I was a penhold gripper once and that time I wasn't able to strike topspin so I changed my grip to shake hand and now I can do many shots and that's why I want to thank you with my whole heart.
I hope you enjoyed this lesson. For more advanced strokes tutorials visit our website: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes Cheers, Jeff & Alois
Really good bat angle explanation. I kept trying to adjust the angle of the bat but i never considered the speed of the arm for more grip on the ball. No wonder I find faster rallies easier
thank u so much it is really very useful to me, as being an up coming table tennis player; i had many doubts. after watching this video i got many ideas about playing a proper topspin and iam sure the way u teach is very comfort to learn . i hope this video is going to be very useful to many up coming table tennis players..................... good job keep going.
+Vuyo CSGO Thanks for your kind words. I hope you are enjoying our videos. Have you checked out the PingSkills website? You can sign up for our free email newsletter and we'll send you weekly tips :)
Good concept. . When I pray nd practice I tend to go past mid line.. but when I try to limit the shot becomes less powerful.. but I will definitely try and share my results with u. Thanks for rrsponse and thet to faaast.
amazing video! my only question is that you recommend not to cross "center line" on the loop forehand finish position, but it looks like you cross the center line on the bigger forehand loop stroke every time.
You said not to cross the midline in the forehand top spin but in every shot you hit you crossed it. Was that an ideal statement or a practical one as the hand crosses the nose in every forehand top spin I see in this video!
The main point is to make sure you don't swing too low and lose the shape and therefore the consistency of your stroke. Also note that as the body twists so does that middle line.
I see. But wouldn't the head rotate along with the body twisting? Seems to me the relationship of the cervical and thoracic spine would stay the same on the pelvis. Thank you for your reply! I'm going to become a member to your site. You have excellent videos!
Awesome. Yeah the main point is to keep the finish position up high near your forehead. As soon as you swing low and across your body the stroke becomes very inconsistent.
Hi Alois. Greetings from Indonesia. I really love the way how you explain the tutorial. I do understand it clearly. Thank you so much. I have been practicing table tennis with my coach for about a year, but i still make mistakes on doing a topspin smash and I hope after watching your video I am able to improve my skill. 👍🙏🇮🇩
PingSkills... That's true.. It's very difficult to loop kill a fast top spin but very low ball... It always goes into the net or off the table otherwise... Thanks. I think it's better to block that shots.
It's certainly more likely to go back on the table! But as I said, if you feel confident and can execute the counter attack then it's far more devastating.
+rvsd44 We see a lot of people who when starting out really swing the bat way across the body so we find this direction really helps people understand how the stroke should look and feel. As long as you finish up nice and high then you can come across slightly.
Between the middle and the edge of the rubber is a good spot. Having said that, experiment yourself and see what results you get from hitting the ball in different spots. There's nothing like seeing the results yourself for learning something like this. It's great to see you thinking about these things. Keep up the good work!
Nice to see you taking notice. The bat can go past a little bit and the stroke will still be consistent and this is fine as a technique. The main point about not crossing the line is to ensure you don't go right across your body which a lot of players tend to do when learning the stroke, as this will cause the stroke to be very inconsistent.
I have got a faster racquet, palio expert2 and now i am having hard time playing powerful strokes. All i am able to do is block, or sometime play half hearted strokes. Can you suggest some ways i can adjust quickly. With my previous racquet, i was able to play so many shots, from different positions and now if i am not in position i always miss time it. Looks like margin of error is very less.
With a faster rubber it can seem like it is hard to control but once you get used to it and are able to trust yourself to play full shots, you will then be able to generate the topspin on the ball which will give you the extra margin for error for attacking strokes. Take a look at this answer to a question and see if it helps you: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/adjusting-myself-with-new-bat You can always leave a comment on the website if you have further questions. Good luck with your new bat. I have heard it is a good bat.
Hi, do you guys have a video or tip for the forehand topspin hook and forehand topsping fade? In case you call it in another way it's a topspin with some sidespin to place it wide in the table.
We sure do. You can find it on the PingSkills website under Table Tennis Lessons -> Strokes & Techniques. Or google "forehand topspin sidespin pingskills"
+PingSkills And again as part of our premium membership we have a course called Training Secrets and we have a 52 week training program to help you decide what to practice. Check them out at the PingSkills website.
great information thanks. I've always had trouble with proper technique on my forehand. Just a few questions though. Does this technique change for close to table or far from table hitting? Also what changes for hitting backspin other than angle of the stroke?
+Rocky s Great questions. The basic technique stays the same but if you are closer to the table you may need to shorten your swing a little since you'll have less time. And if you are further away you can lengthen it a little. Against backspin you need to swing a bit more vertically to counter the spin. Take a look at our Forehand Topspin Against Backspin video for more details on this. You can find all the videos nicely presented in order on the PingSkills website. Let me know if this helps out. Good luck with your table tennis.
i have a question regarding the forward force are you using the turning of the body primarily for the forward force? or does the shoulder/arm also turn forward just a bit? it seems like arm basically snaps and adds spin and the turning of the body delivers most of the forward power? is that correct?
In the past i have tried to add a bit of wrist movement (as you suggest here), but found it threw my timing off. Is there an easy way to get started with that? Also, I could be wrong, but is this the first video where I see Alois hitting shots?!
+Zazen forever I don't think you really need to focus too much on the wrist if it is throwing your timing off. The key is to relax it and let it work naturally. Alois has done the hitting in other videos too. You can see them all easily on the PingSkills website.
I've seen trainers advising their players to move the bat leg forward while hitting de ball. I think it's unnecesary if you correctly transfer your body weight from leg to leg and that it compromises your balance and the recovery of the legs for the next stroke. What do you think about that?
It certainly is important to maintain your balance, hence I like the weight transfer not to be from your back leg to your front leg. However sometimes when people are hitting the ball really fast they can jump into the ball.
are there any differences in doing this when using a tacky and a grippy rubber? I was using grippy rubbers for 3 years then i'm planning to change my rubber. Thank you for the reply.
So, Jeff obviously has a bent arm loop with his elbow bent at 90 degrees. Many others advocate a straight arm loop (Brett Clarke, for one). What are advantages/disadvantages of either? Its hard for me to get a lot of power with a bent arm loop. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks.
HI Zazen, I like to have my arm bent at the start as I feel I get more control like this. A lot of European players have forehands like this. Alois though starts with his arm much straighter and more Chinese players play their forehands like that. If you feel more comfortable then start with your arm straighter. In fact Alois generally recommends this too. Great question! Good luck improving your forehand. Cheers, Jeff.
If you have a longer swing then you can point the bat towards the floor at the start of the stroke and then have it parallel to the floor when you make contact. Watch some of the slow motion replays to see what I mean.
hey coach i have a question when i loop a forehand loop my loop isnt going to front its surrounding to the left side because that i am not looping to the front or what and when i try to loop it to front fastly the ball is staying on the net or going outside
+Enes Pasha It sounds like you may be trying to hit the ball too early. Try waiting a bit longer before you hit the ball and then make sure you get a good brushing contact to generate lots of spin. Let me know if this helps.
Hi Alos, I noticed that Jeff's arm is bent at a 90 degree angle at the bottom of his backswing, yet most of the Chinese instruction videos I see (and Brett Clark"s) show the arm fully extended. Is this just a matter of personal preference?
+Zazen forever It is a matter of personal preference. As you mention a lot of the Chinese have the arm straight and Alois generally prefers this. Some of the Europeans have there arm bent more. Do you have a preference yourself? If not go for the shot with the arm extended a bit and see how it goes. Cheers, Jeff.
hi i wanted to ask is there any relation with power for this stroke as i have a wide body built and went to gym i happen to bring more power than spin what to do for this i have tibhar genius rubber on my for hand can you help me
To get more spin, you still need to swing the bat fast, however you need to brush the ball finely. The more finely you hit the ball (still with a lot of bat speed) the more spin you will get. Try to imagine a fly is sitting on the top of the ball and you are trying to brush the fly off without touching the ball. Obviously you do need to touch the ball but I think this helps illustrate what I am talking about. Let me know if that helps. Good luck!
There is no one suitable racket. It comes down to personal preference. And once you have a decent racket the most important thing is to keep improving your technique.
Thanks a lot great video :D. I just have one question which nobody can seem to answer, I get too much sidespin on the ball and players at my club say that is not a good thing. I'm an intermediate player so I can control the sidespin but I can't seem to get straight forehand topspin shots there's always a little sidespin to it. This problem is only for my forehand and i'm a lefty. Please suggest something I can do to tackle this problem.
+Ahmed Bilal Getting sidespin is not a problem if that's what you mean to do. The sidespin is caused by the bat being on an angle and it's often because you've locked your wrist. If you try and relax you wrist then you should be able to hit the ball with your wrist not on an angle and get just topspin. Let me know if this helps.
And one reason which I think is that you hit ball close to your body when it is in front of you. To hit pure top spin you will need to let ball come to your side or if it is coming towards to your body you need to move away to make space so that ball comes to your side and there is arm length gap and then you hit. I think i am slightly late in replying
I noticed that Jeff has a rather small snap of the forearm during his topspin. The angle between the forearm and the upper arm is almost the same before and after the stroke. He compensates for the potential lack of power with a good body rotation but it might still be a thing to keep an eye on for further instructional videos.
Good observations. This can vary between top level players. Most of the Chinese have a longer backspin extending the elbow but some Europeans like Timo Boll have a much smaller backswing and use their rotation.
Hi PingSkills! Great material about topspin! My question: is there an optimal ratio of speed and topspin rotation to maximize the magnus effect, means to get the strongest curve? Thanks a lot for your answers or eventually another video! Br Achim
Close the angle of the bat as much as you can and maximize the speed of the arm movement. In case the ball still comes down directly into the net, move the bat more vertically.
Can you tell me how timo boll and other players who have similar jerking the arm motion like action so consistent in hitting topspin continuously on the table because those actions are totally different from what you have taught here
PingSkills that means there is no technical fault in their action? and thankyou a lot for your videos :) I have learnt most of this beautiful game with the help of your videos :D
+Aditya Srivastava It would be hard to suggest that players that good are not doing it right :) It really does work well for them. For most players though I think it will lead to some inconsistency and that's why we teach the stroke the way we do.
+goelnarendra goel It's really a guide to help you understand not to swing right across the body. If the bat goes slightly passed the middle line it is not a problem.
I've an issue with forehand.. I've just started playing table tennis a year ago... Whenever I try to make forehand smash, i kinda brush the ball for top spin which means i can't hit the ball flat.. That's why I lack speed in forehand smash which is definitely not good... I've tried to flatten the contact but most of the time it goes off table if I try to be more flatter..
What are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these same angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you personally use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN?
I recently used my phone to make a video of my practice sessions and I was dissapoonted to see that my tennis roots are still showing in my forehand 😐. I don't drop that racket head quite low enough (waist height instead of knee height) and and I often times end up finishing well above my head when I hit with more power. The end result on the ball is great but I feel like I am doing something wrong here. Is this okay, or do I need to work on this some more? I really want my forehand to start looking like yours and Alois. My backhand looks absolutely fantastic though if I must say so myself.
Nice one. It sounds like you are starting to make good progress. I would keep working on getting the correct start and finish positions as they do help you with consistency. It's not too bad to be finishing above your head though. Often players finish quite low and across their body and this is what leads to a loss of consistency.
If this is happening then you need to brush up on the back of the ball to give it more height whilst still generating lots of topspin yourself to help the ball dip back on to the table.
Hey Alois I'm a J-pen player and I'm wondering when to block and when to forehand topspin. I know Ryu Seung Min used (well he's a fat middle aged man now so he can't) his lighting fast footwork across the table to forehand topspin but he also blocked as well. How did he make the decision to forehand topspin or to block? How did would he come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to forehand topspin in certain situations?
He was an incredible player. I think he tried to attack at every opportunity. Even when he blocked it was a fast block! I think that you try and topspin when you feel confident and have time for the bigger swing. When you have less time that's when to use the block.
Yeah it is a rule of thumb. It's there to stop you trying to come right across your body. I think it's a good rule of thumb to follow especially when learning the stroke.
If you twist your shoulders then the bat moves further but doesn't really go past the centre line. This is more of a guide and I see a lot of players moving past the centre line all the time and it makes the stroke very inconsistent. I'd suggest working on getting the finish position correct as often as possible.
+Boogar You certainly can do this. A lot of the Chinese play the forehand in this manner. As Alois mentions though you can also get a lot of power from your legs, your hips, your shoulders, and your arm.
+PingSkills That is certainly true. However is there a way to combine both to start with a almost straigth arm near to the body and thenuse everything together? Or do you think this technique is to high end and im better off with the technique as you have shown? Thanks for the answer :)
+Boogar If you feel comfortable with the straight arm then use that. Alois tends to do this whereas I tend to have the arm more bent. It really is a personal preference. In fact Alois tends to like the straighter arm a little bit more. So if you like it go for it.
seems like the demonstrations dont use that much of the lower arm, wouldnt it increase the spin if you use the lower arm a little while accelerating your body into the ball?
does anyone know what this move is called? It's where you don't bring the bat up but you have it at an angle and you start fairly high. There is still a brushing motion but it is not going upwards, but forwards.
Nice video but i have i suggestion,i ´ve been playing a cupple of years and i ´ve got more or less the basic shots.But when i have to play my body is very tense and that´s make me fail a lot.I dont know how to stop it becuse for me that´s the normal play(i dotn know if you understand me because my english is not that good but what i try to say is if u can upload a video giving some tips)Thanks :)
+zZDanylorZz lel Great question. This is a common problem. And realising you are tense is half the problem. Next time you practice really focus on the tension in your body and try to keep it relaxed. By focusing on this it will help you. Try it out and if it still doesn't work then you can ask me more by using the ask the coach section of the PingSkills website. We check questions there all the time.
Ok thanks.Few days ago my coach told me that my way of use the bat was bad so i changed it and now i play even worse than before,but he has told me that in few weeks this will be better
+zZDanylorZz lel As you do have quite a bit of experience your coach could be right. If you practice for a few weeks you may get the hang of it. Especially if you spend some time actually working on your consistency.
Hello again and i hope you will read this. Since two months ago I have not trainer,i just have a partner and a robot.I have been developing my skills as similar as you guys explain in the videos. But i don´t have anyone who can tells me if I am doing something wrong. I have recorded my self doing it and i hope if you can check it out by sending me your email or something like that and correct me. Thanks a lot!
I tend to start with my arm bent as I feel I have more control that way but certainly you can start with your arm straight and then when you bend it you get even more bat speed. Alois tends to play more like this. Cheers, Jeff.
My coach says to first learn topspin taking your hand from down below your knees and then shorten it...what if i directly hit the ball topspining from my knee level ? " Am a beginner"
I can't hit straight if I'm hitting a hard topspin, I can only do cross court. i'v tried changing my feet position but it just ends up going im the middle, not down the line
in a game I am able to hit advanced forehand topspin or simple topspin, but after the top spin the balls comes up high so, I try to hit a smash but that smash goes out of the table all the time and same happens with my backhand counter hit the ball goes out after backhand topspin or forehand topspin
+Rehan Riaz Have you watched our video on the forehand smash? The most common mistake I see is people not getting into good position when the ball goes up high. Make sure as you watch it go up you move quickly into position. Then you should be able to execute a good smash. Watch the video and the tips we give and let me know if it helps you out.
+PingSkills yeah I have seen that video but the ball comes back way too fast so suggest some remedy for it and most of the player I play with just playing pure defence against me as I give them no ball to play shot against me thanks to you
+Rehan Riaz If the ball is up around shoulder height then you will have time to move into position for a smash. If it comes back lower than that and faster, then I'd suggest that you keep playing a topspin stroke. The more topspin you put on the ball, the more it will dip, and so you'll hit if off the table much less. Give that a try and let me know how it works out.
Yes, that is really a guide to make sure players aren't coming right across their bodies as this causes a very inconsistent stroke. If you go just a little past then it is still OK.
Thanks for clarifying. Another issue related to this, is the bat angle. Assuming keeping the centre line, do we need to worry about the bat angle when returning the ball?
@@humgaga Yes. Try to keep the bat angle constant throughout the stroke. Watch what happens to the ball after you hit it for feedback. If you're always hitting the ball long then close the bat angle a little. If you're always hitting it into the net then open it slightly. Good luck!
That's the video I wanted to watch.Videos like Ask the Coach shows are really boring and it doesn't get high views.Keep on the short detailed video! :D
+SKhuder AQW I'm glad you liked it. Yes these videos always get more views but we feel there is a place for the ask the coach videos so we'll keep doing both.
+PingSkills Okay. :) May I ask you a question? I have a trick on serving, I spin it on my hands and then hit it and it spins greatly. XD Is it allowed or not?
+SKhuder AQW Unfortunately it is not allowed. You must throw the ball up without imparting spin on it. It certainly does generate more spin when you do this but I guess that is why they banned it.
so I switch to forehand looping (c-pen) and my friends told me that I am terrible at top spin drills since my loop tends to have more side spin.. They say that its good for actual game.. but its difficult to practice drills with me :( Do you have tips for me...
To get more pure topspin you need to change the angle of your racket as you contact the ball. If the racket is parallel to the floor and hits the top and back of the ball it will be pure topspin. To get the sidespin you must be hitting the ball a little bit on the side. It's probably good for your friends to get used to blocking such a shot!
+Виталий Витренко I'm glad you liked it. Make sure you get the start and finish position correct and then have a brushing contact. And also take a look at the PingSkills website and sign up for our free email newsletter for more tips :)
+elshad sarioghli Thanks. We will keep making these but we do like the ask the coach videos too! Make sure you checkout the PingSkills website as we do have hundreds of these types of videos there.
You told in tutorial that racket should not pass center of body to recover fast. But in the last few seconds of your video, it is passing in all the shots made.
Good observation. We mention this to make sure that players aren't bringing their swing way across their body. As long as the bat finishes quite high and you don't go too far past the stroke will be more consistent.
Start with a simple counterhit and work on getting that very consistent. Then try adding a bit of topspin and then more and more. A good way to learn the strokes is follow the lessons on our website: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis/strokes-and-technique/ Good luck!
every now and then i come to pingskills videos to review my basics, and i ALWAYS learn or remember a lot of things
I'm glad they are helping you improve. Keep up the good work with your table tennis!
Same!!
@@giraffitee very good explanation.
It's really hard to understand how anyone can dislike this video, smh. I mean, how much better can this get? Good job guys 👍 God bless 🙏
I dont like this, i think this is a weak solition , and also ......
I was a penhold gripper once and that time I wasn't able to strike topspin so I changed my grip to shake hand and now I can do many shots and that's why I want to thank you with my whole heart.
I love playing penhold but it is harder to get consistent topspin I’ve noticed.
Will I play better if I keep my legs hairy like jeff or smooth like alois?
hahaha brooo u nailed it
The best comment I have seen for a while
Hairy like Jeff.
Cheers,
Jeff.
You will play better if you shave your head like Alois
It's true :)
The best teachers of table tennis in the internet.
Always good to check in on videos you first saw years ago! Almost as useful as it was the first time👌
Glad you still like it!
I hope you enjoyed this lesson. For more advanced strokes tutorials visit our website: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes
Cheers,
Jeff & Alois
Man I can really see the spin you guys are putting on the ball. Love the videos!
Thanks Chris. Make sure to checkout the PingSkills website too as you can track your progress through all our videos :)
Really good bat angle explanation. I kept trying to adjust the angle of the bat but i never considered the speed of the arm for more grip on the ball. No wonder I find faster rallies easier
Great video , I coach my students using this video . Very much appreciated !
oh man, love your music choice :)
thank u so much it is really very useful to me, as being an up coming table tennis player; i had many doubts. after watching this video i got many ideas about playing a proper topspin and iam sure the way u teach is very comfort to learn . i hope this video is going to be very useful to many up coming table tennis players..................... good job keep going.
These videos are the best thing over. i m learning alot
You are better than my trainer in my club..
+Vuyo CSGO Thanks for your kind words. I hope you are enjoying our videos. Have you checked out the PingSkills website? You can sign up for our free email newsletter and we'll send you weekly tips :)
PingSkills Ok, thank you for answer :D
The are both former international players so they should know their stuff!
great tutorial, great music at the end 🏩
What racquet do you use?
Good concept. . When I pray nd practice I tend to go past mid line.. but when I try to limit the shot becomes less powerful.. but I will definitely try and share my results with u. Thanks for rrsponse and thet to faaast.
After probably watching 50 tutorials, this is by far the best one. Great work, guys👍👍👍
amazing video! my only question is that you recommend not to cross "center line" on the loop forehand finish position, but it looks like you cross the center line on the bigger forehand loop stroke every time.
The center line is really just to highlight not going across your body too much. If you pass it just a little bit that is fine.
@@pingskills thanks so much! helpful clarification!
You said not to cross the midline in the forehand top spin but in every shot you hit you crossed it. Was that an ideal statement or a practical one as the hand crosses the nose in every forehand top spin I see in this video!
The main point is to make sure you don't swing too low and lose the shape and therefore the consistency of your stroke. Also note that as the body twists so does that middle line.
I see. But wouldn't the head rotate along with the body twisting? Seems to me the relationship of the cervical and thoracic spine would stay the same on the pelvis. Thank you for your reply! I'm going to become a member to your site. You have excellent videos!
Awesome. Yeah the main point is to keep the finish position up high near your forehead. As soon as you swing low and across your body the stroke becomes very inconsistent.
Hi Alois. Greetings from Indonesia. I really love the way how you explain the tutorial. I do understand it clearly. Thank you so much. I have been practicing table tennis with my coach for about a year, but i still make mistakes on doing a topspin smash and I hope after watching your video I am able to improve my skill. 👍🙏🇮🇩
Thanks for your kind words. Good luck with your table tennis. Make sure to check out our website for more helpful videos.
Very cool advice about racket angle! I love this video :)
I'm glad you found it useful.
What is the best way to return a fast low ball top spin? Should I block or should I loop kill?
If you can loop it back then go for it. It is a difficult shot which is why a lot of people choose to block the ball back.
PingSkills... That's true.. It's very difficult to loop kill a fast top spin but very low ball... It always goes into the net or off the table otherwise... Thanks. I think it's better to block that shots.
It's certainly more likely to go back on the table! But as I said, if you feel confident and can execute the counter attack then it's far more devastating.
Detailed explanation of 0.5 second action, you'r the best guys!
+Vadym Kovalenko Thanks :)
Awesome video on topspin !
+Angad Pathak Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
Ping skills you are the best till now
Thanks for your support :)
Prime music choice at the end. ;D Salsa dancing ftw.
Yes! a tutorial vid! Been a long time
both of them crossed the center line of the body. still, the forms look real good!
+rvsd44 We see a lot of people who when starting out really swing the bat way across the body so we find this direction really helps people understand how the stroke should look and feel. As long as you finish up nice and high then you can come across slightly.
Really like the video. Got one question: where is the best contact point on the paddle for this type of forehand top spin? Thanks.
Between the middle and the edge of the rubber is a good spot. Having said that, experiment yourself and see what results you get from hitting the ball in different spots. There's nothing like seeing the results yourself for learning something like this. It's great to see you thinking about these things. Keep up the good work!
Awesome videos thanks for your work !
+moileportugais You're welcome. Have you been playing table tennis for long?
+PingSkills 10 years but still learning some placement tips looking these videos x)
+moileportugais Great. I'm glad we've been able to help you learn a few things :)
6:15 min the blue 👕 couch he is crossing the centre of the body while hitting the topspin ball which comes with a block
Nice to see you taking notice. The bat can go past a little bit and the stroke will still be consistent and this is fine as a technique. The main point about not crossing the line is to ensure you don't go right across your body which a lot of players tend to do when learning the stroke, as this will cause the stroke to be very inconsistent.
I have got a faster racquet, palio expert2 and now i am having hard time playing powerful strokes. All i am able to do is block, or sometime play half hearted strokes. Can you suggest some ways i can adjust quickly. With my previous racquet, i was able to play so many shots, from different positions and now if i am not in position i always miss time it. Looks like margin of error is very less.
With a faster rubber it can seem like it is hard to control but once you get used to it and are able to trust yourself to play full shots, you will then be able to generate the topspin on the ball which will give you the extra margin for error for attacking strokes. Take a look at this answer to a question and see if it helps you: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/adjusting-myself-with-new-bat
You can always leave a comment on the website if you have further questions. Good luck with your new bat. I have heard it is a good bat.
You really deserve more subscribers
Hi, do you guys have a video or tip for the forehand topspin hook and forehand topsping fade? In case you call it in another way it's a topspin with some sidespin to place it wide in the table.
We sure do. You can find it on the PingSkills website under Table Tennis Lessons -> Strokes & Techniques. Or google "forehand topspin sidespin pingskills"
PingSkills Thank you very much
You're welcome.
advance serving videos would be nice that mimic some pro player serves. also countering backspin/chops with topsin/loop for both forehand and backhand
+IamMotionMedia also training drills, for improving stroke consistency and FOOTWORK :D
+IamMotionMedia We have a whole series on serving on the PingSkills website for our premium members.
+PingSkills And again as part of our premium membership we have a course called Training Secrets and we have a 52 week training program to help you decide what to practice. Check them out at the PingSkills website.
I love your channel .... !!!! It helps me alot.... Thankyou for making these helpful videos....!! Keep it up..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
great information thanks. I've always had trouble with proper technique on my forehand. Just a few questions though. Does this technique change for close to table or far from table hitting? Also what changes for hitting backspin other than angle of the stroke?
+Rocky s Great questions. The basic technique stays the same but if you are closer to the table you may need to shorten your swing a little since you'll have less time. And if you are further away you can lengthen it a little. Against backspin you need to swing a bit more vertically to counter the spin. Take a look at our Forehand Topspin Against Backspin video for more details on this. You can find all the videos nicely presented in order on the PingSkills website. Let me know if this helps out. Good luck with your table tennis.
Jeff, you play table tennis very well. nice player he is!!
Thanks :)
i have a question regarding the forward force
are you using the turning of the body primarily for the forward force? or does the shoulder/arm also turn forward just a bit? it seems like arm basically snaps and adds spin and the turning of the body delivers most of the forward power? is that correct?
It is a combination of all that you mention. We like to call it the summation of forces.
In the past i have tried to add a bit of wrist movement (as you suggest here), but found it threw my timing off. Is there an easy way to get started with that? Also, I could be wrong, but is this the first video where I see Alois hitting shots?!
+Zazen forever I don't think you really need to focus too much on the wrist if it is throwing your timing off. The key is to relax it and let it work naturally.
Alois has done the hitting in other videos too. You can see them all easily on the PingSkills website.
I've seen trainers advising their players to move the bat leg forward while hitting de ball. I think it's unnecesary if you correctly transfer your body weight from leg to leg and that it compromises your balance and the recovery of the legs for the next stroke. What do you think about that?
It certainly is important to maintain your balance, hence I like the weight transfer not to be from your back leg to your front leg. However sometimes when people are hitting the ball really fast they can jump into the ball.
thanks for the great video, really appreciated
it will help us layers so much thank you for your kindness
You're welcome.
are there any differences in doing this when using a tacky and a grippy rubber? I was using grippy rubbers for 3 years then i'm planning to change my rubber. Thank you for the reply.
Thanks coach...practically I see good results in my game after this video !
That is great to hear Dinesh. Keep up the good work!
So, Jeff obviously has a bent arm loop with his elbow bent at 90 degrees. Many others advocate a straight arm loop (Brett Clarke, for one). What are advantages/disadvantages of either? Its hard for me to get a lot of power with a bent arm loop. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks.
HI Zazen, I like to have my arm bent at the start as I feel I get more control like this. A lot of European players have forehands like this. Alois though starts with his arm much straighter and more Chinese players play their forehands like that. If you feel more comfortable then start with your arm straighter. In fact Alois generally recommends this too. Great question! Good luck improving your forehand.
Cheers,
Jeff.
awesome can you tell us how to improve the rubber grip
Unfortunately the grip wears out with use, so once it starts to go the best option is to buy new rubbers.
thx ca you make a video on you vs jeff plz I would love to see youy two play with your awesome and mad skills please :D
Have you seen this? ruclips.net/video/MTxATrjOoLY/видео.html
what about the head of the bat , before contact, is going to point the floor , or is parallel to the floor ? thank you in advance
If you have a longer swing then you can point the bat towards the floor at the start of the stroke and then have it parallel to the floor when you make contact. Watch some of the slow motion replays to see what I mean.
thank you very much, i understand what you mean, Always precious with your advices.
You're welcome :)
hey coach i have a question when i loop a forehand loop my loop isnt going to front its surrounding to the left side because that i am not looping to the front or what and when i try to loop it to front fastly the ball is staying on the net or going outside
+Enes Pasha It sounds like you may be trying to hit the ball too early. Try waiting a bit longer before you hit the ball and then make sure you get a good brushing contact to generate lots of spin. Let me know if this helps.
Hi Alos, I noticed that Jeff's arm is bent at a 90 degree angle at the bottom of his backswing, yet most of the Chinese instruction videos I see (and Brett Clark"s) show the arm fully extended. Is this just a matter of personal preference?
+Zazen forever It is a matter of personal preference. As you mention a lot of the Chinese have the arm straight and Alois generally prefers this. Some of the Europeans have there arm bent more. Do you have a preference yourself? If not go for the shot with the arm extended a bit and see how it goes.
Cheers,
Jeff.
hi i wanted to ask is there any relation with power for this stroke as i have a wide body built and went to gym
i happen to bring more power than spin what to do for this i have tibhar genius rubber on my for hand
can you help me
To get more spin, you still need to swing the bat fast, however you need to brush the ball finely. The more finely you hit the ball (still with a lot of bat speed) the more spin you will get. Try to imagine a fly is sitting on the top of the ball and you are trying to brush the fly off without touching the ball. Obviously you do need to touch the ball but I think this helps illustrate what I am talking about. Let me know if that helps. Good luck!
Is there any website of yours where I could upload videos and you would help me configure the most suitable racket for me?
There is no one suitable racket. It comes down to personal preference. And once you have a decent racket the most important thing is to keep improving your technique.
Thanks a lot great video :D. I just have one question which nobody can seem to answer, I get too much sidespin on the ball and players at my club say that is not a good thing. I'm an intermediate player so I can control the sidespin but I can't seem to get straight forehand topspin shots there's always a little sidespin to it. This problem is only for my forehand and i'm a lefty. Please suggest something I can do to tackle this problem.
+Ahmed Bilal Getting sidespin is not a problem if that's what you mean to do. The sidespin is caused by the bat being on an angle and it's often because you've locked your wrist. If you try and relax you wrist then you should be able to hit the ball with your wrist not on an angle and get just topspin. Let me know if this helps.
And one reason which I think is that you hit ball close to your body when it is in front of you.
To hit pure top spin you will need to let ball come to your side or if it is coming towards to your body you need to move away to make space so that ball comes to your side and there is arm length gap and then you hit.
I think i am slightly late in replying
I noticed that Jeff has a rather small snap of the forearm during his topspin. The angle between the forearm and the upper arm is almost the same before and after the stroke. He compensates for the potential lack of power with a good body rotation but it might still be a thing to keep an eye on for further instructional videos.
Good observations. This can vary between top level players. Most of the Chinese have a longer backspin extending the elbow but some Europeans like Timo Boll have a much smaller backswing and use their rotation.
Can you guys make a video on countering very fast topspin with topspin of your own?
Nice, but you still cross the central line of the body. :)
+psychoreaper86
i guess its ok, if u do a hard topspin stroke and have the time
Although they tell no to do, they do(a little) when they are playing.... It's a matter of being ready again to the next stroke as soon as possible.
psychoreaper86 4:14
Fantastic techniques..
hello alois sir, I am a boy of 11 years old and I want to know how can I make my topspin more powerful. please tell me
The key is to get the correct start and finish positions, and then get the bat moving quickly between them like we discuss in this video. Good luck!
thnx sir
Hi PingSkills! Great material about topspin! My question: is there an optimal ratio of speed and topspin rotation to maximize the magnus effect, means to get the strongest curve? Thanks a lot for your answers or eventually another video! Br Achim
Close the angle of the bat as much as you can and maximize the speed of the arm movement. In case the ball still comes down directly into the net, move the bat more vertically.
Can you tell me how timo boll and other players who have similar jerking the arm motion like action so consistent in hitting topspin continuously on the table because those actions are totally different from what you have taught here
+Aditya Srivastava Great question. It's because they have practiced so much they can get away with it. It is quite amazing.
PingSkills that means there is no technical fault in their action? and thankyou a lot for your videos :) I have learnt most of this beautiful game with the help of your videos :D
+Aditya Srivastava It would be hard to suggest that players that good are not doing it right :) It really does work well for them. For most players though I think it will lead to some inconsistency and that's why we teach the stroke the way we do.
at the end of video the bat is moving across the center line. what does it mean. may be that we shud play with the flow of shot.
+goelnarendra goel It's really a guide to help you understand not to swing right across the body. If the bat goes slightly passed the middle line it is not a problem.
Where should my contact be on the ball in my forehand topspin? Should it be shoulder width, in front of me, behind me, next to me, etc?
Put your two hands together in front of you. This is about the distance you want to hit the ball away from your body.
Very well explained.
Thanks Hemant.
I've an issue with forehand.. I've just started playing table tennis a year ago...
Whenever I try to make forehand smash, i kinda brush the ball for top spin which means i can't hit the ball flat.. That's why I lack speed in forehand smash which is definitely not good... I've tried to flatten the contact but most of the time it goes off table if I try to be more flatter..
What are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these same angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you personally use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN?
I recently used my phone to make a video of my practice sessions and I was dissapoonted to see that my tennis roots are still showing in my forehand 😐. I don't drop that racket head quite low enough (waist height instead of knee height) and and I often times end up finishing well above my head when I hit with more power. The end result on the ball is great but I feel like I am doing something wrong here. Is this okay, or do I need to work on this some more? I really want my forehand to start looking like yours and Alois. My backhand looks absolutely fantastic though if I must say so myself.
Nice one. It sounds like you are starting to make good progress. I would keep working on getting the correct start and finish positions as they do help you with consistency. It's not too bad to be finishing above your head though. Often players finish quite low and across their body and this is what leads to a loss of consistency.
Can you please tell when does the return to a topspin goes into the net?
If this is happening then you need to brush up on the back of the ball to give it more height whilst still generating lots of topspin yourself to help the ball dip back on to the table.
PingSkills thanks guru!
Great lesson
Thankyou
Hey Alois I'm a J-pen player and I'm wondering when to block and when to forehand topspin. I know Ryu Seung Min used (well he's a fat middle aged man now so he can't) his lighting fast footwork across the table to forehand topspin but he also blocked as well. How did he make the decision to forehand topspin or to block? How did would he come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to forehand topspin in certain situations?
He was an incredible player. I think he tried to attack at every opportunity. Even when he blocked it was a fast block! I think that you try and topspin when you feel confident and have time for the bigger swing. When you have less time that's when to use the block.
THX COACH!!!!
3:38 how come Jeff’s bat was finishing last his ‘Center line’? Is this just a rule of thumb?
Yeah it is a rule of thumb. It's there to stop you trying to come right across your body. I think it's a good rule of thumb to follow especially when learning the stroke.
Thanks!
Alois I notice that your racket moves a bit past the centre line. The same happens with me. Is that okay?
If you twist your shoulders then the bat moves further but doesn't really go past the centre line. This is more of a guide and I see a lot of players moving past the centre line all the time and it makes the stroke very inconsistent. I'd suggest working on getting the finish position correct as often as possible.
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome.
What about straigething your arm before the stroke? Dont you lose alot of bat speed without it?
+Boogar You certainly can do this. A lot of the Chinese play the forehand in this manner. As Alois mentions though you can also get a lot of power from your legs, your hips, your shoulders, and your arm.
+PingSkills That is certainly true. However is there a way to combine both to start with a almost straigth arm near to the body and thenuse everything together?
Or do you think this technique is to high end and im better off with the technique as you have shown?
Thanks for the answer :)
+Boogar If you feel comfortable with the straight arm then use that. Alois tends to do this whereas I tend to have the arm more bent. It really is a personal preference. In fact Alois tends to like the straighter arm a little bit more. So if you like it go for it.
seems like the demonstrations dont use that much of the lower arm, wouldnt it increase the spin if you use the lower arm a little while accelerating your body into the ball?
Do I need. To bend my wrist while doing top spin?
does anyone know what this move is called? It's where you don't bring the bat up but you have it at an angle and you start fairly high. There is still a brushing motion but it is not going upwards, but forwards.
It sounds like a chop.
How hard do you need to rub the ball or glide the ball Alex???
You need a fast brushing contact so you can generate plenty of spin.
i thank u guys so much for helping me improve my table tennis skills and i look forward to your new videos ;)
+Hacker Ftw You're welcome. I'm glad we've been able to help you. Make sure to checkout the PingSkills website too :)
Nice video but i have i suggestion,i ´ve been playing a cupple of years and i ´ve got more or less the basic shots.But when i have to play my body is very tense and that´s make me fail a lot.I dont know how to stop it becuse for me that´s the normal play(i dotn know if you understand me because my english is not that good but what i try to say is if u can upload a video giving some tips)Thanks :)
+zZDanylorZz lel Great question. This is a common problem. And realising you are tense is half the problem. Next time you practice really focus on the tension in your body and try to keep it relaxed. By focusing on this it will help you. Try it out and if it still doesn't work then you can ask me more by using the ask the coach section of the PingSkills website. We check questions there all the time.
Ok thanks.Few days ago my coach told me that my way of use the bat was bad so i changed it and now i play even worse than before,but he has told me that in few weeks this will be better
+zZDanylorZz lel As you do have quite a bit of experience your coach could be right. If you practice for a few weeks you may get the hang of it. Especially if you spend some time actually working on your consistency.
Hello again and i hope you will read this. Since two months ago I have not trainer,i just have a partner and a robot.I have been developing my skills as similar as you guys explain in the videos. But i don´t have anyone who can tells me if I am doing something wrong. I have recorded my self doing it and i hope if you can check it out by sending me your email or something like that and correct me. Thanks a lot!
Well done with your training. Keep up the good work. As for the video analysis this is something we offer our premium members.
Why do you guys bend your arm instead of straightening it out for more bat speed? Just curious.
I tend to start with my arm bent as I feel I have more control that way but certainly you can start with your arm straight and then when you bend it you get even more bat speed. Alois tends to play more like this. Cheers, Jeff.
My coach says to first learn topspin taking your hand from down below your knees and then shorten it...what if i directly hit the ball topspining from my knee level ? " Am a beginner"
I can't hit straight if I'm hitting a hard topspin, I can only do cross court. i'v tried changing my feet position but it just ends up going im the middle, not down the line
+ItsCrystal Google "PingSkills down the line" and see if our videos on the topic help you out. Let me know if they do :)
in a game I am able to hit advanced forehand topspin or simple topspin, but after the top spin the balls comes up high so, I try to hit a smash but that smash goes out of the table all the time and same happens with my backhand counter hit the ball goes out after backhand topspin or forehand topspin
+Rehan Riaz Have you watched our video on the forehand smash? The most common mistake I see is people not getting into good position when the ball goes up high. Make sure as you watch it go up you move quickly into position. Then you should be able to execute a good smash. Watch the video and the tips we give and let me know if it helps you out.
+PingSkills yeah I have seen that video but the ball comes back way too fast so suggest some remedy for it
and most of the player I play with just playing pure defence against me as I give them no ball to play shot against me thanks to you
+Rehan Riaz If the ball is up around shoulder height then you will have time to move into position for a smash. If it comes back lower than that and faster, then I'd suggest that you keep playing a topspin stroke. The more topspin you put on the ball, the more it will dip, and so you'll hit if off the table much less. Give that a try and let me know how it works out.
+PingSkills thanks just going for the match
+Rehan Riaz Good luck.
This type of videos are good to improve my virtual tables tennis game skills :D :-D
Wow, I'm glad it is helping virtually :)
Thought you mentioned earlier the bat cannot go beyond center line. But i saw in the wrist section, it went over. Need more explanation on this.
Yes, that is really a guide to make sure players aren't coming right across their bodies as this causes a very inconsistent stroke. If you go just a little past then it is still OK.
Thanks for clarifying. Another issue related to this, is the bat angle. Assuming keeping the centre line, do we need to worry about the bat angle when returning the ball?
@@humgaga Yes. Try to keep the bat angle constant throughout the stroke. Watch what happens to the ball after you hit it for feedback. If you're always hitting the ball long then close the bat angle a little. If you're always hitting it into the net then open it slightly. Good luck!
Slow motion giving better understanding..
After watching this video I m clear this,more thanks.
That's the video I wanted to watch.Videos like Ask the Coach shows are really boring and it doesn't get high views.Keep on the short detailed video! :D
+SKhuder AQW I'm glad you liked it. Yes these videos always get more views but we feel there is a place for the ask the coach videos so we'll keep doing both.
+PingSkills Okay. :) May I ask you a question? I have a trick on serving, I spin it on my hands and then hit it and it spins greatly. XD Is it allowed or not?
+SKhuder AQW Unfortunately it is not allowed. You must throw the ball up without imparting spin on it.
It certainly does generate more spin when you do this but I guess that is why they banned it.
Great video mate ! :)
+Max Lippmann Thanks!
so I switch to forehand looping (c-pen)
and my friends told me that I am terrible at top spin drills since my loop tends to have more side spin..
They say that its good for actual game.. but its difficult to practice drills with me :(
Do you have tips for me...
To get more pure topspin you need to change the angle of your racket as you contact the ball. If the racket is parallel to the floor and hits the top and back of the ball it will be pure topspin. To get the sidespin you must be hitting the ball a little bit on the side. It's probably good for your friends to get used to blocking such a shot!
PingSkills I tried.. but I am not comfortable with changing the angle yet.. guess I just need more practice :D tnx
Also don't be too put off by your friends. A little bit of sidespin on the forehand loop can be effective!
Good explained! I've been training my forehand topspin for a year but still can't make efficient spin.
+Виталий Витренко I'm glad you liked it. Make sure you get the start and finish position correct and then have a brushing contact. And also take a look at the PingSkills website and sign up for our free email newsletter for more tips :)
this type videos is better make more
+elshad sarioghli Thanks. We will keep making these but we do like the ask the coach videos too! Make sure you checkout the PingSkills website as we do have hundreds of these types of videos there.
I have a question how much ttr do you have
Sorry I'm not sure what you mean by ttr.
table tennis racket, probably
Ah, I see. I normally have 2. One that I use all the time and one as a spare in case the other one breaks!
Great instruction.
Thanks :)
Love all the videos....:):X:P:D
Thanks for your support Vijay.
You told in tutorial that racket should not pass center of body to recover fast. But in the last few seconds of your video, it is passing in all the shots made.
Good observation. We mention this to make sure that players aren't bringing their swing way across their body. As long as the bat finishes quite high and you don't go too far past the stroke will be more consistent.
my tospien goes Mostly about the plate and don't have much spin and i have got a good bat with much grip i don't know why that so is
Start with a simple counterhit and work on getting that very consistent. Then try adding a bit of topspin and then more and more. A good way to learn the strokes is follow the lessons on our website:
www.pingskills.com/table-tennis/strokes-and-technique/
Good luck!
It really works thanks ping skill
You're welcome.
great video..thanks a ton
You're welcome.