Old Computers Won't Work on Windows 11 24H2
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Old Computers Won't Work on Windows 11 24H2
if you got a really old PC from before 2010, then you wont be able to use Windows 11 24H2 when its released in the fall, Windows 11 24H2 won't boot on unsupported hardware. It requires a CPU with SSE4a (AMD Barcelona or newer) or SSE4.2 (Intel Nehalem or newer). So even later Core 2 CPUs (Penryn) won't work because they max out at SSE4.1. Its all to do with the population count instruction (POPCNT) for short. thanks to TheBobPony @ / 1756771051634135277
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#windows11 #windows10 #tech
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Am i the only one that was very relieved when i found out i can not upgrade to Windows 11?
When I built a new computer that could use Windows 11, I immediately put Linux on it so it would never get stealth "updated."
I am with you. Still won't switch.
i am thinking of downgrading to win10
Been running Win11 for a year now. Runs like a champ on every computer in the house, even an older i5 4 core Dell computer with 16gb of DDR3 ram.
I explicitly disabled the TPM support in the bios so that my windows 10 (only used for games) decided that it cannot upgrade to W11.
It's absolutely ridiculous how many computers are going to end up in the landfill because of this. Most people don't want to use an alternative operating system. And windows is trying to force everyone on to Windows 11 using newer machines.
Of course they are! Micro$haft (Microsoft) wants to make as much money as possible by raising the demand for brand-new computers! You see, Micro$haft makes money every time a new PC that comes preinstalled with Windows 11 is built. That's because the PC manufacturers such as Dell, HP, and Lenovo will purchase Windows 11 OEM licenses whenever they build new PCs.
😄 RESIST!
they doing it on purpose.. i remember when they killed windows ME with the directX 9.0c patch... until that patch i had ZERO errors with ME... only this time when they force the OS update, they forcing a machine update too.... forced sales is supposed to be illegal... but then look at Obama-care and the forced sales there....
It's not just Microsoft, it's the PC manufacturers as well. Earlier this Month I got a message from HP that for my Z440 workstation, repair or replacement parts were no longer available as of January 31, 2024. All these Microsoft shenanigans are benefitting the computer companies with planned obsolescence.
@@Robert-sl7joDEFEAT this planned obsolescence by switching to Linux.
Just FYI - any Linux distribution will happily run on old hardware. Plus, it's free.
@@Xiado Of course, you never had to learn Windows, it is well known that everybody knows how to use it at birth.
Yes, but will it run Crysis?
@@Xiado Maybe back in the day.
Yeah, but will MSFS run there as well ?
@@zolaarczakle Sorry Linux is at best a 3/4 gui environment most people do not want to ever and I mean EVER be at a Bash Shell or worse.
I'm running WinXP, Vista Ultimate, Win7 and Win10 on old, perfectly working laptops and desktops. Why would I discard them if they're doing what I need and want them to do?
Security if they are connecting to the internet. If they aren't, have at it!
Not every PC needs to be secure. I have Windows 7 and XP computers for playing old games and using old dev tools. I don't use them to store data that would be useful to a cybercriminal.
@@leonidas14775 if they aren't on a secure vlan or separate network and connecting to the internet they could still be a gateway to the rest of your network. So long as the end user is aware of the risks it's not the end of the world.
@@nadtz That's not the main problem until browser start to end their support as well with soon will make those PC can't open most website anymore.
@@leonidas14775 Exactly.
When Windows 11 first came out, the unsupported hardware list included CPU's that were only 5 years old, that was a piss take. This is for stuff that's 15+ years old, so this is understandable. But as you say this could be the start of a slippery slope.
Could be a testing ground for other CPUs
Windows 10 (2015) only support cpu from 2000 (SSE2), 15 years on the dot, what slippery slope?
@@somsokca7836if it ain't broke, don't "fix" it. Some people still have 15-year-old PCs going strong. They don't game, they only do Facebook, email, and shop Amazon.
NO this is not acceptable at all this is like your garage telling you ' sorry sir you car is 15 years old we can no longuer repair it and you no longuer allowed to drive it' this is ridiculous and is calld programed obsolesence wich is i belive against the law, at least here in Europe.
Honestly who cares if they're 15+ years old if they still meet some people's needs? Since 11 runs absolutely fine even on 2nd gen Intel CPUs it's clear the computers are still capable of running it but Microsoft just wants to make you buy a new computer because why not. Also,there are still modern Pentium processors that can only compete with a 13 year old i7 and still loose to it in some tasks so in that case,a 3rd and 4th gen high end CPU will still smash the budget CPU lineup for the upcoming years
I will never downgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Once Win 10 is no longer supported, I'll be permanently done with Microsoft.
Me to 🎉
Aw yes, I had that mindset when I had to upgrade from W7 to W10. Linux Mint was great, but couldn't run software that W10 ran, so W10 became my main after I grew tired of being rebellious. As much as we hate Windows, it just does everything that Linux does for the casual user, or even better.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 I've been here before, too. The difference is that this time I wiped my plate clean from everything that is MS associated. When Win 10 is no longer supported, I have no reason to stay with MS. I already traded my PC laptops for Chromebooks (best decision ever), and my primary system will get updated to Linux.
Joining all those in Canada because X is President…
I have made the switch at the end of support for Win7. Best decision ever.
I don't think it has anything to do with nostalgia. I think it has to do with the fact that if it works for what one needs so be it. I still miss Windows 7 as do many but M$ made sure we would eventually all need 10. My mom is 87 years old and still runs an online business using a simple AMD system I built for her in 2013. It does everything she needs. I can guarantee that new tech will confuse her to no end and that especially includes having to learn a newer version of Windows. When she had to move from 7 to 10 it took her a long time before she felt comfortable. I have tried to work with her on 11 and frustration is basically what she feels. YMMV
Yes a 17 year old pc will work, but you are very limited to what you can do with it
2013 PC will boot no issues.
If your mum was running 2005 PC she is stuffed.....
There are themes for Linux that look pretty similar to Windows 10 and 7, you could try that
I have a 1999 Packard Bell in my garage. If you run that it's like Max Headroom and Samantha Fox come alive for a duet. @@robertlee6338
I agree, windows 7 was great!
every company who pushes hard against e-waste comes up with the best methods to create even more, overflowing i guess
I've tried several distros of Linux and I like Mint Cinnamon the best as it's the closest to Windows that I've tried. Most people will catch on to the basics in no time.
🙂 yes i like it too, they made it really noob friendly when u first install it and u simply go down their checklist of things to do to get u started, plus it forces u to learn alittle bit more of whats getting installed instead of it being done automatically, its strange Windows doesn't copy some of their ideas, most of the other distros dont do it either, very strange
I too love Mint. Been on it for about 4/5 years and happy not to change. I'm not an expert on computers but I know at least enough to put my own os on and kind of follow instructions for copy and paste. My first experince with Linux a few years before that, was ubuntu, not exactly user friendly for a windows user. It looked more like a mac layout seen in pictures. I've never used a mac, so was completely lost. Tried Pop OS, liked it, but things have a tendancy to break with me, so ja I crashed it, Lol. Linux Mint on the other hand you can just about chuck anything at it and in most cases, time shift will fix minor issues. And it just keeps chugging along. and i've done some things to it over time.
🙂good to hear, yeah im really good at breaking linux too, i always install linux on a separate drive and windows on a separate drive cause im always breaking linux 😄@@dappermuis5002
They won't because Microsoft want total control of your computer and what you do
@@petersullivan8955 But just because Microsoft wants it, doesn't mean we have to give it to them. Mint proves there are alternatives.
This is them trying to end legacy support
They will succeed
Windows 10 (2015) only support cpu from 2000 (SSE2), also 15 years gap, is that also they trying to end legacy support?
And, yet, Apple has been doing this sort of thing since the 1980's, when Macs were still a new thing, and you don't hear Mac users screaming anywhere near as loudly as Windows users do, when their Mac gets get dropped from support.
@@gamewizard1760 a. There’s fewer of them in total, b. Apple is infamous for its smug users, c. The userbase has been groomed.
But if you’re claiming no (ex-)Mac users are screaming… then you’re completely off.
Which is partly why there are a number of alternative OSes for those older systems.
It's more then just ending legacy support. It's about control. Microsoft does not want you to use 3rd party software. Also ever notice that since xp you can't see or control what is running in the background? That is to spy on you and slow down your computer to have you replace it sooner. Happens with cell phones. All about control and money. They want all software to be subscribed where you pay every year. Never own it.
This stuff would make a lot more sense if Windows 11 did anything user facing that visibly requires any more oompf than Windows 10. What are they doing that requires more modern CPUs, is is just spyware related?
🙂 sure, i think it's like 25% of the resources is for tracking and telemetry and running studies, its kinda creepy
To a large degree its because of Microsoft's incompetence over the decades in making their operating system secure. They kept adding on more and more stuff but never dropped back and started from scratch, basing it from the ground up on being secure. Heck, there's still old DOS 6.0 code in Windows even today. Jeez.
So instead of paying a bunch of cheap Indian programmers to "fix" Windows, they'd rather rely on the "crutch" of using a hardware fix for security. They don't CARE that it will cost you money instead of costing THEM money.
most likely just spyware related. they talked about using frame generation to make windows "lighter" and less demanding of computer resources, but they never talk about removing bloat and spyware. instead they just keep adding more. i remember back in the day where win2000, winXP and win7 where significantly lighter on your computer. now its different.
also they have been adding targeted adds and "news"(actually just distractions and propaganda) everywhere. i have a family member with win11 and there are adds and "news" everywhere. the average linux distro doesnt have that much bloat on it and you can optimize it for privacy and security. also less viruses too!
SSE2+ AVX and other extensions are used by lots of things aside of the OS. I could understand if these were newer CPU's but this is Nehalem which honestly is ancient now a days.
@@nadtzNehalem is supported because it has SSE 4.2 which contains POPCNT. What the hell does POPCNT actually do is not really known, but it probably has something to do with incrypting and decryption. So, security in general.
No way I'm replacing parts or whole computers for an O.S. that is too much of a cost hit for me. So when Windows 11 came out; I switched all the basic computers in the house out for Zorin O.S. and this is simply because for my household, the Windows feel is there and that is all that is needed, same icons launch the same programs, with few issues.
How old is your computer?
@@Britec09 well I have 4 desktops that are 6 years old and 3 laptops that are 4 years old and all run Zorin with no hick-ups in the last year.
@@GrdDog this is about sse4.2 being required, the only people this actually effects are those using pentium 4 and core 2 duo cpus
@@IgorMgtowandVideoGames no telling what Microsoft is going to change next; so it is easier to get my house onboard using a Linux Distro, I think will make it easier in the future.
Saw some screen shots of Zorin, looks good, however what about drivers.
Will add that Linux Mint has been very good to us, both with new Ryzen builds and on older systems.
Allthough My computer supports windows 11 I will get a new storage chip and install linux mint. I will not conform.
Same here. Very Windows-user friendly. Sure it's different but I found it easy to adapt to it.
Arch and Debian here. Loving it. I am trying others distros in VM, just in case. Haven't missed windoze one bit though
same here. i got linux and win10 on one PC. and im never using win11! once support for win10 ends ill just use linux.
interesting how i can dual boot easy when the first boot drive i select is linux. it pretty much allows me to go into either linux or win10. but when i select win10 as first boot drive, it doesnt give me options to go into linux.
Deny MS Windows 10 Internet access, then do a de-clutter. The new speed and responsiveness will shock you and the lack of Internet access means the de-clutter will last. As I never use MS Windows 10 for network stuff, it just makes me smile when 10 bitches about "Can't add new features!" whilst I play games that Linux can't handle. Grub is my good friend, grin.@@scamdem1c
I'm running Linux Mint instead of Windows 11 on my everyday laptop. One thing I'll never have to worry about is if the next version won't install on my machine.
I'm tempted to switch too. But I love the easiness of Windows and the wide software support
@@grilsegrils9330just dual boot I think. You will have both
@@grilsegrils9330 Sadly they have walked away being easy. Everything I want to do in W11 takes at least 2 or 3 more steps then before. Also not all software runs on W11, I have many costumers that want to upgrade their new PC's from W11 to W10 because of their older software not running anymore.
@@grilsegrils9330 same. I'd love to switch to Linux, but knowing me with my busy life, I don't have the time to learn it, and most software I use daily is Windows exclusive. not using the wine on linux cause it doesn't work with all windows apps and there's many compatibility issues with it.
@@grilsegrils9330 That's a fair comment. A lot of the most professional subscription based software (e.g. Excel) does not run natively on Linux.
I never even tried win11 even with supported hardware, didn't see any reason to update when win10 runs fine and I only hear of issues with win11.
There's little to no issues for most. It's the same story over and over with the latest version. It's the same people that said they'd never upgrade to 10, now 10 is some god tier OS to them.
11 has been out for years. It's "fine" It's Windows, you know what to expect.
Time for linux!
Agreed. Already considering.
@@Pizza1725 - You can't go wrong. Linux Mint is a great start coming over from Windows.
For linux I like RebornOS (basically Arch with a GUI). Lets me install only the things I want. No more bloat. Have it running on several machines, but the oldest is an i7-4790 + R9 380. Plays games via Proton, too, since the 380 is compatible with Vulkan.
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Exactly so why use Windows at all? Why bother? The way Windows 11 is I think more people will be leaving Windows and going over to Linux. It seems the only option. Unless you want to put up with all of the problems Windows 11 has.
Just checked the CPU in my old Dell XPS 8300 I7 2600 Desktop, bought in a thrift store. Happy to find it's still going to be supported.🙂
If Win 11 was better than 10, I would use it. ALL the changes in Win 11 are unnecessary and unhelpful.
starting with mandatory internet access. Talk about a security breach waiting to happen.
Install Linux Mint Cinnamon and enable a Windows 10 theme. You'll barely notice the difference except it's faster & it's free.
Even in the Linux world a lot of Distros stopped supporting older x86 hardware, you can still get Linux working on old hardware, DSL (Darn small linux) just released an update after a long time, I think it is based on AntiX with support for older computers and I think it still fits on a CD even for older computers. There reaches a point with older hardware, where it becomes a pain to do anything online , I was playing around with an old netbook the other day I found in a closet, with only a gig of ram and that thing choked on most modern webpages. The only reason it could even get online at all is because it had Linux on it.
I wouldn't use netbooks as a good example as those things were terrible, even for when they released. Personally, I think the oldest you can go back and have a relatively decent experience for web browsing is the Core2 era of processors. I've used a Core2Quad Q9550 with just basic windows 10 on it and you can do almost anything that you'd want to do on it. It's even better with Linux installed. Core2 Duos stretch it a bit, but higher end ones such as the E8500 work well enough.
Most older people do not like moving forward to new technology because at some point adapting to new stuff becomes more of a challenge to learn. When I was young, new tech was an exciting adventure, and I was eager to learn new ways of doing things that would make life "easier" or more "productive". However, as technology evolved and legacy data became more important requiring major backward compatibility to allow continued use of well-known systems, things felt like a great deal of upheaval and trouble to move with the times. I still am not too fond of the ribbon interface in Microsoft Office and find the older toolbars and menu system far more intuitive.
It would also be nice to be able to play well-loved games which ran on older platforms on newer hardware for a little retro relaxation. Obsolescence is a curse that comes with progress, and learning new technology becomes more of a chore than an exciting adventure. Computing used to be fun, but with complexity and progress it is now as dull as learning arithmetic was when we were at school.
Still, progress goes on and ultimately we have to learn to move with it.
Well said
Moving forward? At this stage we're moving way backwards.
I will be 69 in April, I can accept new technology, it helps to have an open mind set.
The ribbon rubbish is one reason why I am still using MS Office 2003. I would like to move to Libre Office but the database is so - - - - - - - s l o w.
I think it's less about progress and complexity, and more about not wanting to forget or relearn things you have already learned.
Someone new to computers isn't going to have a harder time with Linux than Windows. It's the 10+ year Windows veteran with skills and expectations due to thousands of hours of using Windows that will have a hard time with Linux.
The first time you have to learn anyway, and that can be fun. But you don't want to have to unlearn and relearn again after having gone through the effort once already.
I do find Britec09's videos informative, so keep up the great work.
Another great alternative to consider is Vanilla OS. It's a user-friendly, immutable OS. ExplainingComputers has a video about it on his RUclips Channel.
Thanks for sharing!
Is there such a thing as Chocolate OS or Strawberry OS yet? 😃
There is Peppermint OS..... @@MrSamadolfo
@MrSamadolfo not yet but who is stopping younfrom creating them? lol
could be a cinnamonOS, using the cinnamon DE.
Guess I will just stay with W10 on this Gen 8 i7 system, even though it meets the requirements for W11. My old Gen 2 i7 system, my AMD A10 system, and my AMD A8 laptop all work just fine with W10 as well, and I see no reason to replace them just because M$ wants me to. Don't like forced obsolescence and will avoid it as long as I can.
Linux Mint will run happily on pretty much any 64 bit PC. Good thing if a lot more people realise they don't need to pay Microsoft or Apple. With them it's not your computer, it's theirs, which whilst they are not ripping your data they will occasionally let you use when it's not inconvenient for them.
Anybody think they'll add another 3 or 6 months to the life of Windows 10 next year? Thanks for mentioning the very good versions of Linux people can try to use on old hardware. Many don't know that if they "live in the browser" for about 95% of what they do, a Linux machine will get them by.
It is also getting to where Linux supports more games which is the ONLY real reason to use windows. I can`t wait to see the wintell dueopoly finally die after 30 + years.
@@brianperry4815well, a few of us out here use Windows to get work done, not play games. My CAD software sadly does not run on Linux, so I'm stuck with Windows whether I like it or not. Others needing to run Windows specific software are stuck in the same boat. But yeah, for the majority of folks out there, they ought to give Linux a shot before trashing their old hardware.
I personally like LinuxMint but have used Ubuntu and the stripped down PuppyLinux.
Ironically, the stripped-down Puppy Linux has built-in drivers for my Soundblaster soundcard supporting digital audio that Ubuntu and Mint don't.
As someone who mostly games, if you avoid the worst of the heavily monetized online service stuff, Linux handles games just fine.
Whatever you do, this is a warning to Back-up your data, folks. They'll block all unsupported hardware before long, I reckon.
I can definitely recommend Linux Mint. Especially the XFCE version will run on a potato.
I liked Win10 when it came out. Loved the new look and it ran smoothly for me. I think why Win11 has a smaller user base is because of the cpu requirements to run it. I doubt it's because people simply don't like Win11. They just literally can't install it.
Let's all move to Linux guys
done. you're moving slow. :)
Done. 21 years ago. :-)
I am using ubuntu 22.4 currently from last 3 months
i will try 😊
I will when my programs will be supported. Until then Linux isn't really viable for me.
I don't give a shit, I will never have W11 operating on any of my machines, ever.
Bull&hit. You'll upgrade just like everybody else, once shi& stops working properly.
@@montreauxs No he won't. He just said so. What are you, dumb?
It worse that having a Mac, my daughter started college and she want a windows machine she ditched her mac because she studies architecture.
Microsoft should develop another version for people with older PCs who prefer the old version instead of AI, to support their system. Ignoring this need is not the best approach.
They want those people to use linux.
Microsoft isn’t going to support old hardware forever. As Windows technology advances, you will find yourself limited in what you can do. Eventually you’re going to need a brand new chip to run the AI of the future. Everyone will eventually upgrade. Its only a question of when that will happen.
They did. It's called Windows 7.
My friend Jorma uses Thinkpads from circa 2007 happily with Linux Mint and wants nothing more. People, think before you buy a new PC and scrap the old one. The old laptops do not spy on you, they are maintainable (he repairs the fan regularly) and you can even get batteries to them. He uses them only on the desktop, though. Not an ad, other brands such as HP work well with Linux too.
Thinkpads has excellent service manasl around, old IBM style aka all you need to know is how to read.
Except you can't browse the web and really old CPU's can't even do RUclips. Some of the first Core 2 Duo CPU's can't decode any streaming media and certain basic web pages take up 100% cpu usage. Not to mention it's probably sucking 60W of electricity where a modern, cheap 5W celeron CPU can do everything for basic usage. People who use really old machines either only use it for something really specific or they have no clue/don't care about how much electricity they're wasting because a 2007 laptop also has a really old, electricity sucking LCD panel. I'm all for extending the life of an old machine but eventually you have to realise that things change and generally computers go towards energy efficiency, which is a good thing.
@@spongerobert Jorma just skips sites that he cannot browse.
Linux Mint Cinnamon works on anything made in the last 10 years!
Theres a lot of people out there who cant afford to just change there computer due to the cost
That as well, but more importantly a upgrade isn't needed. Especially for just browsing.
If you can't afford a PC newer than 14-16 years old, you really need to rethink your life.
@@Liminal.Headspace or you need to rethink how much old pc's can be capable of. I am still using a 2009 cpu for heavy gaming just fine. and I bet I can atleast get another 5 years out of it, probably more if I would be fine with medium/ low settings and less fps.
@@Lynnfield3440 What CPU are you even using? Because I won't believe you're using a Core Quad for "heavy gaming". If you're using anything newer, it will still work even after the update.
@@Liminal.Headspace I'm using Xeon X3440 and it's more than enough for any game at decent settings. If you don't believe me watch a video on the X3440. I got one were it plays cyberpunk 2077 just fine paired with a RX6800, fh5 runs very good at the extreme preset, rdr2 is actually the gpu being the bottleneck, doom eternal on all the highest settings is no problem, call of duty cold war is no problem either.
Cool Video. As always. For Linux Usage on older hardware I recommend Linux Mit, Ubuntu and it's different versions, MX Linux. They all work fine.
And the way Micro$oft is going to force to use their OS is not acceptable.
Anyway Tumbs Up and Greetings from Germany
I was right to switch from Windows 10 to antiX (Debian derivative, and Debian is a Linux distribution) when I did. I don't want to use Windows 11, and I'm doing pretty well on Linux. What I have is very lightweight, doesn't consume any unnecessary resources, yet looks good and functions excellently as well. Perhaps not as complex as what Windows 10 and 11 can do with some thing, but it hardly matters as far as I'm concerned. It works with all the software I need, and it plays games that I want. Oh, and I'll say it again - it performs extremely well. Microsoft should learn from this and downside their bloated OS to something actually reasonable.
Windows 10 wasn't hated that much as windows 8, vista and 11 got hated. Most hate on windows was due to buggy feature updates. Otherwise windows 10 is much more stable OS than 11
For now...
Eventhough buggy feature was the main reason. I remember Win10 also saw the more backlash for the rise of telemetry, spyware (though it's introduced around Win7). Eventually, MS started adding more ads and forced MS account (basically boost more bad rep for MS and Windows and more negatively than telemetry issues).
My AMD X2 5200 I built in 2007. 4 GB RAM and and SSD. Geforce video card. It works well for browsing, live FTA TV with a tuner card, runs my scanner and printer. Running Windows 10. Why should I change?
The TPM2.0 requirement already limited Windows 11 to PCs made after 2016 or so, why is excluding CPUs made before 2010 or so going to change _anything?_
This is actually a blessing :)
Older computers are fortunately safe but likely not mine :(
So basically Microsoft are timing it that when Windows 10 EOS begins people won't be able to upgrade their existing older PC's to Windows 11.
As long as you have the recent chipset instruction, you can still upgrade to the next Windows 11 version. If it isn’t present, your PC simply won’t boot, period.
@@NormanF62 Yes, people with older chipsets can install Win 11 now but they won't be able to when Win 10 dies. There's going to be a lot of landfill.
@@Cyba_IT It's really really old cpu's that won't be supported anymore. So old that they shouldn't actually be running windows 10 on it. Also people ran windows XP and 7 literally 4+ years after EOS and only started crying when the web browsers stopped updating on 7 and yes, most windows 7 era machines can run windows 10 but you have to draw the line somewhere. Apple is way worse in that regard because they release a new OS each year and if you're 4 OS versions behind you start to suffer and generally an Apple device only has 2 or 3 OS updates before it "gets too old"
@@spongerobert They already have Win11 (which is essentially Win10 anyway) working with these older CPUs, so what possible sudden benefit could this extra instruction bring? They can always make different code paths as well for unsupported hardware, so it's not some insurmountable problem. They just want more money while creating a ton of e-waste. Also, the comparisons to Apple are meaningless. It's like saying a murderer isn't that bad because serial killers exist. A quad core from 2009 should easily run Win10/11 enough for basic tasks - it's not a Z80.
@@kunka592 100% Dude
So I guess the overarching question is how to block Windows update from trying to force Windows 11 onto machines. I run a lot of Legacy Hardware an old scanner from 20 years ago and midi equipment that's quite old as well as a lot of software applications that are windows only.
Well, as for the Linux distro, one can go to if you are looking for something that looks and feels like Windows, I would say Wubuntu or Windowsfx. Of course, several distros out there would work such as, Linux Lite, Linux Mint, or Kubuntu, to name a few. Also, you can use a USB drive to boot with and test each distro before committing to a final version.
Nice video, where you do an exceptional job of explaining why it is either time to move on to new hardware or explore alternative OS. My Microsoft Surfae Pro is an I7 7th generation that I moved over to Linux Mint 3 weeks ago. It has worked great with no issues. If migrating to something other than windows scares you there are many vids here on RUclips that are great teachers.
Thanks Steve
What about gamers though or guys who work on excel and stuff
Why would Microsoft care about what computer you are using?
because the newer OS can monitor you, and they make money off of that, its a an additional revenue stream for them
Microsoft : Money Money Money 🤑💵💲
I figured that. Their billions in profits aren't enough. They want what's in our wallets too. Forcing us to throw away good older computers just to line their pockets.@@user-c29dxkl4
Code compatibility.
I have an Acer gaming laptop with a Ryzen 2500U 8 core processor, vega 8 and Radeon RX560X, 32 gb RAM plus two SSD drives on board. I've had it for 5 years now and It can still run most modern games in medium 1080 in at least 30 FPS.
According to Microsoft however this computer is too old right now to run win11 despite being a beast when handling everyday tasks, multiple browser tabs, simultaneous background processes and gaming.
With how technology is progressing, I could easilly use this laptop for another 5 years for everyday tasks like viewing media, web browsing, office document editing and gaming older titles. Unfortunatelly with the planned obsolescence BS that Microsoft is sering us right now, in a year I will have to think of either finding a way to install win 11 on this machine or simply installing Linux. This will be a pain in the butt but I'm not doing one thing: I'm not buying a new laptop just because ms are a bunch of greedy assholes.
Many people will however and their old machines will just end up on a landfill. So much for Microsoft's care about the environment. It's all just ESG scam.
You avoid to mention the most widely used alternative option. Win10 works well on older HW, great software is still working fine on the same win10 even if microsoft dies :)
Microsoft is doing a good job in increasing Linux userbase
I have Toshiba Satellite X200 (2007) - C2D T7500, 4GB ram, GT 8700m. Runing MX Linux 23 xfce with no issues, all is working as swiss watch. In dual boot with win 23H2 debloated (defender, updates and all MS crap) just of curiosity.
It's crazy that they just HAD to use this new instruction. What, to gain some immeasurable degree of optimization? Gimme a break.
The chess programming wiki shows how to code it portably with negligible loss of speed. MS wants to be your cranky nanny and not only spy on your every action, but also to only get programs from the MS app store.
ah yes, the "new" instruction that has been in every CPU manufactured in the last 12 years. This is a non issue except for the troglodytes living in Bedrock still running Pentium 4s and Core 2 Duos. At some point ya gotta either upgrade or get left behind.
Want Windows 95 back eh? Updates are there for a reason.
@@jeffb.6642its pretty much a useless gimmick instruction to start, that automates a small loop of bitwise instructions that are extremely fast to begin with.
There is no practical reason to make it a mandatory requirement
I disagree I think as long as your computer does what you need it to do and works well there's really no reason to buy a new one I would just use a good anti virus and don't worry about upgrading if I was in that situation but luckily I have a new pc
Still good for my *AMD FX-8350* it has both SSE4.2 and SSE4A.
Great video Britec thanks for the information apprecited....! Ubuntu is a good place to start with Linux in my option
Absolutely!
Unfortunately even many Linux distributions are moving to what they call "x86-64-v2", which requires SSE4.2 as well. Red Hat and SuSE are using it, and it will eventually spread to other distributions as well.
Those are 2 distros, that a regular Linux user usually does NOT use and don't need to care about.
Most distros will support older hardware for years ahead, no need to worry about it.
There are still distros like Alpine Linux that support older Pentium machines that can't execute 64-bit instructions. But eventually that will be become impractical, especially when they no longer have access to such old machines for testing, or can't get replacement parts easily, eg. 32-bit-only PCs typically don't support SATA.
x86-64 still has a lot of life left in it, particularly x86-64-v2, since even the first-gen Core i5 machines are still more than capable for performing everyday tasks, including watching RUclips videos at 1080p. Linux Mint 21 runs extremely well on my 27" 2010 iMac, despite its first-gen Core i5 CPU.
Don't mention red hat😂...they are Microsoft in Linux blanket
In Linux world there's an alternative option to load whatever code you need, it's not as lazy as compiling everything for specific instructions only. As far as i remember Fedora is discussing such possibility. Or compile for all instructions.
But the main point is on Linux there're options, you can even ride Gentoo and compile everything for your CPU.
5:17 not necessarily true, not all 2xxx am4 processors are compatible, i upgraded to a ryzen 5 5600g from a ryzen 5 2400g since it was not compatible with windows 11(still dont have the newest OS but i like to be ready)
I'm getting a new Dell XPS 8960 PC by the end of the month. 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900 (32MB cache, (whatever that means) 24 cores, 2.00 GHz to 5.2GHz Turbo) with 64GB of RAM. When it comes, I'll use the GPedit from one of your previous videos to stay on Windows 11 version 22H2. Then I'm going to do whatever it takes to make this PC look and hopefully work like Windows 7. Maybe that should be your next video, how to make all these new PCs with their so-call modern menus and startup images look exactly like Windows 7.
Do you think we'll see a new operating system outside of windows, linux or mac pop up from the sidelines any time soon? like within idk 6 years
Linux is all you need - you just need to put in time and effort to learn it properly.
Nope but maybe something for ARM Chips if they become more popular.
Haiku may be in alpha 5
The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is compatibility with Microsoft Office, which about 90% of the world has settled on as their standard for business communications.
So far those only run on Windows and Macs.
Then there are all the other "bread and butter" software that only runs on Windows or Macs like Adobe products.
The free Linux based ones simply can't compete with any of these paid for products on robustness or ease of use.
I run CAD/CAE software. It only runs on Windows. I'm stuck with Windows no matter how much I hate it.
@MichaelDustteryes, it is a wonder that "free, open source" software is as good as it is. But reality is that it just can't compete with a bunch of paid programmers and a company out to make a profit. Competition is a good thing.
Even so, I have heard many say that video editing is the most taxing thing you will ever do in "real-time" on your PC.
I run simulation software that is likely similar. It can offload some of the computations to the video card processor.
But my PC is pretty useless until those simulations are done.
time to move linux
A lot of people will jump ship, but most will return as always
it would be win 10 for me@@Britec09
@@Britec09 I disagree that most will return because of the cost.
Really not a big issue for old CPUs like Core 2 CPUs as those actually have a security flaw (same for AMD processors as there was a flaw that was identified in the instruction architecture I believe that both CPU mfrs used) so I wouldn't want to install it on anythng less than a modern Core i3 (perhaps 6th gen) CPU or AMD Ryzen 3000-series CPU anyway for performance reasons. And to be honest this is NOT really that different from how Apple handles legacy hardware. In some cases, they don't allow you to install newer OSes on some Macs if they are beyond a certain age (for example you cannot install Mac OS X on some or most laptops that are older than about 2014 Even if it technically could run it from a spec standpoint. Apple just doesn't support older configurations.).
I can recommend POP-OS for people, I have it on a variety of PC - Intel i7-4790, I7-7700, i5-9500T, i7-12700T, AMD 3900, AMD 5900HX, 2 x AMD 7950X. So as you can see it work fine from older Intel i7's right the way up to the latest as greatest AMD 7950X which are my gaming Desktop PC's, I used Windows from 3.0 right the way up until and including the beloved Win 7 64 pro but after some modification to Win 10 and MS in its wisdom undone them with an update I went back to Win 7 64 pro and then tried Linux and yes there were bumps in the road but if make a change to the OS I expect it to stay changed even after an update especially since it wasn't a security. Linux lets you do what you like even if it means killing the OS because then you learn !
Kinda ridiculous laptops with 2nd and 3rd generation i5 cpu are still plenty fast for doing so much stuff. Especially desktop 4th gen up are still fast.
Even i3 gen 3 is still fast for me
Built a new PC about 3 years ago. I REALLY don't want to have to build another one after next year simply because I won't be able to use Win 10 that's installed on it.
If you built a pc 3 years ago from parts that were current at the time, it would run win11 without issues.
@@mowcowbell Maybe, but if they end support for Win10, then I'll either have to upgrade to keep it secure, or just have a non-secure OS.
@@sean6077 And the problem with Win11 is? I've been running it over a year, runs smooth, no crashes, no blue screens.
@@mowcowbell 😅are you sérious ??
When support ends and you still really want to stick with Windows 10, then make a system image backup on a external drive every week or two. If you get any problems with malware etc. then just restore from the image. This will return your system exactly back to before you had the issue. System Image is located in Backup and Restore in the Control Panel, then if you ever need to restore from the backup you can do so from Advanced Startup in the Recovery section in Update and Security. You can even do it by booting from a flash drive with the installation media you use to install Windows. Still worth doing this even with the latest OS and updates, probably the best anti-virus contingency there is.
1990s - I'm getting a new OS for my computer.
2020s - I'm getting a new computer for my OS.
Doesn't anyone see the insanity here?
Non-issue. The only CPU's affected are the AMD K8 series and down and the early Intel Dual Core CPU.s and down. If anyone is still running these CPU.s I doubt they can even use anything higher than Windows 2000 or XP and in this case, it doesn't matter.
You could run Windows 8.1 pretty well on a Core 2 Quad, especially on an SSD. Maybe also Windows 10, but probably not well. Those systems are now best suited to retro gaming, running WinXP or Win7.
it's a good thing when you have a desktop PC, you can change that Mobo yourself as long as you know what you need.
sure, stay away from laptops
You can change the motherboard on PCs to remain current which can’t be done on laptops. So if you can upgrade your desktop, it would allow you to run the next gen Windows.
@@NormanF62 But it doesn't stop there with just a new mobo, usually it also means a new CPU, cooler, and RAM.
I might switch to Linux. Not sure yet.
Which means..... either Aunt Tilly stays on old Windows... or... We make conversions simple, and it's finally "the year of Linux." Making conversions simple is not just providing a good installer - it's a 3-fold process of bridging the transition seemlessly. It's firstly about providing a way to migrate their old OS to a container where they can then /safely/ run their old OS on top of Linux in virtualization, then its about providing ways to migrate folks' apps & data out of the container via native ports or via wine, and then finally it's about providing folks a pathway to convert their data over to use fully native apps.
Thank you for letting us know that there are alternatives to windows; I'm running several different versions of Linux on some of my machines.
So do i need to worry on a Laptop made in 2017?
I have the same question. My laptop is an i7 7 gen
@@MsLesleyAnn1 Only pre 2008 Intel and 2010 AMD is affected. Like The Core 2 series and K10. This guy is creating panic for no reason.
As long as you have a PC made after 2010, it should be supported. That’s the floor for Windows 11 24H2 being able to boot up on it.
@@Liminal.HeadspaceBasically every Core Duo and Core Quad will be too old to run Windows 11 24H2.
@@NormanF62 You're saying that like it's ever been a good idea to install W11 on a damn Core2 or K10. Those will buckle under W10, let alone W11.
Great video! They are doing this on the hardware level which will be impossible to bypass because right now as of version 21h2, 22h2+ the install media and the os itself only have system requirement checks which can be turned on and off through the registry but on 24H2 the CPU blockage is being done on the hardware level through critical system files which will always be running on boot up and will be locked down to prevent modification. It's an excellent move in my honest opinion.
Microsoft don't want to support old legacy hardware and you can see why.
@@Britec09 Exactly!
dont worry, the windows community is huuuuuuge, theres tons of modders and hackers out there that will offer up modified ISOs to get ur old PC up and running, of course don't use them for anything that is security sensitive that u need to enter your password or login accounts. If u need to enter a password then its best to boot up a linux distro.
My laptop support windows 24H2 but I don't want an update because it will make my laptop processor hot and make laptol lag, I will stay at 22h2
Tbh Core2 are really old CPUs, but it's not because of the CPU itself, but rather the whole platform (limited SATA 1/2 speeds, limited driver support for other peripherals, etc). So it's not that much of a tragedy these PCs are not able to install Windows 11, at this point you wouldn't want to, with the OS designed with newer hardware in mind.
Exactly. They're also limited to DDR2 RAM and USB 2.0.
Even Windows 10 was never really intended to run on Vista-spec Core 2 machines. It only works well if you upgrade the RAM to 8 GB and replace the old HDD with an SSD.
@@zoomosis there were some DDR3 C2 machines, I even have one at home. You're just limited to 1333MHz, but even that, you have to at least get and upgrade to a SSD to use Win10, otherwise the experience is suboptimal. USB 2.0 shouldn't be an issue most of the time, most people who are stuck to that kind of a PC rather lack any USB 3 accessories.
Microsoft clearly in league with the PC manufacturers, trying to force people to buy new computers. Windows 11 23H2 runs fine on my 11 year old Thinkpad X230 Tablet.
Not for long
And it will still run just fine. This update is just weeding out CPUs with incomplete and outdated instructions sets. Search for your CPU on Intel's page and look at Instructions Set Extensions. If it's SSE 4.2 it's still okay.
@@eddielegs344the X230T has a Sandy Bridge CPU on it, and Sandy Bridge has SSE4.2 so...
3:07 no wonder when microtrash added strict requirements even my laptop from 2018 cannot upgrade without adding new registry values to bypass the fucking requirements i mean even i7 7700k from 2017 cannot run Windows 11 because it doesnt support some stupid features this is ridicilous when a fucking 8th gen intel celeron support Windows 11 but barely runs it while i7 7700k does not support but runs just fine without any problems this is sick.
does not afect those who were supported out of the gate, only those that had older CPU and used a workaround.
Its possible Tiny will recompile the instruction set to allow older computers to run Windows 24H2.: There comes a point of diminishing returns with such a workaround snd its best to upgrade to a PC with s chip that supports what you want to do.
@@NormanF62 I suspect the only possible workaround is through a hacked boot loader that loads the kernel into memory then patches out the POPCNT instruction with a series of instructions compatible with older machines. The code translator would need to run in the background for the entire time Windows is running, which would be a pretty serious hit to performance, if it was even possible.
All to allow a handful of Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad PCs to run the latest version of Windows 11. Even if someone succeeds in that goal, it's still not worth it.
it doesn't even affect all of those users, either. Just the cavemen that still use a CPU older than their Gen Z children
@@jeffb.6642 was that supposed to be a dig at us older people? if so was not a very good diss.
their are other options besides upgrading to windows 11.stay on the os you are currently on for one or download another os.@@NormanF62
"Why don't you get rid of all those computers and just do it all on one?"? There are several reasons for that involving safeguards like redundancy (Although, dedicated for one purpose if another system breaks you can utilize the other.), ease of use (Different activities on different machines makes choosing settings easier and avoids time-consuming choices of space allocation, directory structure, and prioritizing resources.), and avoiding abandoned utility. For example, I have a laptop that while old can still support some browsers. If a problem arises on my desktop computer I can let the system stay where it's at in terms of activity (i.e. stay in the same window or on the same tab, or stilling running an app) while I search for the most prudent next move from resources on the Web using the old laptop. There are other reasons as well involving economic and environmental aspects, but I'm sure you're already getting feedback from different perspectives on them.
Thank Goodness for Linux OSes that are here to save the day and give those old computers a second chance out of the landfills.
This effects pcs before 2010, not sure who would be using something that old anyway.
@@Britec09 I am . CPU from 2009 "Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200" still powerful enough for my needs.
😊yup, I just installed Win 11 Pro on my Q9550, it works but yeah its kinda slow@@markae0
@@markae0same I am still using a 2009 Xeon X3440 for my gaming rig. Paired with a Rx6800 it is still very capable and plays any game no diff.
All the more reason to switch to Linux very soon. I'm building a Linux computer right now. I guess I'll have about a year to learn Linux.
Not that hard to learn
@@Britec09 I hope not.
Linux is a walk in the park these days! No need for terminal commands in many distros. If My 74 year old mum, who has only had a computer for the past 5 years can run and maintain a linux distro. Anyone can!@@magoolew5131
Many people total computing requirements are satisfied by being able to run a modern web browser. That can be on a PC or a smart phone. The reason so many people are still using PCs is simply the comfort of the form factor - a large screen that they can read (more) easily and a full sized keyboard/mouse for more comfortable interaction.
Old hardware is perfectly capable for these people. The OS is then just the launcher for the browser so who needs Win11 especially when Microsoft keep playing with the user interface making it less familiar and more confusing to many users than Linux Mint or Zorin OS would be.
Added to that, Windows is becoming an advertisement delivery platform to bombard people with information they don't want and didn't ask for. No wonder people still fall for pop-up scams. They've been trained by Microsoft to accept that stuff will just appear on the screen unbidden.
I'm happily using Win11 on my 2007 PC, with an Intel CoreDuo Quad Q9550. I use it for software development. It's sometimes slow, but it let me do my job done with no issue at all.
What's the problem with future updates of Win11? Do not install them on unsupported CPUs and live happy. 😊 BTW, I'm loving Win11.
@user-oe2us2ly9u I know. I'll stick with the current build with this old PC.
This is what you get when you choose Microsoft...oh, and free spyware...
If you don't have a machine that supports this, you've either been unemployed for 10 years or you love your 2007 PC more than anyone in your life.
- That's not Microsoft's fault.
No i just dont want to throw a perfectly good laptop in the rubbish.@@Key-Premise
@@Key-Premise Not 2007, even first Ryzens or 7th generation of Core are not compatible. Those are from 2017.
@@Key-Premise You might wanna check your math and a calendar, along with completely missing the point, which is that Windows/MS blows goats. But hey, if you like built in spayware and advertisements and Linux is too "hard", have at it.
@@xsc1000 The 2007 PC was one example. My other example is that CPU's from 2018+ are so cheap, it's more expensive to go on a date (Once).
To be fair these are pretty old CPU's. Even some Linux distros are starting to drop support for CPU's this old so it's not just Windows.
When I upgraded to Windows 10. I didn't need to change my perfectly good computer. Now I'm not going to buy a new computer and a new operating system just for a new Windows when the Windows and the hardware I'm using work perfectly!
Well, core 2 and phenom 1 are both pretty slow by now....if you have core 2 or phenom 1 or older just stay on windows 10! I wonder if there is such a thing as a board that can run a phenom II and also have working secure boot, uefi, and a discrete tpm 1.2 module...that would be sweet. I love socket am3.
Hej Brian thanks for the the video yes this is on deeper level and yes 24H2 seams to requires instructions sets in the Cpu but many will be able to run Windows 11 24H2 but if people have a computer that is 12 years old or more then, then it becomes impossible to run Windows 24H2 on computers that do not have support for Windows 11. But we'll see what happens like you also say Brian but Microsoft what it seems to set higher requirements for Windows 11 for very old computers. But if you still have a computer that is older than 12 years, it is time to upgrade. I have downloaded the CPUID there you can check a lot, including what the computer has for Instructions sets in the Cpu i have been waiting for this because, sooner or later microsoft will block computers with unsupported hardware. I personally think why Microsoft might start demanding even tougher requirements for, Windows 11 and upcoming Windows versions in, the future it is about AI and upcoming NPU( neural processing unit) take care Brian and have a lovely evening.
Thanks for sharing,
@@Britec09 Hej no problem yes we'll see what happens but there's a lot going on at Microdoft and we'll see what direction Windows is going but it seems there won't be any Windows 12 this year take care Brian and keep up the nice work you do.
I disagree, my 2009 X3440 is still a very capable gaming beast.
Turn off updates.
Isn't that like really a lot of work?
Not defending Microsoft, but a PC that old would really struggle to run Windows 11 with all the bloat that OS has anyway. It would be a constant battle of turning off background services, keeping junk from downloading/uploading in the background, and regular running of your favorite de-bloat scripts just to keep it usable.
Even some Linux distros may feel sluggish on a PC that old too depending on what you have running on there. There does come a time when older hardware will struggle with things like web browsing, email, and office work when the apps for those things keep getting bigger and more resource intensive (it also doesn't help that many websites do a lot more nowadays too). While those tasks can be done on a 14 year old PC just fine today, you may start seeing some slowdown somewhere depending on what you have going on with the PC at the time as we move forward.
How far this performance hit goes and how far you can take older hardware today, I don't know. There's a LOT of variables to consider, and sometimes it does just make more sense to get new hardware and transfer data to a new PC before old hardware fails...for being old.
As for Linux alternatives, with Mint, get the MATE or Xfce edition. Those two editions are lighter on system resources and better for running on older hardware where as Cinnamon is a little more top heavy (but not much more).
They work just fine with the systems they are trying to ditch.They work fine with Linux. What needs to happen is windows gets ditched and Microsoft learns how people vote with their wallet.
Still shocks me how people are still holding on to these old PCs
Because CPUs from Core2 are still enough to do web browsing and other simple tasks most people are doing. Anything that can run Vista has enough power to run any modern version of Windows :-)
Why would you waste several hundred £/$ when the computer you have is adequate for the job you want it to do?
@@xsc1000 yeah but imagine running modern software it's not going to perform well
@@stuartgibson9755 you do realize that people have to move on eventually for modern operating systems
@@xsc1000Let's face it: if we want to continue to use these old PCs, then we would *HAVE* to switch to Linux! You can do web browsing, email, and other simple tasks with Linux just fine.
Bill Gates: "You can't run Windows 11" Me: "Your terms are acceptable." Happily migrating EVERYTHING to Linux. Thanks for playing.
It's Microsoft decision. If you don't have a supported CPU, use Windows 10 until it breaks or switch to a Linux distro.
They've done this before - I have an old pc running win 7, when win 10 first came out, I converted to win 10, but changed my mind, made it into a VM, switched back. Point is, it did run win 10. At some point, they changed things so that it would not boot win 10. Intel 920, ASUS P6Tv2.
Currently use only to operated Blu-ray writer.
Great job, Microsoft!! Keep it up! MS's work can be the best thing that ever happened to Linux! Thank You Mr. Bill!
Do not forget that huge organisations and enterprises continue to use Windows 7 at their desktops as their local nets are protected from powerfull hardware firewalls and servers.
47% of desktop users use Windows 7, 26% use Windows 10 (after serius debloating and customizing) and only 3~5% use Windows 11 (because of new purcases) !
MS support mean nothing if your system works fine . Maybe we have problems with new stuff drivers in some cases in the future , but that not means that today operatinal apps will stop working...
Even more i think that will be good that MS will stop to change thinks on our pcs and brake thinks .
Windows 11 are semifiniched project and have a lot of bugs and issues out of the box. For this reason I don`t recomend them at all.
TPM approved vulnarable and the increase of telemetry destroy our privacy , so the "security" became worst in Windows 11 than it was in Windows 10 and Windows 7.
Linux OS are good for comunications bat became nightmare when you try to use them for video-photo-disign-animation editing as many drivers do not exist....
Windows NT is almost 10 years old and Linux is 20 years old . With the speeds that technology grow up these OS are too old and must be changed if we want to use the latest CPUs and GPUs efficiently.
The support of Windows 10 will continued until 2029 at least (Windows 10x64 Enterprise LTSC). Until then our pcs will payback their own cost and Windows 11 will fix their issues.
Windows NT is almost 30 years old. Windows NT 3.51/4.0 is the oldest NT kernel based version of windows. It can out at around the same time as windows 98 and it has not really improved a great deal since. Every version of windows starting from windows NT is just an extension of the windows NT kernel with a new shell or things added or removed from the operating system.
@@rs0389 Corect !
I installed, on a brand-new hp pro-book, Linux mint 8 "Helena" in 2010. Always followed the upgrade 3 months after the release date. Now I'm using mint 21 and changed ram memory from 4 to 16 GB. doing a bit of video with kdlive, dj'ing with mixxx, etc. I pulled my card to do donations, never by force!
Bro if you're on CPUs as old as 2008/2009 you have other things to worry about than running windows 11.
It sucks that my old Sony Vaio cant run linux because it needs so many proprietary drivers to work. 😢