7:55 I build the MDX. The 2020-2022 models were built smack in the middle of The Virus Of Unknown Origins. Hence Honda had MAJOR supply chain issues. I would almost guarantee they had different suppliers for those parts, as they were doing the same with many of the other parts needed. We had MANY work days of being released early from our work shifts due to lack of parts. I wouldnt touch ANY car from any brand that was built between March 2020 and early/mid 2023. Too many issues with suppliers. Too many issues with factory staffing (I witnessed FAR too many temps being hired just to have bodies on the line working which led to lack of quality "just get it out the door").
What about the J37 in the 4th gen TL SH-AWD? There was only a TSB for the well known cam issues leading to oil consumption and eventually failure. This should be looked into, as well.
We leased a 20 MDX Tech not too long before the lockdowns began and given the craziness that ensued with car values soon after, traded it for a newly redesigned 22 MDX Tech a year later. We recently traded it for a 24 MDX Advance. Hopefully, this and my 21 TLX A-Spec FWD (which has been trouble free since purchased new) wont have any lingering issues. That said, I hope my 16 AV6 Touring stays solid; it's my daily driver and my favorite of the three cars.
6 years ago my family drove up to our local Acura dealership in our old MDX only to be snobbed and ignored by the salespeople. The next day we went to the Toyota dealership and bought a brand new 4runner. I can't thank them enough for being so stuck up.
Sounds like my exact visit, but for me it was two Honda dealerships. Was trying to get a Ridgeline (this was in 2008). They would not budge on the price, would not do anything about all the foolish add-ons by the dealer, and absolutely would not give anywhere close to the price of my trade-in. I drove to Toyota down the road and got a good deal on a Tundra Limited 4wd exactly how I would have ordered it, got a great deal on my F150 trade-in. Since that experience I have purchased three Toyotas from this same dealership, used 2008 Yaris, 2014 FJ and 2023 4Runner.
I was in for a truck. I saw a 2021 Nissan Titan that had 50k kms at a Honda dealership. They wanted $50k CAD and would not budge on the price. I went to the Nissan dealer and bought a brand new 2023 Nissan Frontier Pro 4x with 6 years warranty and $48k out the door
@@n808sgarage I wanted to hold out for 2024 as I had the last year of the FJ in 2014 but at the time it wasn't known if the new model would be 2024, so I didn't want to chance it and got the 2023
Both Honda & Toyota rob buyers. Dealer installed options never get installed. Most Toyota owners paid for upgraded wheels and infotainment systems that were never installed.
I bought a carbureted Toyota Tercel with 40,000 miles 19 years ago for $500. It was in great shape. Move forward Today it has 430,000 miles and still going strong. Tires are like $200/set. oil change is like $9. Insurance is $30 and it doesnt need any maintenance at all. If a part breaks down I can buy parts from the junk yard for like $10 and sometime they just give it to me for free. The most expensive repair I did was $1000 repaint job 10 years ago. I keep it neat and clean and it serves me to this day and has allowed me to save money to buy a house cash.
This is why most people are just buying 10-15 year old beaters and keeping them. There aren't really any reliable brands left anymore. And prices only keep going up.
@@shooter-vx7xy i had a 2006 camry V6 with 60K miles on it in mint condition and i traded it in for a new car. that was last year and i really regret it. plus they gave me half the value of the car, what a mistake i made
Doesn’t work like that in the salt belt ,the vehicles do not last past 12-15 years .They rust out and have issues due to rust,rotted subframes, rotted cooler lines on transmissions,brake lines power steering lines ,anything piped ,then there’s the failed evap portion of emissions testing due to rusty fuel tanks filler necks,etc.
@@Frank-nh9fe BUT BUT BUT your 'next' vehicle will be exorbitantly more expensive in order to 'cover' for all those past 'assumptive' MISTAKES. and monetary LOSSES
I've got a video coming out on it tomorrow :). This one is very odd too...and I think it will affect more than Diesels. There are huge discrepancies in their NHTSA report that don't make any sense. They claim the 3.0L duramax only is affected (smaller duramax), but then they also included the 2500/3500...makes no sense because they use different transmissions. 1500 uses 10L80, the 2500+ uses Allison 10 speed...
My 2005 Pilot was born in Ontario, Canada. Fit and finish is excellent as well as my 2023 Passport which is built in Alabama at a non-UAW plant. Employees can be fired at non-union plants. My 1985 Toyota truck ate 2.5 qts of oil every 3K. Toyota said within specs.
G.D.I., low tension piston rings, variable cylinder management, and extended oil change intervals are probably contributing to this problem. The oil is getting diluted with gasoline.
It was told to me, as we are pushing to 0 weight oils, just to meet government requirements for higher mpg, they really don’t protect the engine anymore
A thinner oil shoukd flow to the bearings better.. but you have a point,, most dealers recommend an oil additive/ booster now to improve the thin oil..
I once had a 2005 honda Civic. The only problems it gave was the wheel bearings at around 90k miles. Misfire at 115k miles. Sold it when it had 170k miles in 2013. Never changed the timing belt for the time I had it. That tiny engine was a champ.
I am happy with a 2013 Ridgeline I bought used, it has 244K with regular maintenance done and still sounds new and uses zero oil in between oil changes. In addition the original transmission shifts like new in fact with the exception of the radio not working properly which is a known issue it’s an amazing vehicle.
Just make sure you change the timing belt every 100k or 7 years, and get the valve last checked and adjusted around the same interval. 5k oil changesx, transmission drain and fill every 20-30k miles.
@@brassmule yes for sure, I do my own maintenance and the carfax on that vehicle is extensive. Timing belt changed @ 118,000 transmission drained and filled @ 204,000 so I have a little time on that. i've maintained a pentastar V6 to 195,000 as my daily driver so I've been down the road of high mileage cars. I'm so impressed at the ride quality of the pilot with original suspension it blows me away
@@brassmuleI have a 2014 MDX Elite with the Honda 3.5 V6. It’s running nicely at 140,000 miles. I had the timing belt replaced and valves checked at 90,000 miles. I change engine oil at 6000 miles (maintenance minder shows 40% oil life remaining), transfer case, rear differential, transmission fluid and coolant all changed regularly. It’s the most reliable, efficient, versatile, comfortable vehicle I’ve ever owned. I think I’ll keep it😉. ❤😁.
Not likely running 0W20 oil is probably most likely why the engines are failing. Manufacturers all about saving fuel. After it’s out of warranty, not their problem anymore. Manufacturers get penalized for poor fuel economy, and they have to pay the government. So if they can get better fuel mileage they pay less to the government at the expense that you’re gonna have a crappy vehicle down the road with a spun rod bearing. If you want to save your engine, use 5W30 minimum. I myself use 5W40 because I tow a lot.
I switched to Toyota...2025 Camry. Proven hybrid reliability. Had two Accords and a Ridgeline. Good vehicles but time to move on. It's not about the refined, premium drive anymore for me. Comfort and reliability is what I want now. This new Camry is so quiet, efficient, soft suspension with its 16" wheels, has instant torque at any speed with no delay. They are gonna set sales records with the 2025 Camry. It's that good. Game changer.
Thank you for your excellent video!! My 2016 Pilot Engine failed at 73000miles whilst on a family vacation in Maine. Total nightmare. Engine replaced. Purchased this Pilot used and bought an additional Warranty- good thing!! The dealership replaced my engine with a used engine from LKQ. I wonder if my VIN will be part of the recall and more importantly will they replace my engine with an overhauled « new » engine now that mine is not original? 🧐
Had an '04 Pilot and that vehicle was just top notch dependable; currently own a '15 Accord with the V6 and so far it has been perfect.....knock on wood!!
I saw the video you did on this topic last year. 3 days later I traded in my 2017 MDX for a 23 4Runner and couldn’t be more happy. Thanks for the info.
I bought a 2019 ridgeline and first oil change myself. Opened the oil filter and there was a lot of big particles in oil filter. Should have kept but didn't.
I bought a 2016 Honda Accord Coupe 3.5 V6 manual and I am shocked at build quality of this car. I thought I got it at a good deal at first but now problems are popping up like Exhaust problem codes, a slave cylinder failing quickly, head liner dropping, engine ticking loud on start up in the cold weather . All this at 77K miles. I doubt a modern day Dodge Challenger would be doing things like this already. Today's Hondas are NOT like the ones of the pre early 2000's.
It's not just a connecting rod issue- main crank bearings are failing as well. Our '19 Passport developed a knocking sound at around 55,000 miles. It ended up being a main crank bearing failure and was repaired under warranty. The service manager stated that Honda is well aware of this issue, but won't acknowledge it publicly... too busy addressing the connecting rod debacle.
@@TheCarGuyOnline Yep I have a master tech friend with Acura who has been sending me pics of main bearings in vehicles he is doing recall work on for the rod bearings and the mains were also toast. RIP to the people who are only getting their rod bearings replaced and nothing else.
Has Honda revealed WHY the bearings are failing? Was there a change in the material specification? Different oil? I mean, crankshaft and rod bearings have been used pretty much since the first IC engine -- why are they failing now?
I did not read through every single document, however they were investigating vehicles that didn't fail, and those that did. They are performing metal analysis testing, likely clearance testing and all sorts of other possibilities. Toyota did something similar with the latest Tundra recall, however it seems the public doesn't get all of the details in these reports. I will admit, I did not have time to read through all 50+ documents related to this recall/investigation, there might be some more juicy nuggets in the documents that I did not discover.
@@TheCarGuyOnline Thanks for the reply. As a retired auto guy, I'm always interested in knowing the cause, because without (the manufacturer) knowing that, any response is just a short-term fix.
Definitely a great question, especially since the J32/J35 series of engines have been around for literal decades. It's a very mature engine design. My 2011 Odyssey has 175k (with the VCM delete done 50k miles ago), and my 2005 Acura TL has 160k miles. It's weird to see this sort of manufacturing/design failure on a well established engine.
It's like the toyota tacoma with the thin and cut out frame. Everyone is cutting corners on the metal in the parts that we have been using for 100 years
I remember when *Hyundai/Kia* had engine problems and everyone was laughing. Then *Toyota* started going through it and some people wanted to dismiss that. Now Honda is saying “Honda my beer y’all”😂 No manufacturer is immune to mistakes. Most get their parts from the same suppliers especially transmissions or share most parts across brands. Don’t overpay due to brand loyalty and get the same product. Toyota has gotten away with overpricing their vehicles due to that false assumption of long term reliability which is clearly not the case anymore.
@@JohnLee-tb3nhYeah that would never happen. Kia and Hyundais brand new models burn even more oil. And their EVs have huge electrical issues. I work in selling parts. I see tons of new korean cars after 2022 with even worse problems than before.
Your final comments are both so true and so disappointing. Once you lose trust in Toyota and Honda, it hard to think about buying anyone’s $70,000 vehicle.
Toyota/Lexus still makes the most reliable vehicles. Toyota only had serious issues with 2 out of 14 vehicles. Those issues no longer exist in newly manufactured vehicles.
Toyota sees all the durability issues with turbo engines. Goes that route. Everyone sees detonation and service issues with direct injection. Still does it. Honda puts low tension rings on the 1.5L turbo. Starts getting fuel in the oil. Changes the warranty terms instead of fixing the issue.
Yup, so when I got 21 Ridgeline, just after ‘Breakin’ I added the deactivation module and haven’t use the cylinder shut down system at all. But the dealer caught me with the module installed and stated that my warranty will be invalid if called upon…….. But I still use it to this day and will take my chances, thank you very much. Now have just over 67 k km on it and all ‘seems’ ok with it ….. so far anyways.
I have a 2017 Acura RDX with a 3.5 liter V6 engine. I haven’t seen it included in the recall. Does anyone have any information on the status of this model?
I've been looking at Pathfinders for the wife/kid hauler, need to do a review of them even though they haven't changed the design much. Nissan catches a lot of flak because of the CVTs, but the traditional transmission equiped models like the TItan/Frontier/Pathfinder have been pretty good through the years. I was a huge Nissan fan growing up, owned Zs as a kid and some other Nissans, had great luck with them.
My 2019 Ridgeline was recalled in February, for faulty fuel pump. As of today, they still do not have the parts to repair my truck. I called Honda corporate, and they don't know when the parts will be available. I also mentioned about the reported engine issues, and the representative denied the engine problems.
The government needs to step in and start requiring auto makers to maintain a reasonable inventory of spare parts. It’s getting ridiculous with months of waiting while they continue to churn out new models.
Just found your channel...great stuff! Liked and subscribed. You nailed it when you said this is a bummer...Toyota: thumbs down? Honda: thumbs down? Really sucks because we are in the process of (maybe) replacing our 2014 Honda CR-V EX. Has the intermittent VTC noise on start-up. Made noise for years, originally thought it was acorns in the heater fan. Now wondering if we just watch oil levels and hang on for now, instead of buying a new Honda or Toyota...dang! I'm seriously unimpressed by the way Honda seems to be skirting all these issues. My impression is Toyota got out in front and acknowledged issues (with a fix) sooner. Although Honda issued a service bulletin on the VTC noise, I don't think they updated the part for years (?).
I have a 2020 Acura RDX bought new from dealer. Similar problem, although this is a 4 cylinder turbo engine. At 60k miles it had engine tick/knock noise and took it to dealer. It had to have the short block replaced (thankfully under factory warranty) due to it spinning a bearing on the crank.
My 2017 Acura MDX just had this issue, Acura Helpdesk told me my car vin is not part of the recall. Car is currently at the dealership, they are supposedly contacting Acura warranty to see what they can do. All my services were done at the dealership with recommended service and recommended oil changes. I would not buy these cars, my daughter was suppose to take the car to college, maybe a blessing in disguise. Looks like this issue is more widespread than the original 250k recalls, and they are not admitting to it.
Yes it's pretty sad for those folks. I see several of those in the complaints and in forums, my guess is these complaints triggered the NHTSA investigation because they were not covered by Honda. Some folks will just take the dealers word for it (out of pocket repairs), and not reach out to Honda customer service where they likely could have done better....but people should not have to go past the dealer to get resolution on items like this either.
I just had engine failure on my way to work in my Kia Sportage 2016 model. I changed oil every 5k miles. It started using 1qt every 1k miles then bam the engine blew. I had it payed off and was forced to get another car payment I cannot afford. We need to change laws in the federal govt so these places dont have to make GDI engines and can go back to port injection! We need laws to ban GDI and turbo engines now!
My 2017 was recalled late last year. I went to the Acura dealer and they took off the top of the motor and took pictures and sent into Acura. They ended up rebuilding the whole motor and it took a week, but they gave me a brand new MDX for a week. So I am not mad because I got it paid for by Acura.
We have a 2016 crv that has been knocking since about 70k klm with regular oil changes , usually we do the oil change sooner then what it tell us to. Something Isn’t right
I miss my 2010 Accord with the durable K24. If some lady hadn't rear ended my car I'd still be driving it today. Had over 100K miles and not a single issue.
Had 2020 honda van, did not like the 16000km oil change but followed it. Sold it, bought a 2024 4 runner. I pity the person that bought that van. I have done 3 oil changes in 16 000 km on 4 runner... going back to 5000 km oil change. Dont care what manufacturer says.
I get really shocked seeing how frequently people are doing these oil changes today. Done mine every 5k miles too. Anything less is just more time wasted and especially if you’re still having car issues. But hey, heres a toast for joining the 4runner club. 4runs and for no worries.😎
To correct your commentary about Honda and Toyota from the 90s/00s. Their V6 and Auto transmission combo were ALWAYS problematic. I have been around these older Hondas and Toyotas V6/Automatic combos to have worked on quite a few. Nissan was known to make the BEST V6 in the market during that era. Even their autos were better. Unfortunately the CVT killed any hopes of Nissan being what it used to be in the 90s. These Toyota and Honda cars were the extreme upper trims and only few sold, and often would need a new transmission by the time they hit 100K. There were issues with oil systems etc. The true good cars were the basic cars with I4, manual or even auto. Those were the ones that gave the reliability name to Honda and Toyota.
Very true, I guess I mostly drove 5 speed manuals back in those days with Honda. My daughter is still driving a 2005 accord manual....over 200k and runs great. Nissan was one of my favorites growing up, had just about every Z made...such a great engine manufacturer back then. The truck platforms are still good I agree, just stay away from the CVTs.
Nissan, 30-40 years ago, it was good, but they suffered from significant rust , even the most recent ones retain this defect, that said I had 3, and never again this brand.
@@calvinkang1224 that anemic and archaic 4.0 V6 will last 300 years, same with the five speed auto. It’s slow, it drives like crap, consumes too much gas. I recommended all the time for those who want a long lasting car.
I had oil starvation on my 2012 subaru forester. Subaru did not ask questions they just fixed it. Toyota gave me all sorts of problems when I had a similar issue with the older Scion TC with the crappy oil rings. I've bought 4 subarus in my life and never had an issue, and when I did it got fixed immediately
There seems to be a lot of anti-Subaru, especially from the Toyota fanboys that want to continue to relive head gasket and oil burning issues. We have two Subarus yes we’ve had a couple issues here and there, however I’ll trust that brand over Toyota and Honda any day. I look at it like this if main street media or culture such as RUclips keeps bashing Subaru that just means that they’re much better and there is just a subjective thought process or they’re listening to stupid RUclips videos with people yelling and throwing their arms in the air, I hear from Scotty k, I wouldn’t get any other brand right now other than Subaru. Quality reliability and safety, not to mention that they make the best all wheel drive for the money
I’ve owned a 1998 Impreza auto estate with the 2 litre boxer, as well as a 2007 Outback with the 2.5. Both had engine problems, they were nowhere near as enjoyable as the 3.0 six-cylinder boxer is. I owned a super-reliable 1993 Honda saloon with a 2.0, but most of my cars were German premium, mainly large Mercedes, like E-Class estates. Buy the largest engine you can get, in-line six cylinder engines or large four cylinder engines are the most reliable in my experience. I wouldn’t touch anything made in the last fifteen years or so.
I currently have 3 Toyotas and 1 2014 Forester. The Forester is the newest but oil disappears all the time. The oil level is good on my 3 Toyotas. Unfortunately all my warranties have expired and my Subaru service tech close friend retired. My old Subaru Tech told me to buy Toyotas.
@ that is a problem, but not as common as RUclipsrs make it out to be, also problem with the Hondas and Toyotas, we’ve had problems with Toyota’s went to Subaru and thankfully much better car, but everybody has their brand they like, happy trails with whatever you drive
Hooray I made the list! I did get a recall fix on the connecting rod. So they did take care of it… but is there more I need to know now? I have the Certfied warranty on it
I would assume you are "ok" after the fix. One can only hope that after the initial recall (you were on it), they had discovered the reason/bearing material or clearance issue, and the newer engines had resolution to that. Did they give you a new engine, or a rebuild?
@@TheCarGuyOnline They sent all images to Acura and it was deemed not to need replacing engine , only replacing the rod which they said didn't have any premature wear but was replaced as per recall.
I have 2019 honda pilot 135,820 Km no issues yet about crankshaft and rod bearing. Honda dealer just replaced spark plugs and transfercase for free good thing I have extended warranty.
I had a 2009 Odyssey that burned a quart of oil every few hundred miles. I chalked that up to the VCM issues. I have a 2010 RAV4 V6 with 200,000 miles. That thing has been rock solid. I definitely have the urge to get something newer, but it hasn’t given me any reason to get rid of it.
My theory with some of these failures is people drive cars like they are racing in nascar daily and poor Maintenance . People are fools thinking they should change oil every 10,000+ and air filters never ..Then“ Hot Rod” it every day. Manufactures need to change oil intervals to 5000 and remove all turbos . But Just look around you when driving today people abuse the heck out of their cars.
Driving a car hard once in a while might actually be good for it, especially the low tension piston rings that like to get stuck. But yea, I blame government CAFE/EPA requirements, engineer's are not working for reliability anymore, but for fuel savings. Low tension rings, 0w8 oils, plastic everything, DCT, CVT, 10 speed transmissions, GDI, cylinder deactivation, auto start/stop, DEF, 10k oil changes...I could go on.
@@dsmith5822hybrids satisfy the EPA regulations but if the engineers simply can’t engineer ICE engines to be meet the guidelines they need to be open about it and lose the MPG improvements. Seems like you can’t have both
Speed limit on the freeway is 70 MPH. When I got home after a short roadtrip the oil light went on. Going 80 mph for an hour and a bottle of oil disappeared. I also see a lot of people idling their car all the time. They just sit there for hours I wonder if they live in their car or waiting for something.
Early 2024 I picked up a 2014 FJ Cruiser from the original owner. It was either that or put the money down on a new car/suv/truck, I think that I made the right decision. It was on a recall for the fuel pump but the orig owner had Toyota replace it (at no cost) two years ago. He gave me a stack of receipts for all of the maintenance that was done at the dealership he purchased it from.
You might be in the clear with 88k,, it's so hard to tell with main/rod bearings. At least you got 88k out of it so far and a chance for a recall anyway. BMW used to have these issues too, you just never knew when or which vehicle would have the problem.
This really sucks, since J-Series V6s were always reliable. Honda transmissions do need regular fluid maintenance, though, even if they tell you otherwise. Drain and fill those things every 20-30k miles *at minimum.* I do mine every 2 to 3 oil changes - 10k-to 15k. Even the trans on my Gen3 TL is still running strong at 160k.
Most ppl follow the manufacturer/dealer's advice and change trans fluid which I don't for V6 if it is 30 or 60K, I change every 30K. So if you follow the dealer's advice you get to spend $8000 for a new or rebuilt transmission.
I was shocked to see this video !!! The reason I went with the Ridgeline was the buttery smooth N/A V6, I’m leasing this 2023 Honda Ridgeline with that V6, looks like I’ll be turning it in at lease end PHEW !!!!!! 😢
@@GPS2040I hope your correct because I really like my Ridgeline. I don’t even get the free oil changes from Honda because they won’t change it until your down to 15%, for me that’s 8 months so I just pay out of pocket and get it done sooner, hopefully that helps
@ I strongly recommend you to do extra oil changes to your Pilot if you care about long term reliability. Every 3k is the optimal. Find and watch some videos and you’ll know why 3k oil change is essential for engine reliability even for well designed and engineered engines from Honda and Toyota
This whole thing is just growing pains on the way to hybrid and electric-only vehicles. Problems like this are bound to happen because all the love is being diverted away from the ICE only cars. It's plain to see. Manufacturers don't want these expensive recalls but they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are being forced to go hybrid and electric. Customers are just now starting to realize that Hybrids are now the more reliable choice. Try the 2025 Toyota Camry hybrid. It's shocking how good it is. And RELIABLE. Instant torque at any time, 51 average MPG. Near silent in the cabin at times. A nice engine note if you gas 'er. You barely feel the engine kicking off and on. I will never buy another ICE only vehicle. Light dawned on marble head. No more unreliable transmissions. The E-CVT in the CAMRY has a planetary gear set, and is way more simple than a standard transmission. Drive one and see for yourself how good it is.
Honda and Toyota reputation of reliability has gone down so much and price gone up, that now im considering Mazda as my go to affordable reliable brand.
@@donwyoming1936 Oh indeed it was... and it still is. Recalls are nothing new, this particular one involves something like 1% of engines affected. But if you just think everybody else was wrong and you know better, well okay...
I own a 2016 Honda Pilot and I've had a few recalls already: push start button, hood reinforcement plate, transmission software update, fuel injectors replacement. But the thing is, this problems are spread out among 2017, 2018 and 2019 too, it's not only the 2016. It seems half of the 3rd gen Honda Pilot is cursed with issues.
I have a 2007 Odyssey and it's running fine. Only thing besides the standard maintenance I've had to do is replace the A/C which was around 120K. Needs a paint job though. I was thinking about a new hybrid CRV but all these recalls has me wondering.
I just had this happen to my 2017 Honda Pilot at 80k On October 20, 2024. I reported it to NHTSA and Honda refused to repair it!! Stating it’s outside of the recall!! They wanted to make me pay part of it and would not give me a quote for it.
I have a 2007 accord v6. 241k miles. To about 150k miles I never looked at a thing. Didn’t know about cars. Now I’m a mobile mechanic. Long story. lol she’s in very very good hands. No matter what happens in fixing her. Already practiced at the yard engine and tranny rebuild. Love my car. I’ve had her since 2010.
Damn. You really have to be careful when you are looking for a reliable used vehicle. Another few models in my list to NOT even look at. Thanks for the video.
I have two Hondas. 2014 Accord V6 with manual transmission (J35Y2) and a 2012 CRV with the K24. Both have been great. Hopefully this doesn't grow to include my Accord.
Man our early 2016 had 120k mile before we traded it in. Now we have a 2023. That new engine got rid of vtec though. My 2021 ranger just got a new engine for a bad rod bearing under warranty, 50k miles. Foreman said he never saw that before. GM has a lot of engine issues with the 6.2L too. Toyota too, sheesh what's wrong with the auto industry
Yeah it's very tough to thread the needle and find extremely reliable powertrains anymore. The fact that these Honda engines having issues are naturally aspirated doesn't help the turbo vs. NA argument either. It's partly why I still drive a 2008 Toyota :).
@@TheCarGuyOnline yeah, the complaints of the 2021 Ranger being "outdated when new" weren't a concern to me because the platform was tried and true. Had all the tech I could want. Figured same trans as f150 being great 😃 ended up being the main issue the truck faces. My engine going out is apparently super rare. Not even other people in the forums with that issue. Trans though, different story but I had no issues there. Just hope out 2023 Pilot doesn't have an engine issue.
I've got a 2016 V6 Accord. No info on whether those engines explode. I don't know why those would be different than all the other V6 engines from that year. I wish they'd explain why the Accord isn't part of the recall.
I had a 2009 Honda Accord EX and it was beautiful. The engine within the first year of buying it new stalled on me. The mechanic said it barely had any oil and he continued to run oil consumption tests. Open case with Honda for a long time but they didn’t want to help. Unloaded it within the first three years.
I have a 2014 Scion FRS. When I found out about the silicone issues; I went to a shop that pumps hot boiling diesel thru the entire engine (about $60.00). After pumping the diesel I noticed the machine filters the fluids and there was silicone in it. I do this one a year to keep the engine clean from sludge.
Wow, I didn’t expect that from Honda. We still have a 2006 Honda Pilot with 244K miles. It’s got a J35Z1 V6 engine. Not a single issue with it other than maintenance.
My sister has a 2016 Honda Pilot EX-L and her transmission went out around 45K and she is also having engine knocking. She paid $8,000 for a new transmission. I am texting her now and I hope she at least gets a new engine. Screw Honda and Toyota now. No manufacturer is good anymore.
Toyota/Lexus still makes the most reliable vehicles. Toyota only had serious issues with 2 out of 14 vehicles. Those issues no longer exist in newly manufactured vehicles.
I have a 2016 Pilot which I bought new and in Aug. 2024 I took to Honda for state inspection. I was told there was a recall which I never received no notification from Honda about connecting rod problems. I never had any indication or problems with the engine except a slight hesitation when it is the economy mode. The engine has great power other than that. I do my own oil changes and found no signs of metal shaving or any of sort. The Honda dealership where I take it to told me they do not have the parts available. I called this week know November to see if they received the parts and they told me no. Still no notification!
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I build the MDX. The 2020-2022 models were built smack in the middle of The Virus Of Unknown Origins. Hence Honda had MAJOR supply chain issues. I would almost guarantee they had different suppliers for those parts, as they were doing the same with many of the other parts needed. We had MANY work days of being released early from our work shifts due to lack of parts.
I wouldnt touch ANY car from any brand that was built between March 2020 and early/mid 2023. Too many issues with suppliers. Too many issues with factory staffing (I witnessed FAR too many temps being hired just to have bodies on the line working which led to lack of quality "just get it out the door").
Well said. I've heard so many people echo the same thing lately.
And RIP Acura as it plans to go direct to EV, no hybrids. IDIOTS. I hope they have to replace every single V6 and go bankrupt.
What about the J37 in the 4th gen TL SH-AWD? There was only a TSB for the well known cam issues leading to oil consumption and eventually failure. This should be looked into, as well.
We leased a 20 MDX Tech not too long before the lockdowns began and given the craziness that ensued with car values soon after, traded it for a newly redesigned 22 MDX Tech a year later. We recently traded it for a 24 MDX Advance. Hopefully, this and my 21 TLX A-Spec FWD (which has been trouble free since purchased new) wont have any lingering issues. That said, I hope my 16 AV6 Touring stays solid; it's my daily driver and my favorite of the three cars.
My 23 Ridgeline was built in the Lincoln Alabama plant in April 23 .. and I safe ?
6 years ago my family drove up to our local Acura dealership in our old MDX only to be snobbed and ignored by the salespeople. The next day we went to the Toyota dealership and bought a brand new 4runner. I can't thank them enough for being so stuck up.
Sounds like my exact visit, but for me it was two Honda dealerships. Was trying to get a Ridgeline (this was in 2008). They would not budge on the price, would not do anything about all the foolish add-ons by the dealer, and absolutely would not give anywhere close to the price of my trade-in. I drove to Toyota down the road and got a good deal on a Tundra Limited 4wd exactly how I would have ordered it, got a great deal on my F150 trade-in. Since that experience I have purchased three Toyotas from this same dealership, used 2008 Yaris, 2014 FJ and 2023 4Runner.
I was in for a truck. I saw a 2021 Nissan Titan that had 50k kms at a Honda dealership. They wanted $50k CAD and would not budge on the price. I went to the Nissan dealer and bought a brand new 2023 Nissan Frontier Pro 4x with 6 years warranty and $48k out the door
@Sacapuntas69 lucky you got the 4runner when you did, the new ones are going to be junk. Never get rid of that fj or the runner
@@n808sgarage I wanted to hold out for 2024 as I had the last year of the FJ in 2014 but at the time it wasn't known if the new model would be 2024, so I didn't want to chance it and got the 2023
Both Honda & Toyota rob buyers. Dealer installed options never get installed. Most Toyota owners paid for upgraded wheels and infotainment systems that were never installed.
I bought a carbureted Toyota Tercel with 40,000 miles 19 years ago for $500. It was in great shape. Move forward Today it has 430,000 miles and still going strong. Tires are like $200/set. oil change is like $9. Insurance is $30 and it doesnt need any maintenance at all. If a part breaks down I can buy parts from the junk yard for like $10 and sometime they just give it to me for free. The most expensive repair I did was $1000 repaint job 10 years ago. I keep it neat and clean and it serves me to this day and has allowed me to save money to buy a house cash.
Rims are bigger nowadays and low profile tires so expensive
Yeah, I see all the girls that 20 yo Tercel will get you, perfect for a 35yo guy to go dating women
This is why most people are just buying 10-15 year old beaters and keeping them.
There aren't really any reliable brands left anymore. And prices only keep going up.
Yup, all the used cars are shooting up in price. There are some decent used models, non-turbo that I like..but most reliable cars are built pre-2020.
@@TheCarGuyOnline lol makes sense. These engine are pre 2020
@@shooter-vx7xy i had a 2006 camry V6 with 60K miles on it in mint condition and i traded it in for a new car. that was last year and i really regret it. plus they gave me half the value of the car, what a mistake i made
Doesn’t work like that in the salt belt ,the vehicles do not last past 12-15 years .They rust out and have issues due to rust,rotted subframes, rotted cooler lines on transmissions,brake lines power steering lines ,anything piped ,then there’s the failed evap portion of emissions testing due to rusty fuel tanks filler necks,etc.
@@JohnDiMartino I've been to the rust belt. Saw plenty of rusty beaters running around. I'd never live up there because of it.
Well at least they are admitting the truth instead of calling it "manufacturing debris".
Really? Japanese are notorious for hiding dangers that are embarrassing to them. Even when it means a nuclear plant meltdown!
I mean, they kind of have to when the federal govt gets involved
Time will tell... "truth" seems to have multiple meanings these days depending on who signs the checks.
On the positive side, you get a new engine…
@@Frank-nh9fe BUT BUT BUT your 'next' vehicle will be exorbitantly more expensive in order to 'cover' for all those past 'assumptive' MISTAKES. and monetary LOSSES
Today GM announced they are recalling 500,000 diesel pickup trucks for faulty transmission.
Those are Allisons too. I drove one in city traffic for 240K. It was perfect.
I've got a video coming out on it tomorrow :). This one is very odd too...and I think it will affect more than Diesels. There are huge discrepancies in their NHTSA report that don't make any sense. They claim the 3.0L duramax only is affected (smaller duramax), but then they also included the 2500/3500...makes no sense because they use different transmissions. 1500 uses 10L80, the 2500+ uses Allison 10 speed...
@@dane5896 not as bad as all the ford recalls this year
Another youtube site said that will be only a software update.
Japanese quality was good when it was built in Japan
My 2005 Pilot was born in Ontario, Canada. Fit and finish is excellent as well as my 2023 Passport which is built in Alabama at a non-UAW plant. Employees can be fired at non-union plants. My 1985 Toyota truck ate 2.5 qts of oil every 3K. Toyota said within specs.
I’m pretty sure the engines are built in Japan and shipped to the US!
They were good in the 90s. All Japanese brands have been going downhill since.
@@anotherannah, Honda peaked in 2000's Toyota peaked in 2010's
@@Drewcardello nsx, s2000 in the 90s. The 2000 civic was horrible compared to its predecessor. Toyota supra a80, Celica t200 was also 90s vehicles.
I had a 2019 Honda CRV. It came with an oil dilution problem. That was my first and last Honda.
You must have had one with the turbo engine and not the naturally aspirated one.
@billschomburg6853 Yeah. A piece of turbo junk.
I find it odd people don’t think to question why an engine made to fit a CRX would do well in a CRV.
G.D.I., low tension piston rings, variable cylinder management, and extended oil change intervals are probably contributing to this problem. The oil is getting diluted with gasoline.
You’re exactly right!
My 2023 Passport will always get 5K oil changes and 30K trans and diff fluid changes. My 2005 Pilot has 270K on it. Purrs and shifts like new.
@@davidanderson8469 Or every 6 months, whichever comes first.
These aren't GDI engines.
@@christopherroberts3047 Yes they are.
It was told to me, as we are pushing to 0 weight oils, just to meet government requirements for higher mpg, they really don’t protect the engine anymore
You were told wrong.
This might blow your mind, but the first number is how the oil performs in the cold. Its not the overall weight of the oil.
@@MisterTwister222 exactly
When cold u need fluidity to help lubricate. When hot u need oil to increase viscosity to protect
A thinner oil shoukd flow to the bearings better.. but you have a point,, most dealers recommend an oil additive/ booster now to improve the thin oil..
I once had a 2005 honda Civic. The only problems it gave was the wheel bearings at around 90k miles. Misfire at 115k miles. Sold it when it had 170k miles in 2013. Never changed the timing belt for the time I had it. That tiny engine was a champ.
I am happy with a 2013 Ridgeline I bought used, it has 244K with regular maintenance done and still sounds new and uses zero oil in between oil changes. In addition the original transmission shifts like new in fact with the exception of the radio not working properly which is a known issue it’s an amazing vehicle.
Just bought a 2005 Honda Pilot EX L with 210,000....drives like a dream for only 3500.
Just make sure you change the timing belt every 100k or 7 years, and get the valve last checked and adjusted around the same interval. 5k oil changesx, transmission drain and fill every 20-30k miles.
Congrats!
@@brassmule yes for sure, I do my own maintenance and the carfax on that vehicle is extensive. Timing belt changed @ 118,000 transmission drained and filled @ 204,000 so I have a little time on that. i've maintained a pentastar V6 to 195,000 as my daily driver so I've been down the road of high mileage cars. I'm so impressed at the ride quality of the pilot with original suspension it blows me away
Mine has 270K.
@@brassmuleI have a 2014 MDX Elite with the Honda 3.5 V6. It’s running nicely at 140,000 miles. I had the timing belt replaced and valves checked at 90,000 miles. I change engine oil at 6000 miles (maintenance minder shows 40% oil life remaining), transfer case, rear differential, transmission fluid and coolant all changed regularly. It’s the most reliable, efficient, versatile, comfortable vehicle I’ve ever owned. I think I’ll keep it😉. ❤😁.
These 3.5 Engine failures are most likely due the VCM in conjunction with the GDI design changes with the beginning of the 2016 model year.
Not likely running 0W20 oil is probably most likely why the engines are failing. Manufacturers all about saving fuel. After it’s out of warranty, not their problem anymore. Manufacturers get penalized for poor fuel economy, and they have to pay the government. So if they can get better fuel mileage they pay less to the government at the expense that you’re gonna have a crappy vehicle down the road with a spun rod bearing. If you want to save your engine, use 5W30 minimum. I myself use 5W40 because I tow a lot.
@@DCSPORTSTERhow soon should someone switch to 5W30? After 36K/ warranty ?
The cranks were not manufactured to spec. VCM and GDI wouldn’t have made a difference with this recall.
Honda recalled 23-25 Crvs for a cracked fuel pump. My 2017 pump cracked too so i reported it to the NHTSA.
I switched to Toyota...2025 Camry. Proven hybrid reliability. Had two Accords and a Ridgeline. Good vehicles but time to move on. It's not about the refined, premium drive anymore for me. Comfort and reliability is what I want now. This new Camry is so quiet, efficient, soft suspension with its 16" wheels, has instant torque at any speed with no delay. They are gonna set sales records with the 2025 Camry. It's that good. Game changer.
Thank you for your excellent video!!
My 2016 Pilot Engine failed at 73000miles whilst on a family vacation in Maine. Total nightmare. Engine replaced. Purchased this Pilot used and bought an additional Warranty- good thing!! The dealership replaced my engine with a used engine from LKQ.
I wonder if my VIN will be part of the recall and more importantly will they replace my engine with an overhauled « new » engine now that mine is not original? 🧐
@@VM-vmts if your engine is used and not rebuilt it might have the same issue
Had an '04 Pilot and that vehicle was just top notch dependable; currently own a '15 Accord with the V6 and so far it has been perfect.....knock on wood!!
Yeah I never had issues with Odysseys and pilots back in the 2000s...last pilot I had was a 2011 with no issues.
Same here. I have a '15 Accord 3.5 V6, about 120k and both engine and transmission have been excellent. Hope it stays that way for a long time.
I saw the video you did on this topic last year. 3 days later I traded in my 2017 MDX for a 23 4Runner and couldn’t be more happy. Thanks for the info.
I bought a 2019 ridgeline and first oil change myself. Opened the oil filter and there was a lot of big particles in oil filter. Should have kept but didn't.
What wasn’t kept?
@@falcorzed ikr lmao
I bought a 2016 Honda Accord Coupe 3.5 V6 manual and I am shocked at build quality of this car. I thought I got it at a good deal at first but now problems are popping up like Exhaust problem codes, a slave cylinder failing quickly, head liner dropping, engine ticking loud on start up in the cold weather . All this at 77K miles. I doubt a modern day Dodge Challenger would be doing things like this already. Today's Hondas are NOT like the ones of the pre early 2000's.
I have a 16 v6 Accord too. Engine ticks in cold weather on start up. That's about the only problem I've had though. 100k miles so far.
It's not just a connecting rod issue- main crank bearings are failing as well. Our '19 Passport developed a knocking sound at around 55,000 miles. It ended up being a main crank bearing failure and was repaired under warranty. The service manager stated that Honda is well aware of this issue, but won't acknowledge it publicly... too busy addressing the connecting rod debacle.
Yikes...
@@TheCarGuyOnline Yep I have a master tech friend with Acura who has been sending me pics of main bearings in vehicles he is doing recall work on for the rod bearings and the mains were also toast. RIP to the people who are only getting their rod bearings replaced and nothing else.
Hoooly moly
Has Honda revealed WHY the bearings are failing? Was there a change in the material specification? Different oil? I mean, crankshaft and rod bearings have been used pretty much since the first IC engine -- why are they failing now?
I did not read through every single document, however they were investigating vehicles that didn't fail, and those that did. They are performing metal analysis testing, likely clearance testing and all sorts of other possibilities. Toyota did something similar with the latest Tundra recall, however it seems the public doesn't get all of the details in these reports. I will admit, I did not have time to read through all 50+ documents related to this recall/investigation, there might be some more juicy nuggets in the documents that I did not discover.
@@TheCarGuyOnline Thanks for the reply. As a retired auto guy, I'm always interested in knowing the cause, because without (the manufacturer) knowing that, any response is just a short-term fix.
Definitely a great question, especially since the J32/J35 series of engines have been around for literal decades. It's a very mature engine design. My 2011 Odyssey has 175k (with the VCM delete done 50k miles ago), and my 2005 Acura TL has 160k miles. It's weird to see this sort of manufacturing/design failure on a well established engine.
It's like the toyota tacoma with the thin and cut out frame. Everyone is cutting corners on the metal in the parts that we have been using for 100 years
@@brassmulelikely owners neglecting maintenance. The actual failures is only 0.012%.
I remember when *Hyundai/Kia* had engine problems and everyone was laughing. Then *Toyota* started going through it and some people wanted to dismiss that. Now Honda is saying “Honda my beer y’all”😂 No manufacturer is immune to mistakes. Most get their parts from the same suppliers especially transmissions or share most parts across brands. Don’t overpay due to brand loyalty and get the same product. Toyota has gotten away with overpricing their vehicles due to that false assumption of long term reliability which is clearly not the case anymore.
H/K have millions of these with faulty designs and a lot more actual failures.
Hyundai-Kia-Genesis surpassed American Honda in sales. Hyundai-Kia will surpass Toyota+Lexus in few years to become #1 import automaker in USA!
Hyundai-Kia doubled USA sales in only 20 years!
@ they sell to bottom of the barrel customers with cheap parts and engines
@@JohnLee-tb3nhYeah that would never happen. Kia and Hyundais brand new models burn even more oil. And their EVs have huge electrical issues. I work in selling parts. I see tons of new korean cars after 2022 with even worse problems than before.
Your final comments are both so true and so disappointing. Once you lose trust in Toyota and Honda, it hard to think about buying anyone’s $70,000 vehicle.
Toyota/Lexus still makes the most reliable vehicles. Toyota only had serious issues with 2 out of 14 vehicles. Those issues no longer exist in newly manufactured vehicles.
Toyota sees all the durability issues with turbo engines. Goes that route. Everyone sees detonation and service issues with direct injection. Still does it. Honda puts low tension rings on the 1.5L turbo. Starts getting fuel in the oil. Changes the warranty terms instead of fixing the issue.
That intro cracked me up 😂
This comment made my day :).
Thanks, now I am happy still driving 2003 Odyssey with 130K miles on it
Weird that the Gen 2 Acura RDX, 2013-2018, isn’t on the list. It also has the 3.5 V6.
Cylinder deactivation is an attempt to achieve slightly increased fuel consumption and emissions with the result of engine degradation
Sorry I mean decreased fuel economy and emissions
Yup, so when I got 21 Ridgeline, just after ‘Breakin’ I added the deactivation module and haven’t use the cylinder shut down system at all. But the dealer caught me with the module installed and stated that my warranty will be invalid if called upon…….. But I still use it to this day and will take my chances, thank you very much. Now have just over 67 k km on it and all ‘seems’ ok with it ….. so far anyways.
I wonder if this also falls under the 2016 Accord V6 I just had my motor seize up a few weeks ago with only 113000
I'm at 100k on my 2016. I hope to God that doesn't happen on mine.
My 2001 Honda Odyssey with 194,000 just took a 1800 mile trip.
Other than a loose ignition wire and a stuck open thermostat. It ran great.
What about the rdx? They had that engine and the rlx
I guess I’ll hold off on upgrading my 04 CRV
I have a 2017 Acura RDX with a 3.5 liter V6 engine. I haven’t seen it included in the recall. Does anyone have any information on the status of this model?
How's do you like the Nissan VQ35 engine now?
I've been looking at Pathfinders for the wife/kid hauler, need to do a review of them even though they haven't changed the design much. Nissan catches a lot of flak because of the CVTs, but the traditional transmission equiped models like the TItan/Frontier/Pathfinder have been pretty good through the years. I was a huge Nissan fan growing up, owned Zs as a kid and some other Nissans, had great luck with them.
My 2019 Ridgeline was recalled in February, for faulty fuel pump. As of today, they still do not have the parts to repair my truck. I called Honda corporate, and they don't know when the parts will be available. I also mentioned about the reported engine issues, and the representative denied the engine problems.
The government needs to step in and start requiring auto makers to maintain a reasonable inventory of spare parts. It’s getting ridiculous with months of waiting while they continue to churn out new models.
@@briancoleman971 Thank you.
Currently replacing a short block on 2016 pilot 97k miles, all these Honda techs are getting shafted with warranty times
You do a terrific job and service. I was looking at one of those Ridgelines. Probably look at older models as well as a Frontier. Thanks.
It’s a non issue, the frontier will give u far more problems if your worried about drivetrain issues.
Just found your channel...great stuff! Liked and subscribed. You nailed it when you said this is a bummer...Toyota: thumbs down? Honda: thumbs down? Really sucks because we are in the process of (maybe) replacing our 2014 Honda CR-V EX. Has the intermittent VTC noise on start-up. Made noise for years, originally thought it was acorns in the heater fan. Now wondering if we just watch oil levels and hang on for now, instead of buying a new Honda or Toyota...dang! I'm seriously unimpressed by the way Honda seems to be skirting all these issues. My impression is Toyota got out in front and acknowledged issues (with a fix) sooner. Although Honda issued a service bulletin on the VTC noise, I don't think they updated the part for years (?).
Why no honda passport. Makes no sense
I have a 2020 Acura RDX bought new from dealer. Similar problem, although this is a 4 cylinder turbo engine. At 60k miles it had engine tick/knock noise and took it to dealer. It had to have the short block replaced (thankfully under factory warranty) due to it spinning a bearing on the crank.
You sure thats what it was? I know a lot of them are having piston failures.
My 2017 Acura MDX just had this issue, Acura Helpdesk told me my car vin is not part of the recall. Car is currently at the dealership, they are supposedly contacting Acura warranty to see what they can do. All my services were done at the dealership with recommended service and recommended oil changes. I would not buy these cars, my daughter was suppose to take the car to college, maybe a blessing in disguise. Looks like this issue is more widespread than the original 250k recalls, and they are not admitting to it.
Hmmm. I had a 2017 Acura RDX with a 3.5L engine and I see that it isn't included. I sold the car last year, but curious why it isn't also on the list.
Soooooo, the V6 engines in the Accord is good though,,,,right?
Read further on 432 complaint. Another one NOT covered by the recall and he had to pay over 7k out of pocket. Ouch! That's brutal. Run.
Yes it's pretty sad for those folks. I see several of those in the complaints and in forums, my guess is these complaints triggered the NHTSA investigation because they were not covered by Honda. Some folks will just take the dealers word for it (out of pocket repairs), and not reach out to Honda customer service where they likely could have done better....but people should not have to go past the dealer to get resolution on items like this either.
Hopefully those that already paid for the repair can get reimbursed.
I just had engine failure on my way to work in my Kia Sportage 2016 model. I changed oil every 5k miles. It started using 1qt every 1k miles then bam the engine blew. I had it payed off and was forced to get another car payment I cannot afford. We need to change laws in the federal govt so these places dont have to make GDI engines and can go back to port injection!
We need laws to ban GDI and turbo engines now!
That’s exactly why I bought a cherry 14 Honda crv awd with 24k miles recently.No direct injection, cvt, turbo.14 last year.could have bought new.
"Honda says 'Well hold my beer Toyota'"
I haven't laughed that hard in a while 🤣🤦🏼♀️
My 2017 was recalled late last year. I went to the Acura dealer and they took off the top of the motor and took pictures and sent into Acura. They ended up rebuilding the whole motor and it took a week, but they gave me a brand new MDX for a week. So I am not mad because I got it paid for by Acura.
Wonder why the RDX not included?
We have a 2016 crv that has been knocking since about 70k klm with regular oil changes , usually we do the oil change sooner then what it tell us to. Something Isn’t right
I miss my 2010 Accord with the durable K24. If some lady hadn't rear ended my car I'd still be driving it today. Had over 100K miles and not a single issue.
Had 2020 honda van, did not like the 16000km oil change but followed it. Sold it, bought a 2024 4 runner. I pity the person that bought that van. I have done 3 oil changes in 16 000 km on 4 runner... going back to 5000 km oil change. Dont care what manufacturer says.
I get really shocked seeing how frequently people are doing these oil changes today. Done mine every 5k miles too. Anything less is just more time wasted and especially if you’re still having car issues. But hey, heres a toast for joining the 4runner club. 4runs and for no worries.😎
I have the van 😢
@@Anomize23 That guy said 5000 km not miles. 5000 km is around 3000 miles. Draining good oil is crazy.
To correct your commentary about Honda and Toyota from the 90s/00s. Their V6 and Auto transmission combo were ALWAYS problematic. I have been around these older Hondas and Toyotas V6/Automatic combos to have worked on quite a few. Nissan was known to make the BEST V6 in the market during that era. Even their autos were better. Unfortunately the CVT killed any hopes of Nissan being what it used to be in the 90s.
These Toyota and Honda cars were the extreme upper trims and only few sold, and often would need a new transmission by the time they hit 100K. There were issues with oil systems etc.
The true good cars were the basic cars with I4, manual or even auto. Those were the ones that gave the reliability name to Honda and Toyota.
Very true, I guess I mostly drove 5 speed manuals back in those days with Honda. My daughter is still driving a 2005 accord manual....over 200k and runs great.
Nissan was one of my favorites growing up, had just about every Z made...such a great engine manufacturer back then. The truck platforms are still good I agree, just stay away from the CVTs.
Nissan, 30-40 years ago, it was good, but they suffered from significant rust , even the most recent ones retain this defect, that said I had 3, and never again this brand.
Oh boy. I am gonna keep my 21 4Runner as long as possible.
@@calvinkang1224 that anemic and archaic 4.0 V6 will last 300 years, same with the five speed auto. It’s slow, it drives like crap, consumes too much gas. I recommended all the time for those who want a long lasting car.
Until some smuck runs into you
I just bought a 2024 4Runner for this reason. I love my new dinosaur
I get claustrophobic in those. No headroom even with the seats all the way down.
Those are great vehicles to go back-and-forth to a grocery store, wow
I had oil starvation on my 2012 subaru forester. Subaru did not ask questions they just fixed it. Toyota gave me all sorts of problems when I had a similar issue with the older Scion TC with the crappy oil rings. I've bought 4 subarus in my life and never had an issue, and when I did it got fixed immediately
There seems to be a lot of anti-Subaru, especially from the Toyota fanboys that want to continue to relive head gasket and oil burning issues. We have two Subarus yes we’ve had a couple issues here and there, however I’ll trust that brand over Toyota and Honda any day. I look at it like this if main street media or culture such as RUclips keeps bashing Subaru that just means that they’re much better and there is just a subjective thought process or they’re listening to stupid RUclips videos with people yelling and throwing their arms in the air, I hear from Scotty k, I wouldn’t get any other brand right now other than Subaru. Quality reliability and safety, not to mention that they make the best all wheel drive for the money
I’ve owned a 1998 Impreza auto estate with the 2 litre boxer, as well as a 2007 Outback with the 2.5. Both had engine problems, they were nowhere near as enjoyable as the 3.0 six-cylinder boxer is.
I owned a super-reliable 1993 Honda saloon with a 2.0, but most of my cars were German premium, mainly large Mercedes, like E-Class estates. Buy the largest engine you can get, in-line six cylinder engines or large four cylinder engines are the most reliable in my experience. I wouldn’t touch anything made in the last fifteen years or so.
I currently have 3 Toyotas and 1 2014 Forester. The Forester is the newest but oil disappears all the time. The oil level is good on my 3 Toyotas. Unfortunately all my warranties have expired and my Subaru service tech close friend retired. My old Subaru Tech told me to buy Toyotas.
@ that is a problem, but not as common as RUclipsrs make it out to be, also problem with the Hondas and Toyotas, we’ve had problems with Toyota’s went to Subaru and thankfully much better car, but everybody has their brand they like, happy trails with whatever you drive
Hooray I made the list! I did get a recall fix on the connecting rod. So they did take care of it… but is there more I need to know now? I have the Certfied warranty on it
I would assume you are "ok" after the fix. One can only hope that after the initial recall (you were on it), they had discovered the reason/bearing material or clearance issue, and the newer engines had resolution to that. Did they give you a new engine, or a rebuild?
@@TheCarGuyOnline They sent all images to Acura and it was deemed not to need replacing engine , only replacing the rod which they said didn't have any premature wear but was replaced as per recall.
@@paulbonaventura4969 disable the VCM or it will fail again.
I have 2019 honda pilot 135,820 Km no issues yet about crankshaft and rod bearing. Honda dealer just replaced spark plugs and transfercase for free good thing I have extended warranty.
I had a 2009 Odyssey that burned a quart of oil every few hundred miles. I chalked that up to the VCM issues. I have a 2010 RAV4 V6 with 200,000 miles. That thing has been rock solid. I definitely have the urge to get something newer, but it hasn’t given me any reason to get rid of it.
My theory with some of these failures is people drive cars like they are racing in nascar daily and poor Maintenance . People are fools thinking they should change oil every 10,000+ and air filters never ..Then“ Hot Rod” it every day. Manufactures need to change oil intervals to 5000 and remove all turbos .
But Just look around you when driving today people abuse the heck out of their cars.
Driving a car hard once in a while might actually be good for it, especially the low tension piston rings that like to get stuck.
But yea, I blame government CAFE/EPA requirements, engineer's are not working for reliability anymore, but for fuel savings.
Low tension rings, 0w8 oils, plastic everything, DCT, CVT, 10 speed transmissions, GDI, cylinder deactivation, auto start/stop, DEF, 10k oil changes...I could go on.
@@dsmith5822hybrids satisfy the EPA regulations but if the engineers simply can’t engineer ICE engines to be meet the guidelines they need to be open about it and lose the MPG improvements. Seems like you can’t have both
Speed limit on the freeway is 70 MPH. When I got home after a short roadtrip the oil light went on. Going 80 mph for an hour and a bottle of oil disappeared.
I also see a lot of people idling their car all the time. They just sit there for hours I wonder if they live in their car or waiting for something.
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Thin oil. Look into this.
Early 2024 I picked up a 2014 FJ Cruiser from the original owner. It was either that or put the money down on a new car/suv/truck, I think that I made the right decision.
It was on a recall for the fuel pump but the orig owner had Toyota replace it (at no cost) two years ago. He gave me a stack of receipts for all of the maintenance that was done at the dealership he purchased it from.
I've been looking at older FJs for a fun vehicle too...just really dig the looks and the 4.0L/bullet proof transmission :). How do you like it?
My 2016 pilot engine seems to have just seized after a short bit of knocking today; what do i do
good grief, I have a 2016 Accord Touring, hope that doesn't make the list.. I have almost 88K
You might be in the clear with 88k,, it's so hard to tell with main/rod bearings. At least you got 88k out of it so far and a chance for a recall anyway. BMW used to have these issues too, you just never knew when or which vehicle would have the problem.
This really sucks, since J-Series V6s were always reliable. Honda transmissions do need regular fluid maintenance, though, even if they tell you otherwise. Drain and fill those things every 20-30k miles *at minimum.* I do mine every 2 to 3 oil changes - 10k-to 15k. Even the trans on my Gen3 TL is still running strong at 160k.
Most ppl follow the manufacturer/dealer's advice and change trans fluid which I don't for V6 if it is 30 or 60K, I change every 30K. So if you follow the dealer's advice you get to spend $8000 for a new or rebuilt transmission.
@@pall5114 There is a massive lack of knowledge/awareness among people but dealers and manufacturers are glad about this ignorance.
Is there preventive maintenance that you can do to prevent this? I just purchased a 22 Ridgeline with 20k miles on it.
I was shocked to see this video !!! The reason I went with the Ridgeline was the buttery smooth N/A V6, I’m leasing this 2023 Honda Ridgeline with that V6, looks like I’ll be turning it in at lease end PHEW !!!!!! 😢
The actual failure rate is 0.012%. Mostly likely owners neglecting maintenance negligence.
@@GPS2040I hope your correct because I really like my Ridgeline. I don’t even get the free oil changes from Honda because they won’t change it until your down to 15%, for me that’s 8 months so I just pay out of pocket and get it done sooner, hopefully that helps
@ I strongly recommend you to do extra oil changes to your Pilot if you care about long term reliability. Every 3k is the optimal. Find and watch some videos and you’ll know why 3k oil change is essential for engine reliability even for well designed and engineered engines from Honda and Toyota
@@lawdog516 “engineer explained how often to change oil and filter”
@@lawdog516 “ the oil change interval crisis”
This whole thing is just growing pains on the way to hybrid and electric-only vehicles. Problems like this are bound to happen because all the love is being diverted away from the ICE only cars. It's plain to see. Manufacturers don't want these expensive recalls but they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are being forced to go hybrid and electric. Customers are just now starting to realize that Hybrids are now the more reliable choice. Try the 2025 Toyota Camry hybrid. It's shocking how good it is. And RELIABLE. Instant torque at any time, 51 average MPG. Near silent in the cabin at times. A nice engine note if you gas 'er. You barely feel the engine kicking off and on. I will never buy another ICE only vehicle. Light dawned on marble head. No more unreliable transmissions. The E-CVT in the CAMRY has a planetary gear set, and is way more simple than a standard transmission. Drive one and see for yourself how good it is.
This is Honda’s way of forcing buyers into a turbo 4 cylinder vehicle. 😂
I jest, of course.
Honda isn't what it used to be.
NONE of the manufacturers are.
Honda and Toyota reputation of reliability has gone down so much and price gone up, that now im considering Mazda as my go to affordable reliable brand.
I'd agree about Mazda. Their problem is direct injection, and on a number of their models, they have cylinder deactivation which can't be turned off.
Honda was never all that good. People just believed the hype. A lot of small cars last 300k plus miles.
@@donwyoming1936 Oh indeed it was... and it still is. Recalls are nothing new, this particular one involves something like 1% of engines affected. But if you just think everybody else was wrong and you know better, well okay...
I own a 2016 Honda Pilot and I've had a few recalls already: push start button, hood reinforcement plate, transmission software update, fuel injectors replacement. But the thing is, this problems are spread out among 2017, 2018 and 2019 too, it's not only the 2016. It seems half of the 3rd gen Honda Pilot is cursed with issues.
Are there specific vins for this? My parents have a 2019 Pilot LX w/ the 3.5
well put your vin in on nhtsa recall and see.. derp
My 2019 Ridgeline, 55000 miles has a vibration coming from up front at 1600 to 1800 rpm under minimal load…yikes.
Check the engine mounts, sometimes they crack.
I have a 2007 Odyssey and it's running fine. Only thing besides the standard maintenance I've had to do is replace the A/C which was around 120K. Needs a paint job though. I was thinking about a new hybrid CRV but all these recalls has me wondering.
I just bought a 2018 Honda Odyssey 3 weeks ago. Can I take it back to the dealership with this information and request they fix this issue?
doubt it, they are likely overwhelmed with KNOWN issues, as opposed to issues based on fear.
I just had this happen to my 2017 Honda Pilot at 80k On October 20, 2024. I reported it to NHTSA and Honda refused to repair it!! Stating it’s outside of the recall!! They wanted to make me pay part of it and would not give me a quote for it.
I have a 2007 accord v6. 241k miles. To about 150k miles I never looked at a thing. Didn’t know about cars. Now I’m a mobile mechanic. Long story. lol she’s in very very good hands. No matter what happens in fixing her. Already practiced at the yard engine and tranny rebuild. Love my car. I’ve had her since 2010.
Damn. You really have to be careful when you are looking for a reliable used vehicle. Another few models in my list to NOT even look at. Thanks for the video.
In the mean time owners could send in their used oil for analysis to look for excess wear metals being present.
Hi, I recently purchased 2024 Honda odyssey that has the j series v6 in it. Should I be worried 😢
I have two Hondas. 2014 Accord V6 with manual transmission (J35Y2) and a 2012 CRV with the K24. Both have been great. Hopefully this doesn't grow to include my Accord.
I think you are safe with those...
Your Accord doesn't have VCM so it will be fine.
My CRV 2007 is 17years old......my F150 2004 is 20 years old...
Note to mention my CRV is assembled in Japan....and i'm in Canada
Interesting, I had a 2003 Honda Pilot I got rid of because of a rod bearing failure (engine knock).
Is the issue fixed in the Odyssey 2025?
what are the year affected?
If this was Tesla the media would be shouting from the rooftops. Enjoy your videos 😊
They would call for Musk to be put in jail if it was Tesla :)
Tesla has had many problems and nobody called for musk to be in jail.
@@RipliWitaniwhat problems has Tesla had that would be comparable to this?
@@TurdFerguson149Exactly, none.
@@dvader3263 the cybertruck did have a problem with the wiper motor, damn Tesla!😂
Man our early 2016 had 120k mile before we traded it in. Now we have a 2023. That new engine got rid of vtec though. My 2021 ranger just got a new engine for a bad rod bearing under warranty, 50k miles. Foreman said he never saw that before. GM has a lot of engine issues with the 6.2L too. Toyota too, sheesh what's wrong with the auto industry
Uhmmm they don't want us driving cars anymore.
Yeah it's very tough to thread the needle and find extremely reliable powertrains anymore. The fact that these Honda engines having issues are naturally aspirated doesn't help the turbo vs. NA argument either. It's partly why I still drive a 2008 Toyota :).
Australia's having lots of problems with the Colorado's and Rangers.
I think the governments shutting down the world economy for a year might have something to do with poor quality lately.
@@TheCarGuyOnline yeah, the complaints of the 2021 Ranger being "outdated when new" weren't a concern to me because the platform was tried and true. Had all the tech I could want. Figured same trans as f150 being great 😃 ended up being the main issue the truck faces. My engine going out is apparently super rare. Not even other people in the forums with that issue. Trans though, different story but I had no issues there. Just hope out 2023 Pilot doesn't have an engine issue.
I've got a 2016 V6 Accord. No info on whether those engines explode. I don't know why those would be different than all the other V6 engines from that year. I wish they'd explain why the Accord isn't part of the recall.
I have a 2015 honda accord and im looking on getting the 2015 pilot thanks for this update
I had a 2009 Honda Accord EX and it was beautiful. The engine within the first year of buying it new stalled on me. The mechanic said it barely had any oil and he continued to run oil consumption tests. Open case with Honda for a long time but they didn’t want to help. Unloaded it within the first three years.
I have a 2013 & 2017 RDXs
I feel Iike I dodged a bullet.
Am I correct?
Thx
Great info on channel!
What about the 2017 Accord with the 3.5v6? Guessing it's the same...
What about RDX with 3.5 V6?
I drive a 2004 honda pilot that my family owned for roughly 13 years running strong with 192k miles. My dad baught it back in 2012 with 112k.
What did they change in 2023
I have a 2014 Scion FRS. When I found out about the silicone issues; I went to a shop that pumps hot boiling diesel thru the entire engine (about $60.00). After pumping the diesel I noticed the machine filters the fluids and there was silicone in it. I do this one a year to keep the engine clean from sludge.
Wow, I didn’t expect that from Honda. We still have a 2006 Honda Pilot with 244K miles. It’s got a J35Z1 V6 engine. Not a single issue with it other than maintenance.
My sister has a 2016 Honda Pilot EX-L and her transmission went out around 45K and she is also having engine knocking. She paid $8,000 for a new transmission. I am texting her now and I hope she at least gets a new engine. Screw Honda and Toyota now. No manufacturer is good anymore.
Man that sucks, I hope they take care of her.
go with Mazda.
Toyota/Lexus still makes the most reliable vehicles. Toyota only had serious issues with 2 out of 14 vehicles. Those issues no longer exist in newly manufactured vehicles.
How come the Ridgeline or the passports are not included?
We have a 2016 MDX. I have one of those magnetic oil pan screws. Every time I change my oil I see metal shavings on the tip on the screw.
I have a 2016 Pilot which I bought new and in Aug. 2024 I took to Honda for state inspection. I was told there was a recall which I never received no notification from Honda about connecting rod problems. I never had any indication or problems with the engine except a slight hesitation when it is the economy mode. The engine has great power other than that. I do my own oil changes and found no signs of metal shaving or any of sort. The Honda dealership where I take it to told me they do not have the parts available. I called this week know November to see if they received the parts and they told me no. Still no notification!
Tell them to stop lying.. I had my 2019 TLX done last freaking march.