I'm obviously going to be biased because I'm a Packers fan, but I don't get why the teams are so willing to replace the historic stadiums in the NFL. There are so few of the older stadiums left and I'd think they'd want to preserve the history. In baseball they would riot if they didn't try to preserve the historic stadiums, but it seems the NFL is fine abandoning historic stadiums. I hope the Chiefs stay at Arrowhead and renovate.
Arrowhead stadium proves there is a rampant contradiction problem in the NFL as it pertains to stadium ratings. Jacksonville Jaguars play in a stadium with recent upgrades like two gigantic scoreboards. Regional amenities like a swimming pool, beach cabanas, and palm trees and great location by water, but because it's market is not as supported or has longevity like Kansas City Chiefs, its stadium is considered subpar as compared to Arrowhead stadium, which has great space to tailgate, loud seating bowl, but tiny score board and outdated facade. Jaguars stadium is always at the bottom in stadium rankings but a pro football stadium located in an obscure location on gigantic slab of concrete is rated higher.
I'm really against taxpayers having to pay for luxury suits which they will never be able to enjoy. If you're spending taxpayer money, it should be for aspects of the stadium taxpayers can access. Let the luxury suit holders foot their own bills to make their areas nice. They can afford it.
A taxpayer can access the luxury suites if they pay for them, just like how a taxpayer can access the stadium if they pay for a ticket. Stadiums aren't open to the public at large like a park is, so zero tax money should be spent on them.
@@draveed Yeah what normal person can afford a suite for 250,000 a game get real. They are for the 1% and the Taylor Swifts of the world. It is beyond absurd taxpayers should pay for any of it.
Don’t kid yourself. Renovations are not about making stadiums “better”. The ONLY thing that matters in a renovation is making changes that increase non-shared revenue in accordance with the NFL revenue sharing agreement; this means club seats, luxury suites, concession revenue, in stadium advertising and parking. Everything else that comes along with a renovation is just fluff.
Arrowhead stadium is such an iconic venue and it would be a disgraceful move on Clark’s end if he moved the chiefs to a domed facility in Kansas City Kansas.
This stadium opened in 1972 and the last renovation they had was over 10 years ago I think they either need to have a massive renovation inside with some improvements made to the exterior or just get a new stadium like the Bills whose Old Highmark stadium was built a year later in 1973
If they renovate it or build a new one, it will just be to create more luxury suites that price out the average NFL fan. All of this stadium drama you see across the country is just so the rich owners of these teams can get richer. This isn't me being anti-capitalist. It is just me saying that pro sports stadiums should be for the working class fans who are the main people that devotedly support these teams. Arrowhead has one of the best atmospheres in the NFL, if not the best. Why mess around with that.
The Chiefs will move to the KCK side. Any renovations that don't include enclosing Arrowhead, would be for nothing. And the cost of enclosing and repurposing the area that used to be Royals Stadium, would cost more than the new stadium. The people of Jackson county will not support any tax increase that would have to pull in the money to pay for that, either. Only a new facility would garner the events that Arrowhead would not be able to attract. Also there are more things to draw people to the area where the new stadium would be built. Each area would compliment each other. Where Arrowhead is now, only games or concerts bring people to the area. Kansas has the ball in their court, and only Kansas will determine the future of where the chiefs will play in the future.
No one is in the mood to vote in new taxes KCK just voted down a school tax increase Now, think KCK wants to subsidize millionaires to make more money? Good luck with that
I prefer to stay at arrowhead, nothing better than gameday there and don't want a roof. Having that extra homefield advantage with the weather in January is good and plus renovations wouldn't begin untill after the 2026 world cup.
This guy gets it. Entertainment costs money and stadiums are important civic structures. It makes perfect sense that public funds would be used to build them just as public funds are used for schools, theaters, museums, zoos, etc. Then there's the know-it-alls who love to quote economic studies that have nothing to do with the average person who isn't looking to capitalize on the new stadium by opening a business near it. The only "economic analysis" needed is asking yourself if your willing to keep paying a few bucks a month to have pro sports and world class venues in your city. If your answer is no, why are you living in a city when you could simply move to a small town where nothing ever happens and be left alone? Also, random people on the Internet don't care about the city you live in, don't let cranky buzz kills tell you what's best for your city.
The minute they answered what the money was going to be used for, thats when things went south and the proposal was rejected. The public doesn't want to fund a renovation for some rich person to have to have a better game experience and to hold ygeir cocktail parties. The stadium is legendary, no doubt about it, but the area around it seems empty of venues, hotels, or greenery.
If the citizens of Jackson County reject the next tax paying funding bill. They will lose both Chiefs and Royals for good. The nfl and mlb will give them the Oakland treatment
This is true and people in KC need to get this through their heads. All the know it alls and amateur economists are gonna be pissed when they realize they had a chance to keep both teams in KC but talked themselves into voting no for one stupid reason or another.
@@scotttild just because someone is worth 4 billion doesn't mean they have 4 billion in cash. Why use my money when I can use yours 😉. Clock is ticking on Kansas city sports. Pay up....or else
The reason I didn't go vote(I BIG FAN went to Chiefs games at old Municipal Stadium...) is because of all the talk of putting stadium Down Town! Bad Idea!!! ever try to get home from a concert downtown???🚖😱 i'L ABSOLUTELEY go vote to keep the Chiefs in town
I don't live locally but have been to Kaufman multiple times. I think the downtown park is great followed by the Arrowhead rebuild. I think it works for that market. Improving Arrowhead would be a waste of money. I understand the ownership has to decide what is profitable but so does the city in a place that can not spend massively every year. The Royals are finally back to competing again. It takes a while in KC but it works better than many teams in big markets.
Could we see the Royals move in to where the SKC mls team plays meaning a renovation to turn it into a baseball/soccer stadium while arrowhead gets renovated?
Johnson County, Kansas is one of the wealthiest counties in the country with a huge tax base. Plus, the area where the new stadium is being proposed, is already a well established entertainment district. The cities between Lawrence and KCK, in Wyandotte and Douglas Counties, are rapidly expanding as well. They would be moving 15 miles west down I-70. It's not like they would be moving out to Dodge City. Lol! The fan base would still be exactly the same.
If arrowhead stadium is "grandfathered" in as an all-time great stadium. How could it potentially be abandoned?. Grandfathered in means it couldn't be abandoned at any point in time.
As as chiefs fan who lives in Kansas City. Clark Hunt seems to care a lot about his father legacy and Arrowhead is apart of that legacy the last thing he wants to do is leave. He will try to stay at all cost expect for paying it all of course. The city of Kansas City, MO did say they are in talks with the teams and could bypass voters for funding and the state of Missouri wouldn't want to lose the Chiefs to Kansas of all places.
The repeated speculations about the Chiefs "gaining space" if the Royals leave Kauffman are pure nonsense. Each stadium operates in its own bubble. Either facility could complete exterior expansions without impinging on the other's space. Neither would have to move. If either teamed wished to brings its stadium exterior up to Ginger's imagined standard, it could do so by reconfiguring roads and parking lots within the Truman Sports Complex. Furthermore,, there is no such thing as "baseball parking lots." The parking lots serve the Truman Sports Complex, not individual stadiums. On baseball days, the cars of baseball-goers fill those spaces. On football days, the cars (and grills) of football-goers fill those spaces. The parking capacity serves the capacity of a full Arrowhead alone. (The most remote lots are never open for baseball games. Not needed.) The lots cannot support simultaneous use of both stadiums if Arrowhead is more than half-filled. If the baseball stadium disappears, the Chiefs will gain no lots as the parking infrastructure would be exactly the same. The Chiefs' renovation renderings repurposed only the space taken up by the baseball stadium structure itself. (And I fully concur that those renderings underwhelmed.) Rather than simply increase parking capacity, it seems the Chiefs sought to create something "fun" in that space. (To reiterate: lackluster!)
Keep the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. No more building newer venues. With a rising costs of inflation no one not even the taxpayers can afford to foot the bill
Hunt is worth over 4 billion he wants a new building he can pay for it. Enough with asking taxpayers. Moving is a total bluff, now that Vegas is gone for being used there are very few places you could put a team or move to without infringing on another teams area. Texas, Florida are out, Canada is out for other reasons so where is he moving to ? Nebraska ?
So basically they want 800M to build or renovate luxury boxes to make the ownership even richer. Sounds like they can substantially increase their profit for custom boxes and seats. Sounds like a money grab at the expense of the tax payers. I am sure PSL will also be a part of this. No wonder it did not pass. If they cared about the fans they would put a roof on the stadium considering the amount of fans that had frostbite at the Miami game. The stadium looks great. I consider Green Bay No1, here forever and Chiefs soon after.
It just seems like an opportunity for owners to line their own pockets with taxpayer money, only every dollar from taxes is translating into tens of thousands for owners. I really don't like the idea of football stadiums being paid for by taxpayers.
Ok well when teams leave cities, that sucks a lot too. This is America. Billionaires benefit from everything. Who cares if they get a little richer after the city makes an investment in itself by improving its stadiums? People act like these deals can't be mutually beneficial.
The Chiefs have sold out nearly every game since the 1990's and have one of the largest stadiums in the NFL. You just see it a lot more now because of the recent playoff success. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
lol yeah, it's probably news to some of these people that Clark Hunt can't just go down to the ATM and pull out 4 billy. I've lived in KC basically my whole life. People are going to be upset if one or both of these teams leave and the city wouldn't be the same without them. People aren't going to care about all these nitpicky problems with the plans when the moving trucks show up at the stadiums. Sitting in downtown traffic after a Royals game will start seeming not so bad after all. @sirchi8731
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Your proposed greenspace idea is nice in theory. That grass will be so heavily trampled that it'll turn into a mud pit.
I've been to Arrowhead and its a historic NFL stadium like Lambeau. It should be saved from demolition
Same here but, their probably not going to keep it which is lost memory of more than thousands of fans and players that become stars that is very sad.
I'm obviously going to be biased because I'm a Packers fan, but I don't get why the teams are so willing to replace the historic stadiums in the NFL. There are so few of the older stadiums left and I'd think they'd want to preserve the history. In baseball they would riot if they didn't try to preserve the historic stadiums, but it seems the NFL is fine abandoning historic stadiums. I hope the Chiefs stay at Arrowhead and renovate.
Clark Hunt does not want to leave Arrowhead.
Main reason-money! The more modern the stadium-ie luxury suites, restaurants, concessions, and shops means more money for the team and players!
It’s called money DUHHHHHH
@@ZIIGxZAGx they'll go where they get the best deal, as will the Royals
Arrowhead is a great stadium. It would be disgraceful for them to leave such an iconic venue.
Arrowhead stadium proves there is a rampant contradiction problem in the NFL as it pertains to stadium ratings. Jacksonville Jaguars play in a stadium with recent upgrades like two gigantic scoreboards. Regional amenities like a swimming pool, beach cabanas, and palm trees and great location by water, but because it's market is not as supported or has longevity like Kansas City Chiefs, its stadium is considered subpar as compared to Arrowhead stadium, which has great space to tailgate, loud seating bowl, but tiny score board and outdated facade. Jaguars stadium is always at the bottom in stadium rankings but a pro football stadium located in an obscure location on gigantic slab of concrete is rated higher.
I'm really against taxpayers having to pay for luxury suits which they will never be able to enjoy. If you're spending taxpayer money, it should be for aspects of the stadium taxpayers can access. Let the luxury suit holders foot their own bills to make their areas nice. They can afford it.
Agree 100% even beyond that Hunt is worth over 4 billion pay for it in his own.
A taxpayer can access the luxury suites if they pay for them, just like how a taxpayer can access the stadium if they pay for a ticket. Stadiums aren't open to the public at large like a park is, so zero tax money should be spent on them.
If Lamar hunt can’t afford the renovations or new stadiums funds himself, then he needs to sell the team to Jeff Bezos because he’s a billionaire.
@@draveed Yeah what normal person can afford a suite for 250,000 a game get real. They are for the 1% and the Taylor Swifts of the world. It is beyond absurd taxpayers should pay for any of it.
@@Mrcharles.Lamar Hunt has been dead for 18 years, and Jeff Bezos is an egg head geek who has zero interest in sports whatsoever. Lol
Don’t kid yourself. Renovations are not about making stadiums “better”. The ONLY thing that matters in a renovation is making changes that increase non-shared revenue in accordance with the NFL revenue sharing agreement; this means club seats, luxury suites, concession revenue, in stadium advertising and parking. Everything else that comes along with a renovation is just fluff.
Love your content man! Keep up the great work!
i think it would be sad if Arrowhead was torn down it's one of the Iconic Stadiums in the NFL over 50 Years of History
Exactly. Why mess with one of the best atmospheres in the NFL. What is next? Tear down Lambeau Field. This stadium nonsense is ridiculous.
It's the Lambeau Field of the AFC
Arrowhead stadium is such an iconic venue and it would be a disgraceful move on Clark’s end if he moved the chiefs to a domed facility in Kansas City Kansas.
Come on they can’t tear down Arrowhead stadium…… the 12th man lives @ Arrowhead
Even though I am a Denver fan it will be sad to see a old historic stadium go if it does.
We need the 2000s Rage XFL team to become the “Kansas City Rage” for the United Football League
This stadium opened in 1972 and the last renovation they had was over 10 years ago I think they either need to have a massive renovation inside with some improvements made to the exterior or just get a new stadium like the Bills whose Old Highmark stadium was built a year later in 1973
If they renovate it or build a new one, it will just be to create more luxury suites that price out the average NFL fan. All of this stadium drama you see across the country is just so the rich owners of these teams can get richer. This isn't me being anti-capitalist. It is just me saying that pro sports stadiums should be for the working class fans who are the main people that devotedly support these teams. Arrowhead has one of the best atmospheres in the NFL, if not the best. Why mess around with that.
The Chiefs will move to the KCK side. Any renovations that don't include enclosing Arrowhead, would be for nothing. And the cost of enclosing and repurposing the area that used to be Royals Stadium, would cost more than the new stadium. The people of Jackson county will not support any tax increase that would have to pull in the money to pay for that, either.
Only a new facility would garner the events that Arrowhead would not be able to attract. Also there are more things to draw people to the area where the new stadium would be built. Each area would compliment each other. Where Arrowhead is now, only games or concerts bring people to the area.
Kansas has the ball in their court, and only Kansas will determine the future of where the chiefs will play in the future.
No one is in the mood to vote in new taxes
KCK just voted down a school tax increase
Now, think KCK wants to subsidize millionaires to make more money? Good luck with that
I prefer to stay at arrowhead, nothing better than gameday there and don't want a roof. Having that extra homefield advantage with the weather in January is good and plus renovations wouldn't begin untill after the 2026 world cup.
People just hate billionaire owners for being successful. Don't let your woke, cancel culture, class warfare destroy sports!
Pay for the stadium and hope for the "trickle down"
This guy gets it. Entertainment costs money and stadiums are important civic structures. It makes perfect sense that public funds would be used to build them just as public funds are used for schools, theaters, museums, zoos, etc.
Then there's the know-it-alls who love to quote economic studies that have nothing to do with the average person who isn't looking to capitalize on the new stadium by opening a business near it. The only "economic analysis" needed is asking yourself if your willing to keep paying a few bucks a month to have pro sports and world class venues in your city. If your answer is no, why are you living in a city when you could simply move to a small town where nothing ever happens and be left alone?
Also, random people on the Internet don't care about the city you live in, don't let cranky buzz kills tell you what's best for your city.
John fisher
It not about hate, they have enough money to build these things on their own dime.
He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want.
I remember years ago word was they wanted to build a roof that could switch to both stadiums by some kinda pulley system
The minute they answered what the money was going to be used for, thats when things went south and the proposal was rejected. The public doesn't want to fund a renovation for some rich person to have to have a better game experience and to hold ygeir cocktail parties. The stadium is legendary, no doubt about it, but the area around it seems empty of venues, hotels, or greenery.
When are the World Cup renovations coming?? Remove seats or go with the adjustable seats to get more room?
If the citizens of Jackson County reject the next tax paying funding bill. They will lose both Chiefs and Royals for good. The nfl and mlb will give them the Oakland treatment
This is true and people in KC need to get this through their heads. All the know it alls and amateur economists are gonna be pissed when they realize they had a chance to keep both teams in KC but talked themselves into voting no for one stupid reason or another.
Where are they going to go Nebraska ? And no one better say LA. Hunt is worth over 4 billion they can build it on their own dame dime.
@@scotttild just because someone is worth 4 billion doesn't mean they have 4 billion in cash. Why use my money when I can use yours 😉. Clock is ticking on Kansas city sports. Pay up....or else
@@josephhanes6402 bingo. I know so many ppl who livelihood depends on sports and tourism dollars
The reason I didn't go vote(I BIG FAN went to Chiefs games at old Municipal Stadium...) is because of all the talk of putting stadium Down Town! Bad Idea!!! ever try to get home from a concert downtown???🚖😱
i'L ABSOLUTELEY go vote to keep the Chiefs in town
This dude is obsessed with grass and greenery
And Translucent Rooves
@@spg5658 Yup
DG is obviously obsessed with domed stadiums. Don’t know why.
I don't live locally but have been to Kaufman multiple times. I think the downtown park is great followed by the Arrowhead rebuild. I think it works for that market. Improving Arrowhead would be a waste of money. I understand the ownership has to decide what is profitable but so does the city in a place that can not spend massively every year. The Royals are finally back to competing again. It takes a while in KC but it works better than many teams in big markets.
Could we see the Royals move in to where the SKC mls team plays meaning a renovation to turn it into a baseball/soccer stadium while arrowhead gets renovated?
No , stop
I'm skeptical that the State of Kansas has the money, and if they do, anything gets approved. I also don't think the state of Missouri would allow it.
Kansas has a huge pot of money from sports betting specifically set aside for sports
Johnson County, Kansas is one of the wealthiest counties in the country with a huge tax base. Plus, the area where the new stadium is being proposed, is already a well established entertainment district. The cities between Lawrence and KCK, in Wyandotte and Douglas Counties, are rapidly expanding as well.
They would be moving 15 miles west down I-70. It's not like they would be moving out to Dodge City. Lol! The fan base would still be exactly the same.
If arrowhead stadium is "grandfathered" in as an all-time great stadium. How could it potentially be abandoned?. Grandfathered in means it couldn't be abandoned at any point in time.
As as chiefs fan who lives in Kansas City. Clark Hunt seems to care a lot about his father legacy and Arrowhead is apart of that legacy the last thing he wants to do is leave. He will try to stay at all cost expect for paying it all of course. The city of Kansas City, MO did say they are in talks with the teams and could bypass voters for funding and the state of Missouri wouldn't want to lose the Chiefs to Kansas of all places.
Relocate either to Sac and we will take care of these KC teams 💯
The repeated speculations about the Chiefs "gaining space" if the Royals leave Kauffman are pure nonsense. Each stadium operates in its own bubble. Either facility could complete exterior expansions without impinging on the other's space. Neither would have to move. If either teamed wished to brings its stadium exterior up to Ginger's imagined standard, it could do so by reconfiguring roads and parking lots within the Truman Sports Complex. Furthermore,, there is no such thing as "baseball parking lots." The parking lots serve the Truman Sports Complex, not individual stadiums. On baseball days, the cars of baseball-goers fill those spaces. On football days, the cars (and grills) of football-goers fill those spaces. The parking capacity serves the capacity of a full Arrowhead alone. (The most remote lots are never open for baseball games. Not needed.) The lots cannot support simultaneous use of both stadiums if Arrowhead is more than half-filled. If the baseball stadium disappears, the Chiefs will gain no lots as the parking infrastructure would be exactly the same. The Chiefs' renovation renderings repurposed only the space taken up by the baseball stadium structure itself. (And I fully concur that those renderings underwhelmed.) Rather than simply increase parking capacity, it seems the Chiefs sought to create something "fun" in that space. (To reiterate: lackluster!)
The footprint of a removed Kaufman could be used for more parking or something slse
Keep the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. No more building newer venues. With a rising costs of inflation no one not even the taxpayers can afford to foot the bill
I thought the "arrowhead" stadium name changed to GEHA field?.
*GEHA Field* _at_ *Arrowhead Stadium*
GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium
Hunt is worth over 4 billion he wants a new building he can pay for it. Enough with asking taxpayers. Moving is a total bluff, now that Vegas is gone for being used there are very few places you could put a team or move to without infringing on another teams area. Texas, Florida are out, Canada is out for other reasons so where is he moving to ? Nebraska ?
A roof over Arrowhead will cost over 3 billion
Retractable roof and then they can host the Super Bowl
KC is not a large city they don’t have enough of what the NFL wants a roof alone will not do it.
Football is a game that is meant to be played outdoors. I would pay more for a Super Bowl that includes the elements rather than being under a roof.
So basically they want 800M to build or renovate luxury boxes to make the ownership even richer. Sounds like they can substantially increase their profit for custom boxes and seats. Sounds like a money grab at the expense of the tax payers. I am sure PSL will also be a part of this. No wonder it did not pass. If they cared about the fans they would put a roof on the stadium considering the amount of fans that had frostbite at the Miami game. The stadium looks great. I consider Green Bay No1, here forever and Chiefs soon after.
After more than 50 years its time for a new stadium if Chiefs can't buld one then sell the team and move it
When will Lambeau Field get rid of bleachers and add a roof?
Neveruary
Not gunna happen anytime soon.
Yeah send the chiefs to St. Louis
This stadium is old, ugly and decrepit!… It needs a roof or in the very least, it needs a roof over the seats!… Looks very cheaply constructed!
Wreaking ball
Or new team takes over
It just seems like an opportunity for owners to line their own pockets with taxpayer money, only every dollar from taxes is translating into tens of thousands for owners. I really don't like the idea of football stadiums being paid for by taxpayers.
Ok well when teams leave cities, that sucks a lot too. This is America. Billionaires benefit from everything. Who cares if they get a little richer after the city makes an investment in itself by improving its stadiums? People act like these deals can't be mutually beneficial.
@@josephhanes6402where is he going and don’t say fu&$&$ LA either.
Austin, San Antonio, Oklahoma City. Anywhere that's willing to build them a stadium with public funds.@@scotttild
San Diego pitched three stadium ideas and they were all turned down. Finally the chargers decided to leave and move to LA
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It will be torn down just an old stadium with a bandwagon team.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because the team recently gained notoriety doesn't mean they haven't always had fans. Keep coping.
@josephhanes6402 bro I have only met chiefs fans after 2020 and I've been a nfl an since like 2016 they are definitely bandwagon.
@@widk2 since 2016... lmao
The Chiefs have sold out nearly every game since the 1990's and have one of the largest stadiums in the NFL. You just see it a lot more now because of the recent playoff success. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
lol yeah, it's probably news to some of these people that Clark Hunt can't just go down to the ATM and pull out 4 billy.
I've lived in KC basically my whole life. People are going to be upset if one or both of these teams leave and the city wouldn't be the same without them. People aren't going to care about all these nitpicky problems with the plans when the moving trucks show up at the stadiums.
Sitting in downtown traffic after a Royals game will start seeming not so bad after all. @sirchi8731
GEHA stadium is old, decrepit and very outdated. It's hard to watch a game there anymore.
ARROWHEAD Stadium BTW bucko and decrepit is not the right word but yes it's old and needs renovations.
Nobody calls it that. Even fans who hate the Chiefs.
Clearly you have not been to a chiefs game @David. You must be a cowboys fan.
GEHA _Stadium?!?_ 👈You've immediately outed yourself as a fraud
nice work 👌
@@oubrioko yeehaaa lets go to GEHA Stadium....yep, lets step back in time to the 60's when KC said they were up to date.