There is a difference between race ethnicity and nationality the dude is Caucasian born in South Africa so his nationality is South African his dna links back to Europe his skull and bones are Caucasoid simple its not that hard guys
Black people was the first people on every continent its historic record that a black person was the first person in Europe and Italy a lot of other places Asia Schultz's right about the pigment changing but it happened after the Great Migration and lastly its a current in Africa that you can put a boat without a sail and it will lead you straight to Brazil are you straight to New Mexico lastly and Christopher Columbus journals when he came to America he had black people with them that already been to America and plus it was black people even American and when he was coming here
@@blackcat6508 So is Andrew. Especially when he was trying to explain the African/Asian/European American thing. There were a lot of other points too but it’s just crazy to me that Andrew is the most aware on a lot of issues on today’s pod.
That’s because Schulz is from New York and Charlamagne from the country. Most southern black people (minus South Florida and maybe Atlanta) no nothing/bare minimum about black peoples outside of the US.
As a member of the African black community, I formally declare a trade of Charlamagne for Andrew Schulz, due to Charlamagne's luck of knowledge of African people and our history.
Yes he did. He changed his argument right in the middle. It went from "It doesnt make sense for Black People to be called African American because we all know where black people come from" to " Minorities in America shouldnt be labeled from where there ancestors are from because they were born here" Which is a argument people have been saying for YEARS.
It lowkey drives me crazy when Andrew makes a point that's too smart for Charlamagne. Keep up Charla. The point about the qualifiers, he was making thr whole time. You just couldn't understand it 😂😂
@@ibervillezee9142 you probably do and say the same dumbass shit like charla who believes Caribbean people have a problem with being called black. As Someone from Jamaica ive never had a problem with it You can even go read other comments from people who are literally in Jamaica or DR and grew up there their entire life and don’t have a problem with being called black. You got people talking about shit when they have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about and they’re just parroting words that they’ve heard before because they think it sounds good. Edit: the entire first 30 minutes of this is a cluster fuck
@@alvinj.6500charla talks to much without listening but shultz was making that much sense like saying Australia American like people in Australia didn't come from Europe
Charla def missed the larger point, but Andrew’s argument was kinda flawed and charla just kept picking at the details. It was a good enough argument to setup a joke or something, but that’s just about it. Too many assumptions all around for this to have gotten any deeper.
Shultz was off in my opinion. He basically lumped all people that had light skin as white without recognizing that there are South Asians ( Shri lankan, Indian) and South Americas that have dark skin.. sometimes darker than the darkest African but they are not considered “black”. It was a low key racist take without him even realizing it. Just like him saying the only intelligent Africans who built pyramids basically were the ones who migrated to Europe.. and overtime turned white lol. That is was some racist ish.. again without him even noticing
Classic Brilliant Idiots moment when Andrew finally realizes Charla clearly doesn’t understand the difference between race, ethnicity and nationality 🤣
I'm Dominican (independent isle). I've always hated being called "black". I'd much rather be called Caribbean or Dominican. It doesn't bother me and I call myself black but that's because I'm conforming. I always thought it was reductive and stupid.
Andrew is intelligent asf and his humor, quick comebacks and delivery is what makes him fire! He’s joe Rogan 2.0 I can def see him being the next joe Rogan or bigger. I could even see him running for president. Charlamene is too close minded and has a “know it all” mindset which doesn’t allow him to actually listen and the way Andrew seen it not going anywhere he took the high road and made things funny. He’s pure talent right there. Debates are good to have but hear eachother out. I’ma keep watching this and subscribe. love it keep it up!
Charlamagne. You never met a Caribbean person of African descent who told you that we collectively don’t want to be called black. We do call ourselves black.
As a Jamaican who grew up in Jamaica and migrated here in my early twenties I’d rather be called “black” than “African American” because I didn’t grow up here understanding the African American culture. I always corrected people when they referred to me as “African American” and I’ll say I’m Jamaican or I’m just “black” 🤷🏽♂️
exactly...a lot of African-Americans have this narrative that Caribbean people don't like being called black, because I'm sure someone corrected being called "African-American" and they took offense to it as if we're denying being black, then ran with it. It's a prevalent rumor that many people continue to spread online. Just a few days ago I saw a post on the shaderoom and ppl were in the comments talking about Kamala Harris doesn't claim being black, she claims being Jamaican to separate herself from being black.
Yea because Andrew switched the conversation 3 different times and was making uneducated points about all 3 different topic. There both uneducated on the topics but bragging about Schultz dumb points is hilarious
Very much so! CTG was like a 4 yr old. Whether you agree or not, interiors to say nothing is infantile. I understood what Schulz was saying in a basic respect, If you're from America, why can we just be Americans?
Charlas “wokeness” is a chore to get through. I don’t know how Andrew does it, but you can see the frustration on his face multiple times and I absolutely understand it. Charla is the type to listen to respond, not listen to understand. Especially when the topic is about race.
Remember Elon Musk's tweet about the left going do far left it made him look right even though he was centrist? I think that's happened here. I've been a fan since the "Alt Right Andy" days and Schultz said then that he's doing that to push the show because Charla is so left and woke lately....that was at least what, 5 years ago? Charlamagne has become unbearably woke-panderist since then. I think he's so far gone he doesn't know how to get back.
@@MrColdwilliam Charla has to pander because Stephen Colbert gave him a show on Comedy Central and if he falls out of narrative they cancel him for the SA charge he got years ago... He's in too deep in the woke mob.
If a group of people say that the a word is offensive then we need to respect that. This conversation sounds like when someone is debating why they should be able to say the n-word without repercussion.
Shulz is spot on about about not using descriptors. It separates people and makes peoples with descriptors seem like outsiders. At some point it was probably done out of respect for someone’s culture but now it’s not necessary and more harmful than good.
American isnt a real thing, the only real Americas are the natives everyone else is an immigrant willing or unwilling, to deny basic biology is dumb. Your ethnicity is far more important than nationality since one is malleable and the other is not. I could become Scottish citizen tomorrow that shit still wouldn't make me Scottish. Whereas i could never deny my lineage as its in my blood and bones. Every sport I've ever been good at isn't because of my nation of birth but because of my nation of origin.
@ibrahim hassan i see what your saying but there a flaw in your argument. being an "American" is a real thing if you were born in America. yes your race is important, im spanish and that is apart of my culture but i was born in America. getting citizenship for America when you were born in a different country is more the angle you were taking, but that doesnt apply to everyone.
He’s making the classic mistake we’ve all made of acting like Africa is a country though . Also are white people from more that Europe ? I know Australia but they were sent there from Europe . Him acting like white people just originated everywhere and is the default race I think is the misunderstanding and disagreement they’re having
This is argument, although well intended, is actually just an argument for colour blindness which is even worse. We need definitions and labels to address social issues that different groups face. This is where Andrew lacks the nuance to see this. African immigrants face completely different social issues than African Americans. They out perform in education, they earn more and have less single parent households. This is why many immigrants reject the black label as it doesnt fit. Back home everyone is black and they know its not a homogenous group.
Honestly it's black people like him that annoy me, he's so goddamn uneducated and it's clear he's never studied anybody else's history. So many cultures have been oppressed or enslaved, it's not all that unique
Andrew Shultz was hitting intellectual cultural facts the whole time but Charla is a brand ambassador. He knows how to talk about fringe or niche stuff to attract a wider audience and it was throwing Andrew off 😂 No matter how fringe or niche the community Charla gonna know something about it. 99% of black culture know what Andrew was saying though.
Well Race doesn’t actually exist and the line between Nationality and Ethnicity is pretty thin. Ethnicity really is just long term nationality when you back up and think about it. And Nationality is well.. whatever nation you are apart of. Race is just bs identification by color but it doesn’t even work. It only was useful when ppl were being reduced to their color as the predominant determining factor for someone’s place in the society. It never had any scientific backing, because it was never supposed to be scientific. We really should stop using race, it’s useless and can help drive destructive social forces. Hopefully one day we’ll get past it
@@doctorkhumalo7730 you're right. But just to cover all bases - the idea of race exists in the fact that we are all the human race. Nationality and Ethnicity as Race though? No. Separate things. This is biology and science. Hell, the census itself says there is no biological or scientific basis for race and it's all based on social constructs...it then uses that race data to create laws, services and rights. Which is crazy.
Absolutely! He’s a scholar with it. I wish he mentioned Igbo instead of the most commonly joked about groups in America but the points were all excellent as always.
During the discussion about whether people of other ethnicities can be called americans, it became clear that schulz has outgrown the capacity for discussion on this podcast. Charla not even trying tobe knowledgeable about the stuff he talks about
It annoyed me that the difference between ethnicity and nationality went over Charla's head. Also he kept saying things that are facts as theories. So annoying.
💯 🤦🏾♂️😂 - the amount of times things fly right over CTG’s head is insane! His knee jerk reaction is to discredit, dismiss or deny anything contrary to his POV & if he can’t he’ll just try to steer the convo to something totally unrelated as if no one else notices lol zero awareness
All Charlemagne had to say is that even in Asia it's not obvious that they're Asian, the continent is so vast and different even just among East, South Asia and South east Asia ;Edit I kept watching nvm he just doesn't know what race is
For real, Charla, Schulz, Akaash, Alex, and Mark got my “now I guess I work from home for an indefinite amount of time” ass through the pandemic. Thanks guys!
The inability of Charlemagne to listen and comprehend is fascinating and so frustrating 😂 he has the listening skills of a woman who goes on fresh and fit. I don't know how Schultz managed that 😭
What killed me was when Charla thought white south Africans were indigenous to the region 😂 you know Schultz has matured as this same conversation would've turned into a full blown argument years ago.
@@yertoik ancient history where they talk about lost civiliaztions due to cataclysms. It's possible there could be a mass extinction event that will wipe us out again and set back evolution
Honestly, as a South African, thank you for knowing certain facts about our nation and our history. Thank you Andrew I have new found respect for you sir
That’s what got me! I bet if it was a white person who said it he’d probably be more inclined to keep that same energy. I thought he was playing a character but the shit he was saying was the exact arguments some make to justify their actions by playing dumb. He wasn’t playing!!!
The “naming white people by their race of origin” actually makes sense in cases where there is a variety of white people. I’m Puertorican born and raised, but my family immigrated from Spain a few gens ago. Since there are lots (way too many) North Americans on the island, the result is that since I’m European white I have to specify (that I’m Euro-Latin) so people don’t speak to me in English or think I’m from the States. An “average” looking Puertorican doesn’t have to specify where they’re from because we’re almost all “mestizos” (which is the blend of Native Latin American & European)
I find it crazy that our society is spending so much energy on race and other woke topics while we got way bigger issues. For example you went down that rabbit hole while you could spend you time on something more productive which would benefit you way more.
Alt Right Andy...made no sense, Europe is made up of countries like....Africa is made up of countries. If you are White, we can trace you back to Europe because everywhere else, White people moved to.... Puerto Ricans are 65% White and for the most part are White (German)/Italian people who mixed with Black people to create ghetto White people...
I think it makes more sense that the first peoples were Middle Eastern, or “Indo-European”….like Iranians…they can have light colored eyes, but their skin is darker and hair is black…the Bible says that Humanity broke off into 12 Tribes after a cataclysm to repopulate the world. Makes sense that the ones who went north got lighter and the ones who went south got darker. The ones who went East got a yellow skin tone with slanted eyes and the ones who went West got redder skin tone and wider eyes. Fun fact: 10,000 years ago a person was born with a “birth defect”…their eyes were blue. Apparently every blue eyed person is descended from this person. Can u imagine if u were the FIRST person born with blue eyes? I wonder how they were treated-if people thought they were a freak or if people thought they were special? Well
@@angechrisman1694 Until we’ve excavated every inch of the earth - we do not know. As of right now that is the theory because the oldest human fossil was found in Africa. Not to mention, mostly all terrain is not good for preserving fossils.
Charlemagne got it all wrong with the African topic. Foundational Black Americans don’t claim they were here before the slave ship arrived. Foundational Black Americans are African Americans with slave ancestry. This is a way to differentiate themselves from other African Americans who just migrated to America from Africa not through Slavery
Schulz carrying the podcast cause Charla gettin worse every week. Schulz was speaking facts about labeling different groups of Americans making them outsiders. Charla is just ignorant and only listens to try and argue. He doesn’t need to keep saying “I don’t know” cause we can tell 😂
@@subtopewpewpie which makes the African American label even more inaccurate. Why are black people labeled with the qualifier and not white people was his initial point. It’s literally a form of othering blacks while whites just get to be Americans
46:06 - yo s/o to Andrew for hitting that Xhosa click yo 😂🙌🏽 that’s the most effort i’ve seen an American put in to pronounce that click . Andrew’s basically African yo 🤷🏽♂️😂
The word “black” is causing so much confusion. People like Charla attach their culture/ethnicity to it. Which actually should be their race. Black culture is an American thing. We Africans don’t have black culture. We have the culture of our country or region. For African Americans being black is both, black as in skin color and black as in ethnic/culture.
Charla killing me on this one. Dude didn't listen to not one word and he has no idea what the difference between nationality and race is😂 I was laughing the entire video
He really isn't. he changed his argument right in the middle. It went from "It doesnt make sense for Black People to be called African American because we all know where black people come from" to "Minorities in america shouldnt be labeled from where there ancestors are from" Which people have been saying for YEARS.
If youre a white person with roots from Italy and are born an American, you say youre italian-american. There are a large group of Croatian Texans. There are plenty examples of white people retaining their culture. The problem is when white cultures mix and 5 generations later it’s hard to connect with any one culture. Now youre just “white american” or “white”. Shoutout to all the carribeans telling black Americans about black America though.
@@Shortballa11 there's alot of disagreements in this one, but I think the most heated is when drew is explaining that nationality and race aren't the same thing. If you're born in America you're not African. Elon musk is an African American, bc of where he was born it doesn't matter that he's white, just like it doesn't matter if you're "black" you're just an American.
I am with you, Charla was listening to respond not to understand. I get why Andrew was frustrated because Charla wasn't paying attention to the argument.
Bro the fact that Andrew has this racist as haircut in THIS episode makes this episode so much funniee cause Charla just ain’t getting it and I can almost swear that the haircut is making charla think Andrew’s points are “racist” in a funny way 😂😂😂
I love how the episode started with an ULT RIGHT ANDY joke 😂 but we actually ended up seeing the old toxic trait of CHARLA actively misunderstanding Hezi. God leeeeeee that was soooo frustrating cuz I understood him the first time he explained that qualifier shit. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@Ser Jack Burgundy a Knight of the Patriarchy lol yup, he hears someone say something and runs with it for the rest of his life with reading into it. He's the definition of ignorance.
@Ty M I don't understand why he actively tries to take it to the extreme side everytime. You can clearly hear Andrew saying "yo yo yo why you making it sound crazy" in the beginning when he was trying to keep it light and "jokes".
He was making complete sense. And I don’t see how it’s hard to understand. And I’m black. And Caribbean. And i refer to my race as black. Not whatever country in the Caribbean I’m from lol. That aggravated me lol
@@dvonfelix8088 Facts... Charlamagne is not very Brite. When I was younger, he was one of my favorite entertainers. Now I'm older, I can barely listen to Charlamagne for too long
@@dvonfelix8088 im black. With family roots in the Caribbean. Im just rlly want to know what the point was. Like in one sentence, what was he trying to get across
Listening to Charla makes me feel racist lol. Does he even know that he stole his name from a white guy? Charlemagne the Great, the first Holy Roman Emperor
Charla defending gyped and saying it has multiple meanings now is HILARIOUS cuz you know he would never have the same thought process for the n word or even bitch 🤣🤣
what schultz is saying is black people typically trace their ancestry back to africa, even if theyre afro-Caribbean or whatever. its literally what the afro part means. if you ask white ppl about their ancestry they will usually say irish or german or french or italian or australian or english etc. we're talking a few hundred years back, not 20,000 years. so it would make more sense to specify what type of white you are than what type of black. same for asians...theyre phillipino, chinese, cambodian, vietnamese etc. there arent a ton of places that black people in america USUALLY trace their ancestry to. yes i understand there are black people in every country which is why im saying usually. i dont feel as if most black ppl trace back to a specific country i.e. ethiopia zimbabwe egypt etc. i know i dont
Ayo Charlemagne actually has poor social comprehension. He’s not a dummy, but it took him forever to understand what Andrew meant by America inventing “Black people.” Andrew worded it in a humorous double entendre way but Charlemagne just kept talking about the caste system from slavery. Bro…
Never really listened to anything with Charlamagne in it in full, and after hearing him say stuff like slavery is the original sin for white people, I don't think I can take the guy seriously on anything.
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy I think it’s just because he knows how to do radio and he has always said wild shit which garnered clicks. He’s slow but a good salesman.
You know when you overhear two people arguing, then you quickly realize one person is vastly more knowledgeable than the other. So you’re just waiting for the lightbulb to hit the other person but it never comes 😅 this is a lot like that.
There was an episode of House MD where Dr. House wanted to upset Gypsy parents of his patient, and he yelled “I can’t believe they gypped me” in the hall way, and they came out of the room fussing at him. So it is a real thing and I’ve been aware of it since I saw that episode in 2006 or 2007. That being said, it’s not a big deal and ppl make mountains out of mole hills too often.
3:25 How is "Gypsy" a slur for Romanians? Gypsies aren't Romanians. And Romanians don't use Gypsy as a slur, we say "tigani" but again it's not a slur. Gypsies came from India, from the Dalit caste, the "untouchables" their name was "Doma" but somehow it got to become "Roma" then "Romani" and any day now it will become Romanian. That way people will think all Gypsies are Romanians for sure.
The word "Gypsy" comes from "Egyptian" because medieval Europeans never saw any brown people other than Egyptians (which were more of a thing in ancient times).
As a white guy I've always thought it was rude to call black people African American. They're Black Americans. They're born here in America just like most of us. And if you weren't but come here then add the country prefix if you are talking about nationality. My sister in law is south African and immigrated here and is now American. No one calls her African American even though she would be more "qualified" to be called African American than our fellow Americans of the black race. Hopefully my thinking isn't misconstrued. I think the African American label is derogatory to our fellow American brothers and sisters and just another way to separate them as a race.
Is Stefan Benz African? comment for the algo 💪
If he’s African I’m a Lebanese man who DOESNT sell cars
No
Yes.
So is charlize theron, and elon musk.
There is a difference between race ethnicity and nationality the dude is Caucasian born in South Africa so his nationality is South African his dna links back to Europe his skull and bones are Caucasoid simple its not that hard guys
Black people was the first people on every continent its historic record that a black person was the first person in Europe and Italy a lot of other places Asia Schultz's right about the pigment changing but it happened after the Great Migration and lastly its a current in Africa that you can put a boat without a sail and it will lead you straight to Brazil are you straight to New Mexico lastly and Christopher Columbus journals when he came to America he had black people with them that already been to America and plus it was black people even American and when he was coming here
Andrew losing brain cells talking to charla is priceless 😂😂
Business as usual. Love their chemistry tho
The man believes he was a werewolf, and shultz is trying to talk to him about logic still.
Big facts, Charlamagne is a cotdamn idiot (im black for the record) always talkin bout shit he dont even bother researching 🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
@@tomass234 Schulz
CTG isn’t mature enough to have this conversation with..Andrew brought up some great talking points that should have been explored a little more.
I’m Nigerian and Andrew was the most accurate on here. Charlemagne was terribly wrong a lot of times.
Cause Charlemagne is American first and not African.
@@blackcat6508 I’m American 1st as well I got awfully frustrated had to skip 5mins
@@blackcat6508 So is Andrew. Especially when he was trying to explain the African/Asian/European American thing. There were a lot of other points too but it’s just crazy to me that Andrew is the most aware on a lot of issues on today’s pod.
I love Charla but man I was frustrated listening to majority his takes today.
That’s because Schulz is from New York and Charlamagne from the country. Most southern black people (minus South Florida and maybe Atlanta) no nothing/bare minimum about black peoples outside of the US.
As a member of the African black community, I formally declare a trade of Charlamagne for Andrew Schulz, due to Charlamagne's luck of knowledge of African people and our history.
98% of the world doesn't care. :p
@@sirskorge Why the fuck did you comment then?
@@sirskorgeAre you their spokesperson?😂
Luck or lack? Honest question.
The ability of Andrew to still make well crafted jokes while loosing his mind is underrated 😂 shits hilarious
Andrew never switched the African American argument and explains the same exact thing 3 different ways 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes he did. He changed his argument right in the middle. It went from "It doesnt make sense for Black People to be called African American because we all know where black people come from" to " Minorities in America shouldnt be labeled from where there ancestors are from because they were born here" Which is a argument people have been saying for YEARS.
@@DamianBarker363 FYI you weren’t listening to Andrew obviously. Stop flipping narratives to fit your bias
@@upfuze R u dumb? What bias he cleary switched the argument. Its very clear
Charla just being racist, but I guess he can be
Yes he did
As a black man Charlemagne never sounded so dumb.
😂😂😂😂
Exactly the argument was the label infront of 'american' applying to every race of American ppl except white American ppl is wrong🤦🏾♂️
Damn. Andrew has to break down race, nationality and ethnicity a million different ways.
Charlemagne was making points that literally spoke to Andrew’s argument and still could not recognise that he might be wrong😂😂
It lowkey drives me crazy when Andrew makes a point that's too smart for Charlamagne. Keep up Charla. The point about the qualifiers, he was making thr whole time. You just couldn't understand it 😂😂
Schultz was making Charlamagnes point, and just like you, didn't understand.
@@ibervillezee9142 you probably do and say the same dumbass shit like charla who believes Caribbean people have a problem with being called black. As Someone from Jamaica ive never had a problem with it You can even go read other comments from people who are literally in Jamaica or DR and grew up there their entire life and don’t have a problem with being called black. You got people talking about shit when they have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about and they’re just parroting words that they’ve heard before because they think it sounds good.
Edit: the entire first 30 minutes of this is a cluster fuck
@@alvinj.6500charla talks to much without listening but shultz was making that much sense like saying Australia American like people in Australia didn't come from Europe
Charla def missed the larger point, but Andrew’s argument was kinda flawed and charla just kept picking at the details. It was a good enough argument to setup a joke or something, but that’s just about it. Too many assumptions all around for this to have gotten any deeper.
Shultz was off in my opinion. He basically lumped all people that had light skin as white without recognizing that there are South Asians ( Shri lankan, Indian) and South Americas that have dark skin.. sometimes darker than the darkest African but they are not considered “black”. It was a low key racist take without him even realizing it. Just like him saying the only intelligent Africans who built pyramids basically were the ones who migrated to Europe.. and overtime turned white lol. That is was some racist ish.. again without him even noticing
Classic Brilliant Idiots moment when Andrew finally realizes Charla clearly doesn’t understand the difference between race, ethnicity and nationality 🤣
Most people don't especially Americans
Charla playing Stupid 10,000 lashes,, calling Dr.Umar after this 🤨
"I'm from Ghanaian" tho 😂
Race and ethnicity are the same thing no?
@@steventheslayer Basically yes
Andrew got that peaky blinders cut
Charlamagne’s stupidity between 26:00 and 33:00 is dangerous
Sometimes it blows my mind how hard it is for Charlemagne to understand basic concepts.
Part of his act we will have no content if they just all agreed
As a Caribbean person it seems that Andrew understands race better than Charlemagne
Yeah Charlemagne is so dumb
Charlemagne stole his name from a white guy in the first place, he doesn't know shit
Bredddddaaa this is exactly what I thought, I'm Jamaican. I've neveeeeer heard anyone else from the Caribbean say they don't like being called black
@@mrjagrown Ironically, the "original" Black and Proud man, Marcus Mosiah Garvey was Jamaican by birth!
I'm Dominican (independent isle). I've always hated being called "black". I'd much rather be called Caribbean or Dominican.
It doesn't bother me and I call myself black but that's because I'm conforming. I always thought it was reductive and stupid.
Andrew is intelligent asf and his humor, quick comebacks and delivery is what makes him fire! He’s joe Rogan 2.0 I can def see him being the next joe Rogan or bigger. I could even see him running for president. Charlamene is too close minded and has a “know it all” mindset which doesn’t allow him to actually listen and the way Andrew seen it not going anywhere he took the high road and made things funny. He’s pure talent right there. Debates are good to have but hear eachother out. I’ma keep watching this and subscribe. love it keep it up!
Charlamagne. You never met a Caribbean person of African descent who told you that we collectively don’t want to be called black. We do call ourselves black.
As a Jamaican who grew up in Jamaica and migrated here in my early twenties I’d rather be called “black” than “African American” because I didn’t grow up here understanding the African American culture. I always corrected people when they referred to me as “African American” and I’ll say I’m Jamaican or I’m just “black” 🤷🏽♂️
I completely agree I'm also from Jamaica and this is exactly how I feel.
exactly...a lot of African-Americans have this narrative that Caribbean people don't like being called black, because I'm sure someone corrected being called "African-American" and they took offense to it as if we're denying being black, then ran with it. It's a prevalent rumor that many people continue to spread online. Just a few days ago I saw a post on the shaderoom and ppl were in the comments talking about Kamala Harris doesn't claim being black, she claims being Jamaican to separate herself from being black.
But what you dont say is “im american” which is what schulz wants you to say
@@ramb0lxmb He's not American though...being called American/African-American both make no sense
Agreed
25:00 - 33:00 - holy shit, Schulz' level of patience is god tier. Charla just can't help from just lisping all over Andrew's point.
Yea because Andrew switched the conversation 3 different times and was making uneducated points about all 3 different topic. There both uneducated on the topics but bragging about Schultz dumb points is hilarious
@@Chill_Brill it was the same argument the whole time but you’re too dense to understand that
@@Chill_Brill Agreed. Schulz is always all over the place.
"lisping all over Andrew's point."
That's some good stuff man, lmao.
Very much so! CTG was like a 4 yr old. Whether you agree or not, interiors to say nothing is infantile. I understood what Schulz was saying in a basic respect, If you're from America, why can we just be Americans?
Charlemagne can’t differentiate race from nationality smh good grief
I feel Andrew‘s frustration about the nationality/ethnicity conversation cus I, too, don’t understand what Charlemagne DOESN’T understand 😂
Charlas “wokeness” is a chore to get through. I don’t know how Andrew does it, but you can see the frustration on his face multiple times and I absolutely understand it. Charla is the type to listen to respond, not listen to understand. Especially when the topic is about race.
Remember Elon Musk's tweet about the left going do far left it made him look right even though he was centrist? I think that's happened here. I've been a fan since the "Alt Right Andy" days and Schultz said then that he's doing that to push the show because Charla is so left and woke lately....that was at least what, 5 years ago? Charlamagne has become unbearably woke-panderist since then. I think he's so far gone he doesn't know how to get back.
@@MrColdwilliam Charla has to pander because Stephen Colbert gave him a show on Comedy Central and if he falls out of narrative they cancel him for the SA charge he got years ago... He's in too deep in the woke mob.
It’s been proven y’all actually don’t know what “wokeness” is. 😂😂😂
Yea but Schultz was wrong
@@antoinelove1329 wrong about what?
Charlamagnes inability to see how beautiful and clear and pro black Andrew's narrative is.. is frustrating me as a brown person.
Charla is dumb
He strikes me as someone who has never read a book that has nothing to do with the black experience
Dude charlamane just talks to talk
No it’s not
I love how Andrew did all of that to say a literal racist point lmao
I love that I wasn’t the only one thinking charla is jus so wrong but talks like he thinks he’s right and never agrees that he was wrong
If a group of people say that the a word is offensive then we need to respect that. This conversation sounds like when someone is debating why they should be able to say the n-word without repercussion.
Shulz is spot on about about not using descriptors. It separates people and makes peoples with descriptors seem like outsiders. At some point it was probably done out of respect for someone’s culture but now it’s not necessary and more harmful than good.
Hahahah 🎉 enjoy
American isnt a real thing, the only real Americas are the natives everyone else is an immigrant willing or unwilling, to deny basic biology is dumb. Your ethnicity is far more important than nationality since one is malleable and the other is not. I could become Scottish citizen tomorrow that shit still wouldn't make me Scottish. Whereas i could never deny my lineage as its in my blood and bones. Every sport I've ever been good at isn't because of my nation of birth but because of my nation of origin.
@ibrahim hassan i see what your saying but there a flaw in your argument. being an "American" is a real thing if you were born in America. yes your race is important, im spanish and that is apart of my culture but i was born in America. getting citizenship for America when you were born in a different country is more the angle you were taking, but that doesnt apply to everyone.
He’s making the classic mistake we’ve all made of acting like Africa is a country though . Also are white people from more that Europe ? I know Australia but they were sent there from Europe . Him acting like white people just originated everywhere and is the default race I think is the misunderstanding and disagreement they’re having
This is argument, although well intended, is actually just an argument for colour blindness which is even worse. We need definitions and labels to address social issues that different groups face. This is where Andrew lacks the nuance to see this. African immigrants face completely different social issues than African Americans. They out perform in education, they earn more and have less single parent households. This is why many immigrants reject the black label as it doesnt fit. Back home everyone is black and they know its not a homogenous group.
My boy Charlemagne needs to take a few history and anthropology classes.
Honestly it's black people like him that annoy me, he's so goddamn uneducated and it's clear he's never studied anybody else's history. So many cultures have been oppressed or enslaved, it's not all that unique
He needs to get out of therapy and back into school
Maybe you should if your agreeing with a man saying white Australians originate there and not Europe as a basis for his delusional argument
@@sethdavis9101 because white people born in Australia aren't European...obviously
@@yarution367😂😂😂
Andrew Shultz was hitting intellectual cultural facts the whole time but Charla is a brand ambassador. He knows how to talk about fringe or niche stuff to attract a wider audience and it was throwing Andrew off 😂 No matter how fringe or niche the community Charla gonna know something about it. 99% of black culture know what Andrew was saying though.
Haircut courtesy of the Peaky fuckin Blinders😂😂😂
They restoring the feeling of the older episodes by talking without listening to each other 😂
I can't believe Cha doesn't know the difference between Nationality, Race and ethnicity
He's dumb
Well Race doesn’t actually exist and the line between Nationality and Ethnicity is pretty thin. Ethnicity really is just long term nationality when you back up and think about it. And Nationality is well.. whatever nation you are apart of.
Race is just bs identification by color but it doesn’t even work. It only was useful when ppl were being reduced to their color as the predominant determining factor for someone’s place in the society. It never had any scientific backing, because it was never supposed to be scientific.
We really should stop using race, it’s useless and can help drive destructive social forces. Hopefully one day we’ll get past it
That your opinion tho
@@bilalgarcia7685 If you are referring to race not existing then no that's not an opinion, it's actually a fact.
@@doctorkhumalo7730 you're right. But just to cover all bases - the idea of race exists in the fact that we are all the human race. Nationality and Ethnicity as Race though? No. Separate things. This is biology and science. Hell, the census itself says there is no biological or scientific basis for race and it's all based on social constructs...it then uses that race data to create laws, services and rights. Which is crazy.
It's getting to the point that Charla doesn't listen to understand, he's just responding to Andrew.
I love how much Andrew knows about other countries, I'm impressed as a South African that he placed Afrikaans correctly. S/O 🇿🇦
Absolutely! He’s a scholar with it. I wish he mentioned Igbo instead of the most commonly joked about groups in America but the points were all excellent as always.
During the discussion about whether people of other ethnicities can be called americans, it became clear that schulz has outgrown the capacity for discussion on this podcast. Charla not even trying tobe knowledgeable about the stuff he talks about
It annoyed me that the difference between ethnicity and nationality went over Charla's head. Also he kept saying things that are facts as theories. So annoying.
Charla is an idiot can’t even synthesize information ruins the convos on the pod tbh
I dunno how Andrew has the patience to get a point across to Charla sometimes smh lol
What’s going on indeed
💯 🤦🏾♂️😂 - the amount of times things fly right over CTG’s head is insane! His knee jerk reaction is to discredit, dismiss or deny anything contrary to his POV & if he can’t he’ll just try to steer the convo to something totally unrelated as if no one else notices lol zero awareness
All Charlemagne had to say is that even in Asia it's not obvious that they're Asian, the continent is so vast and different even just among East, South Asia and South east Asia
;Edit I kept watching nvm he just doesn't know what race is
@@isvvx like a woman.
For real, Charla, Schulz, Akaash, Alex, and Mark got my “now I guess I work from home for an indefinite amount of time” ass through the pandemic. Thanks guys!
"im not black im oj, im not gay im diplo" this shit had me dying lmaoo 😂
Andrew hyping up charla for being racist is craaaazy 😂😂😂
Char IS a racist black supremacist
Charla has always been racist😂
@@subtopewpewpie bruh he hates white people, it's his main thing
Lol he is though lol
Hella crazy yo
The inability of Charlemagne to listen and comprehend is fascinating and so frustrating 😂 he has the listening skills of a woman who goes on fresh and fit. I don't know how Schultz managed that 😭
Wen Andrew starts asking what’s going on here I start crying 😂 everytime
What killed me was when Charla thought white south Africans were indigenous to the region 😂 you know Schultz has matured as this same conversation would've turned into a full blown argument years ago.
You can see the effect the last Flagrant episode had on Schulzy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bro too real right now. ❤😂❤😂 I'm not the same either. We woke woke now!
Yeah he got red pill nihlistic af and now just wants go enjoy life cause everything meaningless 😂
Do you mean the ancient history one or a patreon one
@@yertoik ancient history where they talk about lost civiliaztions due to cataclysms. It's possible there could be a mass extinction event that will wipe us out again and set back evolution
@@yertoik the Patreon was recorded after this was recorded… Andrew talked about it
Schultz is out here with the Me, Myself & Irene haircut 😂😂
My face hurts so bad from laughing, especially at Andrews story about the stupid Mexican turtle. 😭😭
Honestly, as a South African, thank you for knowing certain facts about our nation and our history. Thank you Andrew I have new found respect for you sir
Ok so when it's Charla's shit he gets offended but when it is someone else like gypsies he's cool with it. Got it.
That’s what got me! I bet if it was a white person who said it he’d probably be more inclined to keep that same energy. I thought he was playing a character but the shit he was saying was the exact arguments some make to justify their actions by playing dumb. He wasn’t playing!!!
Andrew is not playing. He is racist and tries to hide it behind his comedy. He always comes for Black folks.
That’s what we’re always saying but we get shouted down for calling out the disrespect in what they’re saying
The “naming white people by their race of origin” actually makes sense in cases where there is a variety of white people. I’m Puertorican born and raised, but my family immigrated from Spain a few gens ago. Since there are lots (way too many) North Americans on the island, the result is that since I’m European white I have to specify (that I’m Euro-Latin) so people don’t speak to me in English or think I’m from the States. An “average” looking Puertorican doesn’t have to specify where they’re from because we’re almost all “mestizos” (which is the blend of Native Latin American & European)
I find it crazy that our society is spending so much energy on race and other woke topics while we got way bigger issues.
For example you went down that rabbit hole while you could spend you time on something more productive which would benefit you way more.
You might as well just say your white 😂
mestizos are European and Indigenous not African.
Alt Right Andy...made no sense, Europe is made up of countries like....Africa is made up of countries. If you are White, we can trace you back to Europe because everywhere else, White people moved to....
Puerto Ricans are 65% White and for the most part are White (German)/Italian people who mixed with Black people to create ghetto White people...
@@stefonny I do, my point is that I have to specify that I'm Euro white and not US white
“Andrew is the brilliant one and Charla is the idiot” The name brilliant idiots finally makes sense😂
I think it makes more sense that the first peoples were Middle Eastern, or “Indo-European”….like Iranians…they can have light colored eyes, but their skin is darker and hair is black…the Bible says that Humanity broke off into 12 Tribes after a cataclysm to repopulate the world. Makes sense that the ones who went north got lighter and the ones who went south got darker. The ones who went East got a yellow skin tone with slanted eyes and the ones who went West got redder skin tone and wider eyes.
Fun fact: 10,000 years ago a person was born with a “birth defect”…their eyes were blue. Apparently every blue eyed person is descended from this person. Can u imagine if u were the FIRST person born with blue eyes? I wonder how they were treated-if people thought they were a freak or if people thought they were special? Well
I think i can speak for all South Africans - this episode had me in stitches😂😂😂😂
Stitches and sadness for me. Zimbabwean here and I was like hey, please find a person from that country or area to explain this stuff lol
I was thinking the same thing💀
What does stitches mean?
😂😂👌
Bly om te sien nog n Suid-Afrikaner kyk die channel!!!!! Respect from Cape Town!!!
Shultz admitting that the first color of all people was black is amazing, and Charla not agreeing with this is wild.
Craziness
It's baffling. Especially when it's a proven scientific fact and not just a theory. Everything is not a theory
@@angechrisman1694 Until we’ve excavated every inch of the earth - we do not know. As of right now that is the theory because the oldest human fossil was found in Africa. Not to mention, mostly all terrain is not good for preserving fossils.
Charlemagne got it all wrong with the African topic. Foundational Black Americans don’t claim they were here before the slave ship arrived. Foundational Black Americans are African Americans with slave ancestry. This is a way to differentiate themselves from other African Americans who just migrated to America from Africa not through Slavery
NGL. As a black person this is a tough listen. Charlemagne has no idea wtf he’s talking about
Schulz carrying the podcast cause Charla gettin worse every week. Schulz was speaking facts about labeling different groups of Americans making them outsiders. Charla is just ignorant and only listens to try and argue. He doesn’t need to keep saying “I don’t know” cause we can tell 😂
Charla was right though because all black people arent just from Africa, they were everywhere
@@subtopewpewpie which makes the African American label even more inaccurate. Why are black people labeled with the qualifier and not white people was his initial point. It’s literally a form of othering blacks while whites just get to be Americans
Bro Andrew makes so much sense I’m getting mad for him 🤣🤣🤣
46:06 - yo s/o to Andrew for hitting that Xhosa click yo 😂🙌🏽 that’s the most effort i’ve seen an American put in to pronounce that click . Andrew’s basically African yo 🤷🏽♂️😂
Alex's laugh at "Albino Buffalo" is da best!
Shoutout to Schulzy his patience 😂.
It's like talking to a brick wall, Charlemagne just wasn't listening.
The word “black” is causing so much confusion. People like Charla attach their culture/ethnicity to it. Which actually should be their race. Black culture is an American thing. We Africans don’t have black culture. We have the culture of our country or region. For African Americans being black is both, black as in skin color and black as in ethnic/culture.
Charla killing me on this one. Dude didn't listen to not one word and he has no idea what the difference between nationality and race is😂 I was laughing the entire video
Schulz is spot on with the “African” American argument
He really isn't. he changed his argument right in the middle. It went from "It doesnt make sense for Black People to be called African American because we all know where black people come from" to "Minorities in america shouldnt be labeled from where there ancestors are from" Which people have been saying for YEARS.
not at all
Us foreigners just call you all Americans.
Where exactly was he right at?
@@LB_die_Kaapie facts
Alex saying “we a little confused.” He sounded so defeated 😂😂
If youre a white person with roots from Italy and are born an American, you say youre italian-american. There are a large group of Croatian Texans. There are plenty examples of white people retaining their culture. The problem is when white cultures mix and 5 generations later it’s hard to connect with any one culture. Now youre just “white american” or “white”. Shoutout to all the carribeans telling black Americans about black America though.
Charlemagne reminds everyone each podcast how small that town in South Carolina really is.
I get why Andrew is frustrated... what he's saying is obvious and charlamagne does not get it😂. 31:00
Hopefully drew quits this bs and doubles down on flagrant. Char is a hypocritical child.
I’m not gonna lie they both lost me. Not sure what either are arguing
@@Shortballa11 there's alot of disagreements in this one, but I think the most heated is when drew is explaining that nationality and race aren't the same thing.
If you're born in America you're not African. Elon musk is an African American, bc of where he was born it doesn't matter that he's white, just like it doesn't matter if you're "black" you're just an American.
I am with you, Charla was listening to respond not to understand. I get why Andrew was frustrated because Charla wasn't paying attention to the argument.
Tbh they were both wrong
Charla can't be this dense 😂
why is it so difficult for Charla to get Andrew's point on why black people shouldnt be called African American in USA
Bro the fact that Andrew has this racist as haircut in THIS episode makes this episode so much funniee cause Charla just ain’t getting it and I can almost swear that the haircut is making charla think Andrew’s points are “racist” in a funny way 😂😂😂
I love how the episode started with an ULT RIGHT ANDY joke 😂 but we actually ended up seeing the old toxic trait of CHARLA actively misunderstanding Hezi.
God leeeeeee that was soooo frustrating cuz I understood him the first time he explained that qualifier shit. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Man people really don't realize how dumb charla actually is, like he's really not smart at all.
Charlemagne isn't any kind of special in the brains department, he's a painfully below average thinker
@Ser Jack Burgundy a Knight of the Patriarchy lol yup, he hears someone say something and runs with it for the rest of his life with reading into it. He's the definition of ignorance.
@Ty M I don't understand why he actively tries to take it to the extreme side everytime. You can clearly hear Andrew saying "yo yo yo why you making it sound crazy" in the beginning when he was trying to keep it light and "jokes".
29:32 love the show but this is an example of when they clearly aren’t listening to each other. I think Andy was making sense all the way through.
Nah I’m lost. Was rlly trying to listen bt it seemed like Andrew pulled a Charla and just kept moving the goal post
He was making complete sense. And I don’t see how it’s hard to understand. And I’m black. And Caribbean. And i refer to my race as black. Not whatever country in the Caribbean I’m from lol. That aggravated me lol
@@dvonfelix8088 Facts... Charlamagne is not very Brite. When I was younger, he was one of my favorite entertainers. Now I'm older, I can barely listen to Charlamagne for too long
@@dvonfelix8088 im black. With family roots in the Caribbean. Im just rlly want to know what the point was. Like in one sentence, what was he trying to get across
@@Shortballa11 why are white Americans not organized in subcategories when minorities are
i love Andrew lol " all Woopy have to do is to say the she identify as a gypsi*"
Yo. When Andrew get on his Diplo, the comedy is top tier man! 💀💀💀💀
Cha reads but knows nothing 😂
Reads and dont retain no info. Play dumb to any drama that involves him 😂😂😂 you gotta love it.
Its pretty frustrating since he always acts like he knows everything
His lack of knowledge about the origins of humankind is frightening
Charlemagne legit has a 30 IQ
Listening to Charla makes me feel racist lol. Does he even know that he stole his name from a white guy? Charlemagne the Great, the first Holy Roman Emperor
What the heck is Charlamagne talking about this episode, lol
For real
When wax pulling up to the pod again? Get the gummies 😂
I thought andrews point was so simple. This was sooo drawn out and I enjoyed every minute of it 😂
“If it’s a slur why is it in the dictionary?” Is a profoundly dumb question for a grown man to ask
Charla defending gyped and saying it has multiple meanings now is HILARIOUS cuz you know he would never have the same thought process for the n word or even bitch 🤣🤣
Not the same .
@@marauderad please elaborate
I find it hard to believe he's never heard gyped before.
@Hinds15
Lots of people haven't, lots of places have never seen or known anyone called "gypsies" in the first place.
@@hinds90 he has. he said he never heard jewed before. neither have I. never heard th N word used as a verb either
I totally understood what Andrew was saying, the first time he said it 😂 him getting annoyed is funny asf
what schultz is saying is black people typically trace their ancestry back to africa, even if theyre afro-Caribbean or whatever. its literally what the afro part means. if you ask white ppl about their ancestry they will usually say irish or german or french or italian or australian or english etc. we're talking a few hundred years back, not 20,000 years. so it would make more sense to specify what type of white you are than what type of black. same for asians...theyre phillipino, chinese, cambodian, vietnamese etc. there arent a ton of places that black people in america USUALLY trace their ancestry to. yes i understand there are black people in every country which is why im saying usually. i dont feel as if most black ppl trace back to a specific country i.e. ethiopia zimbabwe egypt etc. i know i dont
Ayo Charlemagne actually has poor social comprehension. He’s not a dummy, but it took him forever to understand what Andrew meant by America inventing “Black people.” Andrew worded it in a humorous double entendre way but Charlemagne just kept talking about the caste system from slavery. Bro…
I take it back…Charlemagne might be a dummy. Just a dummy with a lot of drive and focus. His comprehension suuuuuuucks.
Charla isn't that intelligent, honestly idk why he has such a platform
Never really listened to anything with Charlamagne in it in full, and after hearing him say stuff like slavery is the original sin for white people, I don't think I can take the guy seriously on anything.
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy I think it’s just because he knows how to do radio and he has always said wild shit which garnered clicks. He’s slow but a good salesman.
@@MattHunX Yeah he thinks he’s funny but people only ever laugh because of how ignorant his takes are.
I know this is gonna be lit just from that 4 take intro 😂😂
You know when you overhear two people arguing, then you quickly realize one person is vastly more knowledgeable than the other. So you’re just waiting for the lightbulb to hit the other person but it never comes 😅 this is a lot like that.
As a South African, Schulz is right 🪦. We also call ourselves black globally. Race and nationality are not the same Charla.
Schulz got a haircut by Kim Jong-un barber
Andrew looking like the shadiest mechanic in New York
Or the best it's weird
Intro is amazing thaaank u for all of this lmao😂😂😂
Charla missing a couple brain cells for real
charlas been adopting wax's IQ recently
There was an episode of House MD where Dr. House wanted to upset Gypsy parents of his patient, and he yelled “I can’t believe they gypped me” in the hall way, and they came out of the room fussing at him. So it is a real thing and I’ve been aware of it since I saw that episode in 2006 or 2007.
That being said, it’s not a big deal and ppl make mountains out of mole hills too often.
Y’all should have Dr Oumar as guest 😂🙏🏾
As a South African, Andrew is not far off in his understanding
Seeing Andrew get irritated was the best part of my day 😂he makes good points though.
Charlemagne's commitment to refusing to understand Schulz is so painful to listen to 😂
3:25 How is "Gypsy" a slur for Romanians? Gypsies aren't Romanians. And Romanians don't use Gypsy as a slur, we say "tigani" but again it's not a slur. Gypsies came from India, from the Dalit caste, the "untouchables" their name was "Doma" but somehow it got to become "Roma" then "Romani" and any day now it will become Romanian. That way people will think all Gypsies are Romanians for sure.
The word "Gypsy" comes from "Egyptian" because medieval Europeans never saw any brown people other than Egyptians (which were more of a thing in ancient times).
As a white guy I've always thought it was rude to call black people African American. They're Black Americans. They're born here in America just like most of us. And if you weren't but come here then add the country prefix if you are talking about nationality. My sister in law is south African and immigrated here and is now American. No one calls her African American even though she would be more "qualified" to be called African American than our fellow Americans of the black race. Hopefully my thinking isn't misconstrued. I think the African American label is derogatory to our fellow American brothers and sisters and just another way to separate them as a race.
This podcast is accurately named Brilliant Idiots.😂😂
11:45 - charla acting like he cares about climate change when he sits with disposable plastic bottles on this pod everytime
And flies all over the US every week.
Charla needs to learn more on this topic