The bigger tail on the Block 15 was introduced because of the new chin mounted pod stations. What we have is the ADF upgrade of the Block 15, which added IFF antennas and AIM-7 capability.
Super hyped this was added because the Netz felt like the inferior F16 for a bit as it literally lacked anything special. Every nation had Aim7s available while this guy had Aim9s at best but even though we still don’t get BVRs these Pythons close the gap for Israel just a little bit. Great video btw!
The f16A bl10 is the best dogfighter bc it has the best aerodynamic balanced. Once it began getting upgrades such as the chin mounts, hardpoint changes, new engine, etc. it was no longer the perfectly balanced masterpiece it was first designed to be. The larger tail plane was for added stability since it was already teetering on the edge and messing with the weight distribution meant it needed that extra safety.
I’m pretty sure it’s more so that the tail was made bigger to counterbalance the extra electronics in the nose of the bl.15, so the whole thing is heavier in general at least that’s how it works in WT
@@spectre0969 Yeah for the purposes of WT it's really only the weight that matters. The tail doesn't affect the flight model very much if at all, but F-16s pull more as they get lighter and the heavier ones are always lagging 300kg behind.
Um, idk about that. At least IRL which is what I assume you're talking about here. The C models (and now late C models, or V models, the Block 70/72) are generally regarded as much better in damn near every respect compared to the A. As far as I was aware as well, the first versions of the F-16 were not regarded as the "perfect" F-16 versions by literally anyone.
i love this thing, got a 1.5 KD on it, the python 3s really made this thing worthwhile, same for the Kfir C7, adding them actually made the plane bearable instead of being at a disadvantage
I saw the Pythons a little while after they got added, decided to stock grind Israel to get them, 3 months later, I have every plane in the tree and the Pythons are still very good, even with IRCCM missiles now
If you like the Netz with Pythons, the J-8F with PL-8s is similar levels of cracked - but makes the Python pull off even more ridiculous stuff because it has HMD. Only downside is that it doesn't have F-16 flight performance.
@@jacksonwarrenbviously the f16 is a true dogfighter powerhouse but the j8f is no slouch in the thrust to weight department with its delta wing, it's not great, but far from bad, plus the hmd
@@jacksonwarren its pretty much worse outright in performance but the tradeoff is HMD which can be very useful so u cant really say 1 is better than the other because they both have 1 thing over the other
F-16 Netz is a Block 10, but the AJ and MLU are Block 20s. AJ and MLU have the performance of the Block 10, but can carry AIM-7, which means they're both MLUs. The reason why the US doesn't get the MLU is because the MLU (Mid-Life Upgrade) is similar in performance to the F-16C. However, Japan never operated the F-16C, instead electing to have Mitsubishi Heavy Industries produce the F-2, which was a licensed copy of the F-16C, modified with slightly larger wings in order to fulfill a support role. Taiwan was forbidden from purchasing the F-16C (ordained by China), so instead they got upgraded Block 10s, which became the MLU (Block 20). What does this mean for the US tech tree? This means that next in line is the F-16C, since it's the same as the MLU in performance, but with the capability of carrying the AIM-7 and the first generation AIM-120. Note: Japan never operated the F-16AJ. In fact, it doesn't actually exist. Gaijin implemented it because Japan received a single test variant of the F-16 Block 10, however it's important to note that Japan chose not to buy it. This is where the licensing for the F-2 construction came in.
its actually the first all-aspect missile in game, the most maneuverable missile still is the SRAAM since somehow gaijin never implemented an actual G limit (the statcard is lying just like most of the time)to it, so it can be pulling 50g and you wont know. Outside of that, great video!!
all aspect missiles have been in the game for a while... Also afaik the sraam has a G limit and is just active off the rail w/ thrust vectoring, so it can pull instantly.
@@THECAKEISTALKING yeye i was mostly talking about being 40g and all aspect at the same time. And the sraam actually doesnt have any G limits, its proven by some datamines and the missile datasheet that has the info straight out of war thunders code. the only main limiting factor is just the speed and tracking rate that it has.
If you turn on old videocard support the sonic booms won't appear visually and block your vision. (because I noticed you missed a gun shot because of the vapour cone)
Gaijin: (X)F-2A is too advanced, so take our own made-up F-16AJ or leave Gaijin (then): Adds Jets with temporary nerfed Radar and armament (UK Phantoms, J-8F, F-14A, F-16 Netz, F-4EJ Kai, MiG-29 (both) and many more examples) Gaijin now: Lets add Python-3 and PL-8, as well as J-8F temporary nerfed so we can make it better later on Japan: Relies on a F-16AJ that never existed and has never been purposed as it is in game right now, neither does it get AIM-7M, additional two AIM-7s or AAM-3 for compensation ...... Besides that, the F-16AJ will soon be obsolete once advanced FOX-3s arrive which Gaijin confirmed to come
They have also seemed to improve the flight model of the Block 15, where it’s rip G is 13.5 and some of its wing was move to the “inter wing” on the FM. I stopped playing the F-16 until now but I’m absolutely living even the Block 15. I wish Gaijin would rework the FM because even though it’s true that F-16’s are not G limited (surprise surprise) but AoA limited, the FBW ensures through AoA that it cannot pull more than 10 G, which the F-16 can barely get, I think it’s possible to achieve 9.6 G or something. Either way it needs a reworking.
They don't do real limiting for the flight models in RB even for FBW, for example the Mirage 2K had FBW and a limiter and still pulls much harder. Personally I don't want limiters implemented, would be stupid for earlier planes to be hitting 15Gs and the newer stuff stuck at 9.
@@GeneralLee2000 that’s a fair assessment. It certainly doesn’t break the game because the F-16 pulls ever so slightly harder than it can irl, especially since MiG-29’s are casually pulling 14G in game which is at the edge of their breaking point. It is fair to note that the Block 15 ‘s enlarged elevators did not decrease performance IRL, in fact it retained the same performance while adding stability at high AoA and increased nose authority on the takeoff roll.
well guys if you like this you are gonna love the F-16C Block 30 Barak I with the DASH 1 HMS, and i think the next update we are gonna see the next israeli fighter jet with BVR capability.
6 Fox2’s pretty much on par with 7F’s only with better G-load. Seems like a quick fire and forget to continue defensive and dogfight in a basic fighter maneuver (BFM) aircraft like the 16. It’s just all about flight performance and survival in that aircraft I feel. Pythons make it more effective for sure.
lol, they are not on par with 7f's. All you have to do to defeat them is press one button, at least you have to notch and work a little against the 7f.
@@Red_Lion2000 Lately everyone just flies really low to the ground so I find it can be hard to get sparrow kills unless someone is just braindead. Flying both the ADF and the Netz, the Netz seems way more consistent, if you can get behind the enemy team its just like 4 or 5 free kills.
@@Broomtwo yea this was my point. The 7Fs just don’t have that consistency. Not to mention IR missiles are more potent if you don’t cut throttle a lot in this new update
The BLK.10 frame definitely has the instant agility advantage over the BLK.15 and BLK.20, but if I'm being honest, with how I play the plane, I don't really notice it. I don't like to get very slow because I fear a 3rd party plenty of times. Therefore, I will either stay at very high speeds and constantly take verticals, or I will keep the F-16 between ~800-850km/h IAS to get the best rate speed out of her (You can get 25-26 degrees per second sustained on RB controls). I will use either method at discretion, but prefer the rate when I can since no one can keep with you. That Mig-29 may be able to pull around fast, but after he gets below 550-600, it's over if he doesn't already have a shot.
Personally having the high speed pull is crucial, especially when I don't see missiles coming in time and NEED to get into the notch before they get to me
Going vertical is what gets me killed in the block 15 because the high speed turning is just non-existent. Everything feels infinitely better flying the block 10 than the block 15. It feels bad in the block 15 to be going vertical an being an absolute brick, radar missiles are 100% unavoidable if you do it unless you know no one else is going to 3rd party you.
@@GeneralLee2000 I can understand that perspective and I do admit that every so often, I would have liked an extra G of pull. But given my playstyle, I tend to be more defensive when I can and play to avoid drawn out conflict. It's partly why I keep so much speed; so I can get in and get the fuck out as fast as possible. Don't doubt the significance of the extra pull instant agility for anyone more aggressive than myself.
@@Broomtwo When you say radar missiles are 100% unavoidable, what ranges are we talking about. Because if you're not maneuvering while head-on to a Mig-29 that is locking you within 6km, you probably deserve that death... The high compression is also mostly found at lower altitudes, which is an area I try to avoid since it leaves me with less options. If I either have to go low or an forced low, I will use the vertical so I can cash in some of my speed for altitude and position. I will also be keeping track of my surroundings and remembering the last known positions of enemies I know are not yet dead.
@@Registered_Simp Basically within like 5-10 km, if you can't see someone and you go vertical at high speed, then as you go vertical you get radar locked, you are pretty much dead because of the g-limit and terrible turn rate. Its just a risk. If you know where everyone on the enemy team is, then its fine for turning your speed into altitude if you have time to do the maneuver before they are in range. The compression/g-limit is worse on the ADF so its harder to notch missiles in time in general if you are going super-sonic and can't see someone and they launch a radar missile at relative short range. That's why I either hug the ground to defeat missiles if I am going fast, and I usually sit at trans-sonic speeds if I am low to mid-alittude so I can cut enough speed to notch in time.
The F4S isn't meant to dogfight, and dogfighting one on one isn't really a thing in top-tier. Just make sure you can hit your missiles and run, don't turn with anyone.
this is what happens when u dont know how top tier or jets at all work and jsut buy it thinking its an instant win button, F4S can be very good if you play it right, i.e. keep your distance and dont dogfight unless absolutely necessary and lob sparrows at people from afar
F-16 Netz is a Block 10, but the AJ and MLU are Block 20s. AJ and MLU have the performance of the Block 10, but can carry AIM-7, which means they're both MLUs. The reason why the US doesn't get the MLU is because the MLU (Mid-Life Upgrade) is similar in performance to the F-16C. However, Japan never operated the F-16C, instead electing to have Mitsubishi Heavy Industries produce the F-2, which was a licensed copy of the F-16C, modified with slightly larger wings in order to fulfill a support role. Taiwan was forbidden from purchasing the F-16C (ordained by China), so instead they got upgraded Block 10s, which became the MLU (Block 20). What does this mean for the US tech tree? This means that next in line is the F-16C, since it's the same as the MLU in performance, but with the capability of carrying the AIM-7 and the first generation AIM-120. Note: F-16AJ doesn't exist. Gaijin put it in because Japan got a single F-16 as a sample test, but the JASDF chose not to buy it.
@@bigtime9597 the MLU doesn’t have the maneuverability of the Block 10 tho, it has the maneuverability of the Block 15, the F16 ADF. From what I have experienced, the difference between the f16 are the next one : F16A : 60 flares, no radar missiles and best maneuverability F16ADF : 60 flares, radar missiles and worse maneuverability. F16AJ : same as the F16A, but with Radar missiles F16MLU : Same as the F16ADF, but with more flares and a better radar F16 Netz : same as the F16A, but with the best small range ir missiles in the game right now. Gaijin should really change the high speed maneuverability of the F16. It’s disgusting how bad it is right now compared to other aircrafts
Amazing vid btw i was just about to buy the Kfir canard to grind for this before I saw the vid, do y’all think that the canard will be in the summer sale?
@@xavsul9108 the best I can give you for now is this picture, see the protrusion on the rear? The F-16Cs have that, and not the Netz. The image I showed in the video also doesn't have that. I'm not allowed to disclose how I know the exact year but I can see if I can get more sources if this isn't enough for you. media.discordapp.net/attachments/999556558172205096/1120374168253378620/image-141.png
F-16A Netz is a F-16A Block 10. We have six F-16 ingame: USA F-16A Block 10, USA F-16A Block 15 ADF, ITA F-16A Block 15 ADF, TWN F-16A Block 20, ISR F-16A Block 10 Netz. F-16C/D Block 30 in Israeli service are called Barak.
I have the F-16A ADF and the Netz. It is a night and day difference for me, the difference between their flight models. The ADF feels like an absolute brick. And is deeply unfun to fly. The block 10 Netz actually feels like it can maneuver, and not to mention it has Python 3's now, I think I would rather have 6 Python 3's than 4 AIM-9L's and 2 sparrows. Netz is the best F-16 in the game right now in my opinion. I've got like a 4:1 or 5:1 KD flying it out.
Nuts. This makes me really want the Netz now. 🤣I have the ADF, and love it, but you definitely need to drop throttle and airbrake a lot in it if someone gets on your tail.
Looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Sadly my puter is bricked right now. Im just really excited to see the f15 come. Im honestly confused as to why we got the f14b before the f15
Its confusing in general that we haven't gotten the F-15. We have F-14s, F-16s, and MiG-29s. The F-15, Su-27 the F/A-18 are the only ones weirdly missing.
I have no idea what's wrong with the people thinking the block 5/10 irl are better dogfighters than the block 15/20 onwards. the argument "increase in weight" is stupid, the difference is only 280kg over 7690kg empty weight. That a 3,6% increase in weight. The elevator increase is 30% of the surface. Even then, the "wing loading" difference is neglegible for that reason of just 3,6% increase in weight. If you actually take a look at the Flight Performance diagrams (E-M diagrams) they are exactly the same at the same altitude for every speed/G turn etcetera. So, please, all of you trying to "justify" this bullshit, stop doing that, the F-16 ADF and MLU irl are superior to the block 5/10 because they are able to carry Aim-7. The flight performance with same payload is not inferior.
@@Julian-nr5feno I swear the matchmaker is so much more generous now I think the boycott a lot of top tier players stopped playing so downtierd were more frequent
does anyone know any coaching folks? I watch the videos but it doesn't seem to help much. I'd like to be a better pilot/gamer but I learn best with 1 on 1 teaching.
@@suzybean13 you need to have an average of 1K views per video, and they look for consistent uploads as well. I believe the minimum subs required is 500, you can check their website to make sure :)
As long as the enemy does not expect it, its still just another IR missile with better hit probability but just a bit more, but in other terms id rather fly a radar wielding aircraft since it forces ur bandit to a defensive or kiss the hard deck.
Hell Ya the Netz and the Kfir(young Lion) C7 with Pythons so much better than the Chinese J-8F with PL-8 that is actually in real life is a tiny bit weaker than the Python 3 but Gaijin puts the thing with the same stats .. of course. Plus the PL-8 only has a 38G overload and does do mach 4 but they throw it up in the game as 40G same EXACT as the Python ... "hope that gets changed" the Python 3 does have a 40G and only can reach 15km real life and does mach 3.5 . So gaijin has to of course make things the way they make em for reasons i guess.
@@Hundreddilation ya idk The J-8F is a delta wing as well and bleeds a lot of speed but for the dog fights you have to have A LOT in your favor and if a person doesn't pull away and open the gap plus the flight performance isn't the best. But if you are playing against a person that knows a little bit about this J-8F then most likely you be heading back to the hangar. But hey this is WT and that's few and far between 🤫 So yes the Chinese plane gets HMD and it really isn't that much of a benefit, don't get me wrong it is but it's a slight one. Also this thing only get radar missiles and thats it. So thats a game changer as well. Either way, at least Gaijin is dropping in something nice into the game to grind for.👍✌
@@Hundreddilation IF a person tries to energy fight you and you are in the J-8F you most likely end up with a bad outcome. The thing bleeds speed pretty quick and you want to get slow and make sure they commit to the fight. This does have amazing controllability especially if you use a keyboard and being able to get a reversal in can be done. It's pretty much like the J-8B and the nose can flop around and you can get some pretty nasty snapshots and you can get the nose to go where you want it. So if you made it down the Chinese line then you know how it is. But you need to sneak around the side of the map to get kills in and stick to the ground so ya can't get SARH missiles launched at you.
The reason the earlier models performed better is because John Boyd designed the prototype as the ultimate dog fighter and every time they update it and add more stuff it constraints the performance, so the earlier the model the closer the idea he envisioned
I just feel bad when nato jets get missiles like the 9L and Python 3s, when the russian jets are stuck with r60ms with absolutely no flare resistance.. r73 where gaijin ?!
R60m barely has any range like below 2.5km for a guaranteed kill and then people will almost definitely see it and flare. I’ve even had it miss when it’s a perfect shot. I swear if the su-27 or the mig-29s come out with only r-60m
@@GeneralLee2000 as much as i would like to agree to that lee, you gotta note.. a radar missile is far easier to notice coming than a IR missile, also you only get 2 of them.. while the python is 6.. it's the quality vs quantity debate which in this case is mostly won by the nato countries.. And further, the we can't say that the r60 is alright, when the aim9L pulls the same Gs, goes further and is more flare resistant.. python just takes it further
MiG-29 gets the best flight performance and the best radar missile, and the r73 is far more capable than Python 3's and AIM-9L's, if the MiG-29 had it it would have the best radar missiles, the best IR missiles, and the best flight performance.
What if this F16 got HMD 40G missile’s on this jet I will give you a like lee if you keep making good video’s so far good job but I will give you a like because you make some of the greatest war thunder video’s I have ever watched please never leave RUclips if you quit RUclips and wt I will not doing good but please keep making great video’s be better then joob:) Edit please make some more video’s about the F14 I just love that jet
Imo the block 20 is the best f16 due to raw performance and a better radar. Yes the block 10 turns better at higher speeds but its not much of a difference and i just like the block 20 more idk
The sparrows and the extra countermeasures are nice on the block 20, you get twice as many flare drops. Personally the extra pull is more worth on the block 10s though IMO
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I’m still laughing at the fact that Gaijin doesn’t know how to spell the word “Python” lmao. Great video :)
I know, right? 🤣 they had such a hard time
Frezeed i find you evry where. And were did they spell python wrong?
@@lolprobobin the dev server it was Phython 3
Hey freezwd
The bigger tail on the Block 15 was introduced because of the new chin mounted pod stations. What we have is the ADF upgrade of the Block 15, which added IFF antennas and AIM-7 capability.
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Super hyped this was added because the Netz felt like the inferior F16 for a bit as it literally lacked anything special. Every nation had Aim7s available while this guy had Aim9s at best but even though we still don’t get BVRs these Pythons close the gap for Israel just a little bit. Great video btw!
Glad you enjoyed! Yes, I really really enjoy the Netz
The f16A bl10 is the best dogfighter bc it has the best aerodynamic balanced. Once it began getting upgrades such as the chin mounts, hardpoint changes, new engine, etc. it was no longer the perfectly balanced masterpiece it was first designed to be. The larger tail plane was for added stability since it was already teetering on the edge and messing with the weight distribution meant it needed that extra safety.
I’m pretty sure it’s more so that the tail was made bigger to counterbalance the extra electronics in the nose of the bl.15, so the whole thing is heavier in general at least that’s how it works in WT
@@spectre0969 Yeah for the purposes of WT it's really only the weight that matters. The tail doesn't affect the flight model very much if at all, but F-16s pull more as they get lighter and the heavier ones are always lagging 300kg behind.
No but ok
Um, idk about that. At least IRL which is what I assume you're talking about here.
The C models (and now late C models, or V models, the Block 70/72) are generally regarded as much better in damn near every respect compared to the A.
As far as I was aware as well, the first versions of the F-16 were not regarded as the "perfect" F-16 versions by literally anyone.
@@evangalinsky2499 They're talking about which version is the best just in terms of pure dogfighting performance. Not overall.
The Block 15 tail was for better stability since it's heavier than the Block 10
i love this thing, got a 1.5 KD on it, the python 3s really made this thing worthwhile, same for the Kfir C7, adding them actually made the plane bearable instead of being at a disadvantage
I saw the Pythons a little while after they got added, decided to stock grind Israel to get them, 3 months later, I have every plane in the tree and the Pythons are still very good, even with IRCCM missiles now
If you like the Netz with Pythons, the J-8F with PL-8s is similar levels of cracked - but makes the Python pull off even more ridiculous stuff because it has HMD. Only downside is that it doesn't have F-16 flight performance.
How far off is the performance? Is it just it’s low speed maneuverability or is it acceleration and top speed? I’m grinding for the J-8F now.
@@jacksonwarrenbviously the f16 is a true dogfighter powerhouse but the j8f is no slouch in the thrust to weight department with its delta wing, it's not great, but far from bad, plus the hmd
@@jacksonwarren its pretty much worse outright in performance but the tradeoff is HMD which can be very useful so u cant really say 1 is better than the other because they both have 1 thing over the other
F-16 Netz is a Block 10, but the AJ and MLU are Block 20s. AJ and MLU have the performance of the Block 10, but can carry AIM-7, which means they're both MLUs. The reason why the US doesn't get the MLU is because the MLU (Mid-Life Upgrade) is similar in performance to the F-16C. However, Japan never operated the F-16C, instead electing to have Mitsubishi Heavy Industries produce the F-2, which was a licensed copy of the F-16C, modified with slightly larger wings in order to fulfill a support role. Taiwan was forbidden from purchasing the F-16C (ordained by China), so instead they got upgraded Block 10s, which became the MLU (Block 20).
What does this mean for the US tech tree? This means that next in line is the F-16C, since it's the same as the MLU in performance, but with the capability of carrying the AIM-7 and the first generation AIM-120.
Note: Japan never operated the F-16AJ. In fact, it doesn't actually exist. Gaijin implemented it because Japan received a single test variant of the F-16 Block 10, however it's important to note that Japan chose not to buy it. This is where the licensing for the F-2 construction came in.
now you see this is why i love the f16 aj and netz, prob the two most fun f16's ingame lol, and the aj is a pamphlet plane
also aj and netz have best camos n doubt, non gaijin coin free that is
Everyone: This is a strong plane with good performance therefore I must fly it. Me: It looks good... Im sold
Happy Birthday in advance Lee, great guides and videos in general
Thanks bro! Bday is in July so got some spare time to get this last 200 or so! Appreciate you being here :)
its actually the first all-aspect missile in game, the most maneuverable missile still is the SRAAM since somehow gaijin never implemented an actual G limit (the statcard is lying just like most of the time)to it, so it can be pulling 50g and you wont know. Outside of that, great video!!
all aspect missiles have been in the game for a while...
Also afaik the sraam has a G limit and is just active off the rail w/ thrust vectoring, so it can pull instantly.
@@THECAKEISTALKING yeye i was mostly talking about being 40g and all aspect at the same time.
And the sraam actually doesnt have any G limits, its proven by some datamines and the missile datasheet that has the info straight out of war thunders code. the only main limiting factor is just the speed and tracking rate that it has.
4:40 yes
If you turn on old videocard support the sonic booms won't appear visually and block your vision. (because I noticed you missed a gun shot because of the vapour cone)
ur content is so good and only hours before seeing you in game i found ur channel and subbed
Thanks man! I play regularly ;)
after watching the quality of the video i couldn’t believe this dude didn’t have 100k subscribers. You got a new subscriber 😊
Legend! That really means a lot bro, thanks so much!
@@GeneralLee2000 np, amazing content and editing bro
Gaijin: (X)F-2A is too advanced, so take our own made-up F-16AJ or leave
Gaijin (then): Adds Jets with temporary nerfed Radar and armament (UK Phantoms, J-8F, F-14A, F-16 Netz, F-4EJ Kai, MiG-29 (both) and many more examples)
Gaijin now: Lets add Python-3 and PL-8, as well as J-8F temporary nerfed so we can make it better later on
Japan: Relies on a F-16AJ that never existed and has never been purposed as it is in game right now, neither does it get AIM-7M, additional two AIM-7s or AAM-3 for compensation
......
Besides that, the F-16AJ will soon be obsolete once advanced FOX-3s arrive which Gaijin confirmed to come
Those gear door sparrows would have been dope man
They have also seemed to improve the flight model of the Block 15, where it’s rip G is 13.5 and some of its wing was move to the “inter wing” on the FM. I stopped playing the F-16 until now but I’m absolutely living even the Block 15. I wish Gaijin would rework the FM because even though it’s true that F-16’s are not G limited (surprise surprise) but AoA limited, the FBW ensures through AoA that it cannot pull more than 10 G, which the F-16 can barely get, I think it’s possible to achieve 9.6 G or something. Either way it needs a reworking.
They don't do real limiting for the flight models in RB even for FBW, for example the Mirage 2K had FBW and a limiter and still pulls much harder. Personally I don't want limiters implemented, would be stupid for earlier planes to be hitting 15Gs and the newer stuff stuck at 9.
@@GeneralLee2000 that’s a fair assessment. It certainly doesn’t break the game because the F-16 pulls ever so slightly harder than it can irl, especially since MiG-29’s are casually pulling 14G in game which is at the edge of their breaking point. It is fair to note that the Block 15 ‘s enlarged elevators did not decrease performance IRL, in fact it retained the same performance while adding stability at high AoA and increased nose authority on the takeoff roll.
@@GeneralLee2000true, f16 is a joke ATM, especially when u can just use f-14b.
well guys if you like this you are gonna love the F-16C Block 30 Barak I with the DASH 1 HMS, and i think the next update we are gonna see the next israeli fighter jet with BVR capability.
F-15 pray
@@GeneralLee2000 me too, that thing with Python 3s and AIM-7s would be hella fun
im so damn excited for the baz
6 Fox2’s pretty much on par with 7F’s only with better G-load. Seems like a quick fire and forget to continue defensive and dogfight in a basic fighter maneuver (BFM) aircraft like the 16. It’s just all about flight performance and survival in that aircraft I feel. Pythons make it more effective for sure.
lol, they are not on par with 7f's.
All you have to do to defeat them is press one button, at least you have to notch and work a little against the 7f.
@@Red_Lion2000 Lately everyone just flies really low to the ground so I find it can be hard to get sparrow kills unless someone is just braindead. Flying both the ADF and the Netz, the Netz seems way more consistent, if you can get behind the enemy team its just like 4 or 5 free kills.
@@Broomtwo yea this was my point. The 7Fs just don’t have that consistency. Not to mention IR missiles are more potent if you don’t cut throttle a lot in this new update
Hey Lee, love the content, happy bithday btw, forgot to tell your the week before, and the week before that.
Glad you like my content :) but it's not my bday 😭
The BLK.10 frame definitely has the instant agility advantage over the BLK.15 and BLK.20, but if I'm being honest, with how I play the plane, I don't really notice it. I don't like to get very slow because I fear a 3rd party plenty of times. Therefore, I will either stay at very high speeds and constantly take verticals, or I will keep the F-16 between ~800-850km/h IAS to get the best rate speed out of her (You can get 25-26 degrees per second sustained on RB controls). I will use either method at discretion, but prefer the rate when I can since no one can keep with you. That Mig-29 may be able to pull around fast, but after he gets below 550-600, it's over if he doesn't already have a shot.
Personally having the high speed pull is crucial, especially when I don't see missiles coming in time and NEED to get into the notch before they get to me
Going vertical is what gets me killed in the block 15 because the high speed turning is just non-existent. Everything feels infinitely better flying the block 10 than the block 15. It feels bad in the block 15 to be going vertical an being an absolute brick, radar missiles are 100% unavoidable if you do it unless you know no one else is going to 3rd party you.
@@GeneralLee2000 I can understand that perspective and I do admit that every so often, I would have liked an extra G of pull. But given my playstyle, I tend to be more defensive when I can and play to avoid drawn out conflict. It's partly why I keep so much speed; so I can get in and get the fuck out as fast as possible. Don't doubt the significance of the extra pull instant agility for anyone more aggressive than myself.
@@Broomtwo When you say radar missiles are 100% unavoidable, what ranges are we talking about. Because if you're not maneuvering while head-on to a Mig-29 that is locking you within 6km, you probably deserve that death... The high compression is also mostly found at lower altitudes, which is an area I try to avoid since it leaves me with less options. If I either have to go low or an forced low, I will use the vertical so I can cash in some of my speed for altitude and position. I will also be keeping track of my surroundings and remembering the last known positions of enemies I know are not yet dead.
@@Registered_Simp Basically within like 5-10 km, if you can't see someone and you go vertical at high speed, then as you go vertical you get radar locked, you are pretty much dead because of the g-limit and terrible turn rate. Its just a risk. If you know where everyone on the enemy team is, then its fine for turning your speed into altitude if you have time to do the maneuver before they are in range. The compression/g-limit is worse on the ADF so its harder to notch missiles in time in general if you are going super-sonic and can't see someone and they launch a radar missile at relative short range. That's why I either hug the ground to defeat missiles if I am going fast, and I usually sit at trans-sonic speeds if I am low to mid-alittude so I can cut enough speed to notch in time.
So what your saying is if the python was on the MiG 29 it would be your favorite. Or if it was on a prop plane.
Depends on the BR. Not a huge fan of the J-8F because that airframe at top tier isn't the best, but in general Python 3 makes plane goog
I think that the r27t or r24t are the best ir missiles.
I think this plane has the best top tier turn time, i know its the fastest turn time for an f16 in the game
At low speeds I believe so, yes.
IDK why we didn't get the R73 when they added the Python 3 with 40Gs
Because the R73 is a better python 4. No reason for it to be in the game.
i played the f4s today and i never was so dissapointed with a premium vehicle i perfrom way better with the a10 in dogfights than with that thing
The F4S isn't meant to dogfight, and dogfighting one on one isn't really a thing in top-tier. Just make sure you can hit your missiles and run, don't turn with anyone.
this is what happens when u dont know how top tier or jets at all work and jsut buy it thinking its an instant win button, F4S can be very good if you play it right, i.e. keep your distance and dont dogfight unless absolutely necessary and lob sparrows at people from afar
Dont Forget that Kfir C2 event vehicle got the Python 3 as well but only thing is the wings rip on tight @$$ turns.
Dang finally! I thought I was the only one who thought so. But the weird thing is that the kfir canard doesn't do that though, right?
Very true, I might see how the matchmaker is
@@jacktran5369 only thing is the Kfir(young lion) Canard does not get the Python 3 AAM it only gets the AIM and the Shafrir air-to-air missiles(AAM)
Ik you said there’s no rwr warning bc no sarh missles but you keep your radar on?
3:56 I will make this my ringtone!
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😎 Lee ringtone FTW
Its crazy how the 3 best F16, there isnt one that is american. Imo, the 3 best F16 is the Netz, the F16Aj and the F16 MLU
their next option is the F16C im pretty sure, they are sitting just fine with the f14 at the moment
@@molstad182 I personally don’t like the F14. I find it to be a way too huge targets for my playstyle. I love playing dog fighter
F-16 Netz is a Block 10, but the AJ and MLU are Block 20s. AJ and MLU have the performance of the Block 10, but can carry AIM-7, which means they're both MLUs. The reason why the US doesn't get the MLU is because the MLU (Mid-Life Upgrade) is similar in performance to the F-16C. However, Japan never operated the F-16C, instead electing to have Mitsubishi Heavy Industries produce the F-2, which was a licensed copy of the F-16C, modified with slightly larger wings in order to fulfill a support role. Taiwan was forbidden from purchasing the F-16C (ordained by China), so instead they got upgraded Block 10s, which became the MLU (Block 20).
What does this mean for the US tech tree? This means that next in line is the F-16C, since it's the same as the MLU in performance, but with the capability of carrying the AIM-7 and the first generation AIM-120.
Note: F-16AJ doesn't exist. Gaijin put it in because Japan got a single F-16 as a sample test, but the JASDF chose not to buy it.
@@bigtime9597 the MLU doesn’t have the maneuverability of the Block 10 tho, it has the maneuverability of the Block 15, the F16 ADF. From what I have experienced, the difference between the f16 are the next one :
F16A : 60 flares, no radar missiles and best maneuverability
F16ADF : 60 flares, radar missiles and worse maneuverability.
F16AJ : same as the F16A, but with Radar missiles
F16MLU : Same as the F16ADF, but with more flares and a better radar
F16 Netz : same as the F16A, but with the best small range ir missiles in the game right now.
Gaijin should really change the high speed maneuverability of the F16. It’s disgusting how bad it is right now compared to other aircrafts
0:39 nope
This this with sparrows would be best viper in game BY FAR just bc of the python 3s
Ah yes a 40g missile can’t wait for when they add The Python-4 and 5
We still waiting on the R-73s first
@@icantsleepman i Guess
SO based
python 5 funi backflip missile
@@molstad182 exactly thrust vectoring
The Defyn logo is giving 🤌🏻
SO BASED
Amazing vid btw i was just about to buy the Kfir canard to grind for this before I saw the vid, do y’all think that the canard will be in the summer sale?
I think it probably will, I would wait and see either way. Kfir Canard is an excellent prem!
@@GeneralLee2000 thx I will probably still buy it with out the sale
@@GeneralLee2000it is but its strugle a bit against all the F5s flying around…but its definitely good to bomb bases
the 1987 model is a block 30 if i recall
It's not, they refitted their Block 10s (Netz) as well.
@@GeneralLee2000 i need the source ama be honest since i have been looking for it since yesterday night
@@xavsul9108 the best I can give you for now is this picture, see the protrusion on the rear? The F-16Cs have that, and not the Netz. The image I showed in the video also doesn't have that. I'm not allowed to disclose how I know the exact year but I can see if I can get more sources if this isn't enough for you.
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F-16A Netz is a F-16A Block 10. We have six F-16 ingame: USA F-16A Block 10, USA F-16A Block 15 ADF, ITA F-16A Block 15 ADF, TWN F-16A Block 20, ISR F-16A Block 10 Netz.
F-16C/D Block 30 in Israeli service are called Barak.
I have the F-16A ADF and the Netz. It is a night and day difference for me, the difference between their flight models. The ADF feels like an absolute brick. And is deeply unfun to fly. The block 10 Netz actually feels like it can maneuver, and not to mention it has Python 3's now, I think I would rather have 6 Python 3's than 4 AIM-9L's and 2 sparrows. Netz is the best F-16 in the game right now in my opinion. I've got like a 4:1 or 5:1 KD flying it out.
Fair and valid!
Nuts. This makes me really want the Netz now. 🤣I have the ADF, and love it, but you definitely need to drop throttle and airbrake a lot in it if someone gets on your tail.
Im gonna start grinding china for those python 3 and for the mig15/19!
J-8F gets HMD along with them, just a shame the airframe isn't AS good
Hey general lee we were in the same game yesterday! Didn’t believe it’s real at first lol
Oh we were? ahaha nice!
4:37 an aim-9L could hit that, and if it was a bit close the r-60m could as well
I don’t think it could that was pretty intense pull there especially with the 9Ls low pull off rail
Which nations have the block 20? I know the ADF is a hand me down block 15 but I didn’t realize there was a block 20 too.
China's MLU is block 20
Taiwan!
Looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Sadly my puter is bricked right now. Im just really excited to see the f15 come. Im honestly confused as to why we got the f14b before the f15
Because the F14B is barely different than the A model. The next aircraft for the US is either a F15 or F/A-18
@@ICECAPPEDSKY possibly F-15 first, F-18 were introduced later
I am SO ready for F-15A
Its confusing in general that we haven't gotten the F-15. We have F-14s, F-16s, and MiG-29s. The F-15, Su-27 the F/A-18 are the only ones weirdly missing.
@@GeneralLee2000 I'm ready for the new fastest plane in thr game. 4 sparrows 4 9Ls on that will be fun
I have no idea what's wrong with the people thinking the block 5/10 irl are better dogfighters than the block 15/20 onwards. the argument "increase in weight" is stupid, the difference is only 280kg over 7690kg empty weight. That a 3,6% increase in weight. The elevator increase is 30% of the surface. Even then, the "wing loading" difference is neglegible for that reason of just 3,6% increase in weight. If you actually take a look at the Flight Performance diagrams (E-M diagrams) they are exactly the same at the same altitude for every speed/G turn etcetera. So, please, all of you trying to "justify" this bullshit, stop doing that, the F-16 ADF and MLU irl are superior to the block 5/10 because they are able to carry Aim-7. The flight performance with same payload is not inferior.
Thank you for this amazing video to end the day Matthew McConaughey.
Glad you enjoyed it! But I'm not him 😭
@@GeneralLee2000 yea yea great, so what movie are you working on next.
3:40 nope
Dude I literally show the exact stats on screen 😭. You can't just say no to facts
You guys think we'll ever get Aim-9X's?
60G pulls gonna be lit, lol.
Probably in a few years I'd wager
T 80bvm too
I did indeed enjoy the video.
😎
The pythons look like Magic 2s whenever you fire them off, also speaking of french missiles…Mirage 2000-5F vid soon? Hmmmm???
Possibly next wednesday, we'll have to see!
@@GeneralLee2000 oooooohhhhhweeee, let’s goooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
i’ve been thinking about getting a flight stick for war thunder. Any recommendations?
I run the Thrustmaster T.16000M, it's a reasonably priced stick.
@@GeneralLee2000 How much is it?
can you please fly the kfir c2 it has pythons 3 and 11.0
I might depending on how 11.0 is feeling right now!
@@GeneralLee2000 feeling like shit, 70% uptiers (playing the f104s taf)
@@Julian-nr5feno I swear the matchmaker is so much more generous now I think the boycott a lot of top tier players stopped playing so downtierd were more frequent
Israel is on the roadmap of countries I wanna grind, will keep this thing in mind
It's so fun
IR is fun. Radar is result.
does anyone know any coaching folks? I watch the videos but it doesn't seem to help much. I'd like to be a better pilot/gamer but I learn best with 1 on 1 teaching.
8 months ago is insane
True...
Im in Israel because of job reasons. Im in love with the country, so after USA, USRR and Germany, the next nation I'm gonna unlock is Israel XD
Understandable!
When is your birthday? We’ll strive for 5k before then!
July 24th
tyhx i subed liked and left you this message
Thank you so much!
Wassup lee? Can I ask you a question?
Sure, wassup?
@@GeneralLee2000 is there a certain amount of subs I need or something to get a partnership with gaijin? I would love to make an f16 video someday.
@@suzybean13 you need to have an average of 1K views per video, and they look for consistent uploads as well. I believe the minimum subs required is 500, you can check their website to make sure :)
@@GeneralLee2000 cool thanks man!
Happy Birthday Lee
STAHP
Fook. Now I gotta grind out Israel.
So true!
I prefer these on literally any other platform than the 16 tbh (except the Kurnass Phantom, fuck Phantoms).
Imo they're best on the J-8F.
I can't really vibe with the J-8F personally, a MiG-21 airframe at top tier is 💀. But my next vid will probably be on it
@@GeneralLee2000 it's better than you think. It's kind of a 21 platform but not really.
As long as the enemy does not expect it, its still just another IR missile with better hit probability but just a bit more, but in other terms id rather fly a radar wielding aircraft since it forces ur bandit to a defensive or kiss the hard deck.
Mfw new lee video 😳
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Hell Ya the Netz and the Kfir(young Lion) C7 with Pythons so much better than the Chinese J-8F with PL-8 that is actually in real life is a tiny bit weaker than the Python 3 but Gaijin puts the thing with the same stats .. of course. Plus the PL-8 only has a 38G overload and does do mach 4 but they throw it up in the game as 40G same EXACT as the Python ... "hope that gets changed" the Python 3 does have a 40G and only can reach 15km real life and does mach 3.5 . So gaijin has to of course make things the way they make em for reasons i guess.
Gaijn probably just made it like that since it’s easier to just have them both do the same and the J-8F is a tiny bit better since HMD
@@Hundreddilation ya idk The J-8F is a delta wing as well and bleeds a lot of speed but for the dog fights you have to have A LOT in your favor and if a person doesn't pull away and open the gap plus the flight performance isn't the best. But if you are playing against a person that knows a little bit about this J-8F then most likely you be heading back to the hangar. But hey this is WT and that's few and far between 🤫 So yes the Chinese plane gets HMD and it really isn't that much of a benefit, don't get me wrong it is but it's a slight one. Also this thing only get radar missiles and thats it. So thats a game changer as well. Either way, at least Gaijin is dropping in something nice into the game to grind for.👍✌
@@Hundreddilation IF a person tries to energy fight you and you are in the J-8F you most likely end up with a bad outcome. The thing bleeds speed pretty quick and you want to get slow and make sure they commit to the fight. This does have amazing controllability especially if you use a keyboard and being able to get a reversal in can be done. It's pretty much like the J-8B and the nose can flop around and you can get some pretty nasty snapshots and you can get the nose to go where you want it. So if you made it down the Chinese line then you know how it is. But you need to sneak around the side of the map to get kills in and stick to the ground so ya can't get SARH missiles launched at you.
pl-8 is better because of the mao bias capabilities ❤
hmm? Wdym?
you mean the invisible missile bug? that happens with all missiles, happened to me with the aim 9L multiple times
@@molstad182
The shorter burn time allows the missile(diamond) icon to be invisible , the acceleration is still insane despite the burn time.
@@roberttx0015 the python 3 and pl8 have the exact same burn time, they are LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME MISSILE
Python 3 bias
FACTUAL
The reason the earlier models performed better is because
John Boyd designed the prototype as the ultimate dog fighter and every time they update it and add more stuff it constraints the performance, so the earlier the model the closer the idea he envisioned
I just feel bad when nato jets get missiles like the 9L and Python 3s, when the russian jets are stuck with r60ms with absolutely no flare resistance.. r73 where gaijin ?!
R60m barely has any range like below 2.5km for a guaranteed kill and then people will almost definitely see it and flare. I’ve even had it miss when it’s a perfect shot. I swear if the su-27 or the mig-29s come out with only r-60m
@@gollygosh with how the thing are going the su27 will come with R60s a hardcap of 2 ERs and no ETs
I mean in exchange they get the R-27ER which is the best radar missile ingame by a long shot... and the R-60M is still alright, just lacks range.
@@GeneralLee2000 as much as i would like to agree to that lee, you gotta note.. a radar missile is far easier to notice coming than a IR missile, also you only get 2 of them.. while the python is 6.. it's the quality vs quantity debate which in this case is mostly won by the nato countries..
And further, the we can't say that the r60 is alright, when the aim9L pulls the same Gs, goes further and is more flare resistant.. python just takes it further
MiG-29 gets the best flight performance and the best radar missile, and the r73 is far more capable than Python 3's and AIM-9L's, if the MiG-29 had it it would have the best radar missiles, the best IR missiles, and the best flight performance.
It's not the F-16 Air Jordans tho 🤷♂
Truuuuu
Flares have enter chat….
Shrimply fire it from a direction they don't expect. These missiles are great at that
What if this F16 got HMD 40G missile’s on this jet I will give you a like lee if you keep making good video’s so far good job but I will give you a like because you make some of the greatest war thunder video’s I have ever watched please never leave RUclips if you quit RUclips and wt I will not doing good but please keep making great video’s be better then joob:)
Edit please make some more video’s about the F14 I just love that jet
Aww, thanks bro :). I appreciate the support! And I probably will make more F-14 videos, maybe in like a month or so tho, we'll see!
@@GeneralLee2000 Python goes on f14 👀
@@seekerpro486 bruh what
ADF flies like A5, its omega joke 😂
what set missile ?
Hmm?
Imo the block 20 is the best f16 due to raw performance and a better radar.
Yes the block 10 turns better at higher speeds but its not much of a difference and i just like the block 20 more idk
The sparrows and the extra countermeasures are nice on the block 20, you get twice as many flare drops. Personally the extra pull is more worth on the block 10s though IMO
They made the ADF only pull eight g’s when you are trans sonic and above. I
SUB, just for the skill issue decal
Eyyyyy
Can't fly it, never grinded isreal and i never will
Sad!!!
@@GeneralLee2000 fr
But your birthday already passed.
It has not
@@GeneralLee2000 But it has. XD
*NO I WONT FLY*
NOOO FLY!!!!
Cringe f16, p26 supremacy
SO true
where is fair play in this "game"?
*clicks on*
*sees chinese decal on plane an white boy american talking*
*dislikes*
*clicks off*
Chinese decal??? Huh?
are you blind to your own aircraft?@@GeneralLee2000