Ash Sarkar Calls Out Matt Goodwin On BBC Radio 4
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"Whenever I win fights they call me French. But when I lose they call me Cameroonian." - Francis Ngannou
With this many views, a comment like this deserves thousands of likes, but most dont like hearing or reading the truth, well said and a great quote by Nnganou👏🏽👏🏽
Preach! 👏👏👏
Win or lose, I call him what he is, Cameroonian.
Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he doesn't
@@huepix He's both. I'd wager you're neither.
It's not immigration that's the REAL issue , it's zero social mobility , poverty , austerity , next to no living working class MP's , two tier private/public education system & disempowered working class
Anyone asking poor & working people about anything ??
Love to you
Adam almost but without any thought Jess Philips or Angela Raynor
Yeah, the police are. Questions like: "why did you hurl a brick mate?". Are poor and working-class people all criminals? Gimme a break man. Low social mobility , poverty , and austerity doesn't give anyone the right to join a pogrom.
It's more to do with the racism and demonisation by politicians, media and zionism.
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR how many working class MPs are in the new labour govt little fella? The problem with people like you is that you only see what you want to see, you ignore facts and the truth.
But is there not a fixed supply of housing, a housing crisis and an unprecedented increase in both legal and illegal migration therefore having a direct impact on the demand for housing and therefore a direct impact on social mobility and poverty of the working class in Britain?
Whenever someone from an ethnic minority does something wrong .. discussion about migration ethnicity comes.. Prince Andrew gets a pass 😱
Then let's try to start a counter debate, framing these issues in that light. See what reaction that gets 😂
💯🤣🤦😡
have you heard of the term 'per capita'?
Whenever they do something wrong, the conversation is always about what we can do to make THEM feel safe. It is so tone deaf.
Is Prince Andrew from Rwanda?
A guy from a country that invaded and colonized countries all over the planet, well into the 20th century, bitching about immigration is just surreal.
Spot on with that statement
The Truth
They were spreading civilization ... For example ... Indian population grew from 150 million to 1.4 billion due to adoption of British advances in Sanitation, transport, food and education. No more burning widows on the husband's Hindu funeral pyre! Any thanks??? Native America and Afrika... there is no such thing as a NOBLE SAVAGE ... they'd eat your heart in a NY minute! They were ferociously at tribal warfare since time immemorial... an average lifespan of 39 if they're lucky!!! NEXT
So you would dismiss world economic progress , promoting health and a world order of trade as non consequential?
The tragic legacy of corruption in emerging nations freed from colonial rule is nothing short of a disaster for it's citizens.
@@sonysmith8445India had a 5000 year old civilization and were the richest country in the world. The English went there for those riches. Wtf are you smoking? Your crown jewels didn't come from Essex.
1797 was the last British invasion.
I would rather share this country with immigrants than racists.
They aren’t racist….grow up.
@@ashfield1425 they are, grow up and see the reality. Ofcourse if they are the same as you then you would not accept that assessment.
@@ashfield1425they are protesting injustice, I suppose. That's why there was so much unrest when the black boy got impaled with a sword by that white guy. Wait, sorry, they were nowhere to be found.
Thats cause you lack critical thinking.
Me too ✋
I’m sorry, you can’t have your cake and eat it.
So on one hand they are claiming Rwanda is a safe place to send asylum seekers, but on the other hand they claim that the culture of the Rwandan people is so bad that the British born son of Rwandan parents is so influenced by his parents culture that he killed three children and maimed many others.
So is Rwanda safe?
Now you and I both know that this has nothing to do with cultural or racial differences. It is an independent act by a lone aggressor. Unlike the riots that have happened over the past week. That was culture. British culture, a subset of the British people’s culture yes, but culture all the same.
and Islamists riots, Roma riots ?
Which 'islamist' riots?@@BENTWOONEZERO
This is an outstanding point. Well done.
good argument ...the safe country tag was lost in the mudslinging so well spotted...they all seem to chose what angle to report but in the end its covert racism
There have been a series of these acts over the last 20 years.
As a British Indian I always feel like I'm treated as an outsider in the UK. But what's really messed up is when I go back to visit India, I'm also viewed as an outsider there too lol Basically feel like I'm not wanted anywhere 🤷
This is part of the problem of settler-colonization. Colonized people have to morph into nationalists and assimilate into the original settler-colonial society but that society still retains its privilege because British colonization has been based on their racial superiority and purity despite all evidence to the contrary.
I'm British Bangladeshi and I'm treated like a complete foreigner in Bangladesh by everyone including my cousins. In the UK microaggressions never stop.
@@riyadougla539 likewise 😔
You all make the UK a brighter place, it's a shame you have experiences that don't live up to that fact. Lift your head high you're awesome and we are better together, screw the bad eggs that act hateful.
Sorry you face that kinda stuff mate, just remember we're not all like that and it's a loud and spiteful minority taking their frustrations out on you. I know that doesn't make it any easier to deal with, but remember you deserve to be here as much as I do!
They had no issue letting in 2.5+ million South-Asian soldiers or the Muslim Punjabis in Dunkirk to save their skin to fight off Germany. Interesting to see how they now use racism & skin colour as some sort of justification for hostility against others.
Rnt Punjabs Sikhs or Jainism
So what’s your point?
Source for that figure please?
@@JasperTees-y8z Literally Wikipedia reports. Dated 1940 stats for British Empire & it's military from various articles documenting it.
@@SA-dt2cd There are different Punjabi groups, they dress differently too, the Muslim ones are largely on Western side of South-Asia & the Sikh or Jainism are on the Eastern side.
It’s funny how no one showed as much anger when Lucy Letby killed babies…
Lucy Letby, "the girl with the sing song name" according to BBC where it was shocking that she hurt anyone.
Trueee😮
They didn’t decrease the amount of white woman they would let be nurses
They didn’t start being extra careful when white lady nurses were on children’s wards
Can you imagine the hospital security and senior nurses colluding and being super intentional to follow and watch all the white lady nurses to make sure they aren’t doing the same thing as letby??? That would never happen in this universe
Good old Lucy she’s was a Blondie
That whole story is so insane. The insane trauma she put so many people through and at the end of the day she’s just a girl
But there is a doubt that she did ? Haven’t you read the news.
Best part of this is that I’ve never heard of Matt Goodwin.
You don't want to. He's an apologist for right-wing views, but claims to be an academic. He no longer in post at his last academic engagement (Univ. Kent), and fails to apply critical thinking skills to anything he says.
I only just found out last evening ... I disengaged from the interview he was giving s soon as his right-wing bullshit began to spew out of him.
When the British Empire colonised my country, Malaysia (back then it was called Tanah Melayu).. The British brought in tens or hundred thousands of migrant labor from China and India to work in mines and plantation and rule via divide and conquer. This changed the demographic and local culture forever. We all past that now and accept it all as part of Malaysia mixed cultures and races. What an irony that now in the uk they are against immigrants and cultural change when they were fine doing that elsewhere
Mine 2 but we kicked them out and unlike other countries they colonized they don't have any influence on our faith culture or tradition and I am so proud of my country 4 that
Hold on. Wouldn't it be a lot more ironic if these things happened at the same time, or at least within the same generation, and between the two groups directly affected the colonisers and the colonised? A lot can change in even one generation. I accept that you're past what must have been at times very difficult for Malaysia, (I imagine it sucked and can understand people harbouring grudges), but I'm not sure how that precludes current people from Britain having concerns about levels of immigration potentially impacting their culture now.
Are you sure Chinese Malaysians would agree that you’re “all past that now”?
How are things going with the Bumiputera policy these days?
True and the thing is we came here legally
@pasodoble5070 there will always be some racial tensions coming up n here n there. Just like any countries, Malaysia also have their shares of racism be it amongst malay, chinese or indian. Politicians sometime incite and stoke these racial n religious tension for their benefit. But all in all,nobody would question if any of them are 'Malaysian' or not and most of the time, we are living together peacefully n accept each other with own unique culture n backgrounds
Remember when Matt Goodwin was so wrong he had to eat his own book
Tell me more about it. What happened?
Which one?!
No
It’s one of those left hive mind dreams I reckon.
no
Brits went around the world forcing everyone to be British and then complained when they followed them home
Tommy Tiernan (Irish Comedian)
😂😂😂😂😂
Lol, spot on
So true 😂
You mean made them more advanced and richer as part of a trading empire.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂wow love Tiernan 😂😂😂😂
I noticed a long time ago, the English people I've met ascribe their individuality to psychology, but us nonwhites are collectively defined by 'cul-ture' in'it.
Not all English. It's a neoliberal thing
@@inevski My apologies, you are right, the sentence I constructed was a casual generalisation. It does include a lot of English people I have met in my 55 years of living in Engand, from my English ex-wife, to neighbours, friends, in-laws, and from across the class and career spectrum, from working class grannies to so called middle class intellectuals.
nonwhites can be English too
You’re doing exactly what you say they’re doing lol
@@JasperTees-y8z Interesting paradox!
No one would ever think someone like Jimmy Carr, Freddie Mercury or the Oasis brothers aren't British, yet all of their parents are foreigners.
Or Boris bloody Johnson, born in America
@@bhupendraparekh6225 His 1st name Boris sounds Russian 😂😂😂
That’s how it’s done properly
@@bhupendraparekh6225wasn't Churchills mum American? Our royal family German?
@@SA-dt2cdI think he has Russian ancestors
As a 64yr old white Brit, I am absolutley proud that I can sit and listen to three British women of colour speak so brilliantly and confidently about themselves ! I refuse to allow idiots make me worry about what the average skin tone will be genrations after I'm dead? Yet this is the fear that they attempt to instil in people, it's ludicrous and nothing, not an millimetre short of racism. I'm shoulder to shoulder with you three intil the day I day. Stay strong.
yeah, but some people do care about how the country will be generations after you're dead. Not everyone is as self centred as you.
You say skin colour doesn’t matter yet you are proud of skin colour. Can’t u c the contradiction there?
Well said sir.
I salute you sir for being a honest human being.
@@Ziggyziggy1 do you salute the rioters for being honest human beings too?
At the age of 69, I'm still the child of Polish WWII refugees that the UK welcomed. I really do not understand why race matters to racists. Perhaps if they admitted to themselves that they're bigots, the problem would go away, as it should.
So ask the polish about that they seem quite adverse to migration.
@@Leszek.Rzepecki But they also want to feel good about themselves believing they are not bigots and so it's others at fault.
@@Time4Peaceyou may have a point about racist not feeling good about themselves??
I think it's culture that matters.
No such thing as race, only one race which is human, but as the left loves to peddle the lie that there are races, and their definition of race is constantly changing. It's hard to keep up. People are most likely to believe a lie that they want to believe. I have God privilege, height privilege and good looks privilege. You identify as a child of Polish WW2 refugees is in your own head, your own perception. No one else gives a damn. You can identify as a fish. Identity is all made up and it keeps people shackled to their identity. You can't take it with you to the next stage as much as you want to hold on to it.
I recall my late mum telling us as children to make sure we behaved properly when we were out, bc not only would we be judged if we didn't, but ALL Black ppl would be similarly judged. What a burden for a child to bear. I'm 60 and this is something that still sticks with me now. White ppl will never have this cross to bear 😢
We bear a lot of crosses
We bear alot of crosses.
I feel you. I see this type of thought now being used against the trans community. A single regret case? "OMG the whole medical community should be ashamed and all transpeople will regret their treatment!" (that any other medical treatment is filled with regret cases doesn't matter to them at all)
Or, 1 transperson (like Blair White for instance) sides with extreme-right figures, and holds her remarks against the whole community. With the dirt-stupid following of those political figures typically believing absolutely everything said on that side and collectively shaming the whole trans community.
One supposedly trans person doing something less correct? "OMG they are all so bad!"
And I'm not even a transperson of color...I feel for them even more...
@@incognito96like what. Like literally what.
Also 60, I know what you mean.
Fucking hell I've never heard the "foreign culture does not equal violence" articulated as well as Dahlia did in the first cut away. FABULOUS! ❤
Dalia is easily the best among them at articulating a view and making a cohesive argument
@@gearoftones8585Seconded!
Except that in many cases it does, one need only compare murder and violent crime rates per capita
@@user-yu3uj7cc3u can you direct us towards the source of the evidence for that so we can take a look?
Fan boy 😂 not good for any discussion though.
Just to reiterate when they say British they mean white.
Do they also mean English?
Dumb prejudiced people must be respected.
Your point?
@@stuartbenzie6115 Good question. I don't think there's a universal answer amongst the proponents of these rioters. However, there is a clear hierarchy of acceptable racism, with white eastern Europeans being the lowest on the spectrum e.g. refugees from Ukrainian were in generally welcomed.
He literally said Ash is English.
i remember when black people tried to integrate after the second world war and even named their children after their 'heroic Conservative leader Winston. I've only ever met one white Winston since then.
You're in your 80s or older?
❤quality ❤
@Truck When was this? Or you making things up again?
Absolutely correct. My name is Winston, to this day I dislike the name. Many black babies born in the baby boom was name Winston in the 50s/60s 🙄🙏🏾
The same can be said about Scots. If we do something commendable the success is a British one. If we do something condemnable its a Scottish disgrace.
Broadcasting needs to devolved as many of us are sick to the back teeth of the Anglo centric (government approved) view, on everything we watch and read.
Your absolutely correct👍
Well said! I recall the way every Irish were treated and perceived in the 1960-80s London. On our street, a Thatcher-look alike doll hanged from a lamp post for months. Neither the council or police cared. When someone painted a wall with a slogan ”Free H-block prisoners” it waspainted over the very next morning. Still today, this belittling and negative attitude persists.
Unpopular opinion and am sure will be called out for it, but I know loads of English people (in Scotland) and they treat me as they would want to be treated. No one is rioting (in England and Northern Ireland) over Scottish people living in England or torching their businesses and homes. Have heard this argument before and if it goes on I haven't noticed although tbh it wouldn't bother me if it did so maybe it does. But it's not the same situation.
Not sure about this. The BBC are very keen to tell readers about Scots Welsh and Irish success but English seems to be GB. Dunno just an observation..
This little fairytale about sports commentators has been doing the rounds for literally decades.
Besides, what’s the problem? I’d rather be a champion for 67m people than 5m.
Ash didn’t just call out Matt Goodwin, she absolutely wrecked the dullard.
Bit rich calling a professor and academic a dullard. You might disagree with him but he's not an idiot.
Of course he is.
@@thekingdomjester as if a professor cannot be an idiot. Especially in such a wacky, pseudo-scientific domain as politics.
@@thekingdomjester - he might have serious academic qualifications but has long since been more concerned with his career as a right wing commentator and Ash ran rings around his gaslighting hypocrisy here. In fact, his arguments were revealed for the deeply racist nonsense which they’ve always been.
Not difficult to do.
Every time someone says this shit about violence and sexual assault being a part of immigrant culture, ask them what part integration played in Dunblane
One specific group with one religious belief commits most crimes proportionally.
@@BENTWOONEZERO Can you spell that out for us please?
Which group with which religious belief?
@@DavidManser No I will get deleted and threatened by youtube.
What happened in Dunblane? I'm not British
"I'll just keeping calling you racist rather than actually deal with the real economic and cultural issues."
People like Goodwin, Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson etc have developed a new method of insinuating racism into political discourse rather than directly advocating it. Kudos to Dalia and Ash for so brilliantly calling Goodwin out.
👍💯
How about Nigel Farrige....
Ash Sarkar showed stats that the population of London is becoming less white. She then gleefully exclaimed: "we are winning!"
Do you still consider her an anti-racist hero?
And that never happens on this channel. 🤣🤣🤣
@charlie We appreciate your powerful insight on this matter.😊
I was looking at the figures for crimes committed by race, purely because I was sick to death of accusations that immigrants of different races were more likely to commit crimes.
Well it turns out that Muslims and most other races were Less likely to commit crimes (by arrest data)
White people had a higher arrest % for every 1000 people. It's not a massive amount higher, but it only shows that races are integrated well enough that crime is pretty much the same, unless you're Chinese which is considerably lower than any.
We need to drop the whole "people are not integrating and it's causing higher crime" hyperbole.
It's more than hyperbole, it's a deliberately espoused falsehood. Excellent comment, by the way!
Look at the prison population by religion , one group has 6% UK population and 18% of the prison population.
@@BENTWOONEZERO
Prison populations have justice system and representation variables
@@inevski Hindus are possible the most honest group in the UK hardly commit any crime, hardly ever go to prison. I think it's the values of the group that leads to criminal behaviour, particularly when one religion tells its followers all non-followers are inferior. ( so end up with 18% of the prison population ) It is the same in Germany by the way. I live in Bradford highest crime rating in Europe , why do you think that is ?
@@BENTWOONEZEROLindu alert
2 years ago UK had agents trying to recruit teachers from my country. Regularly nurses, doctors and care workers are regularly hired to come over and work.
How do the Right want the government to handle immigration when immigration seems to be essential to the country’s economy
Sshhh! You're not supposed to say the inconvenient part out loud.
they wouldnt be able to keep using it as an issue if they actually stopped immigration :)
It's called automation which can carry out most jobs.
Why do you not listen you here what you want ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.🙈
Totally agree there has been shortage of nurses and doctors in the UK and the government had no choice but to recruit foreign workers. This country would certainly collapse without these hard working people. Lets not forget during lockdown they were working to keep people alive whilst risking their own lives.
Maybe Britian shouldn't have invaded most countries on earth if they didn't want people following them home after genocides in so many places.
lol, dont go there .
And an Irish woman would know
Everyone reaps what they sow and the English will eventually get their turn b4 the world ends
You clearly don’t understand the history of the world with this basic comment, love, and I’m not even British.
OR maybe we shouldnt have given them their "independence" to turn that on its head?
What has the murder to do this integration if he was regarded as British? When the British colonialised 2/3rd of the planet did they not think they changed cultures they interacted with?
Even during the hight of the empire very few people from Britain actually lived in those colonies. I think at its peak there was only 125,000 on India which is tiny to how many we have in the uk
What happened when the British left India the Muslims and the Hindus massacred each other. Just as the Hindus are being killed in Bangladesh today...
@@roberttreborable when the British PARTITIONED India you mean, there were loads of Muslim majority areas in the interior parts of the country, the only significant violence happened in the areas where the British created Pakistan out of India, but not elsewhere.
@@JasperTees-y8zI don’t think they are talking about the numbers of British people in India,they are talking about the power the British empire had,and it changed a lot of things in India (especially the language aspect and how many thing were looted and stolen from India(with labour and spices )).And we would not have this immigration issue,if it wasn’t for colonization,wars and slavery and many other things.Many people would stay in there countries if it was safer and more money and more jobs.
Its a false equivalence to bring in the British colonisation of other countries. But even if we set that aside, don't you think it's wrong that the British went to places and changed the cultures they interacted with?
All we talk about is immigration from 2010 onwards it was one of the scapegoats for austerity
Do we spend money on illegal immigrants 🤔 then why are you blaming lack of money.
As a woman of colour I think we underestimated how racist the UK actually is
Every country is racist. And most people are as well, though most do not express it.
No we definitely didn't and I'm from London hun.
I agree in part. Racism is sewn into the fabric of uk society. Its no coincidence that every decade we see othhering based on race/culture. Racism and more importantly its legacy has never truly been acknowleged globally.
As a woman of colour yes defined by skin colour you not me saying that. But I am a racist.
@ceceo As a man of colour I think it's overestimated.
There was a white British nurse that murdered 7 new born babies earlier this year.
*They don't talk to her much these days do they??*
Also the little black boy murdered by a sword by a white guy. No one rioting about him. Wonder why.
Not one riot or protest for the babies. Two tier racists
I listened to the whole thing and it’s available on RUclips if anyone else is interested. There is too much hate for Matt in these comments. Toxic media has made the debate so polarised we can’t take onboard other peoples point of view
I agree and the commentators on this channel just create more division because they interpret everything in a way that just supports their left wing agenda. They also only select information that supports their views. I can't decide if they are doing this because they are so blinded by their own political ideology or if they are doing this intentionally and knowingly. They have been wrong about so many things. With the exception of Bastani, I don't think they really ever do any proper research.
Ash is absolutely amazing.
It is Britain that was a colonialist empire. Britain thought nothing of destroying other countries.
It wasn't just Britain.
And bringing past to justify your hatred and Racism is the worst argument.
My mothers Irish, my father came from Argentina, I was born in Hammersmith West London. By choice I hold an Irish passport and Identify as London or Anglo-Irish. I love my community; the working class people of this country and our ideological class cultural inheritance, the commons, Watt Tylers poor, The Levellers, Trades Unionists, Abolitionist's, Suffragettes but I reject, will always reject and refuse to 'integrate' into a version of 'Englishness' made for us not by us, by the country's capital elite. I'm not English, far less British whilst those identities, whilst that cultural narrative remains seated in a world view and structures of power that are inherently colonial, racist and classist. Until the day this country rejects a cultural identity that its majority class never made, which for most of our collective history has brutalised the English, Scots and Welsh working classes whilst committing genocide, resource theft and warfare abroad I will remain London-Irish, a child of the diaspora, a descendent of those made homeless by empire and its elite capital interests. I love my community (English, Migrant, Refugee) but have yet to see articulated a 'country' that we can 'integrate' into as equals.
If the majority of people in the UK were even half as articulate as Dalia (because you can't achieve that without an education and critical thought) there would be no race riots in the UK.
Another fan boy lets see she lives in London an echo chamber of similar minds thinking they are the majority 🤔 Remember Brexit your doing it again.
@freedom4639 brexit to stop white eu immigration.
Boris then opens up indian Chinese and african immigration for trade deals 😂.
Funny thing is all the rioters are working class, low educated men. There is no elite etonians or Cambridge grads rioting. I wonder why, oh yeah because the rich are educated and know why immigration is needed. The poor don't and get their education sadly from the daily mail. It's all by design. State schools underfunded because they need to be kept uneducated so they can't actually challenge the real problem, the rich. Wonder why politics is not compulsory teaching in secondary schools, yet Etonians (Eton schools) literally groom rich kids to be next MPs. The whole system is laughable.
She didn’t make much sense at all in this
@@freedom4639 not a fan of punctuation, you are. Maybe paying less attention in school you were, hmm?
Can I make a constructive point on terminology? British people and white people are not synonyms. I, as an Irish person, recognise all the issues - I'm old enough to remember when all Irish people were suspect when the IRA bombed somewhere, played out very spectacularly with the Birmingham 6 and Guilford 4 - it was perfectly acceptable to arrest the wrong Irish people, because we all were guilty. As an Irish person in Britain, somewhere my great-grandfather and his father were born (they moved to the Ireland of their ancestors) and am very aware that the inclusion we've experienced (not perfect by any means) since the mid-90s could change again as it did so many times through the history of these islands.
"White" is a shifting concept anyway, used to define the people included in the dominant in-group and exclude others, and that group changes over time as the idea of Us and Them changes. Like they say, race is a social construct! It's not some fundamental truth, it's just something that exists in attitudes and power dynamics
So yeah, Irish people have historically been othered and excluded (even worse the further back you go, and some US states literally called Irish people "coloured"), you get shifting definitions of which Europeans count, and people will twist and turn to justify it with talk about "shared culture" and nebulous "values" that are just as quickly thrown in the bin when those people fall out of favour. And that shift can literally happen within a single sentence, if there's a more important group to other - weird attitudes about Eastern Europeans conveniently melting away the moment there's a brown person in the mix etc. And if that scapegoat disappears, the "white/non-white" attitude gets directed back at another target, because that's what it's there for
@@cactustactics you are completely wrong
He is talking so much Bullshit what a nob
Left wingers like to virtue signal how morally superior they are. Yet they're perfectly happy to resort to name calling and shaming.
Yes calling names great the retreat of the defeated liberal.
Sadly he’s not
@@juliechurley2716 what do you mean
???? He's not
I’m just wondering why the P-bashing of 1970s 1980s is different from the P-bashing of 2024
It's exactly the same
You can't except there could be a problem with migration can you .
"These people just don't integrate" says man making it harder for them to integrate. Goodwin, you're part of the problem.
@grim And you're the other part of the problem no doubt about that.
Go on then, I'll bite. How am I making it harder for people to integrate?
And he's too obtuse to realise that.
I love sitting in a bar in Spain,Portugal, Vietnam etc and listen to british immigrants chat. Very few can even order a beer on the countries language. Some have been there for decades
them bars are barred; babs
As a proud Englishman, I agree, when in Rome, be Roman.
So when in England be 🙈
I feel exactly the way this person feels, I came here, I did my citizenship, I have been here for 25 years, I have worked for 24 and still working, but I know even with my citizenship I am still not considered as fully British.
Oh no....anyway have seen the grocery prices recently? 😮
in short, these people know what their ancestors did and fear we will do the same to them... they don't realise, we have to forgive them everday to walk talk and eat with them, and that we are so good at forgiving ❤🙏
Well said
What an appalling attitude. I’m a British white Muslim woman of 70, I converted to Islam from Christianity 40 years ago. My identity is British Muslim, the fact that I was born in Britain and have ancestry that goes back a few centuries makes me no different from other British Muslims whether we were born here or not. Like other British Muslims I do not identify with terrorism and I certainly don’t believe that because of someone’s ethnicity, religion or
colour of skin they have a predisposition to violence
I'm sick of racists, fascists, politicians and the elite. People are people, end off!
People seem to forget that the world wouldn't be as it is today without the movement of people...
Does that include empire building?
So it's great then no wars or in fighting on countries every one happy.😂
Lol. Not exactly a glowing commendation.
Excellent points made by the Novara team. Additionally, when Brtish colonisers came to the Indian subcontinent, they did not even bother learning the English language - they even expected the natives to learn their language, English. The rest is history...
The British didn't bother to learn English?
"oh, that was on my substack where i go mask off"
😂😂😂😂
His version of integration means everyone must accept values imposed by the right. This is why the right always implies an authoritarian requirement. And this is the sole reason he argues for that because he cannot escape his fascist tendencies.
No, it’s what’s expected when ever someone moves to a host country which is why we all find it so embarrassing when Brits act loutish in Spain etc
That's rich given the complete lack of respect the left has towards even fringe conservatism.
@@JasperTees-y8zconforming to right wing values is expected?
Firstly, the horse has bolted. If Britain colonised a third of the world and steals its resources (including people) and radically impoverishes the colonised countries, then its brutalised and impoverished victims will be forced to find a better life, especially when British culture is imposed on them, what do you expect was going to happen. It’s especially ironic because the richer, whiter countries are not breeding and their populations are shrinking. Immigration is absolutely necessary to replace those declining demographic categories. Capitalism needs workers and consumers. Yes, let’s have the debate about immigration, but make it honest. Stop leaving out gigantic chunks of the story in order to divide and conquer.
Can you tell me how many lives have been saved due to the work of Jenner and Fleming? 100s of millions.
💯💯💯💯 please write somewhere, great thoughts
Why should the actions of my forefathers still affect me? That's prejudice. I am not responsible for the actions of others.
You're equating colonisation with immigration. So you are admitting although unwittingly that immigration is indeed a net negative for the host people
It's not only wrenching out historical context. Right now the west is responsible for wars, economic tyrrany and climate change that are a major cause of migration. The west needs to take responsibility for that, instead of blaming innocent migrants.
As a progressive, I entirely agree with him. Not with some of the wording he used about skin colour, but the wider points he makes are very valid. I think in short I would say: It’s not about skin colour, it’s about numbers.
Thank you for articulating this so well! Listening more than once so I can articulate this when necessary!❤
They made really poor argument
Matt, we have a massive problem due to people like you.
@@poplarboydavidso what "legitimate cultural concern" was being addressed by looting Greggs?
While Matt is willing to provide distraction and deflection for thugs and looters, he's a problem
@@poplarboydavid does Saudi Arabia have an aging population that needs caring for, directly and indirectly?
@@poplarboydavid if somewhere needs people, they'd have reason to want to accommodate newcomers, would they not?
@markwelch3564 he is a problem?
@sylwiab8946 yes, because he's trying to convince me that arsonists and looters have legitimacy
He started with the statement "he doesn't define being British Britishness"...whatever that is ..with colour. Then immediately contradicts his opening statement, with defining violence with colour!!! So white folks dont rape ??? (Prince Andrew) white folks dont indulge in violent crime?? Anyone heard of colonialism??? The cray brothers are eulogised!!! If your having a convo with white folks about immigration you made the point,...it has to be on right wing terms. Great report. Love you guys XXX.
The level of calmness applied to sensitive subjects on Novara is massively appreciated
Seems you would love anything they told .
@@freedom4639 want to try that again?
When one identifies as English or British that isn't necessarily the same as might be written on the passport which is a legal status . I listened to the whole debate and overall felt that Ash missed the point slightly because the recent riots are not primarily about race .Matt was for me spot on and well informed
Nah ash was right but didn’t convey her point too well but Dalia’s analysis and breakdown in this one really helped make it clear and logical the flaws in matts arguments, imo
Well said! Amazingly clear.
To you because you want that to be.
I hope Bastani now realises that Goodwin should not have been on Novara. Not with the almost friendly sort of podcast he was gifted with anyway. Fantastic from Moira as per.
I disagree. I think it's important these people should be interviewed and exposed.
Good behaviour has always been signified by the individual and bad behaviour aimed at the collective when referring to Black and Brown people.
This is brilliant, such a well articulated video from all concerned.
This topic is very similar to when we identify our sports stars, if they win they are British, if not they are Scottish, Welsh, Jamaican, and Pakistani. It's the same here when a white person commits a heinous crime then this is just another person, however, when a person of colour commits the same crime we are all tarnished with the same brush, Why do these extremists not know that no race White, Black, Brown or any colour is perfect we have the good and the bad in all. Live with it. If someone commits a crime treat them by the law if found guilty, punish them as per the Law.
The people crying about the erosion of british culture also go on to celebrate halloween in October right after a good curry.
I’ve never done that. The Brits aren’t some kind of hive mind that all think the same thing you racist.
Andy Murray is British when he's winning but Scottish when he not.
Well done showing him his wickedness
You think that but l don't. I must be a Natzis or a racist or a fascist.
Nobody cares about what you think mate 😂@freedom4639
@@naheed03 actually they do.
Ash is brilliant.. I have learnt so much watching Novara. Thank you all 😊
For these reasons I took my family and left the UK for good, the best decision ever. No looking back.
Well done🫶🏻
Doing the same....to much stabbings and certain culture taking over 🫡
This makes me very sad and angry. When I first came to this country in 2001, it felt like Southern England was the most willing country to adopt foreign people I'd ever visited. But as the decades have worn on, it feels like there's been an active push to demonise anyone foreign at every opportunity in media and in public discourse. By the time 2010 came around it had gotten to the point when if I asked otherwise rational people about immigration, the first thing they would say would be to parrot lines about "securing our borders" and "controlling mass immigration" as if those terms meant anything.
As of the Farage Riots, it seems maybe we've finally reached Peak Racism, but I fear we've not...
Multiculturalism has worked fine in London, but outside the M25, and moving north it has been challenging at best 😬
I think you’re right - London has no cultural roots now and copes quite well: places which are all about community and mutual support rather than government really struggle with it
I thought ‘English’ was an ethnicity and ‘British’ was a nationality. Am I wrong?
English is also a national identity.
I have the same view. I think Ash is British, but not English.
Yes. I think English was under ‘White’ in the last census for example. But I think Ash knew this and was trying to trip up Matt
But we've had a 1st generation PM? Now I didn't like the last Prime Minister but it wasn't because of his ethnicity.
Means nothing. His Bias showed with what he said to Labour mp Zahra sultana. He is Hindu and traditionally Hindu are not keen on Muslim. They have history. The problem comes with demonisation of any group. Many Muslims Fought and died for this country in ww2. Just like Sikhs etc. It's just so sad now. Austerity has ruined the country. And I suspect foreign policy should be looked at and reformed.
Wasn't voted in, that's the key. One of the reasons the Tories were polling low was the Ethnicity of their Leader
@@Danny_SE11 Let's remember that prior to Tory MPs taking the decision for themselves we had Liz Truss presented to us as PM by the members of the Conservative and Unionist Party. That went well. Had the same group of people been allowed to choose again, Sunak would never have been allowed to be PM.
I grew up among these people and they haven't changed in nearly 60 years.
Oh no it couldn't be he had different views on subjects to you that won't do at all .
He is British he is not Welsh, just like I'm not English, but I am British.
You have to remember that an English person born in Wales is still an English person, and would take a couple of generations to make that reality invisible.
You have to remember that the Southport killer probably tells Welsh people he is Rawandan.
Not all white Brits call themselves English.
I'm as left wing as anyone, but I hold my own heritage with pride and do not need to hide or feel shamed about my own heritage .
English is genetic
I saw some photos taken in Liverpool of muslims embracing rioters, giving them food and talking to them. Can I just clarify, which are the values we don't want?
Were they wearing "I am a Muslim" banners? Just wondering how you knew they were Muslim exactly and not atheist or Christian or Hindu or...?
@@David-bi6lf It was an imam and fellow worshippers at a mosque
What happened first 7/7 or the invasion of Iraq 🤔
Exactly. It's always 'year dot' for these kind of people
Eddie Irvine, former F1 driver from n. Ireland, was classed as British when he done something good, and as Irish when he done something bad.
Oh fascinating.
@rally What did he do that was bad? You knew him personally?
@@chatham43 on the race track that is. It was the British commentators that classified his origin depending on his driving.
We Indians did not like colonisers. They don't like reverse colonisers.
The British are Anglo-Saxons, not Indians or Africans. If I move to Angola, I don't become Angolan just because they grate me a passport
.. and your analysis of the issues was absolutely spot on, Dalia 🙂
When you look throughout history Britain is Indigenously white skin, as is Europe. It's not racist to say that, its fact. A Black kid from Wales is not indigenously Welsh just as a White kid born in Nigeria isn't indigenously a Nigerian. Don't you understand that??? Or am I missing something?
Was Wayne Cousins an immigrant? Why don’t you love Sahdik Khan he’s integrated?
Ash Sarkar is amazing
Welsh people aren’t infamous for picking up machetes and murdering people from different ethnic groups.
The reason I wrote that on my Substack is because I know my audience.
"We have a massive problem with integration." No. YOU have a massive problem with integration. You are failing to evolve along with the rest of us, it's your problem and your responsibility my dude.
Is that right DUDE 😂
Right on cue ! Brilliant !
All my ancestors were colonised and lived as foreigners in their own land. And I have learned to live in the so called “western foreign”countries from the same colonisers. So leave me alone!
If you do something awful, it should be viewed as something terrible you have done as a human being, nothing to do with where you are from ,your religion , the colour of your skin, or anything else.
Absolutely brilliant, Dalia Gebrial! You've articulated what I've felt for so long without knowing how to put it across. Thank you!
Thank you for this sane discussion!! As the daughter of an Irish immigrant I was born in England in 1958. Should I not then celebrate Irish culture and heritage ? Sounds like good old fashioned colonial racism to me.
is cuid thábhachtach de mo shaol iad an Ghaeilge agus an cultúr Gaelach agus mar a thuigim mé féin agus m’áit sa domhan tá mé ina náisiúnach déach agus bródúil as sin.
Hiding his true colours and evading the questions? Shocker. I just saw Goodwin say to Steven Edgington the Southport incident had "a lot to do with immigration" but despite these non-answers, he's yet to elaborate on how? He says "If we were managing these levels of immigration well, we wouldn't have second and third generation migrants committing crime on Britain's streets". Funny that a "third generation immigrant" can have heritage from *anywhere* in the world yet he chooses to defend these riots based on specific crimes and attribute them all to "immigration" when according to what he's willing to say, nothing makes Rudakubana more of an "immigrant" than anyone else. Cowardly, dog-whistle rhetoric. You are correct Dalia.
Bonus meme: This same Matthew Goodwin wrote a piece for The Times 5 years ago talking about the rise of the far right (repeatedly using the term and using similar select words to describe their actions) being the fastest rising terrorist threat is now saying "far right" is a meaningless term and now largely enables those narratives and conspiracies that he was writing about. If we're as he says "sleepwalking to segregation" it's thanks to your rhetoric and inflammatory assumptions, Matthew.
It's because it plays into the racist faction of the UK. Which characters like Farage, Tate, Robinson, use to stoke hate!
you're naive if you believe that violence is viewed in the same way across different cultures
You're naive if you think violence is viewed the same way within a single culture at all
Ash is a role model for all ethnic minorities and as British as you can be
Hmm
Does Ash consider herself English?
Yeah she's as British as anyone, not sure why ethnic minorities need a role model though? Like I'm white, who's my role model?
Which is why she said to someone ‘fuck off im not British’ 🤔
One topic I'd love Ash to expound on is the villainous treatment of native nations in Canada. For people to criticize or opine on the evils they feel are tied to race (a purely social construct made by whites to segregate) is flagrantly hypocritical.
Our neighbours when I was growing up were Asian, English and Ukrainian - this was in the 60s/70s. I went to a multi-cultural school, I've worked in multi-cultural workplaces, so I don't get it when people say non-integration is the problem. I also don't see a problem with me celebrating my Jamaican heritage, even though I'm British. When we've been on holiday to Europe, it's very easy to find English pubs, fish & chip shops, so why is it ok for British people to celebrate their heritage abroad, but it's a problem if a non-white person wants to celebrate their heritage in the UK?
The people of Britain were never asked if they wanted mass uncontrolled immigration so why must they be forced to just agree with it? How many countries in the world would elect such policies whatever their skin colour?
You're right; Zero countries.
But oh well, If it's good enough for the first nations of Australia, New Zealand,; Canada, the Americas, et al; surely it's good enough for you guys?
Cheers.
@@meth47471 I like your point, but don't all you mentioned have entry requirements? I hear Australia doesn't accept immigrants unless your skills are required. Maybe I'm wrong
@@mandrakejake Australia doesn’t actively destabilise entire regions of the planet, creating economic migrants and refugees fleeing persecution and tyrannical regimes.
Also, politicians determine policy, not migrants, so whichever way you slice it, your grievance is misdirected.
That is not the point of this video.
Do you believe the numbers the extreme-right presents on this issue are factually accurate?
Does goodwin get upset about all the people wearing baseball hats?
ethno-nationalist pretending to be a cultural nationalist.
Integration doesn’t mean everyone forget their culture food language and only act “English”
It’s funny how every crime he mentions is also committed by white English people but he only seems to have an issue with it when it’s done by coloured people
These people are stuck on time , focusing only on skin color and so afraid of it , but are not against going to war in another country where we are not belonging