HUGE thanks to Eleven Arts for Sponsoring this video! GINTAMA THE VERY FINAL TICKETS AND LOCATIONS: www.elevenarts.net/titles/gintama-the-very-final 13:28 sincere apologies to Sriram Gurunathan for how we botched the pronunciation of his name, we were fairly certain on the others but just didn’t bother to check for his. I think their first name is pronounced more like “shree-ruhm” from what I can gather. 15:35 There are actually a couple instances of the Ocean dub Westernizing Japanese references, one is referring to the River Sanzu (from Japanese Buddhist mythology) to the River Styx (from Greek mythology). Both are rivers associated with death/the afterlife. 23:21 should probably elaborate on how the Miami dub pronounces "Gintoki". In terms of emphasis it's actually closer to the Japanese, other dubs have it more as "gin-TO-ki" while in the JP/Miami dub it's GIN-to-ki. However I think as a result of taking the stress away from the second syllable, the Miami dub the "o" vowel in in that syllable less defined and sometimes shifted into more of an "uh" sound, so it sounded like "GIN-tuh-key". Gotta keep in mind that Japanese as a language doesn't have as many individual sounds as English does, and obviously the ideal situation would be to get the emphasis and vowel spot-on. 24:17 - 24:26 Apologies if this gave the implication that the Ocean dub didn't have any humor at all. Abhi may “hate all comedy” but even they know that although some references/puns were lost in translation, there were obviously other comedic aspects of that dub which came through thanks to the work of the actors and staff.
Didn't YYH also translate Sanzu River to River Styx? I never got too far into that show but I remember the dub mentioning the River Styx but I later learned that King Emma (and King Yemma from DBZ) was based on King Yama of Buddhist religion and the whole afterlife system in YYH (and DBZ) was based on Buddhism and I learned about the Sanzu River from researching Power Rangers Samurai of all things (and yet Ninja Steel calls what should have been "substitution jitsu" "ninja scarecrow technique").
@@TheCartoonCipher Can you review the SpongeBob Japanese dub. I've actually heard some interesting things about it like: Plankton ,Patrick and Mermaid man's voices being female, changes to the outro, changes to voices after both movies ,etc. Or maybe just Japanese interpretations of western cartoons in general. like Powerpuff girls Z.
@Janeiro I Shit dub?! What are you talking about? That shit was legendary! Not too many studios have the b*lls to do that nowadays. Maybe you were too sensitive for that dub. Anyways if you don't enjoy dubs then stick to subs ;) Ranting won't help. Oh and don't take jokes seriously. Peace!
@Janeiro I Do you even know why Ghost stories dub came to be? Or are you ranting because you found it highly offensive. Perhaps you don't know that no one gives a shit about the original GS sub and the English dub was the only great thing about that show. So comparing Bleach and E7 dubs with GS is ridiculous.
I wholeheartedly agree that Gintama, even in Japanese, sounds like an abridged series. Aside from the dramatic plots of Gintoki & everyone dealing with the aftermath of an intergalactic war, most of the series has pop culture references, 4th wall meta jokes, BDSM & toilet humor, and a Gorilla for a manga artist. Might as well embrace it for localization. Kinda hope they do that moving forward.
This must be hands down the hardest anime ever to translate especially the early episodes with ask the Japanese political and Japanese pop culture jokes. It would be like trying to translate south park or family guy or Robot chicken. Most jokes and some entire episodes won't work Edit: horrible auto correct typos
I disagree. Yes, there are many Japanese cultural references that most people around the world wouldn't know or understand at layman's glace of Gintama, but that is also why it needs to be dubbed. People will research the context naturally, go to forums, learn about each reference within each episode, and be educated on Japanese cultural references within the show much like people already do around the world with Family Guy and Robot Chicken when they watch it and find it interesting as well
Gintama continues to remain an enigma for me. How it manages to have so many meta references and potty humor in a serious heart-wrenching story is genuinely amazing.
The Japanese is probably always going to reign supreme for this series specifically, but the Ocean dub was by far the best attempt. Honestly, if they just got that cast and crew together to do the rest of the series, and maybe redo the movies, I think it'd be the best dub we could hope for for Gintama.
When the movie was dubbed I actually was looking forward to the Miami dub the most. Roly Gutierrez made a really good Gintoki. Just that he sounds the most like sugita and his line delivery had the best potential for growth. Roly recently fandubbed a scene with Takasugis Miami dub VA. It was Gintoki v Takasugi in Shogun Assassination and it turned out really good. Had me excited if hulu ever continued Gintama where they left off. The cast eleven arts with is still good. Michael was great during comedy episodes. This video is making me want to buy tickets for the dub and then watch the sub on the same day. I do think the localization approach the Miami dub made is good. But I also like how Crunchyroll handles the script too. I think I would like a dub that was on a middle ground to what these two dubs did
The day there's a Gintama dub, in any language, that "works" is when I'll stop being a MADAO, get a job and move out of my tangerine cardboard box. But until then I have my dog and my radio, and nothing else worthy in the world.
1:28 just a brief reminder that I for one am here for the dub commentary, cuz you're the only ones who do it! Please please do not stop~ Speaking as the odd anime fan who never saw Gintama aside one episode or so subbed, frankly, this is why. There's never been a clear entry point for a fan who generally wants to watch dubs and the obtuse humor being the point is... well a niche opinion. Unsurprisingly I'm on the side of taking even more liberties (maybe short of changing entire character names, which seems out of vogue nowadays) - but a fascinating and useful chronicle of what's been happening to this series over the years. Wish we could get some idea of why the localization attempts were so scattered...
There actually KINDA is a reason that Cartoon Cipher didn't mention, Sentai didn't just license the first movie they did in fact license the TV series and released the first 49 episodes across 4 sub-only DVD sets and there was a tweet from Funimation back when Gintama first got announced where they said they just couldn't get the license to the first 2 series which is why they started with series 3. This next part is speculation on my end but I would guess Sentai still had the license to those first 250 episodes which is why CR and Funi didn't start at the beginning and Sentai just knew they were gonna do nothing with the license so TV Tokyo themselves just decided to commission a dub themselves and release that on Hulu since Sentai still had the license and wanted to let it expire. It might've expired by now so maybe/hopefully now that CR and Funi are partners again they'll actually go and commission Ocean once again to dub the rest of the anime
NGL I like the UG dub because it reminds me some of dubs from ADV in the 90s and early 2000s (Eva, Blue Seed, Excell Saga, etc) when the anime fandom was still pretty small and nascent. It has this quirky, semi-amateurish yet appealing style about it that drives home how much these people are trying their best to make a watchable experience; and but I'm happy that the localisation work went to a small group in Miami rather than to the umbrella of Sony/Funimation. I honestly think it makes the show more fun to watch. Also, I'm from Kentucky, so the possibility that "Gintoki Fried Chicken" is an allowable pun fills me with glee.
@Janeiro I I'm not sure what was ignorant and I can assure you I have seen good quality dubs. And I agree with what you've said. I'm under no illusion that there were not quality dubs in that time period. But at the same time the industry was much less systematized than it is today which allowed for a range of smaller licensors and VA studios as well as the main ones (Pioneer particularly), and that this dub reminds me of that since they are a smaller studio, which means they are going to have a bit more difficulty than Funimation or any other big VA studio, which I think is really interesting.
*comes in picking nose after crashing scooter into wall* "A series that was cancelled 6 times was gifted with about 4 dubs. If I was English, I would probably use the word 'ironic' to describe that. Which is incorrect, which is why I'm not English. What's it matter language we say stuff in? The lawyers are ready to jump on us for whatever we say, regardless. And the people at The Cartoon Cipher watch Gintama?......Nah. Nah nah nah nah. Everyone knows no one actually watches Gintama. That segment in front of Yorozuya wasn't a clever reference for longtime fans. They were just saving time on the editing. Some people. Always looking to cut corners. Everyone knows Bandai Namco pays people off to watch our series. Talk about throwing money down the drain. If they really wanted to see a return on their investment, they should've given it to me. I would've doubled it in an afternoon. No, tripled it. I can feel the good luck in my pachinko hand, and the hand of the Luck Goddess on my ch*nko. Zura, anything to add?" 5:07 "Catsura janai! Katsura da!" "Well said, as always."
Great video. I feel that the Ocean dub thus far was the best rendition of getting a decent Gintama dub. Not that the others didn't try their best but they did fall flat in a lot of cases. Looking forward to seeing the movie in dub, and how they do with it. Hopefully this'll open the doors for more Gintama dubbing opportunities in the future, like dubbing the entire series this time and not just parts of it🙂🤷🏾♂️
Wow, I never thought the day would come when you guys would make a video about the Gintama dubs. Overall, I agree with a lot of your points. Maybe I'm biased as a Canadian, but for me the Ocean dub was by far the best one, and I'm gutted that they never got the chance to do the rest of the series. With that said, I'm pretty annoyed that Eleven Arts commissioned Sentai to do the movie for the Very Final. In the Gintama fandom, the Sentai dub is not seen in a good light *at all*, and the Ocean dub is the definite favourite. I wish the Ocean cast got to dub these characters one last time. They had 50ish episodes of experience compared to the Sentai actors who did one movie, and a rather poor job at it. I'm going to watch both the dub and sub in theatres (as Gintama is my favourite manga/anime of all time), so I really hope you're right about the Sentai actors improving. I'd rather just have a separate movie dubbed by the Ocean cast, but meh... Anyway, thanks a lot for covering the Gintama dubs!
Haha thank you glad you liked it! Yeah if you're super attached to the Ocean cast The Very Final might not live up to it even tho it's definitely better than the old Sentai dub haha. I think the various side characters were the Ocean dub's greatest strength and I miss them too...
The hulu dub was my first experience with Gintama and even though it's not the highest quality, I definitely enjoyed every second of it It hooked me onto Gintoki's sarcastic personality as much as the original would've, I even had a small phase where I'd try talking like him, I was so addicted to the vibe he gave off But nonetheless, I'm happy with Gintama subbed as well I personally want the hulu dub to continue, but if there ever will be another dub, and hopefully one that does the entire series chronologically, and does it's best to handle hard to translate jokes (even if they had to resort to 4th wall breaking and stuff, which I personally would not mind one bit) There's one thing I ask for You know the va that voiced Roy Mustang in FMA's dub? Put him on Hijikata I swear to god
I'll admit the big takeaway I have from this video is definitely that the Miami dub is better than I thought along with the Ocean dub not being the perfect dub I thought it was. I formed my opinion on both based off of the initial episodes I saw of both (in my defense usually English dubs don't dip super bad partway through so I thought it was a safe assumption) I also don't shit on the Miami dub much anymore anyway just due to that Gintoki VA clearly being humble and saying he would do much better if he had the chance again (which I fully believe) Really the only problem I have at this point is just the very basic fact that we never really will get a properly handled dub. That bit where you mentioned Gintoki's Japanese VA having a somber tone due to it being the true last thing he'll ever record for that character is something that will likely never be felt in that movie by the English VAs especially now. There's also just the fact that at this point BEST CASE scenario we'll get a completed dub with the Ocean cast, and if I'm being honest that's the only thing I can really accept unless literally EVERYTHING is redubbed including the final which obviously isn't happening. I hate watching anime subtitled with a burning passion (not saying subs themselves or people who watch them are bad) and I know I would love Gintama unconditionally, so it's a massive shame I may never get to experience one of the greatest anime ever fully in my preferred anime consumption method. Here's hoping Ocean can do a full dub one day I guess. At least we have what already exists
I was gonna make a video about how I think a good Gintama Dub should embrace the 4th wall and make not only jokes more contemporary and for more for an occidental audience, but also being self aware that it's not only an anime, but the Gintama dub. A dub of a show of more than a decade ago that's difficult to do.... but this video already exits, and I love that someone else is doing it justice
Yeah honestly that may as well be the best approach but of course it's gonna be dependent on the timing as that's pretty important for comedy. There are some obscure references that are pretty blatant though so it would still be challenging to do. I just want it to be done well and with respect. I used to think the Miami dub was trash but I clearly see its strengths and what it accomplished even if it was amateur, which makes me hate the Sentai dub of the first film even more because of how bastardized the script and voice direction is. I'm seeing the final movie in theaters on Sunday as I type this but I'm not seeing it dubbed considering most of the cast is Sentai even if the core cast is from Canada. It just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Plus nothing will truly top the OG cast since they're very core to the experience.
I’m all sub but I did put on the Soul Swap arc in dub just to see what it was like. Which made absolutely no difference to me because I wasn’t familiar with the English cast in the first place 😂. I lost it at Maya Sizitzy so they were definitely doing something right. This was an amazing video!
I'd love to see a discussion on the Lupin III dubs, there's so many of them and only recently has TMS put together a consistent cast for their productions.
I absolutely LOVE LOVE Gintama so much and I grew up watching anime sub only, so the world of English dub is very new to me. I don't know if I should muster the courage to watch The Final in its dub (I bought the blu ray!), because watching the Japanese cast perform was...extremely intense. I cried very hard. I'm kinda scared to see the dub at this point lol This was a very interesting and in-depth discussion about the Gintama dub! I always did wonder why only parts of it had an English dub and I just kinda assumed that Gintama itself wasn't popular enough in English-speaking countries to warrant a full dub. From what I've seen in this video, the Gintoki dub by Roly Gutierrez sounded really, really good. It makes me very curious to watch the movie, even though I know he's not in it for that one. Ugh, I miss Gintama already.
Honestly I believe any comedy relying heavily on references to an obscure cultural thing or similar is a pain to translate to a dub. If any company/organization/group with limited restrictions I would love to see how Teamfourstar interpreters the material, I wouldn't want them to abridge the show but let them add more cultural references that a dub audience would get in the end. I doubt a fully precis dub would work as well as one with a bit more "Western" influences would work, as any media interpreted for a different language and audience would do. Honestly I have kept my distance for this reason and doubt that any studio can do it justice but if anyone ever does do try a dub from the start of the show and go on to the end I wish them the best and hope it turns out great.
The season 1 dubbing for Gintama is the only English dubbing that was actually good. I just didn’t like how they pronounced Gintoki’s name and changed Katura’s nick name. Other than that though the dubbing was good. All of the English voice actors in season 1 in my opinion were the best voices. I hope someday they re-dub Gintama with the season 1 voices. Mostly what the season 1 English voice actors would have to do is practice pronouncing the names better, especially Gintoki’s and change Katsura’s nick name back to Zura and they’re all set.
About the Hulu Gintama dub, before Anime News Network reveal the English dub announcement on November 24, 2019, 16 day ago, Hulu add the the English dub of Episode one part 1 of Gintama on November 8, 2019, before the full dub got release on December 1, 2019, part 2 was not added at that time, The first episode part 1 of the Gintama dub was on Hulu for few days before it was remove on November 15, 2019.
Actually, y’know what, I think the best translation of the Zura thing is just Zoo. It’s stupid enough that in-character Zura would hate it, it fits with the theme of that one scene later on of Zura going ape, and leaves an extra lip flap for the dubbers to work with. Miss out on all the wig jokes but hey, can’t have everything.
They did fk up Katsuras man a million times in the original so maybe that was intentional. He was called katsudon Katsuro and many other Katsus I can't remember. I'm surprised they almost have the right idea the way they break the 4th wall.
The ゜is known as the "handakuten" and it's used for the はひふへほ family where initially having the H consonant (except forふ/fu) changes to the P consonant. As for why it's called Gintama゜, just Gintama being Gintama.
As always, I enjoy watching your videos. They're just a lot of fun and informative. Thou, I don't plan to see this movie as I've only watched a few episodes and I just don't want to see a film to something that I only know little of. Maybe if a DVD/Bluray comes out and I have seen more, then perhaps I will.
Gintama fans dub in my country is surprisingly good! I kinda proud bcs the cursed language is just fit well in our language Oh i'm Indonesian btw- there's example IND dub of gintama in youtube, but sadly it's just a fans dub and only dub the recommended eps.
That is why I like translator notes I want to explore and learn about japanese dick puns. You would need very charismatic va's who really care about gintama and who have the time to do research on the cultural refences to nail them which is a big ask. You would also need giga brained translators and a lot of transparence with the community which are also big asks. For jokes that are untranslatable and can not be worked around they should definably have 4th wall break, or have a reoccurring gag about how the translators and localizers are suffering. Gintama has many moments where at the start of an episode the characters talk over a shot of the oddjobs building and they could include that in their. You can probably include a gag of the va's trying to sing the op in english.
Cole Howard deserved an award for being the best English Shinpachi voice hands down. I feel out of all the Gintama characters he's the hardest to get right.
Have been watching and reading it for years and I enjoy the fact We have so many different ways to enjoy gintama is amazing to me it was amazing wen I found the Sub back in the day and getting a dub was crazy to me then as it is now
And if I ware to have the control over a dubbed at all I would make the perfect cast choices as a huge Chris Patton fan I would ask him to play gintoik and then after that I would focus on marketing the show to the right people
I think they should have had bonus episodes or endings that explained Japanese pop culture, the manga was a decent way to understand some of it because they can just add text or small notes but for an anime that can get distracting
for me the Miami dub introduced me to Gintoki , and I was hooked on his character and got me simping over Kagura and annoyed at Shinpachi , and wanting Prince Hata to die every time he was on screen
12:36 Yeahhh no he's been deconstruction those tropes and essentially wrote a story about an empty man regaining meaning into his life after losing everything
I see how difficult is to make sound the character similar to the jappanise version in english luckely It Is much easier to do so in italian and cause of it we recently got the full series dubbed
Gintama should be dubbed loyal to the manga/anime. Especially with the jokes that don't translate well. the japanese subs had it right detailing the necessary references each joke has
I picked up Gintama after finishing Naruto and getting to around 850 in One Piece. Ik it had been around for a long while so when I got to episode 50 and it was no longer in dub I was shook. My friend keeps telling me to stop watching shows in dub cuz this happens a lot. Quite sad. Especially since it's been a year since this video has come out.
I was watching this anime a few day's ago and i know gintama make alot of anime references but i honestly was not expecting a lupin the 3rd reference 😵🤣
I don't know why you unlove my last comment about the Hulu Gintama dub, I did not tell you this, but I am telling the truth, I actually saw the English dub of Episode one part 1 of Gintama on Hulu back in November 8, 2019, and no one was talking about it, No one know the dub existed back in November 8 to 23, because only 43 million people subscribe to Hulu and hardly anyone saw the dub back in early November, I was one of the few people to see the Episode one part 1 of Gintama Hulu dub first, before the full dub got release. I was a Hulu subscriber, and I remember finding the show on Hulu after going through network and finding TV Tokyo, and I soon when on it and found the Gintama dub list it on Hulu on November 8, So I watch Part 1 of the first episode before it was remove by Hulu, and I try to look up the Hulu dub of Gintama after it was remove on November 15 to see if people are talking about it and guess what, no one was talking about it. People will soon start talking about the Gintama Hulu dub after Anime News Network announce the dub on November 23.
I’m very curious the first season has Gintama English dubs of the season don’t have no dubs at all what the hell is going on if you can tell me what is going on and tell me if they’re gonna eventually get it down the line which don’t look like it but to me is kind of irritating because it is a good anime and it makes no damn sense to me
I don't think a dub is possible but if I have to say then I say the important thing is the soul of the show if they can preserve that some who it can be a decent dub
The dub would have to have footnotes for it to work. Though needless to say, the experience wouldn't be as smooth as if you were a native Japanese watcher.
I dont get it. why do people always talk about the "translation" being the issue when it's literally subbed meaning it's already english they just have to follow the subtitles. Makes absolutely no sense why translation would be an issue.
>Sentai mispronounces names. "wth sentai come on" >Miami pronounces Gintoki's name almost immaculately "c'mon guys it sounds like kentucky lmao" Pick one, because you can't have it both ways, unless you wanna be a hypocrite.
Yeah fair enough. The Miami dub's emphasis is more accurate to the Japanese by stressing the 1st syllable rather than the 2nd, the other dubs don't do that afaik. But I think a consequence of that is that since the "to" gets less emphasis than the "Gin" in the Miami dub, the vowel becomes more vague and sounds more like an "uh" than an "oh". I'll update the pinned comment to add that info.
@@TheCartoonCipher I think the takeway should perhaps be that accurately pronouncing japanese names isn't that important for a dub compared to having a good script and good performances. Gintoki being pronounced correctly doesn't really do much to make the Miami dub better. While on the other hand, a really good dub like Steins;Gate can pronounce Okabe as Oukabae while detracting nothing from the overall experience. Subject to some personal opinion of course, and I'm definitely a hypocrite in this regard myself to some extent (the UBW reading Tohsaka as "Toesaka" for instance was a big part of why I switched to subs), but still some food for thought.
@@storotso Hard disagree on the pronunciation part. To me with any name you have to be accurate and pronounce someone's name correctly out of respect, fictional or otherwise. I get not everyone speaks a foreign language but an effort should be placed there. If the anime character is say, Joseph Joestar then it may not be a deal breaker, but for a specifically Japanese name you need to be aware. I feel people are afraid of being corrected when they get a name wrong when really they should be encouraged to get it right.
@@RoboticEdward In the Naruto dub, there's two ways they pronounced Naruto. Narr-u-to, or Na-duto (more on the Japanese pronounication, Sasuke usually says it this way, as well as a few other characters). The wrong way to pronounce Naruto is the stressing of the RU like a lot of people unfortunately do in Na-RUU-to. ' And what's really interesting is that therre is a Vinland Saga anime where there's two dubs. The show is about vikings, and the two dubs go about completely appoarch in pronoincation of names (not just characters but places, etc). n One is how most English speakers wouldd say the names, and the others would be more historically correct. So much so, Vikings isn't pronounced like you're used to, it's Vee-kings (which is correct, though I admit it caught me off-guard)
Is it just me or is it the legendary ghost stories actors in here, they are the ones I'd have the most faith in. Ryan Reynolds wouldve been great with a roll in here also
@Janeiro I maybe it shouldn't be the official for the sake of the original but it's almost team4star levels of funny so it should definitely exist and propagate
@Janeiro I those are my actual favs. Along with American pie movies (ghost stories) south park, boondocks, Chappelle show, some family Guy. These things made me laugh harder than anything else has in my life. I cried laughing at all of these few things maybe now u can what my brand of comedy is
Gintama was dubbed in Brazilian Portuguese too, but it was dubbed in Miami... Yes, dubbed in Brazilian Portuguese in Miami. I don't need to say how weird was our dubbed version, do I? 🥲🥲
@lucassantana o pessoal pode dizer que dublagem em inglês é ruim e gintama em inglês tem seus problemas mas a dublagem de gintama em inglês é com certeza melhor que a nossa(não que seja muito difícil)
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13:28 sincere apologies to Sriram Gurunathan for how we botched the pronunciation of his name, we were fairly certain on the others but just didn’t bother to check for his. I think their first name is pronounced more like “shree-ruhm” from what I can gather.
15:35 There are actually a couple instances of the Ocean dub Westernizing Japanese references, one is referring to the River Sanzu (from Japanese Buddhist mythology) to the River Styx (from Greek mythology). Both are rivers associated with death/the afterlife.
23:21 should probably elaborate on how the Miami dub pronounces "Gintoki". In terms of emphasis it's actually closer to the Japanese, other dubs have it more as "gin-TO-ki" while in the JP/Miami dub it's GIN-to-ki. However I think as a result of taking the stress away from the second syllable, the Miami dub the "o" vowel in in that syllable less defined and sometimes shifted into more of an "uh" sound, so it sounded like "GIN-tuh-key". Gotta keep in mind that Japanese as a language doesn't have as many individual sounds as English does, and obviously the ideal situation would be to get the emphasis and vowel spot-on.
24:17 - 24:26 Apologies if this gave the implication that the Ocean dub didn't have any humor at all. Abhi may “hate all comedy” but even they know that although some references/puns were lost in translation, there were obviously other comedic aspects of that dub which came through thanks to the work of the actors and staff.
Didn't YYH also translate Sanzu River to River Styx? I never got too far into that show but I remember the dub mentioning the River Styx but I later learned that King Emma (and King Yemma from DBZ) was based on King Yama of Buddhist religion and the whole afterlife system in YYH (and DBZ) was based on Buddhism and I learned about the Sanzu River from researching Power Rangers Samurai of all things (and yet Ninja Steel calls what should have been "substitution jitsu" "ninja scarecrow technique").
@@mattwo7 yup the YYH dub had it as Styx while others like Ghost Stories and Hells had it as Sanzu
You should review dub of slayers series.
@@TheCartoonCipher Can you review the SpongeBob Japanese dub. I've actually heard some interesting things about it like: Plankton ,Patrick and Mermaid man's voices being female, changes to the outro, changes to voices after both movies ,etc. Or maybe just Japanese interpretations of western cartoons in general. like Powerpuff girls Z.
Where do I find ocean dub gintama
Gintama deserves the "Ghost Stories" level of dub but the world ain't ready for that.
Thats too much expectations the world will end after that
You're asking for the apocalypse here fam
@@VortexDS Even an apocalypse would pale in comparison to that. Hence I said, The world ain't ready.
@Janeiro I Shit dub?! What are you talking about?
That shit was legendary! Not too many studios have the b*lls to do that nowadays.
Maybe you were too sensitive for that dub. Anyways if you don't enjoy dubs then stick to subs ;)
Ranting won't help.
Oh and don't take jokes seriously.
Peace!
@Janeiro I Do you even know why Ghost stories dub came to be? Or are you ranting because you found it highly offensive. Perhaps you don't know that no one gives a shit about the original GS sub and the English dub was the only great thing about that show. So comparing Bleach and E7 dubs with GS is ridiculous.
As someone who was reading Gintama when it was getting animated in the first place, I could see it work as a abridged series style of humor.
Ghost Stories level of abridgement?
The fact that people actually tried dubbing Gintama deserves praise on a small level lmfao
I wholeheartedly agree that Gintama, even in Japanese, sounds like an abridged series.
Aside from the dramatic plots of Gintoki & everyone dealing with the aftermath of an intergalactic war, most of the series has pop culture references, 4th wall meta jokes, BDSM & toilet humor, and a Gorilla for a manga artist.
Might as well embrace it for localization. Kinda hope they do that moving forward.
This must be hands down the hardest anime ever to translate especially the early episodes with ask the Japanese political and Japanese pop culture jokes. It would be like trying to translate south park or family guy or Robot chicken. Most jokes and some entire episodes won't work
Edit: horrible auto correct typos
i feel like the monogatari series is up there as well
@@rei8182 yea definitely
I disagree. Yes, there are many Japanese cultural references that most people around the world wouldn't know or understand at layman's glace of Gintama, but that is also why it needs to be dubbed.
People will research the context naturally, go to forums, learn about each reference within each episode, and be educated on Japanese cultural references within the show much like people already do around the world with Family Guy and Robot Chicken when they watch it and find it interesting as well
Gintama continues to remain an enigma for me. How it manages to have so many meta references and potty humor in a serious heart-wrenching story is genuinely amazing.
They can do like the italian dub where they changed all the jokes based from Japan pop culture in jokes based from italian pop culture
I'm saddened to hear the dub analysis videos don't make you as much money. Those are my favourites. Please don't stop them.
The ocean dub is a perfect example of why I want them to do more work in anime
Yessir
Exactly
The Japanese is probably always going to reign supreme for this series specifically, but the Ocean dub was by far the best attempt. Honestly, if they just got that cast and crew together to do the rest of the series, and maybe redo the movies, I think it'd be the best dub we could hope for for Gintama.
Ocean dub was the best
I hope there's a quick note on the Gintama the Final movie dub.
You're in luck
When the movie was dubbed I actually was looking forward to the Miami dub the most. Roly Gutierrez made a really good Gintoki. Just that he sounds the most like sugita and his line delivery had the best potential for growth. Roly recently fandubbed a scene with Takasugis Miami dub VA. It was Gintoki v Takasugi in Shogun Assassination and it turned out really good. Had me excited if hulu ever continued Gintama where they left off.
The cast eleven arts with is still good. Michael was great during comedy episodes. This video is making me want to buy tickets for the dub and then watch the sub on the same day.
I do think the localization approach the Miami dub made is good. But I also like how Crunchyroll handles the script too. I think I would like a dub that was on a middle ground to what these two dubs did
The day there's a Gintama dub, in any language, that "works" is when I'll stop being a MADAO, get a job and move out of my tangerine cardboard box. But until then I have my dog and my radio, and nothing else worthy in the world.
Really really thank you for covering this series! even if not that big, im glad you're exposing it more to other people!!
1:28 just a brief reminder that I for one am here for the dub commentary, cuz you're the only ones who do it! Please please do not stop~
Speaking as the odd anime fan who never saw Gintama aside one episode or so subbed, frankly, this is why. There's never been a clear entry point for a fan who generally wants to watch dubs and the obtuse humor being the point is... well a niche opinion. Unsurprisingly I'm on the side of taking even more liberties (maybe short of changing entire character names, which seems out of vogue nowadays) - but a fascinating and useful chronicle of what's been happening to this series over the years. Wish we could get some idea of why the localization attempts were so scattered...
There actually KINDA is a reason that Cartoon Cipher didn't mention, Sentai didn't just license the first movie they did in fact license the TV series and released the first 49 episodes across 4 sub-only DVD sets and there was a tweet from Funimation back when Gintama first got announced where they said they just couldn't get the license to the first 2 series which is why they started with series 3. This next part is speculation on my end but I would guess Sentai still had the license to those first 250 episodes which is why CR and Funi didn't start at the beginning and Sentai just knew they were gonna do nothing with the license so TV Tokyo themselves just decided to commission a dub themselves and release that on Hulu since Sentai still had the license and wanted to let it expire. It might've expired by now so maybe/hopefully now that CR and Funi are partners again they'll actually go and commission Ocean once again to dub the rest of the anime
NGL I like the UG dub because it reminds me some of dubs from ADV in the 90s and early 2000s (Eva, Blue Seed, Excell Saga, etc) when the anime fandom was still pretty small and nascent. It has this quirky, semi-amateurish yet appealing style about it that drives home how much these people are trying their best to make a watchable experience; and but I'm happy that the localisation work went to a small group in Miami rather than to the umbrella of Sony/Funimation. I honestly think it makes the show more fun to watch.
Also, I'm from Kentucky, so the possibility that "Gintoki Fried Chicken" is an allowable pun fills me with glee.
@Janeiro I I'm not sure what was ignorant and I can assure you I have seen good quality dubs. And I agree with what you've said. I'm under no illusion that there were not quality dubs in that time period. But at the same time the industry was much less systematized than it is today which allowed for a range of smaller licensors and VA studios as well as the main ones (Pioneer particularly), and that this dub reminds me of that since they are a smaller studio, which means they are going to have a bit more difficulty than Funimation or any other big VA studio, which I think is really interesting.
*comes in picking nose after crashing scooter into wall* "A series that was cancelled 6 times was gifted with about 4 dubs. If I was English, I would probably use the word 'ironic' to describe that. Which is incorrect, which is why I'm not English. What's it matter language we say stuff in? The lawyers are ready to jump on us for whatever we say, regardless. And the people at The Cartoon Cipher watch Gintama?......Nah. Nah nah nah nah. Everyone knows no one actually watches Gintama. That segment in front of Yorozuya wasn't a clever reference for longtime fans. They were just saving time on the editing. Some people. Always looking to cut corners. Everyone knows Bandai Namco pays people off to watch our series. Talk about throwing money down the drain. If they really wanted to see a return on their investment, they should've given it to me. I would've doubled it in an afternoon. No, tripled it. I can feel the good luck in my pachinko hand, and the hand of the Luck Goddess on my ch*nko. Zura, anything to add?"
5:07 "Catsura janai! Katsura da!"
"Well said, as always."
Lol Gintama is impossible to dub. Even subbing Gintama is a difficult task.
11:50 Akira slide. _Of course_ this show has an Akira slide.
Great video. I feel that the Ocean dub thus far was the best rendition of getting a decent Gintama dub. Not that the others didn't try their best but they did fall flat in a lot of cases. Looking forward to seeing the movie in dub, and how they do with it. Hopefully this'll open the doors for more Gintama dubbing opportunities in the future, like dubbing the entire series this time and not just parts of it🙂🤷🏾♂️
I really liked Hulu's Gintoki's voice actor, the Strawberry Milky speech speaks to me
As an editor myself.. Youre editing is fucking phenomenal, on another level. Jesus christ. I gotta step my game up! so cinematic, so fantastic. Subed
Wow, I never thought the day would come when you guys would make a video about the Gintama dubs. Overall, I agree with a lot of your points. Maybe I'm biased as a Canadian, but for me the Ocean dub was by far the best one, and I'm gutted that they never got the chance to do the rest of the series. With that said, I'm pretty annoyed that Eleven Arts commissioned Sentai to do the movie for the Very Final. In the Gintama fandom, the Sentai dub is not seen in a good light *at all*, and the Ocean dub is the definite favourite. I wish the Ocean cast got to dub these characters one last time. They had 50ish episodes of experience compared to the Sentai actors who did one movie, and a rather poor job at it. I'm going to watch both the dub and sub in theatres (as Gintama is my favourite manga/anime of all time), so I really hope you're right about the Sentai actors improving. I'd rather just have a separate movie dubbed by the Ocean cast, but meh...
Anyway, thanks a lot for covering the Gintama dubs!
Haha thank you glad you liked it! Yeah if you're super attached to the Ocean cast The Very Final might not live up to it even tho it's definitely better than the old Sentai dub haha. I think the various side characters were the Ocean dub's greatest strength and I miss them too...
The hulu dub was my first experience with Gintama and even though it's not the highest quality, I definitely enjoyed every second of it
It hooked me onto Gintoki's sarcastic personality as much as the original would've, I even had a small phase where I'd try talking like him, I was so addicted to the vibe he gave off
But nonetheless, I'm happy with Gintama subbed as well
I personally want the hulu dub to continue, but if there ever will be another dub, and hopefully one that does the entire series chronologically, and does it's best to handle hard to translate jokes (even if they had to resort to 4th wall breaking and stuff, which I personally would not mind one bit)
There's one thing I ask for
You know the va that voiced Roy Mustang in FMA's dub?
Put him on Hijikata I swear to god
I love Chris Patton, I wish he was in more dubs. His work in NHK was some of my favourite voice acting period.
I'll admit the big takeaway I have from this video is definitely that the Miami dub is better than I thought along with the Ocean dub not being the perfect dub I thought it was. I formed my opinion on both based off of the initial episodes I saw of both (in my defense usually English dubs don't dip super bad partway through so I thought it was a safe assumption) I also don't shit on the Miami dub much anymore anyway just due to that Gintoki VA clearly being humble and saying he would do much better if he had the chance again (which I fully believe) Really the only problem I have at this point is just the very basic fact that we never really will get a properly handled dub. That bit where you mentioned Gintoki's Japanese VA having a somber tone due to it being the true last thing he'll ever record for that character is something that will likely never be felt in that movie by the English VAs especially now. There's also just the fact that at this point BEST CASE scenario we'll get a completed dub with the Ocean cast, and if I'm being honest that's the only thing I can really accept unless literally EVERYTHING is redubbed including the final which obviously isn't happening. I hate watching anime subtitled with a burning passion (not saying subs themselves or people who watch them are bad) and I know I would love Gintama unconditionally, so it's a massive shame I may never get to experience one of the greatest anime ever fully in my preferred anime consumption method. Here's hoping Ocean can do a full dub one day I guess. At least we have what already exists
2:54 I do not envy the man responsible for directing the dub to Prisma Illya.
I was gonna make a video about how I think a good Gintama Dub should embrace the 4th wall and make not only jokes more contemporary and for more for an occidental audience, but also being self aware that it's not only an anime, but the Gintama dub. A dub of a show of more than a decade ago that's difficult to do.... but this video already exits, and I love that someone else is doing it justice
Yeah honestly that may as well be the best approach but of course it's gonna be dependent on the timing as that's pretty important for comedy. There are some obscure references that are pretty blatant though so it would still be challenging to do. I just want it to be done well and with respect. I used to think the Miami dub was trash but I clearly see its strengths and what it accomplished even if it was amateur, which makes me hate the Sentai dub of the first film even more because of how bastardized the script and voice direction is. I'm seeing the final movie in theaters on Sunday as I type this but I'm not seeing it dubbed considering most of the cast is Sentai even if the core cast is from Canada. It just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Plus nothing will truly top the OG cast since they're very core to the experience.
They should go full Ghost Stories dub
I remember being terrified of Bobobobobobo as a child due to how out there it as. I probably would enjoy it now.
I’m all sub but I did put on the Soul Swap arc in dub just to see what it was like. Which made absolutely no difference to me because I wasn’t familiar with the English cast in the first place 😂.
I lost it at Maya Sizitzy so they were definitely doing something right. This was an amazing video!
I'd love to see a discussion on the Lupin III dubs, there's so many of them and only recently has TMS put together a consistent cast for their productions.
I second that motion.
I absolutely LOVE LOVE Gintama so much and I grew up watching anime sub only, so the world of English dub is very new to me. I don't know if I should muster the courage to watch The Final in its dub (I bought the blu ray!), because watching the Japanese cast perform was...extremely intense. I cried very hard. I'm kinda scared to see the dub at this point lol
This was a very interesting and in-depth discussion about the Gintama dub! I always did wonder why only parts of it had an English dub and I just kinda assumed that Gintama itself wasn't popular enough in English-speaking countries to warrant a full dub. From what I've seen in this video, the Gintoki dub by Roly Gutierrez sounded really, really good. It makes me very curious to watch the movie, even though I know he's not in it for that one. Ugh, I miss Gintama already.
I finished Gintama last month, and yeah, dubbing it is so hard
Honestly I believe any comedy relying heavily on references to an obscure cultural thing or similar is a pain to translate to a dub. If any company/organization/group with limited restrictions I would love to see how Teamfourstar interpreters the material, I wouldn't want them to abridge the show but let them add more cultural references that a dub audience would get in the end. I doubt a fully precis dub would work as well as one with a bit more "Western" influences would work, as any media interpreted for a different language and audience would do. Honestly I have kept my distance for this reason and doubt that any studio can do it justice but if anyone ever does do try a dub from the start of the show and go on to the end I wish them the best and hope it turns out great.
The season 1 dubbing for Gintama is the only English dubbing that was actually good. I just didn’t like how they pronounced Gintoki’s name and changed Katura’s nick name. Other than that though the dubbing was good. All of the English voice actors in season 1 in my opinion were the best voices. I hope someday they re-dub Gintama with the season 1 voices. Mostly what the season 1 English voice actors would have to do is practice pronouncing the names better, especially Gintoki’s and change Katsura’s nick name back to Zura and they’re all set.
Gintama is a weird beast to begin with. the dubs basically had no chance of landing. Heck the subtitle some times have problem
Gintama dub sounds like an abridged series.
About the Hulu Gintama dub, before Anime News Network reveal the English dub announcement on November 24, 2019, 16 day ago, Hulu add the the English dub of Episode one part 1 of Gintama on November 8, 2019, before the full dub got release on December 1, 2019, part 2 was not added at that time, The first episode part 1 of the Gintama dub was on Hulu for few days before it was remove on November 15, 2019.
21:13 I’d take Cobra over Casserole any day. At least Cobra kindaaaaa works for that one scene towards the end.
Actually, y’know what, I think the best translation of the Zura thing is just Zoo. It’s stupid enough that in-character Zura would hate it, it fits with the theme of that one scene later on of Zura going ape, and leaves an extra lip flap for the dubbers to work with. Miss out on all the wig jokes but hey, can’t have everything.
0:24 that transition from Live and Learn to Pray tho
The pauses are more awkward when the characters aren't even looking at the camera
They did fk up Katsuras man a million times in the original so maybe that was intentional. He was called katsudon Katsuro and many other Katsus I can't remember. I'm surprised they almost have the right idea the way they break the 4th wall.
2015 Gintama voice actor are amazing
Very good analysis.
Benizakura arc was the first action oriented arc so I do understand why they decided to give a first shot with a movie and not series.
13:32 Is the subtitles saying pneumonics here intentional?
oops lol
Where do you find all the dubs? I can only find the first 50 episodes =(
I came here for answers man I’m gonna crie😭😭😭
Return of the King
Idk why the "dickhead bomb" line had me dying, lmao.
I’ve watched the final movie around 26 times now I’m sad that there will be no more strawberry milk lovers in my anime
The ゜is known as the "handakuten" and it's used for the はひふへほ family where initially having the H consonant (except forふ/fu) changes to the P consonant. As for why it's called Gintama゜, just Gintama being Gintama.
Thank you, Toei. Goodbye, Seven Arts. And to all the voice casts - congratulations.
As always, I enjoy watching your videos. They're just a lot of fun and informative. Thou, I don't plan to see this movie as I've only watched a few episodes and I just don't want to see a film to something that I only know little of. Maybe if a DVD/Bluray comes out and I have seen more, then perhaps I will.
Thanks for doing this video, but I'll definitely watch the sub when I get around to watching Gintama.
The irony is that Gintama is even dubbed in English
Man, western anime fans gotta discover gintama NOW. Been waiting too long
Gintama fans dub in my country is surprisingly good! I kinda proud bcs the cursed language is just fit well in our language
Oh i'm Indonesian btw- there's example IND dub of gintama in youtube, but sadly it's just a fans dub and only dub the recommended eps.
That is why I like translator notes I want to explore and learn about japanese dick puns. You would need very charismatic va's who really care about gintama and who have the time to do research on the cultural refences to nail them which is a big ask. You would also need giga brained translators and a lot of transparence with the community which are also big asks.
For jokes that are untranslatable and can not be worked around they should definably have 4th wall break, or have a reoccurring gag about how the translators and localizers are suffering. Gintama has many moments where at the start of an episode the characters talk over a shot of the oddjobs building and they could include that in their.
You can probably include a gag of the va's trying to sing the op in english.
TThe Ocean dub is my favourite, one key reason is it is the only one in English where I don't dislike Shinpachis voice.
Cole Howard deserved an award for being the best English Shinpachi voice hands down. I feel out of all the Gintama characters he's the hardest to get right.
I love Hasegawa’s generic surfer dude bro’s voice for one of his dubs. It’s so bad it’s good. For me at least.
Have been watching and reading it for years and I enjoy the fact
We have so many different ways to enjoy gintama is amazing to me it was amazing wen I found the Sub back in the day and getting a dub was crazy to me then as it is now
And if I ware to have the control over a dubbed at all I would make the perfect cast choices as a huge Chris Patton fan I would ask him to play gintoik and then after that I would focus on marketing the show to the right people
Benizakura dub Shinpachi sounds like an abridged parody version of Shinpachi but like, in a bad way.
I think they should have had bonus episodes or endings that explained Japanese pop culture, the manga was a decent way to understand some of it because they can just add text or small notes but for an anime that can get distracting
I smell a parody song.
"How do you solve a problem like Maria?"
How do you dub an anime like Gintama?
you really don't wanna hear either of us trying to sing haha
Me waiting for gintama season 12
And dont want it ended
Yes Zura
Me too
“Certain lawsuit?”
for me the Miami dub introduced me to Gintoki , and I was hooked on his character and got me simping over Kagura and annoyed at Shinpachi , and wanting Prince Hata to die every time he was on screen
12:36 Yeahhh no he's been deconstruction those tropes and essentially wrote a story about an empty man regaining meaning into his life after losing everything
I see how difficult is to make sound the character similar to the jappanise version in english luckely It Is much easier to do so in italian and cause of it we recently got the full series dubbed
Is it possible for you guys to do a video on Black Lagoon's dub? Now that would be really ahem.....interesting lol
Very nice. As ESL I don't mind hal ass dub as long it's consistent and the joke still there
Oh wow gins crazy stalker chic is haruko from FLCL
Gintama should be dubbed loyal to the manga/anime. Especially with the jokes that don't translate well. the japanese subs had it right detailing the necessary references each joke has
8:36 Sounds more like ouat than oat?
8:38 Sounds like sory, failing to pronounce the second r, rather than sorey too.
I picked up Gintama after finishing Naruto and getting to around 850 in One Piece. Ik it had been around for a long while so when I got to episode 50 and it was no longer in dub I was shook.
My friend keeps telling me to stop watching shows in dub cuz this happens a lot. Quite sad. Especially since it's been a year since this video has come out.
I was watching this anime a few day's ago and i know gintama make alot of anime references but i honestly was not expecting a lupin the 3rd reference 😵🤣
I just saw that episode last night lol
18:39 ohhhhhh no wonder hulu only has the first 49 episodes. Still upset that they don't even have the whole series.
21:14 Zura ja nai captain cobra da lol
I listen to you because
You make every nice videos about dubs
And l love me my dubs
I think it needs the gag dub treatment, but the licensors won't let it happen
I just want them to dub all of the episodes.
Why is there only 49 Episodes Dubbed of 201 of season 1.
Because the dub is awful
Hahahahahahah “gintoki” to “Kentucky” I can’t
I don't know why you unlove my last comment about the Hulu Gintama dub, I did not tell you this, but I am telling the truth, I actually saw the English dub of Episode one part 1 of Gintama on Hulu back in November 8, 2019, and no one was talking about it, No one know the dub existed back in November 8 to 23, because only 43 million people subscribe to Hulu and hardly anyone saw the dub back in early November, I was one of the few people to see the Episode one part 1 of Gintama Hulu dub first, before the full dub got release. I was a Hulu subscriber, and I remember finding the show on Hulu after going through network and finding TV Tokyo, and I soon when on it and found the Gintama dub list it on Hulu on November 8, So I watch Part 1 of the first episode before it was remove by Hulu, and I try to look up the Hulu dub of Gintama after it was remove on November 15 to see if people are talking about it and guess what, no one was talking about it.
People will soon start talking about the Gintama Hulu dub after Anime News Network announce the dub on November 23.
Sorry I have fat fingers :/ probably pressed it twice on mobile
@@TheCartoonCipher Oh, Ok.
The tetsusko killed me
So what do you know if they are going to dub season 2 & 4 & the movies?
I’m very curious the first season has Gintama English dubs of the season don’t have no dubs at all what the hell is going on if you can tell me what is going on and tell me if they’re gonna eventually get it down the line which don’t look like it but to me is kind of irritating because it is a good anime and it makes no damn sense to me
23:31 Sakamoto had that issue too
I don't think a dub is possible but if I have to say then I say the important thing is the soul of the show if they can preserve that some who it can be a decent dub
The dub would have to have footnotes for it to work. Though needless to say, the experience wouldn't be as smooth as if you were a native Japanese watcher.
I dont get it. why do people always talk about the "translation" being the issue when it's literally subbed meaning it's already english they just have to follow the subtitles. Makes absolutely no sense why translation would be an issue.
I can't find the sentai movie dub anywhere onlien, it's like it never existed/scrubbed from history
Will you do the alternate Fairy Tail dub, it is very little known. It was terrible...
7:10 has me cracking up 😂
I heard the Kingdom Hearts music in the video lol
>Sentai mispronounces names.
"wth sentai come on"
>Miami pronounces Gintoki's name almost immaculately
"c'mon guys it sounds like kentucky lmao"
Pick one, because you can't have it both ways, unless you wanna be a hypocrite.
Yeah fair enough. The Miami dub's emphasis is more accurate to the Japanese by stressing the 1st syllable rather than the 2nd, the other dubs don't do that afaik. But I think a consequence of that is that since the "to" gets less emphasis than the "Gin" in the Miami dub, the vowel becomes more vague and sounds more like an "uh" than an "oh".
I'll update the pinned comment to add that info.
@@TheCartoonCipher I think the takeway should perhaps be that accurately pronouncing japanese names isn't that important for a dub compared to having a good script and good performances. Gintoki being pronounced correctly doesn't really do much to make the Miami dub better. While on the other hand, a really good dub like Steins;Gate can pronounce Okabe as Oukabae while detracting nothing from the overall experience.
Subject to some personal opinion of course, and I'm definitely a hypocrite in this regard myself to some extent (the UBW reading Tohsaka as "Toesaka" for instance was a big part of why I switched to subs), but still some food for thought.
@@storotso Hard disagree on the pronunciation part. To me with any name you have to be accurate and pronounce someone's name correctly out of respect, fictional or otherwise. I get not everyone speaks a foreign language but an effort should be placed there. If the anime character is say, Joseph Joestar then it may not be a deal breaker, but for a specifically Japanese name you need to be aware. I feel people are afraid of being corrected when they get a name wrong when really they should be encouraged to get it right.
@@RoboticEdward In the Naruto dub, there's two ways they pronounced Naruto. Narr-u-to, or Na-duto (more on the Japanese pronounication, Sasuke usually says it this way, as well as a few other characters). The wrong way to pronounce Naruto is the stressing of the RU like a lot of people unfortunately do in Na-RUU-to. '
And what's really interesting is that therre is a Vinland Saga anime where there's two dubs. The show is about vikings, and the two dubs go about completely appoarch in pronoincation of names (not just characters but places, etc). n One is how most English speakers wouldd say the names, and the others would be more historically correct. So much so, Vikings isn't pronounced like you're used to, it's Vee-kings (which is correct, though I admit it caught me off-guard)
Hulu dub > other dubs. Change my mind. I'd like to see you try.
Is it just me or is it the legendary ghost stories actors in here, they are the ones I'd have the most faith in. Ryan Reynolds wouldve been great with a roll in here also
@Janeiro I but it was funny. Almost south park funny, at that point I don't care about continuity or anything like that
@Janeiro I maybe it shouldn't be the official for the sake of the original but it's almost team4star levels of funny so it should definitely exist and propagate
@Janeiro Iserious question, do u think goldenboy dub or dbz abridged or any abridged is funny
@Janeiro I those are my actual favs. Along with American pie movies (ghost stories) south park, boondocks, Chappelle show, some family Guy. These things made me laugh harder than anything else has in my life. I cried laughing at all of these few things maybe now u can what my brand of comedy is
Can you talk About Kaitou Joker Dub?
Gintama was dubbed in Brazilian Portuguese too, but it was dubbed in Miami... Yes, dubbed in Brazilian Portuguese in Miami. I don't need to say how weird was our dubbed version, do I? 🥲🥲
Haha that's right, I think the English Miami voice of Sakamoto is the Portuguese voice of Katsura?
@lucassantana o pessoal pode dizer que dublagem em inglês é ruim e gintama em inglês tem seus problemas mas a dublagem de gintama em inglês é com certeza melhor que a nossa(não que seja muito difícil)
did the dub ever came guys ?