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Base Convexity Explained: Which version of the NH-D15 G2 should I choose?
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Taking platform-specific optimisation to a new level, the NH-D15 G2 is available in a regular, medium base convexity standard version as well as specialised Low Base Convexity (LBC) and High Base Convexity (HBC) variants. Use this video guide to help choose the best option for your system.
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction
03:38 - 1. Intel LGA1700
05:09 - 2. AMD AM5
06:16 - 6. Conclusion & Overview
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Further information:
noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-versio...
Product information:
NH-D15 G2 (Standard version): noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2
NH-D15 G2 HBC: noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-hbc
NH-D15 G2 LBC: noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-lbc
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A clear and concise explanation, thank you.
I do want that hoodie though.
Clear? Maybe you can explain me, if I should buy the HBC or normal version?
I am using a 13700K without contact frame for 2 years now on a NH-U12A. My guess is that I have to buy the HBC and also install the washers? Or HBC without washers? Or normal version?
I dont really get it to be honest.
Yes, HBC would be our recommendation for this setup. You could try the HBC both with and without washers to see what works best for you.
NP-H1.brown is the article number of that hoodie - they do sell them
@@NoctuaVideos im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how
But just like the fan is it also offered in Black?
I think a configurator tool as suggested in another comment would be very well received by the community.
That Noctua Hoodie looks mighty comfortable
Because it is. I have it.
Yeah perfect for summer lol
Now we wait, for @gamersnexus to get their hand on it!
im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how
His testing is irrelevant anyway because air coolers act differently in all builds. I don't need control testing to know that high-end air coolers are performing well because most high-end air coolers do perform well. Noctua doesn't have a reputation of disappointment either. I don't need some POS on RUclips to tell me that an air cooler is worthy when the name alone proves it's worthy.
@@jamesm568 Benchmarking human stupidity ?
@@griffin5734 synthetic bench marking is a joke anyway.
@@jamesm568 these benchmarks are only to see which one is better. yeah in reality everything looks diffrent but the worst one will nearly always be the worst one and that can be seen in these benchmarks.
I wish every company was like Noctua
overpriced?
Awesome video to help people get the right version. I personally am looking at the standard one. Thumbs up!
I'll get the standard version when my old D15 breaks down 😂
Probably be waiting a long time on that…
It will be a long wait!
And that is a good thing!
Thats not gonna happen
Great news, amazing piece of art, I hope I can get one for Ryzen 9000.
When will the new 140 mm full frame be launched? Shown in the video at 3:19 as an case exhaust fan?
The current ETA is September: noctua.at/en/noctua-at-computex-2024
@@NoctuaVideos Oh and one thing Noctua after spending an inordinate amount of time, preaching to the masses for years on Toms Hardware, about how you guys would provide an excellent service of shipping free future mounting kit anywhere in world for free, its a bit disappointing when you guys required invoice copy of new mobo. By the time it arrived, i had given up the wait and purchased the mounting kit locally. I understand there are cheats, but if i have receipts from noctua D15 in 2017, with my all out 8700k noctua build being a featured pcpartpicker build of the week, to now 2023 January, im upgrading to 13700k. warning you guys in advance, so it all lines up. Yes, ill have all the parts sitting around just waiting for the mount kit for a month , indefinitely. Ive still got the mounting kit sitting here. Do you want me to ship it back?
@@NoctuaVideos To clarify, there should have been a way for me too prove i wasnt a cheat, and to get the show on the road a bit sooner. Just imagine, $$$thousands of parts sitting indefinitely waiting for a mount kit. There limited time for hardware mobo failure quick refund vs going to long RMA process. Im not going to pass up that precious window. i cant afford to
I'm waiting since 2021 for these 140 x 25 ultra low noise fans, to replace my radiator standard fans. :D
Please speed up process on releasing the black version.
What a beautifully presented video.
Brilliant work! Thank you!
Can you please tell me when it comes out, the nf-a14x25 2024 this, along with the cooler, are the ones that interest me the most, I hope it doesn't exceed $75 per fan.
The square frame fan is targeted for September: www.noctua.at/roadmap
The good news is that Noctua ended up not using LCP (the super expensive material used for the fan blades because of its performance) for the fan frame, so it would not be that expensive.
How is it possible the contact frame has worse cooling performance versus the 1mm washers?
This is for medium and high base convexity coolers on fresh CPUs. The reason is that medium and high convexity versions show a better fit to the slight concavity of a fresh CPU with 1mm washers than to the flatter surface you tend to get with contact frames. Keep in mind that the differences are very small
I have a 14700k. Would the standard NH-D15 G2 be the suitable option to go for without the washers or the contact frame?
The standard version will work well, but if you don't use the washers or a contact frame, the HBC version would do even better!
NH-D15 G2 is a Robust and Quality product that worth the money and will work for at least a decade in the future!
If Intel announces a new socket later this year, I'm sure Noctua will provide a free upgrade, as they do with the current generation of NH-D15.
p.s. Noctua, please turn off monetization for the channel because now the ads are from the competition and looks so, so off!
Thank you for your kind feedback, the NH-D15 G2 already supports LGA1851 out of the box, so no need for upgrades! ;)
Monetization is turned off for our channel, so normally you shouldn't get any ads!
dear noctua will there be a nice heatsink cover again
No plans for heatsink covers yet, but if we see sufficient demand, we will look into it!
What about for AM4?
LBC is what we recommend for AM4: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921
Would the Gen 2 versions (Std/HBC/ LBC) be made available in India? If so, by when can we expect it to come here?
We hope to have it available in India in the next 2-3 months. In the meantime, you should be able to order from Amazon.com!
Where do I sign up for the free variants?
Which version for ryzen 7 7800x3d
Both the standard version with offset and the LBC version will work great for you: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921
@@NoctuaVideosthanks
Nice hoodie
i have never own a noctua fan before but ill get one once AM6 is out.
so no threadripper support?
NH-D15 "G1" didn't support Threadripper either, it's just too small. You're looking for the NH-U14/NH-U12/NH-D9/NH-U9/etc that already had platform-specific variations for AMD/Intel/Ampere workstations
LGA 1851 is around the corner. Which version do we buy if we plan to go with LGA 1851 in a few months, and was it designed with LGA 1851 in mind?
Sadly, at this stage, we're unable to discuss LGA1851 contact quality due to NDA. We can confirm mounting compatibility with LGA1851 though and as a rule of thumb, the medium convexity standard version has proven to be the most versatile for various platforms.
I can't wait to get one of these mounted in my editing PC🐐
is there absolutely no chance this will fit in the O11 Evo RGB on an AMD socket? It's apparently 1mm off...
No, sadly this is too tight.
What about delidded LGA 1700 ?
Delidded LGA1700 CPUs are not supported due to SMDs on the package being higher than die.
@@NoctuaVideos thanks for the clarification.
Waiting for the thermosiphon ver. 😐
love your slide. it's a having a presentation from consulting firms
How much of a difference is this actually going to make?
We present detailed temperature data in the video, you can also find it here: noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-versions-explained
I just want to preface what I’m about to say by telling you that I am a long-time Noctua fan (no pun intended), and I currently own six of your coolers. When I see something like this after years of development, I wonder what the goal is here as a company. Your competitors are matching or beating your performance at around 1/5 of the price, and your solution is to develop a needlessly technical and frankly confusing product that offers only a potential 2-3 degree improvement.
I understand that we’re at the limits of air cooling and, as a technical company with a great reputation, you aim to continually improve. I can appreciate that. But do you want to remain a niche brand for highly technical air coolers while the market totally passes you by? I had high hopes when you introduced the Chromax series because it felt like you finally understood the market, but in my opinion, this is a huge step backward and a big disappointment after a long-anticipated reveal.
@@minecraftmike5193 They found their niche in clients that value their attention to detail decision to go for different mounting systems is exactly why I would go for them and none of their competitiors ... and we are not even talking about their way over engineered fans and fantastic customer service. I get that most people will not buy this if they are stripped for cash, but I for exampleonly buy a PC every 5-6 years and I want my PC to be silent cool and as stable and long living as possible. If you choose noctua cooling you won't have your fans die on you as fast as the other cheaper brands and you get a more silent pc as well.
For LGA 1366 CPU's, I know you need a separate mounting kit to make the NH D15 G2 compatible which is something I already have, which version would be the best suited to that socket?
I don't know if the IHS flatness of those CPU's is similar to the other Intel HEDT sockets such as LGA 2011/2066 or if it is similar to LGA 115X/1200?
I would really appreciate if you guys can guide me.
Why waste a $150? Cooler on a $10 CPU?
In terms of surface flatness, LGA1366 is more similar to LGA115x/1200 than to LGA2011/2066, so we would recommend the medium base convexity standard version for this socket.
Since I have Intel Core i9-14900KS, I went with HBC version.
got a good diference bro ??? temps ? make a test video plz haha
i have 13900kf with contatc frame PL1 PL2 253. and noctua nh de15 chromax
ruclips.net/video/EqR2INIKpdg/видео.html
i am using i9-9900k and currently using NH-D12, what should i upgrade?
Standard version as you can see on the sheet at 06:46
We recommend the standard version for LGA1151: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921
@@NoctuaVideos Looking forward for my upgrade, thanks.
The 9900k
i want that new fan in 120 for my Noctua NH-U12A
I will wait for an equivalent from thermalright and scythe.. nice video tho
So with a 13700K on a NH-U12A used for 2 years now, I should take the HBC-version with the washers if I am correct?
A configurator would be awesome here to check the specific case :D
Yes, that would be our recommendation. You could try the HBC both with and without washers to see what works best for you.
@@NoctuaVideos Thanks a lot! But I have seen that the HBC version does not come with the washers so I guess the normal mount will be fine!
Any estimated time frame for a Chromax Black version?
I'm loving my Noctua NH-U12A Chromax Black, Been awesome keeping my 12700k cool for 2 years now, Might build an Arrow Lake 15700K(whatever they call it) and go for a NH-D15 G2 but I need it in black to match the rest of build.
Alright, so if I understand it properly the LBC variants are fine without washers om LGA 2011 V3 or 2066, I'm on a 10980XE that I plan to stick with for a while longer, flat CPUs and heatspreaders benefit from the LBC variant. And I assume AM4 and older Intel gens like 8 or 9 being flat also benefit from the LBC version more.
Yes, LBC is what we'd recommend for LGA2011, LGA2066 or AM4. For LGA1151 based Intel 8th or 9th gen CPUs, we'd recommend the standard version as they show more deformation than LGA2011 or LGA2066. As for the washers, they can only be used with LGA1700.
My G1 is jealously peering over here, but it's staying cool.
Any new low profile cooling ?
ASMR Vibes
What about using the NH-D15 G1 on LGA1700 with the 1mm washers from the G2? How would it perform compared to the G1 with a custom contact frame?
Very similar (slightly better with fresh CPUs, maybe slightly worse with used ones): noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg
@@NoctuaVideos Thanks for your reply. Can I ask why are the screw heads changed to Torx from the old Philips heads?
How does the new A14 fan compared with the Sanyo 9RA1412P1G001？
Noctua NH-D15 G2 LBC, Dual Tower CPU Cooler, Specialised Low Base Convexity Version for AMD AM5/AM4 (Brown) Does it come with AM4 offset brackets?
Yes, AMD offset brackets are included with all three versions.
If you make a cooler than can get close to watercooling temps, in the new ryzen 9 7950x e.t.c. with 120-170watt rating, i would pay the same amount or even more just to keep my pc air cooled. Dont know if its even possible, but just saying as a consumer, i wouldnt mind a huge price even for a slightly less performance, if i dont have to worry about leaks, and less case fans . Good job noctua nevertheless
You don't need liquid cooling for any AMD processor. All AMD processors can be effectively cooled with an air cooler. Here's a fun fact, AMD does not have one single CPU that requires liquid cooling as some only have recommendations.
@@jamesm568 true, but i ve seen benchmarks, and i have my own personal experience with the ryzen 9 5950x and temps get up to 85-88c during 35degree summers where i live, while playing poor optimized games, (like need for speed heat and many more) i cant imagine the temps on the ryzen 9 7950x with more wattage requirements. I am thinking about building a new pc using ryzen 7950x or the new 9000x ones that are about to come out, you think ill always see temps lower than 88? if yes, ill gladly use the nh-d15 or other highend air cooler, but the benchmarks ive seen 360 AIOs always performe 5-10 degrees less, and since we are talking about pushing 90 degrees seems like a smart idea. But if you have personal experience with air cooler in a 7950x + 4-5 fans on the case and seeing less than 90c (in the summer) less than 80 during winter , i ll glady stick to aircooling . Sorry for the huge text
@@MakTheSank You would see better performance for cooling with a 360 or bigger AIO or a heavier duty 360 AIO used as fresh air intake.
i want that noctua hoodie
@Noctua_at When next gen fans sale?
Round version is already available, square frame version is scheduled to follow in September.
@@NoctuaVideos last question NF-A12x25 PWM or next gen?
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waiting A14 G2 Chromax😢
but do you have a zipper hoodie? i'd buy that in a heartbeat :)
For that price an arctic freezer III 420mm AIO, and a pack of beers 🍻
dont have to worry about the pump failing or the AIO leaking tho, and might last for years
A Noctua cooler or most air coolers will last you a lifetime though, that can't be said about AIO. And with Noctua you will get free mounting brackets for future CPUs forever and free replacement parts.
People also need to realize that not everyone has the space for a 420 or even 360 AIO.
@@kwedl Well, then I'd just buy a Thermalright cooler at $40 that outperforms the current NH-D15?
@@michalsvihla1403 the point still stands tbh, air cooler will always last longer than aios.
@@tonyy.8852I feel like the point was that this is expensive
Ich bin echt auf die Leistung gespannt. Für 150€ macht das Teil allerdings wenig Sinn. Klar funktioniert der in 10 Jahren mit Sicherheit noch genau wie an Tag 1, aber für das Geld hab ich mir gerade erst eine Silent Loop 2 360mm geholt. Wenn der neue D15 besser als die sein sollte, wäre ich schon sehr überrascht
Thema ist auch, dass die AIO früher oder später Probleme machen wird, sei es die Pumpe, irgendein Leck oder auch dass etwas korrodiert etc.
All this doesn't matter until you release the Chromax editions of them.
❤ all
And can this beat a $35 Thermalright?
We will see
Yes, by 0.5°C at 4x the price.
@@michalsvihla1403 I am highly curious if the fan sync/offset function makes it way more quiet in comparison. Even if it only matches the (current) way cheaper thermalright coolers.
@@marcelmathes You could sync/offset your own fans if you just plug them into different headers.
@@michalsvihla1403 yeah, true
The LBC/HBC seems like extra gimmicky complication. Hurts resale value by only being optimal for 1 CPU vendor. And we don't know what convexities will be used by CPUs in the long term. So I can only countenance the Standard ver.
NH-D15 G2 LBC then for AMD users.
or Standard AM5 with offset
@@peterers3 Did you look the table shown
The pricing is insane. 150 USD, over 3x the price of a Thermalright cooler that will get within, what, 5-10% of the performance?
That's the price of the research for the last bits. Noctua fans tho will likely never fail compared to others.
@TheRealBix Noctua hasn't really kept up with modern pricing. Air coolers needn't be as expensive as they used to be.
This would be like buying a Ferrari with the performance of a Golf, the Golf is a fine car at the correct price but if they cost as much as a Ferrari then what would be the point?
Ty Intel
bro acts like he's introducing the next iphone
Should we expect the black version in a year or so? :D
The peerless assassin with a contact frame keeps my 12700k very cool. Full load stress test won't break 70c with an aggressive fan curve. During heavy gaming it's 55-65c. Why would I pay 4x more for something much larger with only a marginal improvement?
I'll just get the default one. And forget all the stuff
Sure, that's entirely fine, can't go wrong with the regular version! :)
What the hell is that price, you can keep your way too late update
sorry, aber eure preise sind vollkommen wahnsinnig
Over clockers in their way to spend $800 to get 0.5 cooler performance and the same frame rate
Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO has the exact same performance for 1/3rd the price. Nice try though.
The thing I love about this company is their products don't make me feel like minimum wage.
I'm against any and all defamation of the CPUs.
All this fuss over bent CPUs and Noctua still isn't selling their own contact frames.
We see better results with washers, that's why: noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg
@@NoctuaVideos Is that with a frame you guys made or from your competitors?
7:20 this is an excellent figure
Wow, very interesting, so now we have Noctua and Gamers Nexus doing their own independent testing and basically coming to the same conclusion that Intel's ILM design is flawed. Intel must be pretty embarrassed about all this with a company as established as Noctua making whole new product lines to compensate for Intel's poor design. Intel must be pretty embarrassed by this, I know I would be if that was my product. A company as large as Intel should be testing all this stuff in house before finalising their products, there is a lot at stake, you'd think they would be more cautious and careful. My previous Intel CPU needed delidding to get its temps into acceptable range under load, and now I discovered my new Intel has this ILM pressure issue - lucky I managed to find this on youtube or else I would have been cluelessly warping my IHS and getting worse temps over the years. So glad I picked up a contact frame with my purchase so I can avoid all this nonsense.
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 Under 35$ and have performance like Noctua D15 CHROMAX Cost more 100$+ "x3" Expensive !!!!! where is the logic !?
But 150€ is outrageous price
the version with BETTER COLORS 😂😂😂
I didnt understand anything you said im sorry
None of them because of the color.
what is chromax black then, i just got one, calm down bro
All nice, but the price is ridiculous. You will limit your market to brand fanboys only. No sensible person will buy a 4x more expensive cooler like the models from Thermalright, when your G2 will be only marginally more efficient.
When I think of Thermalright the first thing that comes to mind is minimum wage.
@@jamesm568spending more money = more happiness 👍
@@Atilolzz I don't think of quality when it comes to Thermalright as a lot of their products are a hit and miss as Noctua doesn't have a reputation for that. I use Thermalright products myself when I'm building low-end computers for people.
@@jamesm568What's wrong with having something that's budget oriented and works? There's a time and place for everything and if you're trying to maximize your performance to dollar ratio, a 40 dollar cooler than does the job a 120 one is a no brainer. It's not low income, it's just smart. Noctua products have their purpose being tanks to be used time and time again into the future, but for the average consumer a 40 dollar peerless assassin is perfect.
@@bottomtext5872 There's nothing wrong using a product of your choice, but I don't usually pick a product because it is cheaper as I pick a product based on its reputation of the company it comes from. Thermalright is an old school company, but Noctua has a solid reputation of quality products and outstanding support. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there in the PC world, but people still go for them more expensive ones regardless.
is a black version expected to release anytime soon or...?
It's scheduled for the first half of next year.
@@NoctuaVideos ok thx
@@NoctuaVideos I know that, like it or not, this is noctua brand classic color scheme and overtime it became a matter of prestige ofc, still have you ever considered to release another version of the same fan? like: classic color scheme, full black, black frame with brown fan. I'm quite sure it would rock, especially with new chassis from fractal even tho more and more brands are thinking about using wood in their chassis, which typically come in black or white
Thank you for your suggestion, let's see what the future will bring! ;)
Don't even use the ilm.
Dang, that dude voice is so sexy ❤
I choose deepcool.
Noctua responding poorly and late to getting absolutely destroyed by thermalright, arctic, and deepcool.
Under no circumstances should the either of the surfaces be convex. This is basic engineering practice. The reason is that if the CPU surface is concave, then a convex heatsink will put all the pressure in the centre of the CPU, making the CPU even more concave. If the two surfaces are concave, then the highest pressure is at the edges, which will flatten the CPU. How did you mange to get this so wrong?
It's ILM pressure that's causing Intel LGA1700 CPUs to become concave and there is absolutely no way that they could be flattened by putting on a concave cooler. More importantly, contact quality and cooling performance would be downright horrible with contact only occurring at the north and south side edges of the IHS. Having good centre contact is vital for achieving good contact quality and performance on LGA1700 and this only possible with a convex contact surface.
@@NoctuaVideos The ILM concentrates the pressure at the middle of the CPU. It bends because the socket is pushing up on the edges. Applying pressure to the edges in the opposite direction will reduce the shear and therefore reduce the deflection. If the heat sink were truly so flexible that it could not straighten the CPU, then nothing would be lost with concavity because the concave heatsink would conform to the CPU and produce contact across the entire face.
Saying that contact around the edges would cause horrible performance is surprising hyperbole from a company that markets premium thermal pastes. It must be of no value at all if twenty-five microns of thermal paste completely destroys the performance
Not worth the money
The pricing is insane. 150 USD Not worth the money
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@Noctua_at
Hi, i use one 13900kf with Contact Frame and PL1 PL2 253W
Noctua NH D15 Chromax.
Paste termic ARTIC MX6
ruclips.net/video/EqR2INIKpdg/видео.html
Benchmark on cinebench R23.
how much temps i got negative with my tests ???
In a configuration like this, you should typically see 2-3°C better temps with the standard G2 and 3-4°C with the HBC version.
Keren Noctua
Нужно было сделать одну версию с идеально ровным основанием, отполированным до зеркального блеска и ценой как у Noctua NH-D15! Ждём чёрную версию, сравниваем её производительность с Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E и принимаем решение о покупки.