Notre Dame de Paris Messiaen Dieu Parmi Nous. Cochereau
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2008
- Performed by Pierre Cochereau. Dieu Parmi Nous ('God Among Us') was a popular showpiece at organ concerts in the 60's & 70's. Not so much any more. Maybe because it's fiendishly difficult to play. Or maybe because Messiaen's popularity has waned. He's a very difficult composer to like; it's not sensual music, it's intellectual (in my humble opinion).
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Messiaen is wonderful. When almost nobody else thought that there was nothing else to compose in tonal language, then Messiaen came and showed us all a whole new world. Long live the memory of this great great master.---Luiz
I heard Cochereau live in the late '60's--what a thrill that was!--and have listened to many recordings but have never come across this one...it's just amazing: music, organ, organist...it all defies words.
This is by far the best version of this song I have ever heard. Profoundly powerful.
Yeah!
Messiaen's popularity is far from on the wane: if anything, it is greater than ever. The huge coverage last year helped, with much literature being talked about and even a huge symposium being held. As it is, I've become more interested in Messiaen lately, and have been trying to interest friends.
My father and I once walked into Notre Dame, not knowing that an organ recital was in progress. It seemed as if half the Parisian population was there, and they didn't notice us at all. We had an unforgettable dinner on one of "Les Bateaux Mouches" the same evening. Curious that one's featured at the beginning of the montage. (I've also heard this piece several times in recitals, and it's absolutely overpowering).
i pray this organ can be salvaged from the ruins
Exceptionnel !
Devine. More actual than ever. Thank you.
Divine
Thank you Sir :)
Would we agree that the music is transcendental? If it's popularity has waned, its because taste has all become homogenized in this video distracted age. No one wants to have his intellect challenged. No one can be bothered listening to a piece like this which requires a lot of intellectual engagement by the listener to fully appreciate. The age of instant and painless gratification. I love how Messian toys around at the end of the piece "looking," & pecking around for the right chord, and then finds it. " What was that chord again?....not that one...not that one...oh yea there it is!!!! Then he goes down the pedal to find the right tonic note. The augmented sixth final chord has an eternal timeless nature to it. I think its an augmented 6th..ie C,E,G,A. Sitting at the console I can play that chord and just listen....It has an inner, undulation, beat frequency, and inner ring....The ETERNAL CHORD
That's the most astonishing photo at the end. Aside from the rays of Celestial light, it's the best photo I've seen, showing the Cathedral as a whole.
Great visuals, and, of course, a fantastic work of music. Thanks!
thanks very much for uploading. i've never imagined cochereau play this. i've made my day!
I get goosebumps every time at the coda.
I get them every time at every moment of this piece. My brain gets hyperactive analyzing everything that goes on there... It's like a narcotic.
Astonishingly beautiful!
The best!
This is an ASTOUNDING performance. I disagree with the uploader. This is extremely sensual music and its rendering by Cochereau is the stuff of legends. I doubt Messiaen himself could object to a single note. The finale is extremely satisfying as if trying to signify the extreme power of the idea of resurrection.
My heart goes out to the people of Paris for the loss of this great organ and cathedral!
It is very very very sad!
Angelic
I wish I could tell you, but I'm not sure. I bought the old LP in the early 1980's (I think), &, unlike most of the Cochereau recoridngs, it didn't have the recording date listed. I don't think it was one of the Solstice recordings that Francois Carbou produced, or it would have had the date; mayber it was Philips? In any event, given the date of purchase, it could have well been the '77 recording.
Nonetheless, I realy like your video's and always looking forword what's coming next,so ceep up the good work! Thanks
@ds1868 The 5 1/3 quint is the second upper partial of the 16' pipe series, not the 8'.....
7:25 onwards is something very spectacular indeed! The shimmering colors that beam from those chords is truly breathtaking! I don't really want to use the word 'spiritual' but I do feel like it is appropriate to apply it here!! Epic performance, organ, and cathedral!! In my opinion, this is perhaps the most beautiful piece of organ music ever written!
100% CERTAINLY it is one of the deepest masterpieces in terms of symbolic meaning.
This work is both implicitly and explicitly spiritual. What could possibly be any clearer?
@a55b47 Thanks for posting this wonderful recording. If anything, I'd say Messiaen is far more sensual than intellectual! It's music that needs to be "felt" much more than analysed on an academic or theoretical level.
The part starting at 03:10 ??? like a machine weaving. I just love this piece. Perfect tempo to hear all the nuance. Check out Mozart in the Jungle on Amazon Prime. In one episode they perform Messiaen orchestral pieces at Rikers Island prison. They were written by Messiaen while he was a POW by the Germans in WWII
I'm not sure why so many performers choose to rush the toccata at the end. Have they even bothered to listen the composer playing his own music? It's meditative and prayerful, not stringendo and pushing.
OK!OK! You've convinced me! ;-) I'm keeping my ears (& mind open). But it'll be a while before I can start your experiment. I'm too busy right now uploading all my old LP's.
LP issued by Phonogram / Philips Louviers no 6504 068
Pierre Cochereau really excels in these kind of pieces.
He would otherwise often play to fast, but not here!
Is there any possibility of obtaining this recording in CD actually?
ds, see above ceomment re recording date. Sorry I can't be more help; I got rid of the original LP many years ago, when I transferred all my old LP's to CD (& now CD's are out-of-date ;-)
i understand that it is your opinion that Messiaen is more an "intellectual" composer, but i think that he creates a new spiritual language through his music--something for our time, in particular. you should listen to Turangallila Symphonie--if that isn't sensual, i don't know what is! thanks for posting this piece.
Never liked this piece.
But Cochereau made me change my opinion totally!
Sounds like being horriously difficult to play, I agree that this is why it's not heard so often. It's a perfect piece for an organist to leave a great name at the end of a concert.
Almost sounded like he played a 5th in the pedal at the end.
Rather than saying Messiaen is a "difficult composer to like," I would say that he's an acquired taste. But man, once you acquire it, there's nothing like it!
I would also take issue with your statement that Messiaen's popularity has waned. If anything, since his death his music has become much more frequently performed. (Maybe people feel more comfortable listening to dead composers -- who knows.) I hope you'll keep trying to acquire the taste for his music -- it's worth it!
Believe me, you're not the first person to question my evaluation ;-)
Hehe ;-) Just go with the flow! And avoid Livre d'Orgue (well, apart from Les yeux dans les roues, which is terrifyingly wonderful). May I suggest beginning with the slow mvt of Turangalîla (Jardin du Sommeil d'amour)? Hot, sticky, post-orgasmic stuff...
Dieu parmi nous isn't realy that difficult in comparison with other pieces of Messiaen.
Messiaen wrote in his Technique de mon language musical that he most of all wanted to make beautiful music that moved people,so his intentions were absolutaly not pure intelectual...
@lamsalgado
Perhaps, but my favorites of his works are those he composed before he turned from tonal language. Folks are still writing great tonal music so I find that those who claim they have to look elsewhere for material are mostly self-deceived or lazy or both, not that Messiaen was either. He chose another path but I'm not convinced he couldn't have continued to write great tonal music. This is why I'm not happy with much 20th century+ music. Too often too much ego without God.
To me, Messiaen's music IS actually perfectly tonal. It is only a different type of tonality, other than one we're so used to (alas).
have to say that if you dont find messiaen's music to be sensual you may have missed something - listen to 'o sacrum convivium'. IMO of course.
I guess I'll just have to listen harder ;-).
(Or maybe listen LESS hard.)
I couldn't disagree more! You don't get more sensual than Turangalîla-Symphonie, or the Preludes, or Vision de l'Amen, or many movements of Livre du Saint Sacrement... the list is pretty long.
Granted, OM dabbled in total serialism, but he rejected it.
"He's a very difficult composer to like; it's not sensual music, it's intellectual" This is to be expected from our culture of lust infecting us that has abandoned God/marriage/family that is Messiaen's millieu, whence came civilization.
@dolofonos :
You have no taste at all.
a55b47 dude, Messiaen is not intellectual
He is. As well as sensual.
It depends what you mean by 'tonal' music. I find equally stupid the proposition that brilliant atonal music is not written. And the stuff about 'God' is obviously irrelevant. Atheists write brilliant music all the time - and you would not know which was a believer and which not merely from listening...
What is tonality anyway? A notion of a very, very relative meaning IMHO.
i admire cochereau a lot, but after listening, i'm afraid i have to say he might be too old for this music, and he sounded like virgil fox. :(
nothing wrong with showmanship, but it needs to be tasteful. take Cameron Carpenter - he has a much better taste and technique.
It's the performer and his understanding I'm not liking!
Hehe ;-) Just go with the flow! And avoid Livre d'Orgue (well, apart from Les yeux dans les roues, which is terrifyingly wonderful). May I suggest starting with the slow mvt of Turangalîla (Jardin du Sommeil d'amour)? Post-orgasmic stuff...