I still 100% disagree that he NEEDED to lose to Roshi!Chun for personality reasons; he never really had that attitude that Roshi was concerned about. Krillin, on the other hand? Oh yeah.
Throughout all of Z, Vegeta never technically wins a fight. What I mean is that any time he fights someone, he's either so much stronger than his opponent that he beats them without any effort, and if he fights someone that he actually has to put effort into fighting, he always loses. Arlia: No effort Goku: Lost Cui: No effort Dodoria: No effort Zarbon: Lost Zarbon rematch: No effort Guldo: No effort Recoome: Lost Jeice: No effort Frieza: Lost Android 19: No effort Android 18: Lost Semi-Perfect Cell: No effort Perfect Cell: Lost Pui-Pui: No effort Majin Buu: Lost Kid Buu: Lost Beerus: Lost Frieza: Lost Frost: No effort Cabba: No effort Magetta: Won by ring out Hit: Lost Goku Black: Lost Top is probably his first official win, where he fights as hard as he can and ends up winning in the end.
Am I the only one who really really enjoys the Magetta fight, as Vegeta actually has to use his head to win the fight instead of just "punch guy, win"?
Vegeta never lost to Goku. If you remember, Vegeta walked away from a 4v1 fight, with his primary opponent crippled to the extent that he had to be airlifted to a hospital.
@@MasakoX yeah it adds a sense that he isn't just your everyday superhero of justice. But an pure of heart protector/martial artist who fights to improve and reach further and not to win alone.
@@MasakoX As Genki says, he has the most L's, too (including one to Puar **would be two, but Roshi wanted in on that action**). Speaking of this matter, what do you make of AT's will (making Vegeta undefeated against Goku)? Hell of a thing for a shonen battle manga MC to always lose to his "rival". Comes off more as a NEMESIS, I'd say.
I love when I say goku hasn’t beat vegeta and people go he could have the second time if he went ssj3! I’m like that’s the equivalent of saying I could have won that fight if I hadn’t left my gun at home 🥴
Yeah and I think that sending a living creature to the moon is also a death verdict. Even if Monster Carrot could survive there on his own (somehow), the Moon was destroyed twice after that by Jackie Chun and Piccolo but they had no reason to believe that anyone is living on that rock, so it's not really their fault either.
Everyone else may have taken more losses, but Gohan took one of the biggest L's overall when he stopped training entirely there. That was one of the biggest losses from one fight.
Losing is the best teacher there is. Nobody ever learned anything from winning, because when you win, it means you did things right and don't need to question them. If you lost...then you did something wrong and you have to think on what it was so you can correct that the next time.
Harley: >pity Ah, yes. The pity of not having SS3 invented for him (yet). The pity of the jobber form not being able to save its user (as KK failed before it). The pity of...not keeping his promise to Krillin. Speaking of which... Flash: >good person Don't kid yourself. He's a brain-damaged hick of a warrior alien race. A perma-manchild who gleefully murdered all throughout his youth. Vegeta was not spared (by Krillin) out of mercy or seeing some potential for him to change. Not at all. Gokek even notes as much. No, it was a selfish, stupid want for a challenge (a rematch he might actually win **except he dodges it for a decade and gets 2-0'd**). Crippleku was totally outclassed and notes as much as if it were necessary to state the obvious. NOTE: If you kids need a REMINDER, I don't mind helping out.
@@DimkaSulegnaa While we're adding to this list, I'd like to REMIND that Puar is undefeated against Gokek, too. 1-0 (would be 2-0, but Roshi wanted a free win, too). Popo is another. Korin, too.
Dragon Ball Sai and Super Vegeta Den are fanmade spin offs with Vegeta taking Goku's place in Dragon Ball. With Vegeta fighting Raditz, Nappa, and Goku in the Saiyan Saga. It's actually really good fanfiction that actually kind of makes me disappointed that Goku is the protagonist.
6:38 Masako, I love ya' man, but could we not perpetuate the idea that Goku intentionally risked the universe with the ToP. All he did was suggest a multi-universe tournament just like the Universe 6 Vs 7 tournament. Just a good bit of fun and excitement for him and the Zenos It was the Zenos and the Grand Priest who decided to use it as way to weed out the weaker universes, and that they were simply just gonna erase the universes before Goku's suggestion (that's what they said, in reality it was all a test to prove the worthiness of mortals as revealed by the final episode)
I feel like it’s isn’t just the ToP though, not speaking about Masako specifically, just that the fandom really loves ragging on Goku for every little thing for some reason. I mean the only act Goku ever does that can be considered 100% truly selfish is sparing Vegeta and MAAAYBE staying 7 extra months in Yardrat, although that wasn’t really selfish just a necessity to learn IT. But that’s it, everything else Goku does is multi-motivated both for self serving and selfless reasons and all motives hold equal value to his character. But no, just because of that 1 occasion he’s a now a selfish unloving uncaring monster. Weird
I just saw something about the latest Manga arc. I don't really read the manga but if the series starts again with said arc I can easily see it becoming a problem for Frieza and him enlisting Goku and gang as allies of convenience. He's not there yet but I can see him softening up like Vegeta eventually maybe in 2-3 arcs.
Idk Masaku, I think we can count Tamborine, the goons in muscle tower, and Possibly Tao. (Depending if you consider his power up from Zenkai Boost, or Muscle Tower and Korin, that one’s debatable.🤷🏻♀️)
I honestly expected Jiren winning the Tournament of Power and wishing for the return of every universe, making Goku realize he put his entire universe in danger only because he wanted to fight someone stronger (and finding one). Goku realizing if jiren wasn't a good guy he a his firends would've gone for good. (Of course Jiren ended up being a jerk and Goku learning nothing)
@WikiThis Didn't they say they were expecting the winner to wish all universes back to prove those universes were worthy of being kept alive? Also it is not like the shock of losing your universe at the moment has no impact. Ex. My sister dissapeared in a "mall" on a dangerous zone. No phone calls were reaching her. We spent hours looking for her thinking the worse had happened. She appeared a couple of hours later with her friend and told us they were robbed while they were walking to our meeting place. Her friend had a panic a attack and she had to walk inside to later on getting to her place via another route thanks to a restaurant worker. In the end they were not entirely in danger (aside for the moment they were robbed) but that didn't meant our whole family was laughing minutes later. We were happy she came back unharmed, but we also developed some protocols for this kind of situations and we are grateful we haven't had to implement them. So yeah I guess if in the end there are no fatal consequences doesn't mean you don't change at all.
@WikiThis If the entire end result was a deception from the start, why would you trust anything they said? It was outright stated after the fact that, had Android 17 wished for anything except the return of those other universes, all participating universes would've been erased permanently. The entire thing, from the start, was a test to see if those universes were worthy of surviving. Telling them that they had planned to erase those universes even before the tournament was suggested, that was a psychological play. It allows the universes to justify keeping the others erased, as that had been the "plan" all along. The entire tournament was designed as a test, each and every aspect of it. Including the story of why the tournament was occurring in the first place.
I was thinking about how little Goku has WON matches recently. Lol. It really recontextualizes the whole "goku is OP Goku always gets the baddie" trope.
hey masoko love your channel , just a question can you do a what if the time nest with trunks abd supreme kai of time along with the time patrolers were teleported to earth permanently by towa fell days after the cell saga , it would be cool to vegeta interacting with the saiyan patrolers and buu and piccolo with other namekians and buu race and even frieza's race patrolers what you think ?
I know that power levels are done with pretty much, but after the tournament of power I wonder what Krillin's power level is. I would to see Krillin fight a Goku at that same power level. I would love to see that. I know, know, know, dumb, but the anime in my head looks really cool right now :-)
Hey I don't really comment as much but I watch your videos Would you be interested in this what if....What if Broly trained with jiren after the events of DBS:BR?
I know this is about character arc but now I'm wondering...who is the most winningest character? Krillin, Roshi, Yamcha, Piccolo, Gohan? Most wins and highest win to lose ratio.
I was waiting for this but- Goku is in more ways than one a winner, he's done something that many struggle to do- he's managed to connect fans around the globe to one IP- honestly he's the best winner of us all.
His losses in short are like John Cena’s losses, they always come with sone sort of handicap or condition, rarely any consequences, and he always has the opportunity to come back and put up the best fight regardless. When people say he always loses, they ignore the conditions in which he lost, and in the end they don’t really matter anyway.
>always with a handicap or condition Handicap as in being inferior in power, technique, etc.? Like his brain-damage? Condition like his body got broken to match his mind? What are you babbling about with this "always" (absolutes are absolutely tricky business **only takes one exception to bring them down**) business? Vegeta washed his candy ass. Your copes won't save you with the first of the two (TWO **as in 2-0**) victories (with no losses). >in the bed Where Gokek is 0-2 against Chi-Chi (the Kissless)?
The only condition that applies to any of Goku's losses is the 22nd Tournament against Tien...he only lost due to a technicality, because he basically knocked Tien out with that last attack. So he won, but hitting the ground first means he lost. He's never handicapped...when the fight actually matters anyway.
13:35 You know? I was sort of hoping for Krillin to have a moment in the tournament of power. Is a stupid cheesy thing, but ala when Vegeta was holding for Goku. Just Krillin instead. The smallest member of the team against the strongest warrior holding for his friend to recover. Not that he could do anything against him but for sure he would have tried.
World Tournaments 21-23: Goku pushes himself in order to win, with the help of his friends. Tournament of Power: Goku pushes Jiren in order to lose, with the help of Frieza.
So when you lose and fail you can only rise again stronger and better and overcome that lose and learn from it, or you just simply lose and never evolve as a person. I like it.
I love Krillin cause he’s down to clown, they be like sooo evil threat that goku and vegeta can’t beat is coming down the street and he just goes *sigh* guess I gotta go shave my head
something not related to the video: i find intresting thst ever since dragon ball z theres always people that are against training for believing that there couldnt be a stronger oponent to face than piccolo, cell or buu
Two teams. Two Saiyans. Two diets. One goal. It won't be easy. The Z Warriors will be pushed to their physical and emotional limits. However, instead of counting power levels, the winner will be counting zenni. Will they survive the challenges, and each other? In the end, the biggest loser... will be the biggest _winner._
Goku really doesn't win as much as people think he does, unless you allow the movies to skew your perception. Then for the most part then you'd be right lol.
You know who has the biggest loss in the entire franchise? Future Trunks. He repeatedly lost against the androids, before repeatedly losing against Goku Black, and then lost an entire MULTIVERSE. Poor guy can’t catch a break.
@@Hawkcam1996 I agree with you, actually. I was just joking about future Gohan (which I think is the most interesting and sad character of the franchise), and his arm...
Seriously, saying Majin Vegita's love for his family made him sacrifice himself is saying much. Majin Vegita is pretty much an allegory for a middle-aged man looking at his current life, feeling unsatisfied and wanting to recapture the glory of his carefree youth. After choosing to throw his life away to feel young again, he realizes what he did and kills himself because he can't own up to it. The "omg Vegita lub his kid he hugge him" bit is just cringe...
That what if goku won against Jackie series is my least favorite as it's so far from goku's personality. Not in the good way like the what if Cell turned good series
@@dontmisunderstand6041 No I mean I just don't think it would have gone down the way that masako has portrayed this. It's not in gokus nature even at that point when he was a kid. If he won it wouldn't have changed anything except that he won. It's kid goku
@@supershenron9162 I personally think you're both wrong, honestly. Masako's interpretation of that what-if is quite extreme, but it'd also be silly to suggest that Goku wouldn't change at all. Master Roshi took efforts to curb Goku's arrogant, prideful nature... something that we see become more and more prominent as Goku continues to find less and less legitimate competition. Not only is it more prominent to the audience, it's apparent to the other members of the cast, and they point it out as early as the Namek Saga of Z.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 He wouldn't though not really not any other opponent has ever really changed him after hes won except for maybe focused him a little bit more
@@supershenron9162 That makes his defeat at the hands of Jackie Chun all the more important. The Dragon Ball storyline extends for 30 some odd years, and Goku only really gets humbled by his opponents 4 or 5 times. A very clear growing problem happens with his character, losing one of so precious few events that curb the problem is huge.
I'm still fascinated about the fact that even Vegeta believes Goku defeated him. And that never happened. Vegeta outclassed Goku and only "lost" to the Deus Ex-Machina that is the sudden growth of a second tail... Just amazing.
@@IvyHilts I think Vegeta has gotten so used to curbstomping folks that he's mentally unprepared to actually have to fight someone. Semi-Perfect Cell was clearly " his bad " and Majin Buu was clearly way to broken in power to overcome. Still training with Goku and training against Goku is not entirely fighting against him and is generally great for both characters power wise. But is not so great when you have to fight against something wholly different like the manga Moro for example.
Sure don't know how Cell would have the energy to destroy the planet after his fight with Kakarot. Maybe if a CLOWN gave him a senzu he'd have enough. Even in his semi-perfect form he had enough.
@@bhgameman We don't actually know that. In fact, it could easily be said that the Super Saiyan 3 transformation takes Goku such a long time to actually pull off that doing it mid-battle would be nearly impossible against such an evenly matched opponent. And even if Vegeta just let him do it, there's no guarantee Goku would have the time remaining on earth to secure a win once he did pull out Super Saiyan 3. And we don't really know how the battle would've ended if that cheap shot didn't happen, either.
Sorry, but to me, Db Super is NOT Canon, its destroys a lot of established lore, and deconstructs a lot of characters, main characters like Goku, Piccoro, Gohan and more
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AMAZING Video Discussion, @MasakoX
I still 100% disagree that he NEEDED to lose to Roshi!Chun for personality reasons; he never really had that attitude that Roshi was concerned about. Krillin, on the other hand? Oh yeah.
Interesting. Never thought of Goku in that way.
@Order Power what the Hell man?
Keep them up fam one love homie
Throughout all of Z, Vegeta never technically wins a fight. What I mean is that any time he fights someone, he's either so much stronger than his opponent that he beats them without any effort, and if he fights someone that he actually has to put effort into fighting, he always loses.
Arlia: No effort
Goku: Lost
Cui: No effort
Dodoria: No effort
Zarbon: Lost
Zarbon rematch: No effort
Guldo: No effort
Recoome: Lost
Jeice: No effort
Frieza: Lost
Android 19: No effort
Android 18: Lost
Semi-Perfect Cell: No effort
Perfect Cell: Lost
Pui-Pui: No effort
Majin Buu: Lost
Kid Buu: Lost
Beerus: Lost
Frieza: Lost
Frost: No effort
Cabba: No effort
Magetta: Won by ring out
Hit: Lost
Goku Black: Lost
Top is probably his first official win, where he fights as hard as he can and ends up winning in the end.
Am I the only one who really really enjoys the Magetta fight, as Vegeta actually has to use his head to win the fight instead of just "punch guy, win"?
If hardly count his fight with goku on earth as a loss Goku was out of the fight way before Vegeta was
Vegeta never lost to Goku. If you remember, Vegeta walked away from a 4v1 fight, with his primary opponent crippled to the extent that he had to be airlifted to a hospital.
also he beat goku in the buu saga
@@therealzainn Goku sort of allowed it by not using SS3
It really is way too Ironic he takes most L's in the series.
It's so surreal that the main character doesn't have the most Ws.
@@MasakoX yeah it adds a sense that he isn't just your everyday superhero of justice.
But an pure of heart protector/martial artist who fights to improve and reach further and not to win alone.
@Dalis918 It IsN't OvEr YeT!
@Dalis918 I honestly wish they would just let you play as Goku in those fights, I couldn't care less about the CaC.
@@MasakoX As Genki says, he has the most L's, too (including one to Puar **would be two, but Roshi wanted in on that action**). Speaking of this matter, what do you make of AT's will (making Vegeta undefeated against Goku)? Hell of a thing for a shonen battle manga MC to always lose to his "rival". Comes off more as a NEMESIS, I'd say.
Goku got his body taken by Captain Ginyu. Making him tonights biggest loser.
LMAO, impractical jokers right?
Considering he technically gained weight, yes.
@@Waxican yuh
Actually think this is why we all like Bardock he had no chance but still tried to stop Frieza anyways.
High Marshal Helbrecht
Agreed
#001 And as such, he ended up defeating Frieza('s ancestor) instead. Not sure if it's canon but hey at least Bardock got one in!
bulbasaur15
Definitely not canon
I've seen a meme once that said something like "dbz is about goku getting pissed off and then he wins". Dude, goku didn't even win against vegeta.
Daniel Modesto
Indeed
For what it's worth if anyone says that and mean it hasn't watched the series....Though it is kinda true for most of the movies however...
I love when I say goku hasn’t beat vegeta and people go he could have the second time if he went ssj3! I’m like that’s the equivalent of saying I could have won that fight if I hadn’t left my gun at home 🥴
@@alexgrey7972 I wouldn’t call that a win for either
Goku murdered tons of red ribbon army guys...
Yeah and I think that sending a living creature to the moon is also a death verdict. Even if Monster Carrot could survive there on his own (somehow), the Moon was destroyed twice after that by Jackie Chun and Piccolo but they had no reason to believe that anyone is living on that rock, so it's not really their fault either.
@@NaoyaYami according to Toriyama the rabbit gang are still alive.
@@HeroponAlexander Oh, okay. I wonder how, but okay.
@@NaoyaYami apparently they escaped before Roshi blew the moon up
And I thought Vegeta had a hard time losing.
Goku takes the most L's and beatdowns though
@@Leon-mv1bn no thats vegeta
@@topvilleleo6639
No that's Krillin.
@@RegBeta no that's yamcha
Everyone else may have taken more losses, but Gohan took one of the biggest L's overall when he stopped training entirely there. That was one of the biggest losses from one fight.
So wait.... We need to make a ratio Win/losses for everyone dragon team members now. Id be curious.
"For the time they are a CHANGE NOW!" Love that intro
I don't recall Goku going through an intense weight loss game show.
Imagine if Krillin had his own spinoff- Sanchez would be amazing
What
@SMD sth91 No
@SMD sth91 Reincarnated as Yamcha, but Yamcha plays himself
i loved yamcha in DB but then he got character assassinated in DBZ
@@commonviewer2488 That fan manga is Dragonball Z Elsewhere....
Losing is the best teacher there is.
Nobody ever learned anything from winning, because when you win, it means you did things right and don't need to question them. If you lost...then you did something wrong and you have to think on what it was so you can correct that the next time.
Goku has never beaten Raditz, Vegeta, Ginyu, Cell, Majin Buu, Goku Black, Jiren.
I'd say Genkidama counts so Kid Buu yes. Also Jiren was defeated before Goku lost MUI.
Harley: >pity
Ah, yes. The pity of not having SS3 invented for him (yet). The pity of the jobber form not being able to save its user (as KK failed before it). The pity of...not keeping his promise to Krillin. Speaking of which...
Flash: >good person
Don't kid yourself. He's a brain-damaged hick of a warrior alien race. A perma-manchild who gleefully murdered all throughout his youth. Vegeta was not spared (by Krillin) out of mercy or seeing some potential for him to change. Not at all. Gokek even notes as much. No, it was a selfish, stupid want for a challenge (a rematch he might actually win **except he dodges it for a decade and gets 2-0'd**). Crippleku was totally outclassed and notes as much as if it were necessary to state the obvious.
NOTE: If you kids need a REMINDER, I don't mind helping out.
@shogun harlem haven't you seen the first fight
You forgot Roshi, Beerus and Broly.
@@DimkaSulegnaa While we're adding to this list, I'd like to REMIND that Puar is undefeated against Gokek, too. 1-0 (would be 2-0, but Roshi wanted a free win, too). Popo is another. Korin, too.
"When his Friends need him, he is always there and losing only makes his will even stronger"
So he gets willpower Zenkai Boosts
Just like Saiyans getting stronger from near death. Goku losing only makes him come back stronger.
Imagine if Vegeta had his own Spinoff
Dragon Ball Sai and Super Vegeta Den are fanmade spin offs with Vegeta taking Goku's place in Dragon Ball. With Vegeta fighting Raditz, Nappa, and Goku in the Saiyan Saga.
It's actually really good fanfiction that actually kind of makes me disappointed that Goku is the protagonist.
Dragonball V
Wyndell Lee although I need this what would be about and when would it take place
Goku would show up at the end of each arc and take all his kills...
@@AndrewAce. That would make Goku the ultimate villain of that particular story :D
6:38
Masako, I love ya' man, but could we not perpetuate the idea that Goku intentionally risked the universe with the ToP.
All he did was suggest a multi-universe tournament just like the Universe 6 Vs 7 tournament.
Just a good bit of fun and excitement for him and the Zenos
It was the Zenos and the Grand Priest who decided to use it as way to weed out the weaker universes, and that they were simply just gonna erase the universes before Goku's suggestion (that's what they said, in reality it was all a test to prove the worthiness of mortals as revealed by the final episode)
Yeah but goku's personality in super is still very wrong, that was too selfish.
Thank you people keep bringing up ToP as an excuse to rag on goku when it makes no sense.
It's more that he was willing to take risks on a universal scale.
I feel like it’s isn’t just the ToP though, not speaking about Masako specifically, just that the fandom really loves ragging on Goku for every little thing for some reason. I mean the only act Goku ever does that can be considered 100% truly selfish is sparing Vegeta and MAAAYBE staying 7 extra months in Yardrat, although that wasn’t really selfish just a necessity to learn IT. But that’s it, everything else Goku does is multi-motivated both for self serving and selfless reasons and all motives hold equal value to his character. But no, just because of that 1 occasion he’s a now a selfish unloving uncaring monster. Weird
@@omaryasser8346
Maybe giving Cell a senzu bean right before fighting his son, wasn't the best idea either.
I just saw something about the latest Manga arc. I don't really read the manga but if the series starts again with said arc I can easily see it becoming a problem for Frieza and him enlisting Goku and gang as allies of convenience. He's not there yet but I can see him softening up like Vegeta eventually maybe in 2-3 arcs.
0:21 Android 16: "Down you go!"
*Lythero Intensifies*
Hey MasakoX i got a idea About a what if characters turned good you can do a theory about bojack turned or he's gang YOU CAN DO THAT
Masako: *is making thumbnail*
Lythero: *while playing DBFZ* “allow me to introduce myself” *dunks a Goku*
Slender Man 186 it’s even the green one
Naqnom that’s what made me immediately think of Lythero
Idk Masaku, I think we can count Tamborine, the goons in muscle tower, and Possibly Tao. (Depending if you consider his power up from Zenkai Boost, or Muscle Tower and Korin, that one’s debatable.🤷🏻♀️)
Imagine if you can’t imagine anything
I honestly expected Jiren winning the Tournament of Power and wishing for the return of every universe, making Goku realize he put his entire universe in danger only because he wanted to fight someone stronger (and finding one). Goku realizing if jiren wasn't a good guy he a his firends would've gone for good.
(Of course Jiren ended up being a jerk and Goku learning nothing)
@WikiThis Didn't they say they were expecting the winner to wish all universes back to prove those universes were worthy of being kept alive?
Also it is not like the shock of losing your universe at the moment has no impact.
Ex. My sister dissapeared in a "mall" on a dangerous zone. No phone calls were reaching her. We spent hours looking for her thinking the worse had happened. She appeared a couple of hours later with her friend and told us they were robbed while they were walking to our meeting place. Her friend had a panic a attack and she had to walk inside to later on getting to her place via another route thanks to a restaurant worker. In the end they were not entirely in danger (aside for the moment they were robbed) but that didn't meant our whole family was laughing minutes later. We were happy she came back unharmed, but we also developed some protocols for this kind of situations and we are grateful we haven't had to implement them. So yeah I guess if in the end there are no fatal consequences doesn't mean you don't change at all.
@WikiThis If the entire end result was a deception from the start, why would you trust anything they said? It was outright stated after the fact that, had Android 17 wished for anything except the return of those other universes, all participating universes would've been erased permanently. The entire thing, from the start, was a test to see if those universes were worthy of surviving. Telling them that they had planned to erase those universes even before the tournament was suggested, that was a psychological play. It allows the universes to justify keeping the others erased, as that had been the "plan" all along. The entire tournament was designed as a test, each and every aspect of it. Including the story of why the tournament was occurring in the first place.
Gohan got Goku a "World's Greatest Loser" mug for Father's Day
Goku:Aight,am about to let my opponent power up.
Whoa..not even including Yakkon! The biggest Bad!
I was thinking about how little Goku has WON matches recently. Lol. It really recontextualizes the whole "goku is OP Goku always gets the baddie" trope.
hey masoko love your channel , just a question can you do a what if the time nest with trunks abd supreme kai of time along with the time patrolers were teleported to earth permanently by towa fell days after the cell saga , it would be cool to vegeta interacting with the saiyan patrolers and buu and piccolo with other namekians and buu race and even frieza's race patrolers what you think ?
This is an important lesson I’ve forgotten about along the way with multiplayer games. I’ll try my best to keep it in mind.
I know that power levels are done with pretty much, but after the tournament of power I wonder what Krillin's power level is. I would to see Krillin fight a Goku at that same power level. I would love to see that. I know, know, know, dumb, but the anime in my head looks really cool right now :-)
Hey I don't really comment as much but I watch your videos Would you be interested in this what if....What if Broly trained with jiren after the events of DBS:BR?
I have an idea for a video
What’s your thought on the ocean dub
Music
Voices
Ect
I know this is about character arc but now I'm wondering...who is the most winningest character?
Krillin, Roshi, Yamcha, Piccolo, Gohan? Most wins and highest win to lose ratio.
When is the next episode of what if bulma trained like goku
13:33 - 13:45 And that’s why Krillin is my favourite character!
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Oh Goku joined a weight loss program. Good for him.
I was waiting for this but- Goku is in more ways than one a winner, he's done something that many struggle to do- he's managed to connect fans around the globe to one IP- honestly he's the best winner of us all.
You should do a what if about if beerus never became a god of destruction
So masako, what Dragon Ball crossovers have you discuss so far or rather which ones would you like to explore with??
Woke up really early for this spoiler was not disappointed
His losses in short are like John Cena’s losses, they always come with sone sort of handicap or condition, rarely any consequences, and he always has the opportunity to come back and put up the best fight regardless. When people say he always loses, they ignore the conditions in which he lost, and in the end they don’t really matter anyway.
>always with a handicap or condition
Handicap as in being inferior in power, technique, etc.? Like his brain-damage? Condition like his body got broken to match his mind? What are you babbling about with this "always" (absolutes are absolutely tricky business **only takes one exception to bring them down**) business? Vegeta washed his candy ass. Your copes won't save you with the first of the two (TWO **as in 2-0**) victories (with no losses).
>in the bed
Where Gokek is 0-2 against Chi-Chi (the Kissless)?
The only condition that applies to any of Goku's losses is the 22nd Tournament against Tien...he only lost due to a technicality, because he basically knocked Tien out with that last attack. So he won, but hitting the ground first means he lost.
He's never handicapped...when the fight actually matters anyway.
Goku had help with kid buu
I have an interesting what if for you masako: What if tfs does the buu saga?
13:35 You know? I was sort of hoping for Krillin to have a moment in the tournament of power. Is a stupid cheesy thing, but ala when Vegeta was holding for Goku. Just Krillin instead. The smallest member of the team against the strongest warrior holding for his friend to recover. Not that he could do anything against him but for sure he would have tried.
Lawrence, while you usually make Dragon Ball-themed videos, I certainly hope you'll eventually make some One Punch Man-themed videos, here and there.
witch what if would be better?
1.what if goku was never born?
2. what if grandpa gohan came back to life?
Tenma the Saiyan Uchiha Also What if Goku married Suno
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Many Red Ribbon Army soldiers.
Buyon
Pirate Robot
Captain Yellow
Ninja Murasaki
Staff Officer Black
Tambourine
Drum
Copy Vegeta
Goku won every fight he took till he met Tao. From that point onward he started losing to grow, with some wins in the middle.
BuT GoKu AlWaYs WiNs
Discussion on Ginyu?
Guy switches bodies as a hobby. Who knows how many bodies he's had over the years.
Salza.
@@thecrowe20 what
@Pokémaniac Guquiz he means Salza supposedly knows what Ginyu’s original body was
@@Hawkcam1996 was that not Jeice?
**zarbon moans**
Why does everyone act like goku wasn't selfish before super?
Basically, losing makes everyone better.
When people saying Goku never defeated vegeta,tell them Goku did Much Much worse than Defeat (Vegeta Standard)
I just realized Goku has not won many battles
In DBZ and DBS
I still want Majin Piccolo...
It won't work. Evil in Piccolo is gone
World Tournaments 21-23: Goku pushes himself in order to win, with the help of his friends.
Tournament of Power: Goku pushes Jiren in order to lose, with the help of Frieza.
So, he really hasn't won much, barring maybe the movies
With the movies, having Goku take the win is an easy way to wrap things up in a 40-50 minute timeframe.
So when you lose and fail you can only rise again stronger and better and overcome that lose and learn from it, or you just simply lose and never evolve as a person.
I like it.
so may people are fluent to the art of losing like goku, yancha and vegeta
GOKU: the biggest loser?
Me: No, we all know who is the biggest losser, Yamcha
I love Krillin cause he’s down to clown, they be like sooo evil threat that goku and vegeta can’t beat is coming down the street and he just goes *sigh* guess I gotta go shave my head
Vegeta is the character I feel benefits the most from his losses
When's nappa what if?
What if gokus pod landed in penguin village? Fun way to merge slump manga and dragon ball
What if piccolo jr. Won against goku?
did u give goku voice in dbz adbriged
Yes.
something not related to the video:
i find intresting thst ever since dragon ball z theres always people that are against training for believing that there couldnt be a stronger oponent to face than piccolo, cell or buu
Two teams. Two Saiyans. Two diets. One goal.
It won't be easy. The Z Warriors will be pushed to their physical and emotional limits.
However, instead of counting power levels, the winner will be counting zenni.
Will they survive the challenges, and each other? In the end, the biggest loser... will be the biggest _winner._
Goku really doesn't win as much as people think he does, unless you allow the movies to skew your perception. Then for the most part then you'd be right lol.
You know who has the biggest loss in the entire franchise? Future Trunks. He repeatedly lost against the androids, before repeatedly losing against Goku Black, and then lost an entire MULTIVERSE. Poor guy can’t catch a break.
At least he didn't lost his arm...
True, but I’m sure he’d rather lose an arm than everything he was fighting for and then some.
@@Hawkcam1996 I agree with you, actually. I was just joking about future Gohan (which I think is the most interesting and sad character of the franchise), and his arm...
"Bad Winner"?
... Jiiireeeen?
Goku win loss ratio is horrible really but he is the master of the zenkai boost comeback.
This was on my mind for awhile, which I like, I'm glad he's not unbeatable and far from perfect, just like Superman who some think he is.
Seriously, saying Majin Vegita's love for his family made him sacrifice himself is saying much.
Majin Vegita is pretty much an allegory for a middle-aged man looking at his current life, feeling unsatisfied and wanting to recapture the glory of his carefree youth. After choosing to throw his life away to feel young again, he realizes what he did and kills himself because he can't own up to it.
The "omg Vegita lub his kid he hugge him" bit is just cringe...
Besides you don't want to diss on the character you voice in TFS
Goku got humilated by golden frieza
Goku got one shot by black frieza
Broly makes gokh trampolined
vegeta always beat goku
goku got crash his bone
Saitama really wanted to help.
Burter?
9:23 are hinting at your next what-if?
Beat hit in the rematch
We just ignoring the red ribbon army out here
No, Sal is
Oh yea it’s Thursday.
1ad every two p that's a lot of ads for a 15-minute video
Im suprised he has more L's than frickin Vegeta
If you lose, say nothing.
If you win, say even less.
YES
goku procreated and is the main character of the series.
yamcha ,tien and choatzu ..... lmao
That what if goku won against Jackie series is my least favorite as it's so far from goku's personality. Not in the good way like the what if Cell turned good series
That's the entire point, that's why Roshi disguised himself as Jackie Chun in the first place. To prevent that reality.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 No I mean I just don't think it would have gone down the way that masako has portrayed this. It's not in gokus nature even at that point when he was a kid. If he won it wouldn't have changed anything except that he won. It's kid goku
@@supershenron9162 I personally think you're both wrong, honestly. Masako's interpretation of that what-if is quite extreme, but it'd also be silly to suggest that Goku wouldn't change at all. Master Roshi took efforts to curb Goku's arrogant, prideful nature... something that we see become more and more prominent as Goku continues to find less and less legitimate competition. Not only is it more prominent to the audience, it's apparent to the other members of the cast, and they point it out as early as the Namek Saga of Z.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 He wouldn't though not really not any other opponent has ever really changed him after hes won except for maybe focused him a little bit more
@@supershenron9162 That makes his defeat at the hands of Jackie Chun all the more important. The Dragon Ball storyline extends for 30 some odd years, and Goku only really gets humbled by his opponents 4 or 5 times. A very clear growing problem happens with his character, losing one of so precious few events that curb the problem is huge.
Wolverine is the original One Punch Man and Vegeta never lost to Goku.
Just the facts folks.
I'm still fascinated about the fact that even Vegeta believes Goku defeated him. And that never happened. Vegeta outclassed Goku and only "lost" to the Deus Ex-Machina that is the sudden growth of a second tail... Just amazing.
@@IvyHilts I think Vegeta has gotten so used to curbstomping folks that he's mentally unprepared to actually have to fight someone.
Semi-Perfect Cell was clearly " his bad " and Majin Buu was clearly way to broken in power to overcome.
Still training with Goku and training against Goku is not entirely fighting against him and is generally great for both characters power wise.
But is not so great when you have to fight against something wholly different like the manga Moro for example.
"winning" define victory condition. Technically Goku "won" against Cell if Cell lost enough energy to be unable to destroy the planet.
Sure don't know how Cell would have the energy to destroy the planet after his fight with Kakarot. Maybe if a CLOWN gave him a senzu he'd have enough. Even in his semi-perfect form he had enough.
This is Yakon erasure
Hello
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.
First time yeah, but Buu Saga was a cheap win that he wouldn't have gotten in an on guard fight.
@@bhgameman
Plus Vegeta soon realized Goku was holding back during that fight because he busted out Super Saiyan 3 later.
@@bhgameman We don't actually know that. In fact, it could easily be said that the Super Saiyan 3 transformation takes Goku such a long time to actually pull off that doing it mid-battle would be nearly impossible against such an evenly matched opponent. And even if Vegeta just let him do it, there's no guarantee Goku would have the time remaining on earth to secure a win once he did pull out Super Saiyan 3. And we don't really know how the battle would've ended if that cheap shot didn't happen, either.
Nice bob dylan reference
16 shall dunk all the Gokus
Someone tag lythero
9:46 Then in that case why not try What If Piccolo Never Turned Good?
Sorry, but to me, Db Super is NOT Canon, its destroys a lot of established lore, and deconstructs a lot of characters, main characters like Goku, Piccoro, Gohan and more