism of liberal feminism in Aljazeera, from November 2020:
"It is the same with the thorny issue of whether or not transgender women should be regarded as women per se. Liberal feminists imagine that, with their personal empowerment and focus on bettering the mind through education, they will never end up in prison or in a psychiatric ward. Perhaps, bearing in mind that liberal feminists are almost always middle to upper middle class, they also assume they will not need the services of a domestic violence shelter.
Partly as a result of the liberal support for extreme transgender ideology, a number of female-only services providing direct support for women and their children who are the victims of male violence are under pressure to admit male-bodied trans women. Liberals have successfully argued that trans women should be allowed in the women’s prison estate, including those that are convicted sex offenders.
Female-only clubs and sporting facilities are also under threat. For instance, despite widespread protest, Girlguiding has a policy that boys who identify as girls can join all of its activities without the girls or their parents being told. That also goes for adult volunteers working with the children and includes overnight camps.
Liberal feminists are so scared of offending men that they bend over backwards to maintain the status quo as opposed to seeking proper liberation for women. They are happy to be given a seat at the table where they might get thrown a few crumbs, rather than taking an axe and smashing it to smithereens. If men support a particular type of feminism that should be a clue as to its ineffectiveness. Feminism should be a threat to men because we are seeking liberation from patriarchy, which means that they lose the privilege they were afforded at birth by simply owning a penis.
Naked statues of women will neither help feminism nor topple it. What we need is for women to rise up and be brave and most importantly, refuse to accept our lot. Liberal feminists need to get radical."
www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/11/16/feminisms-second-wave-has-failed-women
These harry rotter stars are just utter scumbags for thinking the impossible things can be true but then that was the basis of the movies
This guy would have been destroyed and cancelled had he take trans activists and "imagined" their dialogue, or had he taken a BLM activists words and "imagined" a conversation - and it would not have mattered whether his play was supportive or not, he'd have been cancelled.
As a man who will NEVER be called a TERF this little man is offensive in his privilege and condescension. Julie B is a true heroine in my eyes and I thank her and other women like JK for their fighting for women like me.
Ps all this "it's only fiction" shits me to tears when it's about REAL people who are still alive...I hate it and it damn well shouldn't be supported or encourage particularly when it can be so harmful to that REAL PERSON. Kaplan really is repellent.
Well, that went well for Josh.
Joanne doesn't attack trans rights, though. She does, however, DEFEND WOMEN'S rights. BIG difference. These people are deliberately ignorant.
God spare us from people who end their sentences with rising intonation...
I hate that too! The Aussies are particularly guilty of it
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Or vocal fry
Or people who conduct interviews through laptop cameras, leaning over them in a lecherous way.
@@daveyespo Some Aussies not all!
What a dreadful concept for a play. The "author" see's the views of Ms Rowling as controversial? Yet they are shared by the overwhelming majority of people. Keep it in Edinburgh Fringe thanks.
❤🇬🇧God I love Julie B. She is well informed, articulate and makes me proud to be British. Thank you for this interview. The only downside is the publicity it gives this man-child. I bet he has ripped up all his Harry Potter books in temper- big baby. X
The "intervention" idea shows his politics.
It's sad that women's rights could be seen as a political issue.
That ws embarrassing for Josh. Well argued Julie.
It would be fun / helpful to have JKR writing a play about these issues.
Julie bindel co director?
How dare he use someone else's fame without doing them the courtesy of seeking a rational face to face discussion to explore his ideas before writing his play? The original title says all one needs to know about him.
Piggybacking on someone else's fame to get attention, but without any original thought or genuine attempt to comprehend the situation. Just meme-signalling.
Has this chap been let out of his secure unit for the day?
Well done Julie - brilliant final point - men will never understand our viewpoint because they are not women. As Sall Grover has said, it took a man to land her in court: to create the problem in the first place and then to start the fight. I feel that even most of the men on "our side" don't fully get it. Their tone quite often seems to be, "what a quaint little argument those feminists over there are having over something that will never affect us". They don't (can't?) understand the visceral reality of the invasion of this men's rights movement and its destruction of women's hard-won rights for safety, privacy and dignity in general, and for fairness in sport.
Mate preserve me from the GC men. What a bunch of whiners. Getting to mock them is one of the perks!
@@alasshewasthehighwaywoman8886 lol, right?! Women can speak for ourselves, but even then there are disagreements. I'm guessing the women's suffrage movement was just as fraught. I wonder how we ever got the vote some days!
Men who care about women care very deeply about this. I don't have a daughter but many who do have a daughter understand a lot better than the women who are yet to work out what's really going on. Saying men who are right can't understand when there are so many women who are fighting on the wrong side who won't allow themselves to understand just seems like you don't like men.
@@ribbonsofnight see? Why do you need to feel like we like you?
@@ribbonsofnight We do not need to "understand a lot better" on the basis of some "lived experience" like having a daughter. We just need to have the intelligence to understand well-reasoned argument such as that put forward coherently by Julie Bindel, and its inevitable consequence, that true women's liberation necessarily involves the loss of our own privilege, whether we are straight fathers of daughters, or gay men like me.
Many rapists also have daughters, and it is well known that some even rape their own daughters.
To the best of my knowledge, neither you nor I are known personally to @nicoleevans4722, and there is no reason at all why she should "like" us.
Josh, talking tosh
That guy doesn’t seem to want to have a conversation with the woman, he just wants to say his bit and then not answer any questions.
All he did was try and shut down what the woman was saying rather than answer or explain anything more than a surface level.
Julie's face at the beginning while he's skirting every question is a picture
Eh ugh em eh um. That’s about all I heard from him. Must be my terfy ears.
Mine too mate
Probably. Because he did say other things, he was just unprepared for the victimhood narrative to come his direction for once
Any venue that put this play on better be prepared for a massive lawsuit.