This was both hilarious and painful to watch. She spent all that time planning, and then… got it all wrong. And what made it better/worse was her attempt to fluke this task later in the episode… and she got it wrong again!
My favorite part of this task is when they announce it in the studio, then you get a shot of Jenny's face with this "oh my god NO" look as she remembers the trauma of playing duck duck duck duck duck goose.
She completely overthought it when it’s really just a simple task. Ask any duck if it’s on the red team, then you’ll be able to know if their team is lying or telling the truth. From there you can just ask each duck if a different duck is the goose and it will technically be a different question since you’re using a different number.
Yes, but you also want to minimize the number of questions asked, so you want to eliminate as many ducks as possible after finding out which gang is always lying
@@tommartenmark5786 So you do a binary search and once you know which side is telling the truth, ask a duck in that group "are ducks 1-5 actually ducks." If yes, you know it's in 6-10, if no, 1-5. Then, if for example the duck answered yes, ask another truth telling duck, "Are ducks 6, 7, 8 actually ducks" and then you just repeat. Guaranteed in 4-6 questions
@@tommartenmark5786 yep so question number 2 will always be 'Is the goose on your team' and that'll eliminate half, it's actually really simple since you have easily verifiable information at the start.
No, you can skip that question as well. You can word the question to lie-proof it. "If I were to ask you if X is true, would your answer be yes?" - A truth teller will just give the correct answer. The liar would normally give you the wrong answer, so they'd have to lie about that answer and tell you the truth. Now it's a simple matter of asking questions to identify the goose. Divide them into halves "is it in this half" and go from there.
The way to get around it without losing a question is to run it through two of them of different colours. AKA, "Duck number one, if I were to ask duck number two if the goose is even numbered, what would they say?" That way you can ensure it's either a true representation of a lie, or a lie about a true answer, so you can always invert the response. This lets you do a simple binary search again, cutting ten possibilities down to five, but then you can only guarantee going to three, then two, then one, if your luck is bad. So, even if you get it perfectly logical, you can't guarantee answering it in fewer than four questions, which makes Lloyd's four question result even more impressive!
I hope taskmaster does an entire compilation of the longest task attempts. You know when the task has taken over an hour and a half when the energy has run out and no one has their "tv personality "on anymore.😂😂😂 they just look annoyed staring off into space
I *think* the longest was on Norwegian taskmaster, Kongen Befaler, where they had the 'don't blink' task, and Bard Ylvisaker took a camera home with him, all while not blinking once. I have a dim memory of a really long task on Portugese taskmaster, but I don't remember 100%.
@6022 i tried to watch the non English ones, but its too hard to keep up. They could definitely fill an hour. I think Australia alone has 3 that went over an hour, in just 2 seasons
A few of the international ones have done a prank task where one contestant is told to sit blindfolded and listen to a repetitive saxophone loop for as long as possible. One of the versions released the uncut attempt - which was around 45 minutes - and it was an interesting glimpse into a man slowly losing his sanity.
Wouldn't the logical first question have been "Is your bow blue(red)?" and then she coulda done whatever else she was doing, but with the knowledge of accuracy of the answers
I dunno what the optimal solution is, but i think you should probably start with asking one one of the ducks is on blue team to verify if blue team is lying or telling the truth. Once you know that, they're effectively all telling the truth, because you can discern the truthful answer regardless of their team. Then it's a matter of narrowing down the traitor as efficiently as possible. I'm absolutely certain that's some sort of classic computer science algorithm, but the one that occurs to me most readily is to just continually divide the groups in half. Were there 10 ducks/geese? -Are you on blue team? -Is the goose on blue team? -Does the goose have an odd or even number assigned? -(If even, there are two left at this point.) Are you the goose? Done. -(If odd, there are three left at this point.) Is the goose to your left or right? If no, then the duck you just asked is the goose. Done. -(If yes) Are you the goose? Done. So 4-5 questions. I'm almost certain there's gotta be a more efficient method though.
The key is to use double positives/negatives in your question like start with a statement if true or false yes/no statement then reaffirm if that same statement would still hold true if said by another party in that question. This forces the truth-tellers to always say yes and the liars to always say no.
It's like the old "One door always lies" riddle used in the film 'Labyrinth', although it's way older. "If I ask the other door, what would he say is the safe one?" Run the responses through both teams and you know it's the inverse of the truth.
Step 1: Identify which team are the liars Step 2: Identify which team has the goose Step 3: narrow goose options to even/odd Step 4: interrogate until the goose is found
Go round the circle and go ‘would (duck on the other team) say you are the goose’ this means that every duck would say yes except for the one who is the goose which would say no and it doesn’t matter which team is lying since you reference both teams in the question. Edit, even more optimal strategy might be to narrow it down by halves ‘would the other team say that the goose is between numbers 1 and 6’
For those saying the first question should be used to find out if a duck's team is lying or telling the truth: it's not necessary. and wastes a question Just ask 'what would another duck on your team say if I asked [question X goes here]' and it will always give you a true answer to question X. Basically just a variation on the old 'what would the other one say' solution.
Anyone else annoyed that no one used the water they gave them? Im guessing someone had used some hydrophobic spray on all the ducks. So you'd be able to easily pick the goose.
@@thomashopko7089 No, it has to be a yes or no question. You have to go one by one till you get it right. You just have to switch the question around when asking the team that lies.
I was afraid this video would be two hours long with an attached PDF containing all the matrices.
I'm devastated it's not
I need the unedited task for this as well as Danielle's lol
I really wanna see that pdf
His face when she says "Lets keep entertaining hypotheticals"
This was both hilarious and painful to watch.
She spent all that time planning, and then… got it all wrong.
And what made it better/worse was her attempt to fluke this task later in the episode… and she got it wrong again!
Such a perfect example of overthinking a problem. It was a hilarious attempt
My favorite part of this task is when they announce it in the studio, then you get a shot of Jenny's face with this "oh my god NO" look as she remembers the trauma of playing duck duck duck duck duck goose.
Up there with Joe Wilkinson's smug face before the Potato Throw.
This task cries out for an "uncut" version
I love watching Tom get increasingly frustrated.
Jenny: "You want me to ask more questions?"
Tom: "No!"
😂
She completely overthought it when it’s really just a simple task. Ask any duck if it’s on the red team, then you’ll be able to know if their team is lying or telling the truth. From there you can just ask each duck if a different duck is the goose and it will technically be a different question since you’re using a different number.
Yes, but you also want to minimize the number of questions asked, so you want to eliminate as many ducks as possible after finding out which gang is always lying
@@tommartenmark5786 So you do a binary search and once you know which side is telling the truth, ask a duck in that group "are ducks 1-5 actually ducks." If yes, you know it's in 6-10, if no, 1-5. Then, if for example the duck answered yes, ask another truth telling duck, "Are ducks 6, 7, 8 actually ducks" and then you just repeat. Guaranteed in 4-6 questions
@@tommartenmark5786 yep so question number 2 will always be 'Is the goose on your team' and that'll eliminate half, it's actually really simple since you have easily verifiable information at the start.
No, you can skip that question as well. You can word the question to lie-proof it.
"If I were to ask you if X is true, would your answer be yes?" - A truth teller will just give the correct answer. The liar would normally give you the wrong answer, so they'd have to lie about that answer and tell you the truth.
Now it's a simple matter of asking questions to identify the goose. Divide them into halves "is it in this half" and go from there.
The way to get around it without losing a question is to run it through two of them of different colours. AKA, "Duck number one, if I were to ask duck number two if the goose is even numbered, what would they say?" That way you can ensure it's either a true representation of a lie, or a lie about a true answer, so you can always invert the response.
This lets you do a simple binary search again, cutting ten possibilities down to five, but then you can only guarantee going to three, then two, then one, if your luck is bad.
So, even if you get it perfectly logical, you can't guarantee answering it in fewer than four questions, which makes Lloyd's four question result even more impressive!
The duck duck goose redemption was so good
Jenny also attempted this task again in the fluke task where she also got the goose wrong
I hope taskmaster does an entire compilation of the longest task attempts. You know when the task has taken over an hour and a half when the energy has run out and no one has their "tv personality "on anymore.😂😂😂 they just look annoyed staring off into space
I *think* the longest was on Norwegian taskmaster, Kongen Befaler, where they had the 'don't blink' task, and Bard Ylvisaker took a camera home with him, all while not blinking once. I have a dim memory of a really long task on Portugese taskmaster, but I don't remember 100%.
@6022 i tried to watch the non English ones, but its too hard to keep up. They could definitely fill an hour. I think Australia alone has 3 that went over an hour, in just 2 seasons
Jenny is so cute ❤
A few of the international ones have done a prank task where one contestant is told to sit blindfolded and listen to a repetitive saxophone loop for as long as possible. One of the versions released the uncut attempt - which was around 45 minutes - and it was an interesting glimpse into a man slowly losing his sanity.
@mindicity3874 wow....and i thought alex was ruthless
release the full task and the matrixes
Yes please, release the Jenny cut
Wouldn't the logical first question have been "Is your bow blue(red)?" and then she coulda done whatever else she was doing, but with the knowledge of accuracy of the answers
The way Tom and Jenny interact with each other, you can tell that they really enjoy putting up with each other's insanity.
Who doesn't just love Jenny after seeing this 😂
I'm a big Gashman and Jenny stan. Their chem as the season persists is perfect
I dunno what the optimal solution is, but i think you should probably start with asking one one of the ducks is on blue team to verify if blue team is lying or telling the truth. Once you know that, they're effectively all telling the truth, because you can discern the truthful answer regardless of their team. Then it's a matter of narrowing down the traitor as efficiently as possible. I'm absolutely certain that's some sort of classic computer science algorithm, but the one that occurs to me most readily is to just continually divide the groups in half. Were there 10 ducks/geese?
-Are you on blue team?
-Is the goose on blue team?
-Does the goose have an odd or even number assigned?
-(If even, there are two left at this point.) Are you the goose? Done.
-(If odd, there are three left at this point.) Is the goose to your left or right? If no, then the duck you just asked is the goose. Done.
-(If yes) Are you the goose? Done.
So 4-5 questions. I'm almost certain there's gotta be a more efficient method though.
Big "Am I the goose?" energy
The key is to use double positives/negatives in your question like start with a statement if true or false yes/no statement then reaffirm if that same statement would still hold true if said by another party in that question. This forces the truth-tellers to always say yes and the liars to always say no.
It's like the old "One door always lies" riddle used in the film 'Labyrinth', although it's way older. "If I ask the other door, what would he say is the safe one?"
Run the responses through both teams and you know it's the inverse of the truth.
Step 1: Identify which team are the liars
Step 2: Identify which team has the goose
Step 3: narrow goose options to even/odd
Step 4: interrogate until the goose is found
isn't this just the 'two doors, one to hell and one to heaven problem'?
Basically, with a binary search added.
I'm sorry, but I come from a land where it's known as Duck Duck Duck Duck Duck Duck Duck Duck Duck Grey Duck.
Go round the circle and go ‘would (duck on the other team) say you are the goose’ this means that every duck would say yes except for the one who is the goose which would say no and it doesn’t matter which team is lying since you reference both teams in the question. Edit, even more optimal strategy might be to narrow it down by halves ‘would the other team say that the goose is between numbers 1 and 6’
yep. That's the optimal solution, I believe.
And this is how I found out there's a new seasson!
This task would have killed me.
For those saying the first question should be used to find out if a duck's team is lying or telling the truth: it's not necessary. and wastes a question Just ask 'what would another duck on your team say if I asked [question X goes here]' and it will always give you a true answer to question X. Basically just a variation on the old 'what would the other one say' solution.
When you cant even fail at taking the longest time
Wait, do they film taskmaster au in New Zealand? That’s the taskmaster nz house in Auckland.
Indeed they do!
Does anyone know if we will have the entire episodes sometime soon as well? we got every season of NZ so far so I was wondering
@@wisedred I assume they will start uploading season 2 of TMAU once they finish uploading season 3 of TMNZ? They may wait until after TMNZ s4 though
@@indie3892 awww alr i can't wait!!!
Anyone else annoyed that no one used the water they gave them? Im guessing someone had used some hydrophobic spray on all the ducks. So you'd be able to easily pick the goose.
"Like water off a duck's back"? Oh my word. That would be an incredible easter egg. But then, geese are known for their eggs!
Jenny is the best!!!
Looks like Jenny is the younger, Australian Bridget Christie....
Just ask the Ducks what colour their Bow Tie is....
Her goose efforts get even worse if you add her later Fluke task
Thank you for representing the over thinkers!!! 🎉
Question one, "Is my outfit yellow?" Now I know which team lies and which team tells the truth.
She says later on that she didn't realize you could ask the ducks non-duck related questions which is why she overthought it so much.
Question two, ask a truth-telling duck which duck is actually a goose. Problem solved, in two questions.
@@thomashopko7089 No, it has to be a yes or no question. You have to go one by one till you get it right. You just have to switch the question around when asking the team that lies.
The staff really needs to set out the whole day for filming...any time she comes on set...
Jesus christ.