"There more then 80 ships!" 2202 space yamato comet empire: 22 million ships to make a one use cannon using a fake sun to blast earth. And still has millions more
I personally prefer the original version. The Stakes are easier to follow and comprehend. Earth was resource strapped having just fought a pyrrhic war against Gamilas, and were struggling to rebuild their fleet. If the new series had been more realistic, pitting a hundred Earth Ships against a thousand powerful Gatlantis ships, and needing to outsmart the superior fleet with tactics, it would be more compelling. But instead earth has a thousand ships, and Gatlantis has millions… Every time a million ships are blown up, a million more pop in from the aether… It’s incomprehensible and impossible to feel compelled by the Stakes of the story when a thousand earth shops are blown up, because the writers suddenly pull out another thousand ships from nowhere…
@beuwenthedragon7122 i know, the majority of these space shows seem to have no clue how to handle scale. Like, yeah, thousands vs hundreds can be better managed you can do abit more with. But i think the problem to is that they were just concentrated at saturn, like what? Wouldn't it make more sense that the comet empire with millions of ships just be spread out and strech the EDF?
Somehow, the Comet Empire General sounds more threatening in Original Japanese than in this dub. Hearing his high-pitch voice like this made it hard to take him seriously. And they even get the name of their weapon wrong, I mean, the guns on their battleships that attack Captain Slate's fleet was called Impulse Gun in Original, and everyone, even those who watched only dub, know that Shock Cannon is Earth's weapon since Quest of Iscandar.
I read somewhere that detailed in the manga version was that the magna flame gun (whatever it was called in Japanese) had been more a curiosity than a real weapon, as it had a very short range compared even to light shock cannons. What we're seeing in the is a melding of Cometine and Gamilon tech; the MFG is being fired into a SMITE field they copied from Deslock's new command ship and is 'warping' to the target.
I remember being about 10 or 11 years old and running home from school to not miss the beginning of the show. I found this on youtube a while back and showed it to my wife. Her comment was basically, "this is a show for boys". She was right. It was the show that every geeky kid in school would watch.
Coolest vision of space exploration and sci-fi adventure ever! Beats da hec out of Star Trek's vision. Ocean ships in space! What an awesome conception!
It's really a damned shame, that Captains. Gideon, Slate, and their ships, and some of the ships of their EDF Floatilla, couldn't survive the ill-fated encounter with the main ship of the Comet Empire!
OMG! I use to love watching Star Blazers when I was a kid. I'd be very surprise if they'd try making a live action movie from this beloved anime series.
I LOVED watching Star Blazers every day as a kid, and this was my favorite episode, AWESOME BATTLE (with awesome music! love the music when the Shock Cannon is fired!)
what I've wondered is if the EDF had their modernized fleet to use against the gamilons when they first invaded, is if they could have held them off from invading the solar system? More powerful ships with wave motion guns and in greater numbers, I think they could.
@@TheDaltonius Gideon is too pride and too arrogance. Had Andromeda assigned to more competent captain like Wildstar. it'll be better off. But again EDF didn't have Wave Motion tech until much later so early Earth Fleet in EP1 is a sucker (In truth EP1 Season1 is wholly written by Leiji Matsumoto, based on his daddy's (Tsuyoshi) wartime experience as IJA Air Corps leading ace. particularly during the ill-fated Phillipines campaign which he losts much of his young airmen because he considered these subordinates were not ready enough to engage the enemy air fleet so he ordered them to avoid attack. a decision he regretted for the whole life, remember EP1 where Wildstar the younger asked about his brother, Avatar simply lowered his head and say 'I'm sorry'. The Battle itself is heavily based on the same WW2 experiences in Phillipines, particularly with a scene that EDF Fleet shoot its main gun only to find that it does nothing against Gamilon basic warships! Actually this reflected the same Battleship actions where American BB (can't remember what) did outshoot and heavily damaged Kirishima without the latter has any chance to return fire. this because The Allies (US Navy and Royal Navy) is geared towards computerized electronic warfare!!! Allies had BOTH Radar and Rangekeeper firecontrol systems, IJN had none. Funny enough. Space Yamato eventually got its own computerized firecrontrol system some two centuries later which Wildstar did use them to great effect against each and every enemies the ship encounters. and funny enough, shock cannon targetting system is nothing short of Luftwaffe Revi C12D gunsight, ( no similiar Revies were fitted in any Japanese warplanes including Zero.) which one example is now owned by Leiji Matsumoto himself!
The first fleet missed all targets because they couldn't lock on. From previous episode, Empire ships could confuse computer aided earth ships. The Comet empire flag ship was fired on by dozens of earth ships, most shots missing. Only when Empire ships were in the magnetic storm could Earth target ships. Further, the earth ships were built quickly and without much armor. Gideon said they were outmanned (over 80 ships) and outgunned (greater range). He intended to use surprise, why he left a big reserve fleet behind Titan. Retreating was a decoy. It took away the advantage their longer range firepower.
josephfilm73 Excellent points. Yes, the Comet Empire had some technological advances that proved to be a major disadvantage for the Earth Defense Fleet. I believe they also acquired some teleportation technology from the Gamilas/Gamilons, enabling them to increase the magma flame gun's range. I forgot that Hijikata/Gideon had a reserve fleet near Titan. In that case, his retreat was brilliant ruse. I wish that the Andromeda had survived. She would have come in handy when Zordar's dreadnought came out of the wrecked fortress and attacked the Yamato/Argo.
Steven Cohen There was an episode where they argued against computerizing the argo. It was the only ship that was manual. Gideon said to Wildstar chase the Empire fleet into Saturn's rings, he'll be waiting. The first fleet was to be sacrificed to close the range of battle (Japanese version). When that didn't work Gideon had to retreat to close the range more. That the flame gun didn't work was luck. In the Japanese version, Gideon didn't ask what to do. That was stupid English dub. It's customary in Japan for the high ranks to take over only when the lower ranks can't handle things. It wouldn't have mattered. They had fired the particle wave gun and were ordered to use all their remaining power shooting the top of the Comet Empire. It would take a half an hour even for the new ships to gain back any power. No earth ship could match Zordars ship anyhow. Gideon said it would take 5 Andromedas to take on the Comet Empire. Zordars ship had more firepower than the Comet.
josephfilm73 Someone once commented that the Yamato should have resumed firing once the dreadnought came out of Gatlantis. I don't think the Yamato's shock cannons could have caused much damage to it, given its' size. From what you've told me, even if she had assistance from the Andromeda, it probably wouldn't have mattered. At the beginning of the first season, we saw the Yamato survive a massive nuclear explosion as it was launching. Zordar's ship was undoubtedly even more resilient than that.
Steven Cohen In the Japanese version (movie) Kodai expressed regret for assuming the Comet Empire was destroyed and not kept firing. It may have made some difference when the ship wasn't yet turned on. It probably had the same shields the Comet had. Why wouldn't it? None of this really matters because the script called for a sacrifice to be made. This parallels the actual history of the Yamato, which was sent on a mission of no return. The whole Saturn battle was based on battle at midway. There were plans for a larger ship with 21" guns and over 150,000 tons but it was only partly constructed.
Why do all the other ships blow up so easily? and the Argo can take 10 to 20 hits show damage but never blow up?? Great series but have some consistancy. Could some of the Commet Empire ships take some damage and fly away damaged instead of completely blowing up after 1 hit? what are they filed with hydrogen?
You're right. Argo/Yamato just takes a beating and keeps on ticking. It's as if the ship was meant to take whatever punishment and pain, no matter how many times they've been bombed and still get the job done. Reminds me of Japanese animators and the masochistic pain they go through to get shows like these made and still do the job well.
And another thing(assuming RUclips puts my comments in the write spot!), the rocked out music in this scene(where the enemy fleet leader talks of plunging into the heart of the Earth Fleet) are awsome. It reminds of that classic tune(which the name escapes me...) used in the original James Caan Roller Ball movie. The Earth fleet turret guns sound cool, as usual. I loved mimicing that noise when I was a kid(15-17?)back in the early 80's. I still do!
The way i understood it, that was just a prototype given to an expandable commander and known loose cannon. Probably they plan to mass produce that kind of ship, just like the Garmillans mass produced their dreadnaughts.
By the latest PV that came out today. They really did mass-produce Magna Flame gun! And more, that Comet Empire Battleship (that decimated Captain Slate Fleet in this vid) completely stole Asteroid shield projector from 1974 Yamato (see the first Starblazer version of Opening in case you don't know what it look like) and added a few more tricks to it!
machaiping - Saw the first minutes of the new series, i just can`t wait to see this. And yes, that scene totally reminded me of that moment from the old series, where the Yamato had rocks floating in a circle around it.
pinoi78 That ship is just a class of dreadnought that the Comet Empire use in 2202, it's not a special one of a kind command ship like it was in the original series.
Andromeda XO : So... why did you even send captain Slate to attack the enemy fleet ? He was outgunned and outnumbered, there was no way he could beat them. Gideon : Slate spilled his coffee on my favorite jacket at lunch. Andromeda XO : I thing I'm gonna defect...
They need to do something about General Stone. I for one am glad Gideon stood up to him. "Battles are not fought in defense council rooms" would make a great email signature.
bellefeu general stone was obviously someone who had no combat experience and owed his rank to either political patrons, or just being in each grade so long he was automatically promoted. If you want to read a good military science fiction series, read the Honor Harrington series by David Weber.
In the remake Yamato 2199 a battle is shown between Gamilas and Gatlantis (with this same music) and the efficiency of Domel's tactics and Gamilas ships is scary (to Gatlantis anyway)
The only problem I had with the reboot battle were those stupid sword ships. That and they never included any of the ships that actually had the magna flame cannons in the Comet Empire Fleet.
Good god. The remake seriously redeemed this anime lol! I mean, if show most of the same stuff with same sound effects and pretty much the same OST, but the rest is 100000000x better than what is shown here. Jeez
The reflective shield works against wave motion guns wich are laser (it reflects the laser away). the magna flame gun was a different type of weapon (looks to me like plasma or something like) so "mirrors" would been useless against it
Admittedly Slate's fleet is mostly patrol cruisers. Slate's command ship is just a heavy crusier (compared to the Andromeda class and Yamato, which are Battleships)
I kind of wish a channel would take the series and re-release it! I think a lot of kids will get some of that respect for veterans that is missing nowadays!
One big question: Why didn't Sandor share his reflection technology with the Earth Defense Force. For reference, I allude to the last episode of the Quest for Iscandar. You would think after the first very successful test that the such a defense would have been extremely handy against the magna flame gun. Sandor is too tight-lipped about his pet projects. Thanks also go to Captain Slate for dropping the ball.
Probably op defends. Plus wave gun had unlimited range mention by pluto commander in QfI but here they have a limited range. The ship Sandor work on were built to last, even after taken massive beat. Alex wildstar missle ship took a massive beaten by entire enemy fleet and survived a chase landing on titan.
The ships are all automated by a central computer. Practice won't help. That is why Wildstar went ballistic when Sandor mentioned the "upgrades" proposed for the Argo.
The japanese Toho Studios have started filming a live action version of "The Quest for Iscandar" this year, premier has been set to december 2010. :) We can only hope that The Comet Empire will follow on later.
I'm sorry, but I just can't enjoy 'Star Blazers' like I enjoy the original Japanese version. Sure it's difficult to find dead-accurate subbing, but at least the names don't sound like they were invented on the spot by ten year olds and the voice acting doesn't fall short on me. I mean, Desslar (or Desslok) had an amazing powerful voice where as his dubbed counterpart had an irritating parody of a British accent. Not to mention how skilled the Japanese voice actors were. I'm sorry to say but Star Blazers voice actors sound like they're reading straight off the script with little preparation. :/
+Tom Hughes I know what you're saying. The original voices were stronger and sounded better, and the tone of the series felt that it was geared towards adults (in so many ways). However, my guess is is that it depends which version you saw first- the original Space Battleship Yamato or Starblazers. My own feeling is that both versions have their strengths. And if you were a 70's kid, so used to bland Hanna Barbara & Filmmation product, who was watching Starblazers for the first time, you would've noticed such a difference between Starblazers & such product as say "Hong Kong Phooey" (ugh!). Heck, the animation was detailed & well drawn, the music was sensational, the action was exciting and the drama was way above even "Jason of Star Command" or "Flash Gordon" or "Star Trek" (the FIlmmation series where the characters hardly moved, not so much as a jiggle from Kirk's waistline.). Finally, given that it was non-Union actors who were dubbing for one of the first major anime shows of the 70's for an after-school audience, the voices came out okay (although yes, some of the dialogue does veer toward lines that sound out of Plan 9 From Outer Space.) So even if the original voice of Desler is the best, Desslock's British accent still captures the arrogance and cunning as well as the humanity of one of Sci Fi Tv's most fascinating villains. Besides, what I think is a miracle is how Starblazers managed to stick with the original story, keeping so much drama, pathos and sheer suspense intact, considering the censorship of the period. (Anyone for the SuperFriends?)
At least they didn't do it like they do in Europe. They just put a louder voice over the original voice. Its hideous. I liked the dubbed better, that is what i am used to. Dubbed isn't always automatically worse.
@@Jordan-Ramses You're totally wrong. Here in Italy we have on of the best voice actor selection in the world, and most of them worked also on animation. Starblazers was 100% dubbed, using the USA names since they imported directly from Japan (this was unusual, normally the dubbed directly the Japanese series). The voice acting is absolutely superior, quite better than the original StarBlazers.
The first of the Yamato 2199 movies to deal with the Comet Empire is coming out on Saturday the 6th of December. The Magnaflame Gun is present and deadly as ever. I hope to see this battle recreated using that level on animation technology in the near future.
Ithekro Even better; from Our Star Blazers dot com said that Yamato 2199 season 2 is in pre-production state - essentially they're going to remake the Comet Empire arc now!
machaiping While that is not entirely confirmed yet (it is practically confirmed) I imagine we'll get an announcement during one of the various events Yamato 2199 will be at in the next month, or by October or November like they did with Yamato 2199. Were we heard about it happening around July, but no official announcement until mid-Fall.
Patrick Lenigan There is little chance of there being anything but Japanese voice at this time. The Star Blazers 2199 dubbing never got past the attempt to get to sold to a studio and the Subtitled version stopped coming out after Volume 4 was released a year ago. There has been absolutely nothing about more on that front in the last year. Only the Space Battleship Yamato 2199 material keeps coming, and the Japanese will make more.
I don't understand we see the Argo take so many hits and not blow up especially after the rainbow galaxy battle. Yet the so-called modern ships take one hit by the shock cannon and blow up. I understand the magnum flame gun , Even Captain slate flagship blew up rather easily. A little bit of inconsistency here was annoying
The ghosts of the dead who served on her before is the glue that keeps the Yamato (Argo) together in battle where a lesser ship will be destroyed. I know that is not anywhere in the story line but I convinced myself that that is the only reasonable explanation behind the spirit of the Yamato.
All I know is if I'm on a spaceship, I want the Argo's damage control team. They can fix anything with the most limited amount of materials in the most dire of any situations!
This dialog is comedic. All I could think about while watching this was StarFox64 sector Y mission. How the cornaria fleet was getting wiped out by addrosses space army before starfox got called in to the front lines. Anyone remember that? fighting mechs too. haha! best mission
i renember reading that the third bridge is inverted and only serves to comand the ship from there in inverted operations or some special cases.. so usually there is nobody down there (also explains why writers blow it up so often..its useless)
If this were a live movie(Come on-nn original producers!!!), I'd get character actor Lance Legualt of A-Team-fame to play Capt.Gidion(his voice as amazing the LeGualt looks just like Gidion!. By the way...Any body get the in-joke about Capt.SLATE? Previous posters may have mentioned this already, but Slate is obviously a reference to the great old Flintstone cartoon. 'Slate' was Fred's boss...:p to ALSILVERU2-> It was not Robert Stack's voice-over. I'd like to know this info, also.
When Voyager Entertainment dubbed all the Start Blazers series for American viewing they butchered everything to make it more kid friendly. When I watched the original Japanese releases I realized how much was cut/changed in the English dubbed version to make it appropriate to television in the 80's. Names, ships, places and story were changed way too much. I now hate Voyager's version and instead go with the original Japanese releases. I hope they don't do the same thing to Yamato 2199. :(
I'm 35 and this was an awsome cartoon "Just 365 days left!" Was that voice Robert Stack of the show Unsolved Mysteries? lol Where can I get all the episodes? Anybody like the Battle of the Planets - G Force? Mark, Princes, Jason, Tiny, Kyop. Cartoons will never be the same.. 8/15/06 10:28 pm Dallas, Texas
I watched all 26 episodes of the Bolar Wars and believe you made the correct decision. It was recycled "Quest for Iscandar" straight from the dumpster :(
After forgetting about the "deadly cold" of Saturn's ice ring, the Comet Empire was a "Genital Bleep". His incompetence cost his troops their ships, lives and the battle. If he were Gamilon, Desslok would have shot him on the spot.
No disrespect, just discussion. Don't think Shock Cannons are tornadoes. For that you need air. Bleek incompetent definitely! Good thing so was his opponent : After criticizing the enemy for dividing his fleet (btw Does this remind anyone of Midway?) What does Gideon do? Sends poor Slate to his death. Good military tactics, concentrate your force against a single enemy point.
I rather would have warped towards them (altho they wouldnt have the power to fire the wave motion guns after that) and take them on at close range than to get torn apart by the magna flame cannon
"Sir, their guns have twice our range". Captain, "that's bad". LOL, love the dialogue
To be fair, Star Blazers had some good dubbed dialogue moments. This wasn’t one of them, lol.
Easily the best space cartoon series ever. I used to be addicted to Star Blazers when I was 9 and 10.
Yes and I was 13
Cartoon.... 💀💀💀
Disco music always makes space battle seem more intense.
"1,000 Megameters on the portside."
Holy hell, they got the distances right!
A billion meters away. FIRE
Well, considering that lasers can hit a target at that range in 3 seconds...yeah that actually got that right too 🤯
_Star Blazers_ is probably the only space opera to even *use* the term "megameters". I've always loved that little detail.
"There more then 80 ships!"
2202 space yamato comet empire: 22 million ships to make a one use cannon using a fake sun to blast earth. And still has millions more
I personally prefer the original version. The Stakes are easier to follow and comprehend.
Earth was resource strapped having just fought a pyrrhic war against Gamilas, and were struggling to rebuild their fleet.
If the new series had been more realistic, pitting a hundred Earth Ships against a thousand powerful Gatlantis ships, and needing to outsmart the superior fleet with tactics, it would be more compelling.
But instead earth has a thousand ships, and Gatlantis has millions…
Every time a million ships are blown up, a million more pop in from the aether…
It’s incomprehensible and impossible to feel compelled by the Stakes of the story when a thousand earth shops are blown up, because the writers suddenly pull out another thousand ships from nowhere…
@beuwenthedragon7122 i know, the majority of these space shows seem to have no clue how to handle scale. Like, yeah, thousands vs hundreds can be better managed you can do abit more with. But i think the problem to is that they were just concentrated at saturn, like what? Wouldn't it make more sense that the comet empire with millions of ships just be spread out and strech the EDF?
Somehow, the Comet Empire General sounds more threatening in Original Japanese than in this dub. Hearing his high-pitch voice like this made it hard to take him seriously.
And they even get the name of their weapon wrong, I mean, the guns on their battleships that attack Captain Slate's fleet was called Impulse Gun in Original, and everyone, even those who watched only dub, know that Shock Cannon is Earth's weapon since Quest of Iscandar.
Yeah they sound like they are pinching their nose
Of all the voices in the English Dub, I favoured Dessler’s voice actor the most. High born, Arrogant, but Cunning, highly Intelligent and Devious.
I read somewhere that detailed in the manga version was that the magna flame gun (whatever it was called in Japanese) had been more a curiosity than a real weapon, as it had a very short range compared even to light shock cannons. What we're seeing in the is a melding of Cometine and Gamilon tech; the MFG is being fired into a SMITE field they copied from Deslock's new command ship and is 'warping' to the target.
In Japanese,The magna flame gun is called 火炎直撃砲(Kaen chokugeki hou)
Listening to the Comet Empire music during the battle makes you want to break out the disco ball!
Damn, I love the Comet Empire battle music.
MrPier101
7 years ago Same here.
@Ken He Thank you.
I remember being about 10 or 11 years old and running home from school to not miss the beginning of the show. I found this on youtube a while back and showed it to my wife. Her comment was basically, "this is a show for boys". She was right. It was the show that every geeky kid in school would watch.
HellisLikeNewark That's a problem?
@@GrahamCStrouse Unfortunately, in today's climate, its made out to be a problem. Boys can't have their own thing anymore.
This show and Battle of the Planets
Coolest vision of space exploration and sci-fi adventure ever! Beats da hec out of Star Trek's vision. Ocean ships in space! What an awesome conception!
It's really a damned shame, that Captains. Gideon, Slate, and their ships, and some of the ships of their EDF Floatilla, couldn't survive the ill-fated encounter with the main ship of the Comet Empire!
*Captain Gideon! There are more than 80 ships!*
Hahahah, just you wait for chapter 5 of Yamato 2202
Over 2000 XD
@@WadcaWymiaru it's over 9000
True, but the emotional effect of the explosions are what make the scenes so good!
OMG! I use to love watching Star Blazers when I was a kid. I'd be very surprise if they'd try making a live action movie from this beloved anime series.
Did you see the remake which came out in 2010 by Toho?
They did. It's pretty bad.
No challenge/battle at the rainbow galaxy
I LOVED watching Star Blazers every day as a kid, and this was my favorite episode, AWESOME BATTLE (with awesome music! love the music when the Shock Cannon is fired!)
In original Japanese they're called 'Assault Cannon' (Kougeki Hou)
I watch this show back in 1980 near .Houston,texas on channel 39 back in the days still love it
I used to watch this show all the time when I was younger.
da randomator Who didn't?
バルゼー提督の声優酷すぎるｗｗｗ
待ってマジで草www
what I've wondered is if the EDF had their modernized fleet to use against the gamilons when they first invaded, is if they could have held them off from invading the solar system? More powerful ships with wave motion guns and in greater numbers, I think they could.
Andromeda class go pew pew
@@TheDaltonius Gideon is too pride and too arrogance.
Had Andromeda assigned to more competent captain like Wildstar. it'll be better off.
But again EDF didn't have Wave Motion tech until much later so early Earth Fleet in EP1 is a sucker (In truth EP1 Season1 is wholly written by Leiji Matsumoto, based on his daddy's (Tsuyoshi) wartime experience as IJA Air Corps leading ace. particularly during the ill-fated Phillipines campaign which he losts much of his young airmen because he considered these subordinates were not ready enough to engage the enemy air fleet so he ordered them to avoid attack. a decision he regretted for the whole life, remember EP1 where Wildstar the younger asked about his brother, Avatar simply lowered his head and say 'I'm sorry'. The Battle itself is heavily based on the same WW2 experiences in Phillipines, particularly with a scene that EDF Fleet shoot its main gun only to find that it does nothing against Gamilon basic warships! Actually this reflected the same Battleship actions where American BB (can't remember what) did outshoot and heavily damaged Kirishima without the latter has any chance to return fire. this because The Allies (US Navy and Royal Navy) is geared towards computerized electronic warfare!!! Allies had BOTH Radar and Rangekeeper firecontrol systems, IJN had none.
Funny enough. Space Yamato eventually got its own computerized firecrontrol system some two centuries later which Wildstar did use them to great effect against each and every enemies the ship encounters. and funny enough, shock cannon targetting system is nothing short of Luftwaffe Revi C12D gunsight, ( no similiar Revies were fitted in any Japanese warplanes including Zero.) which one example is now owned by Leiji Matsumoto himself!
That sounds reasonable. I assume this same applies to those Comet Empire shock cannons that form "tornados" around ships and rip them apart.
敵に敬意を払うって概念ないのが声優のチョイスから伝わってくる
They recently confirmed after remaking season 1 in 2199 they are now remaking season 2 as Yamato 2202 soldiers of love.
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4:09 I wish Gideon had said, "All ships, switch off your wave motion guns. We're warping in", then let loose with their shock cannons.
The first fleet missed all targets because they couldn't lock on. From previous episode, Empire ships could confuse computer aided earth ships. The Comet empire flag ship was fired on by dozens of earth ships, most shots missing. Only when Empire ships were in the magnetic storm could Earth target ships. Further, the earth ships were built quickly and without much armor. Gideon said they were outmanned (over 80 ships) and outgunned (greater range). He intended to use surprise, why he left a big reserve fleet behind Titan. Retreating was a decoy. It took away the advantage their longer range firepower.
josephfilm73 Excellent points. Yes, the Comet Empire had some technological advances that proved to be a major disadvantage for the Earth Defense Fleet. I believe they also acquired some teleportation technology from the Gamilas/Gamilons, enabling them to increase the magma flame gun's range.
I forgot that Hijikata/Gideon had a reserve fleet near Titan. In that case, his retreat was brilliant ruse.
I wish that the Andromeda had survived. She would have come in handy when Zordar's dreadnought came out of the wrecked fortress and attacked the Yamato/Argo.
Steven Cohen There was an episode where they argued against computerizing the argo. It was the only ship that was manual. Gideon said to Wildstar chase the Empire fleet into Saturn's rings, he'll be waiting. The first fleet was to be sacrificed to close the range of battle (Japanese version). When that didn't work Gideon had to retreat to close the range more. That the flame gun didn't work was luck. In the Japanese version, Gideon didn't ask what to do. That was stupid English dub. It's customary in Japan for the high ranks to take over only when the lower ranks can't handle things. It wouldn't have mattered. They had fired the particle wave gun and were ordered to use all their remaining power shooting the top of the Comet Empire. It would take a half an hour even for the new ships to gain back any power. No earth ship could match Zordars ship anyhow. Gideon said it would take 5 Andromedas to take on the Comet Empire. Zordars ship had more firepower than the Comet.
josephfilm73 Someone once commented that the Yamato should have resumed firing once the dreadnought came out of Gatlantis. I don't think the Yamato's shock cannons could have caused much damage to it, given its' size. From what you've told me, even if she had assistance from the Andromeda, it probably wouldn't have mattered. At the beginning of the first season, we saw the Yamato survive a massive nuclear explosion as it was launching. Zordar's ship was undoubtedly even more resilient than that.
Steven Cohen In the Japanese version (movie) Kodai expressed regret for assuming the Comet Empire was destroyed and not kept firing. It may have made some difference when the ship wasn't yet turned on. It probably had the same shields the Comet had. Why wouldn't it? None of this really matters because the script called for a sacrifice to be made. This parallels the actual history of the Yamato, which was sent on a mission of no return. The whole Saturn battle was based on battle at midway. There were plans for a larger ship with 21" guns and over 150,000 tons but it was only partly constructed.
Why do all the other ships blow up so easily? and the Argo can take 10 to 20 hits show damage but never blow up?? Great series but have some consistancy. Could some of the Commet Empire ships take some damage and fly away damaged instead of completely blowing up after 1 hit? what are they filed with hydrogen?
You're right. Argo/Yamato just takes a beating and keeps on ticking. It's as if the ship was meant to take whatever punishment and pain, no matter how many times they've been bombed and still get the job done. Reminds me of Japanese animators and the masochistic pain they go through to get shows like these made and still do the job well.
And another thing(assuming RUclips puts my comments in the write spot!), the rocked out music in this scene(where the enemy fleet leader talks of plunging into the heart of the Earth Fleet) are awsome. It reminds of that classic tune(which the name escapes me...) used in the original James Caan Roller Ball movie.
The Earth fleet turret guns sound cool, as usual. I loved mimicing that noise when I was a kid(15-17?)back in the early 80's. I still do!
got to love a cartoon where people actually died lol
Gonna be interesting to see how this is handled in Yamato 2202 as the Gatlantis flagship was destroyed in the Ark of the Stars movie.
The way i understood it, that was just a prototype given to an expandable commander and known loose cannon. Probably they plan to mass produce that kind of ship, just like the Garmillans mass produced their dreadnaughts.
By the latest PV that came out today. They really did mass-produce Magna Flame gun! And more, that Comet Empire Battleship (that decimated Captain Slate Fleet in this vid) completely stole Asteroid shield projector from 1974 Yamato (see the first Starblazer version of Opening in case you don't know what it look like) and added a few more tricks to it!
machaiping - Saw the first minutes of the new series, i just can`t wait to see this.
And yes, that scene totally reminded me of that moment from the old series, where the Yamato had rocks floating in a circle around it.
Is that movie in canon? 2202 should be a direct continuation of 2199 and not the movie.
pinoi78 That ship is just a class of dreadnought that the Comet Empire use in 2202, it's not a special one of a kind command ship like it was in the original series.
"All systems check! Ready for firing!" = sound like Terrance & Phillip. :P
Andromeda XO : So... why did you even send captain Slate to attack the enemy fleet ? He was outgunned and outnumbered, there was no way he could beat them.
Gideon : Slate spilled his coffee on my favorite jacket at lunch.
Andromeda XO : I thing I'm gonna defect...
They need to do something about General Stone. I for one am glad Gideon stood up to him. "Battles are not fought in defense council rooms" would make a great email signature.
bellefeu general stone was obviously someone who had no combat experience and owed his rank to either political patrons, or just being in each grade so long he was automatically promoted. If you want to read a good military science fiction series, read the Honor Harrington series by David Weber.
スターブレイザーズ・ザ・コメットエンパイアは、宇宙戦艦ヤマトパート２の英語版です！
yes it is. but with a person who will later becomes Starscream in the next decade.
I love this scene. Skeletors armada vs captain lung cancers flotilla.
In the remake Yamato 2199 a battle is shown between Gamilas and Gatlantis (with this same music) and the efficiency of Domel's tactics and Gamilas ships is scary (to Gatlantis anyway)
I watched this when it came on tv I was 12
I really prefer the reboot version of this fight, personally.
The only problem I had with the reboot battle were those stupid sword ships. That and they never included any of the ships that actually had the magna flame cannons in the Comet Empire Fleet.
@@Weamz Really? I thought the Eaters were really chilling.
0:55 starscream is that you?
"magnum flame gun at 100%" - gun crew man # 1
" magnum flame gun at full power" gun crew man # 2
wasnt that redundent ?
they said it "wave motion gun". i could not understand the "wave motion" meanings until later i knew that it comes from quantum mechanics.
Poor tactics on the part of Captian Gideon! Doesn't the Andromeda have fighter squadrons? No wonder they got their asses kicked!
Good god. The remake seriously redeemed this anime lol! I mean, if show most of the same stuff with same sound effects and pretty much the same OST, but the rest is 100000000x better than what is shown here. Jeez
The reflective shield works against wave motion guns wich are laser (it reflects the laser away). the magna flame gun was a different type of weapon (looks to me like plasma or something like) so "mirrors" would been useless against it
what? Turn based combat? I loved this show!
Admittedly Slate's fleet is mostly patrol cruisers. Slate's command ship is just a heavy crusier (compared to the Andromeda class and Yamato, which are Battleships)
the music starts on 2:45 is like one BGM in Gundam 0079 called "Red comet"
that moment when you realize starscream also did the voice of captain gideon
I kind of wish a channel would take the series and re-release it! I think a lot of kids will get some of that respect for veterans that is missing nowadays!
Agreed, found this by accident and stoked!
I can't wait to see this in the star blazers 2199 I just hope they don't completely change the story
Too bad fhey've changed it completly
..all our nostalgic posts means only one thing....we are in our 30 years old and beyond. LOL. i luv the 80s.....
One big question: Why didn't Sandor share his reflection technology with the Earth Defense Force. For reference, I allude to the last episode of the Quest for Iscandar. You would think after the first very successful test that the such a defense would have been extremely handy against the magna flame gun. Sandor is too tight-lipped about his pet projects.
Thanks also go to Captain Slate for dropping the ball.
Probably op defends. Plus wave gun had unlimited range mention by pluto commander in QfI but here they have a limited range.
The ship Sandor work on were built to last, even after taken massive beat. Alex wildstar missle ship took a massive beaten by entire enemy fleet and survived a chase landing on titan.
The CE shock cannons were ridiculously OP
The ships are all automated by a central computer. Practice won't help. That is why Wildstar went ballistic when Sandor mentioned the "upgrades" proposed for the Argo.
GET"R"DONE!
Best Sci-fi Cartoon!
宇宙戦艦ヤマトが好きでたまりません！
迫力あるね〜!
This is your captain speaking.
Fire at will!
Gotta love that 70's voice acting. Still a great episode though.
So Do you like Chris Latta doing Gideon or Starscream?
The japanese Toho Studios have started filming a live action version of "The Quest for Iscandar" this year, premier has been set to december 2010. :)
We can only hope that The Comet Empire will follow on later.
I'm sorry, but I just can't enjoy 'Star Blazers' like I enjoy the original Japanese version. Sure it's difficult to find dead-accurate subbing, but at least the names don't sound like they were invented on the spot by ten year olds and the voice acting doesn't fall short on me. I mean, Desslar (or Desslok) had an amazing powerful voice where as his dubbed counterpart had an irritating parody of a British accent. Not to mention how skilled the Japanese voice actors were. I'm sorry to say but Star Blazers voice actors sound like they're reading straight off the script with little preparation. :/
+Tom Hughes I know what you're saying. The original voices were stronger and sounded better, and the tone of the series felt that it was geared towards adults (in so many ways). However, my guess is is that it depends which version you saw first- the original Space Battleship Yamato or Starblazers. My own feeling is that both versions have their strengths. And if you were a 70's kid, so used to bland Hanna Barbara & Filmmation product, who was watching Starblazers for the first time, you would've noticed such a difference between Starblazers & such product as say "Hong Kong Phooey" (ugh!). Heck, the animation was detailed & well drawn, the music was sensational, the action was exciting and the drama was way above even "Jason of Star Command" or "Flash Gordon" or "Star Trek" (the FIlmmation series where the characters hardly moved, not so much as a jiggle from Kirk's waistline.). Finally, given that it was non-Union actors who were dubbing for one of the first major anime shows of the 70's for an after-school audience, the voices came out okay (although yes, some of the dialogue does veer toward lines that sound out of Plan 9 From Outer Space.) So even if the original voice of Desler is the best, Desslock's British accent still captures the arrogance and cunning as well as the humanity of one of Sci Fi Tv's most fascinating villains. Besides, what I think is a miracle is how Starblazers managed to stick with the original story, keeping so much drama, pathos and sheer suspense intact, considering the censorship of the period. (Anyone for the SuperFriends?)
Tom Hughes check out the reboot starblazers 2199. Its way better. the animation is 10 times better.
At least they didn't do it like they do in Europe. They just put a louder voice over the original voice. Its hideous. I liked the dubbed better, that is what i am used to. Dubbed isn't always automatically worse.
@@Jordan-Ramses You're totally wrong. Here in Italy we have on of the best voice actor selection in the world, and most of them worked also on animation.
Starblazers was 100% dubbed, using the USA names since they imported directly from Japan (this was unusual, normally the dubbed directly the Japanese series).
The voice acting is absolutely superior, quite better than the original StarBlazers.
Someone needs to by the comet empire general some Claritin or something
Admiral...our fleet was made of explodium.....damn
The first of the Yamato 2199 movies to deal with the Comet Empire is coming out on Saturday the 6th of December. The Magnaflame Gun is present and deadly as ever. I hope to see this battle recreated using that level on animation technology in the near future.
Yeah! Can't wait to see it!
Ithekro Even better; from Our Star Blazers dot com said that Yamato 2199 season 2 is in pre-production state - essentially they're going to remake the Comet Empire arc now!
machaiping While that is not entirely confirmed yet (it is practically confirmed) I imagine we'll get an announcement during one of the various events Yamato 2199 will be at in the next month, or by October or November like they did with Yamato 2199. Were we heard about it happening around July, but no official announcement until mid-Fall.
I think i'll wait for the main yamato 2199 stuff. I prefer the japanese voices anyway
Patrick Lenigan There is little chance of there being anything but Japanese voice at this time. The Star Blazers 2199 dubbing never got past the attempt to get to sold to a studio and the Subtitled version stopped coming out after Volume 4 was released a year ago. There has been absolutely nothing about more on that front in the last year. Only the Space Battleship Yamato 2199 material keeps coming, and the Japanese will make more.
Crap what a disaster for the Earth Fleet. I guess we never can count on our Martian allies...damn them!!!
I don't understand we see the Argo take so many hits and not blow up especially after the rainbow galaxy battle. Yet the so-called modern ships take one hit by the shock cannon and blow up. I understand the magnum flame gun , Even Captain slate flagship blew up rather easily. A little bit of inconsistency here was annoying
The ghosts of the dead who served on her before is the glue that keeps the Yamato (Argo) together in battle where a lesser ship will be destroyed. I know that is not anywhere in the story line but I convinced myself that that is the only reasonable explanation behind the spirit of the Yamato.
All I know is if I'm on a spaceship, I want the Argo's damage control team. They can fix anything with the most limited amount of materials in the most dire of any situations!
How did they fix the 3rd gun deck after it was blown up in the Rainbow Galaxy battle and later fell off the ship into the sea of acid on
Gamalon ?
@@fendergibs9098 I think it was rebuilt in a shoddy fashion which was why it fell off so easily. Getting the main hull right took priority.
スターブレイザーズは、ＳFアニメ宇宙戦艦ヤマトの北米版です！
This dialog is comedic. All I could think about while watching this was StarFox64 sector Y mission. How the cornaria fleet was getting wiped out by addrosses space army before starfox got called in to the front lines. Anyone remember that? fighting mechs too. haha! best mission
i renember reading that the third bridge is inverted and only serves to comand the ship from there in inverted operations or some special cases.. so usually there is nobody down there (also explains why writers blow it up so often..its useless)
This classic should have been on adult swim years ago
cant wait to see the movie
If this were a live movie(Come on-nn original producers!!!), I'd get character actor Lance Legualt of A-Team-fame to play Capt.Gidion(his voice as amazing the LeGualt looks just like Gidion!.
By the way...Any body get the in-joke about Capt.SLATE? Previous posters may have mentioned this already, but Slate is obviously a reference to the great old Flintstone cartoon. 'Slate' was Fred's boss...:p
to ALSILVERU2-> It was not Robert Stack's voice-over. I'd like to know this info, also.
I love this post!
Flawed battle plans... let's see, Carriers seperate from battleship cover. Definitely! Gideon was a dope too, split up his fleet as well.
I'm hearing at few Tranformers voice actors. Micheal Bell. Christopher Collins.
When Voyager Entertainment dubbed all the Start Blazers series for American viewing they butchered everything to make it more kid friendly. When I watched the original Japanese releases I realized how much was cut/changed in the English dubbed version to make it appropriate to television in the 80's. Names, ships, places and story were changed way too much. I now hate Voyager's version and instead go with the original Japanese releases. I hope they don't do the same thing to Yamato 2199. :(
I'm 35 and this was an awsome cartoon "Just 365 days left!" Was that voice Robert Stack of the show Unsolved Mysteries? lol Where can I get all the episodes? Anybody like the Battle of the Planets - G Force? Mark, Princes, Jason, Tiny, Kyop. Cartoons will never be the same.. 8/15/06 10:28 pm Dallas, Texas
the captain at the start sounds like he smokes a pack a day or somthing
I watched all 26 episodes of the Bolar Wars and believe you made the correct decision. It was recycled "Quest for Iscandar" straight from the dumpster :(
After forgetting about the "deadly cold" of Saturn's ice ring, the Comet Empire was a "Genital Bleep". His incompetence cost his troops their ships, lives and the battle. If he were Gamilon, Desslok would have shot him on the spot.
Argo has character shields wich all other ships not containing main characters (or the third bridge) lacks
They're on the run? Hope they don't run out of space-gas. Yes I'm looking at YOU Disney.
Gideon assigned them to Wildstar's surprise attack near Phoebe.
Plunging in to the fleet is what Admiral Halsey did to the Royal Japanese Fleet in WWII
JoeMac61299 Not exactly....
I don’t know which is more powerful, the CE’s shock cannons or ours. Although I think the CE’s are a little bit more deadlier😇
No disrespect, just discussion. Don't think Shock Cannons are tornadoes. For that you need air. Bleek incompetent definitely! Good thing so was his opponent : After criticizing the enemy for dividing his fleet (btw Does this remind anyone of Midway?) What does Gideon do? Sends poor Slate to his death. Good military tactics, concentrate your force against a single enemy point.
Fly to Earth yamato..wildstar
That is true. Did you have a problem with that in STAR WARS also?
I rather would have warped towards them (altho they wouldnt have the power to fire the wave motion guns after that) and take them on at close range than to get torn apart by the magna flame cannon
此れは、宇宙戦艦ヤマトパート２の英語版です！
harlockmbb 1.66K subscribers Where is Part 2 of the Starblazers Comet Empire - Saturn Battle?
RUclips blocked. Search Comet Empire Episode 21 on RUclips for the full battle.
@@PhantomHarlock78 I'll just search it up on some of my favorite cartoon websites such as: watchcartoononline.bz/
Because one wave motion gun just isn't enough!
IM come from the future (2022)
The General sounds alot like Christopher Latta AKA Starscream & Cobra Commander.
that one fucking powerfulgun one hit and your so fucking gone
Good old cardboard armor for the win. Th yamato could be hit 100 times but all the rest 1 shot and you rae done my friend...........
And better computers, they do the targeting and firing, actually
So Comet Empire 'Shock Cannon' is superior 'MAP' weapon? compared to Earth ones?
2:45 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@Monkeyhead1986 With a voice like that, I´d guess he never got over being flunked at the Looney Tunes audition.