2 fine Examples you have there, and I’m sure the Wrenn will run right when you’ve worked your magic. It’s Great to see these Models pulling a Good long Rake on your Extensive Track. Great episode many thanks 🙏🏻
That looks familiar. Looks like what I had late 60's. It did fail, but the electrician next door fixed. I wish I had kept. Come the 80's I bought a Lima set with loads of track for my son . Amazingly, he still has it in boxes.
Those tyres were certainly in a state they had definitely been tyres to long ,and what a difference when back on the tracks ,lovely runner ,nice to see the comparison between the 2 locos. Wishing you a merry Christmas 🎅
Nice work Mr Snooze. I'm not a fan of traction tyres but sadly some models are next to useless without them, it seems as though they were used as a cheap alternative to engineering the model to work without them. I'm sure you'll have the Wrenn running just as well with a good service, its probably the first time its run in a long while. All the best, cheers Rob.
Nice work. Hornby Dublo made some excellent 2 rail models and it looks like yours was an easy fix. Maybe if you added oil to the Wrenn axels then left it overnight it might run better? I've found that a period for the oil to work into the old grease has made such a difference. Merry Christmas to you and your family from Australia. Mon
Hello Mon, I've got some Peco Powerlube to try, it's supposed to help conduct current so when the axles are clean on the Wrenn I'll give it a try. Happy Christmas to you and your family too, I hope you have a great festive season
Two nice locomotives mr snooze and you will soon have the wren up and running . It is behaving like a r55 of mine due to one of the worm gears being to far up the armature shaft. Anyway a merry Christmas to you and family when it comes.
I find the Wrenn Class 20s are prone to poor connectivity between the axles and the chassis causing exactly the running issues we just saw on this video. Contact cleaner seems to work quite well to degrease it and also I think the force of the spray dislodges the old solidified oils. Once purged, a little light oil finishes the job. Looking forward to your Christmas week video. Best wishes for the festive season.
I've seen traction tyres harden and slip or break but I have never had any turn to a gooey mess like that. The replacement was straight forward for you, another bonus from these old models. Looking at the two models I wondered if you would be able to put both power bogies into one shell and have a super powered class 20? I'm sure the Wrenn unit just needs a good service, it will be interesting to see how you get on with that. David.
Interesting; probably motor synchronisation would beat you, especially as time from last service increased. The real problem is pickup, traction tyres compromising everything. Interesting that Wrenn decided to put both traction tyres on one side, thus losing the opportunity of engineering 6 wheel pickup. At least in my experience with Bo-Bo wheel arrangements, the minimum for current pickup reliability is 8 wheels (both sides of 4 axles), and failing that because of the need for traction tyers, 6 wheels (both sides of 3 axles) picking up. In my case definitely NOT helped by a moisture laden environment. Without traction tyres the Bo-Bo's won't pull the skin off a rice custard, yet an O-4-0 like the Triang dock shunter pulls well. I remember Iain Rice surveying a photo of his well stoked loco depot, and pointing out an O-4-0 as being a wolf in sheep's clothing: it could outpull anything on the layout. The HD modellers don't favour 3 rail for nothing. Really encouraged to see ideas thrown around. Peter
I've never thought about two motor units, that's an interesting idea. I'm looking forward to getting back to sorting the Wrenn engine. Take care, all the best to you
@@petert9749 Hello Peter. Thank you for weighing in on this. I've never experienced a motor synchronisation issue with any of my experiments. I do hope Mr Snooze gives it a go. David.
@@trainsontuesday David: and thankyou for discussing the point; where else can we go? I was at a friend's place, as it happened standing near a garden table. Mischievously I remarked in a carefully moderated unaware tone 'Is this where you make your trains?' The look from the assembled listeners said it all. From memory, the only person I know of who tried double motor bogies did have problems; your feedback is very much appreciated. Sadly, the experimenter is long gone. His model was an R159 and the experiment never repeated. Presumably you carefully selected two well-matched bogies, and presumably when one of the pair starts to lag you are quick to service. I notice, particularly in O scale, twin motoring is gaining popularity. Often I think of the old, old saying: 'One motor bogie, one migraine tablet; two motor bogies, two migraine tablets. Currently being an amateur and trying to install an N scale FM mech into a scratch-built chassis; I know a lot about migraine tablets. I currently have in proverbial 'bits' a model contemporary with the Class 58 (I think that's the vintage you have). Time got me in the neck and so it will be in bits for a while. If you want to discuss ideas without double motoring, Snooze knows where I am. I hope to get Snooze to share his setup for line boring the Brush 2 bogie. Encouraging things happening. You, Oscar, and Snooze have done something of great value. It is complex subject, but to simplify it, you have a formula whereby stress evaporates, and the rest of us feel free to comment, and that goes double for those of us born with a screwdriver in our mouth (grammar?). Dave Ramirez' RUclips 'Warbonnet Trains on motor servicing is also worth a visit, similarly Marklin of Sweden. High time Snooze put a model Aston Martin DB on his layout, and parked it under a tree (In Australia NEVER park under a Eucalypt! NEVER) That should not get me in toooo much trouble; no brand names mentioned.
Looks as though the tyres had been replaced with the gooey "Bullfrog Snot" which is what I used to replace the perished tyres on my 2230 Hornby 2 Rail. It took a bit of patience to put the stuff on but it's lasted a few years now and the loco runs very well on its occasional outings. Replacement tyres of the correct size are not easily found here in Australia.
It sounds like you did a good job on your tyres. I've found even good quality replacements don't last anywhere near as long as the old originals. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
I do like the HD Class 20….back in the late 60s there was one in a toyshop window several miles from where we lived and myself and a mate would walk the several miles just to stare at it! Guess it was a surplus item as HD had stopped production by then. I also think the Class 20 is a good runner when set up right. I cant understand why HD did not use same power bogie on their EMU and Electric E3002 loco, particularly the latter.
You are certainly right about this being a great power bogie. I really like the Hornby Dublo Class 20. I'm sure the Wrenn item will be excellent too. Its nice that the motor looks identical. Best regards to you
By I've enjoyed your running sessions many happy returns and best wishes Patrick
Hello Patrick, Happy New Year to you as well. Thanks for watching. Best regards to you
2 fine Examples you have there, and I’m sure the Wrenn will run right when you’ve worked your magic. It’s Great to see these Models pulling a Good long Rake on your Extensive Track. Great episode many thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks for watching, there should be an update soon on the Wrenn. All the best to you
Great video Mr Snooze as always, looking forward to more content in the New Year . Have a great Christmas . Richard
Happy Christmas to you too Richard, thanks for watching
Mr Snooze thanks for all your videos always very informative in assisting me with my super four track setup. Best wishes for Xmas & New Year and 2024.
Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos. It's great to hear you enjoy the content. Seasons greetings to you also
That looks familiar. Looks like what I had late 60's. It did fail, but the electrician next door fixed.
I wish I had kept. Come the 80's I bought a Lima set with loads of track for my son . Amazingly, he still has it in boxes.
Your son must have liked those lima items to keep them. They are good models. Best regards to you
@MrSnooze Yeah , I asked him yesterday if he had plans to rebuild.
So far, none.
Those tyres were certainly in a state they had definitely been tyres to long ,and what a difference when back on the tracks ,lovely runner ,nice to see the comparison between the 2 locos.
Wishing you a merry Christmas 🎅
Happy Christmas to you too Martin, Have a great festive season
Nice work Mr Snooze. I'm not a fan of traction tyres but sadly some models are next to useless without them, it seems as though they were used as a cheap alternative to engineering the model to work without them. I'm sure you'll have the Wrenn running just as well with a good service, its probably the first time its run in a long while.
All the best, cheers Rob.
I think I shall stop using the rubber band type traction tyre. They are not as good as good quality items. Take care, all the best to you
Nice work.
Hornby Dublo made some excellent 2 rail models and it looks like yours was an easy fix.
Maybe if you added oil to the Wrenn axels then left it overnight it might run better? I've found that a period for the oil to work into the old grease has made such a difference.
Merry Christmas to you and your family from Australia.
Mon
Hello Mon, I've got some Peco Powerlube to try, it's supposed to help conduct current so when the axles are clean on the Wrenn I'll give it a try. Happy Christmas to you and your family too, I hope you have a great festive season
Good one . Merry Christmas Mr Snooze
Thanks Russell, Happy Christmas to you too
Two nice locomotives mr snooze and you will soon have the wren up and running . It is behaving like a r55 of mine due to one of the worm gears being to far up the armature shaft. Anyway a merry Christmas to you and family when it comes.
That sounds interesting about your worn gear issue, I hope moving it along the shaft a little sorted it out for you. Best regards to you
I find the Wrenn Class 20s are prone to poor connectivity between the axles and the chassis causing exactly the running issues we just saw on this video. Contact cleaner seems to work quite well to degrease it and also I think the force of the spray dislodges the old solidified oils. Once purged, a little light oil finishes the job. Looking forward to your Christmas week video. Best wishes for the festive season.
I agree. Just like later hornby ringfields, the light oil is what does the magic. Not just as a lube but by keeping dissimilar metal oxidiation at bay
I've got my hands on some Peco PowerLube so will try it out on the Wrenn. All the best to you
Be interested to know how that works.
I've seen traction tyres harden and slip or break but I have never had any turn to a gooey mess like that. The replacement was straight forward for you, another bonus from these old models. Looking at the two models I wondered if you would be able to put both power bogies into one shell and have a super powered class 20? I'm sure the Wrenn unit just needs a good service, it will be interesting to see how you get on with that. David.
Interesting; probably motor synchronisation would beat you, especially as time from last service increased. The real problem is pickup, traction tyres compromising everything. Interesting that Wrenn decided to put both traction tyres on one side, thus losing the opportunity of engineering 6 wheel pickup. At least in my experience with Bo-Bo wheel arrangements, the minimum for current pickup reliability is 8 wheels (both sides of 4 axles), and failing that because of the need for traction tyers, 6 wheels (both sides of 3 axles) picking up. In my case definitely NOT helped by a moisture laden environment. Without traction tyres the Bo-Bo's won't pull the skin off a rice custard, yet an O-4-0 like the Triang dock shunter pulls well. I remember Iain Rice surveying a photo of his well stoked loco depot, and pointing out an O-4-0 as being a wolf in sheep's clothing: it could outpull anything on the layout.
The HD modellers don't favour 3 rail for nothing.
Really encouraged to see ideas thrown around.
Peter
I've never thought about two motor units, that's an interesting idea. I'm looking forward to getting back to sorting the Wrenn engine. Take care, all the best to you
I have a couple of locos with dual motors, they work well. I recently bought a class 58 and hope to find a second motor for that.
@@petert9749 Hello Peter. Thank you for weighing in on this. I've never experienced a motor synchronisation issue with any of my experiments. I do hope Mr Snooze gives it a go.
David.
@@trainsontuesday David: and thankyou for discussing the point; where else can we go?
I was at a friend's place, as it happened standing near a garden table. Mischievously I remarked in a carefully moderated unaware tone 'Is this where you make your trains?' The look from the assembled listeners said it all.
From memory, the only person I know of who tried double motor bogies did have problems; your feedback is very much appreciated. Sadly, the experimenter is long gone. His model was an R159 and the experiment never repeated.
Presumably you carefully selected two well-matched bogies, and presumably when one of the pair starts to lag you are quick to service. I notice, particularly in O scale, twin motoring is gaining popularity. Often I think of the old, old saying: 'One motor bogie, one migraine tablet; two motor bogies, two migraine tablets. Currently being an amateur and trying to install an N scale FM mech into a scratch-built chassis; I know a lot about migraine tablets.
I currently have in proverbial 'bits' a model contemporary with the Class 58 (I think that's the vintage you have). Time got me in the neck and so it will be in bits for a while. If you want to discuss ideas without double motoring, Snooze knows where I am. I hope to get Snooze to share his setup for line boring the Brush 2 bogie. Encouraging things happening.
You, Oscar, and Snooze have done something of great value. It is complex subject, but to simplify it, you have a formula whereby stress evaporates, and the rest of us feel free to comment, and that goes double for those of us born with a screwdriver in our mouth (grammar?). Dave Ramirez' RUclips 'Warbonnet Trains on motor servicing is also worth a visit, similarly Marklin of Sweden.
High time Snooze put a model Aston Martin DB on his layout, and parked it under a tree (In Australia NEVER park under a Eucalypt! NEVER)
That should not get me in toooo much trouble; no brand names mentioned.
Looks as though the tyres had been replaced with the gooey "Bullfrog Snot" which is what I used to replace the perished tyres on my 2230 Hornby 2 Rail. It took a bit of patience to put the stuff on but it's lasted a few years now and the loco runs very well on its occasional outings. Replacement tyres of the correct size are not easily found here in Australia.
It sounds like you did a good job on your tyres. I've found even good quality replacements don't last anywhere near as long as the old originals. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
I do like the HD Class 20….back in the late 60s there was one in a toyshop window several miles from where we lived and myself and a mate would walk the several miles just to stare at it! Guess it was a surplus item as HD had stopped production by then. I also think the Class 20 is a good runner when set up right. I cant understand why HD did not use same power bogie on their EMU and Electric E3002 loco, particularly the latter.
You are certainly right about this being a great power bogie. I really like the Hornby Dublo Class 20. I'm sure the Wrenn item will be excellent too. Its nice that the motor looks identical. Best regards to you
It’s almost like the “sticky switches “ you get on early 2000s Ferraris.
I wonder if there is something in the Italian switches that goes a bit gluey? Take care, all the best to you