@@ericradford2142then they move. Sometimes it works other times it doesn't. But don't think u gonna stand up to a billionaire and win. Learn to negotiate 😊
The books should be changed on what’s considered to be nonprofit. How’s a league like the NFL a nonprofit when it’s the most expensive league in professional sports?
Right, it’s not like when stadiums cost about 100 million and teams were worth only 15 - 30 million and players made less than a million a year. You have to be a top 50 richest people in the US or Canada to buy a pro sports team.
This is insane. Most of the NFL stadiums have 10/11 games a year yet these Billionaire owners want the public to pay for renovations and brand new stadiums. Take a hike
Blah blah blah. Relocate. Who cares. Where exactly do you think you're going? I can't believe how out of touch these team owners are. No one is lining up to build stadiums. The price tag of new stadiums has made NFL teams undesirable. Plus, there's only so many large markets in the country. Two of the bigger markets, St. Louis and San Diego have completely rejected new stadiums.
St Louis had approved plans for a new stadium but kronke didn't want it. That it why he had to pay st Louis almost a billion dollars for how he handled leaving. Stl got screwed and Kronke is the worst owner in professional sports.
Some cities might be willing. Maybe St Louis (they planned to pay with taxpayer money when they had a team), Raleigh, Toronto. Maybe even Portland, Mexico City, and Austin.
NFL is not going to Canada they have said a number of times as long as the CFL is still around they are not going to complete with it. They are not moving to Mexico either for a number of reasons. St. Louis maybe doubtful, SD maybe again no money. Oakland no money. Other places like Texas would be out so there is in reality a very small amount of cities that would work that would not infringe on other teams. You can’t move to Austin or anywhere in Texas. Cowboys and Texans would claim that area, you can’t just stick a team anywhere.
The stadium location is perfect in concert with great american ballpark. The weather in Cincinnati isnt that bad wither. Just make the current one better in some places or just build a roof like in Miami
Do you really expect Mike Brown of all people to say Yes I’m willing to spend my own money for a new stadium? Hell no, if anything he’d vice grip the city of Cincinnati into a new stadium and would it be in Downtown is a whole other issue on its own
Because some other teams in larger markets get these multi-billion dollar wet dreams for their owners.... So now every medium to small market owner wants that same happy ending... This happens every 25 years. Once the small market teams get their stadiums fixed up, Dallas, and New York will build $20 Billion stadiums.... Then the cycle will begin all over again. Average folks will be priced out of game tickets, because the cost will quadruple for those to offset their massive wet dreams.
Attending an NFL game today is a high end happening, for the better off. 400 dollar seats sushi and a stake. Its a football game grab a beer and a dog and sit the F down.
I’m a bengals fan there is absolutely no major issues with this stadium. I love it. The only need is the could decorate the plane cement for probably under a million dollars. DG has probably never been there. I don’t care if “people” rank it lower end of nfl stadiums. People have lost their damn minds on stadiums by building a new one every 20 years.
Corporate mindset is quickly ruining sports fans' experiences. I refuse to pay $1K for a weekend in L.A. to see my Rams. How much money does anyone need? Even streaming has become ridiculous with multiple subscriptions needed to see "special" games, including playoffs. People can't afford a home, but the "Bungles" want $300M for a stadium. America has lost its' way.
Was the insult necessary? The whole NFL CORPORATION is greedy read the conduct book for hosting the Super Bowl makes me not even want to attend a game. It’s not only the Bungles. It’s everywhere like why is there a need for 6 sports teams going on 10 in LA cause a lot of celebrities and overpopulated joes live there and they have to pay the taxes anyway.
@@Orlando_Steve it was a figure of speech. But just for you, let me re-phrase: I refuse to pay $1K for a weekend in L.A. to see THE Rams." Is that okay? Is it okay for a female to comment on sports? Don't be so rude.
You can't even afford to go to games as a normal person so why should public funds go to this? Let the rich people pay for this with even higher ticket prices. Let them pay $500 per ticket to sit in the nosebleeds and $5,000 per ticket to sit at the 50 yard line. It is all for them anyway.
@@ericradford2142 what's greedy about it? Let's be genuine, it's a business and one aims to make less losses and more profits when running a business. Any move that reduces expenses as well is a good deal for business.
Listen im for "public funding" but in this situation...unless the Bengals threatened to move to Oakland CA. If im the citizens of Cincinnati..i call the bluff
Yeah there is no place to play in Oakland. Its more of an empty threat. Where exactly could they go ? NFL has very few places to expand to. City should just start saying no. 49ers, Rams both built without public money.
@natej84 actually i found sound black furniture that does a good job at keeping cool outside and it would only be a problem in late August and early September
If a municipality pays for a stadium, that municipality should immediately take ownership of that team. At the very least, anyone who has ever paid into that municipal system, should get free yearly tickets
Or else? Btw the Art Modell law applies to Cincinnati too as well as the laws on the books is for the entire ENTIRE State of Ohio not just the city of Cleveland. They’re not going anywhere.
@@geebee6010It’s not just JJ it would be all the owners. No owner wants a team infringing on their area, Cowboys and Texans own the rights to Texas so no other team is moving in. Just like Florida or any other number of cities. If other teams can claim a loss of business they are not moving a team into that area. SD could be a possibility because they already had a team and that area is effectively abandoned.
Well a Roof is helps Weather Control so you can do more at the location other then just Football.. more Revenue is earned inside. sorry weather has been little more crazy soo.
The owners can build high dollar suites on the own dime, then let the high dollar people pay for them as they use them. There is nothing wrong with the Bengals stadium which requires a $400M upgrade....and 95% of Bengals fans would likely agree.
The stadium itself isn't bad on the outside. Inside, seating is pretty good but signage to get to the upper deck absolutely sucks. This is from having gone to games this past season.
I’m not disagreeing but it’s barely noticeable from your paycheck! Would be cool to see how much each citizen has contributed over time in their respective cities!
IMO, the city/county should have forced FC Cincinnati/MLS to renovate - and share - the Bengals' stadium rather than funding the purpose-built TQL Stadium at $250 million. Absolutely no reason for an NFL and MLS market to build single-use stadiums (same for NBA and NHL markets).
The NFL except for a few teams is unwatchable. Tell these owners to pay for it themselves. And the threat of leaving is laughable. They would leave regardless ala the Rams, if they get a deal, to their liking. Stop giving these billionaires your money and stop voting for tax money for these Stadiums that are a big waste of space for almost the entire year
I could see the Bengals end up in one of 2 situations: getting no lease renewel and having to move home games to either the Bearcats' stadium or F.C. Cincinatti's stadium before moving out of Cincy entirely or the lease gets extended but ni reno though unless a disaster happens to strike it
The Bengals contract with the city is pretty lopsided. Crazy how the city is on the hook for anything for any upgrades or remodeling. Literally, they have the city's balls in a vice grip.
When the Bengals leave town...I lose NO HONOR in being a front-runner fan. But in truth, I will probably just default to geography, and be a Colts fan.
Dome Dome Dome … but the stadium overall looks good but then again I don’t do the maintenance and maintain a useful stadium … I wish they could dome the current stadium
It would be absolutely ridiculous to do an open air stadium. Bengals stadium should have been a dome 20 years ago when they did the new stadium. If we had a dome the stadium could make money year round. For 20 plus years money was lost during winter months because no other entertainment can be held in the stadium due to inclement weather. It's a no brainer. Who wants to freeze to death or get rained on after you paid your hard earned money to attend a game or concert. Folks wanna be comfortable. I believe the NFL Owners collectively should pay for the stadiums through their profit sharing. That way small market teams don't risk losing their teams or be put in further financial burden. It's unfair to ask the Hamilton County tax payers to pay for another stadium that many of them have never stepped foot it.
keep in mind if we the average joe's ask for something we are the deadbeats and the takers. money for roads and schools we can't do that. let these guys pay for their stadiums. we as fans are being priced out any way
All this for 9, maybe 10 home games per season… and a few concerts in only warm weather months. has anyone actually proven out how these newer stadium builds and renovations benefit or hurt the cities financially? Is having a stadium and a NFL team really doing anything for these crumbling rust belt cities?
Mexico City Bengals? London Bengals? Possibly Orlando Bengals. Central Florida is the 17th largest TV market and in a league of 32 teams, we don't have one. Not that I'm saying I want one.
Re: Threatening to relocate once the lease is up. This isn't going to happen. The NFL has run out of leverage as there are no more markets to realistically expand to without a significant downgrade in population or encroaching on other teams' markets. This isn't like the last stadium boom, when each NFL city could point to LA or even Las Vegas as a potential relocation site. This is why the NFL is flirting with the idea of a London team-there are no more quality markets left in the USA. The NFL has peaked team-wise in the USA. Now, Cincinnati can tell the Bengals to go eat rocks; they need to either pay 50% of the $300 million or foot the entire bill. It’s time to make it a real partnership instead of just benefiting billionaires. The original deal for Paul Brown Stadium was atrocious, one of the worst in the league. It blew up Hamilton County and Cincinnati's budgets to the point where major cutbacks had to be implemented. Local officials had no choice as they couldn't lose the NFL team, but now they have more ammunition to fight back. The stadium isn’t that old, and the renovations would primarily benefit the Bengals.
Agree there are a handful of cities but very few willing to pay for a new stadium. Off hand the only ones that would work would be cities that had and lost a team like St. Louis, SD or Oakland. All three don’t have any money, so the move threat is really dead. Vegas was always the NFL talking point along with LA now both those markets are off the table. London is never going to work full time. The currency exchange ranges would kill a London based team unless they could come to an agreement players would be paid in Pounds not Dollars which is never going to happen.
@@scotttild Currencies used to be a thing in sports but teams now have Forex accounts and investments to hedge the currency flucations. Here in Canada, the NHL teams learned this after issues in the 90s and never really have to deal with negative parts of the USD/CAD dollar gap any more.
Would have been nice if they had originally built a roofed stadium, but if I remember in ‘96-97 after the tax levy passed, ownership wanted that AFC Central “toughness” of being exposed to the elements, that’s why they’re all open air stadiums. Then again domes were pretty miserable for a pro football feel 30 years ago.
The only reason this is even a discussion is becasuse the bengals lucked into getting a generational quarterback that is putting people in the seats right when negoitating a new lease needs to happen. The original lease was for so terrible for the City of Cincinnati/Hamilton County and team has done so little for the area that a lot of people don't see the benefit of giving the bengals anymore tax money.
eh, in today's money $300 million is probably conservative for a stadium renovation. other than city infrastructure in and around a stadium/arena area taxpayer funds should not be used for these purposes. there are billion dollar buildings that get built through private financing, so a sport team should be no different. if things don't work out in Hamilton County I could see them move down the river or ever across it to NKY. kinda like the Chiefs/Royals thing KCMO to KCKS. they would still be called the Cincinnati Bengals but would play in Newport, KY. who knows??? I could see Katie moving them to Austin, TX as well if a sweet deal came about
@@abdirahmanazzzer1042 As long as Mike Brown is still around I don’t see them leaving Cincinnati. He is very set in his ways and hates change. His dads team means a lot to him.
Pro sports teams holding local.tax bases hostage. And people who hate paycor stadium forget how just how bad the old riverfront stadium used to be!! And the cincinnati metro doesn't have as much open land as the cleveland metro does, the northern kentucky area has land but that's nowhere near downtown cincinnati.
The franchise is worth $4.0Billion. The owner should put up $2.0B toward any remodel or new stadium. I would say no public money for any NFLfranchise. Billionaires crying poor. No public money
@@scotttild That's not going to affect the NFL getting a team up there. CFL is a minor league product, there's no written law or anything that can keep the NFL from housing a team up there.
Win a Super Bowl and then come back to the table. Bengals fans pay or else? Attendance isn't the ONLY income. TV, merchandising, advertising, there is much more money pouring in OTHER than just Attendance. Most everything is fan related, especially out of pocket. WIN A SUPER BOWL! Start there and then come back to the table.
Denver Broncos funded renovations $100m last year. Team owners funded it, thankfully. If Bengals want stadium improvements, they should fund it themselves. And then we'd see how much it really cost.
Yeah but they are asking for a new stadium in a couple years so they are not going to ask twice. This way they look like the good guys by paying for the small renovations now. Waite until they want 1 billion.
Difference with Balt situation is Maryland is more liberal populace and government spending isn’t a big deal. Ohio is more conservative and Hamilton County especially is. Very averse to taxes.
@@BF2021-kf8xz Well that was in the 80s. But if you put it to a vote in almost any place "Do you want to subsidize a billionaire?" That's going to come back a resounding NO!
There was nothing wrong with the arena the Magic played in but the POS billionaire owner who also owned (SC)AMway threatened to relocate if the city didn't build a new one.
There is the Art Model law that was written into law in the State of Ohio that no professional sports franchise that gets public money for stadiums can move this applies for Cleveland franchises and Cincinnati franchises and Columbus franchises you can look up the Art Model law that a US Senator from Ohio wrote into law back in 1995 when the Cleveland Browns left town believe you me the Cincinnati Bengals are not going anywhere before they would move new ownership would have to happen and the new ownership would have to abide by the Art Model law too .
@@joshuakacik9458 Exactly people seem to forget that the Art Modell law is not just a thing to to the city of Cleveland but it applies to all of the entire state of Ohio so it’s for any sports team that’s threatening to leave from any city within Ohio. The soccer team is the only one it’s been used on and that was from Columbus. It’s not just a city of Cleveland laws it’s an ENTIRE state of Ohio law.
@@joshuakacik9458 I doubt that it's constitutional. That's political posturing. And paper won't stop moving vans. The governor of Maryland thought he could declare eminent domain on the Colts to keep them in Baltimore. How'd that work out?
This is insane. Inflation, high gas and food. Drug camps fill cities, crime is crazy. Many living paycheck to paycheck, while we allow people from wherever to just walk in and get free debit cards. Many have paid taxes in cities, states and the country - yet rich owners have the gull to ask tax payers to help pay. HOW BOUT NO!
I could see Salt Lake City but they are very anti tax in Utah so that would be a hard sell. MLB is making a push but still having a hard time getting any money to do anything.
Or else what where are they going to play. Start calling their bluff and just say enough, Pointed out time and time again there is just very few cities they could move to and they are all smaller markets. Enough is enough. Cities just need to start staying no Taxpayers are getting tired of funding these things.
This guy has no clue about the Bengals stadium issues. First of all Cincinnati is hundreds miles south of Pittsburgh and Cleveland, the weather is tolerable until about December. It doesn’t need a roof. Second the current stadium is funded through a sales tax that will expire in coming years. Good luck getting voters to approve another after the rip off deal to build the existing stadium. Part of that con game was it was needed to be competitive. Umm Bengals most years in Paul Brown stadium have had a terrible record. They still have never won a Super Bowl. Lastly he calls it a terrible stadium when it’s one of the very few to win architectural awards. They can just leave
The nfl makes over 12 billion a year. Why cant the nfl fund most of these stadiums. They've gotten used to the governments rolling over and using public money.
Everyone of theee millionaires & billionaires wants more of taxpayers (common folks) dollars while we are under super high inflation/high prices on EVERYTHING while wages/take home pay after alll the taxes, fica & healthcare fees are taken out your base pay (what actualy gets deposited into your bank accounts) remain stagnate or drop. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE FOLKS!! Not mad at those that tell these sports owners & teams to build it yourself or kicks rocks!! #IJS
This is lunacy. There is nothing wrong with Paycor PBS. The lease between Hamilton County and the Bengals was rated the worst for the taxpayers ever. When do we as taxpayers get to stop writing checks to billionaires? At what point does the federal government need to somehow end the madness.
I'm not sure what leverage the Bengals think they have, this is absolutely the worst stadium deal in the NFL for a local government. They would be better off if the Bengals pissed off to Kentucky, or somewhere else.
They really don't have any at all. The city can't keep them from moving but there are very limited landing spots. I mean where are they moving to Ohio stadium ? Cities should just start calling their bluff.
Could Cincinnati, like St. Louis, be more a baseball town? I remember when the 1987 St. Louis (NFL) Cardinals were announcing plans to relocate, someone stated that many fans in the St. Louis metro-area were more worried about the (MLB) Cardinals losing Jack Clark. Also, Art Modell specifically stated that he moved (the original) Browns out of Cleveland because the (at-that-time) Indians got a sweetheart deal for their new stadium.
The owners have money they can’t pay for a renovation ? I wish if the government was so corrupt they could tell them pay for this yourself and no you cannot threaten to relocate.
The owners became billionaires because they are great at using leverage for their own advantage. Why do use everybody think they will not use leverage for their own personal benefits by bending over any city or state to get a few more hundred million dollars that improves the value of their franchises? I see these comments all the time and I’m just shocked. Professional franchises will take every opportunity to suck every last dollar out of any community. It’s up to the communities to decide whether to pay or do not pay and risk losing a franchise. Research shows that losing franchise is not detrimental to State finances may be a little bit of a hurt on the Prestige of a town but an actuality businesses don’t decide to go and relocate to cities based on cost and availability of high quality personnel.
This is the City of Cincinnati fault because they knew this day was coming and this stadium is old and they gotta to complete and i think the Bengals need a new stadium
St Louis received two NFL relocation teams in its his history the Football Cardinals & Rams only to see these teams relocate later. With the St Louis UFL team doing very well St Louis could be considered for a future NFL expansion to finally have an NFL team originate in St Louis.
Bengals leaving for the greener pastures of Saskatoon.😂 Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Just one of the reasons, grift of city money etc, I stopped watching the NFL decades ago in favor of the CFL.
The Cincinnati Bengals are not relocating the Brown family is from Ohio plus there is the Art Model law that says before they can move the team they would have to put the franchise up for sale so that are local ownership can buy it and keep the team in Cincinnati it's really the Art Model law that was put into law in the State of Ohio after the Cleveland Browns left the first time so no Ohio professional sports teams that get public funding can ever move they can try but the Art Model law will stop them all the time it's the best law in the great State of Ohio ever State should have it so no professional team can threaten relocation.
i'm sick of these billionaires asking for public funding for a private building. pay for it yourselves or kick rocks
I couldn’t agree with you more.
@@ericradford2142then they move. Sometimes it works other times it doesn't. But don't think u gonna stand up to a billionaire and win. Learn to negotiate 😊
The books should be changed on what’s considered to be nonprofit. How’s a league like the NFL a nonprofit when it’s the most expensive league in professional sports?
Right, it’s not like when stadiums cost about 100 million and teams were worth only 15 - 30 million and players made less than a million a year. You have to be a top 50 richest people in the US or Canada to buy a pro sports team.
I guarantee that if they pay for the stadium, it won’t get updated every 7-10 years at the cost of 100’s of millions. Clowns
This 20 year lifespan talk is ridiculous and insulting
Yeah it’s really insane nowadays!!
By that standard Nippert should have been dead decades ago. They build Paul Brown with playdough' Lmao
This is insane. Most of the NFL stadiums have 10/11 games a year yet these Billionaire owners want the public to pay for renovations and brand new stadiums. Take a hike
Blah blah blah. Relocate. Who cares. Where exactly do you think you're going? I can't believe how out of touch these team owners are. No one is lining up to build stadiums. The price tag of new stadiums has made NFL teams undesirable. Plus, there's only so many large markets in the country. Two of the bigger markets, St. Louis and San Diego have completely rejected new stadiums.
St Louis had approved plans for a new stadium but kronke didn't want it. That it why he had to pay st Louis almost a billion dollars for how he handled leaving. Stl got screwed and Kronke is the worst owner in professional sports.
Some cities might be willing. Maybe St Louis (they planned to pay with taxpayer money when they had a team), Raleigh, Toronto. Maybe even Portland, Mexico City, and Austin.
NFL is not going to Canada they have said a number of times as long as the CFL is still around they are not going to complete with it. They are not moving to Mexico either for a number of reasons. St. Louis maybe doubtful, SD maybe again no money. Oakland no money. Other places like Texas would be out so there is in reality a very small amount of cities that would work that would not infringe on other teams. You can’t move to Austin or anywhere in Texas. Cowboys and Texans would claim that area, you can’t just stick a team anywhere.
@@mjkcm4 Let's not overlook John Fisher, Dan Snyder, Howard Schultz, and Alex Meruelo.
The team never threatened to leave as part of this story.
The stadium location is perfect in concert with great american ballpark. The weather in Cincinnati isnt that bad wither. Just make the current one better in some places or just build a roof like in Miami
As a Bengals fan i say no let them walk the ownership has spent the bare minimum of decades
Do you really expect Mike Brown of all people to say Yes I’m willing to spend my own money for a new stadium? Hell no, if anything he’d vice grip the city of Cincinnati into a new stadium and would it be in Downtown is a whole other issue on its own
Stadiums still looks great not sure why it needs renovation
Gotta keep with the times
Because some other teams in larger markets get these multi-billion dollar wet dreams for their owners.... So now every medium to small market owner wants that same happy ending... This happens every 25 years. Once the small market teams get their stadiums fixed up, Dallas, and New York will build $20 Billion stadiums.... Then the cycle will begin all over again.
Average folks will be priced out of game tickets, because the cost will quadruple for those to offset their massive wet dreams.
Attending an NFL game today is a high end happening, for the better off. 400 dollar seats sushi and a stake. Its a football game grab a beer and a dog and sit the F down.
@@EdoggCentral Finally NFL stadiums will be a series of high end luxury boxes. Where you need a six figure income to get a ticket.
I’m a bengals fan there is absolutely no major issues with this stadium. I love it. The only need is the could decorate the plane cement for probably under a million dollars. DG has probably never been there. I don’t care if “people” rank it lower end of nfl stadiums. People have lost their damn minds on stadiums by building a new one every 20 years.
Corporate mindset is quickly ruining sports fans' experiences. I refuse to pay $1K for a weekend in L.A. to see my Rams. How much money does anyone need? Even streaming has become ridiculous with multiple subscriptions needed to see "special" games, including playoffs. People can't afford a home, but the "Bungles" want $300M for a stadium. America has lost its' way.
Was the insult necessary? The whole NFL CORPORATION is greedy read the conduct book for hosting the Super Bowl makes me not even want to attend a game. It’s not only the Bungles. It’s everywhere like why is there a need for 6 sports teams going on 10 in LA cause a lot of celebrities and overpopulated joes live there and they have to pay the taxes anyway.
They are not "your" Rams. If they were you'd be getting a cut of loot instead of paying.
@@Orlando_Steve it was a figure of speech. But just for you, let me re-phrase: I refuse to pay $1K for a weekend in L.A. to see THE Rams." Is that okay? Is it okay for a female to comment on sports? Don't be so rude.
@@shawnamelva583 Yes. No. OK. 🤣🤣🤣
With all these new stadiums and stadium renovations, you're never going to run out of content!
This is the channel where I get my stadium news
You can't even afford to go to games as a normal person so why should public funds go to this? Let the rich people pay for this with even higher ticket prices. Let them pay $500 per ticket to sit in the nosebleeds and $5,000 per ticket to sit at the 50 yard line. It is all for them anyway.
Owners are like: that's a nice team you got there.... would be shame if someone was to.... relocate it?!
It’s all in the name of greed.
@@ericradford2142 what's greedy about it? Let's be genuine, it's a business and one aims to make less losses and more profits when running a business. Any move that reduces expenses as well is a good deal for business.
Listen im for "public funding" but in this situation...unless the Bengals threatened to move to Oakland CA. If im the citizens of Cincinnati..i call the bluff
Yeah there is no place to play in Oakland. Its more of an empty threat. Where exactly could they go ? NFL has very few places to expand to. City should just start saying no. 49ers, Rams both built without public money.
They could move to San Diego or St. louis, too
Nothing is moving TO Oakland. Even In-N-Out Burger got the F out of that hell hole!
Paycor needs bengals color seats and it will elevate the vibe massively
Yea and a jungle theme near the entrance the interior is not as crazy as a exterior the exterior is fine
Orange seats turn pink after a couple years and black seats get too hot
@natej84 actually i found sound black furniture that does a good job at keeping cool outside and it would only be a problem in late August and early September
@@benpezzot8805I believe they are doing this in the current Reno
Where ya gonna go? -Phil Castilini
Any place dumb enough to build them a stadium.
If a municipality pays for a stadium, that municipality should immediately take ownership of that team. At the very least, anyone who has ever paid into that municipal system, should get free yearly tickets
Or else? Btw the Art Modell law applies to Cincinnati too as well as the laws on the books is for the entire ENTIRE State of Ohio not just the city of Cleveland. They’re not going anywhere.
They could move to Columbus lol
@@geebee6010 what about orlando or san Antonio
How about sandusky, Ohio?
@@godchildYT Orlando is not Ohio and San Antonio will never happen at all with any team due to Jerry Jones.
@@geebee6010It’s not just JJ it would be all the owners. No owner wants a team infringing on their area, Cowboys and Texans own the rights to Texas so no other team is moving in. Just like Florida or any other number of cities. If other teams can claim a loss of business they are not moving a team into that area. SD could be a possibility because they already had a team and that area is effectively abandoned.
A new stadium is out of the question. There would be zero support.
Well a Roof is helps Weather Control so you can do more at the location other then just Football.. more Revenue is earned inside. sorry weather has been little more crazy soo.
That's what the city council wants. But they want the NFL to chip in, along with the Bengals
If they renovate and do an open air stadium, they need to cut the entire mid/upper levels out. Then build around it.
Bengals should build a floating stadium on the Ohio River so next time,(2-3 yrs) they can float it somewhere else and demand a renovation
😂😂
The owners can build high dollar suites on the own dime, then let the high dollar people pay for them as they use them. There is nothing wrong with the Bengals stadium which requires a $400M upgrade....and 95% of Bengals fans would likely agree.
The stadium itself isn't bad on the outside. Inside, seating is pretty good but signage to get to the upper deck absolutely sucks. This is from having gone to games this past season.
I’m not disagreeing but it’s barely noticeable from your paycheck! Would be cool to see how much each citizen has contributed over time in their respective cities!
What's up with all these NFL teams threatening to relocate all of a sudden lol
More like all sports tbh
That's what I'm saying lol
Greed
@@natevart4156the A's started this
They aren’t going anywhere the Art Modell laws on the books for the entire state of Ohio not just the city of Cleveland.
IMO, the city/county should have forced FC Cincinnati/MLS to renovate - and share - the Bengals' stadium rather than funding the purpose-built TQL Stadium at $250 million. Absolutely no reason for an NFL and MLS market to build single-use stadiums (same for NBA and NHL markets).
Did you put the wrong article in at 6:35 to see if anyone would care/notice ?
The NFL except for a few teams is unwatchable. Tell these owners to pay for it themselves. And the threat of leaving is laughable. They would leave regardless ala the Rams, if they get a deal, to their liking. Stop giving these billionaires your money and stop voting for tax money for these Stadiums that are a big waste of space for almost the entire year
Here is an idea. Move the Bengals to Chicago and they can share a new stadium on Chicago 's Lakefront.
Chicago doesn't deserve 2 football teams. They don't even deserve 2 baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss
I don't think you meant to include material about a Canadian exit tax proposal.
Go way!! The Bengals Stadium looks ok.
I could see the Bengals end up in one of 2 situations: getting no lease renewel and having to move home games to either the Bearcats' stadium or F.C. Cincinatti's stadium before moving out of Cincy entirely or the lease gets extended but ni reno though unless a disaster happens to strike it
The Bengals contract with the city is pretty lopsided. Crazy how the city is on the hook for anything for any upgrades or remodeling. Literally, they have the city's balls in a vice grip.
The only thing they need to change is that B in the center with the leaping tiger
There no point in getting a new stadium. It’s in a perfect location and it still looks modern. Maybe change the seats to black and orange 🍊.
When the Bengals leave town...I lose NO HONOR in being a front-runner fan. But in truth, I will probably just default to geography, and be a Colts fan.
Should be the Indianapolis Irsays. They are not the Colts.
I want Ginger to talk about the feud between Drake and Kendrick Lamar
I'm no architect/structural engineer, but I can surmise that it would be Impossible to put a Roof on Paycor Stadium.....
Once again as i stated about other stadiums this one is just fine i don't know what the problem is must be missing something
Dome Dome Dome … but the stadium overall looks good but then again I don’t do the maintenance and maintain a useful stadium … I wish they could dome the current stadium
It would be absolutely ridiculous to do an open air stadium. Bengals stadium should have been a dome 20 years ago when they did the new stadium. If we had a dome the stadium could make money year round. For 20 plus years money was lost during winter months because no other entertainment can be held in the stadium due to inclement weather. It's a no brainer. Who wants to freeze to death or get rained on after you paid your hard earned money to attend a game or concert. Folks wanna be comfortable. I believe the NFL Owners collectively should pay for the stadiums through their profit sharing. That way small market teams don't risk losing their teams or be put in further financial burden. It's unfair to ask the Hamilton County tax payers to pay for another stadium that many of them have never stepped foot it.
keep in mind if we the average joe's ask for something we are the deadbeats and the takers. money for roads and schools we can't do that. let these guys pay for their stadiums. we as fans are being priced out any way
Do not take anything the Enquirer prints as representation of the fanbsee
Their journalists want to get rid of the Bengals
All this for 9, maybe 10 home games per season… and a few concerts in only warm weather months.
has anyone actually proven out how these newer stadium builds and renovations benefit or hurt the cities financially?
Is having a stadium and a NFL team really doing anything for these crumbling rust belt cities?
Mexico City Bengals? London Bengals? Possibly Orlando Bengals. Central Florida is the 17th largest TV market and in a league of 32 teams, we don't have one. Not that I'm saying I want one.
Why the hell does a stadium that is only 20 years old need $300 million in upgrades.absurd.
and move to Never Never Land If everybody would just stop watching the NFL and stop giving them money for one year this would stop
If a bunch cities say f u to nfl teams nfl panic Be great to see
Re: Threatening to relocate once the lease is up. This isn't going to happen. The NFL has run out of leverage as there are no more markets to realistically expand to without a significant downgrade in population or encroaching on other teams' markets. This isn't like the last stadium boom, when each NFL city could point to LA or even Las Vegas as a potential relocation site. This is why the NFL is flirting with the idea of a London team-there are no more quality markets left in the USA. The NFL has peaked team-wise in the USA.
Now, Cincinnati can tell the Bengals to go eat rocks; they need to either pay 50% of the $300 million or foot the entire bill. It’s time to make it a real partnership instead of just benefiting billionaires. The original deal for Paul Brown Stadium was atrocious, one of the worst in the league. It blew up Hamilton County and Cincinnati's budgets to the point where major cutbacks had to be implemented. Local officials had no choice as they couldn't lose the NFL team, but now they have more ammunition to fight back. The stadium isn’t that old, and the renovations would primarily benefit the Bengals.
Agree there are a handful of cities but very few willing to pay for a new stadium. Off hand the only ones that would work would be cities that had and lost a team like St. Louis, SD or Oakland. All three don’t have any money, so the move threat is really dead. Vegas was always the NFL talking point along with LA now both those markets are off the table. London is never going to work full time. The currency exchange ranges would kill a London based team unless they could come to an agreement players would be paid in Pounds not Dollars which is never going to happen.
@@scotttild Currencies used to be a thing in sports but teams now have Forex accounts and investments to hedge the currency flucations. Here in Canada, the NHL teams learned this after issues in the 90s and never really have to deal with negative parts of the USD/CAD dollar gap any more.
Would have been nice if they had originally built a roofed stadium, but if I remember in ‘96-97 after the tax levy passed, ownership wanted that AFC Central “toughness” of being exposed to the elements, that’s why they’re all open air stadiums. Then again domes were pretty miserable for a pro football feel 30 years ago.
The only reason this is even a discussion is becasuse the bengals lucked into getting a generational quarterback that is putting people in the seats right when negoitating a new lease needs to happen. The original lease was for so terrible for the City of Cincinnati/Hamilton County and team has done so little for the area that a lot of people don't see the benefit of giving the bengals anymore tax money.
I hope it doesn't get a roof.. i like it as is
eh, in today's money $300 million is probably conservative for a stadium renovation. other than city infrastructure in and around a stadium/arena area taxpayer funds should not be used for these purposes. there are billion dollar buildings that get built through private financing, so a sport team should be no different. if things don't work out in Hamilton County I could see them move down the river or ever across it to NKY. kinda like the Chiefs/Royals thing KCMO to KCKS. they would still be called the Cincinnati Bengals but would play in Newport, KY. who knows??? I could see Katie moving them to Austin, TX as well if a sweet deal came about
They can’t move to Austin, Tx the Cowboys own the rights to that area.
Louisville Kentucky is good option for them to relocate
@@abdirahmanazzzer1042 As long as Mike Brown is still around I don’t see them leaving Cincinnati. He is very set in his ways and hates change. His dads team means a lot to him.
Organizations are now extorting their fans. Shit is absolutely wild.
Pro sports teams holding local.tax bases hostage. And people who hate paycor stadium forget how just how bad the old riverfront stadium used to be!! And the cincinnati metro doesn't have as much open land as the cleveland metro does, the northern kentucky area has land but that's nowhere near downtown cincinnati.
The franchise is worth $4.0Billion. The owner should put up $2.0B toward any remodel or new stadium. I would say no public money for any NFLfranchise. Billionaires crying poor. No public money
It's going to be quite a few teams moving around in the NFL. Move one of them up to Toronto, please!!!
Not going to happen as long as the CFL is still around
@@scotttild That's not going to affect the NFL getting a team up there. CFL is a minor league product, there's no written law or anything that can keep the NFL from housing a team up there.
I hope Joe Burrow likes poutine
you should compare it with the browns stadium.
I'm so sick this too.
Win a Super Bowl and then come back to the table. Bengals fans pay or else? Attendance isn't the ONLY income. TV, merchandising, advertising, there is much more money pouring in OTHER than just Attendance. Most everything is fan related, especially out of pocket. WIN A SUPER BOWL! Start there and then come back to the table.
Denver Broncos funded renovations $100m last year. Team owners funded it, thankfully. If Bengals want stadium improvements, they should fund it themselves. And then we'd see how much it really cost.
Yeah but they are asking for a new stadium in a couple years so they are not going to ask twice. This way they look like the good guys by paying for the small renovations now. Waite until they want 1 billion.
Difference with Balt situation is Maryland is more liberal populace and government spending isn’t a big deal. Ohio is more conservative and Hamilton County especially is. Very averse to taxes.
The people actually voted AGAINST public funding of the current stadiums for the Orioles and Ravens. A judged overturned the vote of the people.
@@Orlando_Steve really? I stand corrected. I assumed the public was on board.
@@BF2021-kf8xz Well that was in the 80s. But if you put it to a vote in almost any place "Do you want to subsidize a billionaire?" That's going to come back a resounding NO!
Bro, there's nothing wrong with the stadium. It looks good. Way better looking than that old, crappy Lambeau Field
There was nothing wrong with the arena the Magic played in but the POS billionaire owner who also owned (SC)AMway threatened to relocate if the city didn't build a new one.
I hope the bengals can stay in Cincinnati and not relocate
There is the Art Model law that was written into law in the State of Ohio that no professional sports franchise that gets public money for stadiums can move this applies for Cleveland franchises and Cincinnati franchises and Columbus franchises you can look up the Art Model law that a US Senator from Ohio wrote into law back in 1995 when the Cleveland Browns left town believe you me the Cincinnati Bengals are not going anywhere before they would move new ownership would have to happen and the new ownership would have to abide by the Art Model law too .
@@joshuakacik9458 Exactly people seem to forget that the Art Modell law is not just a thing to to the city of Cleveland but it applies to all of the entire state of Ohio so it’s for any sports team that’s threatening to leave from any city within Ohio. The soccer team is the only one it’s been used on and that was from Columbus. It’s not just a city of Cleveland laws it’s an ENTIRE state of Ohio law.
They will be staying
@@joshuakacik9458 I doubt that it's constitutional. That's political posturing. And paper won't stop moving vans. The governor of Maryland thought he could declare eminent domain on the Colts to keep them in Baltimore. How'd that work out?
This is insane. Inflation, high gas and food. Drug camps fill cities, crime is crazy. Many living paycheck to paycheck, while we allow people from wherever to just walk in and get free debit cards. Many have paid taxes in cities, states and the country - yet rich owners have the gull to ask tax payers to help pay. HOW BOUT NO!
zero rings should have zero demands
Here’s a new idea. Billionaires paying for their own stadium instead of taxpayers
Not gonna happen when these owners buy politicians
Who are the Bangles
At the end of the day they're going to get what they want
The bengals don’t need a new stadium.
Agreed
The Bengals have notoriously one of the worst and cheapest owners, not surprised they begging.
Pack your bags, the Colts can show you how to do it.
Nobody is moving. I love the NFL, but the NFL can kiss our taxpayers ass!
Is Ginger calling the Begals the Bangles?
another team shaking down their fans for something they should build and own themselves... I say let them walk and say good riddence...
I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s all in the name of greed.
Panters dont need a roof
Who are the Panters?
Panters?
If you are talking about the Panthers, they don't need a roof, but a lot of teams want roofs to host major year-round events.
Maybe they could just dissolve the team?
Where they going to move to Columbus or Chicago ?
Maybe Salt Lake City
I could see Salt Lake City but they are very anti tax in Utah so that would be a hard sell. MLB is making a push but still having a hard time getting any money to do anything.
@@scotttild maybe Austin is another choice
When did tax dollars and sports get involved together I thought the million and billionaire need to pay their fare share
Pay up billionaires, we don't care if you leave town.
Let them walk.
Or else what where are they going to play. Start calling their bluff and just say enough, Pointed out time and time again there is just very few cities they could move to and they are all smaller markets. Enough is enough. Cities just need to start staying no Taxpayers are getting tired of funding these things.
This guy has no clue about the Bengals stadium issues. First of all Cincinnati is hundreds miles south of Pittsburgh and Cleveland, the weather is tolerable until about December. It doesn’t need a roof. Second the current stadium is funded through a sales tax that will expire in coming years. Good luck getting voters to approve another after the rip off deal to build the existing stadium. Part of that con game was it was needed to be competitive. Umm Bengals most years in Paul Brown stadium have had a terrible record. They still have never won a Super Bowl. Lastly he calls it a terrible stadium when it’s one of the very few to win architectural awards. They can just leave
What's wrong with the stadium, structural cosmetic?
Seems like a very nice one to me
Good Bye Bengals! Move to Paducah! But they aren't dumb enough to give any money for nothing!
Socialism for the rich
The nfl makes over 12 billion a year. Why cant the nfl fund most of these stadiums. They've gotten used to the governments rolling over and using public money.
Amen brother
Everyone of theee millionaires & billionaires wants more of taxpayers (common folks) dollars while we are under super high inflation/high prices on EVERYTHING while wages/take home pay after alll the taxes, fica & healthcare fees are taken out your base pay (what actualy gets deposited into your bank accounts) remain stagnate or drop. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE FOLKS!! Not mad at those that tell these sports owners & teams to build it yourself or kicks rocks!! #IJS
Bye 👋🏽
Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps
This is lunacy. There is nothing wrong with Paycor PBS. The lease between Hamilton County and the Bengals was rated the worst for the taxpayers ever. When do we as taxpayers get to stop writing checks to billionaires? At what point does the federal government need to somehow end the madness.
Let the Bengals move. An absolute waste of taxpayers' money.
I'm not sure what leverage the Bengals think they have, this is absolutely the worst stadium deal in the NFL for a local government. They would be better off if the Bengals pissed off to Kentucky, or somewhere else.
We will take them to Louisville
They really don't have any at all. The city can't keep them from moving but there are very limited landing spots. I mean where are they moving to Ohio stadium ? Cities should just start calling their bluff.
Could Cincinnati, like St. Louis, be more a baseball town? I remember when the 1987 St. Louis (NFL) Cardinals were announcing plans to relocate, someone stated that many fans in the St. Louis metro-area were more worried about the (MLB) Cardinals losing Jack Clark. Also, Art Modell specifically stated that he moved (the original) Browns out of Cleveland because the (at-that-time) Indians got a sweetheart deal for their new stadium.
The owners have money they can’t pay for a renovation ? I wish if the government was so corrupt they could tell them pay for this yourself and no you cannot threaten to relocate.
The Bengals ownership is not as rich as you people may think
The owners became billionaires because they are great at using leverage for their own advantage. Why do use everybody think they will not use leverage for their own personal benefits by bending over any city or state to get a few more hundred million dollars that improves the value of their franchises? I see these comments all the time and I’m just shocked. Professional franchises will take every opportunity to suck every last dollar out of any community. It’s up to the communities to decide whether to pay or do not pay and risk losing a franchise. Research shows that losing franchise is not detrimental to State finances may be a little bit of a hurt on the Prestige of a town but an actuality businesses don’t decide to go and relocate to cities based on cost and availability of high quality personnel.
Need more money 💰
Make a call to Ukraine. 300m is pocket change for them.
Or call Israel. They buy off all our politicians
Stop watching and supporting sportsball.
This is the City of Cincinnati fault because they knew this day was coming and this stadium is old and they gotta to complete and i think the Bengals need a new stadium
The stadium belongs to Hamilton County not the city of Cincinnati
Perfectly fne NFL stadium wtf
Don't move to Saint Louis, we don't want the NFL in this town.
And I believe I speak for the majority of the residents in the Saint Louis metro area.
St Louis received two NFL relocation teams in its his history the Football Cardinals & Rams only to see these teams relocate later. With the St Louis UFL team doing very well St Louis could be considered for a future NFL expansion to finally have an NFL team originate in St Louis.
Bengals leaving for the greener pastures of Saskatoon.😂
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Just one of the reasons, grift of city money etc, I stopped watching the NFL decades ago in favor of the CFL.
The Cincinnati Bengals are not relocating the Brown family is from Ohio plus there is the Art Model law that says before they can move the team they would have to put the franchise up for sale so that are local ownership can buy it and keep the team in Cincinnati it's really the Art Model law that was put into law in the State of Ohio after the Cleveland Browns left the first time so no Ohio professional sports teams that get public funding can ever move they can try but the Art Model law will stop them all the time it's the best law in the great State of Ohio ever State should have it so no professional team can threaten relocation.