james williams cheers James :-) Yeah I'm stoked on lost just ordered an RNF retro and loving my bean bag and quiver killer. We have an NZ lost shaper that can do customs too so that's really cool. He's great to deal with too. Cheers for your support 👍🏻
I like your reviews. Down to earth and honest. What did you think of the lib tech performance? Does the wrap feel better? I’d like to get a board that lasts a long time and where they use the off cuts. I’m 5.9, a bit under 11 stone, average surfer, need a fast board for a point break. I’m trying decide between the PF 5.6 St 30ltrs or 5.8 at 34. New groveller but can go up to head high. What say you?
Hi thanks heaps for the positive feedback :-) Yeah I think the lib tech is hard to beat on durability. Would really like a quiver killer in lib tech for travelling but there hard to find here in nz. I actually thought the old ones felt pretty good and apparently they have really improved the flex since so that's great. They might still not be quite up there with carbon wrap and helium on liveliness?? Not sure but I reckon any difference would be more than made up for in durability and sustainability.Sounds like you know your volume. I would probably steer you towards that 34 or more end myself but I ride a lot of volume and it's pretty personal preference so most surfers have a pretty good idea of what the want.Have you considered the bean bag too and maybe the puddle jumper? The bean bag is a favorite of mine fro waves under head high.. Have ridden it in over too on a slow long wally wave. Puddle fish would also be good. I actually found my Puddle fish a little hard to get into waves in the end but it probbaly pushed water at the size i ride being so oversized so likely be great at your size. The jumper series actually have a wee bit of rocker in them for really small waves for me personally and the waves we ride as they are so flat faces Bean bag is much flatter. Hard to say how different they would go with the step in the tail that lib put in too.. I had both puddle jumpers and prefer the no step but again that's because I ride them so big :-) Hard to place your feet well for someone super average like me. Funnelator also looks fun. Iff your set on hte Puddle fish go the 34Litres I reckon but as I say you will know your volume much better than me. Sorry for the long waffle hope that Helps. I would get you a 5'6" or even 5'8" Bean bag if it were me :-P lol Cheers
Hi mate, thanks for your review. It is still relevant after a couple of years! Could you please give me an advice based on your experience? I’m also based in Christchurch and I’m looking for a new board to progress. I’m a heavier guy (180, 93 kg) thinking about getting a puddle jumper 6’2 (46L) or a layz toy 2 6’4 or 6’6. I’m learning to do some turns and how to generate my own speed. Which one would you recommend? Thanks a lot!
Hey buddy. Thanks for the feedback Appreciate your support. Either would be great choices. I would have to do some double checking but I believe the lazy toy which is probably the lazy toy 2 now might have the edge for you. Would allow you to spread the volume out into a longer mote stable package that could possibly cover a wider wave range. The puddle jumper might get a little slippery in overhead waves with a bit more shape. Fine for Sumner up to about 4ft though. Would be worth having a chat with Tommy Dalton as if your going for new he’s gonna be making it for you. I believe the lazy toys are extremely forgiving and you can get away with standing up a little out of position etc so they are good for people to get into that intermediate level. I think your definitely on that right track for design and got size and volume too for your weight so stick to what you want. Tommy always makes fun of me for riding lots of Volume but he’s about the size of a teenage girl abs rides good quality waves in gizzy 🤣
@@lawson45uk awesome, thanks for replying me mate. Nice to see that I’m going right about volume and dims. Yeah I’m gonna order a new one from Tommy. I’m leaning towards the lazy toy 2, I think this board is safer for progression and that elongated sweet spot is pretty welcome. Probably on coreflex construction. Thank you for the tip! The PJ is also pretty cool, so hard to choose. Hahah the teenager girl cracked me up 😂 Yeah there’s no way of getting a knife shape for now. Thanks a lot dude, appreciated. Keep going with the amazing content. Cheers
good that u comapsed the two did i miss your weight hieght? and maybe trhow in a vid of u surfing it or stats from a wave height/sec conditions you rode this in and where? I'm 6'2 215lbs is (95-98kg) so glad to see a bigger board review
Hey Luke. Thanks for your comments and making contact. Glad you found the review useful. I'm 5'7" 84 kgs and not very fit or a great surfer (hence the lack of surf footage :-) I'm in Christchurch in New Zealand on the east coast at a wave that's very slow and flat faced so it's generally a hard wave to get shortboards going in. I have ridden both boards in waist hight slop to overhead and clean and they both hold their own in both. Again it's a slow flat faced wave so not hollow at all or you might find these boards a challenge to control. Important thing I should have said is that the Puddle Jumper is actually a longer slim dims model so it's 6'2" and 43 Litres where it might usually be 5'11" - 6' at the same volume so its slightly thinned and stretched. I have a friend here that has the same puddle jumper too an he loves it so definitely a good option for bigger guys in smaller waves. The slim dims almost make it more like a short round step down than a pure puddle jumper. Cheers Luke
Great comparison really enjoy your reviews. Can you compare the Seaside v Psycho Nitro. I understand they are a little different but looking at buying one or the other for summer. I’m 95 kg and ride a Monsta box 2020 at 43lt. Looking for a fun summer board - I do man turns!!
Cheers buddy.. Ha ha “I do man turns”.. Love it.. Put that on a T shirt for sure 😉 Yeah, different boards both really good to be fair…. I don’t use my Psycho as much as I should but it’s a fast, performer of a one shortboard quiver for like chest to a bit overhead. Would probably suit anything down from what the Monsta Box struggles with all the way down to what you need a longboard for and so would the seaside to be fair… Psycho is Probably a bit more precise feel and less adjustment from something like a Monsta Box too it’s kinda the good elements of both a fish and a shortboard where as the Seaside will still perform nicely but definitely in a more carvy fishy way but will also but a lot shorter and fatter than the Psycho per volume. You will need to load the Seaside up with something like a Split Keel to get it to grip and drive too where as the Psycho is sweet with your regular fins.. Guessing your like an AM large template or bigger? In short the Pshycho is a hybrid shortboard with fish elements where the Seaside is more like a Fish with hybrid shortboard elements… Be careful with volume selection too, my psycho has 43.8 or something and still feels good though a bit slippers sometimes but wouldn’t to you at 95 where as the Seaside you might only want 41 and the 45 Litre could possibly feel corky.. Hope that helps. Just come back if you have any other questions I can help with.
Oh Yeah mate, very similar, had the tex and was really impressed.. It's quite a little performer actually.. I got mine cheap on special then ended up narrowing down the quiver and the tex was very similar and I got a 44 Litre one so it was just a touch on the chunky size... Size it right for you and I would say it's right up there with the Puddle Jumper for sure. Cheers
@@lawson45uk thanks for the info. Its been really good for helping me out with choice. I'm surfing a pu modern highline at moment. And love it but just want a touch more performance and want a PJ but it's a bit out of my price zone but tex might fit the bill
Chris Findlay yeah I really like the look of the XRS and very similar in principle though I think the XRS is longer per volume than a standard puddle jumper which I personally don't mind. It's actually very similar to a longer slim dims puddle jumper as per my 6'2" in this video. That would be around 5'11" on a standard dims puddle jumper for the same volume. Also think the XRS pulls in just a touch more in the tail too which could be really good depending on what your looking for. A friend of mine has a 6'2" and hes stoked on it and DHD is a great shaper so definitely a good board to consider. Cheers.
Yeah little different, I Found the Puddle Fish seemed to really push water up front and I struggled to get into slow waves. Hydra a good paddler, Takes a little getting used to that tail shape but good speed and drive. Could look at an RNF retro too if you want something in between I love mine much more than the puddle fish.
Will Gander Hi will. Thanks for your support. Major dramas duck diving them but we don't get particularly powerful waves so hard to say. I have had both out in waves that are overhead and not had any problems. They're usually fairly short boards for their volume so not too big a deal. Plus your probably going to have as much trouble with the board being a bit too fat and flat for serious waves as they're not really designed for that. There would certainly be people that are used to lower volumes would find them a struggle in the volumes I ride even at a higher weight though so depends on what your used to but basically at your conformable volume in the right size waves no problems at all. In large surf yeah a bit tough to get deep but your probably also going to slide out on your bottom turn too from the wide mid and tail hope that helps.
Cheers mate. Yeah RNF retro much better for a smaller wave and doesn’t mind being a little longer or more volume than ideal. Bean bag still has the edge in the really crapy small weak mushy waves but RNF is a close second.
@@user-uu1ql5bf4v yeah absolutely. Both RNF Retro and Bean Bag great paddlers. Retro carries excellent speed through the turns too and had really good thickness in the deck nose and tail. Retro kinda flew under the radar I reckon. I rate it up there with the seaside as one of the best small to medium wave modern retro inspired fish style boards. Cheers
Hey luke, I'm looking to either get myself a puddle fish or the round nose fish, i cant decide which will suit me better. I think the puddle fish might be a bit too wide in the chest for me. I surf in Scotland and the waves aren't the best sounds like the same sort of waves you get I'm 6'0 and 75kgs. Which would you recommend. Cheers Dec,
Hey buddy. If your talking between the Puddle Fish and the RNF retro have a look at the reviews the Retro is a better wave catcher and easier to ride the puddle fish is a fairly performance fish.. I would probably go for a seaside over the puddle fish myself. All are great boards though.. The RNF (straight Round Nose Fish) Sounds like it's not an amazing paddler and needs to be ridden close to your hybrid or decent wave board volume so if you want a more cruisy easy to paddle wave catcher your probably better with the fish options too. If you can let me know what sort of size of waves it needs to work in and what volume your used to I can probably give you a bit more info.. The noses on most of those fish are fairly big though so if your not looking for that.. I actually feel like the RNF retro doesn't feel as chunkey in the nose as the puddle fish for some reason.. My parents and sister all live in scotland on the boarders.. It's a nice place :-) If your looking at smaller waves with not a lot of push and only riding upto say just a bit over head high and want a fast carver board I feel like you might like the RNF Retro
@@lawson45uk I think I'm gonna go with one of the libtech construction ones(I'm a bit clumsy and my local break is pretty ding prone...) I'm thinking of either getting the puddle fish at 6'0 or the RNF at 6'2 both are about 42ish ltrs. Is there much difference between the RNF retro and the Lib tech RNF?? The waves we get change massively throughout the year from ankle biters to double over head being the largest I've personally seen it. I'm looking for something that will work from thigh to a bit over head at a stretch. Cheers Dec,
@@declantaylor7994 Sweet Yeah the lib tech construction is the toughest best made board you can buy that still feels right to surf so your on a winner there..Only thing i'm not super keen on is the fin boxes but they take an FCS2 fin now.. It's just a slot with screws though so not a super firm connection.. So have a look at my review on the Puddle fish and also look at the one for real surf. Trip the American guy was stressing about the board not upsizing so well but I have always really liked the look of it and it's would have great range and 42 litres isn't that big.. It's not at the top of my volume though your lighter than me i'm 80-85 so might be more of an issue for you. I was suprised at the size of wave you could ride the puddle fish in but it was sometimes a difficult getting it into the wave and over the lip for some reason.. Like harder than my Puddle Jumper HP no idea why.. Rides great though but yeah it it a bit big up front if your concerned about that.. Maybe take a chance on the RNF?? Pretty hard to guide you not having ridden the RNF but it's certainly a board that I had on my radar when I was looking at the lib tech on paper it would do most waves waist to overhead and good length good volume it's a lost shape.... Sorry I can't be more helpful but have a look at these reviews see if it helps ruclips.net/video/wHjWAjo2GnQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/yxvQ2EvPOYg/видео.html ruclips.net/video/PRMjtcVpzng/видео.html ruclips.net/video/zZxaBN4Vjpk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/1WHjGLyURs4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/t1QbKSu8oWI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/XwkaRf4sN9E/видео.html ruclips.net/video/T6-2o0QrGwU/видео.html
@@declantaylor7994 Oh and the RNF retro is nothing like the RNF.. The Retro is more fishy and retro than the puddle fish.. Lots of speed, long drawn out turns but still has the ability to jam a hard turn .. you would be looking at about a 6'0" in that too. I have the 6'2" and it's a total paddle machine. Yeah ok for waves you almost need something like the RNF Retro or Puddle fish and a Quiver Killer ideally depending on how powerful the waves are.. The stright RNF would handle a lot of that range though and again on paper it's a fantasitc board just have heard a few times people saying ripping board if you have a good paddle game but it's not known for being a good paddler .. I think the thing with the stright RNF is it's people look at it and think it's fishy but it's really a hybrid so probably sits in between the puddle jumper and the quiver killer which might be perfect.. I guess your like me the Short round they done do in a big enough size and it's not that wide as that's a nice board too.. Guess if your going lib tech at that size it's basically puddle fish, RNF or quiver killer..
Dude I think your problem is solved.. Lib Tech are coming out with a Puddle Jumper HP .. Job done.. It's like a short round but more sensibly sized and volumed.. If they have a 6'2" is should be 41 Litres.. I have one in C4 and it's a great shape and ride
Great review but I feel like with all your massive boards you review if you want to ride boards this oversized then honestly it doesn't matter much what shape you have. Better off just getting a pin tail egg around 7 x 21 x 2 3/4 from your local shaper then either improve your surfing or stay off the pies until you can ride a fish or grovelor at a size they are designed for. The problem is once you go too long and wide to get the volume and stability you need the rocker is in the wrong place for your front foot and they get too wide to turn.
onshore1ft Hi. Thanks or your comments. Yeah some valid points in there and I do have a 7 Foot egg shaped mid length single fin. It does go well but there are a lot of other things to consider as well. I’m short so anything over 6’4” I can no longer kick when I’m paddling and duckdiving becomes awkward.. Most of the boards I’m riding are stock or up a touch in thickness and length so yeah for sure the rocker isn’t necessarily placed perfectly, I would definitely agree with that on a lot of Tommo and Hypto style boards there are boards that are designed o be ridden at a set length. People are getting a lot more sensible with board shape now though.. My volume is actually pretty close on what JS, Lost and Firewire recommend on their calculators (though that’s always a pinch of salt guide.. Also We have very slow flat faced waves locally. If I was going to the more powerful breaks 42 Litres could become 36 pretty easily but saying that I’m not getting younger so do need volume and stability. To be honest on those bigger boards I would almost say that the rocker position can be even more out of place.. a lot of them the rocket doesn't even start till it's under my chest I’m short and fat so makes sense that boards match me a little 😊 ?? I have ridden a lot of boards and i’m happy with what I ride for me as I’m sure you are for you... Cheers.
@@lawson45uk good response. You should be on a fish or grovelor around your height max, if that's not working for you because of ability or fitness there's no shame in going for a different style of board which suits your ability but can still be turned. The problem is tail width in bigger fish or grovelor will make turns that much harder so going longer in the wrong style of board is counter productive. Maybe do a video on that i.e. Compare your oversized grovelor to an egg shape. I gather you are in NZ. I've surfed there and in winter you can find waves big enough to challenge any surfer. Drive to some better spots if you can, nowhere is that far in NZ. Keep it up.
snappy in the pocket with a 6.2 at 43 liters??? that is just a funboard...good review but anything over 40 liters is just a funboard..is up to the surfer to over pay for just the mayhem brand name...for pocket surfing a 5.10 with 33 liters is on the big side..
Thanks for your input but unfortunately these are the kind of boards we have to ride at our local break being older heavier and in cold water full winter suits etc . Snappy in the pocket is for me comparative to other boards. I'm not of a level where i'm even talking about the kind of pocket surfing that you probably are so it's all comparative and relative. I have ridden all kinds of boards from known brands to little heard of brands and local shapers and find Lost domesticated boards great for us normal every day average surfers so i'm happy to ride the Lost brand as it works for me. If you are good enough to ride 33 litres and under good on you. You are obviously a decent surfer. You would probably find Surf N Shows reviews more relative to you as Noel is also a lighter and very good surfer. My reviews are just my opinion on the boards that I ride at my size if it's not relevant to you at your size and ability that's all good. Everyone is different. Thanks. P.S. The statement that everything over 40 Litres is a funboard is a little amusing.. For me yeah they are recreational boards and I want to have fun so i'm cool with that :-) I'm sure the big wave guys and longboarding world champs would find that a little offensive though.
Andrew Abbott 👍 yeah we're all different sizes shapes and abilities in different waves. There are a whole load of boards over 40 litres that wouldn't be classified as "funboards" and lots of people that rip on them and others that don't care as long as their having a good time. All good though. People are entitled to their opinion as long as everyone is playing nicely and not being mean 😛👍 cheers Andrew
I’m 16 stone and my 5,10 puddle jumper is probably the best small wave board I have owned. Lost do great boards for bigger or older guys that can still surf. Biolos has the foil and foam distributions dialled. Lots of people ride boards that are too small for them as they aspire to be like the pros. Volume is your friend, especially in winter.
Andrew Abbott great replies Andrew. Couldn't agree more. Most of my boards are over 40 too. Like you say there are situations where that's what you need to get waves and get the job done. I find the same with lost boards because lots of models are made my a regular surfer for regular surfers they understand volume and where to put it. Lots of lost boards paddle very well for the volume as the application of forward volume sensible rocker and clever concaves gets the job done and still gives us performance. 👍
nice review man !! Matt b sure knows how to make a great boards that go well for us mear mortals!
james williams cheers James :-) Yeah I'm stoked on lost just ordered an RNF retro and loving my bean bag and quiver killer. We have an NZ lost shaper that can do customs too so that's really cool. He's great to deal with too. Cheers for your support 👍🏻
Good info, thanks for the video.
I like your reviews. Down to earth and honest. What did you think of the lib tech performance? Does the wrap feel better? I’d like to get a board that lasts a long time and where they use the off cuts. I’m 5.9, a bit under 11 stone, average surfer, need a fast board for a point break. I’m trying decide between the PF 5.6 St 30ltrs or 5.8 at 34. New groveller but can go up to head high. What say you?
Average surfer, compared to others round here any way.
Also, I did hear of issues with lib tech earlier on but perhaps resolved now??
Hi thanks heaps for the positive feedback :-) Yeah I think the lib tech is hard to beat on durability. Would really like a quiver killer in lib tech for travelling but there hard to find here in nz. I actually thought the old ones felt pretty good and apparently they have really improved the flex since so that's great. They might still not be quite up there with carbon wrap and helium on liveliness?? Not sure but I reckon any difference would be more than made up for in durability and sustainability.Sounds like you know your volume. I would probably steer you towards that 34 or more end myself but I ride a lot of volume and it's pretty personal preference so most surfers have a pretty good idea of what the want.Have you considered the bean bag too and maybe the puddle jumper? The bean bag is a favorite of mine fro waves under head high.. Have ridden it in over too on a slow long wally wave. Puddle fish would also be good. I actually found my Puddle fish a little hard to get into waves in the end but it probbaly pushed water at the size i ride being so oversized so likely be great at your size. The jumper series actually have a wee bit of rocker in them for really small waves for me personally and the waves we ride as they are so flat faces Bean bag is much flatter. Hard to say how different they would go with the step in the tail that lib put in too.. I had both puddle jumpers and prefer the no step but again that's because I ride them so big :-) Hard to place your feet well for someone super average like me. Funnelator also looks fun. Iff your set on hte Puddle fish go the 34Litres I reckon but as I say you will know your volume much better than me. Sorry for the long waffle hope that Helps. I would get you a 5'6" or even 5'8" Bean bag if it were me :-P lol Cheers
Hi mate, thanks for your review. It is still relevant after a couple of years! Could you please give me an advice based on your experience?
I’m also based in Christchurch and I’m looking for a new board to progress.
I’m a heavier guy (180, 93 kg) thinking about getting a puddle jumper 6’2 (46L) or a layz toy 2 6’4 or 6’6.
I’m learning to do some turns and how to generate my own speed.
Which one would you recommend?
Thanks a lot!
Hey buddy. Thanks for the feedback Appreciate your support. Either would be great choices. I would have to do some double checking but I believe the lazy toy which is probably the lazy toy 2 now might have the edge for you. Would allow you to spread the volume out into a longer mote stable package that could possibly cover a wider wave range. The puddle jumper might get a little slippery in overhead waves with a bit more shape. Fine for Sumner up to about 4ft though. Would be worth having a chat with Tommy Dalton as if your going for new he’s gonna be making it for you. I believe the lazy toys are extremely forgiving and you can get away with standing up a little out of position etc so they are good for people to get into that intermediate level. I think your definitely on that right track for design and got size and volume too for your weight so stick to what you want. Tommy always makes fun of me for riding lots of Volume but he’s about the size of a teenage girl abs rides good quality waves in gizzy 🤣
@@lawson45uk awesome, thanks for replying me mate.
Nice to see that I’m going right about volume and dims.
Yeah I’m gonna order a new one from Tommy. I’m leaning towards the lazy toy 2, I think this board is safer for progression and that elongated sweet spot is pretty welcome. Probably on coreflex construction. Thank you for the tip!
The PJ is also pretty cool, so hard to choose.
Hahah the teenager girl cracked me up 😂 Yeah there’s no way of getting a knife shape for now.
Thanks a lot dude, appreciated.
Keep going with the amazing content. Cheers
good that u comapsed the two did i miss your weight hieght? and maybe trhow in a vid of u surfing it or stats from a wave height/sec conditions you rode this in and where? I'm 6'2 215lbs is (95-98kg) so glad to see a bigger board review
Hey Luke. Thanks for your comments and making contact. Glad you found the review useful. I'm 5'7" 84 kgs and not very fit or a great surfer (hence the lack of surf footage :-) I'm in Christchurch in New Zealand on the east coast at a wave that's very slow and flat faced so it's generally a hard wave to get shortboards going in. I have ridden both boards in waist hight slop to overhead and clean and they both hold their own in both. Again it's a slow flat faced wave so not hollow at all or you might find these boards a challenge to control. Important thing I should have said is that the Puddle Jumper is actually a longer slim dims model so it's 6'2" and 43 Litres where it might usually be 5'11" - 6' at the same volume so its slightly thinned and stretched. I have a friend here that has the same puddle jumper too an he loves it so definitely a good option for bigger guys in smaller waves. The slim dims almost make it more like a short round step down than a pure puddle jumper. Cheers Luke
Hi, how does the the puddle jumper compare to the lost Hydra?
Great comparison really enjoy your reviews. Can you compare the Seaside v Psycho Nitro. I understand they are a little different but looking at buying one or the other for summer. I’m 95 kg and ride a Monsta box 2020 at 43lt. Looking for a fun summer board - I do man turns!!
Cheers buddy.. Ha ha “I do man turns”.. Love it.. Put that on a T shirt for sure 😉 Yeah, different boards both really good to be fair…. I don’t use my Psycho as much as I should but it’s a fast, performer of a one shortboard quiver for like chest to a bit overhead. Would probably suit anything down from what the Monsta Box struggles with all the way down to what you need a longboard for and so would the seaside to be fair… Psycho is Probably a bit more precise feel and less adjustment from something like a Monsta Box too it’s kinda the good elements of both a fish and a shortboard where as the Seaside will still perform nicely but definitely in a more carvy fishy way but will also but a lot shorter and fatter than the Psycho per volume. You will need to load the Seaside up with something like a Split Keel to get it to grip and drive too where as the Psycho is sweet with your regular fins.. Guessing your like an AM large template or bigger? In short the Pshycho is a hybrid shortboard with fish elements where the Seaside is more like a Fish with hybrid shortboard elements… Be careful with volume selection too, my psycho has 43.8 or something and still feels good though a bit slippers sometimes but wouldn’t to you at 95 where as the Seaside you might only want 41 and the 45 Litre could possibly feel corky.. Hope that helps. Just come back if you have any other questions I can help with.
@@lawson45uk thanks great answer.
Hi mate. Great vids. What was the lsd tex like? Similar to the puddle jumper? Thinking of going for one?
Oh Yeah mate, very similar, had the tex and was really impressed.. It's quite a little performer actually.. I got mine cheap on special then ended up narrowing down the quiver and the tex was very similar and I got a 44 Litre one so it was just a touch on the chunky size... Size it right for you and I would say it's right up there with the Puddle Jumper for sure. Cheers
@@lawson45uk thanks for the info. Its been really good for helping me out with choice. I'm surfing a pu modern highline at moment. And love it but just want a touch more performance and want a PJ but it's a bit out of my price zone but tex might fit the bill
Have you ever had a good look at the DHD XRS and if so how would you compare it to the LOST Puddle Jumper?
Chris Findlay yeah I really like the look of the XRS and very similar in principle though I think the XRS is longer per volume than a standard puddle jumper which I personally don't mind. It's actually very similar to a longer slim dims puddle jumper as per my 6'2" in this video. That would be around 5'11" on a standard dims puddle jumper for the same volume. Also think the XRS pulls in just a touch more in the tail too which could be really good depending on what your looking for. A friend of mine has a 6'2" and hes stoked on it and DHD is a great shaper so definitely a good board to consider. Cheers.
How does the puddlefish compare to the hydra?
Yeah little different, I Found the Puddle Fish seemed to really push water up front and I struggled to get into slow waves. Hydra a good paddler, Takes a little getting used to that tail shape but good speed and drive. Could look at an RNF retro too if you want something in between I love mine much more than the puddle fish.
Hello, thanks for the reviews. How do you find the boards duckdive in larger surf?
Will Gander Hi will. Thanks for your support. Major dramas duck diving them but we don't get particularly powerful waves so hard to say. I have had both out in waves that are overhead and not had any problems. They're usually fairly short boards for their volume so not too big a deal. Plus your probably going to have as much trouble with the board being a bit too fat and flat for serious waves as they're not really designed for that. There would certainly be people that are used to lower volumes would find them a struggle in the volumes I ride even at a higher weight though so depends on what your used to but basically at your conformable volume in the right size waves no problems at all. In large surf yeah a bit tough to get deep but your probably also going to slide out on your bottom turn too from the wide mid and tail hope that helps.
is rnf retrò better for you? better puddler?1foot wave 95kg...thank you, great video
Cheers mate. Yeah RNF retro much better for a smaller wave and doesn’t mind being a little longer or more volume than ideal. Bean bag still has the edge in the really crapy small weak mushy waves but RNF is a close second.
ok thank you very much, is rnf retro also a good puddler?
@@user-uu1ql5bf4v yeah absolutely. Both RNF Retro and Bean Bag great paddlers. Retro carries excellent speed through the turns too and had really good thickness in the deck nose and tail. Retro kinda flew under the radar I reckon. I rate it up there with the seaside as one of the best small to medium wave modern retro inspired fish style boards. Cheers
@@lawson45uk thanks mate, cheers
Hey luke, I'm looking to either get myself a puddle fish or the round nose fish, i cant decide which will suit me better. I think the puddle fish might be a bit too wide in the chest for me. I surf in Scotland and the waves aren't the best sounds like the same sort of waves you get I'm 6'0 and 75kgs. Which would you recommend.
Cheers Dec,
Hey buddy. If your talking between the Puddle Fish and the RNF retro have a look at the reviews the Retro is a better wave catcher and easier to ride the puddle fish is a fairly performance fish.. I would probably go for a seaside over the puddle fish myself. All are great boards though.. The RNF (straight Round Nose Fish) Sounds like it's not an amazing paddler and needs to be ridden close to your hybrid or decent wave board volume so if you want a more cruisy easy to paddle wave catcher your probably better with the fish options too. If you can let me know what sort of size of waves it needs to work in and what volume your used to I can probably give you a bit more info.. The noses on most of those fish are fairly big though so if your not looking for that.. I actually feel like the RNF retro doesn't feel as chunkey in the nose as the puddle fish for some reason.. My parents and sister all live in scotland on the boarders.. It's a nice place :-) If your looking at smaller waves with not a lot of push and only riding upto say just a bit over head high and want a fast carver board I feel like you might like the RNF Retro
@@lawson45uk I think I'm gonna go with one of the libtech construction ones(I'm a bit clumsy and my local break is pretty ding prone...) I'm thinking of either getting the puddle fish at 6'0 or the RNF at 6'2 both are about 42ish ltrs. Is there much difference between the RNF retro and the Lib tech RNF?? The waves we get change massively throughout the year from ankle biters to double over head being the largest I've personally seen it. I'm looking for something that will work from thigh to a bit over head at a stretch.
Cheers Dec,
@@declantaylor7994 Sweet Yeah the lib tech construction is the toughest best made board you can buy that still feels right to surf so your on a winner there..Only thing i'm not super keen on is the fin boxes but they take an FCS2 fin now.. It's just a slot with screws though so not a super firm connection.. So have a look at my review on the Puddle fish and also look at the one for real surf. Trip the American guy was stressing about the board not upsizing so well but I have always really liked the look of it and it's would have great range and 42 litres isn't that big.. It's not at the top of my volume though your lighter than me i'm 80-85 so might be more of an issue for you. I was suprised at the size of wave you could ride the puddle fish in but it was sometimes a difficult getting it into the wave and over the lip for some reason.. Like harder than my Puddle Jumper HP no idea why.. Rides great though but yeah it it a bit big up front if your concerned about that.. Maybe take a chance on the RNF?? Pretty hard to guide you not having ridden the RNF but it's certainly a board that I had on my radar when I was looking at the lib tech on paper it would do most waves waist to overhead and good length good volume it's a lost shape.... Sorry I can't be more helpful but have a look at these reviews see if it helps
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@@declantaylor7994 Oh and the RNF retro is nothing like the RNF.. The Retro is more fishy and retro than the puddle fish.. Lots of speed, long drawn out turns but still has the ability to jam a hard turn .. you would be looking at about a 6'0" in that too. I have the 6'2" and it's a total paddle machine. Yeah ok for waves you almost need something like the RNF Retro or Puddle fish and a Quiver Killer ideally depending on how powerful the waves are.. The stright RNF would handle a lot of that range though and again on paper it's a fantasitc board just have heard a few times people saying ripping board if you have a good paddle game but it's not known for being a good paddler .. I think the thing with the stright RNF is it's people look at it and think it's fishy but it's really a hybrid so probably sits in between the puddle jumper and the quiver killer which might be perfect.. I guess your like me the Short round they done do in a big enough size and it's not that wide as that's a nice board too.. Guess if your going lib tech at that size it's basically puddle fish, RNF or quiver killer..
Dude I think your problem is solved.. Lib Tech are coming out with a Puddle Jumper HP .. Job done.. It's like a short round but more sensibly sized and volumed.. If they have a 6'2" is should be 41 Litres.. I have one in C4 and it's a great shape and ride
Great review but I feel like with all your massive boards you review if you want to ride boards this oversized then honestly it doesn't matter much what shape you have. Better off just getting a pin tail egg around 7 x 21 x 2 3/4 from your local shaper then either improve your surfing or stay off the pies until you can ride a fish or grovelor at a size they are designed for. The problem is once you go too long and wide to get the volume and stability you need the rocker is in the wrong place for your front foot and they get too wide to turn.
onshore1ft Hi. Thanks or your comments. Yeah some valid points in there and I do have a 7 Foot egg shaped mid length single fin. It does go well but there are a lot of other things to consider as well. I’m short so anything over 6’4” I can no longer kick when I’m paddling and duckdiving becomes awkward.. Most of the boards I’m riding are stock or up a touch in thickness and length so yeah for sure the rocker isn’t necessarily placed perfectly, I would definitely agree with that on a lot of Tommo and Hypto style boards there are boards that are designed o be ridden at a set length. People are getting a lot more sensible with board shape now though.. My volume is actually pretty close on what JS, Lost and Firewire recommend on their calculators (though that’s always a pinch of salt guide.. Also We have very slow flat faced waves locally. If I was going to the more powerful breaks 42 Litres could become 36 pretty easily but saying that I’m not getting younger so do need volume and stability. To be honest on those bigger boards I would almost say that the rocker position can be even more out of place.. a lot of them the rocket doesn't even start till it's under my chest I’m short and fat so makes sense that boards match me a little 😊 ?? I have ridden a lot of boards and i’m happy with what I ride for me as I’m sure you are for you... Cheers.
@@lawson45uk good response. You should be on a fish or grovelor around your height max, if that's not working for you because of ability or fitness there's no shame in going for a different style of board which suits your ability but can still be turned. The problem is tail width in bigger fish or grovelor will make turns that much harder so going longer in the wrong style of board is counter productive. Maybe do a video on that i.e. Compare your oversized grovelor to an egg shape.
I gather you are in NZ. I've surfed there and in winter you can find waves big enough to challenge any surfer. Drive to some better spots if you can, nowhere is that far in NZ.
Keep it up.
snappy in the pocket with a 6.2 at 43 liters??? that is just a funboard...good review but anything over 40 liters is just a funboard..is up to the surfer to over pay for just the mayhem brand name...for pocket surfing a 5.10 with 33 liters is on the big side..
Thanks for your input but unfortunately these are the kind of boards we have to ride at our local break being older heavier and in cold water full winter suits etc . Snappy in the pocket is for me comparative to other boards. I'm not of a level where i'm even talking about the kind of pocket surfing that you probably are so it's all comparative and relative. I have ridden all kinds of boards from known brands to little heard of brands and local shapers and find Lost domesticated boards great for us normal every day average surfers so i'm happy to ride the Lost brand as it works for me. If you are good enough to ride 33 litres and under good on you. You are obviously a decent surfer. You would probably find Surf N Shows reviews more relative to you as Noel is also a lighter and very good surfer. My reviews are just my opinion on the boards that I ride at my size if it's not relevant to you at your size and ability that's all good. Everyone is different. Thanks.
P.S. The statement that everything over 40 Litres is a funboard is a little amusing.. For me yeah they are recreational boards and I want to have fun so i'm cool with that :-) I'm sure the big wave guys and longboarding world champs would find that a little offensive though.
Actually big guy shortboards and step up guns + 40 litres are not necessarily fun boards
Andrew Abbott 👍 yeah we're all different sizes shapes and abilities in different waves. There are a whole load of boards over 40 litres that wouldn't be classified as "funboards" and lots of people that rip on them and others that don't care as long as their having a good time. All good though. People are entitled to their opinion as long as everyone is playing nicely and not being mean 😛👍 cheers Andrew
I’m 16 stone and my 5,10 puddle jumper is probably the best small wave board I have owned. Lost do great boards for bigger or older guys that can still surf. Biolos has the foil and foam distributions dialled. Lots of people ride boards that are too small for them as they aspire to be like the pros. Volume is your friend, especially in winter.
Andrew Abbott great replies Andrew. Couldn't agree more. Most of my boards are over 40 too. Like you say there are situations where that's what you need to get waves and get the job done. I find the same with lost boards because lots of models are made my a regular surfer for regular surfers they understand volume and where to put it. Lots of lost boards paddle very well for the volume as the application of forward volume sensible rocker and clever concaves gets the job done and still gives us performance. 👍