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Thanks for this! seeing the insides gave me the confidence to open my Warthog up when the POV HAT stopped working. All the other switches still worked correctly so I suspected a broken connection. Sure enough, once I got it open, I found a wire to the POV HAT had gotten entangled in the HAT centering spring and as the spring compressed during movement, it pulled the wire off its solder-point. (I agree it's a little odd to see them exposed in such an otherwise clean build) Quick dab of solder and a little work securing wires to prevent a re-occurrence and it's back at 100%
Theres not so many videos showing a teardown of the stick portion (rather then the gimbal) so thanks for making this a bit easier for me!
No problem. Normally the gimbal is the part that breaks due to use or wear. I hope to continue this series with some new grips that dare coming out soon
I’ve only had the hog just under a year now and it’s been a game changer. Have felt a lot more confident flying with it in all my sims...
And glad to hear your perspective of quality is positive :)
I am however wanting to try the virpil gimbals with cam.
👍
Im honestly scared to google "Noobifier Exposed" with safe search off :T
lol
Thanks for the video, nice job! For future reference though, those "bolts" that you said weren't screws. They actually are screws, to be exact they are socket head cap screws. Just some friendly FYI. Cool video, I just bought a warthog hotas, nice to see how it comes apart before I tear into it and break something lol. Thanks Noobifier.
Nice to know all these details. Thanks, Noobifier!
This has lifted my impressions of the Warthog.
Thanks Noobifer!
The grip is good, the gimbal is plastic. It’s a shame as it is a really expensive set.
Cool vid, this is going to be a fun series!
Besides the Cougar (also TM) The Warthog was effectively the first quality hotas that set the standard on the market. Brands like VKB and Virpil are taking things a tier higher, but you are also paying extra for it. You can get a Hotas set for like $430 or either the stick and throttle for about $200 on Amazon during a special. Not the best but a great start would be my vote. I've lost count how many years I've had mine and it still centers fine. I think people have a natural tenancy to twist the stick during use which can break it.
Yup noticing some extra wear in the gimbal due to that may have to buy a backup because of that unf.
So...ahh...if your lookin' to give away that invalid warranty Warthog... lol...
The Warthog is made of Zamak, a Zinc alloy. If it was made from diecast aluminum it would be much lighter. Also you can tell it's zamak because the exposed metal has a darker gray color to it. Aluminum would be shinier.
Ok
@@NOOBIFIER1337 So have you corrected your video? Big difference between Zamak and Aluminium. Zinc alloy is much more likely to break or crack than aluminium on impact of any kind. Important consumer information that.
It’s not really possible in the current way RUclips operates.
TheNOOBIFIER1337 it possible to add labels or captions. The metal is low quality and many grips crack after some years. Specially the tailpipe that connects the grip to the base.
Besides you didn’t mention anything about the gimbal which is all plastic and can also fail and tends to have “stiction” problems.
This was just a review of the grip. I have 3 grips. I have never seen one come apart. It is impossible to add captions to RUclips.
I love that you forfeit the warranty for us viewers. I would for sure love a de-warrantied warthog. If it works, then no worries.
I use a warthog stick with the VPC WarBRD base and CosmoSim Cams No Center Axis Detent. And I love it. Much better than the standard warthog base.
Do you still have access to all of your Warthog buttons? Namely the CMS down (push directly down) button?
I'm thinking of doing the same thing down the line and just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. I don't want to lose any functionality on the Warthog grip and F-18 grip.
Do the Warthog Throttle. I'm interested in the modding potential.
Excellent breakdown.
Man, I do love my Warthog. I really wish the manufacturer made a lefty! I do have some concerns about the synthetic guts in the base, and I find it curious they chose to use synthetic in the base given the grip is cast aluminum. You'd think they would use the metal on the parts that actually experience wear and tear. The grip itself really shouldn't degrade depending on the load you apply to control surfaces.
Thanks for this vid. Gives me the confidence to take my A-10 stick apart and repair the pinky switch which went inop after less than a year. I've seen several net references to this happening. That said, it is a quality piece of gear which I would recommend. I sprang for the F-18 add on handle and like it a lot, though the pinky button is very stiff. I tried a green spring to soften the axis stiffness, but found it too weak and it wouldn't center the stick. The shortest extension was the solution and I can highly recommend that. FWIW.
That poor warranty never stood a chance...
The one thing that's wrong is that it's made of pot metal, not aluminum. If you drop it, pot metal could shatter like glass. It's also very hard to repair . On mine the hinge for the paddle broke twice. JBWeld works good because pot metal is so porous there's a lot of surface area to grab. The soldering on the switches was horrible.
I have move to a Virpil throttle and a CM2 base and will be getting a grip and selling off my Warthog.
I love the grip complaint is in the gimbal base
Well, it is a pretty big blocker to long term usefulness. Not many put it on any other gimbal .
Just to add, for anyone thinking of buying a second hand one, the push button switches are very cheap, and will start to stick to the on position after a few years, usually once your warranty runs out. I'm talking about the pickle, thumb, lever and pinkie button. There is no way to repair these buttons, as they seem to be sealed. Thrustmaster will charge you £30 per button, for replacement. But you can order OTTO buttons from mouser.co.uk. Which are the original military spec buttons P1's or preferably P8's, but the P8 buttons are hard to find, these have a shorter body, and make fitting them easier, without modification. Thrustmaster really should have gone that little bit extra on these buttons. The Throttle buttons will die first, so in total thats 7 buttons, at £15 each from mouser. But do your research on them make sure you get the correct size and type. The 3 throttle buttons are of different design to the ones on the stick, www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/603/Otto_P1_Sealed_Military_Pushbuttons-1214958.pdf
nice vid, would have been nice to disassembly the gimbal too.
Nice! I really like the idea of it being made of aluminum, call me old school.
Instead of cutting them open, just send them my way :-). Another great vid.
Hi, thank you for your video. I just received my warthog, but the grey POV hat on the grip doesn't work properly : only the right side works, the left side doesn't respond at all. Do you have an idea about the problem? I used the device analyzer.
never had a problem with the stick but the base was near useless once it got sticky
The base is plastic so not shocked
I chuckled hearing there is no way they would know you broke the warranty... with all the parts neatly disassembled on the desk...
Old school look! Very nice.
Not sure how long I've had my grip. I got the very first one in Canada. I'd say 9 years. The grip's red trigger has paint worn off where the index finger sits. The bottom two hat switches (thumb) also have lost some paint due to wear. I've flown just about every week, maybe two or three times a week. The paint is partially worn off because I use those buttons so much. The only thing that come close to the quality of the grip sits inside a real A-10C. That's the grip.
The base (and specifically the gimbal) is not anywhere near that quality. I have a second NEW stick because the first one's gimbal got so much stiction that it could not be used anymore. (Yeah, I fly a lot.) The second gimbal is now showing stiction. That's after only a couple months of flying. The gimbal is made of PLASTIC and that's what takes the entire load of the stick. There are fixes to the gimbal but you have to be crazy to disassemble one and get it back in smooth motion again. I'm still working on my repair to the first stick.
Hope this helps everyone.
The stick is great. Great ergonomy and great feel. Although I think the 4way hat located under the thumb should be a little bit harder/longer to push. I accidentaly push it either way while flying. Base is the problem here. Stiction and spring being to stiff problem out of the box, unless you mod it. But who would wait for 2 years for warranty. If you can afford it buy Virpil/Vkb base.
Why are you wearing cadpat tunic in one of those shots lol...
Rfcdgaf is this a legit question?
Nice man
My DMS has stopped working unless a lot of pressure is done to it, this started to happen about 2 years in, and atm is just a PITA. The CMS sticks in place sometimes, specially sideways and into the grip, so, CMS RIGHT. The base of the grip failed within a few months, I had to replace some wires because they broke from moving. This also caused a short, which fried one of the "protections" on the base, which are some sort of in-board fuse, I soldered around the fuse, so, basically its not protected anymore but at least it works. Sticktion was a major problem too, I had to dissassemble it and completely sand it perfectly, and reassemble it with some proper aeronautical lube (Jabbers has made a video with what I did since then, he used the same exact method, same lube, etc). Mine is from 2016. Since yours is much older, I wonder if newer ones suck?
The build quality on Virpil has improved. The generations can be seen by the colour of the PCBs. Green was gen 1. They switched to red and now they use blue on their newest. No more hot glue needed as everything is made to fit. Wiring is simple now as well with fewer connectors. BTW.. I have not used any thrustmaster products since 2016. As soon as I saw the interior of the TMWH being all plastic, I was like.. no, never..
@@NOOBIFIER1337 right, i didnt know that. Mine is green I believe, so that makes sense
Do you have a teardown of the base?
Very nice series of exposed joystick videos , can you do the Logitech X56 H.O.T.A.S. (newer version without the blue coloring) next please?
I'm strongly considering getting a Virpril base and stick, and also getting this stick (without its base) since the grip works on Virpil bases. A guy said he was able to get one from Thrustmaster for $100, no way to know if that's true, or if they'd do it again. Virpil is also very soon dropping another batch of products to the NA store (if they haven't already), so...
WarBRD Base and this Grip work fine, you can juice up the springs a bit and it deals with the mass no problem
can you do a vid like this bud than on the warthog throttle ?
Peter Bakker it is possible, I will make a spoiler though, it’s 100% plastic inside
I agree with your assessment. I tested the HOTAS for the weekend. I loved the feel of the stick. The buttons were a bit stiff but I figure that's so you don't accidentally trigger them. I did not like the throttle for SC. I am a fan of having an analog axis on my left thumb and it could not give that. Still looking for that perfect throttle with a center detent and analog thumb stick.
I think the Virpil have all of that: the throttle have 4x 4-way hat on the handles it self and if you use it for strafe action it will be good as much (if not even better) than an analog stick...
I'm looking forward to it, while wayting for a stick that have a lots of button AND a twist z-axis...
Cugino are they analog hats? I have been using an analog stick on my CH throttle for years and it’s awesome. Binary on off just does not do it for me
@@DamianInman Dont' know for sure (I don't have it), but sice the site report them as a 4-way HAT the are probably on/off type...
Noobifier has it, he can provide better detail on this aspect
Bottom looks like casted aluminum
It’s pretty rudimentary
Ayyyyy :D
hmmmm gotcha.
I'm just curious if there could be a HOTAS that scores 10 in all areas.
Arvid I don’t know if one yet
A nice approach for some constructive comments, I'd say you out done yourself here. I know there are a bunch of critics for the Warthog but personally I love it. Throttle comments coming later? For it's age on the market, way before any recent competitors, a solid stick.
I might expand the series to other stuff
3:45 lol who wears cadpat in the house...
Well, I came home and was so excited to get the parcel that AI took a picture
It's a great HOTAS but not suitable for every game. I mainly use this with my DCS World simulation where the super heavy action of this stick is more suitable.
Have you done one of these teardown on the Warthog Throttle?
I have not sorry. How can I help?
I got one. the grips 10/10 but the base isn't. maybe 5/10. I don't like the spring setup . Too strong and the gimbal can be a bit sticky/ clunky. Its better than the Cougar though. Im looking at a VKB Kosmosima to replace it once that's actually buyable.
Nyogel 767a will make your TM base last longer and feel better. Do a youtube search to get a feel for what I'm talking about. I got a tube on amazon for $30, and greased my TM 16k Hotas set. Both the stick and the throttle feel better, 16k throttles are fairly sticky when first purchased, the grease was a definite improvement.
I'm fairly happy with the end result, but I'd suggest spending a little time on youtube actually seeing people's results in videos before making a choice of grease. I think some people prefer the slightly less resistant 774 grease. Doing the work wasn't that bad, the stick and the throttle together took maybe 30 minutes of working carefully to do. I doubt your stick is built too differently than my own.
Oh, one other thing. Rather than going with VKB, you might consider Virpil. The Warthog grip works on a Virpil base, no extra work just screw it in. If you like the Warthog grip that is, perhaps you play other flight sims?
How many gimbals have you gone through? The quality of the grip may be overridden if it kills gimbals faster than the alternatives.
I have thrown away three WH gimbals
he mentioned several on his last video. I assume he will do the base part, spring, and adjustments in a later video where we can expect him to crucify this set as he alluded to already.
@@neonspark707 The TMWH gimbal is a hunk of shit that should be launched into the sun.
TheNOOBIFIER1337 love it, Noob says it like it is 👍
I bet it gets a lot more abuse in space sims than it does in flight sims. Also with extensions compared to without them. Not trying to say it's very good or anything, just saying.
If I’m paying that sort of cash I’d much prefer a lighter stick with rotation and more hat/button options. Nice digi camo Noob 👍
My daily “suit” since 1991
The lighter stick will return to centre more quickly/accurately and less dead zone required. “Top mounted weight”
Can you use the thruster for the warthog with a different stick , say an x56? Thinking of buying this in stages
The throttle?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 yeah, the throttle, sri Noob, long duty day.
Warthog is an amazing quality product, but its software ruins my experience.
Yes, target is poop
I never installed it. No problem.
People should be be aware the quality of the grip is IMO, much higher than the gimbal its attached to. Noob covered the WH base in another video, but 99% of users would being getting the grip & plastic gimbal base as a unit. I agree with Noob that 1st impression is reinforced because of the grip weight, but I have found that weight has its drawbacks. After my WH gimbal broke, I put the WH grip on a VKB gladiator pro; which was MUCH better. If using with extension I would prefer a lighter grip; some of that comes from flying helo’s where I don’t want a heavily resistance to counteract the weight of grip.
mtnmist1 agreed. The grip is lovely, the gimbal is a dumpster fire covered in shit
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Pulling no punches there, but absolutely spot on
Perfectly exposed as always ;)
Total garbage. I've had mine just over a year and I've had both hat switches go on the throttle and the flightstick. Warranty in Canada or US only covers 1 year and their shipping is insane 35 euros+. Their support will gladly take your money; $100 for a new button replacement for a $800 hotas I purchased a year ago and barely used recently, tested it recently and poof the another button stopped working. I really regret buying Thrustmaster and not going to Virpil like most people recommended but I just loved that metallic heavy feel and I wanted the authentic model. Too bad the electronics are complete trash and not properly grounded. Oh and it's filled with BPA for those who love cancer.
Alpha Prime is metal.
one kilo handle lol.
I disagree with the buttons, while the hat switches and trigger are qualtiy the momentary buttons have an awful mushy feel.
She is a oldie but a goodie
True. This one is 10 years old
Where throttle disasembly?
It’s all plastic inside
Warthog user here.
The twist axis is really a bummer for games like ED , Arma 3, and SC. That is my one and only hardware complaint. I've used mine for years, and never had a misfire, or any longevity issues.
The software is something I think you should mention in your videos. The Thrustmaster software IMO is junk, and I do not use it at all.
I have to give you props though, your target button is FAR more clean than mine. Yours looks brand new. I guess its time to get a toothbrush to it...sigh.
I cleaned it before the video. Don’t worry about being dirty, I won’t tell anyone
I agree with your eval on the grip...but the giant plastic ball gimbal base. Is a completely different story and in my estimation and experience where the thrustmaster warthog fails. It's really heavy. When the gimbal failed and I used the grip on a vkb gunfighter base it felt very clunky and had to use dual springs on each cam. This review felt safe but inaccurate because you have to buy the base to get the grip. And the base is a toy no matter how solid the grip is.
#SomeBullshit! ThrustMaster HOTAS Warthog INCLUDES THROTTLE...which you did not mention. I wish you had as thorough a tear down on the throttle.
It was a good review of the stick, however, but stick is made of either Zink or pot metal, NOT aluminum.
Thanks,
Chas
The stick is sold solo. Not everyone buys the throttle
TheNOOBIFIER1337 but I would guess that a huge preponderance buy the HOTAS...I’ll give you the fact you didn’t specify HOTAS in your title, but “WARTHOG” certainly implies it. Regards
#nobullshit, but #nothrottle either. :/
o7
omg, who gives a shit about the handle? It's all about the gimble