What a grace from God to have this evil exposed by a faithful Catholic woman. I will recommend this book to my circle of women friends. I was treated with such disrespect as a stay at home mother in the 70’s & 80’s. Oh how blessed I am now celebrating 50 years of faithful marriage and our many children and grandchildren. This is treasure beyond all measure.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet She has done alot for society in raising good children to become good men and women and more importantly, she has honored God in helping shape souls for the heavenly Kingdom.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet Society wouldn't exist if it wasn't for her and women like her. You can't have society without people and we would have people without women like her.
In all the talk about how disordered it is for mothers to be out of the home and away from their kids, I am struck that no one comments how disordered it is for fathers to be gone all day as well. For much of human history, the father was at home--in the workshop, working the fields, minding the books---and certainly his sons, at least, if not his daughters, were working alongside. The father gone all day is a product of the industrial revolution and industrial agriculture. One can be an absentee father even if you come home every night, if your mind is too frazzled to be attentive to your kids or you're working a 60-hour week. I don't know how that's reconciled in our modern world. An electrician can't bring his kid to work, nor can a lawyer or a doctor. It may be impossible. But a real reactionary has to look past the 1950s or 1900s to the 1800s or 1700s to see how much "natural" family life has changed in the last century-and-a-half, and ask how could both parents be more available to their kids. I've noticed in my own life, at least, that as my kids approach their teen years, that my day-to-day fathering of them increases in importance.
One of the things that Uncle Ted was correct about. It's unfortunate that he was so disordered, and his 'solutions' were so reprehensible. He identified the problem, but not the answer. @@retrorenegade1967
Most insightful comment yet. I'm expecting ahistorical and ill-informed comments in this section, otherwise. 👏👏👏 Women also worked in the fields, barns, etc, and children followed. Having a mother at home to cook and clean is a middle-class aspiration, sometimes luxury, that very few members of humanity have "enjoyed". Most families in the world have been unable to afford an able-bodied person to stay-at-home and not earn money to add to the family income pool. I can't believe commentators are so short-sighted!
@@Alexa-un7ky If it's possible to support a family on the equivalent of a single income, then perhaps both parents could work 20-25 hours part-time. Alternatively, one could work a 30-to-35-hour "full-time" job to get benefits and the other a 10-15 hour job. Remote at home is possible in some professions. But for the majority of people, getting paid $25/hour or less, working outside the home, and often at odd hours, I don't think it's possible outside of a radical re-imagination of family life, probably along the lines of what is the norm in other cultures: multi-family, multi-generation, with grandparents more involved. The other possibility might be home-based businesses and homeschooling in a proximate community where kids can walk to see friends, perhaps in a dense suburb, city, or small town.
Are you the one that she refers to at the end of this interview? She states how someone left their job at planned parenthood after reading her book. I'm a former worker of theirs as well. I was crying at times all this overwhelming truth/facts was being discussed
Sitting here taking notes! I wish I had this guidance and never left the church when I was younger; it would have saved me years of heartache. I struggled for years running my own business while trying to juggle being a wife and mother. “Feminism” almost destroyed my marriage. I will rejoin the church this coming Easter and recently decided to close my business to focus on family and the Lord. I can’t get those years back, but I can take back my future. 🙏🏻
I wish you the very best. I truly believe that with sacrifice comes rewards and any sacrifice we do for our family God will give you graces and many blessings. ❤️❤️
We pulled our kids from a Catholic grade school (in a very conservative area of the country) because of several factors. The last straw was a history day display where 8th graders at the school had produced a display extolling the virtues of Betty Friedan. That was the moment we decided to homeschool.
In my experience and social circle, 95% of couples are divorced. In 100% of those divorces, the woman ended the marriage. To the best of my knowledge, none of the men were unfaithful, drunkards, abusive, or unable to provide. Here is a scary statistic. In the U.S., 90% of married college-educated women will end up divorcing their husbands. I married a college-educated Catholic woman. She started socializing with a group of feminist women. After 16 years of marriage, she divorced me. Her reason? "It's not working for me." How can anyone use that to justify destroying a family? Feminism has taught women to be selfish. Your book is essential, and I pray it saves as many lives as possible, but I fear feminism is too entrenched. Feminism is the air we breathe. Mostly, I fear for my grandchildren.
Don't worry, Islam is taking over. Perhaps "the plan" is for Islam to course correct society in regards to f'ism, and then a move of the Holy Spirit to course correct for Islam?
How providential for this to be put out today, on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
I wasn't able to have children, due to a drunk driver when I was 10 years old riding on my brothers Big Wheel. It was very difficult for me, who wanted babies. My grandmother had 14...my mom had 7...and I couldn't have 1. I did get pregnant twice..and both times, the pregnancies were ectopic. I adopted my son (3 months old) when I was 25. I also did foster care (27 children) and raised my nephew from when he was born. What I realized, is that God had a plan for me. That plan may have been different from traditional motherhood...but one thing I can tell you, is that I have mothered and nurtured so many children in my life...and some grown children too (ha)! Be open to God's plan...even if it looks different than the one you planned on. You are only 33 years old! You are far from being over the hill.(ha) Put yourself out there...trust God...and I promise you that great things will come your way! God bless you my friend! ⚘️
Praised be the Lord, you are a mother or at least a mother figure to more than 30 kids! More than you could have cared for if you took the traditional route of motherhood! That's so amazing, you are doing God's work! I myself had not a foster mom but a foster grandma. She was an older neighbour of ours and she taught me different skills, she was so kind and caring with us, I grew up thinking that she's my grandmother until later I learned that we weren't related at all. She was a better grandma to me than my biological one. I often think about her and hope she's enjoying heaven right now.
I’m a Brazilian living in Australia. To be honest I was raised with a very feminist mind, not because my mum or the women from my family were feminist but because unfortunately most of them suffered too much with bad husbands that complete disrespected them and that always took advantage of being the providers of the house and thought that because of that they could do whatever they can. My whole life a heard things like “study hard and find a good work so you will never need to depend on any man”, or “between a good husband and a good work, pick the work without even thinking”. They have no idea of who Simone Debovoir was, or anything about the feminist movement but because the feminist narrative uses a real issue to grow then people buy the idea very easily. For me is more than convince women about how bad the feminist movement is, for me the solution is to teach men to be good men. A don’t know any woman who would fight with a man, when the man plays the role as they should. We need to recover good Christian masculine minds, teach men to be like Saint Joseph, and then women will naturally go back to their place.
This is a great point! The worldly version of every ideology is sinful because it’s selfish. If we shift the language from “What can I get?” to “how can I serve?” we’d see a positive change.
This is why the Chruch has been emphasizing the role of the man in marriage as saint Paul states (paraphrasing) "loving his wife as Christ loved the Church to the point of giving His live for her on the Cross". Men must understand that they have to love their wives and die daily for them and this means die to their egos every day. If a woman senses this from her husband (plus good judgement) she will just surrender to him easily. Women give their bodies to their husbands and are vulnerable in doing this. Their nature is one of vulnerability. They give their bodies and then pregnancy happens thus they are vulnerable by nature and if they can't trust their husbands the relationship breaks down. But women can do many things: get educated (not in order to despise men but because education is good), exercise their civil rights and civil participation (not to bash men but to be an integral part of their communities), educate good men (after all they are mothers to new generation of men). These are strengths that help a woman be a better partner to her husband. Still she needs to trust in his love and judgement.
Doctor Ignaz Semmelweiss was an OB who learned that handwashing in childbirth was important to reduce the risk of maternal sepsis after delivery in birth. He had a nervous breakdown from attacks on him after he promoted his hypothesis, which of course proved true over time as infectious disease was proved. (Germ Theory, Louis Pasteur etc). The poor man died in an "insane asylum" from a beating by a guard and subsequent infection. He is a tragic heroic figure.
Quite a familiar and sad story of questioning elites and what liars will do to keep up a lie…reminds me of what happened to the doctors who actually believe in science and went against the fake virus hysteria of 2020
I wish there was more content on 'motherhood' for single, childless women. I'm single and childless, and at 33, that might never change. I hear a lot about spiritual motherhood, but it mainly relates to being a religious sister. and I have no interest in doing that. All I have been able to come up with is that I need to be a good daughter and a good friend.
Spiritual motherhood is using your womanly traits to nurture anyone who needs nurturing too. If you have a job, that could be listening with attentiveness of a mother to whoever needs you. It could be providing a meal for a family that you know of that just had a child. Motherhood looks at someone who is in need and goes in haste, like Mary, to help them in their need. There are people who marry later in life and end up having children (biological or adopted) in their 40s! God is great and places things in our path at the right time. God bless
I am the mother to an adopted child, our only daughter. My vocational life is lived in many ways - as a teacher, volunteer chaplaincy, family life. Could using the word 'womanhood' be helpful for us all I wonder.
@thatsfunny2051 Sometimes people just do get married later on in life. That was the case with both my parents and with the parents of many (maybe even most) of my friends. It sounds like you do want to get married, so you'll be in my prayers. I'm sorry it's been difficult
Single, childless women happened to be among the closest disciples of Our Lord. You have the freedom to go to more Masses, go to Adoration often, spend more time in prayer (15 decade rosary is big). The full successors to the woman disciples of Our Lord are religious sisters, which you should at least try out since they don't make you take any vows for a long time, but there is still so much you can do as it is. God bless you and may Our Lady keep you.
@@rx0102in our modern society, a single childless women doesn't necessarily have that freedom. Most women are worked as if they were men, with no thought whatsoever of their more limited ability to handle it. Modern society sees women as defective men, just as it sees men as defective women. It wants everyone to be grey blobs with no particular gifts or weaknesses
I LOVE her book about the anti-Mary spirit. I recommend it all of the time to women to buy for their girls, especially as graduation gifts. I even buy extra to give away.
The interesting thing is, what Dr. Carrie Gress calls the 'anti-mary spirit' other people call the 'jezebel spirit.' Frankly, I do not think that's a coincidence. I personally believe that Jezebel *WAS* the Anti Mary. While people fear the coming of the Antichrist before Christ's Second Coming, the Anti Mary came before Christ's *FIRST* Coming.
Happy Immaculate Conception feast day everyone…just as God raised up Mary to crush the serpents head, I believe that God is raising up women like Dr Gress to expose the serpents lies in the guise of feminism. Praise God🙏🏼
I grew up in a feminist household; my mother was personally acquainted with the famous second-wave feminists. I read material for kids generated by Ms. Magazine. I later converted to Catholicism and my understanding of feminism’s absolutely corrosive nature has only deepened with the years.
Matt, just after an hour into this, u asked the question what does submission mean and referenced a biblical quote (may have been St Paul’s letter to Ephesians) where he said a man’s duty to his wife is to be willing to die for her. To answer your question: This means that a woman’s duty is to BE WORTH DYING FOR. This is an obligation as huge as the man’s and an equal, albeit reciprocal one. There’s a line from the Queens of the Stone Age song: “Go With the Flow” that’s says “so give me something good to die for…to make it beautiful to live.” A good wife is just that. I’m speaking from experience as a former US Army Infantryman married with 5 kids under 8 and a sixth on the way and I just finished helping with laundry and dishes and garbage bc my pregnant wife is getting some sleep in a rough 1st trimester with a lot of nausea - and I’ll be up in 4-hrs for work in Manhattan. Actually having to die for her is something very few men will actually be called to do just as few are called to martyrdom, but these small sacrifices are small versions of the same thing. Remember what St Francis de Sales said, “do ordinary things extraordinarily well.” THIS is what that great Saint and Doctor of The Church meant.
What a graceful, gentle & intelligent woman Dr Gress is. It was a real pleasure to listen to someone who knows her onions but has nuance & doesn't claim to have answers to everything. Matt led the conversation with interesting & à propos questions & comments. Bravo !!!!
Great episode, my wife has been talking about the anti-mary spirit since her women's book study covered it recently. I was excited to put a face to the name!
My fave line is “How about we go back to the Ten Commandments… the greater issue is sin.” Rewatched this episode after seeing the shorts recently. Still a great watch.
Brilliant woman. Thank you so much for this talk. The world needs to hear this. True story: I was working as a comedy writer in the UK. My office was at Covent Garden in Longacre. We used to go to the pub at lunchtime ,the kings head I think it was called. One day Germaine Greer came in with her very gay secretary. We were introduced because we were fellow Australians. It took me only five minutes of talking to her to realise she was utterly insane, and if she had’ve had therapy for her father daughter issues she would never have written those toxic books. So many of these so called feminists come from a deeply damaged psyche that’s reflected back onto the world. More truth…it’s one of those days. I grew up in a communist household. My father was a Stalinist and high up in the party in Sydney…a union secretary as well. It’s only now I can look back and see how utterly evil they were. They used to all get together to practice what they called free love. One of them was a very well-known communist who stood on the podium with Gorbachev during a Mayday Parade in the Soviet Union. Her name was Frida Brown. She started the green party here because the Labour Party wasn’t radical enough for her. I knew her then as Freda Lewis. She was my “auntie.” I was told. She sexually abused me when I was 12 years old. And my parents knew it was happening. They told me that it was all okay and that my problem was guilt that had been put in my head by a Christian patriarchal society. I kid you not. I never ever met a decent communist. And still haven’t.
There is rightful criticism of how men have often subordinated women through our superior physical strength in past generations, but the point still holds true fallen humanity hurts each other and women becoming oppressors is not the answer.
@@francikeen When you respond directly to my comment beginning with, “women are not oppressors,” that comes across as you making a contradiction to my comment.
@Pints With Aquinas -I think having a discussion on restoring the family economy would be really helpful to contextualize the call of women in the home. The industrial revolution has ruined families and the family economy was destroyed. When the family economy is restored, the question of whether woman can work outside the home becomes nuanced. Men would be working from the home. Many families are doing this, starting homesteads, family businesses where families are working together. I hope this makes sense.
This is amazing! Very informative! I didn’t grow up Feminist but I think all females do pick up things here and there that are feminist without even realizing it. So there’s still some things like the word ‘submitting’ that is hard for me to swallow. Lol I think it’s just that you grow up hearing how oppressed women were at one point and you buy into submitting being really, a bad word. But it’s not. There’s something very freeing and beautiful about submitting. And you are submitting to God who created these rules for us to live by. And they are for our betterment so we really have no reason to complain. So much of this interview had so many facts that I never know. I know there’s many Christian’s and Catholics who say they are Catholic or Christian feminists and I thought that was ok. But this is totally not ok! Lol In their defense I doubt any of them have heard all of this so I am so happy you wrote your books and did this interview. Women deserve to know the lies they have been sold so we can make the changes necessary for us and the generations after us to go back to how God intended things to be.
I loved the book Frankenstein because it’s so emotional and moody and dramatic and sad and I read it as an autistic teenaged girl who had been bullied and felt totally isolated, like I literally was THE target audience
Years ago, I read “The Rules”. It began to help me rethink how I thought about men and dating. The Rules can easily be made christian/catholic. So accurate.
I would LOVE for Dr. Abigail Favale and Dr. Carrie Gress to sit down together for an interview and discuss feminism. Pretty please Matt make it happen!
Why? Favale is a feminist and recent convert. She needs to have a few decades as a Catholic before she will have anything to contribute. Currently she's just another convert with little to show for it.
I had a totally different read on Barbie. The most beautiful woman she saw was elderly. Everyone in Barbieland is plastic and shallow. The natural byproduct of feminism is Ken, a beta male that no serious woman can love. In the end, she decided to join the real world with its beautiful opportunities of suffering and glory. She went to an obgyn, the place you go to ensure the healthy beginning of a family.
Yeah, I kinda see that side too. Greta Gerwig attended Catholic school, so I wonder if her take on women was in fact influenced by the Church more than we realize?
I remember my Catholic stepfather who believed in patriarchy. He repeatedly beat my mother. The law prohibited wife beating, but wife beating was considered a "private matter" and the law was never enforced. I came from a patriarchal abusive marriage where my husband repeatedly reminded me that men were to rule their wives. Of course this loveless Christian message was acoompanied by a heavy dose of severe mental abuse. I have deconverted. As Tina Turner admitted, Christianity is oppressive.
Yes, and this is exactly what Paul warned against. The role of the husband is to love his wife and be willing to sacrifice his life for her. Not take control over her. @@TheGringoSalado
I heard the video one more time (I'm very interested in this issue because I believe that if we solve the problem of the relationship between male and female, everything else is a piece of cake). Matt gives ample credit to Chrysostom and his homily. *You can't get any more conservative than Saint Chrysostom! He was from the 4th century, for crying out-loud* Now, Matt doesn't seem to like the concept of the wife submission as "being under the mission of the husband" (the mission being that of loving his wife even unto death). What I think he fails to realize is that the woman (wife) is already giving all she has to the man (husband). She gives her entire self because of love. In marriage the woman is the most vulnerable of the two. She gives her body, her mind, her strength to him (by definition there is no other way, once she gives her body she gives everything else). The man will never understand such a vulnerability except if he loves the way Christ loves. She does this externally by allowing him to get her pregnant with his children. And in case of a catholic woman, that is faithful to the Church, this involves getting pregnant multiple times (of course you can use Natural Family Planning). Getting pregnant with his children is giving everything. It means giving her own being. Women are already in danger when they get pregnant. They are already sacrificing themselves, perhaps unto death. Pregnancy is dangerous in so many levels. Very dangerous for the woman and for the baby. Taxing on the body and mind. Think of miscarriages, gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, preterm labor, severe, persistent nausea and vomiting, anemia, post-partum depression and others. Therefore, women already, because of their own nature, are giving everything to men. They are giving their own lives away to men by the design of their own nature. Therefore, is it too much to ask for the men to love their wives even unto death? Since we are giving everything already, by design, isn’t it enough that we should support men on their mission which is loving us? Men have to make a conscious decision and effort to love in such a way as Saint Chrysostom describes in his homily. Thoroughly, without holding anything back. Women do this by their own nature. We truly not have a choice in the matter. But women are rebellious. This rebellion can be mitigated by men loving them even unto death, like Christ loves his Church. Then women would trust men. Women do have to make a conscious effort to be submissive. And they should be. Just like in Saint Chrysostom homily.
Thank you for expressing this so eloquently! I hope Matt and his viewers read your comment. I have served as a childbirth educator, doula for 24 years, and more recently as a women’s health/labor & delivery/ mother-baby nurse. The vulnerability women surrender themselves to by receiving their husbands into their bodies, and then welcoming, surrendering to, and nurturing their children within their bodies during pregnancy and childbirth, is immeasurable. Post birth, the nurturing, sustaining, and surrendering to their children through constant, countless daily (and nightly) sacrifices (think feeding their children out of their very bodies for years) to safeguard their well-being and nurture health in loving arms. Women, wives, mothers are constantly surrendering and submitting their lives and bodies to their families. The notion that women ought to be subject to reprimand and chastisement at their conferences in the same drill-sergeant or tough-coach way that men may appreciate, is profoundly missing the mark. How desperate we are to be seen, to be cherished, to be honored, protected, and guarded from such bullying tactics. Women recoil with the word “submission” because so many men fail to lay down their lives as a living sacrifice of love and fail to grasp and understand the profound vulnerability of their wives. Women are justifiably afraid of the men who dictate their need for obedience and submission, because so many men, out of their own brokenness, readily slip into a mindset of domination. Many weaker men (spiritually and emotionally) are unwilling or not yet able to love and serve vulnerably as our Lord did, “even unto death”. Women readily surrender to their husbands when they feel safe, seen, and profoundly and sacrificially loved. The surest way for a man to gain the respect (submission and obedience) of his wife is for him to radically pursue our Lord. In conforming himself to Christ and becoming the physical image of our Savior and his infinite love to his wife and children, he will be revered and blessed by them. Many women have been deprived of the opportunity to encounter such men in their lives. Unfortunately, they often have many examples of exactly the opposite. This creates fear. Fear that they must wrangle care, protection, security, etc. on their own. For both men and women, growing in their relationship with our good God can slowly (or sometimes dramatically) bring about the deep healing of wounds necessary to trust one another in the intimacy and vulnerability of marriage. If husband and wife pray together, they have an opportunity to grow in the grace of their vocations alongside one another, encouraging one another into healing and wholeness while honing in on their personal growth in holiness. I’ve been blessed with a good, strong man who desires holiness. We’ve been married for 31 years. We both love sacrificially and seek healing in our areas of brokenness. We are very much together-together helping each other on the journey to holiness. We are gracious with each other because it’s a tough journey at times, both individually and as a couple. We don’t need to dictate behavior to one another. I have never said, “Man up” to him, especially when he has clearly been in his most vulnerable moments as a husband, father, and provider. He has certainly never bludgeoned me with the dictate to submit to him when I have been tempted through my own sincere sense of fear and vulnerability to grasp and wrangle with control. In our weakest moments we strive to show up even more as loving spouses, eager to bind one another’s wounds and speak life into fear. Again, when men lead as Jesus leads, fear melts away and trust and surrender naturally follow. Perfect love casts out all fear. Women fear the words “submission and obedience” because almost all of us have encountered the abuse of power by those who were called to lead us in the past. The remedy is Jesus! Conformity to him is the solution. Men are called to this profound leadership within their homes. Good leaders never have to coerce or demand a following. They inspire one! ❤
@@UnaVincemus there we go, they censored me because I pointed to a different channel… oh well, I can’t give advice as the rabbi from the video because I wouldn’t give it justice so I will tell you: read the homily by Saint Chrysostom and you will see what loving your wife entails.
On the submission question: I HIGHLY recommend Mary Stanford's book, The Obedience Paradox. I interviewed her about it but I won't link to it here cause I don't want to use Matt's comment section for self promotion.
Leo XIII, Encyclical Arcanum, February 10, 1880. The authority of the father over his family: “Not only, in strict truth, was marriage instituted for the propagation of the human race, but also that the lives of husbands and wives might be made better and happier. This comes about in many ways: by their lightening each other's burdens through mutual help; by constant and faithful love; by having all their possessions in common; and by the heavenly grace which flows from the sacrament. Marriage also can do much for the good of families, for, so long as it is conformable to nature and in accordance with the counsels of God, it has power to strengthen union of heart in the parents; to secure the holy education of children; to temper the authority or the father by the example of the divine authority; to render children obedient to their parents and servants obedient to their masters.” Encyclical Sapientiæ Christianæ, January 10, 1890. The husband is the head of his family: “This is a suitable moment for us to exhort especially heads of families to govern their households.” Encyclical Rerum Novarum, May 15, 1891. The husband is the head of the wife: “Secondly, the mutual duties of husband and wife have been defined, and their several rights accurately established. They are bound, namely, to have such feelings for one another as to cherish always very great mutual love, to be ever faithful to their marriage vow, and to give one another an unfailing and unselfish help. The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and in her who obeys, a heaven-born love guiding both in their respective duties. For “the husband is the head of the wife; as Christ is the head of the Church…. Therefore, as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let wives be to their husbands in all things.”
Thank you for this! I’m finding that in the effects of sin…our Catholic School is teaching morality and teens are hurt to hear about IVF being evil - when that’s how they were brought in the world. I agree with the Church’s teaching, but this is just a new difficulty and reality we are coming across.
IVF is so evil and it does break my heart to hear that this knowledge is hurting kids but I really don't know any way around it. We all have to learn that our parents are sinful at some point. No one is perfect and that is a super hard lesson for kids who look up to and respect their parents (as they should). It is up to the parents to, with humility, explain that they did sin and show their children that they are endeavoring to do better. This helps the kids to respect them even more!
The Engels quote about 'raising children is not productive to society' .... Well, how about you don't have a society then? No people to be in society, your society dies with you. How's that for a legacy? Smh
'Feminine genius' as a term is, in my mind, associated with Edith Stein and JPII. It worked be great to further propagate it, particularly in reference to those two great saints. And Edith Stein is to me especially great regarding the subject. She was favoring women's rights and education etc. While JPII theology of the body and writings on women or family are quite widely known among Catholics, hers aren't that very much popular in the wider public.
I have loved every episode you have ever done, Matt, and I respect Dr Gress (and have one of her books), but Im struggling about whether or not I can listen to this. I heartily concur that feminism has done women little good, but as someone who has experienced (and am.still experiencing) the less healthy side of the evangelical/calvinist "patriarchal"/ "complimentarian" worldview in my home and faith community, Im weary of talk glorfying the Patriarchy even when its done ina more nuanced way. Men who glorify the patriarchy in my circles, for instance, wouldnt want to hear anything Dr Gress has to say on the matter because, as a woman, she cannot be a source of wisdom for them as men may never learn from.women. They would be suspicious, even, of her teaching other women or even having a phd to begin with. I know that the Catholic tradition doesnt hold these extreme views, at least not today, but because of how harsh.and warped my current mileau is, Patriarchy has developed a very negative tone to me. As a Christian woman I seek the Kingdom of God, not the Patriarchy of men.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357We refer to all of the members of the Trinity by male pronouns but they are definitively not male. God has no body, no sex and no gender, only the human nature taken on by Christ is male.
I would suggest that much of the conversation here is on the fringes of what the Church teaches in this area. I would describe some of the ideas that Dr Gress and Matt float or allude to as pretty extreme, particularly when it comes to women's work, voting etc.
Since you say you are a Christian woman seeking the Kingdom of God, I will simply point you to God's Word, where He Himself declares that hierarchy isn't evil (as even the Holy Trinity exists as a hierarchy within the Godhead), and that He has made a hierarchy among His creatures, "22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands." - Ephesians 5:22-24 Three short verses, before a much bolder and longer statement of what it means for a man to be a husband, to be a head (to die for his bride as Christ died for His bride), as Jesus taught us that we lead by serving.
@@rev.steveandrews2227 Yes, it does read that way if you jump over verse 21 "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ". Prior to the addition of verse divisions this line introduces the section, and makes it clear that the subordination spoken of is not simple or one way.
My family has stories about my great-grandmother. Her 9-year-old son got hit and killed by a car, and she got into this spiritualism that you're are talking about. Both she and her husband died in the next couple of years.
It's sad to think about the damage that has been done with all the spiritualism and feminism over the years. It's probably unrelated, but having spiritualism in your family tree can't be good. That's all
1:02:45 I was this woman until age 26 when I started to wonder why I couldn’t find a good masculine provider to marry. After years of searching for answers, I finally got married at 32. Now I help single women and men solve these issues so they can be happy too 😊
Dracula is better (and has a much better depiction of women, incidentally) than Frankenstein, largely because 2/3 of Frankenstein have nothing the do with the plot and could have been cut.
Bless you Carrie, I have been really struggling with the Feminist movement for many, many years....even to the point where I have been looking for an anti-feminist group to join..........can't wait to read your books.
This is so black and white 😮 Either you are a stay at home mom of super many kids or you are a unfeminine career woman 😮 She is totally speaking womanhood only from motherhood point of view and that is what in church circles I hear since I joined the catholic church. I need to justify my "not having children" to every alien, and if I do not reveal that I am not mother from the fact that I had cancer when I was 21 and am missing some system relevant body parts, I get stampt as a man like career woman. That is so frustrating as I think that it is nobody's business to know about me deep deep wound, the tragedy of not been able to get children as even because of the doubts of living very long not even considering adoption. My own mother passed away very young and I know how it is to grow up without a mom. When then diagnosed with 21, just before getting married, it is logical to everyone who knows me that we will not adopt children. But the strangers who do not know me, to them I am a selfish career woman. I do not go to work, my husband is providing for us financially and is a very loving and caring man. I know multiple very conservative catholic women who are broken-hearted because they cannot naturally get children AND the way about them is talked in catholic circles is that one is not a true woman, when not a mother 😢 Really this talk makes me not being able to be happy that I did not die to that cancer at that time as the result is that I am never accepted as a full woman. What am I then?
No one is saying women cannot work, we are saying that you are called to motherhood and the queendom of the family first and foremost, If you have a child, it is your duty to structure your life in accord to your duty as a mother first and foremost as it is the duty of the father and society at large to support you in this duty.
I like how even after all that… Matt presses the issue of admitting women need to submit to their husbands aaaaand we still end up talking about “what men need to do.”
@@Selahsmum and I had the exact opposite impression when I was dating. Men and women will both feel like the issue rests more so on the other because that is who they are primarily concerned with. And this is an episode on the evils of feminism… it’s curious that even here- there is an obstacle to women admitting that their duty is to submit. Even your comment mimics the irony I was pointing out.
This topic is so needed! But I would push back with the point that women are not called to be better. I don’t go to women’s conferences, but I see a lot of topics directed towards women by women. It’s rarely depicted as this uplifting “go girl” narrative. Maybe that because I’m seeing a lot of this from Christian media, but women tend to be pretty harsh towards each other in this area. I wish there was more taught about the “how” to be a better wife/mom and less of “just be a better wife and mom”.
A book (which was based on her newspaper column) which really inspired me and made me long to get in touch with my femininity was Hints from Heloise. Heloise was a housewife who loved gathering and sharing tips from housewives across the nation on how to make housework more pleasant and more thrifty; how to beautify oneself and one's home, using more imagination and innovation than money. And it was clear that the lady herself was really someone who loved being at home, loved her family - because her joie de vivre was contagious. Though she was from a totally different time, she awakened something within me and made me wish I lived in her time, when women were free to love their homes, husbands, children, communities. Free to relish the creativity of the domestic arts. And Feminists made fun of women like her. They really put her down as if her type was silly, brain-dead.One could feel a twinge of guilt for wishing to live in her world. I found my little collection of Heloise's hints at thrift shops, where they can still be found, in the used books sections.
1:21:48 Been in Holy Deadlock for almost 40 years, submission is barely even lip service. And has been from the very FIRST day. Has been only worse ever since in every "Traditional" aspect since. Too poor to leave and have a handicapped son. Only thing to pray for is that the cancer finishes me off next time and that I have suffered enough to have earned a back row seat in Heaven. I gave up years ago fighting for a decent marriage and "City Hall" at Church.
Thank you. Sometimes as husbands, we struggle to understand our wives plus the overlay of divorce culture, feminism, and the misandry we know is undeserved. Where is this coming from and how to not take it personally? What to do? Then what to say to those older women in churches who are teaching younger women these destructive ways? Sometimes we don’t know what to pray or say. At other times, we know the right words must come from other women. Many prayers for Christian women- we love you ladies as you minister to one another is a special way. Prayers 💯
I am Not a feminist. In fact. I am a stay at home mom and very active in my Parish. Two things that Came out of the 1st wave, was laws that gave women ownership of their wages and inheritance. (Some places already allowed this but not every where) also equal rights (if not more right than men) to their children.
A takeaway I get from this is the difference between submitting to THE PATRIARCHY vs submitting to the patriarch of my home. In a crippled world, I have good reason to feel insecure about placing trust and confidence in men in general, but I have discerned well the person I am married to, and trust his authority over my home. Giving him that position of authority empowers him to do his job well. He cares for us because he knows we depend on him to do so. If I tear down his role, why should I expect him to occasionally uphold it?
I feel like until we stop walking on eggshells about what's a Christian womans role is in a marriage, we will never fix this issue. I don't know how many sermons I've sat through talking about marriage where the paster completely goes off on men, and then when it comes to the womans portion, he continues to go off on men. Women do not get told their wrong anywhere in society, including the pulpit. Paul was very clear, but we won't clarification because we want to let women off the hook. We aren't helping women by not telling them hard truths.
That’s between a man and a woman within marriage what they want their roles and duties to be. Before marriage people really need to lay out what they want within marriage and desire of their spouse. That’s it! That’s the key of a happy life! My husband and I talked endlessly while engaged about our future. And we are 100% compatible making it a non issue to even speak about our ‘roles and duties’. This is why this trend among men that they think women are coddled is so sick to me. You could not be more far off! You just are not wise enough apparently to discern compatibility with a woman
Thank you for this episode! I’ve read the Anti-Mary and The End of Woman book, they are both EXCELLENT. Highly recommend!!! Also, the Theology of the Home blog is wonderful!
Love Dr Gress book on The Marian Option! Also, to all the easily offended people in this comment section, you can choose to watch certain podcast or episodes as you wish. Its your choice. You can find some truth in what Matt and Carrie or The Gordons talk about, and not be fully supportive of every other thing they say/do. Like you don't actually interact with these people, and likely never will. Seriously, just chill, go to Mass, pray the Rosary, its a feast day people!
Bit scary, isn't it. Beginning to rethink my first impressions of this channel.. 🤔 I'd seen so many rigorous thinkers as guests before.. this is just two mates getting together to bash women's rights.
@@finchsparrowbird It really does make you wonder. If they are going to really lean in to free speech etc., removing criticism from comments seems pretty off. There is a lot, wrong with this discussion other than this of course!
@@UnaVincemus Hey mate, I think you're oversalting the egg a bit. I was just commenting on what I observed in the comments. If you want further evidence, look into replies and check out how many responses there are to missing replies. My second sentence was an argument for my first, although very casually put. I think it is fair to expect that a video like this would attract at absolute minimum a split of responses if they weren't being 'curated'. I also have no idea why I would respond to the ideas in the video here. I wasn't addressing those?
It truly confounds me that a woman who has an education and a PhD can sit down and with all her education and work experience (that would not have been possible without some of the efforts of feminism) write a book on how literally no aspect of feminism is good. That makes me genuinely question whether this is a serious endeavor or this is capitalizing on reactionary culture, both in the left and the right.
no one said nothing about feminism is good, we said that it is a rotten and corrupt thing from root to fruit, a bad poisonous tree can still provide shade.
I wish someone would practically show how patriarchy operates. This and Rules for Retrogrades make a convincing case for patriarchy. Ok, I'm sold. What does that mean? When a couple or a community say "right, let's do patriarchy", how does behavior change? Or does it?
It does. Try reading "Getting to I DO" by Pat Allen. She lays out nicely how to be the compliment to your partner, either traditional male or female roles, you get to be one, not both (which she diagnoses as narcissism).
Check out a book called Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation by Rachel Wilson. It's a nice compliment to Dr Gress' Anti-Mary exposed book.
As a Christian since I was a small child, I even was infiltrated with the lies of feminism. Except I put a Christian spin on it. I had the attitude that I was going to be the hero. My heroes were the single women who went out on the mission field. There weren't many women I read about who had a family and were on the mission field. I though a man and family was going to hold me back from fulfilling what God wanted of me. It wasn't until I lost my mom that I came to see that I did desire a family. And God softened my heart towards having a husband and family. It was also meeting families on the mission field that I came to realize that families don't have to hold you back and they can help to break cultural barriers. I think God calls us to both singleness and marriage. But it wasn't until my mid to late 20s that I came to see marriage and children as blessing instead of a curse. And that had to do with the culture around me telling me that I need no man. That children will hold me back from being fulfilled.
In charity, Matt could examine his attitude towards women. He drips condescension every time he voices an opinion in that regard. I.E (paraphrasing) “I don’t go to women’s conferences, but they just coddle women”, “homilies on submission cower in placating women”. It concerns me to see a prominent Catholic commentator who seems to have at best a profoundly limited and even at times, antagonist view on women.
Wow! My goal is to read Carrie Gress this summer. Reading Percy Bysshe Shelley’s page on Wikipedia is very depressing… especially his use and discarding of those young women. 😩 Interestingly, Mary Shelley’s father Godwin, preached free love until it was his daughter on the line. Such a soap opera! When Matt says “Dear Lord,” I was like yep, you’re speaking for us all. (Us being folks who see the world slip-sliding out of control and wondering if it’s a concerted effort by certain unnatural Forces).
I absolutely love your books! They are a wonderful encouragement to be feminine and counter-cultural. I love that you go through the history of feminism it’s interesting and greatly discredits it. Feminism is so toxic to women. I recommended anti-Mary exposed to my book club we are reading it together next month. I’m stay-at-home mother of four so far. Thank you for your example :)
I remember watching a film from maybe Romania about a woman seeking an abortion during the Communist era. The message seemed to be something like the Communist Party is getting between women and safe, legal abortions.
The women at the spirit table were not talking to a spirit they were talking to demonic angels or demons Peoples souls go to heaven or hell.Peoples souls don't hang out on earth continuously.
I'm actually shocked at how poorly Dr. Gress understands the feminist perspective, and how poor her answer are. "Feminism just wants to make women like men." Is...not a unique or new perspective or criticism on this issue, and it generalizes feminism to the point of obscurity every feminist question, criticism, issue. Patriarchy is... "what God designed." Is that the kind of definition and thinking of a woman with a doctorate? Isn't there more? "Early feminists were into the occult." An interesting discussion if it didn't reduce to a genetic fallacy. How is that remotely fair? I don't totally disagree with her, because I affirm an orthodox view of gender, marriage, etc. as endorsed and taught by the deposit of faith, but I'm very surprised. I was really disappointed by this discussion.
@@d.k.6711and Paradise Lost. Either she didn’t read the book or didn’t understand the book if she walked away thinking Satan was the good guy of that story
I think the difference between the magazines that show a near-impossible level of beauty and the media that might show the beauty of a homemaker/her home/how she presents herself is a question of autonomy regarding the level of frustration/attraction women might have with them. For me to attain a level of attractiveness from a magazine like Cosmo, it really isn't about anyone else. It's about just me going to the gym or working out, just me going to the salon, just me getting whatever treatments I need to have that look. When it's about beauty in the home or even how a wife/mother presents herself, it's about me juggling not just my own dominion over myself and body, but I'm juggling a husband, children, and a messy house that needs to be cleaned. There are all these other elements that are contending with my ability to get things done and to keep them at a certain level. I'm not saying it's correct for women to desire the Cosmo magazine over something that encourages real feminine beauty, but I'm simply analyzing why it might be the case the women are attracted to the former than the latter.
Okay, so yes, the bigger issue is sin. What about giving women domestic violence shelters? The right to open their own bank account? This just glosses over so many important issues.
There could have been a push for that without demonic seances and pushing for the immorality of abortion, normalizing extramarital sex, and the explicitly goal of breaking down the nuclear family
Aspects of feminism was like the Martin Luther of sex dynamics. Creating a full schism instead of martyrs and trying to fix the issues. Historically it's always some misguided overreach that breaks more down the line. Sorry society, I'm not fixing my leak with a sledgehammer. We're adults, not activist children.
The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution. The stories of Kate Millett are ample evidence of that. What we learn from the book is that the wrong way to solve these problems was to enculturate girls and women into wanting and grasping after the same things men want or is in their nature to do..
24:20 When you think about it, the choice to use the term “free love” to mean indiscriminate se.x is itself a feminine view of the situation. If se.xual morays were suddenly opened up, and men decided on the term for it, we absolutely wouldn’t include the word “love” in the title. It’s women who link physical intimacy with emotional intimacy.
You guys are quite late to the anti-feminism party, better late than never, good to see mainstream catholic channels preaching this. Other females voices good for this topic are Rachel Wilson and Steph Gordon, those ladies are pioneers on this.
😂are you serious? 2 most heinous ladies out there you think are great role models. The anti-feminism party is just a female hating party. Many of us good women subscribe to neither one. You all suck and are heading our society in very dangerous directions. Amazing how people can’t just be normal. Men and women are all important. And putting one or the other down is not the way
July 2021 he had Rachael Killackey on. She talked a great extent about modern feminism and some of its history. I wouldn't say Pints is late on its content in these regards.
I became radicalized mid-marriage in my twenties by the feminist section of a college library near home (I love to read and was a stay at home mom/wife to a traditional man in Europe) and a women's "spirituality" group led by a Wiccan Lesbian "priestess." After the divorce, back in the US, I began listening to talk radio (Dr. Laura, Dennis Praeger, and others) and kicking and screaming, the wool was removed from my eyes and I finally repented of toxic feminism. It had not only ruined my marriage, but also my child's life, hurt my husband deeply, and his parents. Some reflections: My mother, a widow with 3 kids, went back to college to get a better job to support us (she never remarried). My in-laws were counter-cultural in many ways (they broke traditions and conventions except for getting and staying married). I remember an aunt telling me her husband wanted her to stay home with their children but she insisted on going into the workforce and it ended their marriage. Her husband died by his own gun, her son had a serious drug addiction and followed his father in death by rope. She later admitted to me that her husband was right, she wished she had listened to him - working is not all that. I also remember for awhile young women eschewing education with the goal to marry up (that was a thing in popular culture for awhile). I think a case can be made for job-readiness because husbands can become disabled, die, abandon the family. Education, like anything good, can be abused. I reverted to the Church five years ago. God works in His time, not ours. But I wish I had been catechized and taught Catholic values sooner. My happiest memories are not from the workplace, but my home and family (while it was intact). The answer to how to put this into practice is to be a better Catholic, strive for holiness! Benignity, long suffering, silence, patience, the corporal and spiritual mercies, offering up and participation in Christ's suffering. Staying under God's protection within His holy order (hierarchy / patriarchy) from attacks of the evil one would have saved a whole lot of pain, disordered and broken relationships. I heard this interview with Dr. Gress and immediately bought 2 of her books for a start. I want to know what happened to me, dreading the pain of looking back but I need to know. God bless.
Appreciate the revelation of truth behind this movement. Satan is the great deceiver. The woman who asked about needing two incomes to support the family. My first thought was reevaluate your lifestyle. There's probably things to eliminate and cut back. Loved Matt's answer
What a grace from God to have this evil exposed by a faithful Catholic woman. I will recommend this book to my circle of women friends. I was treated with such disrespect as a stay at home mother in the 70’s & 80’s. Oh how blessed I am now celebrating 50 years of faithful marriage and our many children and grandchildren. This is treasure beyond all measure.
Think of how much more you could've done if you'd been out in the world helping society
After my children became adults I did have a successful Real Estate career.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet She has done alot for society in raising good children to become good men and women and more importantly, she has honored God in helping shape souls for the heavenly Kingdom.
Oh blessed sister, thank you for your efforts. The world cannot honor mothers enough.
@ASMRyouVEGANyet Society wouldn't exist if it wasn't for her and women like her. You can't have society without people and we would have people without women like her.
In all the talk about how disordered it is for mothers to be out of the home and away from their kids, I am struck that no one comments how disordered it is for fathers to be gone all day as well. For much of human history, the father was at home--in the workshop, working the fields, minding the books---and certainly his sons, at least, if not his daughters, were working alongside. The father gone all day is a product of the industrial revolution and industrial agriculture. One can be an absentee father even if you come home every night, if your mind is too frazzled to be attentive to your kids or you're working a 60-hour week.
I don't know how that's reconciled in our modern world. An electrician can't bring his kid to work, nor can a lawyer or a doctor. It may be impossible. But a real reactionary has to look past the 1950s or 1900s to the 1800s or 1700s to see how much "natural" family life has changed in the last century-and-a-half, and ask how could both parents be more available to their kids. I've noticed in my own life, at least, that as my kids approach their teen years, that my day-to-day fathering of them increases in importance.
The Industrial Revolution consequences
One of the things that Uncle Ted was correct about. It's unfortunate that he was so disordered, and his 'solutions' were so reprehensible. He identified the problem, but not the answer. @@retrorenegade1967
Most insightful comment yet. I'm expecting ahistorical and ill-informed comments in this section, otherwise. 👏👏👏 Women also worked in the fields, barns, etc, and children followed. Having a mother at home to cook and clean is a middle-class aspiration, sometimes luxury, that very few members of humanity have "enjoyed". Most families in the world have been unable to afford an able-bodied person to stay-at-home and not earn money to add to the family income pool. I can't believe commentators are so short-sighted!
This is a very true point and comment. How do we reconcile that though so that fathers can be more available?
@@Alexa-un7ky If it's possible to support a family on the equivalent of a single income, then perhaps both parents could work 20-25 hours part-time. Alternatively, one could work a 30-to-35-hour "full-time" job to get benefits and the other a 10-15 hour job. Remote at home is possible in some professions. But for the majority of people, getting paid $25/hour or less, working outside the home, and often at odd hours, I don't think it's possible outside of a radical re-imagination of family life, probably along the lines of what is the norm in other cultures: multi-family, multi-generation, with grandparents more involved. The other possibility might be home-based businesses and homeschooling in a proximate community where kids can walk to see friends, perhaps in a dense suburb, city, or small town.
Love Carrie Gress. I read her book the Anti-Mary while I was working at Planned Parenthood and it changed my life.
Are you the one that she refers to at the end of this interview? She states how someone left their job at planned parenthood after reading her book. I'm a former worker of theirs as well. I was crying at times all this overwhelming truth/facts was being discussed
Yes I think so! I feel your pain. It’s a lot to overcome and work through. I’m here if you want to connect- we share a crazy experience!
@@rachell6965 yes that would be great! whats a good way to reach you? I'm currently listening to the audio version of the book.
Sitting here taking notes! I wish I had this guidance and never left the church when I was younger; it would have saved me years of heartache. I struggled for years running my own business while trying to juggle being a wife and mother. “Feminism” almost destroyed my marriage. I will rejoin the church this coming Easter and recently decided to close my business to focus on family and the Lord. I can’t get those years back, but I can take back my future. 🙏🏻
So beautiful. God bless you and the sacrifice you are making for you and your family. And welcome back. Merry Christmas!
I wish you the very best. I truly believe that with sacrifice comes rewards and any sacrifice we do for our family God will give you graces and many blessings. ❤️❤️
Desiring to protect women from abuse is not feminism its justice. You don’t need a separate movement for every type of injustice.
“Free love, is neither free nor loving, but more so enslaved passion” Wow 👏🏾😮💨
We pulled our kids from a Catholic grade school (in a very conservative area of the country) because of several factors. The last straw was a history day display where 8th graders at the school had produced a display extolling the virtues of Betty Friedan. That was the moment we decided to homeschool.
Yikes. I homeschool as well good for you!
In my experience and social circle, 95% of couples are divorced. In 100% of those divorces, the woman ended the marriage. To the best of my knowledge, none of the men were unfaithful, drunkards, abusive, or unable to provide. Here is a scary statistic. In the U.S., 90% of married college-educated women will end up divorcing their husbands.
I married a college-educated Catholic woman. She started socializing with a group of feminist women. After 16 years of marriage, she divorced me. Her reason? "It's not working for me." How can anyone use that to justify destroying a family? Feminism has taught women to be selfish.
Your book is essential, and I pray it saves as many lives as possible, but I fear feminism is too entrenched. Feminism is the air we breathe. Mostly, I fear for my grandchildren.
Don't worry, Islam is taking over.
Perhaps "the plan" is for Islam to course correct society in regards to f'ism, and then a move of the Holy Spirit to course correct for Islam?
How providential for this to be put out today, on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
I wasn't able to have children, due to a drunk driver when I was 10 years old riding on my brothers Big Wheel.
It was very difficult for me, who wanted babies.
My grandmother had 14...my mom had 7...and I couldn't have 1.
I did get pregnant twice..and both times, the pregnancies were ectopic.
I adopted my son (3 months old) when I was 25.
I also did foster care (27 children) and raised my nephew from when he was born.
What I realized, is that God had a plan for me.
That plan may have been different from traditional motherhood...but one thing I can tell you, is that I have mothered and nurtured so many children in my life...and some grown children too (ha)!
Be open to God's plan...even if it looks different than the one you planned on.
You are only 33 years old!
You are far from being over the hill.(ha)
Put yourself out there...trust God...and I promise you that great things will come your way!
God bless you my friend! ⚘️
Praised be the Lord, you are a mother or at least a mother figure to more than 30 kids! More than you could have cared for if you took the traditional route of motherhood! That's so amazing, you are doing God's work!
I myself had not a foster mom but a foster grandma. She was an older neighbour of ours and she taught me different skills, she was so kind and caring with us, I grew up thinking that she's my grandmother until later I learned that we weren't related at all. She was a better grandma to me than my biological one. I often think about her and hope she's enjoying heaven right now.
Wow, God bless you, what a beautiful gift you have been to all of those children!!!
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I honestly see it the other way around.
These children helped me to fulfill my need for motherhood!
God bless your soul
God bless you!
I’m a Brazilian living in Australia. To be honest I was raised with a very feminist mind, not because my mum or the women from my family were feminist but because unfortunately most of them suffered too much with bad husbands that complete disrespected them and that always took advantage of being the providers of the house and thought that because of that they could do whatever they can.
My whole life a heard things like “study hard and find a good work so you will never need to depend on any man”, or “between a good husband and a good work, pick the work without even thinking”.
They have no idea of who Simone Debovoir was, or anything about the feminist movement but because the feminist narrative uses a real issue to grow then people buy the idea very easily.
For me is more than convince women about how bad the feminist movement is, for me the solution is to teach men to be good men.
A don’t know any woman who would fight with a man, when the man plays the role as they should. We need to recover good Christian masculine minds, teach men to be like Saint Joseph, and then women will naturally go back to their place.
Yes, this all starts with weak selfish men who, as the head, abandoned their role. And the resulting hurt and chaos in the family ensured.
This is a great point! The worldly version of every ideology is sinful because it’s selfish. If we shift the language from “What can I get?” to “how can I serve?” we’d see a positive change.
So true. Femenism wouldn't come into existence if men didn't abuse their leadership role.
This is why the Chruch has been emphasizing the role of the man in marriage as saint Paul states (paraphrasing) "loving his wife as Christ loved the Church to the point of giving His live for her on the Cross". Men must understand that they have to love their wives and die daily for them and this means die to their egos every day. If a woman senses this from her husband (plus good judgement) she will just surrender to him easily.
Women give their bodies to their husbands and are vulnerable in doing this. Their nature is one of vulnerability. They give their bodies and then pregnancy happens thus they are vulnerable by nature and if they can't trust their husbands the relationship breaks down. But women can do many things: get educated (not in order to despise men but because education is good), exercise their civil rights and civil participation (not to bash men but to be an integral part of their communities), educate good men (after all they are mothers to new generation of men). These are strengths that help a woman be a better partner to her husband. Still she needs to trust in his love and judgement.
Blaming men as usual. A feminist mind indeed...
Doctor Ignaz Semmelweiss was an OB who learned that handwashing in childbirth was important to reduce the risk of maternal sepsis after delivery in birth. He had a nervous breakdown from attacks on him after he promoted his hypothesis, which of course proved true over time as infectious disease was proved. (Germ Theory, Louis Pasteur etc). The poor man died in an "insane asylum" from a beating by a guard and subsequent infection. He is a tragic heroic figure.
Quite a familiar and sad story of questioning elites and what liars will do to keep up a lie…reminds me of what happened to the doctors who actually believe in science and went against the fake virus hysteria of 2020
Very sad to hear that. No good deed goes unpunished, it is said.
I wish there was more content on 'motherhood' for single, childless women. I'm single and childless, and at 33, that might never change. I hear a lot about spiritual motherhood, but it mainly relates to being a religious sister. and I have no interest in doing that. All I have been able to come up with is that I need to be a good daughter and a good friend.
Spiritual motherhood is using your womanly traits to nurture anyone who needs nurturing too. If you have a job, that could be listening with attentiveness of a mother to whoever needs you. It could be providing a meal for a family that you know of that just had a child. Motherhood looks at someone who is in need and goes in haste, like Mary, to help them in their need.
There are people who marry later in life and end up having children (biological or adopted) in their 40s! God is great and places things in our path at the right time. God bless
I am the mother to an adopted child, our only daughter. My vocational life is lived in many ways - as a teacher, volunteer chaplaincy, family life. Could using the word 'womanhood' be helpful for us all I wonder.
@thatsfunny2051 Sometimes people just do get married later on in life. That was the case with both my parents and with the parents of many (maybe even most) of my friends. It sounds like you do want to get married, so you'll be in my prayers. I'm sorry it's been difficult
Single, childless women happened to be among the closest disciples of Our Lord. You have the freedom to go to more Masses, go to Adoration often, spend more time in prayer (15 decade rosary is big). The full successors to the woman disciples of Our Lord are religious sisters, which you should at least try out since they don't make you take any vows for a long time, but there is still so much you can do as it is. God bless you and may Our Lady keep you.
@@rx0102in our modern society, a single childless women doesn't necessarily have that freedom.
Most women are worked as if they were men, with no thought whatsoever of their more limited ability to handle it.
Modern society sees women as defective men, just as it sees men as defective women. It wants everyone to be grey blobs with no particular gifts or weaknesses
I love Carrie so much! One of my heroines and love that she’s navigating the current culture with us!
I LOVE her book about the anti-Mary spirit. I recommend it all of the time to women to buy for their girls, especially as graduation gifts. I even buy extra to give away.
The interesting thing is, what Dr. Carrie Gress calls the 'anti-mary spirit' other people call the 'jezebel spirit.' Frankly, I do not think that's a coincidence. I personally believe that Jezebel *WAS* the Anti Mary. While people fear the coming of the Antichrist before Christ's Second Coming, the Anti Mary came before Christ's *FIRST* Coming.
Thnx will look into it!
Don't forget her other book about Mary, "The Marian Option". Also very good.
Sames!
Added these to my Christmas list! So excited to read!
Happy Immaculate Conception feast day everyone…just as God raised up Mary to crush the serpents head, I believe that God is raising up women like Dr Gress to expose the serpents lies in the guise of feminism. Praise God🙏🏼
But you know without feminism she wouldn't be able to be here? Why isn't she at home with her kids?
@@user-bl4lf9rg8m that's patently false, did you even watch the video?
@@user-bl4lf9rg8mWomen were promonent and happier before feminism. You are confusing soft power with a complete lack of power.
Her Anti Mary book changed my life. GOD BLESS YOU Carrie ❤
Totally agree! It's eye opening.
I grew up in a feminist household; my mother was personally acquainted with the famous second-wave feminists. I read material for kids generated by Ms. Magazine. I later converted to Catholicism and my understanding of feminism’s absolutely corrosive nature has only deepened with the years.
The best word ever to describe feminism and redpill: corrosive
Went to purchase her book, after listening to the interview. Such an important work of our time.
Matt, just after an hour into this, u asked the question what does submission mean and referenced a biblical quote (may have been St Paul’s letter to Ephesians) where he said a man’s duty to his wife is to be willing to die for her. To answer your question: This means that a woman’s duty is to BE WORTH DYING FOR. This is an obligation as huge as the man’s and an equal, albeit reciprocal one. There’s a line from the Queens of the Stone Age song: “Go With the Flow” that’s says “so give me something good to die for…to make it beautiful to live.” A good wife is just that. I’m speaking from experience as a former US Army Infantryman married with 5 kids under 8 and a sixth on the way and I just finished helping with laundry and dishes and garbage bc my pregnant wife is getting some sleep in a rough 1st trimester with a lot of nausea - and I’ll be up in 4-hrs for work in Manhattan. Actually having to die for her is something very few men will actually be called to do just as few are called to martyrdom, but these small sacrifices are small versions of the same thing. Remember what St Francis de Sales said, “do ordinary things extraordinarily well.” THIS is what that great Saint and Doctor of The Church meant.
God bless You and your family.
What a graceful, gentle & intelligent woman Dr Gress is. It was a real pleasure to listen to someone who knows her onions but has nuance & doesn't claim to have answers to everything. Matt led the conversation with interesting & à propos questions & comments. Bravo !!!!
Great episode, my wife has been talking about the anti-mary spirit since her women's book study covered it recently. I was excited to put a face to the name!
Just ordered her book as a treat to myself . Can’t wait to dive in. An incredibly important message!
I want to hear a conversation between her and Abigail Favale on this channel
I am currently reading this book and its full of wisdom to say the least. Its very good and thank you for writing it.
You should get Rachel Wilson on she's done a huge amount of research into first wave feminism
I was thinking the same thing. Rachel Wilson and Dr.Carrie Gress having a discussion about Feminism and its occultic roots would be fascinating.
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He has had her on the show, but I think it would be interesting to have her and Dr. Gress on.
My fave line is “How about we go back to the Ten Commandments… the greater issue is sin.” Rewatched this episode after seeing the shorts recently. Still a great watch.
Brilliant woman. Thank you so much for this talk. The world needs to hear this. True story: I was working as a comedy writer in the UK. My office was at Covent Garden in Longacre. We used to go to the pub at lunchtime ,the kings head I think it was called. One day Germaine Greer came in with her very gay secretary. We were introduced because we were fellow Australians. It took me only five minutes of talking to her to realise she was utterly insane, and if she had’ve had therapy for her father daughter issues she would never have written those toxic books. So many of these so called feminists come from a deeply damaged psyche that’s reflected back onto the world.
More truth…it’s one of those days. I grew up in a communist household. My father was a Stalinist and high up in the party in Sydney…a union secretary as well. It’s only now I can look back and see how utterly evil they were. They used to all get together to practice what they called free love. One of them was a very well-known communist who stood on the podium with Gorbachev during a Mayday Parade in the Soviet Union. Her name was Frida Brown. She started the green party here because the Labour Party wasn’t radical enough for her. I knew her then as Freda Lewis. She was my “auntie.” I was told. She sexually abused me when I was 12 years old. And my parents knew it was happening. They told me that it was all okay and that my problem was guilt that had been put in my head by a Christian patriarchal society. I kid you not. I never ever met a decent communist. And still haven’t.
You should write a book about this.
@@michaelkaminski1166 oh my friend, if you only knew….
@@warriorpoet9629I second this. It sounds like a really eye opening story.
There is rightful criticism of how men have often subordinated women through our superior physical strength in past generations, but the point still holds true fallen humanity hurts each other and women becoming oppressors is not the answer.
@@francikeen When did I say that women are oppressors?
@@francikeen When you respond directly to my comment beginning with, “women are not oppressors,” that comes across as you making a contradiction to my comment.
@@francikeen There are a lot of assumptions you’re making about my comment.
@@francikeen I’m not interested in playing games. If you’re open to dialogue then I’m happy to talk but otherwise I won’t engage.
@@nickmedley4749She's using word salad because she's triggered. Ignore her. Your original comment was absolutely correct.
Ive been saying for years that feminism is in fact masculinism. Thank you Dr Gress for proving my point.
@Pints With Aquinas -I think having a discussion on restoring the family economy would be really helpful to contextualize the call of women in the home. The industrial revolution has ruined families and the family economy was destroyed. When the family economy is restored, the question of whether woman can work outside the home becomes nuanced. Men would be working from the home. Many families are doing this, starting homesteads, family businesses where families are working together. I hope this makes sense.
It does!
This is amazing! Very informative! I didn’t grow up Feminist but I think all females do pick up things here and there that are feminist without even realizing it. So there’s still some things like the word ‘submitting’ that is hard for me to swallow. Lol I think it’s just that you grow up hearing how oppressed women were at one point and you buy into submitting being really, a bad word. But it’s not. There’s something very freeing and beautiful about submitting. And you are submitting to God who created these rules for us to live by. And they are for our betterment so we really have no reason to complain. So much of this interview had so many facts that I never know. I know there’s many Christian’s and Catholics who say they are Catholic or Christian feminists and I thought that was ok. But this is totally not ok! Lol In their defense I doubt any of them have heard all of this so I am so happy you wrote your books and did this interview. Women deserve to know the lies they have been sold so we can make the changes necessary for us and the generations after us to go back to how God intended things to be.
I loved the book Frankenstein because it’s so emotional and moody and dramatic and sad and I read it as an autistic teenaged girl who had been bullied and felt totally isolated, like I literally was THE target audience
Years ago, I read “The Rules”. It began to help me rethink how I thought about men and dating.
The Rules can easily be made christian/catholic. So accurate.
Thank God we have Carrie Gress to relay these truths with humility and love. Thank you Carrie.
I would LOVE for Dr. Abigail Favale and Dr. Carrie Gress to sit down together for an interview and discuss feminism. Pretty please Matt make it happen!
I think it would be more of a debate than a discussion. I don’t think they’re actually on the same page about it.
Why? Favale is a feminist and recent convert. She needs to have a few decades as a Catholic before she will have anything to contribute. Currently she's just another convert with little to show for it.
I had a totally different read on Barbie. The most beautiful woman she saw was elderly. Everyone in Barbieland is plastic and shallow. The natural byproduct of feminism is Ken, a beta male that no serious woman can love. In the end, she decided to join the real world with its beautiful opportunities of suffering and glory. She went to an obgyn, the place you go to ensure the healthy beginning of a family.
That was Michael Knowles’ take on it as well! Fascinating!
Me too, and I also found it hilarious. Maybe the humor just appeals to gen z more?
Yeah, I kinda see that side too. Greta Gerwig attended Catholic school, so I wonder if her take on women was in fact influenced by the Church more than we realize?
I remember my Catholic stepfather who believed in patriarchy. He repeatedly beat my mother. The law prohibited wife beating, but wife beating was considered a "private matter" and the law was never enforced. I came from a patriarchal abusive marriage where my husband repeatedly reminded me that men were to rule their wives. Of course this loveless Christian message was acoompanied by a heavy dose of severe mental abuse. I have deconverted. As Tina Turner admitted, Christianity is oppressive.
You describe sin.
Yes, and this is exactly what Paul warned against. The role of the husband is to love his wife and be willing to sacrifice his life for her. Not take control over her. @@TheGringoSalado
I heard the video one more time (I'm very interested in this issue because I believe that if we solve the problem of the relationship between male and female, everything else is a piece of cake).
Matt gives ample credit to Chrysostom and his homily. *You can't get any more conservative than Saint Chrysostom! He was from the 4th century, for crying out-loud*
Now, Matt doesn't seem to like the concept of the wife submission as "being under the mission of the husband" (the mission being that of loving his wife even unto death). What I think he fails to realize is that the woman (wife) is already giving all she has to the man (husband). She gives her entire self because of love. In marriage the woman is the most vulnerable of the two. She gives her body, her mind, her strength to him (by definition there is no other way, once she gives her body she gives everything else). The man will never understand such a vulnerability except if he loves the way Christ loves.
She does this externally by allowing him to get her pregnant with his children. And in case of a catholic woman, that is faithful to the Church, this involves getting pregnant multiple times (of course you can use Natural Family Planning). Getting pregnant with his children is giving everything. It means giving her own being. Women are already in danger when they get pregnant. They are already sacrificing themselves, perhaps unto death.
Pregnancy is dangerous in so many levels. Very dangerous for the woman and for the baby. Taxing on the body and mind. Think of miscarriages, gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, preterm labor, severe, persistent nausea and vomiting, anemia, post-partum depression and others. Therefore, women already, because of their own nature, are giving everything to men.
They are giving their own lives away to men by the design of their own nature.
Therefore, is it too much to ask for the men to love their wives even unto death? Since we are giving everything already, by design, isn’t it enough that we should support men on their mission which is loving us? Men have to make a conscious decision and effort to love in such a way as Saint Chrysostom describes in his homily. Thoroughly, without holding anything back. Women do this by their own nature. We truly not have a choice in the matter.
But women are rebellious. This rebellion can be mitigated by men loving them even unto death, like Christ loves his Church. Then women would trust men. Women do have to make a conscious effort to be submissive. And they should be. Just like in Saint Chrysostom homily.
Thank you for expressing this so eloquently! I hope Matt and his viewers read your comment. I have served as a childbirth educator, doula for 24 years, and more recently as a women’s health/labor & delivery/ mother-baby nurse. The vulnerability women surrender themselves to by receiving their husbands into their bodies, and then welcoming, surrendering to, and nurturing their children within their bodies during pregnancy and childbirth, is immeasurable. Post birth, the nurturing, sustaining, and surrendering to their children through constant, countless daily (and nightly) sacrifices (think feeding their children out of their very bodies for years) to safeguard their well-being and nurture health in loving arms. Women, wives, mothers are constantly surrendering and submitting their lives and bodies to their families. The notion that women ought to be subject to reprimand and chastisement at their conferences in the same drill-sergeant or tough-coach way that men may appreciate, is profoundly missing the mark. How desperate we are to be seen, to be cherished, to be honored, protected, and guarded from such bullying tactics. Women recoil with the word “submission” because so many men fail to lay down their lives as a living sacrifice of love and fail to grasp and understand the profound vulnerability of their wives. Women are justifiably afraid of the men who dictate their need for obedience and submission, because so many men, out of their own brokenness, readily slip into a mindset of domination. Many weaker men (spiritually and emotionally) are unwilling or not yet able to love and serve vulnerably as our Lord did, “even unto death”. Women readily surrender to their husbands when they feel safe, seen, and profoundly and sacrificially loved. The surest way for a man to gain the respect (submission and obedience) of his wife is for him to radically pursue our Lord. In conforming himself to Christ and becoming the physical image of our Savior and his infinite love to his wife and children, he will be revered and blessed by them. Many women have been deprived of the opportunity to encounter such men in their lives. Unfortunately, they often have many examples of exactly the opposite. This creates fear. Fear that they must wrangle care, protection, security, etc. on their own. For both men and women, growing in their relationship with our good God can slowly (or sometimes dramatically) bring about the deep healing of wounds necessary to trust one another in the intimacy and vulnerability of marriage. If husband and wife pray together, they have an opportunity to grow in the grace of their vocations alongside one another, encouraging one another into healing and wholeness while honing in on their personal growth in holiness. I’ve been blessed with a good, strong man who desires holiness. We’ve been married for 31 years. We both love sacrificially and seek healing in our areas of brokenness. We are very much together-together helping each other on the journey to holiness. We are gracious with each other because it’s a tough journey at times, both individually and as a couple. We don’t need to dictate behavior to one another. I have never said, “Man up” to him, especially when he has clearly been in his most vulnerable moments as a husband, father, and provider. He has certainly never bludgeoned me with the dictate to submit to him when I have been tempted through my own sincere sense of fear and vulnerability to grasp and wrangle with control. In our weakest moments we strive to show up even more as loving spouses, eager to bind one another’s wounds and speak life into fear. Again, when men lead as Jesus leads, fear melts away and trust and surrender naturally follow. Perfect love casts out all fear. Women fear the words “submission and obedience” because almost all of us have encountered the abuse of power by those who were called to lead us in the past. The remedy is Jesus! Conformity to him is the solution. Men are called to this profound leadership within their homes. Good leaders never have to coerce or demand a following. They inspire one! ❤
@@Blessedcrestfarm Perfect love casts out all fear. --> Perfect. God bless you and your husband.
@@UnaVincemus there we go, they censored me because I pointed to a different channel… oh well, I can’t give advice as the rabbi from the video because I wouldn’t give it justice so I will tell you: read the homily by Saint Chrysostom and you will see what loving your wife entails.
On the submission question: I HIGHLY recommend Mary Stanford's book, The Obedience Paradox. I interviewed her about it but I won't link to it here cause I don't want to use Matt's comment section for self promotion.
Leo XIII, Encyclical Arcanum, February 10, 1880. The authority of the father over his family:
“Not only, in strict truth, was marriage instituted for the propagation of the human race, but also that the lives of husbands and wives might be made better and happier. This comes about in many ways: by their lightening each other's burdens through mutual help; by constant and faithful love; by having all their possessions in common; and by the heavenly grace which flows from the sacrament. Marriage also can do much for the good of families, for, so long as it is conformable to nature and in accordance with the counsels of God, it has power to strengthen union of heart in the parents; to secure the holy education of children; to temper the authority or the father by the example of the divine authority; to render children obedient to their parents and servants obedient to their masters.”
Encyclical Sapientiæ Christianæ, January 10, 1890. The husband is the head of his family:
“This is a suitable moment for us to exhort especially heads of families to govern their households.”
Encyclical Rerum Novarum, May 15, 1891. The husband is the head of the wife:
“Secondly, the mutual duties of husband and wife have been defined, and their several rights accurately established. They are bound, namely, to have such feelings for one another as to cherish always very great mutual love, to be ever faithful to their marriage vow, and to give one another an unfailing and unselfish help. The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and in her who obeys, a heaven-born love guiding both in their respective duties. For “the husband is the head of the wife; as Christ is the head of the Church…. Therefore, as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let wives be to their husbands in all things.”
No one should be submitting in a relationship. why would you have one person be a master and another a slave? This is unequal
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet both are slaves to one another but in different ways.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyetThe Bible says so, and your twisted understanding will not do anything aside from drive you from Truth.
Doesn’t sound like you understand the catholic teaching on marriage at all. Plus, you’re a TROLL
Thank you for this! I’m finding that in the effects of sin…our Catholic School is teaching morality and teens are hurt to hear about IVF being evil - when that’s how they were brought in the world. I agree with the Church’s teaching, but this is just a new difficulty and reality we are coming across.
IVF is so evil and it does break my heart to hear that this knowledge is hurting kids but I really don't know any way around it. We all have to learn that our parents are sinful at some point. No one is perfect and that is a super hard lesson for kids who look up to and respect their parents (as they should). It is up to the parents to, with humility, explain that they did sin and show their children that they are endeavoring to do better. This helps the kids to respect them even more!
I’ve always thought IVF is evil too but never said anything to anyone about it in case I offended them.
Love Carrie Gress!
Can you explain why 29 % of murdered women are murdered by their husbands or significant other? And women aren’t victims of the patriarchy
The Engels quote about 'raising children is not productive to society' .... Well, how about you don't have a society then? No people to be in society, your society dies with you. How's that for a legacy? Smh
I am not Catholic, but I still really enjoyed it. It was amazing and very eye opening. Thank you also for sharing your story.
'Feminine genius' as a term is, in my mind, associated with Edith Stein and JPII. It worked be great to further propagate it, particularly in reference to those two great saints. And Edith Stein is to me especially great regarding the subject. She was favoring women's rights and education etc. While JPII theology of the body and writings on women or family are quite widely known among Catholics, hers aren't that very much popular in the wider public.
I have loved every episode you have ever done, Matt, and I respect Dr Gress (and have one of her books), but Im struggling about whether or not I can listen to this. I heartily concur that feminism has done women little good, but as someone who has experienced (and am.still experiencing) the less healthy side of the evangelical/calvinist "patriarchal"/ "complimentarian" worldview in my home and faith community, Im weary of talk glorfying the Patriarchy even when its done ina more nuanced way. Men who glorify the patriarchy in my circles, for instance, wouldnt want to hear anything Dr Gress has to say on the matter because, as a woman, she cannot be a source of wisdom for them as men may never learn from.women. They would be suspicious, even, of her teaching other women or even having a phd to begin with. I know that the Catholic tradition doesnt hold these extreme views, at least not today, but because of how harsh.and warped my current mileau is, Patriarchy has developed a very negative tone to me. As a Christian woman I seek the Kingdom of God, not the Patriarchy of men.
If you wish to think of it that way, Selah, The Trinity consists of 3 male personages, all will be rulers in heaven.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357We refer to all of the members of the Trinity by male pronouns but they are definitively not male. God has no body, no sex and no gender, only the human nature taken on by Christ is male.
I would suggest that much of the conversation here is on the fringes of what the Church teaches in this area. I would describe some of the ideas that Dr Gress and Matt float or allude to as pretty extreme, particularly when it comes to women's work, voting etc.
Since you say you are a Christian woman seeking the Kingdom of God, I will simply point you to God's Word, where He Himself declares that hierarchy isn't evil (as even the Holy Trinity exists as a hierarchy within the Godhead), and that He has made a hierarchy among His creatures, "22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands." - Ephesians 5:22-24 Three short verses, before a much bolder and longer statement of what it means for a man to be a husband, to be a head (to die for his bride as Christ died for His bride), as Jesus taught us that we lead by serving.
@@rev.steveandrews2227 Yes, it does read that way if you jump over verse 21 "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ". Prior to the addition of verse divisions this line introduces the section, and makes it clear that the subordination spoken of is not simple or one way.
My family has stories about my great-grandmother. Her 9-year-old son got hit and killed by a car, and she got into this spiritualism that you're are talking about. Both she and her husband died in the next couple of years.
Okay.... Doesn't mean it's connected
@@ASMRyouVEGANyetSo you're defending satanic practices then?
That's terrifying. We really do have the option to run to or away from God in times of trouble.
It's sad to think about the damage that has been done with all the spiritualism and feminism over the years. It's probably unrelated, but having spiritualism in your family tree can't be good. That's all
I lover her! Anti-Mary exposed was fantastic! A bit redundant but I really enjoyed it!
1:02:45 I was this woman until age 26 when I started to wonder why I couldn’t find a good masculine provider to marry. After years of searching for answers, I finally got married at 32. Now I help single women and men solve these issues so they can be happy too 😊
Dracula is better (and has a much better depiction of women, incidentally) than Frankenstein, largely because 2/3 of Frankenstein have nothing the do with the plot and could have been cut.
Bless you Carrie, I have been really struggling with the Feminist movement for many, many years....even to the point where I have been looking for an anti-feminist group to join..........can't wait to read your books.
This is so black and white 😮
Either you are a stay at home mom of super many kids or you are a unfeminine career woman 😮
She is totally speaking womanhood only from motherhood point of view and that is what in church circles I hear since I joined the catholic church.
I need to justify my "not having children" to every alien, and if I do not reveal that I am not mother from the fact that I had cancer when I was 21 and am missing some system relevant body parts, I get stampt as a man like career woman.
That is so frustrating as I think that it is nobody's business to know about me deep deep wound, the tragedy of not been able to get children as even because of the doubts of living very long not even considering adoption.
My own mother passed away very young and I know how it is to grow up without a mom. When then diagnosed with 21, just before getting married, it is logical to everyone who knows me that we will not adopt children.
But the strangers who do not know me, to them I am a selfish career woman.
I do not go to work, my husband is providing for us financially and is a very loving and caring man.
I know multiple very conservative catholic women who are broken-hearted because they cannot naturally get children AND the way about them is talked in catholic circles is that one is not a true woman, when not a mother 😢
Really this talk makes me not being able to be happy that I did not die to that cancer at that time as the result is that I am never accepted as a full woman. What am I then?
No one is saying women cannot work, we are saying that you are called to motherhood and the queendom of the family first and foremost, If you have a child, it is your duty to structure your life in accord to your duty as a mother first and foremost as it is the duty of the father and society at large to support you in this duty.
You're a woman, and your life and suffering has deep meaning. God loves you, and has a plan for your life.
I like how even after all that… Matt presses the issue of admitting women need to submit to their husbands aaaaand we still end up talking about “what men need to do.”
@@Selahsmum and I had the exact opposite impression when I was dating. Men and women will both feel like the issue rests more so on the other because that is who they are primarily concerned with. And this is an episode on the evils of feminism… it’s curious that even here- there is an obstacle to women admitting that their duty is to submit. Even your comment mimics the irony I was pointing out.
He spoke way too much in this episode.
Love this episode. Thank you both for your insights ❤
This topic is so needed! But I would push back with the point that women are not called to be better. I don’t go to women’s conferences, but I see a lot of topics directed towards women by women. It’s rarely depicted as this uplifting “go girl” narrative. Maybe that because I’m seeing a lot of this from Christian media, but women tend to be pretty harsh towards each other in this area. I wish there was more taught about the “how” to be a better wife/mom and less of “just be a better wife and mom”.
A book (which was based on her newspaper column) which really inspired me and made me long to get in touch with my femininity was Hints from Heloise. Heloise was a housewife who loved gathering and sharing tips from housewives across the nation on how to make housework more pleasant and more thrifty; how to beautify oneself and one's home, using more imagination and innovation than money. And it was clear that the lady herself was really someone who loved being at home, loved her family - because her joie de vivre was contagious. Though she was from a totally different time, she awakened something within me and made me wish I lived in her time, when women were free to love their homes, husbands, children, communities. Free to relish the creativity of the domestic arts. And Feminists made fun of women like her. They really put her down as if her type was silly, brain-dead.One could feel a twinge of guilt for wishing to live in her world. I found my little collection of Heloise's hints at thrift shops, where they can still be found, in the used books sections.
I’ve been excited about this one!
The Anti-Mary Exposed is probably one of the best books I have ever read!!!
There's something Poland Hungary and Russia have in common that they all covered her book.
1:21:48 Been in Holy Deadlock for almost 40 years, submission is barely even lip service. And has been from the very FIRST day. Has been only worse ever since in every "Traditional" aspect since. Too poor to leave and have a handicapped son.
Only thing to pray for is that the cancer finishes me off next time and that I have suffered enough to have earned a back row seat in Heaven. I gave up years ago fighting for a decent marriage and "City Hall" at Church.
The word we need is "Mary".
Thank you. Sometimes as husbands, we struggle to understand our wives plus the overlay of divorce culture, feminism, and the misandry we know is undeserved. Where is this coming from and how to not take it personally? What to do?
Then what to say to those older women in churches who are teaching younger women these destructive ways?
Sometimes we don’t know what to pray or say. At other times, we know the right words must come from other women. Many prayers for Christian women- we love you ladies as you minister to one another is a special way. Prayers 💯
I am Not a feminist. In fact. I am a stay at home mom and very active in my Parish. Two things that Came out of the 1st wave, was laws that gave women ownership of their wages and inheritance. (Some places already allowed this but not every where) also equal rights (if not more right than men) to their children.
Women need more or different rights than men. We bear children, the next generation.
A takeaway I get from this is the difference between submitting to THE PATRIARCHY vs submitting to the patriarch of my home.
In a crippled world, I have good reason to feel insecure about placing trust and confidence in men in general, but I have discerned well the person I am married to, and trust his authority over my home.
Giving him that position of authority empowers him to do his job well. He cares for us because he knows we depend on him to do so.
If I tear down his role, why should I expect him to occasionally uphold it?
59:05 Michael Knowles had a really interesting and unique take on the movie.
Thank you so much for this interview. I agree that both women and men need to heal from feminist movement.
I feel like until we stop walking on eggshells about what's a Christian womans role is in a marriage, we will never fix this issue. I don't know how many sermons I've sat through talking about marriage where the paster completely goes off on men, and then when it comes to the womans portion, he continues to go off on men. Women do not get told their wrong anywhere in society, including the pulpit. Paul was very clear, but we won't clarification because we want to let women off the hook. We aren't helping women by not telling them hard truths.
Seriously though! This needs to be said more!
Good thing other women are free from.the shackles of 'roles and duties' of USA Christian women
That’s between a man and a woman within marriage what they want their roles and duties to be. Before marriage people really need to lay out what they want within marriage and desire of their spouse. That’s it! That’s the key of a happy life!
My husband and I talked endlessly while engaged about our future. And we are 100% compatible making it a non issue to even speak about our ‘roles and duties’. This is why this trend among men that they think women are coddled is so sick to me. You could not be more far off! You just are not wise enough apparently to discern compatibility with a woman
So, why should a woman get married if it's the "hard truth" waiting for her over there?
Because that hard truth is better than the easy lie of modernity that leads to spiritual death
Thank you for this episode! I’ve read the Anti-Mary and The End of Woman book, they are both EXCELLENT. Highly recommend!!!
Also, the Theology of the Home blog is wonderful!
Love Dr Gress book on The Marian Option! Also, to all the easily offended people in this comment section, you can choose to watch certain podcast or episodes as you wish. Its your choice. You can find some truth in what Matt and Carrie or The Gordons talk about, and not be fully supportive of every other thing they say/do. Like you don't actually interact with these people, and likely never will. Seriously, just chill, go to Mass, pray the Rosary, its a feast day people!
Jeepers, they are clearly trimming the comments. There is absolutely no way there are so few negative comments.
Bit scary, isn't it. Beginning to rethink my first impressions of this channel.. 🤔 I'd seen so many rigorous thinkers as guests before.. this is just two mates getting together to bash women's rights.
@@finchsparrowbird It really does make you wonder. If they are going to really lean in to free speech etc., removing criticism from comments seems pretty off.
There is a lot, wrong with this discussion other than this of course!
@@UnaVincemus
Hey mate, I think you're oversalting the egg a bit. I was just commenting on what I observed in the comments. If you want further evidence, look into replies and check out how many responses there are to missing replies.
My second sentence was an argument for my first, although very casually put. I think it is fair to expect that a video like this would attract at absolute minimum a split of responses if they weren't being 'curated'.
I also have no idea why I would respond to the ideas in the video here. I wasn't addressing those?
It truly confounds me that a woman who has an education and a PhD can sit down and with all her education and work experience (that would not have been possible without some of the efforts of feminism) write a book on how literally no aspect of feminism is good. That makes me genuinely question whether this is a serious endeavor or this is capitalizing on reactionary culture, both in the left and the right.
no one said nothing about feminism is good, we said that it is a rotten and corrupt thing from root to fruit, a bad poisonous tree can still provide shade.
1:41:55 "and kids climb trees and hit each other affectionally or not with sticks, you know..." I love how it's delivered :D
Looking forward to this
Fascinating episode
Started this on podcasts and it quit playing and won’t work! Hmmmm.
So glad that I can continue listening here.
I wish someone would practically show how patriarchy operates. This and Rules for Retrogrades make a convincing case for patriarchy. Ok, I'm sold. What does that mean? When a couple or a community say "right, let's do patriarchy", how does behavior change? Or does it?
It does. Try reading "Getting to I DO" by Pat Allen. She lays out nicely how to be the compliment to your partner, either traditional male or female roles, you get to be one, not both (which she diagnoses as narcissism).
The most important interview you have ever done, Matt.
Love her! Good show!! ❤😊
They should have Rachel Wilson on, who wrote Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women’s Liberation. It’s in the same vein as the anti-Mary book
Timothy Gordon wrote A Case for Patriarchy.
He has been speaking on this for years.
I just purchased three of her books
Check out a book called Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation by Rachel Wilson. It's a nice compliment to Dr Gress' Anti-Mary exposed book.
As a Christian since I was a small child, I even was infiltrated with the lies of feminism. Except I put a Christian spin on it.
I had the attitude that I was going to be the hero. My heroes were the single women who went out on the mission field. There weren't many women I read about who had a family and were on the mission field. I though a man and family was going to hold me back from fulfilling what God wanted of me.
It wasn't until I lost my mom that I came to see that I did desire a family. And God softened my heart towards having a husband and family. It was also meeting families on the mission field that I came to realize that families don't have to hold you back and they can help to break cultural barriers.
I think God calls us to both singleness and marriage. But it wasn't until my mid to late 20s that I came to see marriage and children as blessing instead of a curse. And that had to do with the culture around me telling me that I need no man. That children will hold me back from being fulfilled.
Me too
I pray God softens me and that I allow a man to lead me.
In charity, Matt could examine his attitude towards women. He drips condescension every time he voices an opinion in that regard. I.E (paraphrasing) “I don’t go to women’s conferences, but they just coddle women”, “homilies on submission cower in placating women”. It concerns me to see a prominent Catholic commentator who seems to have at best a profoundly limited and even at times, antagonist view on women.
Wow! My goal is to read Carrie Gress this summer. Reading Percy Bysshe Shelley’s page on Wikipedia is very depressing… especially his use and discarding of those young women. 😩 Interestingly, Mary Shelley’s father Godwin, preached free love until it was his daughter on the line. Such a soap opera!
When Matt says “Dear Lord,” I was like yep, you’re speaking for us all. (Us being folks who see the world slip-sliding out of control and wondering if it’s a concerted effort by certain unnatural Forces).
I’m not a crazy huge fan of his but, to be fair, Tim Gordon has been crapped on for years for pointing a lot of this out.
Woot woot!! Carrie G…can’t wait to listen!! 🙌🏻✨🫶🏻✨💫
I absolutely love your books! They are a wonderful encouragement to be feminine and counter-cultural. I love that you go through the history of feminism it’s interesting and greatly discredits it. Feminism is so toxic to women. I recommended anti-Mary exposed to my book club we are reading it together next month. I’m stay-at-home mother of four so far. Thank you for your example :)
Wonderful interview, thank you! I need to go back and listen to it again to re-absorb it.
I can’t wait for this!!!
I remember watching a film from maybe Romania about a woman seeking an abortion during the Communist era. The message seemed to be something like the Communist Party is getting between women and safe, legal abortions.
The women at the spirit table were not talking to a spirit they were talking to demonic angels or demons Peoples souls go to heaven or hell.Peoples souls don't hang out on earth continuously.
I'm actually shocked at how poorly Dr. Gress understands the feminist perspective, and how poor her answer are. "Feminism just wants to make women like men." Is...not a unique or new perspective or criticism on this issue, and it generalizes feminism to the point of obscurity every feminist question, criticism, issue. Patriarchy is... "what God designed." Is that the kind of definition and thinking of a woman with a doctorate? Isn't there more? "Early feminists were into the occult." An interesting discussion if it didn't reduce to a genetic fallacy. How is that remotely fair? I don't totally disagree with her, because I affirm an orthodox view of gender, marriage, etc. as endorsed and taught by the deposit of faith, but I'm very surprised. I was really disappointed by this discussion.
And it's hard to forgive hating on Frankenstein, lol.
@@d.k.6711and Paradise Lost. Either she didn’t read the book or didn’t understand the book if she walked away thinking Satan was the good guy of that story
I think the difference between the magazines that show a near-impossible level of beauty and the media that might show the beauty of a homemaker/her home/how she presents herself is a question of autonomy regarding the level of frustration/attraction women might have with them. For me to attain a level of attractiveness from a magazine like Cosmo, it really isn't about anyone else. It's about just me going to the gym or working out, just me going to the salon, just me getting whatever treatments I need to have that look. When it's about beauty in the home or even how a wife/mother presents herself, it's about me juggling not just my own dominion over myself and body, but I'm juggling a husband, children, and a messy house that needs to be cleaned. There are all these other elements that are contending with my ability to get things done and to keep them at a certain level. I'm not saying it's correct for women to desire the Cosmo magazine over something that encourages real feminine beauty, but I'm simply analyzing why it might be the case the women are attracted to the former than the latter.
Okay, so yes, the bigger issue is sin. What about giving women domestic violence shelters? The right to open their own bank account? This just glosses over so many important issues.
There could have been a push for that without demonic seances and pushing for the immorality of abortion, normalizing extramarital sex, and the explicitly goal of breaking down the nuclear family
Aspects of feminism was like the Martin Luther of sex dynamics. Creating a full schism instead of martyrs and trying to fix the issues. Historically it's always some misguided overreach that breaks more down the line. Sorry society, I'm not fixing my leak with a sledgehammer. We're adults, not activist children.
The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution. The stories of Kate Millett are ample evidence of that. What we learn from the book is that the wrong way to solve these problems was to enculturate girls and women into wanting and grasping after the same things men want or is in their nature to do..
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When you think about it, the choice to use the term “free love” to mean indiscriminate se.x is itself a feminine view of the situation. If se.xual morays were suddenly opened up, and men decided on the term for it, we absolutely wouldn’t include the word “love” in the title. It’s women who link physical intimacy with emotional intimacy.
Wow. The ads have increased so much. Not sure how much more I can take this.
I can.t wait to read her books 👏👏
You guys are quite late to the anti-feminism party, better late than never, good to see mainstream catholic channels preaching this.
Other females voices good for this topic are Rachel Wilson and Steph Gordon, those ladies are pioneers on this.
😂are you serious? 2 most heinous ladies out there you think are great role models. The anti-feminism party is just a female hating party. Many of us good women subscribe to neither one. You all suck and are heading our society in very dangerous directions.
Amazing how people can’t just be normal. Men and women are all important. And putting one or the other down is not the way
July 2021 he had Rachael Killackey on. She talked a great extent about modern feminism and some of its history. I wouldn't say Pints is late on its content in these regards.
I became radicalized mid-marriage in my twenties by the feminist section of a college library near home (I love to read and was a stay at home mom/wife to a traditional man in Europe) and a women's "spirituality" group led by a Wiccan Lesbian "priestess." After the divorce, back in the US, I began listening to talk radio (Dr. Laura, Dennis Praeger, and others) and kicking and screaming, the wool was removed from my eyes and I finally repented of toxic feminism. It had not only ruined my marriage, but also my child's life, hurt my husband deeply, and his parents. Some reflections: My mother, a widow with 3 kids, went back to college to get a better job to support us (she never remarried). My in-laws were counter-cultural in many ways (they broke traditions and conventions except for getting and staying married). I remember an aunt telling me her husband wanted her to stay home with their children but she insisted on going into the workforce and it ended their marriage. Her husband died by his own gun, her son had a serious drug addiction and followed his father in death by rope. She later admitted to me that her husband was right, she wished she had listened to him - working is not all that. I also remember for awhile young women eschewing education with the goal to marry up (that was a thing in popular culture for awhile). I think a case can be made for job-readiness because husbands can become disabled, die, abandon the family. Education, like anything good, can be abused. I reverted to the Church five years ago. God works in His time, not ours. But I wish I had been catechized and taught Catholic values sooner. My happiest memories are not from the workplace, but my home and family (while it was intact). The answer to how to put this into practice is to be a better Catholic, strive for holiness! Benignity, long suffering, silence, patience, the corporal and spiritual mercies, offering up and participation in Christ's suffering. Staying under God's protection within His holy order (hierarchy / patriarchy) from attacks of the evil one would have saved a whole lot of pain, disordered and broken relationships. I heard this interview with Dr. Gress and immediately bought 2 of her books for a start. I want to know what happened to me, dreading the pain of looking back but I need to know. God bless.
Appreciate the revelation of truth behind this movement. Satan is the great deceiver. The woman who asked about needing two incomes to support the family. My first thought was reevaluate your lifestyle. There's probably things to eliminate and cut back. Loved Matt's answer