Abandoning Force - Teaching moments with Sifu Adam Mizner
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Teaching moment from the 2018 Prague camp.
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That confirmed my thought regarding the nature of Taiji, at least for a beginning. Time to get practising. Thank you Adam.
I've come back to Adams clips after doing tai chi for a few years and it's like 10 different layers that were never seen are now revealing themselves, very cool
Excellent explanation! This is what makes it so difficult to learn Taiji. We’re so naturally “tuned” to begin amped up and being still.
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
It takes a Lot of Suffering & Fanatical Training for a High Level of Sung to Manifest and the 5 Elements of Push Hands ..The Training is Brutal...I Went to Adam Twice after many Years of Training...I Heard and felt Him...I Left with So Much...Mark Cohens Book INSIDE Zhan Zhuang was And Still is a Comfort when I was Going through a Huge Internal Transformation in My Practice...Both Physically Mentally....Mind/Body....The Chi Gung & Mediation Practice is Brutal to Cultivate the Three Dantians...When the Tai Ji Energies Emerge or Manifest themselves on the WHOLE BODY....Its Exhilaration....The Internal Journey is Not for the Faint Hearted....I Have Been through So Much Pain Since Meeting Adam & I Am Grateful & Humble...People like My Self that have Suffered Trauma will Suffer the Worst with Old Injuries...I Am an Ex Royal Marine Commando & was Physically, Mentally & Spiritually Traumatized by My Time in Combat...I Am Well on the Mend and as Mark Cohen Says Old Injuries Can take a Long Time to Heal...I Am Well on My Way....I Am More Interested in the Healing and Spiritual Aspects of the Art these Days...I Would Like to However Visit Adam in his School in Thailand to get Some of My Form Work Back that I Have Lost Due to My Painful Journey...Thank You Adam for the Pain I have Received Since Meeting You...Hae !
Ever heard of honest sharing by gopal. Insanely helpful to me with trauma.
Always love watching you teach.
I am always impressed by his level of skill. His skill transcends all arts. What I mean is that is it possible to reach this level regardless the art. In fact art seizes to exist once you reach this level. I am improving my Wing Chun by his explanations. Thank you.
Sorry have to disagree with you, so it’s obvious that you do not practice Tai-chi, you can not reach this level doing wing chun, you can not reach this level doing Karate, etc, the body mechanics and relaxation are much different, sorry to burst your bubble!
@@xxdummyfreshful I wonder what you base your opinion on. No I do not do Tai chi, but I do not have to in order to understand what he is doing. So I must say that I also disagree with your views. The last time I looked regardless of what art one studies each person has the same human makeup therefore has the same ability to reach this level.
@@xxdummyfreshful you have the opinion of someone who has never been tested, specially by another Martial art. I challenge you to walk into a Brazilian Jiu jitsu or wrestling gym and see how well your method works.
Let he who has ears to hear, hear.
I don’t know the man but Sifu Adam Mizner is very obviously the real (and humble) deal.
Nah this is fake. Take jujitsu and not this bullshit
This guy is probably Adam 😂
Thank you Adam
insightful, as always. thank you, Sifu Adam
Thanks for sharing
Abandon Li, all ye who enter here...
Ohhh Iceage 3 quote...love it!!
I mean no doubt, best instruction you can find anywhere
Well then yujiro who else is out there with this expertise
-Yujiro Hanma; Why do you interfere, when you have no practice yourself?
If it doesn't look fake it ain't real tai chi.
The comment section following each of Mizner's uploads is always a hoot to read. People will always believe what they will, although I would dearly love to see someone try and challenge him at one of his seminars. (I'm just saying, not suggesting it cos that'd be disrespectful of me)
Brettanomyces 707 what are you talking about?
I checked his workshop schedule and unfortunately he will be in Europe for the foreseeable future. The best option would be a workshop in New Orleans by Mizner's disciple & school instructor on 20th/21st Oct later this year.
Hm. Want some of my Kool-aid? It's good stuff.
Je trouve vraiment très intéressant, j adore❤
Yeah, it is real...been on the receiving end of Adam. I felt the head of my femur pass through the cartilage into the bone of my acetabulum hip socket. Probably gonna need a cane or hip surgery when I get old. He said he was just "floating" people instead of Fajin. If that was his float, I don't want his fajin.
Damn, my apologies
um, yeah sure man.
This is it! Great!
It's enlightening to see how he shows the progression - less and less "Li". I've seen quite a few people who have not a lot of Li in their body but when you get to Adam Mizner's level of "more and more sung, less li", that is very rare. Mizner is very high level. But here's the caveat: I've heard from two masters that this kind of energy is not felt by everyone, and that most women don't feel this energy. Any thoughts on this, anyone?
what? Tension isn't real? Make a fist hold it real tight. Now tighten up your whole body and walk around 24/7.. welcome to planet earth most people's reality.
the reality is most people are dishonest and don't want to admit that they are tense.
or they confuse tension with strength
You're touching close to metaphysical reality with that question for sure. I would agree most people are dishonest about their self.
There are definitely people who lack an inner feeling. Lacking sense. People who simply can not tap into. Weird odd alarming but tis true.
As for women well I think they are adept or rather more sensitive to a different type of frequency of energy. And again the concept that some people are simply cut off organically, so to speak, applies to both genders.
What are your experiences?
Did those masters speak to most women? That might take a lifetime in and of itself.
Just great !
At the end he mentions tension. Earlier he said to release the joints and become song. Song is relaxation...
Song is more release / let go than relax 🙏🏼
Excellent
It appears that true Tai Chi Chuan is a sophisticated form of wrestling with additional options such as striking and locking/breaking.
I always thought that push hand demonstrations are simple cooperation between teacher and student, however when I had the opportunity to touch hands with Dong zheng Chen I felt that I was trying to push an iron ball in a pool of water. It was wild, strange and inspiring to say the least.
When I asked about Fa Jing he pointed to a young college student he was training for 5 or 6 years.. he reached into a backpack and pulled out a water bottle filled with sand and he held it in one hand and with a pop of his palm flew the bottle across the room a good 12 feet as if he through the bottle and I was stunned.
In hung kuen I've felt massive amounts of power in the sun fist however it was fully external.
That was a very well spent two minutes. Thank you
What he does at 1:40 is pure energy work, beyond the physical.
No such thing, Mr. Woo Woo.
"A force can be a push or a pull. When a force is exerted on an object it can change the object's speed, direction of movement or shape. Pressure is a measure of how much force is acting upon an area. Pressure can be found using the equation pressure = force / area." NO force no pressure, no pressure.....well.... So, Question, what are you talking about?
Master Mizner can you explain the use of jing called Lin kong jin ??????????
Nice
Best camera and camerawork I have seen. Uhm...and yeah, no li...re-do, re-do, stand, re-do, stand some more.
What is causing him to jump away so violently?
I train hapkido (only an orange belt) so I know a lot of stuff that looks fake works really well when it's being done to you. But nothing I see in this video appears to warrant such an explosive leap.
It was linked to me on another site and figured I'd give it the benefit of the doubt.
Its just physics. The amount of him jumping back will depend on the amount of energy he was exerting in the first place, which isn't always evident visually in the absence of a full clash, since in tai chi one yields then instantly responds in a way that redirects the momentum that was issued against him or her in the beginning.
Additionally, this is a practice session. They are working together. Even the guy pushing has a role, and his role is not to resist what's happening to him either so that as this evolves, it becomes a very intricate series of chess-like counters back and forth until one finds an opening. Here, he is being put in a very uncomfortable position of unbalancement, and jumping like that actually is the quickest most efficient means of recentering himself without just tripping all over the place or even just going into a brake fall.
To break down the dynamics of what I see here, the guy pushing adam is basically pushing on a rotating cylinder. However, the cylinder also pushes back and into his empty space (weak point of balance) at the exact moment where his weight is on his toes but not so over committed that he just falls forward into Adam.
Also note, that because Adam is essentially a moving cylinder being pushed against, that movement removes the leverage power that was previously straight on, and as such, the minute circular movement isn't just sitting back but it's also sinking down.
There is a brief locking of the elbow and shoulder joint of the guy pushing Adam that happens naturally in the aforementioned movement from Adam. So minute, that unless you been trained to feel it, you wouldn't know what to even look for in a video like this. This isn't a painful lock, btw. It's from the new angle advantage Adam created from turning the waist and sinking his body, so that when Adam presses with his back leg to rise back up (which makes this whole movement a semi circular receiving and issuing of energy) it is going into that shoulder joint which also moves his whole body instantly into his empty space.
That guy was basically pushing into a spring, or a giant elastic ball at that point. He's also being slightly directed diagonally upward not just laterally to the side. Real tai chi is like pushing someone who is trying to walk on a tight rope (the no experience tightrope walkers) after successfully yielding to the initial force amd with the right timing and precision of movement. Good luck developing that timing. I suck at it.
Unfortunately, the timing for these things is incredibly strict, and the relaxation (no tension) required is usually the first composure to be exploited when more force gets applied in real challenges. Which is why people think it doesn't work.
It's not easy to be calm and relaxed when someome really wants to destroy you.
What you see here is real, within the context of the demonstration. In order for it to work in a real challenge situation, you still need to be able to execute the same timing and relaxing principles, and this composure is what I believe isn't being trained at high levels in todays age. Which is also why it mostly never works when they get challenged by other fighters. Real fighters, fight. That simple.
I think the problem is that the jumps are obviously done on purpose, which makes the rest of it look fake.
@@danielskrivan6921 oh the jumps are most definitely voluntary, but mostly as part of their own desire not to fall. The real issue, is that:
a) bystanders make the assumption that this is demonstrating what will happen in an actual fight, b) some teachers, don't explain that this is not what a real fight looks like and it will not look that pretty or silly; this is a practice exercise with two people working together and "feeding eachother" or c) the teacher is bad and actually believes this is what a real fight looks like. Usually only immitated what his/her teacher before them did, never questioned, and blindly believed his/her own propaganda without testing them in more rigrous conditions.
I come across c the most frequently.
Unless the teacher is claiming in a real fight, they go flying like this, its only the assumption of the person watching.
My guess is it's either C or it's D) that the person jumping back is trying to make the teacher look good, but is doing more harm than good.
I could do a demonstration of my techniques and if I barely start the technique and the student flies across the room, it will look fake, too, even if what I was GOING to demonstrate was real.
So can the opening of the joints help me sung and abandon force???
I wonder if this can be used for manual labour, like lifting heavy things.
I had the same question. Does this only work for human subjects? What about animals? Plants? Rocks?
Please tell me you’re joking?
Real taichi!
I'm all Li... JET LI
I've watched many videos of Adam. Looks like magic it's so amazing. But, if it's teachable why do I never see an accomplished student w similar skills?
Because it takes tremendous amount of time to accomplish mastership. If there is a thoroughly dedicated student of his who is willing to spend time to master the art, there would have been one.
Because he is a complete fraud. You have to hand it to him though, he knows how to sell his BS. He would make a goods martial arts movie actor.
@@buddyp3 ya, I showed his video to my sifu; he laughed out loud!
@@buddyp3 how do you know he's a fraud hes prob doing stuff you just dont understand. like the releasing try to touch the air with intention and you whole body now think if you thought there was something there where you are trying to touch. wouldn't you just fall through or fall over? try to think about how stuff can be possible instead of just calling it impossible. a little food for thought.
Dinzel Walker-Smith this is an act like WWE. He’s been challenged by real martial artists to demonstrate on them and he backs down. He only does the chi BS on his students who are part of the work.
good
Pffft. And if you are punched or kicked in the head, you'll let go of all negative thoughts (because you'll be KO'd). This is BS.
It's so hard for me to Lauren Because me language😭
נאדרget a copy of the I Ching classics and look up any confusingwords. Lie and ting I know for sure have whole chapters of the I Ching dedicated to them. Get the yellow copy of the I Ching; it’s value is beyond measure
Where can I find the exercises for getting this power which he is showing? Thank you
+Leonid Dutov www.discovertaiji.com
-Why are you so angry Bro ?
Well yujiro who do you recommend
Someone share a video of any of these techniques applied in an actual sparing session and not a choreographed dance routine .
With the same understanding, there is a completely different method and result. Never soong. Never collapse as Sifu does here. The difference is martial. As Sifu says in his videos, he’s not a fighter, it’s not really martial,( this method). He’s not recommending this as a ji ji, fist. If you want the ancient quan fa, there are several critical differences. Structure, state and goal. Structural is Bao, the gathering of conditions to move. State is ready to move in an instant. And goal, bun lie zu ran, the rebirth of our original natural state. Tai chi does not have these. The method of tai chi does not require you to go back to your origin but instead builds upon your current state. The result is soong. Starting from today the answer is soong. But if you return to your origin it’s is a balanced state of yin n yang not just yin. Soong is yin. Sifu says from total soong there arises yang. That’s still duality in the physical state. There is another way with a different result. But we may say that the two are in the same family. And I may say Adam is doing a great job of teaching his art. It is wonderful to see a modern internal teacher who isn’t confused with half truths.
I watch the old masters and it seems they have given up all li, and are completely utterly relaxed. Even the form morphs from yang family perfectionism to song, or it could just be arthritis :) .
Haha fucking Jesus Christ this is some funny shit
Leslie, more chi.
Adam Minzer farts lightning bolts! 🌩
So chi is sending people flying back ?
No. That's jin. The qi movement manifesting as power
Discover Taiji so chi is jin? So you increase your qi movement through technique ?
It sounds and looks awesome. My respects to Sifu. I only have that classical observation : How good are those tools v MMA? I mean a ranked guy in the sport for at least a one minute round punching optional...
AHH, Mr Ting Tong, master of imaginary forces🙄
Free speech ok
Don’t get your panties in a bunch yujiro.
More insightful nonsense that plagues the true simplistic nature of Tai Chi etc
dude.... I have three month white belts that would choke you out so fast you wouldn't know what hit you.... YOU'RE SCAMMING PEOPLE.
No martial artist I have trained with in BJJ, MT, MMA or Judo sports a curvy physique like this clown
Sadly this won’t work for real !, come to my school & try with me (not a complying student),only fooling the beginners🤣😆