Shimano Deore vs CUES || Which is Best for You?
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- Shimano has had a reputation for making some of the best entry to mid level groupsets for years, so it was no surprise that the their latest drivetrain, CUES, was met with favorable reviews. But we wanted to know how it compares to the already impressive line of Deore MTB drivetrains, and thankfully @jensonusabicycles was able to help us find out! In this video we compare the 10 speed CUES U6000 groupset up against the 11 speed Deore M5100, and despite costing nearly the same amount, there are so pretty noticeable differences between the two!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:38 CUES Overview
02:06 Deore Overview
03:18 Testing Deore
06:52 Testing CUES
14:28 How Do They Compare?
16:17 Which is Best for You?
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their 2x9 groupset seems appealing with its 42-26 crankset, would make a great touring setup with 42t max in the rear
i have my deore m6000 and its been 5yrs still working perfectly great. got a lot of mileage in it
Got a 2x11 cues. I can say for a beginner. Works like a champ. For being lower end
Wow man great content. Thanks for the review man.
Thank you, glad it was helpful!!
I think this is an excellent replacement for the outgoing alivio stuff for budget/entry level bikes. Im sure the actual cost is much less, and we will see this on many of the entry level models, like the Trek Marlin 5 and lower. I dont think many will chose it over deore as an after purchase option.
I think it could be a good option for folks looking to upgrade a 2x bike, especially, like I said in the video, newer riders who don’t have great shifting technique yet. Could be killer for a kids bike!
Shimano saw how fast microshift and new Chinese brands are getting love letters from users and even OEMs, they had to do something meaningful. They surely did come strong 💪
The one derailleur for all the speed options is a great concept, both in terms of simplicity for stock for Shimano and upgradability for the customer. The whole Altus/Acera/Alvio thing was just confusing and a bit of a mess in terms of overlap
Cues es mejor que deore
I put Deore 10sp on my daughters Marlin 5.
to add to the conversation around this. im fairly certain that shimano is discontinuing both 10 and 11 speed deore and the 6100 12s will be all that remains to remove overlap with cues. (witch is the whole point of cues) so that probably affects decisions there.
For sure, which is why we wanted to make this video. Essentially is CUES a worthy replacement for the well-liked Deore. What do you think based on this video?
replaced the the 11 speed nx on my hardtail with 10 speed cues 6000 and would recommend it. Ability to shift under load is a selling point for me. Slower up shifting is noticeable but it isn't anything dramatic at all. Spent 80 bucks for shifter ,derailleur, chain and cassette combined.
Nice, glad you're happy with it!
Why did you downgrade from NX?
Deore came on my Specialized Turbo Vado SL and has been working great for the last 2 years 😊 I would definitely get it again but would also tryout the cues some time
Can’t wait for CUES for dropbars.
Microsoft Sword brifters are your answer for that right now
Currently I'm running a 12-speed Deore drivetrain and actually sometimes I wish it would shift a little bit slower. When shifting down sometimes the shift is so abrupt, that loose my footing on the pedal. So, if they ever bring 12-Speed link glide cassettes I might try one out just because of that.
Nice! Yeah, Shimano calls that "chain shock" and the intentionally sought to decrease it on CUES
Great review of both of these groupsets. Shimano is killing it in the budget range. Also, nice RSD Wildcat! What’re those gorgeous chrome bars??
They look like title bars to me
Glad you liked it! And yep, Title AH1
I really like Deore XTR shifter so I'm more into speed gear shifting.
i recently switched from an SLX 11-speed rear mech with an XT shifter to 11-speed Cues U8000 rear mech with the Linkglide XT shifter and honestly, I don't really like the shifting. The shifter, although being the same exact shifter I had before, just linkglide, doesn't feel as snappy as the old XT shifter. Shifting is considerably slower on the upshift and just not as crisp as with the slx rear mech with the old XT shifter. I just purcjased a new bike frame and it arrives on Monday so when i transfer all my parts to the new frame I'm going to see if I need to readjust the Cues U8000 mech, but I don't think so, I think it just isn't as refined as the SLX mech i had before. Also I'll mention when i received the U8000 mech i was surprised at how cheap feeling and looking it was. In the advertising photos it looks almost stealth fighter like but in hand it looks cheap and feels cheap.
Yeah! I've tested bike with cues 11 speed full groupset and it wasnt good at all. Slow and apathetic. So I've ordered another xt 11sp groupset +3 xtr/dura ace chains. While they are still avaliable. And kinda affordable.
Also i'm not convinced it will last longer as it basically has the same amount of metal at the teeth of the cassette. There's more metal around. It might help with overall stiffness of the cassette, but not the amount of miles you can get out of it. Maybe im wrong with this. But to me it looks like another marketing gimmick.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Like you heard in the video I noticed the same slow, less crisp shifting as well. My understanding is that this is intentional based on the new shift ramps on the cassette which trade speed for smoothness. I think the people who are going to be helped most by this is beginner or recreational riders who don’t have shifting finesse down yet. Did you notice any improved shifting under pedal load? That was the standout benefit that I noticed!
I actually think slow and apathetic was the intention here haha, and that’s what improves durability. The new shift gates on the cassette guide the chain more smoothly between cogs, which takes more time but applies less force. I think Shimano’s own description of hyperglide+ being designed for high performance/racing and link glide designed for recreation/commuting seems pretty spot on
I have SLX 11x groupset and SLX 12x grouposet (no cues yet) and I can say that older 11x SLX was made significantly better from sxl 12x - So I presume latest U8000 XT will be even cheaper made. I noticed that Shimano is lowering the quality of their groups from generation to generation. Inflation hits everywhere I guess.
Is the shifting on cues slower and less crisp due to the gears being thicker what are they nearly 2mm?
Shimano comes out on top again with both LINKGLIDE and CUES successful.
Everyone is eagerly awaiting drop bar shifters for CUES with gravel bike builds going to become cheaper and easier because of the CUES pull ratio and modularity.
The new Shimano sealed bearing hubs have been overlooked in the reviews and are a big innovation for Shimano who used ball bearing hubs exclusively until recently. Also the new crankset is an excellent and robust design that will serve riders well.
I think Shimano has gone done the right path with the new 105 also a fantastic group set with electronic and mechanical drivetrains available.
The expensive so called high end group set's from other manufacturers still don't surpass Shimano on price quality or innovation.
😎🇦🇺👍
I buy a new e-bike with Cues, 11v. My last e-bike had Deore. My tests with the new e-bike with Cues show a slow change of gears compared to Deore. Some times with Cues is more imprecise changing to low gears compared with Deore.
Thanks for sharing!
My m8130 does a really great job in comparison with the m4100 10 speed Deore i've had earlier.
From the very beginning of CUES topic being out by Shimano itself, i already have a high hopes for these brand new groupset. Simplicity, cheap yet robust are my main concern and i think CUES have it all and i also hope that it will remain true, because i gladly upgrade my cheap yet reliable Alivio M4000 groupset to the CUES 9 or 10 speed groupset, as long as it's 2x or 3x groupset's also cheap yet reliable and remain robust.
PS : sorry for my bad english, because it's not my daily language. 🙏🙏🙏
Please do a review on the incoming Shimano Essa wide range 8-speed groupset 🙏🏾
For years i already use 1x8s setup with 10/11/12s shimano rear derailleur cross-combine with 8s sram 1:1 cable pull ratio shifter.
* FYI, any shimano 10/11/12S rear derailleur will work with any 1:1 cable ratio 7/8/9/10/11/12s
shifter .
Shimano 10+ derailleurs absolutly interchangable. You can get m8100 derailleur, shimano m780 10 speed shifter and lg400-10 cassete. And it will work perfectly together. Because cues based on 10-speed cassete size. For cues 9 and 11 cassetes you need cues shifter. In my setup now m6100 12 speed derailleur, u8000 shifter and lg400-11 cassete. And it work wonderfull over 3000 km +)
My impression of the last complete Shimano package I've tried (XT) was of fragility under load, lots of crunching if you don't finesse the shift timings, I ran gx axs for awhile and enjoyed having less mechanical sympathy but there's something to be said for being rewarded with buttery smooth operation and it's almost all you, indexing helps alot but still 😂
I'm actually noticing more crunching going on with the U8000 mech i got especially on the upshift. I was using a SLX mech and XT shifter before and shifting was buttery smmooth along with being extremely snappy feeling. I loved the feel of it. This U8000 mech with the Linkglide XT shifter just feels clunky.
Interesting! It definitely felt smoother to me, but also noticeable slower
Deore M5100 does NOT have HG+. That's just for the 12-speed groups, like M6100 and up. M5100 is just plain HG.
Good catch, thank you!
Got my deore m6000 since 2017, I've transfered it on 3 frames even it's been beaten got so many scars on, it's still alive and kicking. 😅
That’s awesome!!
I really like SLX 12speed actually but I am converting my sons 2x10 to a 1x11 with cues
I think that'll be perfect for him! Plenty enough gear range and less broken chains/derailleurs you have to deal with as he learns to shift haha
Im Using deore m5100 rd/shifter/cassette but my chain is cues 11s, all good🤙🏽
Ive made the switch bc I got sick of constantly having to get the right MS driver for wheels and even then the hard shifts always annoy me too as it always feels like something is wrong. Ive ridden for decade so its not my technique, bike I cam from was a 2014 jamis dakar and that bike shimano shifter shifted like butter. That said people complain about the HG drive but a steel freehub solves that and many brands of wheels offer them(i'm running spank wheels so its an option once the aluminum one gets chewed up). That bring up the durability side too for ebikes, these will be far better for higher power use so they last longer with the better shifts under a little load that is harder to avoid on ebikes and the steel drivers are a great pair for said durability. last I have two bikes and run the 11 speed derailleur and shifter on both but on the hardtail thats used as every day bike and need tighter shifting I run the 11speed cassette with 30t chainring but on the enduro bike where the gears are just used to get up to the top I run the 9 speed cassette(46t max) with 28t chainring so final drive is about the same but spread grows quicker on low gears which again is fine for just winching up. Other plus the 9s cassette weighs about 200g less than the 11s so it keeps the unsprung mass down for better suspension response. Only thing Id have to do to run the 11s on the enduro bike is adjust out the limit screw and the b screw which takes less time than actually swapping the wheels and I can have spare parts on hand and its the same for both bikes. This is the way drivetrains should have been designed, not proprietary chains, cassettes, drivers, etc
Is MS referring to Microshift because i use the advent 9 and it beats out any Shimano derailleur I've used, that's on a bbshd ebike, the cues does look abit more bulkier and stronger than alot of their previous stuff.
@@mikethomas6051 If you have micoshift you have HG so cues would work with your hub, thats my point every system other than shimano MS and sram XD is cross compatible so it should all be like the CUES and match the same standard that has been around for decades. MS is short for microspline which is shimanos proprietary freehub design that only works with their 12 speeds. It has more engagement teeth so it has less of the biting issue of HG(but solved with steel instead aluminum) and allows the 12 speeds to go as small as 10 teeth where HG is limited to 11teeth
BTW, CUES isn't replacing deore, it's actually even a level below deore, since it's all the cheap groupsets combined to one with different quality variants.
BTW, that’s incorrect haha. 10 and 11 speed deore will be replace by CUES, but 12 speed deore will stay in the lineup. singletrackworld.com/2023/02/goodbye-deore-hello-shimano-cues/
@@99spokeslook at the M5130 and M8130. This is deore and xt linkglide setups.
Linkglide its his own thing;) and its good❤
@@99spokes BTW You are incorrect, ha ha ha. CUES is below Deore and Deore XT. And treat your viewers with a little bit more respect, please. Will you earn less thumbs down. Bye.
great review/comparison but i just was curious what you meant by the double upshift of the xt shifter because i have the had the very very old 9 speed deore and that had double upshift on its shifter if you push the lever farther and then i bought a bike with the 10x1 deore groupset and the shifter had a triple upshift lever, same as the 11 speed deore. so the 11 speed deore shifter will shift 3 gears if you push the upshift lever all the way
Glad you liked it! What you’re talking about is down shifting into an “easier” gear. With XT and XTR you can shift up (harder gear) twice with one lever throw. Once you get used to it it’s hard to go back haha!
@@99spokes ahh i see, it was a mistake on my part since upshift and downshift in persian mean the opposite of what they mean in english, so in persian an upshift moves the chain up the cassette to bigger cogs and a downshift moves the chain down to smaller cogs.
That’s fair, it’s definitely confusing! It helps me to think about the gears on a car, you start in first gear and work up as you accelerate
I am more curious about their cartridge bearing hubs. Any experience with them?
Sadly not!
Just got my mtb with a complete shimano cues groupset hopefully its durable
Fingers crossed 🤞
Isn’t linkglide kinda aimed at emtb? Some of them (Rocky Mountian’s dyname) put more stress on the chain when shifting. I suspect the durability would be more Important there as well. I likely will just go m6100 11 speed on the um bikes that don’t have it as I have a couple copies of that already.
Actually lots of new value priced analog/non pedal assist mountain bikes are coming speced with CUES. Basically anything that would have come with a 9, 10, or 11 speed deore in the past would in theory now come with CUES, e-bike or not
Hey is sora drop shifter compatible with cues 9 speed check that pls.
I don't believe so
@@99spokes With any 9 speed microshift shifter as I think they have 1.1:1 and cues is 1:1
With cues there seems to be less point to having anything else than 11-speed. It is just one more cog on the cassette.
However looking at cassette-prices, there still seems to be big price jump from 9 to 10 and 11.
Currently Cues cassettes is still more expensive than similar low-end 9/10/11 speed cassettes
So all Cues have the same cable pull? Which means that i can use a U6000 or a U8000 on a U4000 shifter?
Correct!
The hyperglycemic meant for regular mountain bikes and rode bikes and XC bikes
While the link glide system was meant for the same bike but for E-bike that is technically the true difference you can use it on either one but the link glide was mostly used for the e-bikes because it was required because of the torque and the motor which required a thicker more robust system you forgot to mention all of that
The drivetrain is actually already being speced and sold on lots of non-powered bikes, and that’s what we were focusing on in this video. But you’re right, the new cassette design is definitely going to prolong drivetrain life on e-bikes too 👌
"Hyperglide* is* meant for regular mountain bikes". Never trust your autocorrect/-complete and always check before posting!
Hi guys, can you reccomend a trail/enduro hardtail with around 140mm front suspension for 120 kg rider? 😅
Nukeproof Scout. If you find one. This thing is amazing. And, as the name suggests, almost indestructible. They ran out of business recently, but you can still find one at some retail stores or ebay. Sometimes at half the price.
What’s your budget and what type of terrain do you plan to ride? There’s tons of great options, including the aforementioned Scout. Check out our top 5 hardtails under $2k here: ruclips.net/video/uCLhxUBM7Ng/видео.htmlsi=tbeZz0RNbgocvPbG
@@PanaehaliTut but if something goes wrong then I have a problem because they dont exist any more...
@@hammerhead28 most parts are general parts that can be exchanged with other items from the market
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Would the Cues 9-speed cassette with microshift advent 9 rear derailleur work?
Yep, as long as the derailleur is rated to fit with the largest sprocket on the cassette, and in this case it is!
Handles 2000 watts on my cyc no problem. Shifts under ebike loads no skipping.
Déore, the best. 👌
Deore legend.
Cues youngstar
The m8130 Shifter doesn't provide shifting up twice per push. I think they did this because for additional durability. The advantage from it is the instant release and the rubber on the downshifting lever. It also can only downshift twice per push.
Good to know! Thanks for the catch!
CUES is good for ebikes especially those who do mid drive self conversions.
True! Definitely helps dissipate all that extra torque!
It works good with high torque ❤
If Veer, a small company, can make a joinable belt drive then why are the big companies not doing it
It's a dream for middrive conversion
Isnt Cues made to replace the Acera, Altus, and Alivio? Deore is still higher tier in Shimano drivetrain hierachy.
Cues replaces 2 Deore lines (m5100 and M4100)
And Alivio/Acera/Altus which were 8/9 speed.
Honestly for non E-Bike I like the Deore more (I don’t like the Cues crank set compared to Deore)
for E-Bike the linkglide technology is just too good to pass.
Deore 12 speed will remian, but CUES will replace their 10 and 11 speed drivetrains
The cues U8000 eventho its just 11 speed but its higher tier than Deore M6100 12 speed
@@99spokesI don’t like that the 11 speed cues is wider spaced cassette than 11 speed deore , I care about cadence so I like cog jumps by 2 for my first 6 gears like on 11 speed deore
@@99spokes I don’t like that the 11 speed cues is wider spaced cassette than 11 speed deore , I care about cadence so I like cog jumps by 2 for my first 6 gears like on 11 speed deore
For $100 more you can get SLX group with deore cassette.
True! But that’s assuming you already have a microspline driver, which many don’t. Also, I don’t think there’s any huge performance gains until you get up to XT, SLX and Deore feel pretty similar to me
Make shifter in left side lols for ebike
The first generation Cues are probably 3 times more durable, but it is possible that Shimano will reduce its durability over time.
Deore works faster. It is a better choice if it is still available.
If speed is your priority, yes! But if less maintenance and required finesse is what you’re looking for than CUES is the better option
10 and 11 speed Deore lasts very long on a normal bike. But strong E-Bike motors do eat those parts.
I have 8 E-Bikes and 27 normal ones with those parts in my rental fleet.
The regular bike easily last a season with a single cassette and chain.
The 85Nm E-MTB’s eat the small 11 and 13t sprocket in about 400-600 km.
The full cassette and chain 1200-1400km tops. They will be replaced by an linkglide cues setup soon.
But it's not only shift speed, but precision, that is VERY low for all cues rear derailleurs.
To me you kindof fail the test. Since Deore or CUES is totally not really about how smooth their derailleurs shift at all, they are pretty similar in outcomes. What the difference mainly is sits in their dedicated shifters, or indeed using Cues in combination with other shifters, which Deore can as well btw. Testing CUES with an XT shifter this way, or Deore combination with XT shifter is well...possible but not the essence of testing how they function as systems separately. Mixing them makes your result foggy.
So I can't really take this test serious at all. Than next to this all, you are testing it with a double suspension bike, which is completely weird to me. Since you would actually want to use the XT or XTR for being able to shift through more gears with one long stretch of a finger ( I would even advise to use a totally different brand than Shimano for such, you would need a SRAM system with their shifters, and I guess most double suspension MTB bikers, know what I am talking about and why), and for a hard tail or such bikes, you would be fine with a CUES or Deore system, including their dedicated shifters.
A double suspension is for off road heavy terrains, in which you want least amount of pushes on your shifters, you want to go from high till low and vice versa, in one go...so...I don't get your test at all. I think you should redo this video.
And you've compared Shimano Deore HyperGlide system to a Cues LinkGlide system but used HyperGlide Chain on both systems ? ? ?
There was No mention of swapping to the CN-LG500 chain when you went to the Cues setup, meaning each set of components were run on chain dedicated to only the Deore HyperGlide style cassette & derailleur. The LinkGlide chain is very different from the HG chain, I'm not sure how this test is legit.
Nope, we switched the chain out as well, just didn’t talk about it in this video. The profile of the plates are essentially identical so it didn’t seem worth going into detail on
SLX linkglide should be better than cues..hehe
Linkglide are for pedal assist bikes
It's actually specced on dozens of mountain bikes already!
Shimano, SRAM, Microshift, where's the belt drive system?
Have you seen the weight or price of a pinion gearbox? Very little
Manufacturer uptake for frames or drivetrains is virtually zero, gearboxes have been out for years and still no real interest
I’d love to ride one, but we can only review what people are willing to send us 🤷♂️
HG Deore v HG Cues.
I went Microspline freehubs because of decades of seeing my HG freehubs get eaten up. So, no Cues for me.
True! I’m not sure how I feel about CUES being HG (which in and of itself is confusing because HG stands for hyperglide lol). It’s nice that this will be an easy upgrade on older/cheaper HG equipped hubs, but it also would have been cool to see Shimano bring microspline to their more budget friendly groupsets; one less standard to worry about
Just get a wheel that has an option for steel HG freehubs and problem solved for eating them up. Often the steel ones cost about the same(Spank, DT swiss, and hope all offer them and im sure there are many others)
In my country deore is cheaper than cues.
I worked on Cues and so far it was Sh*t super slow shifting even in comparison to Micro shift Acolyte, the difference was like Sora vs Ultegra. it definitely looks good but my experience so far is that it's utter cr*p :(
Hehe..shimano company just making it sensational. Deore is works solid for me..ride safe bro
it's pronounced as "dior"? i thought its "diyore"
Maybe depends where you live? In the US we call it "dee-or"
This is just consooomerism. buy new version -> lust after next version -> buy next version - repeat
I don't like it aesthetically and I am not fan of single cranks. I will stick to my XT 780 Tor XTR 980 in 30 speeds than those ones
CUES is utter garbage I had this as stock on my new 2024 Claud Butler I removed the CUES bottom bracket to install a ebike kit the bottom bracket was literally just two bearings on a axle no cover whatsoever the end threaded parts were also full plastic. I will never buy CUES again absolute trash
Sounds like that wasn't a CUES bottom bracket. What parts were plastic? There's no plastic on the CUES derailleur
Wth happened with the design?😕
Who designed those? AI?🤢
Cues is NOTHING!!!!!🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
I am bike mechanic......Deore is super!
Cues sucks!!!!🤮🤮🤮🤮
Cual elegir ?
Slx 12s o deore 12s
? Español
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