The statement you showed literally has nothing to do with uncountable alephs its just talking about the boundaries in-between dimensions or the dimensions themselves in the cosmology 💀💀💀💀
The one problem with this discussion is that Doomslayer has no feats showing the limits of his strength and power. It's like trying to scale Saitama. We know the feats of his opponents. But was Doomslayer using 10% of his power? 1%? Less than that? Sure, we as players struggle in game, but canonnically, Doomslayer isn't even trying. In the lore, he effortlessly tears through every obstacle placed before him with no difficulty.
Pretty sure that the divinity machine explicitly made sure that he wins literally every obstacle he’s put against. He only went into slumber when he was no longer needed, i.e. no threat present. If Goku and the saiyans pose a threat, divinity machine hack would outline the slayer to be vicarious.
Doomslayer safely Gets to 5D The hyperversal stuff is debatable because there are times where they use dimensions and universes as the same thing But Great video Dude
@@S_Scalingdoom guy and super Goku are complex multiversal, manga Goku is possibly low hyperversal,xeno Goku and cc Goku are high hyperversal to possibly low outerversal
So the Doomslayer can decisively beat both Kratos and Goku.... but "officially" still loses to Master Chief? You probably know what I'm talking about...😒
A fight between the two,doomguy isnt just gonna let him powerup and scream..hes just gonna show no mercy and kill Goku on the spot upon seeing him..hes the doom guy
@@YungBZ Some certainly, but "a lot" doubt it Most of them are too busy writing an essay on how doomguy is the best character in video game history and the most powerful and multi-outerversal (despite all of his power he can't bring their dads back from the milk) and how somehow that adds on their previous (dubious) claim of best character
The hyperversal and outerversal stuff for doomguy is more dubious. He should really be at an infinite 6d level. Greats vid btw, keep it up dude Also i have a match-up suggestion between john Wick and tyler rake
I literally played both Doom games. The man doesn't do anything more than any other fps protagonist. You guys are literally insane and is why I hate power scalers so much. What a cancerous community
3:54 Immeasurable Speed just means having enough speed to travel through time via raw speed and we call this Immeasurable because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance over time and is actually way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left. in DOOM 2016 The Slayer's Testament VI describe the Doom Slayer a "Time Walker" who can travel through worlds and through time in the Lore.
Out of all fictional opponents in video games and anime, this is probably the most fair matchup against Goku. Doomslayer is really fucking strong when looking at his feats. So imo, this is a 50/50 matchup
@@draco_1876 No Goku is overrated given how almost all power scales eventually compare X character to goku. Doomslayer is still relatively new to the scene of power scaling technically
@@DarthNox66 So you mean Doom 3? That's the only version that seems to be retconned. Cause this Doomslayer is also doomguy, THE doomguy, so he's the one from Doom 1, 2, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Doom Eternal for the timeline
Say what, in lore we never see doomslayer struggling, hes infininite speed or beyond, his power is infinite bcs it scales with his will power same as his durability and speed. And its said that he will never lose to anyone bcs his power aleays be more than enough to fuck anyone up.
Hell being stated to be blatantly beyond time, space, and infinite dimensions is baseline outer. Considering Hell is an extension of Davoths own power, Doomslayer would pretty much one shot Goku like an ordinary Imp (if we used the current DBS Goku that is) since Doomslayer had the power to contend with & defeat Davoth
Well, even the Maykrs are unbound by space, which would make Urdak baseline outerversal. If they couldn’t see hell fullly, that means that he’ll transcend over them, finally making hell normal outerversal.
Honestly these two can pretty much be scaled anywhere and there’s people who’d agree or disagree, though I am gonna ask, does Doomguy have any impressive skill feats/training, I partially wonder because despite everything Goku has, those are still incredibly important parts of the character, so I like it when debates involving him can include that part of him.
He was trained as a space marine. After annihilating three separate demon invasions alone he goes into hell and fights for an unknown amount of time. While in hell, he fought nonstop until he was discovered by the night sentinels. The night sentinels threw him in the coliseum and judged that he was too strong to be wasted in the coliseum. He was then made the first foreign night sentinel and trained in their ways. He became the best night sentinel and led them until Argent D'Nur fell to hell. He then spent billions of years in hell fighting nonstop. From there he's imprisoned in the sarcophagus and the events of DOOM 4 begin. His training isn't that notable, but I would still say his fighting skill and technique are probably quite good. Billions of years of experience fighting would probably teach you how to fight better than any mentor could. I don't think he has any particularly impressive skill feats other than his ability to immediately understand foreign technology and weaponry. There hasn't been any shown skill that he hasn't been proficient in. He's basically succeeded at everything with no apparent difficulty since the start of the series. In terms of his fighting skill, there haven't been much in terms of details. All we really know about his style is that he's extremely aggressive and proficient with both ranged and melee combat. I don't think his skills are lacking compared to Goku, but he probably has fewer techniques and tricks at his disposal.
@@crabhater9373adding to that doomslayer fought in the arena eternal against gladiators and warrior's from different dimensions ( btw quake is cannon)
@@draco_1876 Hugo Martin confirmed Doom Slayer empowers his weapons, not only that, Hugo Martin confirms a lot of lore statements never shown in the game itself. You gotta remember DOOM is an FPS game, and there's a lot of things Hugo Martin wanted to implement to the game but cannot due to development issues because of the pandemic.
Xeno Goku Can use every ability via r>f or expand partner customisation If we include all of his hax that just be over kill As he can just summon beings like mechikabool(can bend reality it self at will) Arale(insane gag power) Zeno(idk but grand priest refers him as omnipotence) Vegeta(on par with Goku power) Super shenron(wishing power with no bounds) True from tokitoki(basically a god god of time Creator of history Controller of fate etc) Or any other characters that exist in sdbh Plus he has multiple layers of immortality via zamasu immortality Being able to bring himself back from the dead Having auto recovery etc
Doomguy killed GOD OF THE MULTIVERSE with no signs of struggle or sweat while using guns If that doesn't tell you he solos idk what does man (doesn't need any forms too) Like imagine he starts smiling and dropping his guns 💀
The only real problem is they use tech that uses their life essence or steals others life essence. Goku has a fuck ton of life essence, so much he doesn’t need tech. Yes I realize this is a super watered-down condensed version but essentially that is what it is.
Your example would only make sense if the character created it from their own life force. It's silly to think a character who literally created the fundamentals for existence itself wouldn't scale to it.
@@Chuckhe did it over time, not all at once. That's like saying you're city block because you can destroy an entire one for over the course of 5 years. You need to do it at a short amount of time or instantly.
@@Chuck We would need to specify what making something with lifeforce means. Your own physical effort when building the house could be considered lifeforce. We would also need the timeframe, and the exact creation method. Only then we could determine.
Nah, the physical work you put into it would not be the same thing as creating something from your own power. There's no timeframe. The realm is beyond timespace and unlimited by dimensions. No matter what way you try to downplay it, Dark Lord would scale to it because the dimension is part of him.
Doom slayer can kill any demon in fiction you're demon that wants to fight with the great one doom slayer. You will die un first three seconds of the fight (brutally)
The Khan's and demons can fly to, so can't use flight really as an advantage. And doom slayer has been fighting for eons, so idk who would have more battle iq
As someone who has a strong understanding of how the law of physics and space time works, there's is absolutely zero chance that Doomslayer or Doom guy could ever defeat Goku. It's simply not possible. Goku has the power to literally manipulate space time with ease and has proven this on a number of occasions. Doom guy fights in a realm where these laws do not apply. This is why Doom guy has been able to defeat entities that can manipulate these laws because those entities are not able to utilize their power in a realm that isn't bound or confined by such laws as it doesn't exist there. Even with Doom guy's God armor and his experience in combat against demons and creatures with unmeasurable power, all of those creatures would literally be decimated by Goku in an instant if they were to fight in a realm where space time laws exist. If Doom guy was to fight Goku in such a realm like Earth, he would be destroyed in seconds by an entity as powerful as Goku. This isn't theoretical but factual as Goku has the power to destroy planets and universes through his ability of releasing raw energy, which is something Doom guy cannot do.
Heya Chuck, consider scaling the megami tensei verse. They're some of my favorites and insanely powerful, should make for interesting videos and honestly should be able to pit them vs insanely broken characters like lucifer Morningstar for example.
In the novelization of the dbs broly movie when gogeta and broly were fighting they went to a super dimensional realm and shattered it. So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions =Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions That's what we get.
@@mad-myths I don’t really know Wukong. But the thing is that Doomslayer was designed by the writers to be limitless in basically anything, he will always be strong enough to surpass his opponents, that’s why there’s no piece of media were we see Doomslayer reaching the level limit to accomplish a feat. Really, everything he does in the games is like a walk in the park lore wise, like he doesn’t struggle the least of bit. So seeing how powerful he is and knowing that this is only a fraction of what he can achieve. So truly the limits of his power, in the end, really is the human mind.
@@Carlos_cheh While the Doom Slayer is portrayed as incredibly powerful, especially with his vast array of weapons, armor, and superhuman feats, his power isn't truly limitless. The Doom Slayer's strength comes from a combination of factors: his Argent-fueled Praetor suit, his mastery of advanced weaponry, and his sheer willpower. However, he's still shown to take damage, and there are limits to how much punishment he can withstand, as seen in gameplay and some aspects of the lore. Even with his demonic enhancements and relentless fury, the Doom Slayer is not invincible. He requires health and armor pickups in-game, and lore-wise, he can be trapped or overwhelmed under specific circumstances.
I know I asked that already but I was wondering if you'd like to talk about a ygo gx character named Yubel. That character is interesting IMO because ygo is often an under estimated verse while it has some multiversal characters, characters who can cross galaxies in a few hours which makes them at least billions of times ftl. Reality warpers, mind manipulators etc ... Even in the most recent anime there are some crazy feats like multiple galaxies crossed in some hours, planetary stuff, reality warping, pocket dimension, space-time alteration, time travel, possible time paradox immunity, possession, corruption, mind alteration, reality warping + mind alteration (to make people believe reality always worked that way), alteration of laws of physics etc ... Yubel is possibly one of the strongest characters of ygo being multiversal, several octilions of times ftl (enough to cross the observable univers 80 millions of times per second), has tons of hax like extreme resistance to mind manipulation, acausality, conceptual existence, mid godly regen, reality warping (multiversal scale), mind manipulation that bypasses resistance to mind manipulation, soul manipulation, space manipulation, dimensional travel, teleportation (multiversal scale and it works on others as well), immunity to physical attacks, intangibility, pocket dimension creation etc ...
Doom Slayer gets stronger every time he kills something and also when he kills demons ammo just pops out of them that's a real ability he has I'm assuming when he punches them something happens with the molecules that just turns their molecules into ammo Doom is confusing
I'd like to suggest a possible 5-7 way brawl of armored figures 😁 A brawl between the following: - Guyver-I (with his Gigantic upgrade) - Kamen Rider - Blue Beetle - Iron Man - Witchblade (Sara or Masane doesn't matter) - one of the VR-Troopers AND - the strongest/powerful of the Power Rangers. I'd add DOOM-Slayer, but he would be over kill 😂
The DoomSlayer wins no question hands down. Due to two main factors. One is the fact that his power will always raise to the level he needs to win, his power will always match his will, basically “willpower” if you will,… lol. The second thing is his age. It is said in the game lore that he entered hell to fight them on their own turf and to also make sure that no more hell portals could be opened again. The time period that he spent I. Hell could be billions of years to just millions, it could have been even longer. All that time when he was in hell, he was in constant combat and every demon he slayed only empowered him even more. So his battle IQ would be way higher than Goku simply based on the amount of time that he spent in hell fighting the demons. In the codex’s entries this two things are easily found from either Doom 2016 and/or Doom Eternal. There are many other factors to consider when looking at the potential power of the DoomSlayer and scaling him hypothetically against other fictional characters. Really the DoomSlayer cannot be reliably power scaled in his own reality let alone in comparison to another fictional reality, because the makers of his story and game have never really mentioned any limits to his power, that is if there are any. Also, in regards to his battle IQ and the amount of time he has spent fighting hell, his godly biological functions or lack there of need to be mentioned. Because the DoomSlayer does not have limitations like Goku does like eating, sleeping, drinking, dedicating, breathing, and basically anything else we human beings have to do in order to maintain our existence the DoomSlayer does not have to partake in. This fact means that not only was he in hell fighting for potentially millions or billions of years, but that the time spent in hell would have all been dedicated to fighting as the DoomSlayer has no downtime. I love Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball Super, and even Dragonball GT. I also like the Doom games and I have been playing Doom since the original shareware release of the first episode and I was following the story of Dragonball before Doom was even made. So I am not playing favourites here I am simply stating the facts that are provided from both fictional universes via the accompanying media releases related to both franchises. Goku would definitely solo most other fictional universes but the DoomSlayer would actually solo all. The DoomSlayer has been built up by the lore to basically be the most powerful being that was ever created and he also beat his own creator, whose power was also flowing through his body. They have made the DoomSlayer to be the embodiment of a power fantasy and as of right now like I have said previously his has no limits to his power until the creators decide if he has any or not. But just looking at the text during the start of the new Doom game The Dark Ages, I doubt this trend with the creators not assigning him any limits will remain. Correct me if I am wrong but it states in that early text before he was a hero, he was the super weapon of kings and gods, and I believe this new game will show the heights of his power much more than the last two recent titles have. I will always say that the DoomSlayer wins right up until the creators actually assign some limitations to him. As for the ending of Doom Eternal The Ancient Gods Part 2 where he collapses after destroying the Dark Lord’s physical form and is then placed into a box again, that is the only time that I am aware of where his lore demonstrates any weakness of his. With that all said, due to the nature of how they left the ending of that story open ended, we do not know yet for sure if this is a permanent power loss for the DoomSlayer or if he will retain his power once he mentally and physically gets used to not being biologically connected to the creator of the Doom fictional multiverse. I cannot wait for the new game. Cheers all!!! 🎉🎉🎉
There is a ability that doomslayer has which is overlooked which is manipulating and destruction of the essence, the essence is the force that governs all living beings said that it encompasses the mind, will, intelligence, emotions, soul, abilities and the essential natures of the consciousness. And the essence is also something that governs reality because in the doom verse hell is a living thing and a extension of devoth's power , and urdak by the many souls it has thats considered a living thing as well, theres also a statment saying that argent energy is beyond traditional science and unrestricted by dimensionally bound contemplation. These are just some things that you missed or things that i saw from the codex. Btw w vid
A point to make in terms of experience levels is that the Doom Slayer reliably has a massive advantage with BIQ since he's never stopped fighting, and has been fighting for eons within Hell, which is theorized to be billions of years in that time even though it works differently in Hell. Just as well, and this is more of an observation comparison toward a different verse than the two in this comparison, but Doom's Hell seems like DMC's Hell with the way that it is explained, being an immeasurably infinite void of consumption upon an unknown scale, I feel like even within a base to base combat without considering their highs that it might be even. Another point as I figured out is that at any point he can quadruplicate his damage, in lore, not just by comparing game mechanics, which seems pretty large for the character overall, especially since he actively nerfs himself with the use of guns and other weapons, which he is actively amplifying/upgrading any weapon in his hand just by using it.
I find it funny that doomguy (not doomslayer) loses to master chief some how. I'm sorry if you a person have been fighting demons that are said to be so damn strong and there a few demons that can destroy cities not counting bosses that can do much worse. I think you would be very damn tough to kill. even if your not as powerful as doomslayer. I don't care how much of a master chief fan they are. he well still have a hard time fighting someone that fights beings that are worse than the aliens he faced.
@@rickydiscord7671Ngl doomguy ( not doomslayer) is pretty op like 4th dimensional by him scaling above the valdregar and the dreamers who dreams extradimensional realms and elder gods, and him scailing above elder gods that are beyond human comprehension and having sizes that are endless, or him killing the cyberdemon knowing the cyberdemon resisted blows from the soul cube knowing the soul cube rivals beings that are transcended to space and time
People think Doomslayer can beat Goku? I guess some people are more mentally ill than I thought, because that is fucking bonkers. Until someone proves that Doomslayer can even react to Goku in Base Form, fight at inaccessible speed, or casually fight at FTL speed (two of these things which Goku can do just after the end of the Freeza saga alone), I'm saying Goku takes it. People just need to stop trying. I don't give a fuck what feats Doomslayer has, Goku is simply too durable and fast. Being immortal doesn't mean you can't get your shit rocked, and considering Goku's one of the good guys I can't possibly see how the Doomslayer could stay angry enough at him to literally be punching the air for all eternity thanks to how slow he is compared to Goku.
The Doomslayer has been infinitely enraged for a while. I think if Goku got in the slayer’s way, he’d be angry enough. Plus, even if goku was faster than the Doomslayer, which he isn’t, the slayer fought a god and easily dodged that gods attacks, the Doomslayer’s armor is canonically impenetrable, and unbreakable. It can’t be pierced by anything. And even if goku deleted him from the universe or whatever the fuck, there’s several statements in doom lore that the Doomslayer exists in every universe of the doom multiverse, and that he is incapable of death. The Doomslayer could rip goku apart with his bare hands. We don’t even see the slayer’s full power in the games. He’s probably not even trying. He killed Davoth, creator of the doom multiverse, with ease, not even getting a scratch on him. His power matches his rage, and his rage is infinite and never stops, so if Goku ever got into a combat encounter with the slayer, he’d be fucked, undoubtedly
Why must every character have Immeasurable speed? Why not inaccessible and irreverent speed instead of overscaling things to Immeasurable all the time?
@@thorshammer7883 Nope immeasurable speed = Movement beyond linear time Irrelevant speed = speed that transcends the concept of speed and defy the concept of distance altogether
logically if they get put in the same universe and given a bit to learn, doom could learn all of the techniques used by goku so theres no stopping him then
Great job chuck I agree with you on that doomslayer would win due to his feats and cosmology but I feel with gokus flight capability he could try to maneuver around but I wonder how a composite goku would fair and keep up the amazing work
It depends really. If it's just a normal day, then Goku probably has the win But if Goku kills Doomguy's rabbit... there's nothing that can save him XD
I remember someone said in one of the heroes games that goku at one point absorbed tori bots authors command powers and basically gains authority over his own story but i cant find the source for it. If its true how far do you think it scales him since it would put him above arale which tori bot wrote?
A part of me wants you to compare the book series Demonata vs The Doom Slayer. However I know this isn’t a book channel so I know it’ll never happen. 😂
I find it kind of wierd hiw you can argue hell to be high outerversal but have doomguy who can casually stomp the being who created it to be only baseline outer at best. I even think having him at 7d is a colossal low ball as the icon ove sin can easily be scaled to that since he could passivle corrupt urdak and was beyond the makyrs control without the mortal soul of valens son
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Hey when you cover sonic the hedgehog
Could yo do Goku vs Doctor strange?
The statement you showed literally has nothing to do with uncountable alephs its just talking about the boundaries in-between dimensions or the dimensions themselves in the cosmology 💀💀💀💀
I think Doomslayer vs Spawn would be a good fight
Have you considered pitting Apocalypse from Marvel Comics against Goku?
The one problem with this discussion is that Doomslayer has no feats showing the limits of his strength and power. It's like trying to scale Saitama. We know the feats of his opponents. But was Doomslayer using 10% of his power? 1%? Less than that? Sure, we as players struggle in game, but canonnically, Doomslayer isn't even trying. In the lore, he effortlessly tears through every obstacle placed before him with no difficulty.
This perfectly explains my problem.
Pretty sure that the divinity machine explicitly made sure that he wins literally every obstacle he’s put against. He only went into slumber when he was no longer needed, i.e. no threat present. If Goku and the saiyans pose a threat, divinity machine hack would outline the slayer to be vicarious.
That's why we just say he has Immeasurable strength and call it a day
Saitama used full strength against Garou so L comparison
@@astreusastresus198 Saitama used one hand that entire fight while mocking Garou bro was definitely not using full strength
Doom slayer only using guns to make it fair for his enemy
The Doom Slayer is a Primeval that can also empower his guns by using the Quad Damage/Onslaught Power Up as stated by Hugo Martin.
Still. But as we all know if he touches something with lethal intent they will basically pop 😂@@MrLim-wq2gn
hes basically on constant berserk mode if talking in a game sense
@@boogrs55 and everything is in constant "Oh fuck" mode
You know he is op when you select how hard it is the easiest I too young to die💀
Finally, worthy opponents for Handsome Squidward. Maybe if they team up they can beat him.
"Nah, we'd win"
Only Kirby could be a challenge to that monstrosity
Nah, handsome squidward would neg them
Same person 😂@@minichad5456
Shaggy no concept of difs all three with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
Doomslayer safely Gets to 5D
The hyperversal stuff is debatable because there are times where they use dimensions and universes as the same thing
But Great video Dude
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I mean anime Goku is multiversal but everything else he said is cap@@Or-igi_nal_hex
Doom slayer is 7D
@@S_Scalingdoom guy and super Goku are complex multiversal, manga Goku is possibly low hyperversal,xeno Goku and cc Goku are high hyperversal to possibly low outerversal
Doomguy safeley gets to 7d bare minimum. Goku also gets there with some scaling too either way both are above 5D
Finally! Another proper vs discussion featuring Goku from Chuck.
And, it features Doomguy! Lit.
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck you’re welcome and keep up the good work.
I'll take Doom/Doomslayer content ANYDAY: Thanks, Chuck!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for another vid Chuck!
You bet!
Ive gotta go Slayer basically regardless of the circumstance, good vid.
Thank you!
So the Doomslayer can decisively beat both Kratos and Goku.... but "officially" still loses to Master Chief?
You probably know what I'm talking about...😒
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To be fair that before 2016 and old doom was just a shoter
A fight between the two,doomguy isnt just gonna let him powerup and scream..hes just gonna show no mercy and kill Goku on the spot upon seeing him..hes the doom guy
We are in a odd situation
Doom slayer is unstoppable as long as humanity exists
Doom slayer is the protector of humanity
Still a lovecraft victim
@@dc7981That’s not fair💀
If you go of statements and interpret them to your liking, Kirby is an infinitely powerful being that exists in all dimensions
Of course DoomGuy wins.
40k fanboy vs Doom fanboy who weighs the most
@@me67galaxylife40k bro that’s not even close
@@me67galaxylifethere’s a lot of doom fans who listen to themes in the gym I doubt 40k fans understand the concept of light,sun and grass
@@atomsmasher9279 well by numbers true, but what about individually
@@YungBZ Some certainly, but "a lot" doubt it
Most of them are too busy writing an essay on how doomguy is the best character in video game history and the most powerful and multi-outerversal (despite all of his power he can't bring their dads back from the milk) and how somehow that adds on their previous (dubious) claim of best character
The hyperversal and outerversal stuff for doomguy is more dubious. He should really be at an infinite 6d level. Greats vid btw, keep it up dude
Also i have a match-up suggestion between john Wick and tyler rake
Infinite 6D or Infinite 7D is fine Outerversal is contentious hes either 7D or Low Outer.
I literally played both Doom games. The man doesn't do anything more than any other fps protagonist. You guys are literally insane and is why I hate power scalers so much. What a cancerous community
3:54 Immeasurable Speed just means having enough speed to travel through time via raw speed and we call this Immeasurable because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance over time and is actually way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left. in DOOM 2016 The Slayer's Testament VI describe the Doom Slayer a "Time Walker" who can travel through worlds and through time in the Lore.
Out of all fictional opponents in video games and anime, this is probably the most fair matchup against Goku. Doomslayer is really fucking strong when looking at his feats. So imo, this is a 50/50 matchup
Doomslayer is overrated
@@draco_1876 No Goku is overrated given how almost all power scales eventually compare X character to goku. Doomslayer is still relatively new to the scene of power scaling technically
@@kelmirosue3251 His retconned version
@@DarthNox66 So you mean Doom 3? That's the only version that seems to be retconned. Cause this Doomslayer is also doomguy, THE doomguy, so he's the one from Doom 1, 2, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Doom Eternal for the timeline
@@kelmirosue3251 Where did you got that he is Doomguy
Waited like 13 hours for this shit, haven’t slept.
And I still somehow missed it by an hour.
One does not simply defeat the slayer
Yeah, with anything less than the Doom Slayer's highest ends Goku wins but the victory is far from simple.
Say what, in lore we never see doomslayer struggling, hes infininite speed or beyond, his power is infinite bcs it scales with his will power same as his durability and speed. And its said that he will never lose to anyone bcs his power aleays be more than enough to fuck anyone up.
I like to see your take on Mario vs sonic.
Hell being stated to be blatantly beyond time, space, and infinite dimensions is baseline outer. Considering Hell is an extension of Davoths own power, Doomslayer would pretty much one shot Goku like an ordinary Imp (if we used the current DBS Goku that is) since Doomslayer had the power to contend with & defeat Davoth
Well, even the Maykrs are unbound by space, which would make Urdak baseline outerversal. If they couldn’t see hell fullly, that means that he’ll transcend over them, finally making hell normal outerversal.
@juanjoyaborja.3054 being unbound by space and time isn't outerveral. You need to transcend the very concept of space and time, not just be above it.
@@joshuaaboo4767 isn't that just the same thing?
@@joshuaaboo4767 isn't transcending something being above it?
No lmao
Honestly these two can pretty much be scaled anywhere and there’s people who’d agree or disagree, though I am gonna ask, does Doomguy have any impressive skill feats/training, I partially wonder because despite everything Goku has, those are still incredibly important parts of the character, so I like it when debates involving him can include that part of him.
He was the best among the Night Sentinels who protected the king and they would be tasked with fighting demons.
He was trained as a space marine. After annihilating three separate demon invasions alone he goes into hell and fights for an unknown amount of time. While in hell, he fought nonstop until he was discovered by the night sentinels. The night sentinels threw him in the coliseum and judged that he was too strong to be wasted in the coliseum. He was then made the first foreign night sentinel and trained in their ways. He became the best night sentinel and led them until Argent D'Nur fell to hell. He then spent billions of years in hell fighting nonstop. From there he's imprisoned in the sarcophagus and the events of DOOM 4 begin. His training isn't that notable, but I would still say his fighting skill and technique are probably quite good. Billions of years of experience fighting would probably teach you how to fight better than any mentor could. I don't think he has any particularly impressive skill feats other than his ability to immediately understand foreign technology and weaponry. There hasn't been any shown skill that he hasn't been proficient in. He's basically succeeded at everything with no apparent difficulty since the start of the series. In terms of his fighting skill, there haven't been much in terms of details. All we really know about his style is that he's extremely aggressive and proficient with both ranged and melee combat. I don't think his skills are lacking compared to Goku, but he probably has fewer techniques and tricks at his disposal.
I mean idk about training but he's been in hell for billions of years
@@crabhater9373adding to that doomslayer fought in the arena eternal against gladiators and warrior's from different dimensions ( btw quake is cannon)
goku farts and doomguy gets hakai'd, non-starter
There's a scaling for DOOM, at least high hyper for a single multiverse. If you'd like, I could send it to you.
He’s not tho
He literally used human weapons. Hugo Martin himself admitted the games showcase his power
@@draco_1876 Hugo Martin confirmed Doom Slayer empowers his weapons, not only that, Hugo Martin confirms a lot of lore statements never shown in the game itself. You gotta remember DOOM is an FPS game, and there's a lot of things Hugo Martin wanted to implement to the game but cannot due to development issues because of the pandemic.
Doomslayer i feel is downplayed by many people so thank you for doing this
ITS CHUCK O CLOCK!!
LOL I always wanted to say that in one of your videos 😂
yoooo new Chuck video , Hype
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck thanks for making the video
The power to match his will given to someone who is literly rage incarnated, i think that explains itself
Dope shit chuck, gon listen to this while working.
Xeno Goku
Can use every ability via r>f or expand partner customisation
If we include all of his hax that just be over kill
As he can just summon beings like mechikabool(can bend reality it self at will)
Arale(insane gag power)
Zeno(idk but grand priest refers him as omnipotence)
Vegeta(on par with Goku power)
Super shenron(wishing power with no bounds)
True from tokitoki(basically a god god of time
Creator of history
Controller of fate etc)
Or any other characters that exist in sdbh
Plus he has multiple layers of immortality via zamasu immortality
Being able to bring himself back from the dead
Having auto recovery etc
Doomguy killed GOD OF THE MULTIVERSE with no signs of struggle or sweat while using guns
If that doesn't tell you he solos idk what does man (doesn't need any forms too)
Like imagine he starts smiling and dropping his guns 💀
"The godly Saiyan with a million hairstyles" 🤣 Not wrong.
Why does goku get anime and game lore and feats but Doom guy doesn’t get his comic feats
Too angry to die.
Like what you been doing with adding the characters variations as well to the 1v1s 🤩
Hell yeah Chuck droppin that knowledge with a savage vid
The only real problem is they use tech that uses their life essence or steals others life essence. Goku has a fuck ton of life essence, so much he doesn’t need tech. Yes I realize this is a super watered-down condensed version but essentially that is what it is.
no no no, Doom guy didn't kill just any god, he killed THE god, the one who created creation.
Next video: why master chief vs doomslayer oiled up twerk off isnt even close
It's stated in the lore if he has the WILL he WILL win
A brick layer isnt as strong as the wall he makes.
Why do people think creation equals creator has the same power as what it created?
Your example would only make sense if the character created it from their own life force. It's silly to think a character who literally created the fundamentals for existence itself wouldn't scale to it.
@@Chuckhe did it over time, not all at once. That's like saying you're city block because you can destroy an entire one for over the course of 5 years. You need to do it at a short amount of time or instantly.
Great video, you been cooking!
You already know!
Chuck: leaves for a few months and returns with absolute BANGERS!
you can build a house. you're not house level.
You would be house level if you beat someone who made it through their own lifeforce.
@@Chuck We would need to specify what making something with lifeforce means. Your own physical effort when building the house could be considered lifeforce. We would also need the timeframe, and the exact creation method. Only then we could determine.
Nah, the physical work you put into it would not be the same thing as creating something from your own power. There's no timeframe. The realm is beyond timespace and unlimited by dimensions. No matter what way you try to downplay it, Dark Lord would scale to it because the dimension is part of him.
you should do a video of the Doom Slayer vs DOOMSDAY The New King of Hell.
Doom slayer can kill any demon in fiction you're demon that wants to fight with the great one doom slayer. You will die un first three seconds of the fight (brutally)
The problem is Goku isnt a demon
I think doom slayer nearly imploded a multiverse from battling
The Khan's and demons can fly to, so can't use flight really as an advantage. And doom slayer has been fighting for eons, so idk who would have more battle iq
Goku in heros is crazy
Doomguy loads his shotgun Goku dies then doomguy fires
As someone who has a strong understanding of how the law of physics and space time works, there's is absolutely zero chance that Doomslayer or Doom guy could ever defeat Goku. It's simply not possible. Goku has the power to literally manipulate space time with ease and has proven this on a number of occasions. Doom guy fights in a realm where these laws do not apply. This is why Doom guy has been able to defeat entities that can manipulate these laws because those entities are not able to utilize their power in a realm that isn't bound or confined by such laws as it doesn't exist there.
Even with Doom guy's God armor and his experience in combat against demons and creatures with unmeasurable power, all of those creatures would literally be decimated by Goku in an instant if they were to fight in a realm where space time laws exist. If Doom guy was to fight Goku in such a realm like Earth, he would be destroyed in seconds by an entity as powerful as Goku. This isn't theoretical but factual as Goku has the power to destroy planets and universes through his ability of releasing raw energy, which is something Doom guy cannot do.
Heya Chuck, consider scaling the megami tensei verse. They're some of my favorites and insanely powerful, should make for interesting videos and honestly should be able to pit them vs insanely broken characters like lucifer Morningstar for example.
Whenever someone mentions Arale I have to temporarily blind myself I swear
In the novelization of the dbs broly movie when gogeta and broly were fighting they went to a super dimensional realm and shattered it. So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions =Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions That's what we get.
Lmao
The way doomslayer has been writen, he would be the most powerful charachter in fiction, he has no limit to his power and capacities
Naah wukong already is the most powerful character in written he can solo all fictionverse
@@mad-myths I don’t really know Wukong. But the thing is that Doomslayer was designed by the writers to be limitless in basically anything, he will always be strong enough to surpass his opponents, that’s why there’s no piece of media were we see Doomslayer reaching the level limit to accomplish a feat. Really, everything he does in the games is like a walk in the park lore wise, like he doesn’t struggle the least of bit. So seeing how powerful he is and knowing that this is only a fraction of what he can achieve. So truly the limits of his power, in the end, really is the human mind.
@@Carlos_cheh
While the Doom Slayer is portrayed as incredibly powerful, especially with his vast array of weapons, armor, and superhuman feats, his power isn't truly limitless. The Doom Slayer's strength comes from a combination of factors: his Argent-fueled Praetor suit, his mastery of advanced weaponry, and his sheer willpower. However, he's still shown to take damage, and there are limits to how much punishment he can withstand, as seen in gameplay and some aspects of the lore.
Even with his demonic enhancements and relentless fury, the Doom Slayer is not invincible. He requires health and armor pickups in-game, and lore-wise, he can be trapped or overwhelmed under specific circumstances.
Ngl, the gameverse solos the animeverse (gameverse got the motivational chair.)
Doomslayer defeated davoth and after he beat em he wasnt even tired in anyway
Doom looks cooler than I thought it was. I didn't know there were other armor wearing maniacs in the verse
I know I asked that already but I was wondering if you'd like to talk about a ygo gx character named Yubel. That character is interesting IMO because ygo is often an under estimated verse while it has some multiversal characters, characters who can cross galaxies in a few hours which makes them at least billions of times ftl. Reality warpers, mind manipulators etc ...
Even in the most recent anime there are some crazy feats like multiple galaxies crossed in some hours, planetary stuff, reality warping, pocket dimension, space-time alteration, time travel, possible time paradox immunity, possession, corruption, mind alteration, reality warping + mind alteration (to make people believe reality always worked that way), alteration of laws of physics etc ...
Yubel is possibly one of the strongest characters of ygo being multiversal, several octilions of times ftl (enough to cross the observable univers 80 millions of times per second), has tons of hax like extreme resistance to mind manipulation, acausality, conceptual existence, mid godly regen, reality warping (multiversal scale), mind manipulation that bypasses resistance to mind manipulation, soul manipulation, space manipulation, dimensional travel, teleportation (multiversal scale and it works on others as well), immunity to physical attacks, intangibility, pocket dimension creation etc ...
I haven’t watched the video but I’m a Goku fanboy
Doom Slayer gets stronger every time he kills something and also when he kills demons ammo just pops out of them that's a real ability he has I'm assuming when he punches them something happens with the molecules that just turns their molecules into ammo Doom is confusing
I'd like to suggest a possible 5-7 way brawl of armored figures 😁 A brawl between the following:
- Guyver-I (with his Gigantic upgrade)
- Kamen Rider
- Blue Beetle
- Iron Man
- Witchblade (Sara or Masane doesn't matter)
- one of the VR-Troopers
AND
- the strongest/powerful of the Power Rangers.
I'd add DOOM-Slayer, but he would be over kill 😂
Damn how did I not know you made this
First of all, if doomslayer can Beat cratos. D god of war I'm a 100% positive he can be goku
Do people actually debate this
The DoomSlayer wins no question hands down. Due to two main factors. One is the fact that his power will always raise to the level he needs to win, his power will always match his will, basically “willpower” if you will,… lol. The second thing is his age. It is said in the game lore that he entered hell to fight them on their own turf and to also make sure that no more hell portals could be opened again. The time period that he spent I. Hell could be billions of years to just millions, it could have been even longer. All that time when he was in hell, he was in constant combat and every demon he slayed only empowered him even more. So his battle IQ would be way higher than Goku simply based on the amount of time that he spent in hell fighting the demons. In the codex’s entries this two things are easily found from either Doom 2016 and/or Doom Eternal. There are many other factors to consider when looking at the potential power of the DoomSlayer and scaling him hypothetically against other fictional characters. Really the DoomSlayer cannot be reliably power scaled in his own reality let alone in comparison to another fictional reality, because the makers of his story and game have never really mentioned any limits to his power, that is if there are any. Also, in regards to his battle IQ and the amount of time he has spent fighting hell, his godly biological functions or lack there of need to be mentioned. Because the DoomSlayer does not have limitations like Goku does like eating, sleeping, drinking, dedicating, breathing, and basically anything else we human beings have to do in order to maintain our existence the DoomSlayer does not have to partake in. This fact means that not only was he in hell fighting for potentially millions or billions of years, but that the time spent in hell would have all been dedicated to fighting as the DoomSlayer has no downtime. I love Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball Super, and even Dragonball GT. I also like the Doom games and I have been playing Doom since the original shareware release of the first episode and I was following the story of Dragonball before Doom was even made. So I am not playing favourites here I am simply stating the facts that are provided from both fictional universes via the accompanying media releases related to both franchises. Goku would definitely solo most other fictional universes but the DoomSlayer would actually solo all. The DoomSlayer has been built up by the lore to basically be the most powerful being that was ever created and he also beat his own creator, whose power was also flowing through his body. They have made the DoomSlayer to be the embodiment of a power fantasy and as of right now like I have said previously his has no limits to his power until the creators decide if he has any or not. But just looking at the text during the start of the new Doom game The Dark Ages, I doubt this trend with the creators not assigning him any limits will remain. Correct me if I am wrong but it states in that early text before he was a hero, he was the super weapon of kings and gods, and I believe this new game will show the heights of his power much more than the last two recent titles have. I will always say that the DoomSlayer wins right up until the creators actually assign some limitations to him. As for the ending of Doom Eternal The Ancient Gods Part 2 where he collapses after destroying the Dark Lord’s physical form and is then placed into a box again, that is the only time that I am aware of where his lore demonstrates any weakness of his. With that all said, due to the nature of how they left the ending of that story open ended, we do not know yet for sure if this is a permanent power loss for the DoomSlayer or if he will retain his power once he mentally and physically gets used to not being biologically connected to the creator of the Doom fictional multiverse. I cannot wait for the new game. Cheers all!!! 🎉🎉🎉
I think this is my new Well done T-Bone Steak
Please do how strong is archie sonic
There is a ability that doomslayer has which is overlooked which is manipulating and destruction of the essence, the essence is the force that governs all living beings said that it encompasses the mind, will, intelligence, emotions, soul, abilities and the essential natures of the consciousness. And the essence is also something that governs reality because in the doom verse hell is a living thing and a extension of devoth's power , and urdak by the many souls it has thats considered a living thing as well,
theres also a statment saying that argent energy is beyond traditional science and unrestricted by dimensionally bound contemplation. These are just some things that you missed or things that i saw from the codex. Btw w vid
Goku doesn't even stand a chance here. Doomslayer wins in a *stomp.*
A point to make in terms of experience levels is that the Doom Slayer reliably has a massive advantage with BIQ since he's never stopped fighting, and has been fighting for eons within Hell, which is theorized to be billions of years in that time even though it works differently in Hell. Just as well, and this is more of an observation comparison toward a different verse than the two in this comparison, but Doom's Hell seems like DMC's Hell with the way that it is explained, being an immeasurably infinite void of consumption upon an unknown scale, I feel like even within a base to base combat without considering their highs that it might be even.
Another point as I figured out is that at any point he can quadruplicate his damage, in lore, not just by comparing game mechanics, which seems pretty large for the character overall, especially since he actively nerfs himself with the use of guns and other weapons, which he is actively amplifying/upgrading any weapon in his hand just by using it.
I find it funny that doomguy (not doomslayer) loses to master chief some how. I'm sorry if you a person have been fighting demons that are said to be so damn strong and there a few demons that can destroy cities not counting bosses that can do much worse. I think you would be very damn tough to kill. even if your not as powerful as doomslayer. I don't care how much of a master chief fan they are. he well still have a hard time fighting someone that fights beings that are worse than the aliens he faced.
@@rickydiscord7671Ngl doomguy ( not doomslayer) is pretty op like 4th dimensional by him scaling above the valdregar and the dreamers who dreams extradimensional realms and elder gods, and him scailing above elder gods that are beyond human comprehension and having sizes that are endless, or him killing the cyberdemon knowing the cyberdemon resisted blows from the soul cube knowing the soul cube rivals beings that are transcended to space and time
Goku struggles doom slayer is the struggle
another Chuck HOOD CLASIC video 🙏
Unless you play the game and he dies in 3 hits on hard Doom slayer that is ,scaling has become stupid
Rip Toriyama. Thank you for all this power through a low class warrior ❤
People think Doomslayer can beat Goku? I guess some people are more mentally ill than I thought, because that is fucking bonkers. Until someone proves that Doomslayer can even react to Goku in Base Form, fight at inaccessible speed, or casually fight at FTL speed (two of these things which Goku can do just after the end of the Freeza saga alone), I'm saying Goku takes it.
People just need to stop trying. I don't give a fuck what feats Doomslayer has, Goku is simply too durable and fast. Being immortal doesn't mean you can't get your shit rocked, and considering Goku's one of the good guys I can't possibly see how the Doomslayer could stay angry enough at him to literally be punching the air for all eternity thanks to how slow he is compared to Goku.
It's powerscaling brainrot man.
The Doomslayer has been infinitely enraged for a while. I think if Goku got in the slayer’s way, he’d be angry enough. Plus, even if goku was faster than the Doomslayer, which he isn’t, the slayer fought a god and easily dodged that gods attacks, the Doomslayer’s armor is canonically impenetrable, and unbreakable. It can’t be pierced by anything. And even if goku deleted him from the universe or whatever the fuck, there’s several statements in doom lore that the Doomslayer exists in every universe of the doom multiverse, and that he is incapable of death. The Doomslayer could rip goku apart with his bare hands. We don’t even see the slayer’s full power in the games. He’s probably not even trying. He killed Davoth, creator of the doom multiverse, with ease, not even getting a scratch on him. His power matches his rage, and his rage is infinite and never stops, so if Goku ever got into a combat encounter with the slayer, he’d be fucked, undoubtedly
Problem is that davoth was massively depowered as he even states himself in the fight against doomslayer. @SarcasticGaming13846
You should do dante vs doomslayer
Good vid
Thanks g
9D Dante vs 6D+ DOOMSLAYER is a sad DOOMSLAYER L.
@@weskintime4177 Dante doesnt scale anywhere close to outer goofy, Slayer stomps
@weskintime4177 stfu no he doesn't
@@weskintime4177 fake 9D scan
I guess we will never truly know who is first, huh...
Why must every character have Immeasurable speed? Why not inaccessible and irreverent speed instead of overscaling things to Immeasurable all the time?
Irrelevant> Immeasurable> Inacessible> Infinite
@@Chuck
Wait I isn't Immeasurable speed greater then irrelevant speed?
@@thorshammer7883 Nope
immeasurable speed = Movement beyond linear time
Irrelevant speed = speed that transcends the concept of speed and defy the concept of distance altogether
@@Szukiyken
Yeah, looking back I see that is the case with Immeasurable speed.
chuck. great.
i need a sonic video from you chuck
logically if they get put in the same universe and given a bit to learn, doom could learn all of the techniques used by goku so theres no stopping him then
Great job chuck I agree with you on that doomslayer would win due to his feats and cosmology but I feel with gokus flight capability he could try to maneuver around but I wonder how a composite goku would fair and keep up the amazing work
Yoo chuck, its been a while since ive seen on of he videos, still as good as ever if im being honest
Thank you for watching!
@@Chuck ignore my bad spelling right there 💀, the sun doesn’t help. But yea man, keep up the work!
I could take both at once
Hey Chuck can you do a matchup for The Doom Slayer vs DOOMSDAY The New King of Hell.
It depends really.
If it's just a normal day, then Goku probably has the win
But if Goku kills Doomguy's rabbit... there's nothing that can save him XD
Goku wins because he has experience in the greatest battle of all… marriage…
I remember someone said in one of the heroes games that goku at one point absorbed tori bots authors command powers and basically gains authority over his own story but i cant find the source for it. If its true how far do you think it scales him since it would put him above arale which tori bot wrote?
6:54 Are there really infinite timelines of there are finite time rings?
Time rings represent altered/irregular changes in time, not all the timelines that exist in general.
A part of me wants you to compare the book series Demonata vs The Doom Slayer. However I know this isn’t a book channel so I know it’ll never happen. 😂
So the question is do you think Goku could accomplish all the things doomslayer did in his universe, if he was put in the doomslayers place?
You can’t have aleph sets of dimensions. That’s not a joke, it’s just math
Great video and I new doomslayer would win. Yeah while said Doomslayer at his strongest would definitely win against Goku at his strongest.
when i heard super dragon ball heros and xenoverse i all ready knew doom slayer was dead
I find it kind of wierd hiw you can argue hell to be high outerversal but have doomguy who can casually stomp the being who created it to be only baseline outer at best.
I even think having him at 7d is a colossal low ball as the icon ove sin can easily be scaled to that since he could passivle corrupt urdak and was beyond the makyrs control without the mortal soul of valens son
The only response to this anyone could have is "Non canon".
It's all canon.
Definitely one HELL of a fight😂😂😂
I'm sure the comments on this video will be perfectly mature and not toxic
Can you do a video of The Doom Slayer vs Doomsday The King of Hell(DC)