Clinton Westwood Yeah he also has a reamer that works the same way, made of a squre bar, and he shims it to make it bigger, so it is a one size fits all. not as accurate as the bought ones I guess but much cheaper.
Do I find it dismaying that I'm using old school tech from 200 years ago... nope. I'm in love with the idea of accumulated knowledge and the advancement of the human species. Ahh, just brought a tear to my eye. No really, I will steal any idea that's been proven to work. I will spend way to much time/money to prove that it works:)
I ran a very slightly undersized drill bit down the bore and locked it on to the drill press table. As I up sized the drill bits, it seem to stay centered.
I know that rifling is a way to make this build legal in the US but what is a rifling really? Can you get away with just some micro grooves in a very slight spiral or do the grooves and pitch have a measurement to meet? What I'm after is that it would make more sense to hava a smooth bore under development stage and then after it's up and popping fix the bells and whistles.
Effective rifling is the only way to stabilize a bullet in flight. Nothing less than some grip to spin the bullet would result in a tumbling inaccurate projectile. Think football without a spin. Lastly, there's a huge legal hurdle to overcome building "zip guns". Like "go to jail" hurdles.I'm less familiar over what constitutes legal rifling. That one should be taken up with your local office.
I understand that copy the profil of a factory made barrel will ensure that your rifling are legal as well. I was just curious if there were some standards to live up to. I live in Sweden so it's a thought crime to even dream about making something like this at home. It's even illegal to have ammo for guns you don't have a licens to own. Fight for your rights.... otherwise you end up like us, mute and dumb.
With such a short barrel, would it be feasible to make a simple hardened rifling button and pushing it through with a shop press? Keep up the good work! Thanks.
why don't you use push button rifling? it is much faster and gives pretty nice results. people in russia who convert pneumatic or blank firing variations of combat weapons(such as mp654 or mr371 both have makarov frame, trigger mechanism and slide of 371 is allmost makarov(easy convertable)) to firearms do use it
It is much more complex to make a rifling button and since it cuts in one pass, you need a much stronger powered drive. Also you need to make a new button for every twist rate, diameter, and groove depth, while with his setup it is easier to just switch out twist rate bars and cutters. . It is possible, there are examples online, but his design is much more applicable for the home gunsmith who plans to make many different designs but isn't ready to drop a lot of time or cash on the prototypes.
of course the problem is that you need a button for any calibre, twist rate, etc and this is a one big disadvantage. powered drive is not a problem, just a clamp or jack is enough. making a button is not that complex as you think, you just need a grinder, speciall clamp(you can make one via welding or use your steady hands for holding grinder but it would be alot more difficult) that can hold blank at different angles to a grinding wheel, blank is a tail of a drillbit(or any other small enough in diameter cylinricall piece of tool steel) turned to neaded shape with a drill and diamond file, drill, diamond files and some time. you can rifle barrels of the same calibers very fast. i even have a some material about rifling barrels that way at home but it is in russian(that method is common for illegal gun makers in russia), but you can still understand alot via pictures and google translate. here is the link vrtp.ru/index.php?showtopic=13044
Eh... the file only cuts in one direction. Stroke forward, lift up return and repeat. Going back and forth dulls the teeth making it slower to do the job. If you use the file sideways, then you can go back and forth sometimes since some files have a cross section kind of pattern for the teeth, but it does still cause some wear. Bastard files are always nice to have when you feel impatient but can't risk going overboard on the bench grinder. I used a hacksaw to make a rifling cutter for a .22 but using the thicker saws all blade like you did sounds smarter. Cant wait. Its nice how you are posting as you go rather than all at once. It gives the viewer a good sense of how long it takes to make this kind of stuff.
Absolutely. I have a full set of number, fractional and letter sizes. I consult the charts and purchase any reamers I need. There's a huge range available, even between those sizes.
Wow, that's a tall order. Depending on which country/state/municipality you live in, there will be any number of methods. Or maybe no way to do it. My particular state doesn't require any registration.
I would call or email the ATF. You would be able to get the correct answer for your State. I know State regulations can vary across the US. I'm suspecting that you will find that you don't have any special registration requirements. Transfer of ownership for a home fab however, is a different thing.
+Clinton Westwood I ordered a barrel but it isn't 1/2 in. like the plans call for its actually 9/16 od. which forces me to either make the chamber reinforcement thinner or I'm going to have to make it a size bigger which will throw the plans for the entire build off, my question is what would you do?
Hi ! which drill press do you use ? i want to pierce right but i'm scared it doesn't work, i have only 300€ to buy one. And do you have any tips to stay right during the process ?
I have a really inexpensive, worn out 10" drill press. It cost me $100 or so 20 years ago. There are methods on youtube on how to drill accurate holes with any drill press.
I think its strange you are building guns but you aren't a reloader. you could buy, or make, 100% lead swagged bullets and push them through your barrels to measure sizes. (if you didn't know).
I am Guessing you live in the USA :) the rest of the world people are not that Fri :( What the Hell where I am living now, you are not allowed to have a knife on your Body, 3 times fines bigger and bigger and the 3 time I dont know what happens if you keep having a knife with you. I love to have a small knife with me for using it when I am fishing or for fruits and I am not allowed!! That is why I always say, If Americans Start exporting their Constitution insted of wars people around the world would love US over night, and that would be a big blow to thoes who has tried for so many years to destroy Us ekonomi nd repetition.Anyways I love to see your video's, I have build some but with Paper :) and Even that I wasnt able to finish them. LOVE YOUR VIDEO's , Keep them COMING, and GOOD LUCK....:)
I've mentioned many times in these comments, that I find it so sad that the "government for the people", are afraid on their own citizens. I can't imagine a place where knives are a frightening tool. I've carried a small knife since I was six years old. It is a most useful tool and never once have I used it in anger or defense.
I do believe, that its because they have some very evil plans, and as soon as they can get rid of Guns in the US, then they can start puting their plan into motion. SO UAS knowingly or unknowingly is the Hope of the humanity, and Offcourse US CONSTITUTION :). I really dont believe in that GUN kills people, Humans do, and if there are some humans that they would harm each other with a pice of metal, they could easily harm others with some pice of something else material :). I haven't red many of your comments. I am new to your site. I find it very very interesting, specially How Clean and Pro you work the metal. I can never sit somewhere too. I love to build something. I am much into fpv and flying robots and planes, but I would love t start designing different House gadgets and I am going to have some machine soon so that I can build and design, and hopefully show and sell it later :). I will be following you. I wish you the best of luck...:)
If u dont mind i i have an airsoft 1911 i paid $70 for Little did i know. Its literally identical to a 1911 almost all parts are the same. But the disconnector broke recently. BUT. Im going to make a 32 cal barrel And a bolt, Extractor and i will need to make proprietary magazines though. But i think its cool because a get a frame, slide trigger group spring assembly and match style trigger and sights. And with a little finesse i'll have a 32 acp 1911 that'll hold maybe 13-15 rounds since it has a wide mag well
It seems that with a few hand tools and ingenuity you can build almost anything. Keep on keeping on.
And you forgot to mention "endless amounts of spare time":)
This build is coming along nicely, always a pleasure when your videos pop up.
I like how you keep reimagining your tooling :).. and thank you for the mention :D.. I can't wait to see how it turns out
I curious as to the success as well.
Interesting redesign of your rifling tool.
This is really more of a traditional method. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.
Looking forward to see the end result. It was worth the wait for that little .25.
This will never go as fast as some viewers want. But it will get done and I hope to the best of my abilities.
Yes, but as I'm natural "pleaser", I want to keep my internet friends engaged:)
are you still making these vids? watching and hoping im not hooked to a dead series
You are talented mate.
Nah, just patient and slow:)
Thank you for sharing this one sir.
May I ask, what is the diametre of your drill bit used in the barrel?
Thank you in advance 👍😊
I'm guessing you have seen the video Colonial gunsmith?
I think if that's the one with the paper shimmed piece like mine, yup. I remember seeing it and I think I heard the light bulb click in my head.
Clinton Westwood Yeah he also has a reamer that works the same way, made of a squre bar, and he shims it to make it bigger, so it is a one size fits all. not as accurate as the bought ones I guess but much cheaper.
Do I find it dismaying that I'm using old school tech from 200 years ago... nope. I'm in love with the idea of accumulated knowledge and the advancement of the human species. Ahh, just brought a tear to my eye. No really, I will steal any idea that's been proven to work. I will spend way to much time/money to prove that it works:)
Nice progress !!! How did you drill the barrel nice and straight.
I ran a very slightly undersized drill bit down the bore and locked it on to the drill press table. As I up sized the drill bits, it seem to stay centered.
You said that you can use 416 for the barrel what about 316 or even 304 / would it still be safe
Not sure about those alloys. This is 4130. I've done the pressure calcs for this one and I'm happy.
did you have to heat treat the barrel
Hay man its nota cryme production in home in America?
I know that rifling is a way to make this build legal in the US but what is a rifling really? Can you get away with just some micro grooves in a very slight spiral or do the grooves and pitch have a measurement to meet? What I'm after is that it would make more sense to hava a smooth bore under development stage and then after it's up and popping fix the bells and whistles.
Effective rifling is the only way to stabilize a bullet in flight. Nothing less than some grip to spin the bullet would result in a tumbling inaccurate projectile. Think football without a spin. Lastly, there's a huge legal hurdle to overcome building "zip guns". Like "go to jail" hurdles.I'm less familiar over what constitutes legal rifling. That one should be taken up with your local office.
I understand that copy the profil of a factory made barrel will ensure that your rifling are legal as well. I was just curious if there were some standards to live up to. I live in Sweden so it's a thought crime to even dream about making something like this at home. It's even illegal to have ammo for guns you don't have a licens to own. Fight for your rights.... otherwise you end up like us, mute and dumb.
Citizens must be controlled in every aspect oft their lives:(
good video and I want see ur rod cut for barrel how work? thank
Thanks. Kind of a new technique for me as well. I'm hoping it'll work out.
damn. that thing is more accurate than my little Keltec .380
I was disappointed I could only hit the paper once at 60'.
With such a short barrel, would it be feasible to make a simple hardened rifling button and pushing it through with a shop press? Keep up the good work! Thanks.
maybe you could weld washers in to a frame and mount it to the rifling device, in order to gain accuracy and less wiggling. greetings from argentina.
Greetings friend. I was thinking of using some bearings to tighten up the screw mechanism. There is room for improvement.
I hope and you can help me I want to do a project like that but I want to know what type of steel you used for your cannon
What? You're not going to burn the powder?!
* burns powder *
Inner child satisfied. ^^
And waste it? Of course not.
Hi could I use a harden bolt as barrel or rebar
Sir , 7.65 mm pistal chamber dimiter ?
why don't you use push button rifling? it is much faster and gives pretty nice results. people in russia who convert pneumatic or blank firing variations of combat weapons(such as mp654 or mr371 both have makarov frame, trigger mechanism and slide of 371 is allmost makarov(easy convertable)) to firearms do use it
It is much more complex to make a rifling button and since it cuts in one pass, you need a much stronger powered drive. Also you need to make a new button for every twist rate, diameter, and groove depth, while with his setup it is easier to just switch out twist rate bars and cutters. . It is possible, there are examples online, but his design is much more applicable for the home gunsmith who plans to make many different designs but isn't ready to drop a lot of time or cash on the prototypes.
of course the problem is that you need a button for any calibre, twist rate, etc and this is a one big disadvantage. powered drive is not a problem, just a clamp or jack is enough. making a button is not that complex as you think, you just need a grinder, speciall clamp(you can make one via welding or use your steady hands for holding grinder but it would be alot more difficult) that can hold blank at different angles to a grinding wheel, blank is a tail of a drillbit(or any other small enough in diameter cylinricall piece of tool steel) turned to neaded shape with a drill and diamond file, drill, diamond files and some time. you can rifle barrels of the same calibers very fast. i even have a some material about rifling barrels that way at home but it is in russian(that method is common for illegal gun makers in russia), but you can still understand alot via pictures and google translate. here is the link vrtp.ru/index.php?showtopic=13044
Why not steel a tooth from a carbide skillsaw blade? You would get a lot more service life from it, and better cutting.
And it would be a wider cut as well. Maybe the next build, or if this fails.
You could get a contractor blade with thick square teeth. Then if you wish, you can grind the tooth to the shape and width you want.
Yeah, next build:)
is it going tô have video today ?
No, sorry. Probably Tuesday.
Eh... the file only cuts in one direction. Stroke forward, lift up return and repeat. Going back and forth dulls the teeth making it slower to do the job. If you use the file sideways, then you can go back and forth sometimes since some files have a cross section kind of pattern for the teeth, but it does still cause some wear. Bastard files are always nice to have when you feel impatient but can't risk going overboard on the bench grinder.
I used a hacksaw to make a rifling cutter for a .22 but using the thicker saws all blade like you did sounds smarter.
Cant wait. Its nice how you are posting as you go rather than all at once. It gives the viewer a good sense of how long it takes to make this kind of stuff.
Yeah, been filing and ruining files for years. It was hot in the garage and I got impatient. I'd rather use tools that are less manual.
Just out of curiosity, do you use indexed drill sizes (numbered/lettered sizes) as well?
Absolutely. I have a full set of number, fractional and letter sizes. I consult the charts and purchase any reamers I need. There's a huge range available, even between those sizes.
Very good.
Thanks. Slow and steady progress.
can you by chance point me in the right direction for getting a homemade gun registered? my searches on legality lead me nowhere fast
Wow, that's a tall order. Depending on which country/state/municipality you live in, there will be any number of methods. Or maybe no way to do it. My particular state doesn't require any registration.
i live in florida if that helps
I would call or email the ATF. You would be able to get the correct answer for your State. I know State regulations can vary across the US. I'm suspecting that you will find that you don't have any special registration requirements. Transfer of ownership for a home fab however, is a different thing.
ok thanks for the info. great channel by the way.
what the machines need for colt pistol
welder, drill press, files, grinder and patience.
+Clinton Westwood thx this auto pistol u made
+Clinton Westwood I ordered a barrel but it isn't 1/2 in. like the plans call for its actually 9/16 od. which forces me to either make the chamber reinforcement thinner or I'm going to have to make it a size bigger which will throw the plans for the entire build off, my question is what would you do?
Hi ! which drill press do you use ? i want to pierce right but i'm scared it doesn't work, i have only 300€ to buy one.
And do you have any tips to stay right during the process ?
I have a really inexpensive, worn out 10" drill press. It cost me $100 or so 20 years ago. There are methods on youtube on how to drill accurate holes with any drill press.
tem como vc mandar esses moldes para o meu email
Nice
what kind of watch is that?
Citizen Eco, Blue Angels commemorative issue.
Clinton Westwood Thanks, might get one. It looks comfortable
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and he comments back damn he needs more views
Is that so strange. I have a much better connection with my viewers if we all stay in touch:)
Please note no reamer used.
I think its strange you are building guns but you aren't a reloader. you could buy, or make, 100% lead swagged bullets and push them through your barrels to measure sizes. (if you didn't know).
At this point in my very newbie hobby, I have no desire to reload. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe someday...
Nice SV
Thanks. And I suspect from your username I know what you ride 😁
Lol, I favorite my Suzuki
Hi could anybody tell me the thickness of the plate he used to form the frame? Thanks
3/4”
I am Guessing you live in the USA :) the rest of the world people are not that Fri :( What the Hell where I am living now, you are not allowed to have a knife on your Body, 3 times fines bigger and bigger and the 3 time I dont know what happens if you keep having a knife with you. I love to have a small knife with me for using it when I am fishing or for fruits and I am not allowed!! That is why I always say, If Americans Start exporting their Constitution insted of wars people around the world would love US over night, and that would be a big blow to thoes who has tried for so many years to destroy Us ekonomi nd repetition.Anyways I love to see your video's, I have build some but with Paper :) and Even that I wasnt able to finish them. LOVE YOUR VIDEO's , Keep them COMING, and GOOD LUCK....:)
I've mentioned many times in these comments, that I find it so sad that the "government for the people", are afraid on their own citizens. I can't imagine a place where knives are a frightening tool. I've carried a small knife since I was six years old. It is a most useful tool and never once have I used it in anger or defense.
I do believe, that its because they have some very evil plans, and as soon as they can get rid of Guns in the US, then they can start puting their plan into motion. SO UAS knowingly or unknowingly is the Hope of the humanity, and Offcourse US CONSTITUTION :). I really dont believe in that GUN kills people, Humans do, and if there are some humans that they would harm each other with a pice of metal, they could easily harm others with some pice of something else material :). I haven't red many of your comments. I am new to your site. I find it very very interesting, specially How Clean and Pro you work the metal. I can never sit somewhere too. I love to build something. I am much into fpv and flying robots and planes, but I would love t start designing different House gadgets and I am going to have some machine soon so that I can build and design, and hopefully show and sell it later :). I will be following you. I wish you the best of luck...:)
wow why spend 20 bucks on a bullet puller when I have a drill press and some extra steel rod ...man you are so cool
...and as cheep as h{ll and can't wait for Mr. UPS/FedEx!
If u dont mind i i have an airsoft 1911 i paid $70 for
Little did i know. Its literally identical to a 1911 almost all parts are the same.
But the disconnector broke recently.
BUT. Im going to make a 32 cal barrel
And a bolt, Extractor and i will need to make proprietary magazines though.
But i think its cool because a get a frame, slide trigger group spring assembly and match style trigger and sights.
And with a little finesse i'll have a 32 acp
1911 that'll hold maybe 13-15 rounds since it has a wide mag well
and now pyrotechnics I think more people should try to produce such high quality/high budget video like this
That was a complete after thought. But I've had lot's of fun doing similar stuff, much to my dad's distress.
Get your self a lathe
Then it wouldn't be a simple garage build. Part of the attraction for my viewers is the simple tool aspect.
Anyway, you are doing a great job man.
Best luck!!!
201th :D nice vid man
Congrats, and thanks.
and he comments back damn he needs more views