2023 Honda Civic Type R - Brutally Honest 1-Year Ownership Review
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- The 2023 Honda Civic Type R isn't perfect, but by unplugging a few things and installing Integra Type S parts you, can get darn close.
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315 horsepower @ 6500 rpm, 310 lb-ft of torque from 2600 to 4000 rpm
6-Speed Manual Transmission
Curb weight: 3188 lbs
MPG: 22 City / 28 Highway
MSRP: $44,390
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0:00 Intro
0:38 Current state of car
3:30 Complaints
4:32 How to fix carplay/infotainment problems
6:35 Continued Thoughts
8:43 Favorite Mods
12:38 Driving Impressions
15:13 Fun Factor & Value
17:57 Final Thoughts
21:51 vs. Integra Type S
23:49 Rock guards
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Only thing I hate about the Type R is that I can’t afford it lol.
Keep grinding brother, you will get there. I thought i would never be able to afford a Supra. I got one and paid it off in 2 years.
@touayaaj84
What year did you get?
@@touayaaj84
Hey thanks for being positive, dude. We need more of that these days :)
@@defaultlogos2976 2021. I bought it brand new in 2021
The old Type R is good too !
Love my FL5. I picked one up December of 2022 and put 26,500 miles on it within the year. Someone ran a light, totaled it, and I replaced it with another FL5.
I pray that doesn’t happen with mine. Purchased mine in December of 2023 and my grandmother helped me. She recently passed away and if I lost it to someone not paying attention I’m never gonna be the same😭
@@GelDoesDrive rip granny! she a real one for that, enjoy bro!
Love my FL5. Owned it for 6 months. Was literally saying yesterday to my daughter I love everything about this car except for the Apple CarPlat. Have just gone out to the garage and disabled the maps. Fingers crossed Topher you may have changed things big time for me.
@@8titanium8 I just did that same map thing and it immediately became so much smoother and less laggy
26k miles within a year is crazy. I have a ‘21 G80 M3 and it only has 15.2 k miles on the ODO
HUGE miss by Honda, not making enough of these for everyone who wants one. It's the perfect car for enthusiasts starting families, who need practicality in their track toy. But dealers have made sure that it's priced for people with Porsche money, and so out of reach for the type of person it was built for. I have nothing but F U's to give to Honda for allowing it to come to this.
You took the words right out of my mouth! Yes! The dealership has screwed us all over. The markups are foul. 🤬
Another miss by honda -- offer up a rally inspired version of this car. AWD, same engine and tranny. There is a pretty sizeable market share for a car like that.
Nice Type R!
$50,000 is a lot of money and I know costs have gone up but wow! Would love to drive one. Back in the day I paid 10,500 for my 1990 CRX Si and it was made in Japan! It’s still awesome and makes me feel a certain way when driving it.
Is Type R made in Japan too? For that price, I would hope so.
Honestly i didn't have any issue finding mine most dealers have one just depends on when honda does production
@claytonhart7653 it's easy finding one, hard to find one under 50k though.
Congrats on baby number 2 Topher!!
Topher be laying straight pipes n shit non-stop man...good for him!
LOL @@awnis001
@@awnis001you're cray-cray. Hahaha
This is the comment
*Purchased December 2022
lol
We all get it. Sometimes telling time is hard lol. Happens to me a lot
So they did purchased in December!
@@porfiriato84 Covid made the timeline in the past 5 years even weirder.
@@noob.168 oh definitely. I say the same thing too. Everything just seems murkier bc of those crazy times we went through.
I can’t believe it’s been a year! Thanks for always taking us on the drive. And congrats on boy number 2!
It's been a joy watching your channel evolve over the better part of the last decade. Congrats on numero dos!!
Kinda bummed I hadn’t found your channel sooner. What a great, straightforward honest review
Im a guy who’s owned a variety of cars over the years but my FL5 is my first Honda. Brutally honest 1-month review - I am lovin’ it! Since I live in a warmer climate, some of the Topher’s complaints don’t apply for me. But I’m looking forward to playing follow-the-leader as he mods and refines his car. Thanks Mr. T!
Wish there's a winter-ready equivalent of the FL5, that's not a WRX VB
Naw right I live in az and my only complaint is the rubber between the hood n the windshield is coming loose
Been with this car since day one! Been such a cool journey to watch you drive 🎉
Thanks for that tip about the infotainment system. I disabled the navigation and its running so much better on my '23 Sport Touring.
on god we love the topher, proud of you, love all the vids congrats on the baby boy man
Thanks for the update. Unrelated, I'd love to see you do more in the future with ol Tedward. Love videos where Topher meets Tedward.
You're not kidding about the rough roads. I'm leaning so hard to pick up an FL5 at local dealership. Thanks for the update.
Really great review. You did a good job mentioning likes and dislikes without being biased. Your criticisms made alot of sense and you were able to make the points without being overly critical.
i recently got my FL5 in november and got a flat a few days ago...its currently at the dealership getting the tire changed and it's first maintenance done on it. I havent been this happy daily driving the FL5 since i had to get rid of my FK8 because of work issues and i honestly love the FL5 and love driving it ... its insane how much i actually enjoy just driving even for daily stuff, and i do agree with some of the annoying things, but if you find a way past it...its just amazing.
Been watching for a while! Have appreciated hearing your thoughts on the FL5 and FK8. A buddy of mine just picked up a Boost Blue FL5 and I got to ride with him the other day on a majestic curvy road…thing is an absolute beast! Of course blows my EK9 out of the water but both are such awesome cars! If you’re ever in western NC let me know! ✌🏻
I'll be keeping my FK8 for a long time. owning a Type-R has been such a treat.
congrats! :) don't worry, we will wait when your ready
This video spoke to me. Can’t wait to do these on the FL5 thanks a lot!
Great reviews as always man, you're videos helped me make the decision on my fe1
Si's are the unspoken gems of this car gen thatre budget friendly
That tip about the Navigation is clutch! Thanks!
Got DE5 a couple of weeks ago, as s2k and previous fk8 owner, I’m happy with my car
As someone who's looking to buy one of these, this was helpful, thanks for your honest thoughts!
Great video! Congratulations with finally owning your dream car! And congratulations with a baby boy!
Props to you bro, any techy person knows to go in the backend like you did and disable or enable shit to make computers run smoothly, I do this even with the newest iPhone’s
Good insights. Congrats on baby boy!🎉
So……you just won my subscription bc I hv a 2024 st civic and I’ve been having the same issues you’ve been having. This video has helped me ALOT
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@@A-Ylover0FtheLordJesus that is very cryptic, random and scary. I believe tho but that was outta pocket Ngl.
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How's the driving experience? I probably can't afford one but I'm curious
Your enthusiasm for the CTR really made me appreciate my Type S. There's only 1 car I consider an upgrade and it's a CT5 V Blackwing. You're right about driving in the winter. These aren't that fun in snow
Loving my FL5.
I would recommend Acuity linkage bushings and Hybrid detent springs - that'll put your shifter right where you want it.
Lol.
Shouldn't have to be doing all that on a 2023 Honda.
@@yukonstriker1703 "All that?"
I'm guessing you've never modified a car or understand OEM cost and design constraints?
"LOL"
@@axledog7297 Hmmm...
My former car was a 2008 CSRT-4.
Modded from stock 285hp to 400hp.
Full bolt ons and a tune.
Best 1/4 mile run was 13.362 @ 112.8mph.
I have no idea though... 😂😂
Ironically, now own a fully stock 2006 Civic Si FG2 Coupe.
Cheers,
What's the total cost for those?
@@yukonstriker1703why the decision to stick with stock now?
Thanks for the review I was planning on buying one of these in 15 years.
I love the family-man commentary, especially about how the car seats fit 👍
Congrats on the upcoming baby.
There is a Boost Blue FL5 available at MSRP like 20 miles from me and I am ALMOST in the position to pull the trigger on that.
Nice, been waiting for a new FL5 vid. :)
Purchased mine 2023 in may here we are June 2024 and 22,300 miles never a dull moment I love it
Will disabling OE Navigation remove the Speed Limit display on the instrument cluster?
No, that’s all from the camera system for LKAS.
it does not
Love my FL5. Picked one up two weeks ago. It's everything my 2005 RSX-S wished it was back in the day. It's a riot to drive and I haven't even taken it above 5000 rpm yet. I can't imagine tuning it for more power, totally not needed. The way it handles is insane as well, the second the differential kicks in powering through a corner it's like the car locks on to train tracks.
As a fellow RSX owner. I would love to upgrade to either the CTR or ITS.
A k20 turbo is the way to go.
Unfortunately for me, both are out of my price range. So I would have to settle for the SI or Integra Aspec and lose the k20 spirit. Lol. I am struggling with deciding to get one of them and sell my RSX.
Finally, a solution to the melting Waze screen! Thank you!
I'm buying a Type R very soon. Really appreciate your video!
Thanks for the tip on disabling nav. System is much smoother now.
I just bought a 2019 civic type r a couple weeks ago after years of watching videos of it. It lives up to the hype! These are special cars.
Chris , Congratulations on the expanding family. 🥳🥳🥳🥳 Are you already looking for a Grand Highlander XLE Hybrid on sensible 18" rims? 😉Getting back to the Type R, I wish it was shaped like a traditional hatchback rather than a lift back. For a car of this size, a squarer roof line would help accommodate taller adults.
I just bought one last week and I love it. CW 2024 Type R off the showroom floor
Are you the guy who also has a GR corrolla who drives a lot?
Did you pay sticker?
@@fredyg91he 100% got ripped off just so he could own it lol
@@dcyxc2004 yes that's me
@@fredyg91 yes
Good review with valuable insights. Thanks for sharing!
I agree, Honda Civics have some really magic into that, and you see that even in the base editions, they drive much more differently compared to many cars, as you progress from the base, sport, si, type r, you see that magic amplified. One day Il probably get a type r to really express the honda tribute.
Same as Golf GTi etc, cheap, lil faster as mums version.
Congrats on the baby
Love your ride! Big fan of FL5 and FK8.
Love mine. I had it for less than a year and have 18k miles on the clock. Absolutely no reliability issues including the infotainment system. It has never locked up. I have the ITS damper module mod as well,but I don’t find the difference as dramatic as others although I’m still glad I did it. I’ve made two suspension mods being Cusco rear sway bar and strut bar. I am also going to keep the ECU stock. The FL5 is just a joy to own and drive.
Awesome to hear! How’s the Cusco rear sway bar?
@@TheTopher I really haven’t had a chance to to hit the twistys in any real way but it’s seems to make a noticeable difference in its flat cornering when launching into an entrance ramp. The Cusco sway bar is very beefy and seems extremely solidly built. They advertise a 138 to 143% added stiffness to the OEM stock bar.
Is there any rev Hanh going from gear 1 to 2 on tge FL5 while on stock tune?
Love your videos. I also did the front resonator delete, type s ads module, and falken azenis on my type r. My only gripes with this car are the interior rattles and squeaks
I love my FL5 too, best car I ever own so far. Picked it up May 2023 and put 18k miles within the past 10 months.
This review is helping me decide if I want to go this direction coming from Audi/VW products. So far I’m feeling good about making the switch based on what you said.
Regarding "asset adjustment", I'd say nope. I've found 3 in my state within 250 miles and all 3 still have a $8k-$10k markup, with dealers refusing to negotiate. Bummer.
Thats just sad. I believe its the same shit in ny. Every dealer is shit in ny.
@@THroneXIINew England has some for MSRP (Championship White) and some others with 2-3k over. I just bought one in New Hampshire last weekend for MSRP.
Same in canada. Dealers say allocations are sold for 2024-2025 but will have 2 in the lot with 20k markups. Honda’s losing customers because of scammy dealers.
2026-2027 is the last time they'd ever make ICE TypeRs.
The markups when those final models are veing rolled our of factory will even be insaner.
Better snap yours up now
@@98mahinCanada is the worst. Particularly in Ontario. The dealerships brag that they won't get you a FL5 till 2026 and they want a 5K deposit down.
Aren't they all lunatic ?
You might be able to add a heated steering wheel. I have the dealer installed one on my Type S and it's great. It might fit on the Type R, worth looking into. Also, I hope you keep your son intact.
Love mine. Drove it on a 300 mile road trip to South jersey an back. Got about 34mpg.
I'm on 18" Enkei with continental dws 06 plus. I need to do the type S mods next
Glad to hear that the markups for these cars have lessened in some places. Unfortunately, they are still very much an issue where I'm from, with the Type R going for over $60k and the Integra Type S nearing $80K. If they ever come back down to earth I would love to get my hands on one.
You're from Mauritius?
you made my day bro!
Topher has really changed my perspective on cars and I’m eager to learn A LOT from him. Maybe meeting him one day ❤😅
Never had anything Honda till I bought a 2016 civic lx 5 months ago and I love it, I’m wanting to get another civic and I’m thinking about getting the type r this time
Yo love your content i love seeing how its like to be in such amazing cars and love to see a fellow MICHIGANDER doing it too.
PETITION TO NAME THE BABY BOY TOPHER!!! 🎉
OR CHRIS
Topher sounds horrible
Topher Jr/ TJ
@@garrettcasper338 oh my god. literally going to be the coolest kid in school
Tophy McTophface
Sold my S2K as I needed more practical car , got the Fl5 done 8K … very practical and very fun to drive … I don’t have three carplay issue as it’s very smooth with me … The one we get in our country has factory spare tyre and also alcentara steering wheel …
I love you bro, you make some killer content ❤
Watching this in my FL5, right after disabling Honda navigation 🤣 thanks for the tip
Been waiting for this, awesome timing 😊
Love the honest review! Congratulations on the new baby coming a long. Im in the same boat actually which leads me towards why i went with the Elantra N or i30 sedan N as we call it here in Australia.
No doubt honda have brought back some of their 90s magic but after test driving both and having owned a fk8 I actually bought a I30N sedan over this for 20k AUD less and couldnt be happier. Its so much more comfortable and just as capable on track. If you're a Honda fan i get it but for everyone else objectively the N is a better deal, especially here in Australia where we get more if a luxury N trim than the states. The moment you start turning off stock features (like something as significant as suspension) from a car thats already overpriced to begin with to make it more livable, that's when you should've probably looked elsewhere.
😂
Type R is way better
Thanks for that infotainment tip, that should hopefully solve the same gripe I have with my FL5. I’m considering doing a middle resonator delete instead of the smaller one for a bit more noise, combined with the valve mod I got from your earlier video.
Regarding your carplay issue, Honda provided an OTA update last December for my 2022 civic which completely resolved all of the carplay issues. No more freezing, screen issues, lagging, everything is solved. Check for updates. It may come to the Type R later.
Great review! Thank you!
I owned an FK8 and now the DE5 Type S. I love the platform but I do miss the Type R seats!
Congrats on the baby man.. I honestly liked the bigger wing but I'm also someone with a wrx so who knows lol
This was one of the cars i was considering for a fun family hauler well the fk8 at the time. I looked into fk8, ISF, and ‘16 SS. ISF only had 4 seats so that was out, type r had 6MT and seats 5 but overall just maybe a bit too small for the car seat we were using and the stroller we had. The SS checked pretty much checked all the boxes 6mt, ls3, 4 doors, seats 5, and huge trunk. I wouldve loved to check out a m340i or GSF but none in my area in my price range. Type r definitely looks like a fun car around corners, and would love to drive one someday. Congrats on the addition to your family.
Thats an awesome car, sometimes I wish cars were accessible here in Brazil, the Type R barely came here by independent imports and the old ones are also hard to find and the price asked is above a common house price.. I'm barely able to keep my old 2000 civic that I bought with 200k km but its going strong. Honda makes great cars.
Interesting fix for the CarPlay! I have a ITS and my car does not come with factory navigation like yours does. I have very minimal CarPlay drops and it seems to happen in certain areas (like near the airport) maybe due to signal interference or something.
After I get the family mini van. Will be working for my dream car 😌🥹 I can’t wait !❤
Thank you for the advice for the infotainment system much much better
Did you find that it also prevents android auto navigation from working? When I do this I can search and set a destination in android auto, but I cannot actually start the trip.
Nice I have a ‘22 Si and it’s been great. I’ve never had infotainment issues but that makes sense because the Si doesn’t have navigation
Ya dig
Super jealous of FL5 owners, but I have it's baby brother, the '22 Si, and in my favorite color, Orange! I've been thinking of grabbing a Hondata tune just to wake it up a little more. BUT the gas mileage in my Si is fantastic. I regularly get 40mpg on the highway in the summer. The highest I got was 45mpg on a Cleveland to Columbus drive, and that was doing 80 most of the way with a couple bursts of 90 here and there. Absolutely love this gen civic, they look fantastic.
You’re one lucky lad for having this car
Got it late 2022 , so far best daily and even camping in it without a hustle 👏🏼
Thanks man. I should’ve just watched before reading all the comments lol
Thank you for your reviews. I really enjoy them. I traded in a Si this week for new SGP Type-R for MSRP. Si is great and did everything I needed for the street, but decided to not pass up the opportunity to own the Type-R. It just feels “special”.
I might do the ITS damper module swamp that I learned from you. Suspension is a little stiff for an old (55) guy like me. 😊
Congrats!! I’d highly recommend the ITS damper module 👍
white & black on the outside with red interior looks great
Looking to buy one soon! Nice Omega btw
Acuity sells upgraded shifter cable bushings and shifter base bushings. Those two will make the shifter feel a bit more sharp and the shifter won't flex as much when hard shifting. You can also try upgraded detent springs in the transmission for a heavier feel going in and out of gears. I have all 3 with the stock shifter in my 9th gen Accord and it feels great.
Love this car
Better interior than I expected
Great video! If I’m not mistaken many of the 10th and 11th gen Honda Civics infotainment uses a stripped down version of Google’s Android system as the base software and then overlay it with Honda specific vehicle software.
The hardware used on the infotainment comes with insufficient RAM in comparison to what the system actually needs to function at full capacity. That probably attributes to the problem as well. Glad you were able to find a solution!
>many of the 10th and 11th gen Honda Civics infotainment uses a stripped down version of Google’s Android system as the base software and then overlay it with Honda specific vehicle software
They definitely do, the app management screen he went to is 100% android. Kinda cool they still let you access some of the underlying os for stuff like this.
Who approved such a technologically deficient decision ?
@@1anre it’s all about money. doesn’t matter who approved it as long as the profit margins make sense. Most consumers overlook this particular fault because you can plug in your phone and do wired apple carplay and android auto, so to some it’s not a dealbreaker.
Honda has never prioritized tech, up until this new generation. There seems to be a shift, if you take a look at the new Accord hybrid, the new infotainment system is worlds ahead of their previous iterations because they are using Google’s android automotive, that include over the air updates. I imagine that’s the direction Honda will be headed with their in car tech.
@@1anrei wouldnt call an android infotainment system ‘technologically deficient’ by any means. As outlined in the video, its clear theres some performance issues in this implementation, but android is an incredible platform for integrated systems. kiosks, cash registers, infotainment, student laptops, tvs, and even some high end home appliances use it. android is entirely open source as well, so a capable software team can really make it work for the car, rather than just with it. additionally, its convenient because system updates can be performed remotely, rather than needing to take the car to a dealership to receive updated firmware. im sure that with slighly more system memory, the infotainment in this car would be very smooth and easy system to use.
@dophelsinette you read where I said the stripped down varirnat used in the civic right?
That's a nice speedmaster ! Great watch!
I don’t have a type R but I do have an 2024 SI with about 1000 miles on it after 2 months and the car is amazing ! Can’t wait to modify it in the future
K tuner my man
Love that you love this! Never got to drive this or the previous gen, but always wanted to. I used to sell Honda’s back when the S2000 came out and I loved driving that so much. BTW Found out how shitty the car dealer industry is so I quit, but being able to drive the S2000 and the Si once in a while made it more palatable. Anyway, You think about getting an Alcantara steering wheel and shifter? All you need to do is clean it once every few months when it gets a little greasy and it’s so much better than leather and metal.
As someone that’s owned an 2023 civic si for a year and a month… I still enjoy driving it every day. 12k miles on here!
I still drive the FK6. Excellent car so far. Honda is pretty great.
Veloster N was a fun car.. wish I still had mine sometimes. For the price they are amazing
I have loved my FL5. Had it 15 months and only have 4100 miles on it, but it's my "pretty weather" fun car. This fall I'll be taking it to Tail of The Dragon and see what it can do. Keeping it full stock and with my build number being 720, I'm hoping the investment will pay off down the road.
Thank you for the tip! I disabled the in car navigation
Did you find that it also prevents android auto navigation from working? When I do this I can search and set a destination in android auto, but I cannot actually start the trip.
@@clustrone just seeing your question. I’m using iPhone so i’m not sure. Everything seems normal so far.
14:30 i have a honda accord tourer 7 and the "premium sound system" already sounded very nice
Went to local dealer to get my car serviced other day and I saw 4 type rs sitting in the show room they didn’t even have the prices on any of them…didn’t even bother to ask how much they were marked up haha figured if they had more then 2 that gave me a good idea they couldn’t move any of them
I live in a small town in northern CA and there’s one here at my local Honda that’s been sitting for about a month… Makes me wonder what markup they have on it 😂
Dealers around me are marking up 15k. People just need to put their foot down and tell them know. Hurts them to keep sitting on those cars. Only reason they have the markups is so people don’t ask for more discounts.
dealers funny as hell thinking this glorified civic is worth more than msrp😂
I would recommend the Prl rear motor mount. I have it on my integra type s and It makes a noticeable difference and NVH is pretty minimal after a couple weeks of breaking it in.
Always wanted a CTR back then it was a CTR ek hatch with b16b.but now the fl5 I want one
I've got an fc2 and I love it, the sound system has gotta be one of the best I've heard in all the cars I've driven, it even beats the custom jbl system I did in my old chevy. I'm really enjoying the vtec I've been thinking about doing a cold air intake and a turbo but I'm not sure cause I've only had the car a month now. I've also been thinking maybe I'll find like a type r 6 speed at a scrapyard cause the cvt it quite annoying. Civic gang
why not just get the 1.5t model then slap a tune