Understanding Patchbays
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Finally, someone who gets straight to the point and doesn't waste his or our time with BS. I appreciate your style.
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Normaled, half Normaled, non Normaled, you explained all that very well and now I finally understand! Thanks for this video.
Glad it helped!
Nice concise and clear explanation. Thanks for the refresher course!
I just provided a patchbay with 7 channels mono sound for people with recording hardware, or camera's, You can patch one for one, to get 7 outputs, of HD audio. I used an Neutrik patchbay that was lying around here. So the setup was, mic, mixer, limiter compressor, a DI box to separate our gear with theirs. And it's great, that is also how you can use a patch.
I love these conversations that you do
Thanks Noki, I really appreciate that!
Thanks for demystifying this!
Thanks Barry for your video. Nice info. What is the hardware uses unbalanced connections?
How do you find the Redco vs Switchcraft (tt) in regards to quality? I have a 2 switchcrafts and need to add another patchbay tt, and the Redco's are definitely cheaper. Any advice?
The same, the only think I like more about the switchcraft is that I can change the normaling from the front, other than that I’d go with the redco! Actually, I bought the Redco after the switchcraft.
just landed here, amazing your way to explain! suscribed and sharing your content!!! greetins from argentina!
Ramiro, thanks a lot, I truly appreciate it!
THANKS, BARRY!
👏👏👍 bravo Guy
nice video man
Good one.
I love those Samson patchbays. I own 3 of them and have recommended them to countless friends. I kind of hate Banthom and I just don't see the reason for it now days. My biggest issue is because they're so small I have a hard time reading the channels and I pretty much always patch things in wrong every time I use one. I think if I were going to spend a bunch of money on a patch system now I would go with a digital one. But those Samsons are honestly perfectly fine and built like a tank.
The only advantages to Bantam vs 1/4” balance are as follows.
* More input/output points per single rack space.
* more secure rear connection due to being able to screw in place DB25 connectors
* selectable normaling options, Normaled, Half Normaled, Non Normaled. Deal breaker for my workflow, I’ll be explaining more in a future video.
Higher quality connectors.
That being said, most people will be perfectly fine with a 1/4@ balanced patchbay.
@@BarryJohns Well the Samson has selectable normaling, and I think it's the easiest way of doing it. Just a simple switch on each channel. I do like how secure db25 are, BUT for me the issue is reparability. I make all my own cables and I like being able to just pull out a bad TRS and fix it real quick. For me the only one of these points that I personally can see as an advantage is the more condensed size, cramming more channels per unit. But again, that has its drawbacks too in terms of easily seeing what you're patching. I totally get why people use TT. Especially people with large consoles. But I think 1/4" gets a bad wrap as being inferior to TT and more of a "home studio" solution. And having spent my fair share in commercial studios that is a prevailing mindset. Granted, before the Samson one came out I would've agreed with them too. Every OTHER 1/4" patchbay I've used has been complete junk.
@@todddammit4628 I’m not familiar with the Sampson unit, the other 1/4” ones I’ve used I could not adjust normaling, so that’s good to know. I agree with you that most people are perfectly fine with a 1/4” patchbay. I need the space and much of my gear is already DB25 connectors, when I’m done I will have two 64 point bantam bays filled.
The only thing that drove me crazy with 1/4” front and back, as too many times when installing a new piece of gear, needing to roll the racks out to access the rear, I always seemed to pull something out or step on a cable causing loose connections on the back of the patchbay. When you try to pull the patchbay bout from the front of the rack, I almost always pulled cables from out of the rear. I wish they made them really deep so that the rear insert points were not so recessed into tie back of the rack. It was always a pain trying to get my fat fingers in there to check connections with deep rack gear above and below tie patchbay.
@@BarryJohns Yeah I've definitely had my share of that. One thing I do now is leave a vent either above or below the patchbay, that was I can just barely get my hand in there and push any loose connectors back in. Samson should make a DB25 patchbay, that'd probably sell well.
I didn't think I needed a patchbay, until I bought this one.
It's one of the best pieces of home studio hardware if you have several interfaces hooked up to your pc, and preamps/compressors.
Half Normal setting is amazing
Howdy! Ive never used a patchbay and Im a tad confused. If youre just going in and out of the patchbay, why wouldn't you just directly connect your interface to the eq or compressor or whatnot? Arent you just adding a superfluous piece of hardware in the chain?
I know I'm just missing something, so I look forward to any help I might get!!!
Hey Tyson, that’s a reasonable question. Depends on how many inputs/outputs you have on your interface. If you only have two pieces of hardware and have 8 channels of IO, you don’t need a patchbay. A patchbay enables you to not have to crawl behind gear and unplug-plug-in gear as you use it each time. I have 18 pieces of outboard hardware, but only 8 channels of I/O, so a patchbay is a must for me. I may want to track drums with those 8 channels, and then after use those same 8 channels as hardware inserts.
I’ll be coming out with a video in a week or so, going over in detail how I have mine wired and the logic behind it, stay tuned as that should make things seem clearer.
@@BarryJohns
Thanks for the reply! I look forward to that video
Can you do a video on your d command and how you integrate it
It’s on the list at some point, that’s a bit time consuming due to all the camera angles, but I will be doing it at some point. Thanks for watching!
You missed midi patchbays like the Signex CPM22M ;)
I don’t have any experience with that, honestly, is there really much of a need for something like that today? Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but aren’t most people using virtual instruments these days versus hardware keyboard?
@@BarryJohns VSTi's are nice but they chew up a lot of CPU quickly when you have several. If your using keyboards after the start of midi but before the take over of usb it can be useful. Also if you have a lot of usb hardware sometimes it floods the usb bus. So for those of us with a lot of midi equipment and a midi interface that has midi ports on its back its useful to have a midi patchbay (direct through) so the midi ports on the back of the midi interface are accessable without having to get to the back of a rack.
@@dodgingrain3695 Makes sense, I can play basic chords on a keyboard, but beyond that, guitar is my thing. I'd love to be able to play, but my right hand left hand coordination is better suited for guitar, not good enough for keys!
This is interesting. I don't know anyone who is using patchbays these days. I have four and my younger recording friends laugh at me because they only know plug-ins. I remember back in the day being confused by "normalled " and "half normalled".
Things have changed. I will be doing a video going over how I have mine wired and why, but yes, it’s a smaller audience.
I guess for people that still use a lot of analog gear for Hybrid mixing would still be using patch bays. As technology evolves companies like MOTU have created an innovative way of eliminating the hardware patch bays all together buy implementing virtual routing and patching digitally with in their AVB interface control app software. If you ever followed David's channel MixbusTV, he switched out his SSL Alpha link converters with all MOTU AVB interfaces and gotten rid of his two hard ware patch bays and messy cables. As long as you have the MOTU interface as your main interface connected to your computer, you can route and patch in all of your analog hardware using the AVB Webapp control app. This does not work if you a using another interface.
@@eman0828 That's great until the OS and or driver support ends.
@@MuzixMaker Not really because MOTU has historically been well known for supporting their drivers long term similar to RME. That's one of the reason why I switched to MOTU because I like to keep my interfaces for 10+ years. As I mentioned in another comment that the original MOTU 828 firewire interface was supported for over a 17 year long period of driver updates. That's a very long time considering how many people are still using older units.
I honestly thought you were Kelsey Grammar at a glance
I’ll take his money!
--..confusing presentation but other videos on gear are really good ....patchbays to veteran studio guys are second nature ..its hard to dumb down
This one should bring some clarity.
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