I mean, that's how Will identifies them. So on all the worksheets we put together, those were the classifications. We look forward to creating a glossary once we get more artists that have very distinct sounds with names attributed to them.
"All I Got" In this instance seems, I don't even know the adjective...a friendship like they have developed is a rare thing, some temporary physical discomfort seems like a small price to pay....
@@TheCharismaticVoice as you're giddy with excitement about stabbing our dear william through the neck. A likely story. This could be an episode of Metalocalypse with a few lighting edits.😘
@@TheCharismaticVoice if you want to do this with other harsh vocalists in the future I have a few suggestions. Tatiana from Jinjer could be cool because of how she is able to do such low powerful growls while being a woman. Tom barber could be cool also since he has very identifiable vocals he may have a different technique
The fact that his brain shut actions down as soon as they got too uncomfortable is a testament to how finely tuned Will has trained his voice to be. He was trying but he knew his limits and stopped to preserve his instrument.
I'm still learning to do that honestly. I didn't think it would be as difficult as it is to just... stop. When something is uncomfortable or hurts. I thought i was doing it right but now i'm not just refining my technique with a coach but also kind of relearing to do it all over again but properly, and my coach is the one actually pushing me to stay safe and disciplined with my vocals to prevent (further) injury. These voxals are definitely not as easy as one might think.
The Reassurance at 42:02 you could see it in Wills face and eyes that it helped him relax and calm down. It's just a really sweet moment i had to point out because its important to understand that he was probably a little stressed understandably so
Dr. Stark has an incredible way about her. I think it's also because of the rapport over the last two years of all working together that he trusts her completely.
Never in my life did I expect to see metal vocalizations become a scientific pursuit like this. I'm completely enthralled by the concept of "primal" vocalization and what we might be able to learn about screaming through biological and evolutionary perspectives. I'm also eager to peer into the throats of other metal vocalists to see how they contort and engage their muscles and the impact it has on their sound and vocal capabilities. Amazing work Will, Elizabeth, and the entire UofU team!
I would love to see inside Randy Blythe's vocal tract. He's been doing it as long or longer than most so it would be interesting to see what his vocal tract looks like now.
Well I can say one thing. I've seen a lot of laryngoscopys and most vocalist do not contort their throat in the way will does, even when producing very similar sounds. There's a lot of naivety in the way this is handled in my personal opinion. I hope we do see more of these though.
@@KornyRock Idk man calling it naive is pretty insane considering the people involved with this study. I'm sure they know what they're doing and have probably seen more laryngoscopys than either of us.
@@rennac9666 I'm not hating, it's just they use terms like vocal fry to describe the screams, which you can see in this video even that vocal fry plays 0 part in a fry scream. I'm unsure of the credentials of those involved and the study is also not yet complete. You also have to consider this this is just one video, and it is possible for people not to tell the entire truth or spin things a certain way.
If you're suggesting that Dr. Ingo Titze does not have the credentials necessary to assess or comment on what was occurring during these tests, I would highly reconsider researching who he is.
I think all the doctors, Elizabeth, and Kirk should now go to a Lorna Shore concert together and film their reactions. I would love to see them rock out for science!
I don’t think people really grasp the concept of how monumental this research is. This is practically the first of its kind and is huge step in both medical and musical science. What a time to be alive!
Since the first video of the scope, when he stayed with Elizabeth and her husband...you could tell they were going to be life long friends...and I'm still waiting for a Lorna Shore ft Elizabeth Zharoff track...I can dream
@jeffk1482 what I would love to hear is a technique switch between them...Elizabeth doing harshes and will doing operatic...or an opera duet with will still doing his harshes in place of operatic...Holy potato
Huge respect to Will Ramos for volunteering and making himself available for research. Really taking a big one for the team and helping furthering the science on vocal function. So a sincere thanks to you mr Ramos🙏. You rock 😎🤘... Obviously! 😆👍
Many people have pointed this out in other videos, but Will's golden retriever personality is so endearing and funny when contrasted with the type of music he makes and his personal style. He's a delight to watch and kept such a good attitude through the tests, even when it was clear he was super uncomfy.
He kinda reminds me of my dog. He's a Rottie with a big scary bark, but all he does is goof around and wants anyone, everyone to play stick or ball with him. He's just a big goof and couch potato.
I have to say as someone who has been listening to this kind of music for 20+ years and being told by friends, family or anyone who finds out I listen to this music say "oh the screamers? There is no talent. It's just noise." Seeing people taking the time, energy and resources to put science behind primal vocals. Yes I'm using that now lol. It brought me so much joy I was tearing up. I can't wait for this to be in a written research document. This is so great. I hope you convince more vocalists to take part in this research like Dani Filth, Alex Terrible, Kyle from Brand of Sacrifice and Bryan Garris from Knocked Loose. Angela Gossow wrote theory articles about how she did her growls but it musty focused on how she used her diaphragm. So it is exciting that we are doing the theory about how to us your vocal chords, tongue and head space added on to how we know how to use breath control, posture and diaphragm. I'm so excited for this. Like I said I have been listening to this type of music for 20+ years and it makes me so happy that science is now backing what my ears and heart have been hearing.
1. This was absolutely amazing! 2. I am not a vocalist, but have a neurological disorder that has caused me to lose my speech. I wish I had the ability to do this for science. 3. I'm 38 and lost my ability to speak 4 years ago........I won't lie I teared up in the end when Will said, "You only have one voice, once you lose it it's gone." 4. Will and Elizabeth was the collab we didn't know we needed!
@@rnbsteenstar I'm happy to answer questions about it. It's called Autoimmune Encephalitis, but because of my loss of speech and other functions my doctors also believe that I have Lambert-Eaton Myasthenic Syndrome
@@rnbsteenstar There is some knowledge out there but not a ton. I am hopeful that science will gain a better understanding after learning more about long covid because the mechanism of long covid and the type of Autoimmune Encephalitis I have are very similar. As of right now it is mostly chalked up to bad luck and genetics. The plus side is that they don't necessarily have to have an extremely thorough understanding of what causes it in order to treat it. I have been receiving regular treatments for the past year and a half and it has improved my quality of life significantly and I am extremely grateful for that!
I started to listen Lorna Shore like half a year from now, and still the only deathcore band that I'm listening to...but I listen to them almost every day. I just love Will's vocals and the melody of the songs.
As a PhD student in Experimental Medicine and a metalhead, this is THE BEST VIDEO EVER! It was so amazing and interesting, you made history! Metal AF! Thank you for sharing all this, from a scientific point of view it is extremely interesting and my mind right now is literally exploding! Will you really are a unicorn and Elizabeth you are metal af! 🤘❤ Love from Italy!
Will is such a trooper. He has gone above and beyond what, I believe, most people, let alone performing artists, would go through for the sake of science.
Will subjecting himself to needles while being filmed FOR SCIENCE is the MOST METAL THING EVER!! 🤘🏻🔥 What a fascinating study! Will has given us all such a gift in offering up his unique talents for study. Allowing vocal experts in-depth insight into his distinctive vocal techniques in this extreme way will permit so many people to learn from him for years to come. Watching this actually made me uncomfortable for Will - I didn’t realize he would have pain with the needles in his muscles. I’m truly in awe of his ability to work through that and make the vocalizations anyway. Thank you, Elizabeth, for recognizing the interest in this to the public and making this video available to all of us, that we might learn from this valuable research and also be entertained by this hilarious man!
Technically he is more metal than almost all vocalist. How many vocalist have actual metal in their vocal muscles when they scream. Will Ramos does!!! 😝
This will go down in history as the most extensive deep dive into screams. Thanks for making our passion more than just a bunch of outcasts making noise. You all are awesome. Thank you!
This research is actually invaluable. Understanding the vocal tract to the degree of depth that the data from these tests have provided could help so many people. This could help vocalists mitigate the risk of hurting themselves through scientifically backed coaching, provide insight for more advanced vocal reconstructive surgeries for people with vocal cord disorders, and possibly even be a stepping stone towards vocal modification surgeries that allow people to change aspects of their vocal range in the distant future.
His vocals in the credits are insane. He must have gone through just about every scream he has. I've been listening to metal for 25 years and that is probably the most metal thing I've ever heard.
Total coincidence, and a great one at that. We're presenting the first manuscript written off the data from these tests today (June 1st) and his birthday was the Friday before that presentation - so it all aligned!
Funny someone mentioned that, Will Ramos was born May 31st, 1994 I actually was born on June 1st, 1994 Easily my favorite Deathcore vocalist + his cleans in singing is so beautiful. Love the content, it was really fun & learning this. Kinda like a modern version of a Bill Nye the Science Guy episode!
Can I recommend The Pain Remains Trilogy as a good starting point. There's a significant argument for To The Hellfire, and it wouldn't be a bad place to start, but The Pain Remains is an emotional masterpiece.
I love Will and Lorna Shore. As a metal head I’m so glad metal vocalists are getting the credit they deserve. This kind of stuff takes talent and I love that Will is getting recognized for that and putting metal vocalists on the map. Happy birthday Will!
This is why I support this channel via Patreon. I've seen no other creator put so much into his/her/their channel and passions. Will is a real trouper- going into a myriad of tests like this. I am serious when I think this should get on PBS nationwide. Where do I start to make it happen? Incredibly well done and fascinating as can be. Bravo to ALL who were a part of this production. Well worth it.
I mean, Will's been all-in on the science since he crossed paths with Elizabeth. I really hope they've been able to consistently drag others into the pipeline for it. As amazing as the data Will's contributed has been, there's a *lot* to be learned from comparing and contrasting with others. If the only example of a building you ever saw was the leaning tower of Pisa, you might never realize that it was an anomaly. With Will being the baseline, more data's needed to find out if his techniques/methods/ability are consistent examples or anomalies. His eagerness to help find that out, and just general tendency to be an awesome person *are* a bit of an anomaly themselves, so it's hard to tell.
Will is a freaking legend, period. Being willing to go through these uncomfortable procedures, for science, is soooo freaking cool ! You're both legends, now !
This is like a full on documentary! Fantastic work. Thank you so much for taking all of us on this journey, and thanks to Will for going through this FOR SCIENCE. I was definitely cringing when he was so clearly uncomfortable with the needles in his neck. Kudos. This was so interesting!
FANTASTIC sequel. This is awesome to be witnessing. Thank you so much to all involved. Hope to see more research and science, and the papers that come out of this.
I cannot express how cool it has been to watch this channel evolve to doing actual science to help understand how some people, like Will Ramos, can do the amazing things they do
I can't believe what I just watched. This was the most incredible project I've seen in a RUclips video. The fact that the extraordinary talents of a metal singer were not only acknowledged but also cherished to the point of wanting to study them was already light years ahead of anything I would've expected as this type of music and singing are usually not valued at all outside of their fanbase. Then, on top of that, some remarkable science was done with it and I learned SO MUCH. Can't thank everyone involved enough. Will is a wild talent. This has blown my mind.
Hi Elizabeth! Have you ever considered a tea time interview with Melissa Cross? She has worked with many different well known vocalist from the metal scene. Also she is the one who originally made up the terms "fry" and "false cord screaming" so it would be really interesting.
That is a brilliant idea for what could be a brilliant conversation. Melissa Cross has made so many contributions to the metal scene, it would be wonderful to see her shared with such an interested audience!
Some haters love to spit on reaction channels without understanding what these channels bring to us. Again, Elizabeth is the proof that we can learn a lot about music, and how sounds are produced by humans ! Thanks for all of theses interviews, researches, and explanations Elizabeth !
@@folik213check out the Fairy voice mother, she is another reactor that goes deep in explanation and went on to meet and work with beatboxers. 90% of reactors are just nobodies that make idiotic faces, but the good ones are great.
This was beyond groundbreaking. I am so speechless and I can’t wait to see the data and the findings that come from it. Thank you so much for doing this.
Props to Will for wanting to do this extensive of a study. He's gonna be studied for years in the vocalization field for years to come. That really makes me smile because he deserves to be remembered. Thank you Elizabeth for this amazing video! I hope to see more videos of you and Will together
It tells me so much about Will when he are so interested in finding out and learning more about his voice. I really just hope you guys don’t push it to far so he get injured and somethings changes in his throat. We can not afford that! However, the last video you made going down the throat so we all could learn how his voice and sounds is being created was in my head award winning. I have no idea how many people I sent that video to. So I am really looking forward to this one. My birthday is on saturday so I see this video coming up as your birthday present to me. So THANK YOU so much! It was def. on my wishing list. I love your channel, Elizabeth, and Thank you for showing the world what a loveable person both you and Will are❤
This was extremely fascinating, and excellently produced. Kudos to everybody, seriously. (Elizabeth's big sisterly concern and support for Will was adorable, btw.)
This was so incredibly cool. Will is an absolute trooper. It was really awesome to see all the science behind what he does and I really enjoyed seeing the doctors and researchers get excited about it too.
I think vocal pedagogy's focus on only the function of the folds themselves has always been very very short-sighted. The folds don't make you sound like you, they aren't the be-all-end-all, and these videos are actually breaking people's common assumptions finally. I love this so much
Its been known for a while that the false folds, arytenoids, areyeppiglottic folds and other cartilage and tissues affect your sound and are used in screams
Yes @KornyRock, but very little research has been done on those structures. Tools and instrumentation is now becoming sufficient enough to start doing this type of research, but getting highly qualified individuals like Will has been very difficult.
@TheCharismaticVoice I'd love to see this with more extreme vocalists, there's a lot of people with a very interesting sound, it would be interesting to see your take on how the actual mechanisms of each scream differs from what you've seen here.
I agree 100%. The next phase which we'll reveal in the next couple months will be with 5-10 more artists, some of which do vocalizations similar to Will, and some that do very different distortions. We want a full catalogue across the board.
I’m so excited for this. Thank you for sharing not only your love and passion for music, but also the hard work to push our collective understanding of the voice and music further.
Bro down for science, I love it. This is the dude that many say I don't want around my kid, and I am like I need more Wills in my kids' lives. Experience has been that harsh vocalist and really heavy musicians have been some of the best people I ever met.
Elizabeth, you have made such a difference today (again). Thank you to you, Kirk, and the entire team of specialists. Will Ramos, you are a legend. Proud to be a Patron of both of y'all.
It's so excited to be witnessing a new topic of scientific exploration. Thank you for seeking out this new understanding of harsh vocals and sharing it with the world! Also, "the demon" himself wearing a "Cat Dad" hat killed me.
This was actually really interesting to watch! As someone who started vocals about 3 years ago it really helped to know exactly what happens in your throat and to make sure you're doing it correctly without damaging your vocal chords. Ps to all the people that think that metal vocals are easy and don't require constant practice and caution.... HOW ABOUT YOU TRY IT!!!!
As someone who has been practicing harsh vocals for almost 2 years now this is so helpful to people like me so we can see the mechanics and learn to use it all or isolate it. Thank you awesome people for this! You’re all the best.
Congrats to Elizabeth for coordinating this, really interesting and well done. Really well structured and edited, feels like it is a video science paper. Super interesting and well accomplished for everyone, fascinating stuff from Will and the Utah scientists.
Will seems like a great guy & is certainly a consummate professional in all his visits to this channel but this goes above & beyond. Fantastic job by Will, the doctors and Elizabeth in putting this all together. Thank you all.
He's basically constricting his throat around razors. No wonder high pressure screams hurt more. Hopefully science can improve and make this more comfortable in the future. We need to see all the screams
What an absolute champion Will. Good on you for going through all the anxiety and discomfort. What a gem of a person. Will be really interesting to see what comes of this research, especially as the MRI models are put together!
@@kirkmccune7944 ...this was said in the video huh? Gosh I wish I could retain 100% of the information I consume lol. But good to know! Thanks for the reply! I'll see if I can access that journal through my library.
I remember when they did the first video, the doctor made a joke about sticking a needle in his throat and he giggled and said he would never. Something about the fact that he ended up doing it makes me laugh, although it doesn’t surprise me at all 😂
@NumaNoom149 I totally understand it, but at the moment, I found it humorous. If I were him, I would be concerned if there were a risk, it could do some nerve or muscle dammage and change the voice.
I am so looking forward to this! Thank you, Will, Elizabeth and the whole team for your willingness & passion to further vocal research. Also, Elizabeth has mentioned how music lights up so many areas of the brain. Now, when I hear a song I love, I'll imagine my brain lighting up like a Christmas tree, lol. Maybe you can show some brain scans in a future project!
Only Elizabeth could come up with actual dissection of harsh vocals 😁 Congratulations to everyone involved, especially to Will for being so brave. It was certainly a huge day for science. Thank you for sharing that beautiful research with us, it was extraordinary!
I’m a speech therapist and while I don’t specialize in voice, I love learning about it. I can’t believe this isn’t being talked about more in the field. SO COOL
I was just getting over my first bout of covid when we filmed this. I was supposed to, but I wasn't healthy enough to do the tests. I will next time, however!
Great admiration for Will Ramos on going through all this with such a great attitude. You will go down in history for what you've helped to do here. Well deserved! Total respect to you sir. With great friends like Elizabeth, Kirk you can't go wrong! The Charismatic Voice combines real analysis with music reactions to make a whole new kind of content. Welcome to the leading edge!
Every second of this video was absolutely fascinating. Thank you guys so much! I’m sure this took a ton of time and effort. Just know we appreciate it and we’re dying for more!
I was so sorry that I couldn't participate in this live. I had a work meeting that started at 11 AM EDT and went for 90 minutes. Ugh! I did watch the whole performance start to finish and I am just mesmerized! All of the participants were amazing! The skill level of everyone, Will, E!, the Doctors/researchers, and all of the staff was so much more comprehensive than a well-oiled machine. I am certain that once all of the findings are published; it will be groundbreaking and many will get the benefits of this study. Well done E! This once again shows why you are THE BEST at what you do. Thank you for sharing your talent with all of us!
Lorna Shore now has an R&D department
Underrated comment 😂😂😂😂
Hah! 😂
This comment deserves a million likes 😂😂😂😂😂
You just might have won the internet xDD
this sure as hell wasn't on my 2020s bingo card
I think Will’s willingness to stick needles and cameras into his throat makes him more badass than his music, tats, cars, etc.!!
His name is Will, not Wont!
Yeah imagine letting someone stick needles in your moneymaker. Don’t slip and damage those amazing vocal nerves/muscles!!! So brave for real.
✌️😎👍
don't forget nerf guns on that list
@@Whoracle8531 its this one for me 😂 100%
2 years from now: "WE REMOVED WILL RAMOS THROAT AND ANALIZED IT"
Ahahahahahahahaha. FOR SCIENCE!
analized...?
@itstheazorean yes. Exactly.
Hopefully analyzed, and not analized. I don't think he'd appreciate his throat being pooped through
@@asandstorm if it’s removed…..AND FOR SCIENCE……anything goes
Hearing scientists say "the moose" and "the goblin" about his screams was hilarious
I mean, that's how Will identifies them. So on all the worksheets we put together, those were the classifications. We look forward to creating a glossary once we get more artists that have very distinct sounds with names attributed to them.
@@TheCharismaticVoice Nice! I like it. True to form, "We did something here. Ok, what's next? Onward!"- Elizabeth 🥳🤓🤔
@@TheCharismaticVoice if this work is published please give it a nice little reference title
More artist??? Please do go on
@@TheCharismaticVoiceas a researcher myself, I'm really happy to see something like this. All of it.
Will needs a t-shirt: "I got stabbed in the neck by an opera singer and all I got was this epic friendship!"
That would confuse everyone in public
@@Dotthedese That would be the best part!😆
It sounds more like the title of an awesome Isekai🤣
That’s way too long to fit on a t-shirt
"All I Got" In this instance seems, I don't even know the adjective...a friendship like they have developed is a rare thing, some temporary physical discomfort seems like a small price to pay....
Elizabeth is actually the most metal of us all- CONFIRMED
Hahaha, I don't know about that.
@@TheCharismaticVoice as you're giddy with excitement about stabbing our dear william through the neck. A likely story. This could be an episode of Metalocalypse with a few lighting edits.😘
@@TheCharismaticVoice Will wins the most metal award for letting you do this! What a good sport. 🤘🤘🤘
@@TheCharismaticVoice if you want to do this with other harsh vocalists in the future I have a few suggestions. Tatiana from Jinjer could be cool because of how she is able to do such low powerful growls while being a woman. Tom barber could be cool also since he has very identifiable vocals he may have a different technique
@@TheCharismaticVoice Surely, your love for the "mechanics" behind the vocal techniques is beyond everyone else - much love!
The fact that his brain shut actions down as soon as they got too uncomfortable is a testament to how finely tuned Will has trained his voice to be. He was trying but he knew his limits and stopped to preserve his instrument.
it's pain avoidance.. we get the same thing on a macro level in Sports Science!
I'm still learning to do that honestly. I didn't think it would be as difficult as it is to just... stop. When something is uncomfortable or hurts. I thought i was doing it right but now i'm not just refining my technique with a coach but also kind of relearing to do it all over again but properly, and my coach is the one actually pushing me to stay safe and disciplined with my vocals to prevent (further) injury.
These voxals are definitely not as easy as one might think.
The Reassurance at 42:02 you could see it in Wills face and eyes that it helped him relax and calm down. It's just a really sweet moment i had to point out because its important to understand that he was probably a little stressed understandably so
Dr. Stark has an incredible way about her. I think it's also because of the rapport over the last two years of all working together that he trusts her completely.
I was literally about to say the same bc u really can see like a weight lifted off him as soon as she reinsured him it wouldn’t do any damage to him
Now "To the Hellfire" plays in my head...
"Can you feel it? These pins and needles"😁
If he openly weeps during that part from now on, I will understand.
I feel you!! I am not sure how many times I thought about it myself but it is not few😂
Genius.
He took this sentence personally... 🤣
Elisabeth saw the potential when she heard this line 😂
Never in my life did I expect to see metal vocalizations become a scientific pursuit like this. I'm completely enthralled by the concept of "primal" vocalization and what we might be able to learn about screaming through biological and evolutionary perspectives. I'm also eager to peer into the throats of other metal vocalists to see how they contort and engage their muscles and the impact it has on their sound and vocal capabilities. Amazing work Will, Elizabeth, and the entire UofU team!
I would love to see inside Randy Blythe's vocal tract. He's been doing it as long or longer than most so it would be interesting to see what his vocal tract looks like now.
Well I can say one thing. I've seen a lot of laryngoscopys and most vocalist do not contort their throat in the way will does, even when producing very similar sounds.
There's a lot of naivety in the way this is handled in my personal opinion. I hope we do see more of these though.
@@KornyRock Idk man calling it naive is pretty insane considering the people involved with this study. I'm sure they know what they're doing and have probably seen more laryngoscopys than either of us.
@@rennac9666 I'm not hating, it's just they use terms like vocal fry to describe the screams, which you can see in this video even that vocal fry plays 0 part in a fry scream. I'm unsure of the credentials of those involved and the study is also not yet complete. You also have to consider this this is just one video, and it is possible for people not to tell the entire truth or spin things a certain way.
If you're suggesting that Dr. Ingo Titze does not have the credentials necessary to assess or comment on what was occurring during these tests, I would highly reconsider researching who he is.
I think all the doctors, Elizabeth, and Kirk should now go to a Lorna Shore concert together and film their reactions. I would love to see them rock out for science!
I'd be totally down for that!
I don’t think people really grasp the concept of how monumental this research is. This is practically the first of its kind and is huge step in both medical and musical science. What a time to be alive!
Typical reactor: I will bob my head and not purchase the music
Elizabeth: I WILL DO SCIENCE TO YOU AND WE'LL FOREVER BE FRIENDS AFTERWARD
Since the first video of the scope, when he stayed with Elizabeth and her husband...you could tell they were going to be life long friends...and I'm still waiting for a Lorna Shore ft Elizabeth Zharoff track...I can dream
@@taylor_driftI’m waiting too - even though it *might* be the genesis of a reality ripping singularity.
@jeffk1482 what I would love to hear is a technique switch between them...Elizabeth doing harshes and will doing operatic...or an opera duet with will still doing his harshes in place of operatic...Holy potato
@@taylor_drift I had the same general idea!
@@taylor_drift Phantom of the Opera!!!
Huge respect to Will Ramos for volunteering and making himself available for research. Really taking a big one for the team and helping furthering the science on vocal function. So a sincere thanks to you mr Ramos🙏. You rock 😎🤘... Obviously! 😆👍
Many people have pointed this out in other videos, but Will's golden retriever personality is so endearing and funny when contrasted with the type of music he makes and his personal style. He's a delight to watch and kept such a good attitude through the tests, even when it was clear he was super uncomfy.
He kinda reminds me of my dog. He's a Rottie with a big scary bark, but all he does is goof around and wants anyone, everyone to play stick or ball with him. He's just a big goof and couch potato.
@@rachelhignett9473 please deliver pets to your good boi
If they do with Alex Terrible they'll found out there's a portal of hell in his throat.
MRI shows....Lucifer?
@@DaddyKhaosAsmodeus
Beelzebub
Cj Mcreery, A pit of rot, purged of mud
@@aydrazx You spelled Will Ramos wrong
Not one bit surprised that Will tested his clean singing with a Sleep Token song 😂
When I was at that part: "of course it has to be a Sleep Token song".
Not surprised at all!
Was such an endearing moment. I was laughing thinking aww it's his comfort blanket
I hope Vessel & co watch this video
Same lolol
That MRI scan would make a great album cover
I have to say as someone who has been listening to this kind of music for 20+ years and being told by friends, family or anyone who finds out I listen to this music say "oh the screamers? There is no talent. It's just noise." Seeing people taking the time, energy and resources to put science behind primal vocals. Yes I'm using that now lol. It brought me so much joy I was tearing up. I can't wait for this to be in a written research document. This is so great. I hope you convince more vocalists to take part in this research like Dani Filth, Alex Terrible, Kyle from Brand of Sacrifice and Bryan Garris from Knocked Loose. Angela Gossow wrote theory articles about how she did her growls but it musty focused on how she used her diaphragm. So it is exciting that we are doing the theory about how to us your vocal chords, tongue and head space added on to how we know how to use breath control, posture and diaphragm. I'm so excited for this. Like I said I have been listening to this type of music for 20+ years and it makes me so happy that science is now backing what my ears and heart have been hearing.
Top picks for me would be Alex Terrible, Tom Barber, Jonny Davy from Job For A Cowboy, and Vicky Psarakis
@@Mandingy24 I couldn't agree more. Phil Bozeman from Whitechapel too. Chaney from Entheos. Hell yeah.
1. This was absolutely amazing!
2. I am not a vocalist, but have a neurological disorder that has caused me to lose my speech. I wish I had the ability to do this for science.
3. I'm 38 and lost my ability to speak 4 years ago........I won't lie I teared up in the end when Will said, "You only have one voice, once you lose it it's gone."
4. Will and Elizabeth was the collab we didn't know we needed!
Oh my lord! I am sorry to hear that. What is the name of the disorder if that is not too much?
Why no heart here?
@@rnbsteenstar I'm happy to answer questions about it. It's called Autoimmune Encephalitis, but because of my loss of speech and other functions my doctors also believe that I have Lambert-Eaton Myasthenic Syndrome
@@Panda_Biscuits OH my good God! Is there any knowledge out there about what causes those horrible things?
@@rnbsteenstar There is some knowledge out there but not a ton. I am hopeful that science will gain a better understanding after learning more about long covid because the mechanism of long covid and the type of Autoimmune Encephalitis I have are very similar. As of right now it is mostly chalked up to bad luck and genetics. The plus side is that they don't necessarily have to have an extremely thorough understanding of what causes it in order to treat it. I have been receiving regular treatments for the past year and a half and it has improved my quality of life significantly and I am extremely grateful for that!
I can just imagine Will after the procedure: “You know what these needles look sick, leave them in”
lol i even read that in Wills voice!!! lol🤣🤣
or cool tattoo of the wires :)
"... Can you feel it? These pins and needles..."
Into the Hellfire lyrics manifested this 😅
As both a death metal vocalist and a neurophysiologist, this is pure gold! Incredible!
"Primal Vocalization" is the most metal thing I've ever heard.
His music is not something i typically listen to, but the talent required and the dedication needed to allow the science to be done impresses me.
I started to listen Lorna Shore like half a year from now, and still the only deathcore band that I'm listening to...but I listen to them almost every day. I just love Will's vocals and the melody of the songs.
@@attila0323 Deathcore*
@@Achrila I remembered this morning I might wrote the wrong genre, thank you! I'll edit it. Actually I listen a lot of metalcore. :)
As a PhD student in Experimental Medicine and a metalhead, this is THE BEST VIDEO EVER! It was so amazing and interesting, you made history! Metal AF! Thank you for sharing all this, from a scientific point of view it is extremely interesting and my mind right now is literally exploding! Will you really are a unicorn and Elizabeth you are metal af! 🤘❤
Love from Italy!
This is so fucking sick dude.
edit: the part with the needles was horrific but also fascinating. Huge props to Will for going through it for SCIENCE.
Will is such a trooper. He has gone above and beyond what, I believe, most people, let alone performing artists, would go through for the sake of science.
Will subjecting himself to needles while being filmed FOR SCIENCE is the MOST METAL THING EVER!! 🤘🏻🔥
What a fascinating study! Will has given us all such a gift in offering up his unique talents for study. Allowing vocal experts in-depth insight into his distinctive vocal techniques in this extreme way will permit so many people to learn from him for years to come. Watching this actually made me uncomfortable for Will - I didn’t realize he would have pain with the needles in his muscles. I’m truly in awe of his ability to work through that and make the vocalizations anyway.
Thank you, Elizabeth, for recognizing the interest in this to the public and making this video available to all of us, that we might learn from this valuable research and also be entertained by this hilarious man!
Technically he is more metal than almost all vocalist. How many vocalist have actual metal in their vocal muscles when they scream. Will Ramos does!!! 😝
This will go down in history as the most extensive deep dive into screams.
Thanks for making our passion more than just a bunch of outcasts making noise.
You all are awesome. Thank you!
I hope not!
I hope this is only the start of a new wave of science. 😊
This research is actually invaluable. Understanding the vocal tract to the degree of depth that the data from these tests have provided could help so many people. This could help vocalists mitigate the risk of hurting themselves through scientifically backed coaching, provide insight for more advanced vocal reconstructive surgeries for people with vocal cord disorders, and possibly even be a stepping stone towards vocal modification surgeries that allow people to change aspects of their vocal range in the distant future.
This continuous collaboration with Will is one of the best crossovers in the history of RUclips.
I love that you are besties with Will Ramos now.
Rumor has it their actually siblings.
I don't think they are cause,will has hispanic roots while Elisabeth has slavic as i know
@@TakeAHikeMike no cause will is 100% Puerto rican:)
We might be siblings.
@@TheCharismaticVoice WHAT!?
How to make every person go through the credits: Will doing what he does best.
Our video editors spent a little time on those credits. I'm glad that time didn't go to waste!
His vocals in the credits are insane. He must have gone through just about every scream he has. I've been listening to metal for 25 years and that is probably the most metal thing I've ever heard.
I can never not listen to a chelsea grin song...please try and do a tom barber vocal analysis
This was fr the glaced premium über-cherry on top!
This should be on PBS as a NOVA special. Amazing work from everyone - thank you so much for taking us on this journey!
Agreed
Will is definitely a trooper. I don’t think the majority of vocalists would do this. He’s such a good dude.
This video came out on Will's 30th birthday is probably not a coincidence. What a legend!
Total coincidence, and a great one at that. We're presenting the first manuscript written off the data from these tests today (June 1st) and his birthday was the Friday before that presentation - so it all aligned!
Funny someone mentioned that, Will Ramos was born May 31st, 1994
I actually was born on June 1st, 1994
Easily my favorite Deathcore vocalist + his cleans in singing is so beautiful. Love the content, it was really fun & learning this. Kinda like a modern version of a Bill Nye the Science Guy episode!
It’s so metal of him to let y’all do this to him! I’m a 90s metalhead but I’ll have to check this dude out!!! 🤘🤘🤘
He's so fawking talented.
Can I recommend The Pain Remains Trilogy as a good starting point. There's a significant argument for To The Hellfire, and it wouldn't be a bad place to start, but The Pain Remains is an emotional masterpiece.
Will. You made history brother. For all us fellow screamer vocalist out there. I appreciate you
I love Will and Lorna Shore. As a metal head I’m so glad metal vocalists are getting the credit they deserve. This kind of stuff takes talent and I love that Will is getting recognized for that and putting metal vocalists on the map. Happy birthday Will!
This is why I support this channel via Patreon. I've seen no other creator put so much into his/her/their channel and passions. Will is a real trouper- going into a myriad of tests like this. I am serious when I think this should get on PBS nationwide. Where do I start to make it happen? Incredibly well done and fascinating as can be. Bravo to ALL who were a part of this production. Well worth it.
Thank you, Andrew. Truly. Your support is what makes things like this happen!
@@TheCharismaticVoice Most Welcome! I mean every word of it. 🥰 No one educates their audience like TCV.
Can you imagine every tea time interview ending with, "can I stick needles in your throat?" and now we've finally got the one that said yes?
I mean, Will's been all-in on the science since he crossed paths with Elizabeth. I really hope they've been able to consistently drag others into the pipeline for it. As amazing as the data Will's contributed has been, there's a *lot* to be learned from comparing and contrasting with others. If the only example of a building you ever saw was the leaning tower of Pisa, you might never realize that it was an anomaly. With Will being the baseline, more data's needed to find out if his techniques/methods/ability are consistent examples or anomalies. His eagerness to help find that out, and just general tendency to be an awesome person *are* a bit of an anomaly themselves, so it's hard to tell.
About that. I have not seen a tea time video for a while. Is there some works in the making?
Will is a freaking legend, period. Being willing to go through these uncomfortable procedures, for science, is soooo freaking cool ! You're both legends, now !
Will singing Sleep Token even with a camera down his throat is hilarious.
This is like a full on documentary! Fantastic work. Thank you so much for taking all of us on this journey, and thanks to Will for going through this FOR SCIENCE. I was definitely cringing when he was so clearly uncomfortable with the needles in his neck. Kudos. This was so interesting!
it is definitely a documentary and it deserves prizes
Thank you, Manon!!!
Hell yes!!!! I really hope you get to do this with more vocalists!
We're planning to do 10 more!
@@TheCharismaticVoice I’d be so keen to see Courtney Laplante’s vocals, if she is willing to of course
@@TheCharismaticVoice 😲
@@TheCharismaticVoiceI'm guessing Phil Freeman is going next?
Dickie allen would be awesome for this.
FANTASTIC sequel. This is awesome to be witnessing. Thank you so much to all involved. Hope to see more research and science, and the papers that come out of this.
This was the most interesting and extraordinary stuff, what I have ever seen. It totally impresses me.
Will is definitely one of my favorite people in the entire world!! He’s the human version of a golden retriever puppy!!!
😂
with a touch of Husky 😂💙
@@Patterner yeah😭
@@Patterner❤😂
From hell!
Happy birthday to this incredible man and vocalist Will Ramos, and thank you soo much for this video Elizabeth!
I cannot express how cool it has been to watch this channel evolve to doing actual science to help understand how some people, like Will Ramos, can do the amazing things they do
I can't believe what I just watched. This was the most incredible project I've seen in a RUclips video. The fact that the extraordinary talents of a metal singer were not only acknowledged but also cherished to the point of wanting to study them was already light years ahead of anything I would've expected as this type of music and singing are usually not valued at all outside of their fanbase. Then, on top of that, some remarkable science was done with it and I learned SO MUCH. Can't thank everyone involved enough. Will is a wild talent. This has blown my mind.
Hi Elizabeth!
Have you ever considered a tea time interview with Melissa Cross? She has worked with many different well known vocalist from the metal scene. Also she is the one who originally made up the terms "fry" and "false cord screaming" so it would be really interesting.
That is a brilliant idea for what could be a brilliant conversation. Melissa Cross has made so many contributions to the metal scene, it would be wonderful to see her shared with such an interested audience!
so amazing idea. i hope it will be happenin' 🙏🙏🙏 fingers crossed
I bought the zen of screaming by Melissa Cross it was interesting but I never practiced. Would love to see her involved.
Some haters love to spit on reaction channels without understanding what these channels bring to us.
Again, Elizabeth is the proof that we can learn a lot about music, and how sounds are produced by humans !
Thanks for all of theses interviews, researches, and explanations Elizabeth !
Elizabeth's channel is the first reaction channel that I started to follow, she can explain stuff very well.
@attila0323 So far I have only found 2 that I like. Elizabeth's, and Kardavox Academy's
We already knew how these sounds were made for the most part. It's been available knowledge for almost 10 years.
Indeed! Spot on response.
@@folik213check out the Fairy voice mother, she is another reactor that goes deep in explanation and went on to meet and work with beatboxers. 90% of reactors are just nobodies that make idiotic faces, but the good ones are great.
This was beyond groundbreaking. I am so speechless and I can’t wait to see the data and the findings that come from it. Thank you so much for doing this.
Props to Will for wanting to do this extensive of a study. He's gonna be studied for years in the vocalization field for years to come. That really makes me smile because he deserves to be remembered. Thank you Elizabeth for this amazing video! I hope to see more videos of you and Will together
This was literally the coolest thing ever. Will is inexplicably talented. Like those layers to those screams 🤯🤯🤯
It tells me so much about Will when he are so interested in finding out and learning more about his voice. I really just hope you guys don’t push it to far so he get injured and somethings changes in his throat. We can not afford that!
However, the last video you made going down the throat so we all could learn how his voice and sounds is being created was in my head award winning. I have no idea how many people I sent that video to. So I am really looking forward to this one. My birthday is on saturday so I see this video coming up as your birthday present to me. So THANK YOU so much! It was def. on my wishing list.
I love your channel, Elizabeth, and Thank you for showing the world what a loveable person both you and Will are❤
All of these tests are being performed by the top vocal research team in the world. We would never put Will or any artist in harms way.
100% not worried. These are top medical pros
This was extremely fascinating, and excellently produced. Kudos to everybody, seriously.
(Elizabeth's big sisterly concern and support for Will was adorable, btw.)
This was so incredibly cool. Will is an absolute trooper. It was really awesome to see all the science behind what he does and I really enjoyed seeing the doctors and researchers get excited about it too.
I think vocal pedagogy's focus on only the function of the folds themselves has always been very very short-sighted. The folds don't make you sound like you, they aren't the be-all-end-all, and these videos are actually breaking people's common assumptions finally. I love this so much
Its been known for a while that the false folds, arytenoids, areyeppiglottic folds and other cartilage and tissues affect your sound and are used in screams
Yes @KornyRock, but very little research has been done on those structures. Tools and instrumentation is now becoming sufficient enough to start doing this type of research, but getting highly qualified individuals like Will has been very difficult.
@TheCharismaticVoice I'd love to see this with more extreme vocalists, there's a lot of people with a very interesting sound, it would be interesting to see your take on how the actual mechanisms of each scream differs from what you've seen here.
I agree 100%. The next phase which we'll reveal in the next couple months will be with 5-10 more artists, some of which do vocalizations similar to Will, and some that do very different distortions. We want a full catalogue across the board.
@@TheCharismaticVoicethank you for this project, that's wonderful news.
I’m so excited for this. Thank you for sharing not only your love and passion for music, but also the hard work to push our collective understanding of the voice and music further.
Bro down for science, I love it. This is the dude that many say I don't want around my kid, and I am like I need more Wills in my kids' lives. Experience has been that harsh vocalist and really heavy musicians have been some of the best people I ever met.
This was an incredible watch. I'm glad you guys were able to get this research done. Thanks Will and co for putting this all together
Elizabeth, you have made such a difference today (again). Thank you to you, Kirk, and the entire team of specialists. Will Ramos, you are a legend. Proud to be a Patron of both of y'all.
It's so excited to be witnessing a new topic of scientific exploration. Thank you for seeking out this new understanding of harsh vocals and sharing it with the world!
Also, "the demon" himself wearing a "Cat Dad" hat killed me.
He loves his furballs.
He missed his cats the entire trip. It's so endearing!
@@TheCharismaticVoice Dusti and Bobbi are the cutest! I love all cats too. ♥️
Words can't describe how dope the term "Primal Vocals" is. Sounds way cooler than "harsh vocals" imo.
This was actually really interesting to watch! As someone who started vocals about 3 years ago it really helped to know exactly what happens in your throat and to make sure you're doing it correctly without damaging your vocal chords. Ps to all the people that think that metal vocals are easy and don't require constant practice and caution.... HOW ABOUT YOU TRY IT!!!!
As someone who has been practicing harsh vocals for almost 2 years now this is so helpful to people like me so we can see the mechanics and learn to use it all or isolate it. Thank you awesome people for this! You’re all the best.
Congrats to Elizabeth for coordinating this, really interesting and well done. Really well structured and edited, feels like it is a video science paper. Super interesting and well accomplished for everyone, fascinating stuff from Will and the Utah scientists.
Will seems like a great guy & is certainly a consummate professional in all his visits to this channel but this goes above & beyond. Fantastic job by Will, the doctors and Elizabeth in putting this all together. Thank you all.
He's basically constricting his throat around razors. No wonder high pressure screams hurt more. Hopefully science can improve and make this more comfortable in the future. We need to see all the screams
Will is so incredibly talented, but also so brave for having needles poked in his throat. What a bad ass!
TRAVIS👏🏻RYAN👏🏻OF👏🏻CATTLE👏🏻DECAP👏🏻NEED👏🏻TO👏🏻DO👏🏻THIS👏🏻HES👏🏻THE👏🏻BEST!!! He even does this sound where it sounds like two different voices AT ONCE!!!
Polyphonic singing?
Overtones or Polyphonic singing?
Are we nominating people? Can we add Tom Barber to the list? I'd love to see Elizabeth react to Tom too.
@@Kelly30stmid love to see that
I love how wills always like “if my mum saw this”😂🙏🏻
What an absolute champion Will. Good on you for going through all the anxiety and discomfort. What a gem of a person. Will be really interesting to see what comes of this research, especially as the MRI models are put together!
If this results in a journal publication, we would love to know!!
5. There are 5 manuscripts being written on the data, with another 2 possibles. First manuscript comes out in 2 weeks on the acoustical analysis.
@@kirkmccune7944 ...this was said in the video huh? Gosh I wish I could retain 100% of the information I consume lol. But good to know! Thanks for the reply! I'll see if I can access that journal through my library.
I remember when they did the first video, the doctor made a joke about sticking a needle in his throat and he giggled and said he would never. Something about the fact that he ended up doing it makes me laugh, although it doesn’t surprise me at all 😂
I love how Elizabeth saw him and immediately was like “I’m gonna do science experiments on him”
LOL, "I was worried about the needles," said the man with an incredible number of tatoos😂
Tattoos are so much more different, plus they don’t go as deep. I’m not a fan of needles either, but a tattoo is a totally different experience.
@NumaNoom149 I totally understand it, but at the moment, I found it humorous. If I were him, I would be concerned if there were a risk, it could do some nerve or muscle dammage and change the voice.
I am so looking forward to this! Thank you, Will, Elizabeth and the whole team for your willingness & passion to further vocal research. Also, Elizabeth has mentioned how music lights up so many areas of the brain. Now, when I hear a song I love, I'll imagine my brain lighting up like a Christmas tree, lol. Maybe you can show some brain scans in a future project!
Brain scans of Will when he listens to Sleep Token 😂
@@K0ticQueen7693 Yes! Let's see that dopamine rush! 😄
Only Elizabeth could come up with actual dissection of harsh vocals 😁
Congratulations to everyone involved, especially to Will for being so brave.
It was certainly a huge day for science.
Thank you for sharing that beautiful research with us, it was extraordinary!
Damn, Will is a trooper! His willingness to put himself through these procedures, despite how uncomfortable some of them were, is truly appreciated.
Of course a Sleep Token song would make its way into a Will video 😂 happy birthday will! Great video Elizabeth and gang 🎉
The Pain Remains pt IV! So stoked for this.
This will be good. I sincerely hope the outro music will be Thomas Dolby's hit, "She Blinded Me with Science".
That’s our analysis for Monday!
Awesome that he did it all! He will go down in history as the guinea pig of science for nose ear and throat. Great job!
I’m a speech therapist and while I don’t specialize in voice, I love learning about it. I can’t believe this isn’t being talked about more in the field. SO COOL
I'm so glad the scientists get more camera time and focus this time around!! STEM is sexy, and those scientists are heroes!! Thank you, Elizabeth!
I would love to see you do this Elizabeth. Would be great to compare to Wills harsh vocals
I was just getting over my first bout of covid when we filmed this. I was supposed to, but I wasn't healthy enough to do the tests. I will next time, however!
Great admiration for Will Ramos on going through all this with such a great attitude. You will go down in history for what you've helped to do here. Well deserved! Total respect to you sir. With great friends like Elizabeth, Kirk you can't go wrong! The Charismatic Voice combines real analysis with music reactions to make a whole new kind of content. Welcome to the leading edge!
Beautifully said, thank you Digibirder!
This ranks as one of the most awesome videos I have seen! Please continue with the research!
Thanks!
Once upon a time...in a Teatime Interview. .and here we are ❤ amazing. Love it.❤❤❤
So crazy how this has happened!
Thank you to Will, Elizabeth, Kirk and everyone else involved in making this happen. Will is the most metal of metal!
Every second of this video was absolutely fascinating. Thank you guys so much! I’m sure this took a ton of time and effort. Just know we appreciate it and we’re dying for more!
Well done! This research will help countless people.
I was so sorry that I couldn't participate in this live. I had a work meeting that started at 11 AM EDT and went for 90 minutes. Ugh! I did watch the whole performance start to finish and I am just mesmerized! All of the participants were amazing! The skill level of everyone, Will, E!, the Doctors/researchers, and all of the staff was so much more comprehensive than a well-oiled machine. I am certain that once all of the findings are published; it will be groundbreaking and many will get the benefits of this study. Well done E! This once again shows why you are THE BEST at what you do. Thank you for sharing your talent with all of us!
I gotta say Amanda's way of explaining the different tests are outstanding! So easily to understand for a complete novice ❤
Will is so down to earth and chill, absolutely no ego, man that's awesome and I wish I could afford to do the $300 vocal course.
Thanks for doing this this is really cool stuff. These videos will be looked at by many metal vocalists for years and years to come.