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Yeah, the AR15 is Now Becoming C&R Eligible
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2017
- Given the status of the AR15 as the preeminent military rifle still today, it comes as a surprise to many people to learn just how old the gun really is. Civilian production of the SP-1 model by Colt actually began in 1964, which means that early SP-1 rifles started becoming Curio & Relic qualified back in 2014. Right now in 2017, more than 10,000 C&R AR15s exist - and this is one of them.
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Corey Miller
Beer and P_ssy. . .
The only thing getting skinnier around here is my wallet.
Cocaine.....
You could just build a Retro style AR-15 with old parts for WAY cheaper
Some people dont have 2,500 Dollars laying around
I always imagined that when "modern" rifles like the AR came of age, the ATF would pull some shenanigans to keep it out of the C&R.
Don’t hold your breathe lol
Like how they tried to ban M855 ammunition a couple of years ago, by labeling it "armor piercing" even though it was not? A T F agents were known to go into gun shops, & check all AR-15s in for service work to see if they had any one or more of the 6 (?) selective fire control components installed in them. (Selector shaft, trigger, hammer, bolt carrier, auto sear, auto sear pin) Mind you, all of the specialized parts had to be there, & an extra hole drilled in the receiver to accommodate the auto sear pin, before the rifle would actually be capable of full auto.There used to be a dedicated semi auto only bolt carrier, & if someone had instead installed the full auto bolt carrier in their AR-15, then there was hell to pay. Somewhere along the line, the A T F apparently changed their mind about using the full auto bolt carrier in a semi only rifle, but the other components are still probably taboo. I'm sure someone more familiar with the issue could expound on the topic.
@@Urbicide my dad worked for the ATF, believe it or not they don't make the rules, some big wig from Washington tells them what to do and No mater How freaking Retarded It is (And trust you me they definitely think most of the rules they have to enforce are Unbelievably Random And Retarded) they still have to do it less they get fired at best or are imprisoned for corruption or dereliction of duty.
Most ATF officers actually vote Republican, after all getting shot By a Texan While trying to confiscate his Fully functional relic MG-42 is exactly no one's Definition of a good day.
@@anarchyandempires5452 the ATF and the IRS two agencies we need to be rid of
@@RageUnchained isn't the IRF taxes? why in the hell would we get rid of taxes!? I like the concept of not having Marudinding bands of bandits everywhere you know.
Pro-tip on the forward assist: If, perchance, you're stepping out on a dismounted patrol from your JSS, and you have your mag in your pocket, you should check to make sure the cigarette butt you field stripped and put in your pocket isn't now in the magazine.
Because if it is, you will manage to spend the first 15 minutes of the patrol using your leatherman pulling a cigarette out of your chamber.
I'm told this happened to a friend, or something.
😂
1967: You can drop $200 to the ATF and pick up a brand new Made in Germany HK G3 full auto Machine Gun.
Yeah but the G3 is ass, it's literally the reason that the disaster at the Munich Olympics went so sideways
TheWorstChannelYouKnow The G3 wasn’t the problem, it was a lack of dedicated marksmen and precision rifles. It was like giving beat cops who only had sidearms ar-15’s and expecting r700 results
Crazy
@@RageUnchained Hope you´re trolling there. It was a lack of having designated marksmen and proper long range training and also even though they had the somewhat "DMR" version of the G3, the G3 SG1, they still lacked optics. I dont think the gun mattered at all, you couldnt have pulled it off with an AR or whatever, even the best Freedom sniper rifles of democracy wouldnt have helped on 300 meters, in the dark, without optics :P Oh and also might to add, that in Germany the Police is mostly only trained on Pistols and SMGs. And I am not quite sure if in 1972 a MP5 per Police Car (2 Officers) was standart back then. So you have an avarage Police Officer, trained only in pistol handling, best case trained on an MP5. Then you give him a "Military Rifle" G3 and expect him to turn super anti terrorist sniper just like that?
@@RageUnchained the g3 was not a precise rifle. Not the guns fault
I just figured out what C&R Arsenal means...
Pritchard
Hahahaha
Good on ya!
"Curio and Relic Arsenal"
??
+EDSKaR "Cool and ReallyCool"
"Cool and Rad Arsenal"
you fucking idiot
The coolest AR-15 that ever was, and ever will be! I shot a fully automatic 1969 M16A1 in Laos, what an incredible rifle...
Unless you were from Laos, you didn't. Why do you baby boomers always lie about what you did in the 1960s???
@@gruenfreiherr8714 😅
Gruen Freiherr I think he meant the rifle was made in 1969, not when he fired it.
+Gruen Freiherr "I did not inhale!" WJC
@@gruenfreiherr8714 Explain your theory.
Hmmm. My parents can call their marriage C&R eligible this year. Too bad they won't get the humor.
Damn, your parents have been married for 50 years? That's rare to see these days. Which is sad :(
Of course it is rare. If they got married at 20, they would be 70 years old.
That is very nice thing to have as a family heirloom! You are very lucky to have parents that stayed together for life!
Yep. Pretty rare. My parents just made it to 55 years of marriage.
It cant be coincidental that the rifle sits perfectly on the pistol grip, mag and flash hider! lol
I was thinkin the same thing while watching the video
oh my, i never noticed that, thanks!
I was about to say that,maybe its for the
*_A E S T H E T I C S_*
Having carried one of these (M16A1) rifles around in the US Army, you are really noticing its good balance. Its center of gravity is near the middle which means it balances well on the magazine. Good balance aids in handling when you need to deploy it and also helps when you carry it around (which is what you really do with these things while in the service). :)
@@jprehberger That's not what he meant.
The story behind the large screw front take down pin.
The original Colt model 601(with their changes made from the original armalite rifle) had a removable front take down pin. After sending the 1st 10,000 rifles to Vietnam for the US military to test in 1961. The Army requested that that front take down pin be captive like the rear(along with other changes)but the Air Force did not. Then Colt then made the model 602 or xm16 for the AF(removable pin) and the 603 or xm16e1(captive pin) for the Army. In 1963-1967ish with finalizing of xm16e1 into the m16a1 it was decided that to make logistics easier to just bring the Air Force model to the A1 standard(minus the forward assist), making it the model 604 and the Air Force adopting it officially as the M16.
After their last run of 602s in 1963 Colt now had these expensive machines and forgings for the ARs that the military no longer wanted. Instead letting them go to waste they used the machines and made the Colt SP1 you see here, but with the front pin hole sized larger as insisted by the ATF to make them incompatible with their Machine gun counterparts.
So in short the Colt Sp1 receivers are made on machines the original m16 was made with.
It's 4am people. Jesus. How many people got insomnia?
Well, have you ever heard of timezones?
I'm nocturnal.
7 AM Here in Ontario bud.
California insomniac here. Do you think I have a chance to get one without a FFL? All I have access to now is a Cap Pistol and a baseball bat
Shh! Don't let them hear we still have cap and ball, they'll take that too!
12:14 Because I love grown adults make pew pew noises with their mouth.
*pew pew pew*
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BRRRRT is an A-10 dispensing 30mm freedom
In 2004 ARMY Basic Training at FT Knox, my rifle was stamped 1971 General Motors on the lower and had the 3 prong Vietnam flash hider
Since it seems like nobody here said it yet
Happy 50th birthday AR-15 rifle! xD
Anyways quite odd that guns that look so modern and up to todays standarts are already half a century old
It just shows that there is honestly nowhere to really go in terms of firearms (well as long as we mean centerfire firearms, since who knows what else we might shoot out of a gun in the future)
Nice video Ian!
Jakub Makovsky The AR-15 design is actually much older than 50 years, this particular rifle however just turned 50.
50 years from now, some modern weapons will be here.
Jakub Makovsky Colt C7 and 8's are still used today and based heavily of this and the M16
gun be shooting rail guns.
Electronically fired caseless ammo... and coil guns other than that yeah not much can bet done to improve bullets.
It will be interesting to see how the final auction price compared to the cost of a new 'retro' Colt SP1.
There is a note in the top of the description, stating that this particular SP1 sold for $3,738. I'm thinking that is probably about 10 times what the rifle originally sold for. I wonder if the seller had the original box with it?
June 1st, 1967, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band!
A lot of gunbroker sellers don't accept your C&R for transfer and shipping. It's not right! It defeats the purpose of having one in my opinion.
Neal Johnson has to be a registered c&r first
The reciprocating weights in the buffer is there to subdue bolt bounce, that's why they aren't fixed in the buffer but free to float around.
1ohtaf1 Yep. It's a slightly simpler version of what HK does in their roller guns with the tungsten shot in the bolt.
+littlegrabbiZZ9PZA They also have an anti-bounce locking lever.
Was about to say " I wish I could get firearms in the mail in Canada..." and then realized my Dad hs done that a lot of times. In fact the local post office had lost one in the back and I think it sat there for a few years before they found it.
We can order firearms on line and have them delivered to our door.
We just need the appropriate licencing.
Tango4N iirc the requirements for a PAL are to be 18, pass a safety course, and background check, which is pretty close to the stuff you have to do to get certified for WHMIS and OH&S.
That's so much better looking than all the modern AR platform rifles we see now.
srspower AGREED!!!
srspower blasphemy!
Definitely
Hey fancy seeing you here
I never liked the carrying handle sights.
My SP1 was built in 1973. Just a few more years.
wfdt
1971 here, I be ahead of you.
The M16-A1 that I carried in the 1970s had that style of birdcage flash suppressor, but not the Edgewater buffer. It brings me a feeling of nostalgia to see my old companion from my days in the Corps.
As a conscript in 1970 in the Singapore Armed Forces, I had the AR15. which were kind of worn. We suspect they were ex-Vietnam War.
It had Colt markings, the three prong flash suppressor, the birdcage came later.. No forward assist, although some bolts were serrated. The pins were all push pin. The selector had three positions, Safe, Semi and Auto. The magazine release button had the "fence". The buffer, I remember was heavy.
We always called the rifle, AR15. A year later we began seeing the forward assist in new rifles, we call those M16.
Then we had mint condition M16, they were locally manufactured by CIS under license.
@@thulomanchay That's cool, thanks for sharing. What are the guns laws in Singapore like?
@@lioncelica5170
Off hand, I'd say guns are prohibited in Singapore, but that's not exactly right.
Possession of a firearm without a licence is a crime, and getting that licence is almost impossible. Self-protection is not good enough a reason.
Only authorized personnel are allowed to be armed, the Police, Auxiliary Security Guards, and security officers of VIPs.
The military turn in their arms at the end of the day to the armoury.
There is a small group of gun club members who own their guns, and their guns not allowed to leave the club premises.
So no one carries a gun here.
The penalty for possession of an illegal firearm is jail (min 5 years to 14 year max) plus flogging, at least 6 strokes of the cane..
Illegal guns get smuggled in though.
Replicas, pellet, BB guns, imitation, pipe guns, and any gun parts and accessories, are all restricted under the same laws, but their penalties are less than for the actual guns.
Still there are the occasional armed robbery.
The last murder by a gun in Singapore was in 2006. There are not many, and they are always sensational.
goodyfeed.com/a-recap-of-the-one-eyed-dragon-firearms-murder-that-shocked-spore-for-10-days/
@@thulomanchay Interesting. These privately owned guns that stay at the shooting range, are they kept in lockers by the owners? What guns are allowed, anything full automatic? At least semiautomatic?
@@lioncelica5170
There is only one gun club in Singapore, and guns are kept in the club's armoury and need to be signed out and turned in. There'll be an alert, if a gun is returned in time. : )
Nothing fully automatic, mostly hand guns, shotguns and pellet gun for indoor range shooting, clay pigeon shooting and sport shooting.
Very stringent "background" check, and permit for purchase of guns. Very tame, therefore no "assault" rifles.
Therefore membership is small, mostly competitive shooters, ex-military or police.
I want to see a legit, CCCP stamped AK-47.
Thauã Aguirre I want one
MrCrecer13 I would so prefer Ian to have the opportunity to go there. Larry is alright but I can't stand modern American film making. Ian is just knawledge, no gimics or bravado.
MrCrecer13 Same. they both have a passion for eccentric or Oddball stuff. A collaboration between the two would be cool.
They never stamped them with that anyways, so you will never find any with CCCP on the side, they used the Hammer and Sickle as the crests on their rifles if they had them at all, largely AKMs lacked most markings of any kind.
Think of the soviet era mosin rifles, the crest on their receiver bridge is basically the same that guns down the line got if they where ever put on.
Larry Vickers show tries to hard to be a TV show. they are cool and all but its pretty annoying and non personal. RUclips was created to make the content creators seem more personal and relatable and not just another TV station.
Oh the hours I spent carrying a M16A1. A friend bought an AR-15 new back in the early 80s, he still has it as memory serves. Oh and thanks for calling that thing on the end of the barrel a 'flash hider' (what it actually is), not a 'flash suppressor'.
My buddies dad bought a Colt AR-15 for him in the 80s. He was under 18. Sadly, he turned into a really bad beeraholic in his 40s and lost it to a Pawn Shop. I didn't know about it or I'd have bought it. Probably hadn't fired more than a 1000 rounds and was always perfectly maintained.
This just feels so weird. Ian is having a look at an AR-15. l own a gun very similar to a gun featured on Forgotten Weapons now :3
Wow, what a gorgeous rifle...
Check out BRN16 a1 from brownells. Its the closest you'll get to a COLT M16 A1 without the pony and the fun switch. Im serious just about every detail is perfect
Bbufkinator I'm hoping to find a C15a1, it's usually only 5-700 bucks and that way I'll at least get a genuine m16 upper
All of the tactical shit really ruins the nice, smooth look of the A1/A2/A3/pre-M4 carbines
@@ThatGuy-te9wh This is why I prefer the good old A2 M16 over the so called "tactical" crap that we have today.
This way of describing the time period of a gun or technology in general, so that the viewer gets a good idea of what was around back then and under what sircumstances it was developed is really outstandingly good! Nice one! It would be verry cool if you could do this for other guns in the future too.
Thanks for the great video as always. Just picked up a 1975 Colt sp1 myself and it instantly became my favorite firearm in my collection.
What a FrankenAR! Clearly the owner wanted a more A1/XM16E1
I was In the army in 1982 and my rifle was a colt AR 15, with a slash / across the AR 15 then stamped with M-16.
Usa laws are funny in Canada any ar15 can be shipped to your door and sbr's are usually approved in a day or 2, but overall your laws are a lot better but some make no sense lol
Lmao, look at California gun laws
We have this little pest called the ATF
Check out the new York safe act. More specifically a NY safe act compliant ar15.....our gun laws are dumb. Also in the 90s Clinton banned COLT AR15s BUT any asshole could have just bought an ak....just complete retardation.
Because they are made by idiots who know nothing about guns.
I would take the US gun laws. At least they can shoot AR-15s and handguns on the farm or wherever it is safe to do so.
We can only shoot them at the range.
Hey Ian. Thought I'd let you know that I LOVE the way you framed this video at the start and end.
Hey great vids @forgottenweapons.
Just the kinds of reviews, and presentation therein, I was looking for.
No VHS players.... microwaves were not close to be a standard item in homes..
Tape technology existed, just not suitable for home use unless you had money to burn on reels and huge fridge-sized machines.
Yep.Same with the microwave oven. There was one big as a Volkswagen in the forties, fridge size in the fifties and the first counter-top models came out in 1967 (Amana) but cost $500..... remember tho', the avg. car price in 1967 was $2,750 ....
did we even have 8 track tapes yet?
cheekymonkey
The never remembered 4 track. JC Whitney sold an adapter so you could play them in your 8 track.
They had tape cassettes to record tv, but the machine was five grand and another 5 for the camera. That was in 69/70 dollars.
glockensig rabbit ears were still common on most TVs.
The forward assist has 2 uses. 1 to quietly rack a fresh round and push the bolt into battery. 2 to fuck up your day after getting dirt and mud in your gun and not washing it out.
this is definitely one of my favorite channels along with in range
I went into the Army in 1977, and during my four years there I was issued a few M-16s. The first was an Colt XM-16, then an M-16A1 that was a Harrington and Richardson with an M-203 attached, then another Colt M-16A1. Two of the three had chrome bolts and chrome bolt carriers, so it was still very common even up to the early 80's when the M-16 A2 started being produced.
Surprised you didn't know much about the pivot pin screw. They changed it to be the Colt Large Pivot Pin so that you couldn't just buy a M16 upper and attach it to a SP1 lower. The solution was to get an large to small pin adapter. Probably the most inconvenient portion of this lower when you want to switch uppers.
Ian, you forgot to mention how Star Trek really started in 1967 :)
I just love the look of the smooth forward grip/barrel housing.
Another great informative video!!! Love it!! I've been putting off getting my C&R since Mosins were $79... I'm a procrastinator!!!!
Not even original upper and went for $3700??? Shit I wonder what my 1971 all original is worth??
I'll give ya 500 bucks ;)
About tree fiddy
At least wait until next year when it becomes C & R itself
Having used an M-61A1 in service, I strongly disagree with the statement that the forward assist was unnecessary. The Air Force didn't use them because Air Force personnel rarely worked in environments where their weapons might get fouled with grit. In Army service, we did. I soon developed the habit of tapping the assist every time I loaded a magazine because, with all due respect to Mr. Stoner, that rifle was a bitch. Even when clean, the bolt didn't always lock into battery properly when the bolt release button was depressed, and when grit got into the action, all bets were off. And as for the contention that one should realize there's a problem and fix it... Only a moron would tear down their rifle and clean it in the middle of a firefight. Mr. Stoner didn't approve of the forward assist, but Mr. Stoner never had to use it in adverse conditions. And for all his genius, he wasn't above making bone-headed mistakes in his designs, especially when it came to that weapon. Mr. Stoner didn't think that it was necessary to chrome plate the firing chamber, and that very definitely was a poorly conceived idea that had disastrous consequences until it was corrected. It apparently never occurred to him that anyone would use ammunition that wasn't made to his exact specifications, and the troops that got the M-16 first were all issued ammunition with a gunpowder type that Stoner never meant to be fired in his rifle. If he'd just specified chrome plating in the first place, it wouldn't have mattered. But he didn't, and it did.
The feed on following rounds rarely failed to lock the bolt properly unless the weapon was fouled. I suspect that it was because when the bolt was being held open by the catch, the spring wasn't being fully compressed. On firing, the gas pressure on the bolt would fully compress the spring, giving it the required "oomph" to lock on the forward stroke. After the last round in the magazine was fired, the bolt catch would lock it open for the magazine change, and then you pressed the release to pick up a new round and -- in theory -- be ready to fire. It usually worked, but not always.
A minor problem, but minor problems like that get people killed because they have to pay attention to why their weapon isn't firing instead of the guy across the way whose weapon is working just fine. The charging handle on an M16A1 is one of the most awkward things to cycle ever put on a mass-produced service rifle. You can't just grab the handle and work the action with the weapon still on your shoulder like you can with most other weapons. Its placement on the top rear of the receiver prevents that. So you have to roll to one side, move the rifle to a position where your hand can reach the handle, and pull it back for an absurd distance. Unless you are in very good cover, you're probably wriggling enough to make a very tasty target for the opposition.
That's why I developed the habit of giving the forward assist a couple of taps with the heel of my hand after every magazine change; it made certain that the bolt was properly seated and locked. That way, I never had to worry that when I pulled the trigger, my M16A1 would refuse to fire because it wasn't locked. Maybe they corrected the buffer spring in later models. I have no idea because I was out of the service before any were adopted. But I know full well what the A1 was like, and all its little idiosyncrasies. That's why I can say with confidence that the forward assist was not only beneficial, it was a necessity. Stoner's opinion on the matter can be tossed in the rubbish bin where it belongs. If gun designers were always right, Borchardt's C-93 would have never been developed into the Luger P08. Borchardt was convinced that there was nothing wrong with his design either.
Larry Fontenot yeah makes sense, how could there be something wrong with having a forward assist in case you need it. I'd rather have it than not.
I friend of mine told me that the army now trains you to smack the forward assist a couple times after inserting a magazine and that its pretty much common practice now
Very interesting. Thank you for posting. Keep up the great work.
I have learned a truck load of information from you my friend. Thank you for your work man! Excellent work you do my friend!!!!
There are some more interesting AR-15/M-16 videos on the channel, SmallArmsSolutions
wait, so colt just released their 50 year anniversary ar-15 for 2500 and your telling me i can pick up an original? hahaha
I have to say in 1967 I was 21 and saw every thing through a smokey haze .:))
tony Wyatt
I was 2 years old n don't remember anything. But, we're both getting old, unfortunately. 😞
Did the smoke smell like burning rope?
If memory serves, the problem that required the addition of a forward assist is the usage of fouling flake type gunpowder. Stoner designed the gun with a much cleaner burning ball type gunpowder, but the army had massive stores of flake type so that's what they used.
General: "We know you designed the gun for this one type of ammo, but... Well... this is the ammo we've currently got. So... this is the ammo that we're going to use."
Shortly thereafter...
"Mr. Stoner we tested your rifle and fails to go in battery. We therefore want you to add a bolt forward assist device to fix this."
I find your videos very informative and helpful :) thank you
The real question is this. Does anyone think whoever win this at auction will get it cheaper than the "new" Colt SP1s they are selling...😋
Andy Klueber They probably will.
2,500
I have an SP1 Serial 123228. It's in pretty sub-par condition, though, which is a shame.
a license that allows you to have guns in the mail without background check? thats how it all works in canada.
once you have your license you can walk in a store buy any non restricte gun you like and walk out without any paperwork. you can also buy online with your license number and have it delivered to your door. None of that FFL crap.
it IS convenient
Yeah, no thanks. I don't need a license to own a gun, and never plan on letting the govt decide I do.
And to think Colt still popped out those slab side sp1 receivers for decades.
Wow! Very cool way of putting everything in context.
looks like it could use a cleaning.
For all the time I carried an M4 in the military. Or my civilian owned AR. I’ve never had to use my forward assist.
Never knew what that was. And I still rage when I play counters strike or watch people play counters strike. When you reload they press the forward assist to chamber a round. Drives me fucking crazy.
MaynardOwns does it? I’ve never noticed that. I still have CS on my computer. I’ll have to go back
And look.
@@01superduty89 I just checked a RUclips video and I think in remembering wrong. Unless I'm getting a Mandela effect thing. I remember at least one cs game, maybe another fps where they used the forward assist after a reload. It's kind of bugging me now that the evolution of the m4 in counterstrike video I watched doesn't show any forward assist use.
MaynardOwns I somewhat remember a game doing this a real long time ago. I just can’t seem to place it. That’s a very specific thing to remember so I doubt your wrong.
super interesting, thanks for the videos, keep making them and I'll keep watching.🖒
Hahahahaha - the Costa reference - SPOT ON Ian. Bravo Sir.
down in the bogside is where I want to be with comrades on me left and comrades on me right and a mag of ammunition for my little armalite!.
Wrong Armalite. :)
All AR pattern rifles are considered armalites by the Irish
I wouldn't be so quick to glorify Northern Irish paramilitaries, friend. We're not big fans of them over here.
Pissing on a hornets nest here.
Sounds about right!
I know you did the mud test of an early AR-15/M16A1/SP-1 (please don't hate me for not getting it right) but what I'd like to see is the actual Vietnam malfunctions demonstrated. Some of the lesser ones like the rifle falling apart or parts breakage all the way up to that horrible extraction issue demonstrated in a hopefully safe manner. A way to visualize exactly what went wrong and how bad it was.
as far as i know the vietnam problems were just feed and extraction issues caused by a different pressure curve created by a powder that burned differently, to which the gas system of the AR was not designed to handle properly. either over gassing or undergassing, i forget exactly. but it could be easily represented by adding an adjustable gas block and just over or under gassing the system i believe. although if you wanted to be truly scientific it would be hard to EXACTLY replicate the pressures they had with such a test. short of having original surplus ammunition and a surplus rifle its hard to have a 1:1 representation.
I figured as much. Just a thought really. Fully visualizing the problem and how much of a repetitive and random issue it was.
They did not chrome the chambers & barrels in the beginning of the Vietnam fiasco. Save those dollars! The chambers especially would corrode, & pits would form. The brass would flow into the pits when the round was fired, locking the shell casing in the chamber. Once the pits had developed, no amount of cleaning would alleviate the problem, only changing out the barrel for a new one.
Feb 1968 at Fort Benning Qualified with a M14 which was being Used in Training ... Few months Later after getting orders to Vietnam had to Qualify with the M16 ... The first M16S didn't have the forward assist ... if your Weapon Jammed you could be in Trouble ...
The need for a forward assist is evident when I used to have to pull back on the charging handle while smacking the butt on the ground to remove a stuck case. To use the Mk 16A1 uppper that would have required an offset pin as the SP1 lower was designed to keep from using the FA upper After 1975 the parts started to be surplused out in large quantities. I started building AR's with all new 16 parts. FA fire groups were modified to prevent FA fire. I still have one that i built over 35 years ago. with all Colt parts except for the lower receiver. Builders today don't know what a luxury they have with the amount of tools and fixtures available to make assembly easier. Also the first SP1 t that I ever saw came in a standard brown cardboard military box that had Colt Commando and the rampant Colt logo printed on the top. Thanks for posting.
I was at a gun show a few months ago and one seller had an M79 and a true fun switch equipped 'Nam era M16. Triangle handguard, 3 prong flash hider, the works. A beautiful couple, needless to say. The thump gun was $8500, the plastic fantastic was a cool $25000. Lots of lookers, no buyers.
If the M16 was "US property" marked, that was a deal at $25k...I believe there are only five in the NFA registry. I own one and a buddy of mine owns another, so there should be only three others out there..
Hemiheaded18 
pardon me ian my dads sp1 in australia did not have forward assist early 80s can you ball park me!
Great video. I bought a brand new Colt AR-15 with a surplus bayonet , surplus web sling , extra 30 round mag and front bi-pod for 475 bucks in 1976. The only difference I see is mine had no forward assist. I had it on consignment at a local gun shop years later and shortly afterwards I got a knock on the door from a police officer holding it in hand asking me if I was the owner. Upon my declaration he quickly told me the local cop shop was interested in buying it. That was the easiest sale I ever made.
That was great Ian! In or about 1967 I had a toy M-16 that I used to play with, probably would not be PC nowadays.
C&R is not catch and release?
At some point some sporter AK's will be C&R too... Intradasting....
Mine is from 1967 and has the duck bill flash hider, no forward assist and a black phosphate smooth side Bolt Carrier. Ian says the one in the video has an M-16 A1 upper, yet it has the screws where the front take-down pin would interface with the lower.. and.. those holes on the SP-1 are larger in diameter than the holes on an M-16A1 upper AND lower.
Colt went to great lengths to ensure that the M16 Upper would be incompatible with the SP-1 lower and Vice-Versa, (including the over-sized screw holes) And, another distinguishing feature of the SP-1 was a high-shelf in the rear trigger pocket to prevent installing a select fire control group, plus The SP-1's Bolt carrier was "neutered". Meaning, it lacked to surface area on the underside that would trip the auto sear.
Based on what I see in the video, and based on my first hand experience in handling, shooting and researching the SP-1, as well as experience with modern ARs, ..What we are seeing in this video is an early 1967 lower, paired with either a late 1960's or early 1970's SP-1 upper.
My first AR was an SP 1. No bolt forward assist, a pencil barrel and the bayonet and scope had the colt logo.
Gun noob here; what practical purpose does the forward assist have?
Tomah4wk If the bolt isnt in battery you slam that thing forward and it forces it into battery then you can shoot.
Making sure/aiding the next round is completely in battery
When it jams, the forward assist allows you to make the jam worse.
you can also chamber a round more silently with it.
Also a gun noob here.
I quite often hear it being criticized when a gun does not have a reciprocating charging handle because you can't "help" the gun out if it doesn't go into battery. I think even on some of your mud-tests on inrange you pointed that out on guns that didn't go into battery.
Doesn't the forward assist essentially do the same as a reciprocating charging handle? I never heard anyone say anything negative about a reciprocating handle and always point it out as a negative when that feature is missing.
I am confused why people seem to always say reciprocating charging handles are a very important for serious "combat" style firearms (I think it was also a requirement on the SCAR project) but are so dismissive about the forward assist on the AR-15.
Yep C&R is a moving 50 years - It would be nice if Antique firearms was say a moving 100 years!
Then original 1911's would be C&R eligible.. the possibilities...
Love the video Ian! I still want to see a video on the Browning m1919a6 though
Great video again. Looks like there is a Receiver Extension Tube roll pin hole on the right side, but not the left.
Does C&R apply to all none Nfa guns over fifty years old or is there any other restrictions
Yes, it does.
+Forgotten Weapons is the C&R status specific to the date? Was this specific SP1 made before February 7th 1967?
I called ATF and they told me it's just the year that matters.
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The first M16A1 I was issued at Fort Knox, KY in 1980 had the name of the transmission division of General Motors engraved/stamped into it's lower receiver and retained the buffer. Others I came across were stamped/engraved "Fisher Body Company" also a division of GM. I can only recall a handful of "Colt's" M16A1s that I encountered either in CONUS or West Germany while I was stationed there. But then our 1911A1s and M3 submachine guns were all of WWII era production and had, like our Vietnam era M16s, M60s and M2 BHMs undergone any number of rebuilds at depot level by the time my generation came along.
Basic training in 1971, Fort knox, Ky My M16A1 was manufactured by GM. So I know by fact 1980 was not the first release o M16A1 In Ft. Knox
@@pleikuvn In 1985 they still had an assortment. I saw Fishers, XM marked and I had a Colt.
my 1967 sears didnt require a serial number, one of my favorite things about it
No mobile phones without calculators? That seems like an arbitrary restriction. Couldn't they just build iPhones without a calculator app?
Friederich Huepfenstolz facepalm
It was a joke. We didn't have pocket calculators in 1967, much less pocket computer/telephones.
*Face Desk*
+1 Internets
Like exactly, couldn't they just integrate nearest calculator locations in Google Maps? Smh at these 60s people.
So why aren't AK's, FAL's, Mosins and various other pre 60's firearms are not C&R?
They are, if they were actually made 50 or more years ago. Not the design, but the specific gun in question.
That's a pretty good reason to get a C&R license
Great work !
thats one of those fully semi automatic baby killers with chainsaw attachments that CNN warned me about. I cant believe you can own those. Im literally shaking
Squad lead: Enemies ahead!
Grunt: bringing out my primary!
Grunt: pew pew pew
Squad Lead: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
Grunt: Oh...my magazine fell out somewhere, my gear must've pressed the magazine release....so I improvised the pew pews...
I thought that the weighted buffers were to prevent "bolt carrier bounce" so the gun didnt exit battery and misfire when in full auto? They would essentially act as a dead-blow hammer.
Another fine video.
Thank you!
I can hear the liberals now "you can ship an ar-15 assault rifle in the mail!" Lol
WERE ALL GOING TO DIE FROM THIS GUN BAN NOW. i wonder if it will ever be brought to their attention and become a issue in the future?
This has nothing to do with being liberal. Sure it's neat but id rather not have my new old functional gun stolen out of my mailbox ready to fire.
Skyfox94 You have to sign for them... Something you cannot get around either. The package handlers just don't leave your gun on your door step...
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old memories :')
Mine was built 1975. All original. No mods. Looks fresh out the box. Great add to my collection.
I've watched almost all your videos and this is by far my favorite channel, I very much want to know when you started your incredible knowledge of firearms. you have my dream job and i would like to learn as much as possible, is there a school or something you went to?
Grandfather owned one. Now my dad owns it. It's a nice gun. One of the, splines? On the top of the triangle handguard is broken off. Otherwise, perfect condition, and it shoots very nice. And it's so light.
Another great video, keep it up!
The forward assist was to put the bolt back in battery in the event the weapon had to be quietly loaded under ambush conditions . There is no way to charge without letting the bolt snap back into place. Which made unwanted noise .
Interesting channel, considering watching your clips and making comments. I like how you made a humorous ending with the official Uncle Sam's first plastic and metal artwork. Only if this had a 2 thumb icon for that. 😆 there should be more like this.
That was a fantastically great nostalgic intro ...born in 19555..so I loved it! The AR15 story was great too!
Reminds me of the time when VW Golfs became elegible for "historical" number plates in Germany... the only real change they made was enforce an already existing theoretical regulation much stricter, that a building date alone is not enough to qualify as historical car, you also need a minimal standard of originality (not overtuned with all OP switched out for third party gadgets) and show it's worth preserving through it's overall condition (so no rustbuckets per se). Not the worst requirement for something getting special treatment as collectible i'd say... and maybe a good idea for firearms in this C&R category too.
I know I’m late to this but there’s a fun fact/Story to the chrome bolt. At the time that the Air Force was getting these shipped through, many Marines would break these down to freak out the airmen cause they were told that their weapons would never be field stripped. Being told that due to at the time they thought “if it’s chrome it won’t jam” which is a reason why many upper receivers didn’t have a forward assists.
That thing that Stoner said about the forward assist makes sense. I was just thinking about that a few days ago.
5:10 was the best explanation youve ever made Ian. I understand exactly what you mean haha
If I was building my "dream AR", it would be in the SP1 pattern, but with 1:7" rifling for modern ammo, a small section of Picatinny rail up front for a light, and not much else. Such a rig would make a nice general-purpose rifle out to 300 meters (as the AR was intended to be).
The barrel is chrome lined, the bolt is chrome plated not lined. One good use for the forward assist is when you are in the bushes and the weeds and you get water in the barrel. You use the charging handle to open the breech part way and let the water out of the barrel then push it forward then use the forward assist to ensure the bolt is fully seated. I am old enough to have carried both an M16 and M16A1 during my time in the Army.
Hey Ian, love the videos and really appreciate the high output right now. I was wondering if you could do a video on the Russian ShKas aircraft machine gun. I've been looking for info on it and can't seem to find any videos. Anyway, keep up the good work!