It's wild, because I remember an interview with Max with one of the lead developers, and in that interview, max asks the Dev about shamans and if they will be getting some love, and the Dev literally says "I hope so, I will be maining a Shaman, so they better." Guess that was just a lie.
I just love when they remove abilities and that were never taken and putting them In again to say it’s new or just for the sake of changes. Make some new original PvP talents please .
My Enh is 100% benched. Guess I'll reroll Ret so at the very least I can bubble to survive a few seconds before the 2 un-nerfed DHs in every fucking lobby perma CC my entire team then global me.
And yes 5 yrds more range to Cyclone and such is pretty good seeing as how it's 25 yrds instead of 40 like other spells, now making it 30 with the talent.
tranq darts talent removal does nothing now that it dispels 2 effects base lol. all it did was help vs druid melee cleaves cuz dispelling 1 person would dispel both the melees since theyre on each other
I will honestly never understand why blizzard insists on keeping pvp in the core game? Why not make a WOW arenas version of the game that we can start up and have the choices of gear like as in stats but not have to grind then make it so that we have to pay for mogs and then make all the rewards mogs so that people that just want to play pvp can and if they need a break they can just return, it is clear that most can't stand the grinds and if your calling this a competitive game then saying that a player deserves better gear for spending the tie then your all messed up. I know so many people that would love to play arena but they are not willing to go through the BS. If they did this more people would enjoy the game because they then don't have to nerf and buff according to PVE, it would be better for all. People will cry and argue that PVE is the core of the game and say that it was never meant to be a PVP game but watch everyone cry when they take pvp and give it it's own version because most people actually don't care about PVE. I don't mind a little pve in classic now and then but in retail I wouldn't ever think about jumping in a dungeon or raid because it's so mind numbingly boring going into content where it just looks like a light show for nothing
All I know is if another game does this first and the gameplay is similar enough to wow I will be running for it, it's such a broken thing today for a game to force you to get gear to compete and if your a pro crying that you deserve better gear because your higher rated then you can't be that good at the game, just because someone has more friends to play with at the start of a season should never mean they get a massive damage increase to any other players is so backwards, this is the exact reason why WOW is the only competitive game out today with every player being a pro since comp in the game began, there is a reason no younger guys ever come up the ladder and it's time to wake up and move on. Players that only pve seem to think PVP is not part of the game so lets separate them?
So you'll have less gear week 3 than you did before even of you get free weapons. There were many classes that picked up their weapons week 1 and 2 over everything else because their weapons matter a lot. I'm talking 1h melees, 1h caster weps. Almost everyone else picks up weapons week 2. Changing it so you can't even get weapons until week 3 is kind of wild. Does TWW have a bloody token type wpvp guy?
they need to reduce cc. like they already did from odl days, when long cc chains were a thing. but it's not enough. problem is, it takes too much skill for regular players to pull off cc chains and i just hit 2100 on my resto sham. my first 2100 ever. im in tears, the way people play there, every one min maxed, kicks go off every time CD up, micro cc chained one into another, properly chained. shit is just unplayable. and losing rating there is so painful. blizz need to relax it a bit. i also felt like i was literally played same people. took me 2 days, 10 hour sessions to go from 2000 to 2100.
@@clauslarsen8971 seems like u and blizzard dont know that aswell if tweaking a little bit of numbers is game DESIGN nowadays we have a problem but if ur actually thinking "that theyre cooking" or are actually doing something for pvp with a simple balance patch Than u might be the reason that game is shit putting ur expectations so low
@@janl5879 they're not going to re design the game at this point. The changes are good for what the game is. If you want a different type of game, go play that game
Removing JoP and replacing it with instant turn evil is at best a mediocre exchange. JoP was one of the maybe 4 useful PvP talents ret had. Their PvP talents have been gutted to the floor and their are two talents that are standards with two others that are situational. The turn evil talent should have included instant repentance. Only melee that has to cast their cc if talented. And no enhance casting hex is not the same when they can root into hex, drop incapacitator totem, the aoe binding totem or lightning lasso. You can argue that ret can opt for blinding light but that’s not always an option if you run heavy aoe comps or dot comps. Also with all the snares and micro cc in the game JoP helped alleviate classes just completely controlling your character albeit some classes like boom and ele had a bad time keeping up dots it made no difference as they don’t cast regardless 95 percent of the match. Make them hard cast their big dmg, get rid of the 10mil micro roots snares and cc and then the JoP changes and inner fire changes are even across the board
Feral casts clone. Enh casts hex and channels lasso. That about covers hybrid mana melees? "nd no enhance casting hex is not the same when they can root into hex, drop incapacitator totem, " And pala can hoj into it. Or do it off another teammates cc. If they make rep instant, they would have to nerf it. Either reduce duration to 5 seconds again, or give it 45 sec cd instead of 15 to make it more in line with other melee available instant cc. Would you prefer that?
If I had a penny for every time we were told they were making improvements that sound good on paper which is what people overhype, but turns out to be the complete opposite when the day comes.... I'd dethrone Elon Musk.
Good changes tbh. Auto purge/dispel mechanics are stupid and its not fun to play against. I hope they would nerf mobility and gap closers aswell. I think they should also reduce the amount off cc classes have, like what they did with Unholy Dk in these notes. Theres to much cc and micro cc in the game... they should also change mobility for some classes. Beeing able to have 100% uptime against certain classes is not fun.
Grounding totem should be baseline, feral lunge as well as Burrow. Our only burst is Bolt/Blast>Primordial Wave>Bolt/Blast. That's pretty much it. We used to bring utility that other specs didn't but DH's have a purge, and Hunters have a better Greater Purge than we do with Tranq shot being 10 seconds instead of out Greater Purge being 12. Since we don't have mortal wounds we'd add value by purging and having a ranged interrupt and buff totems but that's not unique. We have some of the worst mobilty. Imo bring back Tremor useable while feared as a PvP talent and make crit and vers scaling a thing for enhance.
Blizzard IS* cooking. You’re not a low English Brit with bad grammar. I’m sure your public schooling taught you about IS vs ARE usage.. Blizzard IS one company and we use the singular IS. ‘ARE’ is used when you have more than one subject (plural).
Shaman and Feral players crying that they can’t one shot people with one button. (Feral Frenzy/ Lava Burst) Once again. Just like every other expansion. Yawn. Such pathetic players
Ask them wtf is going on with shaman bro
What is that?
They literally said they are getting a rework
@@zugdigitalx could u point me to this info if pos?
@@zugdigitalx Source? Oh God, please link source
@@StrobeFireStudiosno source he’s trolling
WHERE THE SHAMAN DEVS AT WTF
@landrybt SoD Enhance is the best it's ever been. Decoy Totem and great burst and survivability. It's broken good. I love it.
The who??
They will probably add new stuff in the next update.
I shelfed mine. the class is Dead for this Expansion.
It's wild, because I remember an interview with Max with one of the lead developers, and in that interview, max asks the Dev about shamans and if they will be getting some love, and the Dev literally says "I hope so, I will be maining a Shaman, so they better." Guess that was just a lie.
Ask them if we can get PvP Tooltips please. So hard to track all the modifiers when looking at talent trees and actual abilities
Really cool changes overall. They should really look at shaman a bit more.
ruclips.net/video/9bu64_8ycrM/видео.html Shaman rework.
I just love when they remove abilities and that were never taken and putting them In again to say it’s new or just for the sake of changes. Make some new original PvP talents please .
My Enh is 100% benched. Guess I'll reroll Ret so at the very least I can bubble to survive a few seconds before the 2 un-nerfed DHs in every fucking lobby perma CC my entire team then global me.
Nerfs classes he doesn't play "this is good, I don't think they need it"
13:00 so what ur saying is, I don't have to earn 3600 conquest for my fury weapons in TWW? Bruh, sweet.
Warrior duel can be annoying but they have removed Avatar Bladestorm and howl root
does not change anything avatar bladestorm does no damage anyway lol.
@@CullingBlades maybe it does not „much“ but you avoid a lot of cc and knockbacks plus you slow targets with a talent
The slow was good
Would love to see some news about what's happening with the Shaman class.
3:15 yes it was a talent in the druid tree.
And yes 5 yrds more range to Cyclone and such is pretty good seeing as how it's 25 yrds instead of 40 like other spells, now making it 30 with the talent.
@@LeeQuesada-CoTGaming It's incredibly unhealthy for the game.
I'm unironically convinced that some of these class design teams don't even play the game, let alone the class
_Love these breakdowns and explanations._ *Tyvm for making my commutes much more enticing!*
I just wanna know what beats ret paladin they have been smashing from what I’ve seen
tranq darts talent removal does nothing now that it dispels 2 effects base lol. all it did was help vs druid melee cleaves cuz dispelling 1 person would dispel both the melees since theyre on each other
I will honestly never understand why blizzard insists on keeping pvp in the core game? Why not make a WOW arenas version of the game that we can start up and have the choices of gear like as in stats but not have to grind then make it so that we have to pay for mogs and then make all the rewards mogs so that people that just want to play pvp can and if they need a break they can just return, it is clear that most can't stand the grinds and if your calling this a competitive game then saying that a player deserves better gear for spending the tie then your all messed up. I know so many people that would love to play arena but they are not willing to go through the BS. If they did this more people would enjoy the game because they then don't have to nerf and buff according to PVE, it would be better for all. People will cry and argue that PVE is the core of the game and say that it was never meant to be a PVP game but watch everyone cry when they take pvp and give it it's own version because most people actually don't care about PVE. I don't mind a little pve in classic now and then but in retail I wouldn't ever think about jumping in a dungeon or raid because it's so mind numbingly boring going into content where it just looks like a light show for nothing
All I know is if another game does this first and the gameplay is similar enough to wow I will be running for it, it's such a broken thing today for a game to force you to get gear to compete and if your a pro crying that you deserve better gear because your higher rated then you can't be that good at the game, just because someone has more friends to play with at the start of a season should never mean they get a massive damage increase to any other players is so backwards, this is the exact reason why WOW is the only competitive game out today with every player being a pro since comp in the game began, there is a reason no younger guys ever come up the ladder and it's time to wake up and move on. Players that only pve seem to think PVP is not part of the game so lets separate them?
thats a dogshit idea
These changes are great. I hate when Demon Hunters just dispel an entire row of debuffs, just because. That is fantastic.
You know what’s even more stupid ? 15 debuff on a single target
They won't remove fetal frenzy it's in Thier teir set bonus
So you'll have less gear week 3 than you did before even of you get free weapons.
There were many classes that picked up their weapons week 1 and 2 over everything else because their weapons matter a lot. I'm talking 1h melees, 1h caster weps.
Almost everyone else picks up weapons week 2.
Changing it so you can't even get weapons until week 3 is kind of wild.
Does TWW have a bloody token type wpvp guy?
I hope they don’t have a bloody token guy. I always felt obligated to do all that world pvp early on to keep up with everyone else who has that gear.
I don’t think there’s a single exciting thing on here
NOOOO NOT DEATH SENTENCE NOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!! No more Charging executes! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
No one takes this
I cant see any Shaman changes
Would love to revert some tank nerfs for rbgs
they need to reduce cc. like they already did from odl days, when long cc chains were a thing. but it's not enough. problem is, it takes too much skill for regular players to pull off cc chains and i just hit 2100 on my resto sham. my first 2100 ever. im in tears, the way people play there, every one min maxed, kicks go off every time CD up, micro cc chained one into another, properly chained. shit is just unplayable. and losing rating there is so painful. blizz need to relax it a bit. i also felt like i was literally played same people. took me 2 days, 10 hour sessions to go from 2000 to 2100.
Loosing alpha tiger for fistweaving hurts lol
Duel for warriors should have stayed 8 seconds. Just need them to remove static field totem for rshams and compensate with something less toxic
I been using a haste build on my monk for ages, even with Alpha, no harm done here.
LOL
@@philippofner5766😂
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15 min game of pve rotation is the pvp state in retail
starting to cook? seems like theyre microwaving old food up.. like heres nothing cool or exciting justt some balance changes...
Blizz does nothing: they bitch
Blizz does anything: they bitch
You don't know how game design works, do you?
@@clauslarsen8971 seems like u and blizzard dont know that aswell
if tweaking a little bit of numbers is game DESIGN nowadays we have a problem
but if ur actually thinking "that theyre cooking" or are actually doing something for pvp with a simple balance patch
Than u might be the reason that game is shit putting ur expectations so low
@@janl5879 they're not going to re design the game at this point. The changes are good for what the game is. If you want a different type of game, go play that game
@@clauslarsen8971 ur standarts are so low its kinda disgusting
Also, DKs got shit on while druids got more buffs... Geez.
Removing JoP and replacing it with instant turn evil is at best a mediocre exchange. JoP was one of the maybe 4 useful PvP talents ret had. Their PvP talents have been gutted to the floor and their are two talents that are standards with two others that are situational. The turn evil talent should have included instant repentance. Only melee that has to cast their cc if talented. And no enhance casting hex is not the same when they can root into hex, drop incapacitator totem, the aoe binding totem or lightning lasso. You can argue that ret can opt for blinding light but that’s not always an option if you run heavy aoe comps or dot comps. Also with all the snares and micro cc in the game JoP helped alleviate classes just completely controlling your character albeit some classes like boom and ele had a bad time keeping up dots it made no difference as they don’t cast regardless 95 percent of the match. Make them hard cast their big dmg, get rid of the 10mil micro roots snares and cc and then the JoP changes and inner fire changes are even across the board
Feral casts clone. Enh casts hex and channels lasso.
That about covers hybrid mana melees?
"nd no enhance casting hex is not the same when they can root into hex, drop incapacitator totem, "
And pala can hoj into it. Or do it off another teammates cc.
If they make rep instant, they would have to nerf it. Either reduce duration to 5 seconds again, or give it 45 sec cd instead of 15 to make it more in line with other melee available instant cc. Would you prefer that?
Yes. Remember when repentance was ret-only and was 6 second duration with a 1 minute cooldown? That's the way it should have always been.
If I had a penny for every time we were told they were making improvements that sound good on paper which is what people overhype, but turns out to be the complete opposite when the day comes.... I'd dethrone Elon Musk.
Blizzard, take a hard look at shaman please!!
Feral looks like bye bye. Hopelessness won guys. Officially done with this class.
Cooking with roadkill
WTF is happening with shaman talents suck and they keep nerfing the class !????
F**king love your shirt
reduce cast time on turn evil what a joke devs are
Good changes tbh. Auto purge/dispel mechanics are stupid and its not fun to play against. I hope they would nerf mobility and gap closers aswell. I think they should also reduce the amount off cc classes have, like what they did with Unholy Dk in these notes. Theres to much cc and micro cc in the game... they should also change mobility for some classes. Beeing able to have 100% uptime against certain classes is not fun.
YAAAAAAY 🎉
Enha shaman meta when?!
Grounding totem should be baseline, feral lunge as well as Burrow. Our only burst is Bolt/Blast>Primordial Wave>Bolt/Blast. That's pretty much it. We used to bring utility that other specs didn't but DH's have a purge, and Hunters have a better Greater Purge than we do with Tranq shot being 10 seconds instead of out Greater Purge being 12. Since we don't have mortal wounds we'd add value by purging and having a ranged interrupt and buff totems but that's not unique. We have some of the worst mobilty. Imo bring back Tremor useable while feared as a PvP talent and make crit and vers scaling a thing for enhance.
Rip shamans no class devs dead class.
Basically feral whole dragonflight
With this beard, hairdo, and demeanor (in the first few seconds), Ven looks a bit a Canadian version of Hasan
I also think Poly and fear should have a 12 sec CD
Wtf is this strangulate sh@#. Sp got stun and silence, boomi got cyclon and bash. Locks got 3 abilities to fear but dk need only silence or stun. Wtf
They sat down and asked how can we make ww more unenjoyable and miserable to play then implemented that into everything
just put me in arena,,i dont mind play triple dps vs triple dps....
as a r1xp in eu i can finaly quit this stupid game it just gets worse and worse 😢😢😢 ty for the good memories im out so many years wasted….
Don't mind me, just waiting for Blizz to make Hunters great again
how on earth is it possible that they nerfed dk cc before almost any other class in the game. It has so little cc to begin with
Mes is winning awc and cata tourny on DK it’s his fault
Boring changes
Make enhancement Shaman great again
I know ven dows this for living but Massive cope, this game will be trash. Wow is over for what it once was.
Worst content creator out there
Calling it now. Game will be unplayable. War within is gonna be Shadowlands / Dragonlands duplicate.
Shaman???? 2H ENH WHENNN???? THEY DID SO EASILY ON SOD WHY NOT RETAIL FFSSSS
SODs a dead experience with no players. What’s the conparison you’re trying to make lmao? By your logic if they change retail shaman it will die also.
No one cares about arcane move on
Blizzard IS* cooking. You’re not a low English Brit with bad grammar. I’m sure your public schooling taught you about IS vs ARE usage.. Blizzard IS one company and we use the singular IS. ‘ARE’ is used when you have more than one subject (plural).
0 cool changes pvp is dead
Shaman and Feral players crying that they can’t one shot people with one button. (Feral Frenzy/ Lava Burst) Once again. Just like every other expansion. Yawn. Such pathetic players
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