I totally agree with that, although i'm uneasy about the language of condemnation. In the history of Christianity, especially its modern iterations, condemnation was generally done against the marginalized, not towards the powerful. The church doesn't only need to condemn, it needs first and foremost to condemn the things that should be.
thank you - listening to it was a pleasure - I wonder if DBH would still put it like that, so near to American Conservatism? - whoever read this - great voice - reminds me a bit of Christopher Lee -
Yeah, i ask myself the same thing. Not that the things he says are untrue, but they are very easily misunderstood. This form of criticism against modern individualism sounds almost like integralism, which he despises. Also, it is clear that our modern world is "degenerate." It is brutal and a pure celebration of power, dominion and violence. But the word "degeneracy" is generally just code for queer people as it is used by the far right. This annoys me, especially since they are at the moment the most beloved target of conservative hate propaganda. Hart celebrates himself for his ability to play with words, but on some key issues he is so ambiguous.
I don’t think there is a “post Christian” culture, because there never was a Christian culture, except perhaps before Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. There never was a Europe that worshipped any God but Power; Nietzsche’s slave revolt never took place. There were a few mystics and ascetics who actually abandoned the quest to consume the world, and tried to love their enemies; but the agenda of world conquest has even been woven into the gospels in additions never spoken by Christ like the Great Commission at the end of Mark. What European Christian state or leader has ever for a single second observed the ideals of the sermon on the mount over the imperative of conquest and exploitation? The notion that abortion represents a great self-centeredness completely ignores the truth that it is the poor who suffer when abortion is illegal, and to them, babies are born for whom there is no one to care and no life to be lived, and who will never be educated to anything near the level needed to understand the essays of David Bentley Hart. I love much of what he says, but here, really I can’t go with it. When was this Christian culture he bemoans the death of? When America had slaves? When Napoleon was invading Russia? When heretics were being burned? In the misery of the dark ages? Enough.
@billyoumans1784 It's significant that all your examples are modern. If you're serious about finding an answer to your question, consider the medieval period. Louis IX of France, for instance. Andrew Willard Jones's study "Before Church and State" is a wonderful glimpse into just what a Christian social order can look like. I would further encourage you to dig into the content of New Polity, which is available on RUclips as well as in quality blog articles.
I find Dr. Hart's words somehow comforting, a raft large enough to carry my soul to higher thought and hope. Thank you.
Hart at his best: concise and not compromising depth for breadth. Full of nuanced distinction, but not tedious.
This is profound. I love both the message and the writing style. The speaker is also fantastic. Thank you for posting this.
A masterful dissertation and salutary counsel to re-evaluate our current cultural and ideological orientation .
Beautifully done
He is right. The desert fathers recentered me in this whirlwind
Because an imaginary Near East desert is where this rubbish started.
You think there are no real deserts in the Near East?@@williamoarlock8634
@@williamoarlock8634 I pity you.
@@libatonvhs Is that supposed to mean anything?
@@williamoarlock8634is that you in the pfp?😂
I totally agree with that, although i'm uneasy about the language of condemnation. In the history of Christianity, especially its modern iterations, condemnation was generally done against the marginalized, not towards the powerful. The church doesn't only need to condemn, it needs first and foremost to condemn the things that should be.
Yo, you have a great channel. What AI service do you use to read these texts aloud? Speechify? If so, which AI voice did you select?
The Big homie Hart coming thru! That's what's up!
thank you - listening to it was a pleasure - I wonder if DBH would still put it like that, so near to American Conservatism? - whoever read this - great voice - reminds me a bit of Christopher Lee -
Yeah, i ask myself the same thing. Not that the things he says are untrue, but they are very easily misunderstood. This form of criticism against modern individualism sounds almost like integralism, which he despises.
Also, it is clear that our modern world is "degenerate." It is brutal and a pure celebration of power, dominion and violence. But the word "degeneracy" is generally just code for queer people as it is used by the far right. This annoys me, especially since they are at the moment the most beloved target of conservative hate propaganda. Hart celebrates himself for his ability to play with words, but on some key issues he is so ambiguous.
Brilliant and magisterial!
Agreed 100% about the resemblance between the reader's voice and Christopher Lee's. I'd be very pleased to know the reader's identity.
@@alem8100Is he suggesting that abortion Should be a legal option? Wasn’t clear on that
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This sounds like the actor Christopher Lee...?
"....to gaze fervently at pornography or to be come a Unitarian...?" really?
I don’t think there is a “post Christian” culture, because there never was a Christian culture, except perhaps before Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. There never was a Europe that worshipped any God but Power; Nietzsche’s slave revolt never took place. There were a few mystics and ascetics who actually abandoned the quest to consume the world, and tried to love their enemies; but the agenda of world conquest has even been woven into the gospels in additions never spoken by Christ like the Great Commission at the end of Mark. What European Christian state or leader has ever for a single second observed the ideals of the sermon on the mount over the imperative of conquest and exploitation? The notion that abortion represents a great self-centeredness completely ignores the truth that it is the poor who suffer when abortion is illegal, and to them, babies are born for whom there is no one to care and no life to be lived, and who will never be educated to anything near the level needed to understand the essays of David Bentley Hart. I love much of what he says, but here, really I can’t go with it. When was this Christian culture he bemoans the death of? When America had slaves? When Napoleon was invading Russia? When heretics were being burned? In the misery of the dark ages? Enough.
@billyoumans1784 It's significant that all your examples are modern.
If you're serious about finding an answer to your question, consider the medieval period. Louis IX of France, for instance. Andrew Willard Jones's study "Before Church and State" is a wonderful glimpse into just what a Christian social order can look like.
I would further encourage you to dig into the content of New Polity, which is available on RUclips as well as in quality blog articles.