Repro Panic Restaurant Sold to Collector is 100% Real -
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- A repro Panic Restaurant was bought at a 2nd & Charles used media store but it was actually real.
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That's crazy... Everyone loses. Except the guy who got it, hell of a steal for him, but still.
nekumore, I agree with you and Pat, and I'm the guy who got the game, it's sucks that someone got screwed out of the money for trading in that game
The original MRjguill , I don't have the receipt of the game anymore and why do I need to make a video of the game and the receipt anyways? Go Google search the board and the cart
Agreed. Casey Yates has nothing to gain by lying about it anyway. Not a big deal.
Nekumore thank you
And it's on a website called bootgod has all the details of the game too
On a side note. Everyone needs to start reporting every dam reproduction on eBay to eBay
Let Frank sit in while Ian is gone, that would be awesome.
He's not into videogames and would probably be bored out of his mind.
Would be a guilty pleasure seeing his reactions lol. I hope Ian is ok he's been gone a while.
Frank doesn't even want to do Frank Crate every month, I think there spacing them out to less often now per their last video so I doubt he would want to do this as it isn't worth his time.
it might just be a misprint...they might have been writing retro...it's just one letter off.
2nd & Charles is a huge store and games are just a small section of it. It's not a surprise that there are mistakes like this. When I buy 3DS or Vita games there it takes forever for the clerk to find them behind the counter.
"There is no such thing as a reproduction NES games. That is a counterfeit game."
Actually, Wisdom Tree repros are legit and not counterfeit.
If they're legit releases then how can they be repros?
NoeLPZC Because the word "repro" quite-literally means "reproduction." Other industries do it all the time, sometimes counterfeit, sometimes official. For example: There are official reproductions and replicas for Hollywood stuff all the time.
Emmett Turner And theres reproduction records too.
Yes there are reproduction NES games!!!
I can't believe Pat thinks trade-in stores shouldn't accept repros. What an elitist attitude.
Ian.
Where.
SteveM in our hearts.
There's a Go Fund Me for Ian's Medical Situation if you want to help him out.
What's actually wrong with him?
It's pretty clear to me that when they researched the value of this title online that they found a repro and didn't know what that meant. That description/price is what made it into their system and made it onto the price tag. That doesn't mean that they are deliberately engaging in counterfeit sales.
I agree. Something along those lines is the most likely scenario.
that could've been very possible
Just wondering, but why have the recent CUPodcasts showing video overlay instead of showing Pat talking?
Andy Gross You could open a second tab and just bring up pictures of Pat if you need to.
Gmoney is absolutely right.
Just wondering, why is your mug so annoyingly smug?
Speed AMD960T Who's mug is smug? lol
pigs18 lmao.
A few weeks ago I finally reacquired a TI-99/4A in the box. Been looking for another one since my childhood. That same weekend I chance-encountered two other excited new owners. Also, I found a brand-new TI-99/4A Speech Synthesizer module at Goodwill the previous day. It's suddenly raining TI-99/4A! Considering the current retro-computer craze, I can't imagine that anyone would have trouble finding a buyer.
You should check out the FlashROM 99 cartridge. It's like an Everdrive for the TI.
JakeHarvey Will do. Thanks! I was planning on making a socketed ROM cart but this will do even better and will go with my various other flashcarts. :)
Lighter fluid is the best thing to use to get stickers off of boxes! Much better than goo gone as it evaporates without leaving residue.
pat I'm from that area and shop there all the time. I was at the store when that cart was traded in and was told by a manager it wasn't for sale that it was reported as a repro. Pat I love your channel and it's crazy to think the same 2nd and Charles I frequently shop at is mentioned in your channel. Now seeing that it was sold makes me mad I could have had the game but management said no, but sold it anyways.
Jesse Koch , I'm sorry man. I just happened got lucky
It's all good man congrats though
It's crazy you seen that cart before I did, I didn't realize the price tag said repro til I was nearly home
I bought Bonks Adventure for NES at a 2nd and Charles for $4 sold it for over $500 years down the line when I needed the money.
why does he always say "allegedly" like that?
It's to reinforce that he is relaying unconfirmed information.
Legal protection. Claims like "X did Y" open yourself up for libel suits, and it is a bit of a risk to take when your evidence is only an unverified second-hand accounting by a random person. So you say "allegedly", which turns your statement from a statement of fact into a statement of possibility.
Pat would be taking the risk that the story is false. He'd also be taking a risk that he might be sued even if the story was true. Some people/companies will file libel suits against true claims, just to try to bully their way through. There is also the wiggle room aspect where Second and Charles could claim that the actions of that individual store were against company policy (similar to an employee offering to put product into the free bin is against policy), while Pat was leveling claims against the entire chain.
Slander is a pretty big deal. Best to say it and not get burned when you find out your wrong. You say one wrong thing Trump sues. I'm not going into politics I'm just saying. Its the world we live in.
Okay so thats one guy out of billions. So allegedly will still be a widely used term. Interesting though I guess.
bigevilworldwide1 true except for that last bit, if someone does beat the shit out of you, that is a crime, assault among other things, so you CAN pursue legal action on that particular instance.
2nd & Charles in charge
Everyone makes mistakes. It's possible that they didn't mean to print repro on the label. Also stores probably work autonomously regarding 2nd hand stock, so shouting its a huge corporation doesn't mean that much.
So they both put "repro" on the sticker AND priced it at hundreds of dollars less than they should have? That's a YUGE benefit-of-the-doubt.
The stuff that I've seen them sell at the Beaumont Texas site was usually at least 25% less than what you'd pay for it on ebay. The last time I was driving through Beaumont, the store had Dragon Warrior IV with the manual for @ $59.
Possibly the employee labeled it as a repro to disguise it on purpose which is why it was behind the counter in a crate with a bunch of commons and the employee was planning to buy it himself after his shift.
Same with the TI 99. Taking it for themselves.
Yeah I was thinking the same. It seemed to me like some kind of deterrent so they could nab it for themselves once the store managers realized they can't get rid of it. Glad it backfired if that was the case. But what were the odds someone would come along willing to shell out $45 for a repro??
Harry Welchman , honestly I didn't notice it say repro til I was nearly home, I was still pretty shocked at the time
Wait. Can you explain the situation again? I didn't quite grasp it the first 50 times.
X-C
I hate how 2nd and Charles doesn't give you an itemized receipt. Really shady.
I found an original panic restaurant cartridge in a flea market in Mexico. I paid 2 usd for it. However that was not the end of this history. I bought also The flintstones, the surprise at dinosaurs peak. Both games 100% original in perfect condition for only 4 usd. I think i was lucky. It was the last week. February 2019.
here in Denver we have to Second and Charles and I've heard stories of some of the employees taking Silver age comic books or buying them and a very reduced price which really upsets me
what happened to the hippie jesus guy with the t-rex arms?
Sick and not doing well www.gofundme.com/ians-medical-help
MetalJesusRocks?
Mace Windu no he is cured now
The same thing happened to me in North Carolina. They normally have a free bin full of books or whatever. That day they had the earthbound strategy guide as well as the super metroid strategy guide. I went inside and asked the turn in section if they had those games. They had earthbound in a green snes case that belonged to a blockbuster. They couldn't get earthbound to work so they gave it to me for free. I had to wait an additional day to get the other games I saw were brought there so that way they were priced. I also got chrono trigger, super metroid, link to the past, mario kart, and a bunch of others games in box for little over 100 bucks.
At a restaurant in Georgia, at which I once worked, I served a General Manager of a 2nd & Charles. Without me knowing who he was at the time, his wife asked what I thought of the store. I answered honestly stating that I mainly went in there for the retro games and was purchasing less each time I went in there because the prices made no sense. I commented that I thought that fifty dollars for a Legend of Zelda gold cart on NES is a bit much. His wife then tells me who he was and he admitted that prices are, for the most part, gauged by popularity as they are a company that feeds into the impulse buy. Some random schmoe may see that gold Zelda cart and think that it's worth the fifty dollars because it's gold. I've since stopped shopping there unless I'm extremely bored or desparate because I disagree with that business model. All that does is put games in the hands of people that are two years away from attempting to sell it back and thinking that it's worth more than it is. Any well known Nintendo franchise cart suffered the same kind of inflated prices.
12:15 I don't agree with this though, repros, fakes, caunterfeits shouldn't have to be destroyed. Some people just want to play it on their NES but havn't got over a few hundred of thousand bucks left to spend. It's a good cheap alternetive. However it's sad not every repro says it clearly to be a repro.
I followed an employee out of the door after making a purchase who put six Cosby LP's in the free bin. I swooped them up quicker than The Warlord could get eliminated in the Royal Rumble Match.
Could this be a new segment? We have a "Lucky. Buyer. Of. The. Week. Week. Week..."
Pawn shop up the street has a virtual boy for $25 or so. That's about the closest it gets here.
This is actually very good! I collect nes and had a company sell me a "repro" and I contacted Nintendo about it and NEVER heard anything back. Companies should NEVER be allowed to sell reproductions period.
Pat, a similar thing happens at a lot of record stores that really bothers me. Some European/Asian counterfeiters will press up counterfeits of specific versions of older albums known to be sought after, sometimes on colored vinyl, and they will sell these by the boatload and get them distributed widely. There's also a well known group in Germany that does this for more modern hip hop albums. A lot of the stores will out these in the racks and refer to them as "imports", either on the price tag or if asked about it. Of course the seasoned collectors know better but the newbies don't, and I've seen some situations where they'll ask about it and they'll straight up deny outright that it's a counterfeit even though they absolutely know exactly what it is. I get that it's a risk selling this stuff in the store, and I personally don't agree with the practice of selling or supporting that junk at all - but if you're going to do it, don't deceive your customers. Don't lie to them about what it is and don't have it mixed in next to the legal product. This seems very similar to the colorful wording used by 2nd and Charles - "repro" - so they can skirt around the entire issue of the legality.
Why the downvotes? What's the deal with people in this country disliking whistle-blowers who call out corporate (and government) bullshit? Huge props to Pat for using his platform to expose and bring attention to pieces of shit like this who don't care about us, the consumer (or in other cases, the citizen.) What is the obsession with defending the big guy, when it's us, the little guys who get the raw end?
I've seen plenty of "mom & pop" shops selling repros. Not just games that never came out either, I've seen repros of high $ NES, SNES, and Genesis licensed games at probably 60%+ of the stores I've been in all across the eastern US. Most of them do label/price them as repros, but its still the same thing as what 2nd did.
Hell, Goodwills for that matter sell fake designer brands everyday. I bought a set of lawn darts at one 1 month ago...those have been banned in the US since 1988 (they were banned off and on before this as well)
Basically...None of these places care as long as there is some $ to be made.
Interesting about lawn darts - no wonder I've never seen any.
I once bought shotgun shells at salvation army. Anyways, I wonder what the odds are that an employee priced that at $50 with plans to buy it for himself or have someone else come in and do it for him.
Yeah, a local place here in Canada is usually selling repro copies of Pokemon Leaf Green and Donkey Kong Country for the GBA. Also, when I was there when they first had them they had three or two copies of EACH. They didn't label them as fake, although the labels where pretty fake (more so on the DKC where the title was stretched), but instead later would list real copies on their online site as "real" and not listing fakes as fake.
Ramjet164 Lawn darts are basically a scaled up version of the classic pub dart. Imagine a dart about 12" (about 30cm for you) with a rod on the back to hold. You place a circular target on the ground whatever distance away from you, then toss the dart up in the air by the handle and let gravity do the rest. The darts have a metal tip, but they are blunt. The velocity of the falling dart sticks it into the ground. You and friends take turns doing this and score by hitting within the target ring on the ground. They are also sometimes called yard javelins or "jarts" IMO they are perfectly safe when used correctly. Unfortunately stupid people and unsupervised children are two things that do exist so lawn darts were the end factor in almost 7,000 emergency room cases and 5 deaths within a 10 year time span.
Found a rare Droids cared Boba Felt for $100 (worth $1500-2000) at a 2nd Charles. Meaning they didnt give whoever trading it, not anything what its worth. They had more from the line really cheap.
Pat has a counterfeit game himself, Mr Gimmick. And before any of that unrealesed bs, rare as it is, it was released in Scandinavia on an official nes cart. Panic Restaurant was never released in my neck of the woods, so surly it's okay for this repro to exist, importing does happen. I hope your Mr Gimmick is clearly labelled as a repro or uses alternative art to the real deal.
What the fuck ate you talking about?
I don't mean to be critical of you, but I must point out the time in your flea market madness video where someone was selling an $80 game for $10, and you proceeded to offer $8 for it...
I respect that you are very passionate about retro gaming but it will be ok Pat it will be ok.
"Repros should be destroyed." Why didn't you do that with Jame's NWC purple repro cart? lol
Seriously though, what about the repros of the ultra rare (NWC, Campus Challenge, etc.) that are made of different color plastics to be obvious fakes? The ones that are made for the guys that just want a physical cartridge but don't want to spend tens of thousands of dollars on 1 of 10 units.
These are good examples of the biggest problems with used video game shops with untrained employees.
What should be a red flag is that a corporate store has an Inventory SKU for a counterfeit game. In other words they have placeholders in their inventory system for fraudulent goods. Assuming the copyright hasn't expired, and you could find the copyright holder, they might have a legal case they could bring against 2nd and Charles, but that's assuming you could figure that out and they cared to make a case for a game they don't make money on anymore.
My local store posted a factory sealed NES super Mario world 2 for a decent price. Went up there to buy it and it was not factory sealed at all. In fact it didn't have the H seam, as well as the top lid crease had plain paint chipping. I told the GM that it's not real and he told me to my face that he believes me and he doesn't know anything about sealed games.
I assume the employees are just told to assume the real rare games are repros, simply because the minimum wage cashiers aren't qualified to judge wether it's repro or not. They certainly don't want to buy and sell a cart as real when it turns out it's repro.
I'm into 8-bit computers and their history and YES, a ti-99 is collectible and you could even make a bit of money off of one in the box. They aren't insanely rare, (just look at e-bay) but people still want them. I think they employee yoinked it.
I'm not actually surprised at all by this. My local second and Charles only has like 2 employees who actually know what they're doing with retro games. Items are frequently mislabeled or priced in ways that make no freaking sense. I actually have come across a counterfeit gba game there once, but to be fair, there was nothing to indicate that they knew it was fake and it was a very convincing one. I didn't even realize it until 3 days after I bought it and realized it played on my gba, but not retron. Then I opened it up to discover a glob of epoxy and the word "nimtomdo" written in a slightly wrong font on the board.
One is sufficient enough, two is a crowd, Pat.
Hey Pat, I have no knowledge of the particular laws in the US governing this sort of stuff, but I personally don't see an issue with selling repro carts marketed as repro carts at this point in time. There might still be people who just want to PLAY those games - neither collect nor preserve them. As long as said games are out of production and are not being sold officially in a cart format by whoever holds the rights this shouldn't be a problem at all. I doubt NES repro market is bringing down the economy after all.
I can totally see Frank as a Red Mage. You should seriously set him up with a Red Mage costume for Halloween, that would be marvelous.
The M&M Video Game store here in Tampa has a Turtles in Time repro and a NES repro in their glass case.
Okay, here's what I think.
All that matters in this situation is that somebody got a game they wanted and didn't pay eBay scalper prices. If the person trading the game in doesn't know the value of the game then what does it hurt them? In my eyes, complaining about this is equivalent to complaining about someone getting an Earthbound from a yard sale for $20 rather than paying the average going price of $200. What does it matter? They got rid of their old "trash", and someone else, considering they don't resell it for a profit, found some "treasure".
I can remember working at a Subway restaurant as an young lad, and I PANICKED all of the time trying to serve customers and pretty much running the shop all alone including washing the dishes. :D
I currently and never have seen the stores "2nd & Charles". I can say however, that some smaller stores/chains that are similar to their business do these exact things. However, they've done these things to also Music and rare print movies. I personally witnessed a store employee at a shop called Disc Jockey offered little money for a box of DVDs they brought in. 1 of those DVDs was a "Drop Dead Fred", which I recall as being a sub-par movie overall but was unaware of it's rarity until 2 weeks later coming back in and seeing the same DVD on the shelf as labeled over $125. I also know this store/location to have employees regularly take home "no longer viable items" that they would later sell on eBay or craigslist or to local collectors. These places are not being held accountable by really anyone as these incidents were from nearly 4-6 years. Seeing this still being an issue to those that would like to see things preserved properly is truly sad.
Tristan Johns you can buy a PAL copy of that film for £2 here in the UK, maybe it was a Pal one? - Really sucks that they do that though, I traded a box of 80 DVDs into blockbuster video over here years ago and they told me that the more I traded in the less I got for each of them. So for example every 10you traded in knocked X% off each individual one. Sadly I was moving house and had to get rid of them fast, you couldn't even go to their other stores with a load because you had to have an account with them which would still add this discount wherever you went.
Still managed to get a few PS3 games with the money though so I didn't mind at the time. Had I not been in a hurry I could have quadrupled the value on eBay or gumtree.
Pat, I also frequent the local 2nd & Charles in my area, Harrisburg PA. And in all my visits there the only free bin game appearance was a CIB copy of Bubsy on the Genesis.
Pat, your rants defending retro games preservation are the highlight of my morning tea. Thanks.
how about all the flea market sellers that get ripped off from resellers? buy a game for 2 bucks and its worth 50$, don't see the buyer telling them it's worth way more.
One employee probably said its a reproduction. We will give you $5 for it, and then set it behind the counter until they would possibly buy it at the end of their shift? Maybe another employee, not knowing sold the copy to the lucky purchaser.
People trading in, in most cases don't know the worth of the games, and they are pretty much happy to take anything, so them getting ripped off is their own ignorance, as you said, they could've gotten a lot more on ebay - if they looked, but they didn't.
It would be pretty bad if the employee was lying about the worth of the game, but if he did, he'd know the worth and just take it for himself. So there was really no gain for him there. if the store has a set price of sorts, and the customer agrees, there's absolutely no issue if he gets ripped off, unless he was "pressured", lied to, etc.
I have a TI-99/4A complete in box and extra programming books for it. If u want it Pat, its yours!
I tried to trade in my Legend of Zelda - The Minish Cap cart in hopes to get a few bucks, but was told they couldn't accept it because it was a repro. It's possible because I bought it used off Amazon and the battery does not work I guess because it won't hold a save. I let them know up front so either they went with it or was truthful. They didn't make mention of the free bin. This was in Hoover, AL.
Wish that would have came through the Greenville SC store! Well at that price!
1 more thing. Casey should contact the store's Management and explain the situation because when you trade in games at a 2nd & Charles they take your Driver's License and any trade in credit goes onto your personal account. They SHOULD be able to look at the time stamp that the game was traded in and locate/contact the individual and fix this whole fucked up situation.
What did he say "Hell I don't own a TI99 in the box, used to that sold the story?" Ergads what?!?! 3:07 Love your dropping Ian's shop out there, see, Ian's not in a dumpster, he's just working while being ill!
It pisses me off that the game's original owner got screwed over because of an incompetent employee.
But I don't have a problem in selling reproduction cartridges in general. IF you make it clear that it's a repro and don't try to pass it off as a real game! I have bought a few repro cartridges myself. Because I'm not a serious collector, I just want to enjoy the game. For those of us who don't want to pay ridiculous amounts of money, repro carts are the only way to enjoy the more rare games of the NES.
I just had a thought about this. Maybe what the employees do when they price these games is look them up on ebay and then cut and paste the ebay listing title onto the sticker printing software and accidentally copied a repro listing title. Just a thought.
I'm not sure how often THIS type of thing comes up, but there's currently a scumbag seller trying to offload a Stadium Events reproduction cart at the Buy-It-Now price of $1,000 USD. This person is openly confirming that it is not an original and is still trying to swindle a grand from some unsuspecting bastard.
Dude, I miss 2nd&Charles. They were a great store.
I have 2 TI 99/4As in their boxes, joysticks in their box, and several games in their boxes.
...Make your offer, Pat.
$25 each for the consoles is about right.
JakeHarvey
In the box with the manuals and everything? It will cost $25 just to ship one properly...
If the Beginner's Basic and User's Reference Guide have good bindings (they fall apart pretty quickly after you start reading them) I'd pay a little more. Also if it has a nice video modulator without the RF forks ripped off and the sticky tape unused... I'd pay a bit more. Also, beige or black makes a difference to me. Most beige are V2.2 roms that have a third party cartridge lockout.
And if any of your joysticks are beige... I see those so infrequently I'm not really sure what they're worth but I'd pay more.
JakeHarvey
All of my reference guides are in 8/10 condition. They were never really used. Both boxed computers are black/silver, but I do have one beige unit. Joysticks are black. RF cables were in fine condition the last time I had them out of the box 20 years ago. I'm not sure what the sticky tape is, but I know we never stuck them on to a TV or anything. My dad would have never allowed that.
I also have an expansion box with a ram expansion, dual 360k floppies, and an IO controller for a printer. 3 speech synthesizers too. I think 2 cassette decks with IO cords.
Ideally I'd like to sell ALL of it to someone locally. Shipping on all of that stuff will cost someone a fortune.
BUT.. I could pretty easily part with one of the boxed systems if someone wanted to pay a fair price for it. $25 isn't worth the effort to double box it.
I bet Panic Restaurant was gotten via a bunch of NES games they gave 15$ credit for.
Or one employee took the cart in thinking it was legit, then another employee (manager?) said it was a repo. This option doesn't take away from Pat's point on selling a counterfeit game though.
This would only "boil my fucking blood" if they gave them pennies on the dollar, told them it was a repro, and then sold it as an ORIGINAL for full market value. This doesn't "boil my fucking blood" because the employee, just like the customer, had the full ability to take 2 minutes to research, discover it was an original and its potential value, and fucked up anyway. Its a happy accident, all around, that resulted in this dude scoring an OG Panic Restaurant for a steal. People will forever be ignorant of any number of aspects of retro game collecting...i wouldn't expect every single employee to know their shit that well. What happened wasn't somebody taking advantage of a clueless customer...it was TWO totally clueless people handling the game, and getting it into the hands of somebody who knew what it was and what it was worth. Sounds pretty good to me as a fellow collector.
additionally, i understand why this bothers you. But I think we could both agree that people being too clueless to check something's value themselves first...or doing it and being too lazy to care and just wanting the game gone, has benefitted just about every single collector of ANYTHING out there. It just comes with the territory...and if you can say you never have...man, you paid way too much for all your shit! haha
at least they unknowingly screwed someone, most collectors and resellers would have knowingly screwed them
I understand pat thinks repros are worthless but they are worth what someone is willing to pay. 20 years ago nes carts were worthless. I think collectors just get bent out of shape because they are worried it may devalue their legitimate copy. As long as a repro is sold as such it's up to the buyer if they are willing to pay the price or not.
TBH I hope they do devalue the legitimate copies. Earthbound is good but it's not $200 good...
Maybe a shady employee priced it like that just so they could get it on the cheap. I know this happens at thrift stores all the time
hondaawhat honestly I thought the same thing, I didn't notice the price tag said repro til I was nearly home
If you assume they don't know what they're doing, you should also assume they tried to look up the price online. Having no idea what "repro" meant, they would go with the more conservative price. Pricing in line with the more-conservative prices they find online would be standard practice -- to ensure they aren't stuck with a bunch of things so grossly over-priced that they would never sell. They don't claim to be experts. You're giving them too much flak!
When I searched for this game I get like 3 "real" ones and butt loads of aliexapress fakes....
I've somewhat pondered the question of replacing labels if the old one is in terrible condition. I was out shopping and came across a black Genesis cartridge with absolutely no label. I paid a dollar and it not only worked, but was a decent fighter. it was called eternal champions. I haven't found a proper label to replace the blank canvas, but wonder if that truly depreciates the value of a game MASSIVELY whereas it's the legit copy, just new label. should bring top/equal price. but I think 25 percent off is fair.
Isn't it much more likely that the guy labeling the Panic Restaurant simply misspelled RETRO and was too lazy to change it. The likelyhood of some clerk at this store even knowing what a repro is is fairly small.
I would never trade games for cash or store credit there, but I do go there once every few weeks looking for good deals on retro games and I hope they continue to sell them because there are very few places in my area that sell retro games and usually their prices are about 90% of eBay. The retro stores in my area charge 100-110% of eBay value. 2nd and Charles will get my business.
he sounds bitter that he didn't find it.
The amount of people that don't understand that this is a $500 game blow my mind.
It's not criminal, but if the copyright holder were to challenge the action in civil court they would most likely prevail.
Anyone have stories of sellers/stores getting in legal trouble for selling counterfeit game cartridges? Would like to see a segment on CUPodcast.
Ya know Pat, I didn't even consider the original seller. You're right, sucks for that guy. Damn.
"Panic Restaurant" is currently going on ebay new for almost $5000 from seller ( powerupvideogames ). I guess I'm never going to get to play or own Kenji Eno's first official game. :( :(
There are loads of places in USA that sell repos even online sell repos and nothing happens to those stores. Well they do label it repo they do NOT claim it to be real so that is another thing to think about.
Pat & Mike Kennedy walk into a 2nd & Charles.
it obviously wasnt worth hundreds of dollars to whoever offloaded it. they could have taken it anywhere else to trade in
I agree that misdiagnosing it as a repro is a big problem. But I am not sure that I have a big problem with second hand stores selling repro games, assuming they disclose and price it accordingly.
I mean, if the game is out of print... Of course. Not a repro version of some current title in stores.
Eh... The more I think as I type, I guess it is a bad practice. I guess I am at a point that I wouldn't mind some repro carts in my collection (assuming it was priced cheap). Just as a means to play the games. But people can't be trusted to not take advantage of people, so I guess it is bad and Pat is correct.
The person who traded in the game might have thought it was a repro, or even told them it was.
I’ve always had a good experience every time I go to 2nd and Charles, but the higher prices do bother me. This story is pretty eye opening
I hate repro/counterfeits myself but what are your thoughts on something like a repro NWC cart or stadium events, items that most collectors will never have but at the same time they want to come close to completing their collection.
Technically, there's no difference between an official game and a repro, other than authenticity. Although it's still wrong, because people buy them thinking they're the real thing, when they're not. Although I think although LEGALLY, it would be a problem to sell reproductions and just tell people they're reproduction, there is nothing MORALLY wrong with it, since the devs aren't making money off the games anymore.
Sucks for me that I kind of just got serious into collecting SNES stuff. I honestly wish I got into it WAY sooner than I did. Anyway, awesome video, guys! #CUPodcast #NESPunk
This is normal for places like that and GameStop, etc. I had a buddy who worked for GameStop and they would just fuck with the carts and change out boards, etc.
I want to put this out there because there seem to be too many people not grasping the situation.
Those of you who harp on Pat for not liking repros are not looking at the big picture. Repro is literally a candy coated term for a fake. Counterfeit. Fraudulent. He's a collector and has been a part of the hobby for way longer than most any of us here. With FAKE games circulating in the market it DAMAGES the hobby because this isn't like there's a store you can go to and get clearly counterfeit games if you want to save money on them. People make them look real FOR A REASON. To dupe people into spending shit loads of money on a FAKE item.
I doubt Pat would have an issue with them if people were making them for personal use. But that's the problem. People AREN'T. Even if they started out that way people get bored or desperate for cash so they use their fake and scam people out of cash.
Repro's are malicious to the hobby even if you don't personally feel that way. It's a fact. It would be like if people started making loads of fake Pokémon or Magic cards for personal use just to play on the cheap since they don't wanna spend big bucks on the expensive cards. Then get bored and now they have a bunch of useless cardboard. So they sell them to a local store under the pretense they are real, make cash and walk away.
Now if the store never realized they were fake, they're circulating FAKE cards into the blood stream of the hobby. Accidentally conning other people out of their cash.
One could say "Blame the store for not catching the mistake". No, I blame the fucker who MADE THE CARDS. It's THEIR fault for putting fakes out and devaluing the hobby.
TBH I hope fakers get so good at it that repro carts become 100% indistinguishable from the real thing, and they flood the market so all the prices come back down.
There is a store near me selling an Hagane SNES "Repro" for $50 and a secret of Mana "Repro" maybve I should go open the carts lmfao.
How don't you know the person who brought it in said it was a repro? seems a little odd for an employee to claim it is without any kind of knowledge of it but if the person who turned it in said it was repro sounds more likely.
Are you surprised that a repro Panic Restaurant was sold at a chain store? And that it turned out to be real? Do you have any similar stories?
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Well no but who put a fucking repro label on it.
Pat the NES Punk is there any way someone CAN buy repro games? I'm talking games that are very uncommon and not everyone could afford the hundreds to plonk down to get.
Pat the NES Punk ya i got a chrono trigger at a retro store for 5 bucks cause the label was torn and they thought it didn't work lol. well it worked lol
oh and it was dirty as shit but i cleaned it and proof it worked
Jonathan Herr ya the game store here where i dwell they sell repro carts they also take Japanese snes games and put English into them so we can play and understand the texts lol
Pat - you do realize that if somebody says "hey my local 2nd and charles is great " they are not explicitly shilling for the corporation. They are most likely saying the employees at their local store are nice or maybe they have found a good deal there. corporations can be shitty but that does not mean all employees are shitty and all locations are shit. cmon Pat......
usually multiple different games use the same board. I found a website that has the boards for all the nes carts and usually each one is used by a lot of different games. What makes you so sure that they didn't just salvage a different game that uses the same board to create the repro and then do a good job with the label?
snescentral.com/system.php as you can see from there most of the boards are used by multiple games. I can't find a website like that for nes but im sure there is one somewhere.
www.thenesdump.com/Mappers/TLROM.htm actually it looks like all these games use that same board. basically there really isn't any way to tell a fake from a real cart if they use the right donor cart and make a good label. So it's possible that was a repro
Oh and get this I have seen employees that do the price checking at 2nd and Charles calling people and holding aside juicy games just for them. I heard them holding aside rarer comics and wanted games like Majoras Mask. I could clearly hear them form the retro gaming shelves.
Butt hurt chronicles should be your podcast name