Hey everyone! Just an FYI, I made this video several weeks ago, but Trek only allows me to release videos on bikes after they have been released in the US. Therefore, this video will be released tomorrow morning (01/19)!
The main reason I went to Dual Sport last year instead of the FX is because of the front suspension. Now that they removed the front suspension with Gen 5, FX and Dual Sport are now kinda similar in my opinion. I still love the front suspension on my Dual Sport. Great review by the way :)
@@eare84 how could you "not use" the front suspension. Put a camera on it and you'll see it moves even on the road, at every pot hole, when you brake, accelerate and so on. Even when you lock it. For mainly road use, consider the FX, which will be lighter and faster, Oblivion has a point there
I have a Gen 4 DS3 and the adjustable suspension is one of my favourite features of the bike, the other is the single drivetrain. Nice video BTW, I really liked the other one I think you did going over the various DualSport versions, that helped me decide on the drivetrain as I was looking at the 21 model (2x9) and the 22 (1x10) DS3s.
Wife just got the DS2g4 and she is pretty happy with it; I lock up the suspension when I ride it as I am much heavier than her and feel like it is useless. I went with the DS3g5 (and it came in today) and so glad I did, the wider tires and rigid suspension make me feel like a kid again (even though it was quite cold and windy in the upper midwest today). Looking forward to warmer weather and getting out riding like we did when our kids were young.
What is the point of this bike now?!? What’s the difference between a FX 3 and a DS 3? Tire clearance? I was daily commuting on a ‘22 DS3 and upgraded to a FX Sport 6 to save weight and didn’t need a fork. Thanks for the video, you have been a great source of information for me.
Your great review was just in time. I was about to pull the trigger on a DS3 -G4. The loss of the front suspension seems disappointing but it's not highly thought of apparently (I have zero experience with one anyway). Thanks for the through rundown.
The name Dual Sport lent it it being useful on milder off road trails. You'd want the front suspension unless your simply riding asphalt. Even old cobble-stone streets feels much better with front suspension.
Very nice comparison that is hard to find anywhere else. I wish you could do the same with the different verve line up and different generations. In my opinion, as a middle age man, the verve is the most comfortable and it's great for the few short fun rides I do around the neighborhood once in a while. I also think they are big bicycles, so you might need a medium size even if everything tells you that a large is your size. I only wish the verve had front suspensions. Also a rear frame suspension would be better than the seat suspension since it limits you from lower the seat past a certain point.
Wow, I’m surprised they removed the front suspension. Why even bother have the FX line anymore? For as much as people rag on the dual sports suspension, I love it. I strictly ride gravel / atv trails and it’s a godsend on 50k+ rides.
Went by the local Trek shop and stood over one yesterday (DS3 gen 5 - didn't have the time to test ride). Seems like it'll be a comfy ride but something I could still do some light gravel rides, and hop off some curbs on my daily commute. Nice and light-ish. This is definitely on my top 3 when I go to purchase a new commuter for myself. Love the mounting options and the 650b size tires for mixed terrain. The old Diamondback Haanjo is a bit long in tooth so looking for a new bike that is a bit more modern in geo and spec (1x drivetrain!!) and this looks like it could be the one. Actually glad that Trek went with a rigid fork - for me mostly commuting and urban exploring, makes more sense. Thanks for detailed comparison on the DS lineup!
ive got the 2023 DS 3. debated between that and the FX . Glad i went DS as the FX would have been too stiff . Had it over rough ground , tree roots Single rut trail today and the bike is fine but you do feel a lot through the hands . i think theyre right shock forks are to heavy for what this bike will do but a suspension stem would be just right
I've started shopping for a new mountain bike. I'm interested in rigid for the simplicity and weight savings. I'll likely do more single-track riding than the bike is designed for. Nothing too rough, and I'm a conservative rider. Will this bike be up to the challenge? I'm looking at the DS3 Gen 5 with the carbon fork.
Thanks for the review. I am trying to decide between trek ds 3 gen 5 and Marin dsx1. But I am unable to find a direct comparison. Would you be so kind to give your opinion regarding main differences between those 2 bikes? Which would be more suited for what purpose.
Hi Talalipop, Could you compare this DS 3 with the FX 3 in real life test, not a specs comparaison, as these 2 bikes are now very close...it will help me to decide if I should buy the DS 3 or the FX 3?...Thanks, Olivier, Belgium
@@LostInLeiden Hi, I did not buy yet, have to move apartment first, then buy it in my new town from local TREK dealer...and save the money for it too! But seeing some bad belgian blocks streets in Tournai I will probably take the Dual Sport 3 as FX is more for good smooth roads...that is my choice for now...I do not know yet in which town I will move too...talk to you later...
@@TalalipopMTB Hi Talalipop, I know you lost your job at TREK, sad...so comparing FX3 to DS3 5gen(no front suspension) is not happening anymore? Do you at least have an "in theory" kind of answer to my question? Please let me know.
Ayo, thanks for the vid. I have dual sport 2 years now and my main issue with this bike is front suspension so i thought about putting bigger fork like rockshox judy on it, do you think its worth that upgrade and on this new model can u put drops to make it like a gravel bike?
Haven’t thought about upgrading the fork on the DS. It would change the ride feel a little bit since the Judy has 100mm of travel or more, so at least 30mm higher which makes you sit more upright on the bike. That could potentially make the pedaling less efficient. And you may be able to put drop bars on it but that would require you to get new shift levers and new brake levers and bar tape, so it would cost a good amount
Hi. I am in the market for a crossover bike and the Trek DS is one that i am reviewing. I am super curious of Trek's fork change to the rigid type setup and adding wider tires. Were you able to ride both of them? Thoughts? Thanks.
I bought an FX rather than a DS in 2017 because the Suntour NEX fork was a lot of extra weight and, to my mind, not much more than a false moustache. The choice now between a DS 2 Gen 5 and the FX 2 is more difficult. The latest DS is chunkier and weighs about 1kg more than the FX (same is true of this rider, compared to 2017), but the wider, deeper tyres of the DS would be welcome. I have 700 x 38c tyres on my FX.
@Talalipop MTB have you had a chance to ride on DS 3 Gen 5? If yes, how does the carbon fork combined with wider tires make up for the lack of suspension? I am very tempted to buy this bike. I'd love to see your review on that specific model in detail. If you were to change some parts of it, what would that be? M4100 shifters seem dated a bit.
I am between FX 3 and Dual Sport 3 Gen 5. I will ride everyday from home to school (total 20 mins a day - 4 miles). I am 44 and just learned how to ride a bike :). Although I will mainly use the bike for going school/home, I still think a bike that can also go on gravel would be a better option. What do you think?
Comparing the Geometry on 99spokes, The new Dual Sport and the 2022/2023 FX Sports have very similar geometry and intended gravel use. Nothing wrong with that per say, but I do wonder if trek will address the lack of a road oriented flat bar bike? I test rode a 2023 FX 6 last year and hated how lazy the geometry was, so I picked up a Marin DSX 2 (best flat bar gravel bike on the market in my opinion).
I am going to look at the DS2 gen 5 and the DS 3gen 4 this weekend. I am leaning towards the DS3 gen 4 because it's on sale for $50 more thanks the DS2 gen 5 and has the same setup as the DS3 gen 5. What do you think about these choices?
I bought a DS3 gen 4 nd I love it. I thought the whole point of the lockout fork was the versatility. Thus the name DUAL Sport. Other than that it's just a FX.
I want the DS3 Gen 5. I Heard that die to supply chain issues, Trek is putting Tektro brakes and different stems and seats on the bike as opposed to what is listed in the specs. If they do replace the Shimano brakes with Tektro, will they still be hydraulic?
@Talalipop MTB Hi, great video. Just wanted your thoughts on something. I have the DS4 gen 4 with an upgraded SLX drivetrain. Wanted to put a rigid carbon fork on it, the bike shop is saying it’s a waste of money just buy a new DS3. My thoughts are even the new DS9 is a downgrade in components compared to my bike. Also would you say the new DS’s are basically rigid fork mountain bikes now with their change to 27.5 wheels? I think a better upgrade would be to an FX with higher specs than my bike, I don’t want to go down in specs. Your thoughts? Thank you
Was literally about to pull the trigger on a 2023 FX 3 and now no see this. Basically the same bike component wise aside from the totally different geometry + tires. Thoughts on the two?
I think the FX would be more of your fitness and lightweight bike and it has the duo trap s compatibility so you can add the trek speed and cadence sensor. The FX is still more for the road while the dual sport can definitely handle the road and some light trails and gravel, but it will be slower by a bit on the road
It’ll be less fast and less easy to go uphill overall than a drivetrain with more speeds, but the rear cassette gears do have a wide enough range where it will be manageable for most city riding. If you live in a particularly hilly area then Getting something with more speeds is probably better
Serious question. Why would anybody want rigid front forks? I've been riding Trek Mtn bikes for 15 yrs with front suspension and never thought about it. Is there some benefit to rigid front forks ? Seems like all the bumps go directly to your hands & arms , no?
I agree but they want it to be more of a road bike it seems. You can lockout the fork. Seems to me like giving less for more money is what is happening here.
I bought the Dual Sport 3 Gen 5 as a fitness bike. I'm not hammering trails with rocks and tree roots, so I don't need a heavy set of cheap front shocks ruining my fun.
You know how loud teen girls used to scream at Justin Bieber concerts? That’s how loud I screamed. I mean, Specialized has been doing it for a little while already, so Trek gotta catch up, but I’m happy to finally see the DS get the upgrade away from those horrid forks.
I was thinking to buy 2023 trek dual sport gen 5 bike today and was not sure should I get a medium or large. Visited the store and did the test drive. The medium runs OK, but I did not feel the hydrolic breaks are better than traditional mechanical breaks (I have an old one with mechanical breaks). Overall my subjective grade for the bike is: 7 out of 10 . Then I drove the L size , which looks much better fit for me. However, I paid attention that there is wierd sounds while switching gears. The transition goes with jumps. Told the store manager about it, and they trid to fix it. They did not explained me what is the problem and how common it is for the bikes. I also paid attention that the pedals are very poor quality, the hand bar is somewhat primitive....so I thought that it does not worth $1000 more to buy a bike , when the first thing you would like to do is to buy a new set of pedals. My gut feeling was ...to enjoy my current bike and be contented what I already have.
I’m actually curious, but what difference does it make between having flat mounts vs post mounts? Honestly, I’m likely considering the Gen 4 Dual Sport 2 but I’ll probably change the tires as an upgrade.
Honestly it’s not really different performance wise, just changes the look of the bike a tiny bit or might make it easier for designers to form the fork of the bike a certain way. Either way though it’s not too important, but I wanted to mention it since it is a difference
As do I. A cheap front shock would add weight with very little travel, and thus do almost nothing to absorb bumps. My 2024 DS3 is light, and standing up in the pedals I can hop over almost anything. I can bunny hop easily over curbs, which you can't do with a shock lumbering ahead of you.
Not sure about the aesthetics of the new forks…Also that new style cable routing looks more challenging in terms of servicing…Any idea when you’ll be getting to try them out?…They’ve had them on the road in Vietnam for months at this stage.
I just saw on my shop's page a Dual Sport 4 Gen 4. Is that real? It has a 1 x 11 and front suspension (which is the same 63mm but they say it's "better"). Will you be getting this in and reviewing?
Yeah that bike has been out since 2021. I made a full review on it in person as well as comparison videos on it. Trek has not changed anything on that bike for 2023
@@TalalipopMTB Wow. I don't see how I missed that. I check the lineup about three times a month. There was a DS4 on the list, but it never got upgraded to a 2022, never had Gen 4 tacked on to the name, and was never in stock. Now the web site says its a 2023 and is $200+ more. Is Gen 4 a current marketing gimmick?
Yeah Trek has been rebranding some of their older models to 2023 models, but nothing has changed. I've seen some other bike companies do it as well but yeah it's more of a trick unfortunately
Not sure why anyone would recommend the ds 2 over the ds 1. The alloy ds 2 fork is lighter...but I have owned two trek hybrids with alloy forks (trek 7.3 fx 2014 and trek zektor 2017) and they are just way too uncomfortable compared to the cheaper steel fork and the more expensive carbon fork (2015 trek 7.4 fx). DS 3 for serious cyclist or DS 1 for casual cyclist is how I look at it.
Been planning on getting a fx 3 until I saw this. DS 3 5th gen...about time they got rid of the heavy suspension forks. Only reason I've had two FX models and never a DS is because suspension forks are simply useless for a commuter bike given how heavy they are and the annoying maintenance you should do with suspension forks
Yeah I ride on some light gravel but mostly paved trails. But I use my all city space horse for those. I plan on getting the ds 3 gen 5 in olive green this year...I bet it will be nice flat bar version of my space horse and be my new everyday commuter. Are you getting a ds gen 5?
I'm deciding between Fx3 and DS3gen5 but I'll mostly be commuting on paved roads so I think those chunky DS tires will be too sluggish compared to the FX. What do you think?
Can someone help me in picking out a quality bike? Im coming from a trash schwinn taff. Total trash bike,...Anyways Im thinking of getting something lighter & faster. I felt like the taff was heavy and i could barely get any speed...Ive decided I want to get a quality bike as I normally bike around 3 days a week almost yr round. Im sick of having to fix things. The taff has been in for repairs 3 times since Ive owned it and it still cost me around 280 and shockingly im seeing it selling for 330 on amazon lol So Im wanting something quality in the 400 to 500 range if possible if not then 600?
It went together easily in less than an hour. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
It's all about the sidewall, though. The smaller diameter of the 650b wheel fits tyres with a deeper sidewall to restore some of the comfort lost to the rigid fork.
I guess Trek did not want people to know that an all aluminum DS 2 Gen 2 weighs about 27 pounds fork and all. More of a real hybrid because this thing is turning into a road bike.
@@LostInLeiden I think the FX uses 700c wheels and prob different geometry, DS has 27.5 wheels , can get wider tires. DS seems more beefier , can take on light trails.
What do you think is worse about the gen 5? It seems way better to me because there is no front suspension...I prefer steel and carbon fiber for my Fuchs. Aluminum forks are just too uncomfortable. Suspension is useless extra weight for my purposes. I buy mountain bikes with suspension but not for gravel bike (yes you can buy gravel bikes with suspension lol)
It’s way lighter in the 2 & 3 models, neater cable routing upfront, upgraded components and better frame geometry for trails. For me it’s a definite upgrade on the gen 4. The wider 650b tyres more than make up for the lack of any front suspension, which were poor quality on the gen 4s in any event. Nobody really cares about the Duotrap. And nobody needs or wants a dropper post on a hybrid bike.
What bike isn't made in China? All manufacturers have frames coming out of Taiwan, which really means: "Made in China and repackaged in Taiwan." If you have $8,000 to buy a hand-made small production frame from the U.S., then good for you. I don't.
Hey everyone! Just an FYI, I made this video several weeks ago, but Trek only allows me to release videos on bikes after they have been released in the US. Therefore, this video will be released tomorrow morning (01/19)!
Keep making videos like this young bro! This is your niche!!!💯
Thanks!! Yeah I love making these ones for sure
The main reason I went to Dual Sport last year instead of the FX is because of the front suspension. Now that they removed the front suspension with Gen 5, FX and Dual Sport are now kinda similar in my opinion. I still love the front suspension on my Dual Sport. Great review by the way :)
Thank you! And yeah it’ll be interesting to see how the compare on the road now
Bought the DS2 almost two years ago and I haven't used the front suspension once. May have to upgrade to the DS3G5.
@@eare84 Good for you 👍
I have an fx and have had ds's in the past. It is baffling they got rid of the suspension.
@@eare84 how could you "not use" the front suspension. Put a camera on it and you'll see it moves even on the road, at every pot hole, when you brake, accelerate and so on. Even when you lock it. For mainly road use, consider the FX, which will be lighter and faster, Oblivion has a point there
That was very informative! Good job, thanks.
You’re welcome!
I have a Gen 4 DS3 and the adjustable suspension is one of my favourite features of the bike, the other is the single drivetrain. Nice video BTW, I really liked the other one I think you did going over the various DualSport versions, that helped me decide on the drivetrain as I was looking at the 21 model (2x9) and the 22 (1x10) DS3s.
Thank you! I’m happy it helped!
Wife just got the DS2g4 and she is pretty happy with it; I lock up the suspension when I ride it as I am much heavier than her and feel like it is useless. I went with the DS3g5 (and it came in today) and so glad I did, the wider tires and rigid suspension make me feel like a kid again (even though it was quite cold and windy in the upper midwest today). Looking forward to warmer weather and getting out riding like we did when our kids were young.
What is the point of this bike now?!? What’s the difference between a FX 3 and a DS 3? Tire clearance? I was daily commuting on a ‘22 DS3 and upgraded to a FX Sport 6 to save weight and didn’t need a fork. Thanks for the video, you have been a great source of information for me.
Thanks for the review.
Welcome!
I love these videos. Thank you. I need the verve next
Your great review was just in time. I was about to pull the trigger on a DS3 -G4. The loss of the front suspension seems disappointing but it's not highly thought of apparently (I have zero experience with one anyway). Thanks for the through rundown.
Thanks for watching! Glad I was able to help out a bit :)
The name Dual Sport lent it it being useful on milder off road trails. You'd want the front suspension unless your simply riding asphalt. Even old cobble-stone streets feels much better with front suspension.
Front suspension is nice to have.
Very nice comparison that is hard to find anywhere else. I wish you could do the same with the different verve line up and different generations. In my opinion, as a middle age man, the verve is the most comfortable and it's great for the few short fun rides I do around the neighborhood once in a while. I also think they are big bicycles, so you might need a medium size even if everything tells you that a large is your size. I only wish the verve had front suspensions. Also a rear frame suspension would be better than the seat suspension since it limits you from lower the seat past a certain point.
Wow, I’m surprised they removed the front suspension. Why even bother have the FX line anymore? For as much as people rag on the dual sports suspension, I love it. I strictly ride gravel / atv trails and it’s a godsend on 50k+ rides.
I thought about it the other way around. The DS3 Gen 5 and FX3 are nearly identical, why have the DS range anymore?
Yea its a true hybrid now. Good for light off roading
Went by the local Trek shop and stood over one yesterday (DS3 gen 5 - didn't have the time to test ride). Seems like it'll be a comfy ride but something I could still do some light gravel rides, and hop off some curbs on my daily commute. Nice and light-ish. This is definitely on my top 3 when I go to purchase a new commuter for myself. Love the mounting options and the 650b size tires for mixed terrain. The old Diamondback Haanjo is a bit long in tooth so looking for a new bike that is a bit more modern in geo and spec (1x drivetrain!!) and this looks like it could be the one. Actually glad that Trek went with a rigid fork - for me mostly commuting and urban exploring, makes more sense. Thanks for detailed comparison on the DS lineup!
Thank you for watching! Agree with all of your impressions on this bike regarding its use and functions. Definitely a good one
ive got the 2023 DS 3. debated between that and the FX . Glad i went DS as the FX would have been too stiff .
Had it over rough ground , tree roots Single rut trail today and the bike is fine but you do feel a lot through the hands . i think theyre right shock forks are to heavy for what this bike will do but a suspension stem would be just right
Great work
Thanks!
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I've started shopping for a new mountain bike. I'm interested in rigid for the simplicity and weight savings. I'll likely do more single-track riding than the bike is designed for. Nothing too rough, and I'm a conservative rider. Will this bike be up to the challenge? I'm looking at the DS3 Gen 5 with the carbon fork.
Nice video! Why might someone choose this over a gravel bike?
Thanks for the review. I am trying to decide between trek ds 3 gen 5 and Marin dsx1. But I am unable to find a direct comparison. Would you be so kind to give your opinion regarding main differences between those 2 bikes? Which would be more suited for what purpose.
Superb news…pretty much perfect bikes but need to check impact of 650 vs 700 Tyres…the ds3 is incredibly light too…thanks again
You’re welcome!
Hi Talalipop, Could you compare this DS 3 with the FX 3 in real life test, not a specs comparaison, as these 2 bikes are now very close...it will help me to decide if I should buy the DS 3 or the FX 3?...Thanks, Olivier, Belgium
Sure I can look into that!
@@TalalipopMTB Great!
@Olivier Mannie, what did you decide? I'm trying to make the same call... And also in Belgium!
@@LostInLeiden Hi, I did not buy yet, have to move apartment first, then buy it in my new town from local TREK dealer...and save the money for it too! But seeing some bad belgian blocks streets in Tournai I will probably take the Dual Sport 3 as FX is more for good smooth roads...that is my choice for now...I do not know yet in which town I will move too...talk to you later...
@@TalalipopMTB Hi Talalipop, I know you lost your job at TREK, sad...so comparing FX3 to DS3 5gen(no front suspension) is not happening anymore? Do you at least have an "in theory" kind of answer to my question? Please let me know.
Hello. Is the DS G5 good for the city, for every day use? (I have a old Dahon Boardwalk). Thanks.
Ayo, thanks for the vid. I have dual sport 2 years now and my main issue with this bike is front suspension so i thought about putting bigger fork like rockshox judy on it, do you think its worth that upgrade and on this new model can u put drops to make it like a gravel bike?
Haven’t thought about upgrading the fork on the DS. It would change the ride feel a little bit since the Judy has 100mm of travel or more, so at least 30mm higher which makes you sit more upright on the bike. That could potentially make the pedaling less efficient. And you may be able to put drop bars on it but that would require you to get new shift levers and new brake levers and bar tape, so it would cost a good amount
Hi. I am in the market for a crossover bike and the Trek DS is one that i am reviewing. I am super curious of Trek's fork change to the rigid type setup and adding wider tires. Were you able to ride both of them? Thoughts? Thanks.
Why are the ergonomic grips different from the one that is advertised online when you purchase the bike?
I bought an FX rather than a DS in 2017 because the Suntour NEX fork was a lot of extra weight and, to my mind, not much more than a false moustache. The choice now between a DS 2 Gen 5 and the FX 2 is more difficult. The latest DS is chunkier and weighs about 1kg more than the FX (same is true of this rider, compared to 2017), but the wider, deeper tyres of the DS would be welcome. I have 700 x 38c tyres on my FX.
What did you end up going with?
I'm trying to decide been DS3g5 and FX3 but think I'm going to go with the FX as I'm mainly commuting to work on paved roads
@Talalipop MTB have you had a chance to ride on DS 3 Gen 5? If yes, how does the carbon fork combined with wider tires make up for the lack of suspension? I am very tempted to buy this bike. I'd love to see your review on that specific model in detail. If you were to change some parts of it, what would that be? M4100 shifters seem dated a bit.
I am between FX 3 and Dual Sport 3 Gen 5. I will ride everyday from home to school (total 20 mins a day - 4 miles). I am 44 and just learned how to ride a bike :). Although I will mainly use the bike for going school/home, I still think a bike that can also go on gravel would be a better option. What do you think?
I bought the Dual Sport 3 in 2019 & that was a 3 x 9 set up, with tubeless ready rims & tyres & only cost me £650 new.
Comparing the Geometry on 99spokes, The new Dual Sport and the 2022/2023 FX Sports have very similar geometry and intended gravel use. Nothing wrong with that per say, but I do wonder if trek will address the lack of a road oriented flat bar bike? I test rode a 2023 FX 6 last year and hated how lazy the geometry was, so I picked up a Marin DSX 2 (best flat bar gravel bike on the market in my opinion).
I am going to look at the DS2 gen 5 and the DS 3gen 4 this weekend. I am leaning towards the DS3 gen 4 because it's on sale for $50 more thanks the DS2 gen 5 and has the same setup as the DS3 gen 5. What do you think about these choices?
I bought a DS3 gen 4 nd I love it. I thought the whole point of the lockout fork was the versatility. Thus the name DUAL Sport. Other than that it's just a FX.
Can I put something wider than a 2.0 inch wide tyre on this model? I'm looking to pick up 2 of these. Thank you.
I was wondering the same, but it looks like 2 inch is the widest.
I want the DS3 Gen 5. I Heard that die to supply chain issues, Trek is putting Tektro brakes and different stems and seats on the bike as opposed to what is listed in the specs. If they do replace the Shimano brakes with Tektro, will they still be hydraulic?
Yes the brakes will still be hydraulic in that case
@Talalipop MTB Hi, great video. Just wanted your thoughts on something. I have the DS4 gen 4 with an upgraded SLX drivetrain. Wanted to put a rigid carbon fork on it, the bike shop is saying it’s a waste of money just buy a new DS3.
My thoughts are even the new DS9 is a downgrade in components compared to my bike.
Also would you say the new DS’s are basically rigid fork mountain bikes now with their change to 27.5 wheels?
I think a better upgrade would be to an FX with higher specs than my bike, I don’t want to go down in specs.
Your thoughts? Thank you
Might be a dumb question, but would a 2020 Dual Sport one be classified as a Gen 3? I can’t seem to find any history on the line up
Was literally about to pull the trigger on a 2023 FX 3 and now no see this. Basically the same bike component wise aside from the totally different geometry + tires. Thoughts on the two?
I think the FX would be more of your fitness and lightweight bike and it has the duo trap s compatibility so you can add the trek speed and cadence sensor. The FX is still more for the road while the dual sport can definitely handle the road and some light trails and gravel, but it will be slower by a bit on the road
@californiacyclist what did you go for in the end?
With 10x1 ratios, can you go fast on the flat? And uphill?
It’ll be less fast and less easy to go uphill overall than a drivetrain with more speeds, but the rear cassette gears do have a wide enough range where it will be manageable for most city riding. If you live in a particularly hilly area then Getting something with more speeds is probably better
DS was originally the Gary Fisher hybrid. It was sort of controversial at the time.
Between the Trek FX Sport 5 w/ 35C's and the new Trek Dual Sport 3 Gen 5 w/1.5", which do you think would make a better fitness bike?
Trek FX for it's weight.
@@MsApog Thank you!
Serious question. Why would anybody want rigid front forks? I've been riding Trek Mtn bikes for 15 yrs with front suspension and never thought about it. Is there some benefit to rigid front forks ? Seems like all the bumps go directly to your hands & arms , no?
I agree but they want it to be more of a road bike it seems. You can lockout the fork. Seems to me like giving less for more money is what is happening here.
Faster and more light weight
I bought the Dual Sport 3 Gen 5 as a fitness bike. I'm not hammering trails with rocks and tree roots, so I don't need a heavy set of cheap front shocks ruining my fun.
You know how loud teen girls used to scream at Justin Bieber concerts? That’s how loud I screamed. I mean, Specialized has been doing it for a little while already, so Trek gotta catch up, but I’m happy to finally see the DS get the upgrade away from those horrid forks.
HAHAHA
what’s wrong with the forks may i ask?
Why not just get a road bike instead. Fork is nice have hence hybrid.
I was thinking to buy 2023 trek dual sport gen 5 bike today and was not sure should I get a medium or large. Visited the store and did the test drive. The medium runs OK, but I did not feel the hydrolic breaks are better than traditional mechanical breaks (I have an old one with mechanical breaks). Overall my subjective grade for the bike is: 7 out of 10 . Then I drove the L size , which looks much better fit for me. However, I paid attention that there is wierd sounds while switching gears. The transition goes with jumps. Told the store manager about it, and they trid to fix it. They did not explained me what is the problem and how common it is for the bikes. I also paid attention that the pedals are very poor quality, the hand bar is somewhat primitive....so I thought that it does not worth $1000 more to buy a bike , when the first thing you would like to do is to buy a new set of pedals. My gut feeling was ...to enjoy my current bike and be contented what I already have.
I’m actually curious, but what difference does it make between having flat mounts vs post mounts? Honestly, I’m likely considering the Gen 4 Dual Sport 2 but I’ll probably change the tires as an upgrade.
Honestly it’s not really different performance wise, just changes the look of the bike a tiny bit or might make it easier for designers to form the fork of the bike a certain way. Either way though it’s not too important, but I wanted to mention it since it is a difference
@@TalalipopMTB much appreciated man
No problem :)
What is up w/ DS3 for 2024?
I like the rigid forks.
As do I. A cheap front shock would add weight with very little travel, and thus do almost nothing to absorb bumps. My 2024 DS3 is light, and standing up in the pedals I can hop over almost anything. I can bunny hop easily over curbs, which you can't do with a shock lumbering ahead of you.
So is gen 5 ds3 better for trails than gen4
Not sure about the aesthetics of the new forks…Also that new style cable routing looks more challenging in terms of servicing…Any idea when you’ll be getting to try them out?…They’ve had them on the road in Vietnam for months at this stage.
Yeah Trek took their time releasing this one in the US. Haven't seen one yet but I'll make a video on them when I do!
Do you know if they are adding a dual sport 4?
Not for Gen 5, but they’re keeping the Gen 4 version for now
I just saw on my shop's page a Dual Sport 4 Gen 4. Is that real? It has a 1 x 11 and front suspension (which is the same 63mm but they say it's "better"). Will you be getting this in and reviewing?
Yeah that bike has been out since 2021. I made a full review on it in person as well as comparison videos on it. Trek has not changed anything on that bike for 2023
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Wow. I don't see how I missed that. I check the lineup about three times a month. There was a DS4 on the list, but it never got upgraded to a 2022, never had Gen 4 tacked on to the name, and was never in stock. Now the web site says its a 2023 and is $200+ more. Is Gen 4 a current marketing gimmick?
Yeah Trek has been rebranding some of their older models to 2023 models, but nothing has changed. I've seen some other bike companies do it as well but yeah it's more of a trick unfortunately
Not sure why anyone would recommend the ds 2 over the ds 1. The alloy ds 2 fork is lighter...but I have owned two trek hybrids with alloy forks (trek 7.3 fx 2014 and trek zektor 2017) and they are just way too uncomfortable compared to the cheaper steel fork and the more expensive carbon fork (2015 trek 7.4 fx). DS 3 for serious cyclist or DS 1 for casual cyclist is how I look at it.
Did they discontinue the DS4?
I think they’re still selling it but not updating the bike for gen 5
I have one,had the 22 ds 3 that front fork sucked.The new ds 3 Gen 5 is way better and it's faster on the street too cause of different tires.
Awesome!! I was wondering how they’d feel without the fork, but in the video I mentioned how those forks didn’t do much anyways
Yea and 80% of riders never hit the hardcore trails anyway.
Might as well save the weight
I still can't figure out if a new Dual Sport 3 Gen 6 will be released in 2025.
I don't think so. I've gotten the impression that Trek is consolidating product lines to address buyer confusion.
Been planning on getting a fx 3 until I saw this. DS 3 5th gen...about time they got rid of the heavy suspension forks. Only reason I've had two FX models and never a DS is because suspension forks are simply useless for a commuter bike given how heavy they are and the annoying maintenance you should do with suspension forks
Do you ride on trails too? Im curious wirh this ds3gen5 if It can handle some trails too.
Yeah I ride on some light gravel but mostly paved trails. But I use my all city space horse for those. I plan on getting the ds 3 gen 5 in olive green this year...I bet it will be nice flat bar version of my space horse and be my new everyday commuter. Are you getting a ds gen 5?
I'm deciding between Fx3 and DS3gen5 but I'll mostly be commuting on paved roads so I think those chunky DS tires will be too sluggish compared to the FX. What do you think?
Can someone help me in picking out a quality bike? Im coming from a trash schwinn taff. Total trash bike,...Anyways Im thinking of getting something lighter & faster. I felt like the taff was heavy and i could barely get any speed...Ive decided I want to get a quality bike as I normally bike around 3 days a week almost yr round. Im sick of having to fix things. The taff has been in for repairs 3 times since Ive owned it and it still cost me around 280 and shockingly im seeing it selling for 330 on amazon lol So Im wanting something quality in the 400 to 500 range if possible if not then 600?
Please one test drive ! 🙏😉
If I see one in the store I will!
@@TalalipopMTB Thanx 😉
Np :)
Gen3 used is the way to go.
Get it for 500
It went together easily in less than an hour. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
The tires are actually 650b which is about 27.5” in diameter. And the frame size can vary from small to extra large
isnt this new gen just a borderline entry gravel/commuter/bikepacker?
Yeah it does seem that way, a little more versatile in that sense
Should have had 700 x 50 Wheels in the larger sizes.
That would've been interesting; they wanted to keep the size smaller to make it more maneuverable for everyone, as opposed to faster like the FX
@@TalalipopMTB I am 6'2" I don't need dinky 650s. I feel like many tall people feel the same way.
It's all about the sidewall, though. The smaller diameter of the 650b wheel fits tyres with a deeper sidewall to restore some of the comfort lost to the rigid fork.
I guess Trek did not want people to know that an all aluminum DS 2 Gen 2 weighs about 27 pounds fork and all.
More of a real hybrid because this thing is turning into a road bike.
They removed the front fork? This is just a Trek FX with wider tires. What a down grade. I hope they don't stop making the Gen 4s.
They’ll still make the Gen 4s for this year at least, not sure about the future though
small wheels only? May as well just get a regular mountain bike
No front sus, interesting 🤔
Yess, definitely a big change
No duotrap?! No upgrade for me.
Is your channel no longer active?
It’s still active! Just got pretty busy over the last couple of months but trying to get back into it now :)
Makes the current FX 1 , 2 and 3 less desirable unless changes are made to them also for 2023
Why would you pick the DS over the FX? I feel like the fork change in gen5 has made them too similar, no need for the DS anymore?
@@LostInLeiden
I think the FX uses 700c wheels and prob different geometry, DS has 27.5 wheels , can get wider tires. DS seems more beefier , can take on light trails.
@@doziershaw9765 thanks, good point!
Gen 5 seems worse
What do you think is worse about the gen 5? It seems way better to me because there is no front suspension...I prefer steel and carbon fiber for my Fuchs. Aluminum forks are just too uncomfortable. Suspension is useless extra weight for my purposes. I buy mountain bikes with suspension but not for gravel bike (yes you can buy gravel bikes with suspension lol)
Better as a hybrid. Worse as a mtb
WTF ?? Price in Poland 1310$
The new dual sport 3 removes the shocks. Comparing a 2 grand bike to a 9 hundred dollar bike is hilarious 😂😂😂
Those things are quite porky for a rigid!
Hahaha yeah!
It's slower, it's heavier, it has no suspension, and there is no duotrap s, and it costs more. Does it at least have a dropper internal routing?
No dropper routing since it's more of a hybrid style bike as opposed to mountain or gravel. It does get lighter in the DS 2 and 3 though.
It’s way lighter in the 2 & 3 models, neater cable routing upfront, upgraded components and better frame geometry for trails. For me it’s a definite upgrade on the gen 4. The wider 650b tyres more than make up for the lack of any front suspension, which were poor quality on the gen 4s in any event. Nobody really cares about the Duotrap. And nobody needs or wants a dropper post on a hybrid bike.
Its more of a true hybrid
In my opinion it's a downgrade. Losing the front shock makes the bike useless to me since i would spend half of my time on dirt trails.
Trek DS series has never been a bike for dirt trails. It's fitness bike and it doesn't need a suspension for it.
Meh it still has a carbon fork and big tires.
Unless ur shredding hardcore, should be fine
R.I.P DualSport..
hahaha
USA version Trek is made in China
What bike isn't made in China? All manufacturers have frames coming out of Taiwan, which really means: "Made in China and repackaged in Taiwan."
If you have $8,000 to buy a hand-made small production frame from the U.S., then good for you. I don't.
I hear ya I wouldn't pay that amount anyway
Mine came with tektro !
I was thinking of getting it, but they're using the Covid supply excuse to use cheaper parts, without offering a discount. Promax in this case.