The statement you showed literally has nothing to do with uncountable alephs its just talking about the boundaries in-between dimensions or the dimensions themselves in the cosmology 💀💀💀💀
The one problem with this discussion is that Doomslayer has no feats showing the limits of his strength and power. It's like trying to scale Saitama. We know the feats of his opponents. But was Doomslayer using 10% of his power? 1%? Less than that? Sure, we as players struggle in game, but canonnically, Doomslayer isn't even trying. In the lore, he effortlessly tears through every obstacle placed before him with no difficulty.
Pretty sure that the divinity machine explicitly made sure that he wins literally every obstacle he’s put against. He only went into slumber when he was no longer needed, i.e. no threat present. If Goku and the saiyans pose a threat, divinity machine hack would outline the slayer to be vicarious.
A powerscale on Hellboy would be cool. Can’t really find anyone actually talking about how powerful he really is And I’m not just saying that because of my profile picture, I genuinely think he’s underrated
Doomslayer safely Gets to 5D The hyperversal stuff is debatable because there are times where they use dimensions and universes as the same thing But Great video Dude
@@S_Scalingdoom guy and super Goku are complex multiversal, manga Goku is possibly low hyperversal,xeno Goku and cc Goku are high hyperversal to possibly low outerversal
A big problem for Goku was that it was confirmed that Doom Slayer not only matched but also surpassed the absolute power of Davoth which could create and destroy infinite multiverses. Hinting at reality warping powers on a scale that could erase all of possibility, this is why Doom Slayer needs guns because going full power is too easy. Until Goku develops immunity to reality warping (An example: Xeno can't erase Goku.) , Goku is going to have exceptional difficulty staying alive against The Slayer.
And not to mention that Doom Slayer is stated to be stronger than his opponent no matter who it is, and he practically only uses his guns and weapons because it would be too easy without them.
My guy doomslayer ain't beating doomsday. Doomsday who has fought darkseid maybe true from and can adapt to anything and comes back stronger during or after the fight.
@@parkerwebb3470 nah i think xeno or cc Goku are scaled on par or higher than true form darkside (if he is scaled to his peak) Also darkseid died only because he completely let his guard down assuming his omega beam should have killed doomsday plus we have no actual proof that whether doomsday killed true form darkside or just an avatar (within the comic itself)
@@Mindhaxorsalthough Majin buu had insane healing factor being able to return from gaseous state doomsday is 'true' immortal not just in terms he really can't be permanently killed i don't think even hakai could do anything to him maybe zeno's erase will work tho
W video, but I feel like you slept on some of doomslayer’s hax that might work on xeno goku, for example, his immortality is slightly different from that of dbh characters, yes he can live forever and he can regenerate like them to, but he also can just come back if he is completely destroyed like if you actually kill him, secondly the doomslayer has durability negation via the unmakyr and crucible, he can also interact with souls seeing as in the classic games he can kill ghosts and he can also kill sprits post ancient gods dlc, with the microwave beam attachment on his plasma rifle he can stun lock enemies and burn them from the inside and his weapons including the ranged ones scale to his AP as he can empower his ranged stuff to scale to his normal self, he can absorb the energy of his foes like how he normally does with argent energy, his stamina is infinite so unless I’m missing something goku can’t nullify his stamina, plus we don’t know if they keysword could withstand blows from the crucible if they were to get into a cool sword fight, he can freeze goku in place (temporarily I think but maybe forever if I’m missing something which I very well might be) in the ice his enemies’ durability and endurance also drop, force field creation with the chaingun, infinite ammo, I could go on and yes I could talk about how he has a bunch of resistances to these things he has himself and more but it would be to much for a comment, but overall good video
@@Schro_well, we know that in gameplay (and in battle mode as well iirc) the slayer has extra lives and the cheats you can get through playing the game that enhance the slayers power are canon, the devs said that in eternal they wanted to make the gameplay feel somewhat closer to the lore to make you feel op fighting demons and one of those ways was via extra lives which the slayer would normally have an infinite amount of, extra lives are basically what that is which is the slayer coming back if he is somehow completely destroyed
@@fpsthecommentator2387 i dont think thats canon to the lore though, they are more just a gameplay mechanic, just like dying is a gameplay mechanic but it isnt canon to the lore
@zapch9547 certain gameplay elements like extra lives are Canon tho, like how berserk and haste and all the power ups are as well as there being literal codex entries about them in game
@@fpsthecommentator2387 I understand berserk and haste (although in my headcanon berserk is just slayer feeling like throwing hands) but since he is canonically indestructable than why would there even be a need for extra lives
The hyperversal and outerversal stuff for doomguy is more dubious. He should really be at an infinite 6d level. Greats vid btw, keep it up dude Also i have a match-up suggestion between john Wick and tyler rake
I literally played both Doom games. The man doesn't do anything more than any other fps protagonist. You guys are literally insane and is why I hate power scalers so much. What a cancerous community
A fight between the two,doomguy isnt just gonna let him powerup and scream..hes just gonna show no mercy and kill Goku on the spot upon seeing him..hes the doom guy
Out of all fictional opponents in video games and anime, this is probably the most fair matchup against Goku. Doomslayer is really fucking strong when looking at his feats. So imo, this is a 50/50 matchup
@@draco_1876 No Goku is overrated given how almost all power scales eventually compare X character to goku. Doomslayer is still relatively new to the scene of power scaling technically
@@DarthNox66 So you mean Doom 3? That's the only version that seems to be retconned. Cause this Doomslayer is also doomguy, THE doomguy, so he's the one from Doom 1, 2, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Doom Eternal for the timeline
Hell being stated to be blatantly beyond time, space, and infinite dimensions is baseline outer. Considering Hell is an extension of Davoths own power, Doomslayer would pretty much one shot Goku like an ordinary Imp (if we used the current DBS Goku that is) since Doomslayer had the power to contend with & defeat Davoth
Well, even the Maykrs are unbound by space, which would make Urdak baseline outerversal. If they couldn’t see hell fullly, that means that he’ll transcend over them, finally making hell normal outerversal.
Honestly these two can pretty much be scaled anywhere and there’s people who’d agree or disagree, though I am gonna ask, does Doomguy have any impressive skill feats/training, I partially wonder because despite everything Goku has, those are still incredibly important parts of the character, so I like it when debates involving him can include that part of him.
He was trained as a space marine. After annihilating three separate demon invasions alone he goes into hell and fights for an unknown amount of time. While in hell, he fought nonstop until he was discovered by the night sentinels. The night sentinels threw him in the coliseum and judged that he was too strong to be wasted in the coliseum. He was then made the first foreign night sentinel and trained in their ways. He became the best night sentinel and led them until Argent D'Nur fell to hell. He then spent billions of years in hell fighting nonstop. From there he's imprisoned in the sarcophagus and the events of DOOM 4 begin. His training isn't that notable, but I would still say his fighting skill and technique are probably quite good. Billions of years of experience fighting would probably teach you how to fight better than any mentor could. I don't think he has any particularly impressive skill feats other than his ability to immediately understand foreign technology and weaponry. There hasn't been any shown skill that he hasn't been proficient in. He's basically succeeded at everything with no apparent difficulty since the start of the series. In terms of his fighting skill, there haven't been much in terms of details. All we really know about his style is that he's extremely aggressive and proficient with both ranged and melee combat. I don't think his skills are lacking compared to Goku, but he probably has fewer techniques and tricks at his disposal.
@@crabhater9373adding to that doomslayer fought in the arena eternal against gladiators and warrior's from different dimensions ( btw quake is cannon)
@@draco_1876 Hugo Martin confirmed Doom Slayer empowers his weapons, not only that, Hugo Martin confirms a lot of lore statements never shown in the game itself. You gotta remember DOOM is an FPS game, and there's a lot of things Hugo Martin wanted to implement to the game but cannot due to development issues because of the pandemic.
@@YungBZ Some certainly, but "a lot" doubt it Most of them are too busy writing an essay on how doomguy is the best character in video game history and the most powerful and multi-outerversal (despite all of his power he can't bring their dads back from the milk) and how somehow that adds on their previous (dubious) claim of best character
So the Doomslayer can decisively beat both Kratos and Goku.... but "officially" still loses to Master Chief? You probably know what I'm talking about...😒
Say what, in lore we never see doomslayer struggling, hes infininite speed or beyond, his power is infinite bcs it scales with his will power same as his durability and speed. And its said that he will never lose to anyone bcs his power aleays be more than enough to fuck anyone up.
Well yeah but if you literally give Doom Slayer only his accomplishments and feats from like say the first Doom game and give Goku all of his feats from all the games and animes etc then of course Goku would have a chance of winning.
You know what all these fictional characters can't beat? The people irl that made them. A person in the real world scales to beyond boundless across all fiction since it's our thoughts and efforts that bring them to life. We can casually create an entire infinite fictional multiverse within our minds. We may not be able to fully comprehend that, but we still made it. We thought them up. We can simply create an event that kills them off.
Doomguy killed GOD OF THE MULTIVERSE with no signs of struggle or sweat while using guns If that doesn't tell you he solos idk what does man (doesn't need any forms too) Like imagine he starts smiling and dropping his guns 💀
One thing I gotta say is that the Doom Slayer takes battle IQ. He was fighting in Argent for “Eons”. Also don’t forget his power ups from the games. Epic vid👌
Xeno Goku Can use every ability via r>f or expand partner customisation If we include all of his hax that just be over kill As he can just summon beings like mechikabool(can bend reality it self at will) Arale(insane gag power) Zeno(idk but grand priest refers him as omnipotence) Vegeta(on par with Goku power) Super shenron(wishing power with no bounds) True from tokitoki(basically a god god of time Creator of history Controller of fate etc) Or any other characters that exist in sdbh Plus he has multiple layers of immortality via zamasu immortality Being able to bring himself back from the dead Having auto recovery etc
Doomguy literally causes multiverses to collapse due to his mere presence, also not to mention that it's quite literally stated that doomguy is just better than his opponents no matter what.
Goku's one of the weirdest characters to scale. He has the power to delete planets and can shake universes and even the Multiverse, yet he can't breathe in space and would die in the vacuum if he accidently blows up the planet he's on. Like come on Torriyama! Make it make sense😂
Hey Chuck I would stay away from Meta outerversal scaling interpretations which have to objective foundation nor any proof behind them. They often take things out of context and use logic fallacies to infuse these false paradigms about a character and his verse. It has been extremely bad and prevalent across the powerscaling community for too many years now influencing people with false teachings. I would reject that stuff for sake of integrity and accuracy.
3:54 Immeasurable Speed just means having enough speed to travel through time via raw speed and we call this Immeasurable because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance over time and is actually way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left. in DOOM 2016 The Slayer's Testament VI describe the Doom Slayer a "Time Walker" who can travel through worlds and through time in the Lore.
I know I asked that already but I was wondering if you'd like to talk about a ygo gx character named Yubel. That character is interesting IMO because ygo is often an under estimated verse while it has some multiversal characters, characters who can cross galaxies in a few hours which makes them at least billions of times ftl. Reality warpers, mind manipulators etc ... Even in the most recent anime there are some crazy feats like multiple galaxies crossed in some hours, planetary stuff, reality warping, pocket dimension, space-time alteration, time travel, possible time paradox immunity, possession, corruption, mind alteration, reality warping + mind alteration (to make people believe reality always worked that way), alteration of laws of physics etc ... Yubel is possibly one of the strongest characters of ygo being multiversal, several octilions of times ftl (enough to cross the observable univers 80 millions of times per second), has tons of hax like extreme resistance to mind manipulation, acausality, conceptual existence, mid godly regen, reality warping (multiversal scale), mind manipulation that bypasses resistance to mind manipulation, soul manipulation, space manipulation, dimensional travel, teleportation (multiversal scale and it works on others as well), immunity to physical attacks, intangibility, pocket dimension creation etc ...
Goku would probably get tired fighting the Slayer. It’s a guy with infinite stamina vs a guy with impressive stamina. Slayer’s durability will definitely also play into it
@@jearbear750 his stamina is nowhere near the slayer my guy. This man fought for millions of years nonstop without getting tired. Goku gets exhausted fighting for more than a few days. Goku had to eat, Slayer does not. Goku still has mortal weaknesses, Slayer is literally a reincarnation of the guy who created his multiverse.
It's basically like all characters vs. DBZ characters. If you take them at face value without any lore implications, they'll probably win unless its against someone who is extremely ridiculous.
Doomguys combat skill and combat IQ are so underrated. He fought demons in hell for literally BILLIONS of years and not all of those demons are mindless monsters btw. The prime example of this is the Marauder, former night sentinels that doomguy fought with back in argent d'nur turned into demons. The Marauders still retain their combat skill and memories from before they were demons (as evident in the gameplay and the Marauders introduction). And the Night Sentinels were some of the most skilled fighters in all of the DOOM universe. Doomguy would know absolutely every way to hurt or kill anything or anyone alike with nearly any sort of combat method you could think of.
Doomslayer armor is litterally impenetrable not only that but he is manipulating fate by simply existing. Doomslayer wins, multipliers doesn't mean goku wins. And before you ask Doomslayer does have a way to get damage on goku as he also has durability nullification. DOOMSLAYER IS IMMORTAL! and i hate to say it but goku is a one trick pony all he can really do is punch doomslayer and use Kamehameha on him but that wouldn't even work with doomslayers armor, i respect the effort of the scale but jut because goku has multipliers doesn't mean he wins as at the end of the day Doomslayer has shit in his arsenal that goku simply can't deal with.
Heya Chuck, consider scaling the megami tensei verse. They're some of my favorites and insanely powerful, should make for interesting videos and honestly should be able to pit them vs insanely broken characters like lucifer Morningstar for example.
Your example would only make sense if the character created it from their own life force. It's silly to think a character who literally created the fundamentals for existence itself wouldn't scale to it.
@@Chuckhe did it over time, not all at once. That's like saying you're city block because you can destroy an entire one for over the course of 5 years. You need to do it at a short amount of time or instantly.
The Khan's and demons can fly to, so can't use flight really as an advantage. And doom slayer has been fighting for eons, so idk who would have more battle iq
Add that slayers armor only can be damaged by wright energy and that he tanks hits that destroys both the body and the soul on a basis (the armored baron).
The only real problem is they use tech that uses their life essence or steals others life essence. Goku has a fuck ton of life essence, so much he doesn’t need tech. Yes I realize this is a super watered-down condensed version but essentially that is what it is.
It depends really. If it's just a normal day, then Goku probably has the win But if Goku kills Doomguy's rabbit... there's nothing that can save him XD
That’s the thing about dragon ball, it likes to step over itself and both confirms and denies, while doom kind of just adds on without retconning, so powerscaling Dragonball becomes a clusterfuck of manga pages, Anime frames, video games, and creator statements that sometimes conflict with each other, not saying it’s bad, it’s just powerscaling is a lot easier in doom compared to dragonball.
I'd like to suggest a possible 5-7 way brawl of armored figures 😁 A brawl between the following: - Guyver-I (with his Gigantic upgrade) - Kamen Rider - Blue Beetle - Iron Man - Witchblade (Sara or Masane doesn't matter) - one of the VR-Troopers AND - the strongest/powerful of the Power Rangers. I'd add DOOM-Slayer, but he would be over kill 😂
A point to make in terms of experience levels is that the Doom Slayer reliably has a massive advantage with BIQ since he's never stopped fighting, and has been fighting for eons within Hell, which is theorized to be billions of years in that time even though it works differently in Hell. Just as well, and this is more of an observation comparison toward a different verse than the two in this comparison, but Doom's Hell seems like DMC's Hell with the way that it is explained, being an immeasurably infinite void of consumption upon an unknown scale, I feel like even within a base to base combat without considering their highs that it might be even. Another point as I figured out is that at any point he can quadruplicate his damage, in lore, not just by comparing game mechanics, which seems pretty large for the character overall, especially since he actively nerfs himself with the use of guns and other weapons, which he is actively amplifying/upgrading any weapon in his hand just by using it.
I find it funny that doomguy (not doomslayer) loses to master chief some how. I'm sorry if you a person have been fighting demons that are said to be so damn strong and there a few demons that can destroy cities not counting bosses that can do much worse. I think you would be very damn tough to kill. even if your not as powerful as doomslayer. I don't care how much of a master chief fan they are. he well still have a hard time fighting someone that fights beings that are worse than the aliens he faced.
@@rickydiscord7671Ngl doomguy ( not doomslayer) is pretty op like 4th dimensional by him scaling above the valdregar and the dreamers who dreams extradimensional realms and elder gods, and him scailing above elder gods that are beyond human comprehension and having sizes that are endless, or him killing the cyberdemon knowing the cyberdemon resisted blows from the soul cube knowing the soul cube rivals beings that are transcended to space and time
Maybe a powerscaling video on TES would be interesting. People sleep on that verse's power or either wank it too much with dubious information that is pretty much headcanon.
Everyone talking about “doom slayer is strong because of his guns” little do they know he uses guns because he wants to torture the demons stating it would end too quick if he used his hands. (His theme is literally names “the only thing they fear is you”)
Great video chuck ✨,at their mid end scaling both super Goku and doomslayer are complex multiversal or 7d with immeasurable speed but i do think doomslayer would possibly win due to stamina with high diff but not say goku would not win, heroes Goku is comfortable in the high hyperversal tier even without the Arale scaling, but although the using Arale is still reasonable, it's just some are still trying to wrap their minds on how broken the dr slump cosmology is, many don't even know about dr slump. So using the high ends, Goku would most likely win, due to heroes cosmology being more impressive than that of the doomverse, due to the fact that each universe in main line dragon ball super has super dimensions and they are infinite numbers of super dimensions due to infinite number of timelines and multiverse and meta fictional trancendance, demigra had to trancendend dimensions to acess beats world meaning a considerable amount of higher geometrical dimensions.
In the novelization of the dbs broly movie when gogeta and broly were fighting they went to a super dimensional realm and shattered it. So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions =Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions That's what we get.
chat the doomsayers power grows depending on the opponent so no matter how powerful his opponent is he will always be stronger, also he's basically the living embodiment of "I'm just better"
There is a ability that doomslayer has which is overlooked which is manipulating and destruction of the essence, the essence is the force that governs all living beings said that it encompasses the mind, will, intelligence, emotions, soul, abilities and the essential natures of the consciousness. And the essence is also something that governs reality because in the doom verse hell is a living thing and a extension of devoth's power , and urdak by the many souls it has thats considered a living thing as well, theres also a statment saying that argent energy is beyond traditional science and unrestricted by dimensionally bound contemplation. These are just some things that you missed or things that i saw from the codex. Btw w vid
The DoomSlayer wins no question hands down. Due to two main factors. One is the fact that his power will always raise to the level he needs to win, his power will always match his will, basically “willpower” if you will,… lol. The second thing is his age. It is said in the game lore that he entered hell to fight them on their own turf and to also make sure that no more hell portals could be opened again. The time period that he spent I. Hell could be billions of years to just millions, it could have been even longer. All that time when he was in hell, he was in constant combat and every demon he slayed only empowered him even more. So his battle IQ would be way higher than Goku simply based on the amount of time that he spent in hell fighting the demons. In the codex’s entries this two things are easily found from either Doom 2016 and/or Doom Eternal. There are many other factors to consider when looking at the potential power of the DoomSlayer and scaling him hypothetically against other fictional characters. Really the DoomSlayer cannot be reliably power scaled in his own reality let alone in comparison to another fictional reality, because the makers of his story and game have never really mentioned any limits to his power, that is if there are any. Also, in regards to his battle IQ and the amount of time he has spent fighting hell, his godly biological functions or lack there of need to be mentioned. Because the DoomSlayer does not have limitations like Goku does like eating, sleeping, drinking, dedicating, breathing, and basically anything else we human beings have to do in order to maintain our existence the DoomSlayer does not have to partake in. This fact means that not only was he in hell fighting for potentially millions or billions of years, but that the time spent in hell would have all been dedicated to fighting as the DoomSlayer has no downtime. I love Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball Super, and even Dragonball GT. I also like the Doom games and I have been playing Doom since the original shareware release of the first episode and I was following the story of Dragonball before Doom was even made. So I am not playing favourites here I am simply stating the facts that are provided from both fictional universes via the accompanying media releases related to both franchises. Goku would definitely solo most other fictional universes but the DoomSlayer would actually solo all. The DoomSlayer has been built up by the lore to basically be the most powerful being that was ever created and he also beat his own creator, whose power was also flowing through his body. They have made the DoomSlayer to be the embodiment of a power fantasy and as of right now like I have said previously his has no limits to his power until the creators decide if he has any or not. But just looking at the text during the start of the new Doom game The Dark Ages, I doubt this trend with the creators not assigning him any limits will remain. Correct me if I am wrong but it states in that early text before he was a hero, he was the super weapon of kings and gods, and I believe this new game will show the heights of his power much more than the last two recent titles have. I will always say that the DoomSlayer wins right up until the creators actually assign some limitations to him. As for the ending of Doom Eternal The Ancient Gods Part 2 where he collapses after destroying the Dark Lord’s physical form and is then placed into a box again, that is the only time that I am aware of where his lore demonstrates any weakness of his. With that all said, due to the nature of how they left the ending of that story open ended, we do not know yet for sure if this is a permanent power loss for the DoomSlayer or if he will retain his power once he mentally and physically gets used to not being biologically connected to the creator of the Doom fictional multiverse. I cannot wait for the new game. Cheers all!!! 🎉🎉🎉
Great job chuck I agree with you on that doomslayer would win due to his feats and cosmology but I feel with gokus flight capability he could try to maneuver around but I wonder how a composite goku would fair and keep up the amazing work
@@Chuck We would need to specify what making something with lifeforce means. Your own physical effort when building the house could be considered lifeforce. We would also need the timeframe, and the exact creation method. Only then we could determine.
Nah, the physical work you put into it would not be the same thing as creating something from your own power. There's no timeframe. The realm is beyond timespace and unlimited by dimensions. No matter what way you try to downplay it, Dark Lord would scale to it because the dimension is part of him.
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Hey when you cover sonic the hedgehog
Could yo do Goku vs Doctor strange?
The statement you showed literally has nothing to do with uncountable alephs its just talking about the boundaries in-between dimensions or the dimensions themselves in the cosmology 💀💀💀💀
I think Doomslayer vs Spawn would be a good fight
Have you considered pitting Apocalypse from Marvel Comics against Goku?
Doom slayer only using guns to make it fair for his enemy
The Doom Slayer is a Primeval that can also empower his guns by using the Quad Damage/Onslaught Power Up as stated by Hugo Martin.
Still. But as we all know if he touches something with lethal intent they will basically pop 😂@@MrLim-wq2gn
hes basically on constant berserk mode if talking in a game sense
@@boogrs55 and everything is in constant "Oh fuck" mode
You know he is op when you select how hard it is the easiest I too young to die💀
Finally, worthy opponents for Handsome Squidward. Maybe if they team up they can beat him.
"Nah, we'd win"
Only Kirby could be a challenge to that monstrosity
Nah, handsome squidward would neg them
Same person 😂@@minichad5456
Shaggy no concept of difs all three with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
The one problem with this discussion is that Doomslayer has no feats showing the limits of his strength and power. It's like trying to scale Saitama. We know the feats of his opponents. But was Doomslayer using 10% of his power? 1%? Less than that? Sure, we as players struggle in game, but canonnically, Doomslayer isn't even trying. In the lore, he effortlessly tears through every obstacle placed before him with no difficulty.
This perfectly explains my problem.
Pretty sure that the divinity machine explicitly made sure that he wins literally every obstacle he’s put against. He only went into slumber when he was no longer needed, i.e. no threat present. If Goku and the saiyans pose a threat, divinity machine hack would outline the slayer to be vicarious.
That's why we just say he has Immeasurable strength and call it a day
Saitama used full strength against Garou so L comparison
@@astreusastresus198 Saitama used one hand that entire fight while mocking Garou bro was definitely not using full strength
A powerscale on Hellboy would be cool. Can’t really find anyone actually talking about how powerful he really is
And I’m not just saying that because of my profile picture, I genuinely think he’s underrated
Hell boy V Spawn has always been a matchup I'd like to see as op as Spawn is
Cause Hellboy is low universal at best he gets mopped up pretty quickly by this big hitters
@@reallyhimongod that’s still op as hell dude
@@LineproofI see what you did there nice pun
Doomslayer safely Gets to 5D
The hyperversal stuff is debatable because there are times where they use dimensions and universes as the same thing
But Great video Dude
@@S_Scaling💀
I mean anime Goku is multiversal but everything else he said is cap@@Hexlessness
Doom slayer is 7D
@@S_Scalingdoom guy and super Goku are complex multiversal, manga Goku is possibly low hyperversal,xeno Goku and cc Goku are high hyperversal to possibly low outerversal
Doomguy safeley gets to 7d bare minimum. Goku also gets there with some scaling too either way both are above 5D
A big problem for Goku was that it was confirmed that Doom Slayer not only matched but also surpassed the absolute power of Davoth which could create and destroy infinite multiverses. Hinting at reality warping powers on a scale that could erase all of possibility, this is why Doom Slayer needs guns because going full power is too easy.
Until Goku develops immunity to reality warping (An example: Xeno can't erase Goku.) , Goku is going to have exceptional difficulty staying alive against The Slayer.
Some random uac trooper: "Heh.....good thing he's on our side"
And not to mention that Doom Slayer is stated to be stronger than his opponent no matter who it is, and he practically only uses his guns and weapons because it would be too easy without them.
Finally! Another proper vs discussion featuring Goku from Chuck.
And, it features Doomguy! Lit.
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck you’re welcome and keep up the good work.
A better matchup for the Doom Slayer would be Doomsday who became the King of Hell from DC.
My guy doomslayer ain't beating doomsday. Doomsday who has fought darkseid maybe true from and can adapt to anything and comes back stronger during or after the fight.
Just to be clear goku killed majin buu, who literally ATE the king of hell.
@@Mindhaxors As a Dragon ball fan, I think it's clear you can't compare Majin Buu to Doomsday
@@parkerwebb3470 nah i think xeno or cc Goku are scaled on par or higher than true form darkside (if he is scaled to his peak)
Also darkseid died only because he completely let his guard down assuming his omega beam should have killed doomsday plus we have no actual proof that whether doomsday killed true form darkside or just an avatar (within the comic itself)
@@Mindhaxorsalthough Majin buu had insane healing factor being able to return from gaseous state doomsday is 'true' immortal not just in terms he really can't be permanently killed i don't think even hakai could do anything to him maybe zeno's erase will work tho
I'll take Doom/Doomslayer content ANYDAY: Thanks, Chuck!
Thanks for watching!
W video, but I feel like you slept on some of doomslayer’s hax that might work on xeno goku, for example, his immortality is slightly different from that of dbh characters, yes he can live forever and he can regenerate like them to, but he also can just come back if he is completely destroyed like if you actually kill him, secondly the doomslayer has durability negation via the unmakyr and crucible, he can also interact with souls seeing as in the classic games he can kill ghosts and he can also kill sprits post ancient gods dlc, with the microwave beam attachment on his plasma rifle he can stun lock enemies and burn them from the inside and his weapons including the ranged ones scale to his AP as he can empower his ranged stuff to scale to his normal self, he can absorb the energy of his foes like how he normally does with argent energy, his stamina is infinite so unless I’m missing something goku can’t nullify his stamina, plus we don’t know if they keysword could withstand blows from the crucible if they were to get into a cool sword fight, he can freeze goku in place (temporarily I think but maybe forever if I’m missing something which I very well might be) in the ice his enemies’ durability and endurance also drop, force field creation with the chaingun, infinite ammo, I could go on and yes I could talk about how he has a bunch of resistances to these things he has himself and more but it would be to much for a comment, but overall good video
Where does it say that slayer can come back if he is destroyed? (genuine question)
@@Schro_well, we know that in gameplay (and in battle mode as well iirc) the slayer has extra lives and the cheats you can get through playing the game that enhance the slayers power are canon, the devs said that in eternal they wanted to make the gameplay feel somewhat closer to the lore to make you feel op fighting demons and one of those ways was via extra lives which the slayer would normally have an infinite amount of, extra lives are basically what that is which is the slayer coming back if he is somehow completely destroyed
@@fpsthecommentator2387 i dont think thats canon to the lore though, they are more just a gameplay mechanic, just like dying is a gameplay mechanic but it isnt canon to the lore
@zapch9547 certain gameplay elements like extra lives are Canon tho, like how berserk and haste and all the power ups are as well as there being literal codex entries about them in game
@@fpsthecommentator2387 I understand berserk and haste (although in my headcanon berserk is just slayer feeling like throwing hands) but since he is canonically indestructable than why would there even be a need for extra lives
Thanks for another vid Chuck!
You bet!
Ive gotta go Slayer basically regardless of the circumstance, good vid.
Thank you!
Goku: are you a threat to earth
Doom guy: no. Are you a demon
Goku: No.
*starts chilling*
We are in a odd situation
Doom slayer is unstoppable as long as humanity exists
Doom slayer is the protector of humanity
Still a lovecraft victim
@@dc7981That’s not fair💀
The hyperversal and outerversal stuff for doomguy is more dubious. He should really be at an infinite 6d level. Greats vid btw, keep it up dude
Also i have a match-up suggestion between john Wick and tyler rake
Infinite 6D or Infinite 7D is fine Outerversal is contentious hes either 7D or Low Outer.
I literally played both Doom games. The man doesn't do anything more than any other fps protagonist. You guys are literally insane and is why I hate power scalers so much. What a cancerous community
Chuck chuck, what the hell? Christmas is still a solid ten months away, no need to spoil us like that. Awesome video as always.
Thanks!
A fight between the two,doomguy isnt just gonna let him powerup and scream..hes just gonna show no mercy and kill Goku on the spot upon seeing him..hes the doom guy
I haven't finished the video but I think goku is faster than him
Goku isn’t a demon thouugh
Out of all fictional opponents in video games and anime, this is probably the most fair matchup against Goku. Doomslayer is really fucking strong when looking at his feats. So imo, this is a 50/50 matchup
Doomslayer is overrated
@@draco_1876 No Goku is overrated given how almost all power scales eventually compare X character to goku. Doomslayer is still relatively new to the scene of power scaling technically
@@kelmirosue3251 His retconned version
@@DarthNox66 So you mean Doom 3? That's the only version that seems to be retconned. Cause this Doomslayer is also doomguy, THE doomguy, so he's the one from Doom 1, 2, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Doom Eternal for the timeline
@@kelmirosue3251 Where did you got that he is Doomguy
Dope shit chuck, gon listen to this while working.
Waited like 13 hours for this shit, haven’t slept.
And I still somehow missed it by an hour.
Hell being stated to be blatantly beyond time, space, and infinite dimensions is baseline outer. Considering Hell is an extension of Davoths own power, Doomslayer would pretty much one shot Goku like an ordinary Imp (if we used the current DBS Goku that is) since Doomslayer had the power to contend with & defeat Davoth
Well, even the Maykrs are unbound by space, which would make Urdak baseline outerversal. If they couldn’t see hell fullly, that means that he’ll transcend over them, finally making hell normal outerversal.
@juanjoyaborja.3054 being unbound by space and time isn't outerveral. You need to transcend the very concept of space and time, not just be above it.
@@joshuaaboo4767 isn't that just the same thing?
@@joshuaaboo4767 isn't transcending something being above it?
No lmao
Bro you are really underrated the doom slayer
Like what you been doing with adding the characters variations as well to the 1v1s 🤩
yoooo new Chuck video , Hype
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck thanks for making the video
Hell yeah Chuck droppin that knowledge with a savage vid
Honestly these two can pretty much be scaled anywhere and there’s people who’d agree or disagree, though I am gonna ask, does Doomguy have any impressive skill feats/training, I partially wonder because despite everything Goku has, those are still incredibly important parts of the character, so I like it when debates involving him can include that part of him.
He was the best among the Night Sentinels who protected the king and they would be tasked with fighting demons.
He was trained as a space marine. After annihilating three separate demon invasions alone he goes into hell and fights for an unknown amount of time. While in hell, he fought nonstop until he was discovered by the night sentinels. The night sentinels threw him in the coliseum and judged that he was too strong to be wasted in the coliseum. He was then made the first foreign night sentinel and trained in their ways. He became the best night sentinel and led them until Argent D'Nur fell to hell. He then spent billions of years in hell fighting nonstop. From there he's imprisoned in the sarcophagus and the events of DOOM 4 begin. His training isn't that notable, but I would still say his fighting skill and technique are probably quite good. Billions of years of experience fighting would probably teach you how to fight better than any mentor could. I don't think he has any particularly impressive skill feats other than his ability to immediately understand foreign technology and weaponry. There hasn't been any shown skill that he hasn't been proficient in. He's basically succeeded at everything with no apparent difficulty since the start of the series. In terms of his fighting skill, there haven't been much in terms of details. All we really know about his style is that he's extremely aggressive and proficient with both ranged and melee combat. I don't think his skills are lacking compared to Goku, but he probably has fewer techniques and tricks at his disposal.
I mean idk about training but he's been in hell for billions of years
@@crabhater9373adding to that doomslayer fought in the arena eternal against gladiators and warrior's from different dimensions ( btw quake is cannon)
ITS CHUCK O CLOCK!!
LOL I always wanted to say that in one of your videos 😂
If you go of statements and interpret them to your liking, Kirby is an infinitely powerful being that exists in all dimensions
I see the argument against DS. But if he won, he would absorb Goku's strength making him able to punch through reality and knock out Saitama's writer.
Lmao
Doomslayer i feel is downplayed by many people so thank you for doing this
There's a scaling for DOOM, at least high hyper for a single multiverse. If you'd like, I could send it to you.
He’s not tho
He literally used human weapons. Hugo Martin himself admitted the games showcase his power
@@draco_1876 Hugo Martin confirmed Doom Slayer empowers his weapons, not only that, Hugo Martin confirms a lot of lore statements never shown in the game itself. You gotta remember DOOM is an FPS game, and there's a lot of things Hugo Martin wanted to implement to the game but cannot due to development issues because of the pandemic.
"The godly Saiyan with a million hairstyles" 🤣 Not wrong.
Of course DoomGuy wins.
40k fanboy vs Doom fanboy who weighs the most
@@me67galaxylife40k bro that’s not even close
@@me67galaxylifethere’s a lot of doom fans who listen to themes in the gym I doubt 40k fans understand the concept of light,sun and grass
@@atomsmasher9279 well by numbers true, but what about individually
@@YungBZ Some certainly, but "a lot" doubt it
Most of them are too busy writing an essay on how doomguy is the best character in video game history and the most powerful and multi-outerversal (despite all of his power he can't bring their dads back from the milk) and how somehow that adds on their previous (dubious) claim of best character
So the Doomslayer can decisively beat both Kratos and Goku.... but "officially" still loses to Master Chief?
You probably know what I'm talking about...😒
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To be fair that before 2016 and old doom was just a shoter
One does not simply defeat the slayer
Yeah, with anything less than the Doom Slayer's highest ends Goku wins but the victory is far from simple.
Say what, in lore we never see doomslayer struggling, hes infininite speed or beyond, his power is infinite bcs it scales with his will power same as his durability and speed. And its said that he will never lose to anyone bcs his power aleays be more than enough to fuck anyone up.
Well yeah but if you literally give Doom Slayer only his accomplishments and feats from like say the first Doom game and give Goku all of his feats from all the games and animes etc then of course Goku would have a chance of winning.
The power to match his will given to someone who is literly rage incarnated, i think that explains itself
Great video, you been cooking!
You already know!
I like to see your take on Mario vs sonic.
I'd also like to point out Goku having a better battle IQ than Doom Slayer is insane! Man lead entire dimension spaning crusades
Goku isn’t even that smart 💀
@@Meepie_Playz not normal smart no. But he has insane battle iq. Just not doom slayer insane
Neither have crazy IQ feats lol for all we know doomguy just told everyone to shoot demons
@dc7981 my man you clearly don't know either doom slayer or goku. Please don't bother weighing in
You know what all these fictional characters can't beat? The people irl that made them. A person in the real world scales to beyond boundless across all fiction since it's our thoughts and efforts that bring them to life. We can casually create an entire infinite fictional multiverse within our minds. We may not be able to fully comprehend that, but we still made it. We thought them up. We can simply create an event that kills them off.
Goku vs the antithesis of a god.
Doomguy killed GOD OF THE MULTIVERSE with no signs of struggle or sweat while using guns
If that doesn't tell you he solos idk what does man (doesn't need any forms too)
Like imagine he starts smiling and dropping his guns 💀
Chuck: leaves for a few months and returns with absolute BANGERS!
Lets be real these guys would go to a restaurant order pizza and noodles while talk about pets and their enemies
You know watching a Chuck video is a good way to start the weekend.
One thing I gotta say is that the Doom Slayer takes battle IQ. He was fighting in Argent for “Eons”. Also don’t forget his power ups from the games.
Epic vid👌
Xeno Goku
Can use every ability via r>f or expand partner customisation
If we include all of his hax that just be over kill
As he can just summon beings like mechikabool(can bend reality it self at will)
Arale(insane gag power)
Zeno(idk but grand priest refers him as omnipotence)
Vegeta(on par with Goku power)
Super shenron(wishing power with no bounds)
True from tokitoki(basically a god god of time
Creator of history
Controller of fate etc)
Or any other characters that exist in sdbh
Plus he has multiple layers of immortality via zamasu immortality
Being able to bring himself back from the dead
Having auto recovery etc
Doomguy literally causes multiverses to collapse due to his mere presence, also not to mention that it's quite literally stated that doomguy is just better than his opponents no matter what.
W video, i cannot wait for jumpforce goku scale from you
Goku's one of the weirdest characters to scale. He has the power to delete planets and can shake universes and even the Multiverse, yet he can't breathe in space and would die in the vacuum if he accidently blows up the planet he's on. Like come on Torriyama! Make it make sense😂
he's drunk half of the time + now he's just getting to old.
@@rickydiscord7671 and he's gone
Doomguy enters the db verse
Zeno: I don’t feel so good
Hey Chuck I would stay away from Meta outerversal scaling interpretations which have to objective foundation nor any proof behind them. They often take things out of context and use logic fallacies to infuse these false paradigms about a character and his verse. It has been extremely bad and prevalent across the powerscaling community for too many years now influencing people with false teachings. I would reject that stuff for sake of integrity and accuracy.
Next video: why master chief vs doomslayer oiled up twerk off isnt even close
Why does goku get anime and game lore and feats but Doom guy doesn’t get his comic feats
3:54 Immeasurable Speed just means having enough speed to travel through time via raw speed and we call this Immeasurable because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance over time and is actually way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left. in DOOM 2016 The Slayer's Testament VI describe the Doom Slayer a "Time Walker" who can travel through worlds and through time in the Lore.
Please do dante vs doomslayer
Dante wins
"JACKPOT!!!"
@xyklose8486 no demon could ever beat Doomslayer.
@Geozone117 brother humans in dmc are 9D as stated by the guides doomslayer is 5D💀
EVERY bring in dmc is conceptually on a higher plain
@@Geozone117 void mundus
Urizen
Mundus(base)
Pluto
Doomslayer has some better stats but he's largely outhaxxed. Loses to Dante with Royal Guard for sure
Awosome video man keep up the good work
Thanks! Will do!
I know I asked that already but I was wondering if you'd like to talk about a ygo gx character named Yubel. That character is interesting IMO because ygo is often an under estimated verse while it has some multiversal characters, characters who can cross galaxies in a few hours which makes them at least billions of times ftl. Reality warpers, mind manipulators etc ...
Even in the most recent anime there are some crazy feats like multiple galaxies crossed in some hours, planetary stuff, reality warping, pocket dimension, space-time alteration, time travel, possible time paradox immunity, possession, corruption, mind alteration, reality warping + mind alteration (to make people believe reality always worked that way), alteration of laws of physics etc ...
Yubel is possibly one of the strongest characters of ygo being multiversal, several octilions of times ftl (enough to cross the observable univers 80 millions of times per second), has tons of hax like extreme resistance to mind manipulation, acausality, conceptual existence, mid godly regen, reality warping (multiversal scale), mind manipulation that bypasses resistance to mind manipulation, soul manipulation, space manipulation, dimensional travel, teleportation (multiversal scale and it works on others as well), immunity to physical attacks, intangibility, pocket dimension creation etc ...
Goku would probably get tired fighting the Slayer. It’s a guy with infinite stamina vs a guy with impressive stamina. Slayer’s durability will definitely also play into it
Yeah, the stamina is a difficult thing to overcome in this battle, but I think Goku has it with his hacks/abilities.
@@Chuck great battle tho!!!
Bro goku got that stamina too tho, unless he gets critically injured he stays fighting
@@jearbear750 his stamina is nowhere near the slayer my guy. This man fought for millions of years nonstop without getting tired. Goku gets exhausted fighting for more than a few days. Goku had to eat, Slayer does not. Goku still has mortal weaknesses, Slayer is literally a reincarnation of the guy who created his multiverse.
this video is a goku fan magnet
give them a day and they'll start to flood in
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@@c.5978 how
It's basically like all characters vs. DBZ characters. If you take them at face value without any lore implications, they'll probably win unless its against someone who is extremely ridiculous.
Doomguys combat skill and combat IQ are so underrated. He fought demons in hell for literally BILLIONS of years and not all of those demons are mindless monsters btw. The prime example of this is the Marauder, former night sentinels that doomguy fought with back in argent d'nur turned into demons. The Marauders still retain their combat skill and memories from before they were demons (as evident in the gameplay and the Marauders introduction). And the Night Sentinels were some of the most skilled fighters in all of the DOOM universe. Doomguy would know absolutely every way to hurt or kill anything or anyone alike with nearly any sort of combat method you could think of.
you should do a video of the Doom Slayer vs DOOMSDAY The New King of Hell.
Doomslayer armor is litterally impenetrable not only that but he is manipulating fate by simply existing. Doomslayer wins, multipliers doesn't mean goku wins. And before you ask Doomslayer does have a way to get damage on goku as he also has durability nullification. DOOMSLAYER IS IMMORTAL! and i hate to say it but goku is a one trick pony all he can really do is punch doomslayer and use Kamehameha on him but that wouldn't even work with doomslayers armor, i respect the effort of the scale but jut because goku has multipliers doesn't mean he wins as at the end of the day Doomslayer has shit in his arsenal that goku simply can't deal with.
Yeah chuck is gonna get debunked real fast.
Bro you know nothing about Goku.
Heya Chuck, consider scaling the megami tensei verse. They're some of my favorites and insanely powerful, should make for interesting videos and honestly should be able to pit them vs insanely broken characters like lucifer Morningstar for example.
A brick layer isnt as strong as the wall he makes.
Why do people think creation equals creator has the same power as what it created?
Your example would only make sense if the character created it from their own life force. It's silly to think a character who literally created the fundamentals for existence itself wouldn't scale to it.
@@Chuckhe did it over time, not all at once. That's like saying you're city block because you can destroy an entire one for over the course of 5 years. You need to do it at a short amount of time or instantly.
The Khan's and demons can fly to, so can't use flight really as an advantage. And doom slayer has been fighting for eons, so idk who would have more battle iq
Yoo chuck, its been a while since ive seen on of he videos, still as good as ever if im being honest
Thank you for watching!
@@Chuck ignore my bad spelling right there 💀, the sun doesn’t help. But yea man, keep up the work!
Add that slayers armor only can be damaged by wright energy and that he tanks hits that destroys both the body and the soul on a basis (the armored baron).
Doom takes the power of every single thing he kills and is above lightspeed
Whenever someone mentions Arale I have to temporarily blind myself I swear
The only real problem is they use tech that uses their life essence or steals others life essence. Goku has a fuck ton of life essence, so much he doesn’t need tech. Yes I realize this is a super watered-down condensed version but essentially that is what it is.
Yea but I’ve never seen doomguy take that armor off and he has no problem living so maybe he’s just that immortal 😂
Pretty good vid 👏
Appreciate it
Damn how did I not know you made this
Another banger of a video
It depends really.
If it's just a normal day, then Goku probably has the win
But if Goku kills Doomguy's rabbit... there's nothing that can save him XD
Doom looks cooler than I thought it was. I didn't know there were other armor wearing maniacs in the verse
Consider trying megami tensei scaling. Those guys are nuts
99% sure that end of Z “he’s the strongest in the universe” was retconned
That’s the thing about dragon ball, it likes to step over itself and both confirms and denies, while doom kind of just adds on without retconning, so powerscaling Dragonball becomes a clusterfuck of manga pages, Anime frames, video games, and creator statements that sometimes conflict with each other, not saying it’s bad, it’s just powerscaling is a lot easier in doom compared to dragonball.
I'd like to suggest a possible 5-7 way brawl of armored figures 😁 A brawl between the following:
- Guyver-I (with his Gigantic upgrade)
- Kamen Rider
- Blue Beetle
- Iron Man
- Witchblade (Sara or Masane doesn't matter)
- one of the VR-Troopers
AND
- the strongest/powerful of the Power Rangers.
I'd add DOOM-Slayer, but he would be over kill 😂
another Chuck HOOD CLASIC video 🙏
I think this is my new Well done T-Bone Steak
A point to make in terms of experience levels is that the Doom Slayer reliably has a massive advantage with BIQ since he's never stopped fighting, and has been fighting for eons within Hell, which is theorized to be billions of years in that time even though it works differently in Hell. Just as well, and this is more of an observation comparison toward a different verse than the two in this comparison, but Doom's Hell seems like DMC's Hell with the way that it is explained, being an immeasurably infinite void of consumption upon an unknown scale, I feel like even within a base to base combat without considering their highs that it might be even.
Another point as I figured out is that at any point he can quadruplicate his damage, in lore, not just by comparing game mechanics, which seems pretty large for the character overall, especially since he actively nerfs himself with the use of guns and other weapons, which he is actively amplifying/upgrading any weapon in his hand just by using it.
I find it funny that doomguy (not doomslayer) loses to master chief some how. I'm sorry if you a person have been fighting demons that are said to be so damn strong and there a few demons that can destroy cities not counting bosses that can do much worse. I think you would be very damn tough to kill. even if your not as powerful as doomslayer. I don't care how much of a master chief fan they are. he well still have a hard time fighting someone that fights beings that are worse than the aliens he faced.
@@rickydiscord7671Ngl doomguy ( not doomslayer) is pretty op like 4th dimensional by him scaling above the valdregar and the dreamers who dreams extradimensional realms and elder gods, and him scailing above elder gods that are beyond human comprehension and having sizes that are endless, or him killing the cyberdemon knowing the cyberdemon resisted blows from the soul cube knowing the soul cube rivals beings that are transcended to space and time
Do people actually debate this
It's stated in the lore if he has the WILL he WILL win
Maybe a powerscaling video on TES would be interesting.
People sleep on that verse's power or either wank it too much with dubious information that is pretty much headcanon.
Everyone talking about “doom slayer is strong because of his guns” little do they know he uses guns because he wants to torture the demons stating it would end too quick if he used his hands. (His theme is literally names “the only thing they fear is you”)
Great video chuck ✨,at their mid end scaling both super Goku and doomslayer are complex multiversal or 7d with immeasurable speed but i do think doomslayer would possibly win due to stamina with high diff but not say goku would not win, heroes Goku is comfortable in the high hyperversal tier even without the Arale scaling, but although the using Arale is still reasonable, it's just some are still trying to wrap their minds on how broken the dr slump cosmology is, many don't even know about dr slump.
So using the high ends, Goku would most likely win, due to heroes cosmology being more impressive than that of the doomverse, due to the fact that each universe in main line dragon ball super has super dimensions and they are infinite numbers of super dimensions due to infinite number of timelines and multiverse and meta fictional trancendance, demigra had to trancendend dimensions to acess beats world meaning a considerable amount of higher geometrical dimensions.
goku farts and doomguy gets hakai'd, non-starter
A NEAT IDEA FOR A VIDEO WOULD BE TO SCALE MASTER WU AND THE GOLDEN WEAPONS!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice vid, lets hope doomguy gets amp in the next game, so he can compete with the big dogs
In the novelization of the dbs broly movie when gogeta and broly were fighting they went to a super dimensional realm and shattered it. So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions =Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions That's what we get.
Lmao
Goku in heros is crazy
chat the doomsayers power grows depending on the opponent so no matter how powerful his opponent is he will always be stronger, also he's basically the living embodiment of "I'm just better"
There is a ability that doomslayer has which is overlooked which is manipulating and destruction of the essence, the essence is the force that governs all living beings said that it encompasses the mind, will, intelligence, emotions, soul, abilities and the essential natures of the consciousness. And the essence is also something that governs reality because in the doom verse hell is a living thing and a extension of devoth's power , and urdak by the many souls it has thats considered a living thing as well,
theres also a statment saying that argent energy is beyond traditional science and unrestricted by dimensionally bound contemplation. These are just some things that you missed or things that i saw from the codex. Btw w vid
chuck. great.
The DoomSlayer wins no question hands down. Due to two main factors. One is the fact that his power will always raise to the level he needs to win, his power will always match his will, basically “willpower” if you will,… lol. The second thing is his age. It is said in the game lore that he entered hell to fight them on their own turf and to also make sure that no more hell portals could be opened again. The time period that he spent I. Hell could be billions of years to just millions, it could have been even longer. All that time when he was in hell, he was in constant combat and every demon he slayed only empowered him even more. So his battle IQ would be way higher than Goku simply based on the amount of time that he spent in hell fighting the demons. In the codex’s entries this two things are easily found from either Doom 2016 and/or Doom Eternal. There are many other factors to consider when looking at the potential power of the DoomSlayer and scaling him hypothetically against other fictional characters. Really the DoomSlayer cannot be reliably power scaled in his own reality let alone in comparison to another fictional reality, because the makers of his story and game have never really mentioned any limits to his power, that is if there are any. Also, in regards to his battle IQ and the amount of time he has spent fighting hell, his godly biological functions or lack there of need to be mentioned. Because the DoomSlayer does not have limitations like Goku does like eating, sleeping, drinking, dedicating, breathing, and basically anything else we human beings have to do in order to maintain our existence the DoomSlayer does not have to partake in. This fact means that not only was he in hell fighting for potentially millions or billions of years, but that the time spent in hell would have all been dedicated to fighting as the DoomSlayer has no downtime. I love Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball Super, and even Dragonball GT. I also like the Doom games and I have been playing Doom since the original shareware release of the first episode and I was following the story of Dragonball before Doom was even made. So I am not playing favourites here I am simply stating the facts that are provided from both fictional universes via the accompanying media releases related to both franchises. Goku would definitely solo most other fictional universes but the DoomSlayer would actually solo all. The DoomSlayer has been built up by the lore to basically be the most powerful being that was ever created and he also beat his own creator, whose power was also flowing through his body. They have made the DoomSlayer to be the embodiment of a power fantasy and as of right now like I have said previously his has no limits to his power until the creators decide if he has any or not. But just looking at the text during the start of the new Doom game The Dark Ages, I doubt this trend with the creators not assigning him any limits will remain. Correct me if I am wrong but it states in that early text before he was a hero, he was the super weapon of kings and gods, and I believe this new game will show the heights of his power much more than the last two recent titles have. I will always say that the DoomSlayer wins right up until the creators actually assign some limitations to him. As for the ending of Doom Eternal The Ancient Gods Part 2 where he collapses after destroying the Dark Lord’s physical form and is then placed into a box again, that is the only time that I am aware of where his lore demonstrates any weakness of his. With that all said, due to the nature of how they left the ending of that story open ended, we do not know yet for sure if this is a permanent power loss for the DoomSlayer or if he will retain his power once he mentally and physically gets used to not being biologically connected to the creator of the Doom fictional multiverse. I cannot wait for the new game. Cheers all!!! 🎉🎉🎉
Great job chuck I agree with you on that doomslayer would win due to his feats and cosmology but I feel with gokus flight capability he could try to maneuver around but I wonder how a composite goku would fair and keep up the amazing work
Please do how strong is archie sonic
you can build a house. you're not house level.
You would be house level if you beat someone who made it through their own lifeforce.
@@Chuck We would need to specify what making something with lifeforce means. Your own physical effort when building the house could be considered lifeforce. We would also need the timeframe, and the exact creation method. Only then we could determine.
Nah, the physical work you put into it would not be the same thing as creating something from your own power. There's no timeframe. The realm is beyond timespace and unlimited by dimensions. No matter what way you try to downplay it, Dark Lord would scale to it because the dimension is part of him.