Not ironic. Needed to not miss a plane home, had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio, then YT compression made it much worse. My apologies. -Patrick
I tried the True-Fi app with mixed results. Some higher quality FLAC files came out as static. The ones that did work had more punch to the bass, but when I adjusted for age I found that the upper frequency range was sloppy and presented a hiss. It's also headphone specific, which can be a problem if you can't find similar headphones (assuming yours aren't directly supported). Results vary with music. Some sounded better, some worse, and some was better with only one feature. (Bass boost or age adjustment.)
@@Tekthing 24bit / 96Khz seemed to present the worst output with static. The lower quality files were ok (16bit / 44.1Khz). MP3 files were fine. I know my phone plays the higher quality files with other apps fine, so it's got to be a software issue, maybe with a bad codec or something. Perhaps it's assuming an external DAC is available? I'm not sure.
Were there any other notable headphones? Or headphone amplifiers? For us who live in condominiums... Also, wrt SonarWorks DSP. How does it compare to the Schiit Loki tone control?
Lot of true wireless earbuds, not a ton of new headphones. No headphone amplifiers that I know of (Check out JDSlabs Atom if you haven't seen it yet. Amazing peformance, and $99 price.) RE: SonarWorks, the Schiit Loki can bump your audio +/-12dB at 20Hz and 8kHz, +/-6dB at 400Hz and 2kHz. SonarWorks can/will mod the full audio spectrum to 'neutral,' will let you bump up the low end, and, for age, etc, the highs. They do similar things radically different ways.
@@Tekthing I would've preferred to suppress noise as far as I could before the audio artifacting takes effect. The noise won't be distracting and the speech will still sound natural. From my perspective, the Lav mic seemed to have been set up (at least, physically speaking) properly. They're quite sensitive (understatement!) which is why I'm of the opinion some noise should be expected at expos like CES.
@@Tekthing Plus, you don't need to apologize. We all try our best and we have to occasionally come up short because those are the times when we get our lessons learned.
1. Jesus, Norton, get a turntable already! 2. APTx is pretty good. There can be some slight differences vs a cable, though. Soundstage comes to mind with my BT headphones in wireless mode. 3. Did I mention that you should get a turntable?
I own a turntable, Grado and Audio Technica cartridges, spent a bunch of money on vinyl LPs last year to realize that I really prefer digital. Lower noise floor, more convenient, easier to store, easy to have with me everywhere. It's cool dropping a needle on a record, - I totally get the experience - but I don't enjoy it enough to use it all the time. And the whole 'vinyl is better than digital' argument just doesn't hold water in terms of audio quality. Probably TMI there! -Patrick
I like the idea of vinyl, but I spend most of my listening time driving (I'm a truck driver). I find that a turntable skips a lot on the terrible New England roads we have, and the crates of records are heavy and inconvenient to carry around. Digital is definitely the more convenient option these days. Maybe you can get back into tapes, Patrick? Get a high quality, vintage Walkman and restore it like Techmoan might. Then transfer content to some high quality tapes. I have an old Eric Clapton compilation album on type II (CrO2) tape that still sounds better than some CDs and FLAC files I have. (The tape is 24 years old, BTW.)
@@Tekthing I hated the sound of CDs when they first came out, even with their lower noise floor. A couple years ago, I replaced my ancient Adcom preamp and amp with new ones from NuPrime, and digital audio is spectacular through the NuPrime's DAC. I've probably just become accustomed to the quiet transparency of digital, but the last time I played vinyl, the music was ruined for me by all the hiss, clicks, and pops.
I find it weird that you make AMT tweeters are a new thing. The speaker manufacturer Legacy had them in their speakers 10-15 years ago. Along with GoldenEar and the Martin Logan Motion Line.
Seeing three companies w/ AMT tweeters was new/unusual. (I shoulda grabbed snaps at GoldenEar, that would have made it four, but was told they didn't have a new product.) Never meant to suggest the tech was new, but -really- didn't want to go through the history of AMT back to the ESS (ElectroStatic Sound) speakers that launched in 1972, or the flood of Air Motion Transformers that hit after Dr. Heil's patent ran out. -Patrick
TekThing, It is nice seeing them in more affordable speakers. That more people can buy them. I remember going to local dealers fifteen years ago and seeing them. Most of the time the low price was about 2K to get speakers with them.
I first listened to the ESS speakers either in '73 or '74. It is the application of this tweeter that is new (not the design, as you are correct) - and that it is showing up en masse with a lot of speaker brands lately. Infinity's Emit tweeter was also excellent.///Cheers.
You should hear the background noise on the mic built into the cam... actually overwhelms my voice. Mostly I should have talked a lot louder to drown the ambient noise. Was up against a 'don't miss my flight deadline,' the room was closing, plague, locusts... and had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio, then YT compression made it much worse. My apologies. -Patrick
If what I’ve read is true you soon won’t find much or any hi-end or stereo equipment companies at this show in the future. Even though I’ve never been, I hope to go one day. This is sad news.
@TekThing - 🤔 Very interesting.Might actually happen eventually though. According to several well known sites and publishing’s, they’re noticing less and less every year.
The audio on the camera is actually much worse, and this isn't that audio. I was using an Audio-Technica lav mic (AT899), but had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio. My apologies -Patrick
Is the poor sound quality of this video supposed to be ironic or the result of bad compression trying to reduce the background noise?
The latter... hopefully.
Sounds like compression artifacts or digital noise suppression not quite right, though I can hear him so it's fine.
Not ironic. Needed to not miss a plane home, had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio, then YT compression made it much worse. My apologies. -Patrick
TekThing No worries dude, it looks like you guys worked really hard. Always great content.
Video about audio has the worst audio :D
It does. Had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio, and YT compression made it much worse. My apologies. -Patrick
@@Tekthing lol on the audiophile video!
Lol the audio on this is terrible.
It is. Had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio, and YT compression made it much worse. My apologies. -Patrick
Yeahyaaaa! Audiophile for life!
Screen savers was awesome.
It was!
WOW! What's with the background noise. I was hopping more sounds from Carina all the way from Cambridge. Shure lot of talking.
I tried the True-Fi app with mixed results. Some higher quality FLAC files came out as static. The ones that did work had more punch to the bass, but when I adjusted for age I found that the upper frequency range was sloppy and presented a hiss. It's also headphone specific, which can be a problem if you can't find similar headphones (assuming yours aren't directly supported).
Results vary with music. Some sounded better, some worse, and some was better with only one feature. (Bass boost or age adjustment.)
Were those hi-res FLAC files?
@@Tekthing 24bit / 96Khz seemed to present the worst output with static. The lower quality files were ok (16bit / 44.1Khz). MP3 files were fine. I know my phone plays the higher quality files with other apps fine, so it's got to be a software issue, maybe with a bad codec or something. Perhaps it's assuming an external DAC is available? I'm not sure.
Were there any other notable headphones? Or headphone amplifiers? For us who live in condominiums... Also, wrt SonarWorks DSP. How does it compare to the Schiit Loki tone control?
Lot of true wireless earbuds, not a ton of new headphones. No headphone amplifiers that I know of (Check out JDSlabs Atom if you haven't seen it yet. Amazing peformance, and $99 price.) RE: SonarWorks, the Schiit Loki can bump your audio +/-12dB at 20Hz and 8kHz, +/-6dB at 400Hz and 2kHz. SonarWorks can/will mod the full audio spectrum to 'neutral,' will let you bump up the low end, and, for age, etc, the highs. They do similar things radically different ways.
Whoever edited the audio went crazy with the noise cancellation
Had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio. My apologies. -Patrick
@@Tekthing I would've preferred to suppress noise as far as I could before the audio artifacting takes effect. The noise won't be distracting and the speech will still sound natural. From my perspective, the Lav mic seemed to have been set up (at least, physically speaking) properly. They're quite sensitive (understatement!) which is why I'm of the opinion some noise should be expected at expos like CES.
@@Tekthing Plus, you don't need to apologize. We all try our best and we have to occasionally come up short because those are the times when we get our lessons learned.
1. Jesus, Norton, get a turntable already!
2. APTx is pretty good. There can be some slight differences vs a cable, though. Soundstage comes to mind with my BT headphones in wireless mode.
3. Did I mention that you should get a turntable?
I own a turntable, Grado and Audio Technica cartridges, spent a bunch of money on vinyl LPs last year to realize that I really prefer digital. Lower noise floor, more convenient, easier to store, easy to have with me everywhere. It's cool dropping a needle on a record, - I totally get the experience - but I don't enjoy it enough to use it all the time. And the whole 'vinyl is better than digital' argument just doesn't hold water in terms of audio quality. Probably TMI there! -Patrick
I like the idea of vinyl, but I spend most of my listening time driving (I'm a truck driver). I find that a turntable skips a lot on the terrible New England roads we have, and the crates of records are heavy and inconvenient to carry around. Digital is definitely the more convenient option these days.
Maybe you can get back into tapes, Patrick? Get a high quality, vintage Walkman and restore it like Techmoan might. Then transfer content to some high quality tapes. I have an old Eric Clapton compilation album on type II (CrO2) tape that still sounds better than some CDs and FLAC files I have. (The tape is 24 years old, BTW.)
@@Tekthing I hated the sound of CDs when they first came out, even with their lower noise floor. A couple years ago, I replaced my ancient Adcom preamp and amp with new ones from NuPrime, and digital audio is spectacular through the NuPrime's DAC. I've probably just become accustomed to the quiet transparency of digital, but the last time I played vinyl, the music was ruined for me by all the hiss, clicks, and pops.
The jet tweeters are old as can be i had those decades ago in my elacs...
We liked all the same gear! Good vid!
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@@beginneraudiophile678 BTW, sent in a q inside your inbox. Wireless BT Audio. :)
Thanks!
I find it weird that you make AMT tweeters are a new thing. The speaker manufacturer Legacy had them in their speakers 10-15 years ago. Along with GoldenEar and the Martin Logan Motion Line.
Seeing three companies w/ AMT tweeters was new/unusual. (I shoulda grabbed snaps at GoldenEar, that would have made it four, but was told they didn't have a new product.) Never meant to suggest the tech was new, but -really- didn't want to go through the history of AMT back to the ESS (ElectroStatic Sound) speakers that launched in 1972, or the flood of Air Motion Transformers that hit after Dr. Heil's patent ran out. -Patrick
TekThing, It is nice seeing them in more affordable speakers. That more people can buy them. I remember going to local dealers fifteen years ago and seeing them. Most of the time the low price was about 2K to get speakers with them.
I first listened to the ESS speakers either in '73 or '74. It is the application of this tweeter that is new (not the design, as you are correct) - and that it is showing up en masse with a lot of speaker brands lately. Infinity's Emit tweeter was also excellent.///Cheers.
@@stohl82 Totally agree with you!
Yeah Patrick, listen to the background murmur in this video and tell us how not to do that next time. :)
You should hear the background noise on the mic built into the cam... actually overwhelms my voice. Mostly I should have talked a lot louder to drown the ambient noise. Was up against a 'don't miss my flight deadline,' the room was closing, plague, locusts... and had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio, then YT compression made it much worse. My apologies. -Patrick
If what I’ve read is true you soon won’t find much or any hi-end or stereo equipment companies at this show in the future. Even though I’ve never been, I hope to go one day. This is sad news.
They're been saying that -every- year for a decade. :/
@TekThing - 🤔 Very interesting.Might actually happen eventually though. According to several well known sites and publishing’s, they’re noticing less and less every year.
It must have been so loud there to need this much filtering.
Had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio. My apologies. -Patrick
Yoooo! Heil tweeters FTW!
There were so many!!! -Patrick
What about the budget stuff? Haha I know it's not a cheap hobby
I talk about budget gear all the time... not a ton of that being shown at CES, tho. -Patrick
@@Tekthing I was thinking CES centric, reason being I was excited to hear about the turntable but more than I should spend...
No worries
Toe-roy-dal.. think hemroidal
I can't stop thinking that now -Patrick
Please breathe. Nice information but it sounds like you're auditioning for a speed-talking contest.
I was... room was about to close and I needed to not miss my plane. I generally don't talk quite that fast! My apologies, -Patrick
Maybe this guy needs an Shure MV88 kit, built in audio on the camera is horrid quality
The audio on the camera is actually much worse, and this isn't that audio. I was using an Audio-Technica lav mic (AT899), but had a recording glitch and couldn't re-do the audio. My apologies -Patrick