the user feedback is what made it better. still the program has its problems crashes and over priced promotions. its one of the better programs but its overrated in many ways.
It isn’t the cheapest of things, like novation (no shade) but the quality and functionality of NI and the fact you can keep using it for many years makes it worth the little bit extra in my opinion. Also, upgrading NI products is sooo easy, bc it’s pretty much plug and play, and you can go straight away, thanks from all the emerging produces Native Instruments!
Disagree. They're dumbing down the controllers, and the users. No Controller Editor (customizable MIDI) support. Fixed button and pad assignments in MIDI mode. No Pages, like with Mikro, Mikro MK2, MK2, Studio, Jam, and MK3. Nope.... big, BIG design mistake. For cash-strapped producers, nothing beats a used Maschine controller (MK2 can be found for $150 all day long right now)... and you can often (97% of the time) get a software license transfer with most used Maschine controllers. Go that route, and keep your controller future-proof.
Thank you for that - probably the best comparison vid I've seen. You've helped me decide on the Mikro. I can always upgrade if needs be, but seems it would be better to learn on, and understand its limitations before going bigger.
Just got a Mikro (Mk3) in 2023 after taking a break from Maschine when my M1 Mac mini broke functionality of the Mk1 controller. Decided to get back into the Machine game after learning the Arturia Drumbrute Impact inside and out. After looking at both options, decided to take a chance on the Micro as it’s nearly 1/4 of the price of the full-size with most of the functionality. (Sampling and messing with samples is the least of my concerns so no problem there.) Since I’m just about to record a new album, my setup is very DAW-centric right now and using a mouse is central to my workflow. That said, as the video pointed out, you could argue the computer monitor is a much better screen that what’s on Mk3. Coming from a full-size unit, I’m trying to figure out what I’m really missing out on, especially when you have another drum machine and/or other gear and Machine isn’t the focus of workflow. Probably will pick up a full-size when I see a killer deal on one (right now they seem to hover around $350-400, which seems a lot for a controller that could be five years old) as having a spare Mikro for another computer setup or a having an extra for a standing/sitting rig … Either or, Maschine is a great environment to create beats and the new touch strip is a fantastic performance controller that I’m glad NI added. If you go with the Mikro for whatever reason it’s not penalty box and I’d argue the greater simplicity has a value over the full size …
Super helpful! I'm currently torn between the two, but was swaying towards the MIKRO since this is my first foray into NI's beat makers. Especially since you get all the same software and I already have an audio interface. I think you have made it easy for me to get the MIKRO without the "inferior" choice guilt concern.
Novation circuit and komplet select are the way to go... U have pads, rotary encoders, 2 synth small synth engine, and a sequencer for price cheaper than the mk3 is... And it's not limited to maschine software
7:54 Now see I don't actually think that's bad. When you think about it's not a bad deal IF you have an M32 or A25 and IF you can control all 9 parameters with the M32/A25's 8 knobs.. Even the Maschine Mikro by itself wouldn't be too bad BUT .. Native Instruments might as well just remove that encoder, it's effing useless. I mean I'm not gonna sit there and press left and right which is the equivalent of saying Hey, I'm in the browser, instead of using the mouse to click on a button, let me tab over to it and press enter! It's gonna be cool once or twice as a novelty but the slowness is going to eventually make it not worth it. What I might use the encoder for is to spin through different presets to hear them rather than use the arrow keys on the keyboard. but the problem I've found with M32/A25 is focus. The hardware controller doesn't have the same focus as the computer screen. So like if I choose tags in the computer and click on a preset.. or something like that.. The hardware doesn't always have the same focus, and I'll find myself having to shift press left or press the encoder and then rego through all of those tabs just to get to the presets that I was already at with the mouse. it's clunky at best.
NI made a colossal mistake in not having Controller Editor (MIDI Mode) support with their M32 or the Mikro MK3. No way will I buy any more (new) NI products if this is the direction they're going. The MK3 (regular) has support, thankfully. For those midi geeks (like me).... go with a used MK2 if you want not only a controller for Maschine, but a DOPE midi controller with a million assignable buttons, encoders, and a click-encoder. Maschine Studios are cheap as hell now, too... $250 on average (and most of the time that includes a license transfer). NI is going backwards.... MIDI is bigger than ever, and customizability and tweakability is the new paradigm. Controller Editor is my favorite editor EVER.... Studio, MK2, Mikro MK2, MK3, Jam (I own them all, most bought used... the only one bought new is the MK3). Total mappability.... ridiculous config options..... NI has to start thinking forward, because they are dumbing down the industry and its users with this "fixed assignment" nonsense. Nope. Not having it. Buy the controllers used (especially a Mikro MK2, which sells for about $100 right now), with the license transfer (usually), and enjoy future-proof controllers (for hardware or ANY other DAW).
Just bought myself a mikro2 after seeing all the comments on here, so glad i watched video and read comments. second hand as well, not bad price. Christmas present here i come!!
Gotttttta be honest; as a long-time Mikro mk1 user, I’m not pleased about the removals. You could do entire projects start-finish on the previous two versions. The design and price are great, as well as the dedicated buttons (though not a necessity). Seems a miss for me, otherwise!
Mannn your videos are so ridiculously well made, they waste no time and compare products in-depth. How the hell do you not have over a 100,000 subscribers already?!
I would like to see someone use a few NI products together. M32 for synths, Maschine Mikro Mk3 for drums and Maschine Jam for sequencing and mixing levels with Traktor Z1 as the soundcard with crossfading and EQ for music composition/production at home and quick hands on control for live use
i got rd of my maschine studio because it was so big ive had it since they first came out. Most people dont realize that the heart of Maschine is the software . For the most part each maschine hardware is used to navigate the maschine software. In general they all do the same thing . Yes the mk3 has an interface but its stil not stand alone . The only thing the micro is missing is the screens which is ok with me because i never used the screens on the studio. So the micro is perfect for me .
Good review. If you don't mind using the mouse along with the controller, seems to be good as it can't browse from the device anymore. I have a Mikro MKII for some time and here is the thing that bugs me most about Maschine overall: the hardware is great but the software is not that much. Aside from a few other things, the problem on the MKII is that you'll miss the encoders as soon as you want to record automation in it, as the Mikro knob is a step encoder (it skips values by 5) and is the only knob you can record automation from when using a Mikro. I have a bunch other controllers here (like the launchcontrol xl) and I can't record automation from them because while the software allows me to map the other controllers to the macros/parameters and control them, it won't record any events coming from them. When trying to play around with the Mikro you won't get smooth automation recorded because of that limitation, and depending on the effect/parameter changed, those steps may be noticeable. (and if you press down the knob the steps are too short to cover a wide range in a short amount of time)
great review... about the audio interface on the MK3, it means I can plug in voice and instruments like guitar and bass through the Maschine? It's just for sampling or I can use it for performance and recording? thanks
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Just ordered one. I used the Maschine mkII for a while, switched to Push II and sold both. I like the idea of a really solid Midi Controller for a small price + the really powerful Maschine Software. I guess you couldn’t go wrong with this as a hobby/jamming musician. If you want more, spend more money.
Yeah, you can go wrong with this. The Mikro MK2 offers a bigger screen, the FULL factory content AND Komplete Select, both of which the new Mikro MK3 does NOT come with. And the MK2 is cheaper, even if bought as new at the current retail price.
The only thing I concerned about is that sampling on Mikro mk3. Sampling is way much easier and you don't have to rely on your computer screen as you work on sampling on Mikro mk2. I guess ill directly switch to maschine mk3 from Mikro mk2. But now features o Mikro mk3 like smart strip is a plus. No matter what native instruments still a game changer tho. Thanks for great review.
An other big difference is that with Mikro you almost don't have Lock States and morphing. For the knobs: if you have a m32 / A serie you can use the knobs on that.
4:17 I can't use the MK3 as a standard midi controller in my DAW?! So I am buying a midi controller that's not actually a midi controller but a Maschine Software controller? It already sends midi! Why would they limit it to their own software?! If this is true, I am out.
In trying to figure out the same thing....No way I'm gonna buy if I can't use it as a midi controller....I want nothing to do with the maschine software!
I use my mk3 as a midi controller in my preferred daw Logic Pro x you have to have it in midi mode after you got the sounds you want otherwise you can’t get your midi notes in your daw
Enjoyable review, helpful. In my case Mikro MK3 looks best for my purposes. Mikro Mk2 was lil cryptic, and I would never slice in comptroller, in my work flow. I returned and got full MK3, which is great, but won’t need an audio interface. I am playing more synths and VST (NKS Arturia) so one encoder would enough. Will be looking onto computer screen anyways. So could save table space (critical for me) and also good back, so instead get full soft suite. Couple questions, it comes without Komplete Select, just basic? Also I would miss screen showing what exact chords you have assigned to pads in chords mode. What lil screen shows in screen mode! I’s there a way to know what chord sit on pads with Mikro MK3 and software? Thanks bulks for timely review!
I agree with you about the chords completely! Currently you can’t see their names but you can see which keys are pressed on the piano roll (not as good of course). Re what comes with it please check on the site - I have ultimate so I didn’t install the bundled software
thanks bulks for the reply! I seems will be happy one of the very few happy customers for this exact MK3 model, downgrading from full MK3 :) I have Moog 37CV, and few controllers on each purpose Keystep for ARP/pad, Beatstep for grooves and multi-purpose 16 knobs. Table space is critical, so like Mikro to be part of the work flow (while full MK3 designed to be the focal point). I glad NI replicated way handy MK3 flow on dedicated buttons vs MK2, and would love those huge, silky-sexy MK3 pads around for beats, grid sequencer and chords :) NI better remember that "controllers" nowdays are the _musical instruments_ and a door for music education for many. Not every bedroom musician graduated conservatory (hehe), but we'd love to learn. If at least chords names shown on tiny screen will be cool enough. I would grab guitar and start strumming chords knowing. handy! Anyways Mikro seems the one who would travel in a bag or fly for 2 week beach vacation along with laptop :)
Great video. I've been using a mk3 mikro for about 2 years and thinking of upgrading just for those extra knobs, watching my friend use them I get so jealous. Just can't bring myself to pay that extra amount for them..
I'm kinda sold on the Micro MK3, I'm sat in front of a 42 in screen and have Komplete Kontrol S49 MK1 in front of that. I just wonder if the 8 knobs on the S49 can somehow be replacements for the knobs missing on the Micro MK3.
You can use the S49 within Maschine's software and once you do that, your 8 knobs give you access to the parameters of whatever you've loaded up. In fact, you can even use your keyboard for browsing through projects, sounds, plugins and so on, so I'd say that you can do most of the stuff the MK3 can do with that combo as well.
I use the Mikro mk2 and the Komplete Kontrol S61 mk2 and they both work in tandem with the Maschine software so the mk3 should do the same. As I have the screen on the S61 mk2 I had no need to get the Maschine mk3 as I also have the Maschine Jam which also combines with the other 2 controllers when used in Maschine so I am good. The Mikro mk3 seems okay for someone who is new coming into the Maschine workflow
6:20 This is what I'm noticing about the NI Mikro controllers.. I had the M32 and now I have the A25, and what I notice these micro controllers have in common is that they attempt to let you control things from the hardware but it's like "You can do it better with the mouse and keyboard." Browsing sounds with Komplete Kontrol on the M32/A25 is like... It's cool if you like looking at that tiny screen on the controller it works well, but you can't select more than one thing (with the mouse you can select multiple tags) and if you're looking at the screen and using the hardware encounter you'll find the performance is pretty laggy and not good. It's much better with the mouse. And I'm feeling this with this Mikro mk3.. you look at the screen and see the knob highlights change as you press left and right it's like.. Mouse over to it, done. Way faster and more convenient.. Why am I gonna pay $250 for something that is less convenient and slower than using the mouse. Hardware is supposed to make it better. Just from that alone I think I'll just wait and buy the Maschine Mk3 and skip the Mikro.
I'm glad I got the Mk.II. - don't like the look of this new one. NI just seem to be going around in circles now. I was never a massive fan of them. But I did cave in and ended up buying Komplete and obviously a Maschine. They are constantly looking to nickel and dime you. They really great price for Komplete that they do twice a year (iirc) is only hippy crack to get you to buy more expansion packs and the odd plugin not included with your version. That's ok. But many have still not forgiven them for the debacle that was Kore. They had the technology. They scuppered it for a higher vision. And this is their vision. They make some great plugins. And they know how to leverage not just their software but their hardware as well. It's great if you are loaded. But it's not just about money. I spend silly money on plugins or hardware that I 'need'. Hell, I'm about to buy a Behringer 808 and Arp (and I don't really need them), but things have to be fun. You always feel like a rat on a wheel with NI. They are too corporate and they do not respond to customer support either. But like Apple they have their fanboy who keep them afloat and encourage them. I have the money for the latest version of Maschine and I can even upgrade to the ultimate version of Komplete as well. But I'm too busy trying to work compatibility with my version of Kore 2 and the plugins I already have. NI aren't a bad company. They are a dream to anyone just getting in to this shnizzle. But us old heads know the game they play. They aren't interested in us. We've bought all their shit. They want young kids and people that haven't bought their shit. Simple as that. It's pure marketing. For all the new shiny stuff, they have lost a bit of their soul along the way. Behringer is making things exciting again, even if they are controversial in their own way. We will see if they can deliver at any time soon. But it's not just NI, it's the general corporatisation or music in general. That's another story...
"NI aren't a bad company." I have to disagree. They are bad in how they still haven't listened when it comes to audio tracks for their Maschine software and a bunch more sampling related things that are really a complete must with a device that is supposed to be a sampler as much as a sequencer. I'm actually fairly disappointed in how weak the software is. It's only barely an acceptable sequencer. It lacks a lot of quantize related features, things other much older devices do have. And yes, there's absolutely no way the "2.0" software is actually worth the money. They basically never released a feature complete version 1 software and version 2.x isn't really either. On top of that there's no real reason to get the Maschine MK3 either, because that hardware still largely has the same flaws as the original product. The integrated audio interface isn't solving the whole 'sample internal sounds' issue, which is kind of a terrible joke. No way I'd spend $600 on the MK3 now. The touch strip is neat, but ultimately quite a gimmick for most.
+PHeMoX - they are corporate cocksuckers. But that works in favour of some users, others not so much. They have definitely stagnated. All this keyboard stuff and controller stuff is just their way of leveraging their already written and abandoned software. It's a nightmare to keep up with. I'm trying to maintain a Kore 2 setup along with Komplete 7. I have Komplete 10 and I would buy the latest stuff but its not backwards compatible with OS's or controllers. I realise everyone is different, but once you get NI in to your veins it's like a virus to get rid of. I just want to reach compatibility now and I am out. They don't care about customers, only new customers. Long live Behringer.
Sadly, they aren't the worst. Akai, with their ridiculous software installs, key-based locks, and inability to fix ANYTHING on High Sierra, is 10x worse than Native. At least Native has software that doesn't take 5 hours to install, driver problems that will cause you to tear your hair out, and ridiculous policies. Both of them, though, have a real problem with listening to customer feedback and dealing professionally with their customers. I tend to agree that they really could care less about existing customers, once they've gotten their bucks. It's a shame, and it's going to take some upstart, with great customer service, to shake this up and boot these jokers out of their glass houses. BTW, I'll take Brandon's comment about Behringer with a grain of salt, since that's a pretty old stance towards them; their stuff is tons better these days.
Is MK3 ok to run with Core i3-10th Gen and SSD hard drive? I purchased laptop recently not even thinking about MK3 and I don't want to change my laptop for now. I'm novice and Machine is something new for me and I want to start with this and I'm afraid there will be latency when I hit a pad the sound will appear late... :(
How about a comparison video with the current top model, Maschine mk3 and the former top model, Maschine Studio? Because I have the latter and am wondering whether I should upgrade?!
Thank you for this great, informative video. Might be a silly question, but would you recommend Maschine Mikro MK3 over MK2? Also, could you please elaborate on Mikro MK3 can't work as MIDI controller in beta? If Maschine software is same and assuming MK3 would have MIDI capability, why is this the case?
Thanks! Yes I would recommend the MK3 over MK2 because realistically I don’t think the extra screen features were very usable, but I already saw another comment here thinking otherwise, and MK2 prices will probably drop - perhaps try one in store to see for yourself. I don’t know why you can’t use it as a stand-alone midi controller (i.e. without the maschine software). I wouldn’t be surprised if they add this later but it’s not there now and I didn’t see a midi label on the controller so I thought it’s worth mentioning
@@loopop Thanks a lot again for your time and helpful reply. Unfortunately, I can't get it to try in my country. I will watch out for Black Friday deals on MK2 though. But MK3 certainly looks and feels better to me too. I think I can load the Mashine software in FL Studio and work with it? Isn't that MIDI then? In the NI advert of Mikro MK3 they show it in use with FL Studio, so I hope it's all good.
ola ! tudo bem ? eu instalei a maschine , mas nas abas all projects , all groups e all sounds não aparece nada , só aparece nas abas all instruments e all e all affects . você pode me ajudar ? valeu muito obrigado . Hello ! okay ? I installed the maschine, but in the tabs all projects, all groups and all sounds nothing appears, only appears in tabs all instruments and all and all affects. can you help me ? thanks a lot
If my fingers drag even slightly across the surface of the mikro mk3 pads when striking them, they tend to double-trigger - does the bigger mk3 have the same tendency?
How is the audio interface to external powered monitors? Very clean or noisy? Midi works now? Thinking of this ot roland TR8s.... or are they different enough to get both?
All does hardware should be boycotted by all, and we should have hardware that actually could be consumer friendly, be able to be used where ever we wanted to witch daw we wanted. It would be wrong if we would have keyboard and mouse, each only working with theyr own labels. I hear that even the midi in this is not so easy to use, and that you cant edit any midi in Controller Editor software, its pretty much locked
Im about to buy the Komplete S88 and i thought about adding a Mikro as an extension for Pads, im just not sure yet if it makes sense, and if it is possible to use the S88 displays to setup the Maschine and the S88 at the same time or in other words, after another
I found a brand new white mikro mkII for cheaper than the mikro mk3.. what do you think? I think i prefer to have the screen.. Been debating between maschine and mpc for like 2 years.. I can never decide lol... Drums are the only area I still use VI's with a standard midi keyboard, like heartbeat for example.. All my other synth sounds come from hardware, all of them.. Samples, if i need something realistic, I will use Kontakt, otherwise I use my hardware romplers like integra even for that.. But drums i have NO hardware of any kind - yet.. I just want something that makes it a bit easier to play in drum sequences, but I use a computer as my main hub, so something like maschine should be fine.. Is the included library good? is there an easy to use grid based drum sequencer in the software that I can use when the hardware isn't handy? One thing I do like is Cubase's drum editor, which Logic and Pro Tools lack.. With Cubase i can easily program beats for any VI with the drum mode, the others have to use the standard piano roll... Hence why I also want something like maschine ,or akai.. I do have Arturia's Spark software which has it's own decent sequencer, but it crashes, a lot. Have spoken to Arturia to no avail, they seem to keep updating everything for bug fixes *except* spark VI unfortunately. Anyway, if a maschine mikro MKII is a decent place to start with drum sequencing from a hardware controller, I'll get it.. The brand new one I found is really quite cheap.
Didn’t even know this was coming out but they could’ve gave us a bigger screen, they’re purposely making the Mikro more inferior than it is to the MK3 so you just buy the MK3
I don't know, I think they're making them different with good reason. I'm a Maschine MkII owner, having got one free from Native, but I think I'm going to downsize to the Mikro now. It makes more sense for going in my laptop bag, and I'm just not a heavy user. Everything I really need is in the Mikro, and Maschine is overkill for me. From my point of view, it looks like a generous differentiation that stops me from overspending.
I'm sorry, but in no way is the Mikro MK3 'different with good reason'. It's deliberately limited. I also disagree that the Mikro is the go-to for usage with a laptop, as you'd need a proper mouse to really get the best out of the Maschine software when you have less knobs and buttons on the hardware itself. Honestly, Mikro MK3 it's only pro is it's lower price. In every other way it's inferior in every situation.
@@PHeMoX I have a great touchpad and never use a mouse, and this is a 4k display. Kind of the same with my Wacoms: they *have* all kinds of extra controls on the tablet, but I don't use them because I'm fast with keyboard/mouse shortcuts, so buying the luxury models is more than I need.Of course the Maschine had advantages, which is why it costs much more. The Mikro came second, but it existed for a reason. You're acting like you just heard of the Mikro this year or something. I'm telling you that after years of experience, *for me*, the Maschine is much more than I need, that the Mikro does everything I need, and that it fits better in hand luggage. These are facts.
Awesome comparison! Thank you very much, you really helped me make my decision. Excellent, unbiased information like this can be difficult to find. This video alone has generated a new subscriber! Keep up the awesome work. #NewSubscriber
...good price for a good portable controller with a software...in my opinion, NI could do a small miracle with a cable - so that you could put a few of those close each other and save on the space on the desk...also...will look better.
I have some weird beep sound with MK2 mikro everytime I press play and some weird beep sound is playing even tho no sound is recorded so no sound should be playing, any idea what this might be if you ever had a simial problem?
Can anyone please help? Can't find the info i need anywhere... I have the new "Maschine MK3 Mikro". Not the larger "Maschine MK3" I have installed all current software for Maschine MK3 Mikro and Logic Pro X. First... There is no "Maschine MK3 Mikro" to choose in the current "NI Controller Editor" software??? So... I used the "Maschine Controller Mk3" because it looks exactly the same in the transport and pad area. "The Mikro and Mikro 2 Controller" do not look the same. I went through all your custom steps In the NI Controller Editor..... For the "Maschine MK3 Controller"..... Second... When I get to the setup part of it inside Logic Pro X there is no "Maschine Virtual" Input or Output to choose? There is nothing in the "Output Port" or "Input Port" that says "Virtual" anything? I have even tried to set it up with the Mackie Controller but still never anything that says "Virtual" to choose from. It's just never there? So i also tried with the "NI Controller Editor" for all the NI "Mikro" products. When it comes time to set up in Logic Pro X, there is never anything that says "Virtual" to choose? So frustrating. I've been doing this for a long time and usually i'm really good at figuring this out but feels like they sent this hardware out unfinished? The software doesn't work for setting up control in Logic. Has anyone with a new "Maschine Mikro MK3" been able to figure this out? Do you only get the "Virtual" option with the larger "Maschine Mk3"? Did it come with any other Maschine? Did Logic Pro X take it out with an update? I need this transport control inside Logic. And pads would be nice to. But without the "Virtual" option there is nothing i can do. Any help is appreciated. Thanks so much. (if there is a link to anywhere explaining this please post it here for me).
That was great - a precise and quick comparison. I bought the Mikro mk2 a few months back on sale and it let me dive into the world of Maschine. I'm totally hooked and plan to get the Maschine mk3 and an upgrade to Komplete 12 Ultimate by next year. Also, I totally love the clarity of the thought process, flow and presentation in your reviewing and demo videos. The effort you put into making these videos really stands out. *Thanks for sharing the great content as always.* I wish you garner even more recognition.
If you still haven’t bought Komplete 12, then hurry up and check out their website now because they have summer sales going on right now until June 30th. I might buy the Maschine + Komplete 12 Ultimate bundle 👍🏼
Hi, i already have a native Komplete Kontrol M32 key controller instrument. If I change the pad assignments, do the midi messages of the keyboard also change?
Hi, using the m32 together with my mk2 mikro. I always use it in "piano/keys" mode and the maschine switches between pads and keys independently. Only downside to the full maschine would be that the knobs have no labels
This has been the deciding video for me. I've seen well over 10 videos about the Mikro but thus is the only unbiased one that fully explains the upsides of the Mikro! The others that I've seen are from Maschine Mk3 users who don't really like it just because it doesn't have a screen and the touch knobs but I don't feel like I'll be missing out on them since I'm only starting out and I've never had them. Thank you for fully explaining their similarities and differences!
Do you have to use maschine's recording software? If I were to use logic, will I have the same amount of things maschines software offers? I'm fairly new to recording and the less software I have to learn the better 😅
These really work best as a companion to the maschine software (which can run as a plugin in Logic) - but yes, you'd need to learn too environments which is quite a lot. If you want to focus on Logic you can still use these but can probably get a cheaper grid controller
I got a problem with mikro mk2 for some reason everytime I press play some weird beep is playing and I can't get it off there's no sounds recoreded so no sound should be playing but it's still beeping, any idea what this is?
Hmmm, If a person was just starting out, wanted to be thrifty, and already owned a viable computer then this could be a pretty good purchase. If you don’t already have a PC, instead of buying both pieces, an MPC Live would be something to strongly consider imo.
Michael Yuhl Yeah i agree, i think the Octatrack is a fabulous instrument. It’s actually one of my favorite. Nice FX and sample manipulation. But only 8 tracks, compared to 128 for the MPC and unlimited for the Maschine. So as an instrument or performance mixer it’s perfect but to replace a DAW...the MPC feels like its more adept at that job.
Digital Diezel for sure the MPC live is the better choice for straight forward DAW in a box but part of me misses the old school MPC character and design... I guess I gravitate towards the Octatrack because it’s like Alice falling down the rabbit hole, bunch of crazy shit happens and I’m in it for the journey.
Michael Yuhl You’re right! I totally dig your position. The Octatrack is more of an Artist’s instrument, like a guitar or saxophone. While, the MPC is more of a Producer’s tool.
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UPDATE: You can slice samples with the Maschine Mikro MK3 hardware since firmware update 2.8
To bring this level of functionality to kids starting out, edu, and cash-strapped bedroom producers everywhere is amazing. Kudos, NI.
Native Instruments is changing the way beats are produced. What an amazing company.
the user feedback is what made it better. still the program has its problems crashes and over priced promotions. its one of the better programs but its overrated in many ways.
Dreux Donelan ghsna
It isn’t the cheapest of things, like novation (no shade) but the quality and functionality of NI and the fact you can keep using it for many years makes it worth the little bit extra in my opinion. Also, upgrading NI products is sooo easy, bc it’s pretty much plug and play, and you can go straight away, thanks from all the emerging produces Native Instruments!
Disagree. They're dumbing down the controllers, and the users. No Controller Editor (customizable MIDI) support. Fixed button and pad assignments in MIDI mode. No Pages, like with Mikro, Mikro MK2, MK2, Studio, Jam, and MK3. Nope.... big, BIG design mistake. For cash-strapped producers, nothing beats a used Maschine controller (MK2 can be found for $150 all day long right now)... and you can often (97% of the time) get a software license transfer with most used Maschine controllers. Go that route, and keep your controller future-proof.
Great overview! Informative, unbiased, multi-camera angles, good quality content right here! 👍🏼
Thank you for that - probably the best comparison vid I've seen.
You've helped me decide on the Mikro. I can always upgrade if needs be, but seems it would be better to learn on, and understand its limitations before going bigger.
same
Really good review. Mikro mk3 is definetly for me for a better workflow. Finally, No need for screens, since i use to work on my computer
Just got a Mikro (Mk3) in 2023 after taking a break from Maschine when my M1 Mac mini broke functionality of the Mk1 controller. Decided to get back into the Machine game after learning the Arturia Drumbrute Impact inside and out. After looking at both options, decided to take a chance on the Micro as it’s nearly 1/4 of the price of the full-size with most of the functionality. (Sampling and messing with samples is the least of my concerns so no problem there.) Since I’m just about to record a new album, my setup is very DAW-centric right now and using a mouse is central to my workflow. That said, as the video pointed out, you could argue the computer monitor is a much better screen that what’s on Mk3. Coming from a full-size unit, I’m trying to figure out what I’m really missing out on, especially when you have another drum machine and/or other gear and Machine isn’t the focus of workflow. Probably will pick up a full-size when I see a killer deal on one (right now they seem to hover around $350-400, which seems a lot for a controller that could be five years old) as having a spare Mikro for another computer setup or a having an extra for a standing/sitting rig … Either or, Maschine is a great environment to create beats and the new touch strip is a fantastic performance controller that I’m glad NI added. If you go with the Mikro for whatever reason it’s not penalty box and I’d argue the greater simplicity has a value over the full size …
Super helpful! I'm currently torn between the two, but was swaying towards the MIKRO since this is my first foray into NI's beat makers. Especially since you get all the same software and I already have an audio interface. I think you have made it easy for me to get the MIKRO without the "inferior" choice guilt concern.
I got 25 gigs of software and the mikro comes with 8 gigs
Cheers! Very informative, gonna swap my mk.1 with a Mikro!
Novation circuit and komplet select are the way to go...
U have pads, rotary encoders, 2 synth small synth engine, and a sequencer for price cheaper than the mk3 is... And it's not limited to maschine software
7:54 Now see I don't actually think that's bad. When you think about it's not a bad deal IF you have an M32 or A25 and IF you can control all 9 parameters with the M32/A25's 8 knobs.. Even the Maschine Mikro by itself wouldn't be too bad BUT .. Native Instruments might as well just remove that encoder, it's effing useless. I mean I'm not gonna sit there and press left and right which is the equivalent of saying Hey, I'm in the browser, instead of using the mouse to click on a button, let me tab over to it and press enter! It's gonna be cool once or twice as a novelty but the slowness is going to eventually make it not worth it.
What I might use the encoder for is to spin through different presets to hear them rather than use the arrow keys on the keyboard. but the problem I've found with M32/A25 is focus. The hardware controller doesn't have the same focus as the computer screen. So like if I choose tags in the computer and click on a preset.. or something like that.. The hardware doesn't always have the same focus, and I'll find myself having to shift press left or press the encoder and then rego through all of those tabs just to get to the presets that I was already at with the mouse. it's clunky at best.
NI made a colossal mistake in not having Controller Editor (MIDI Mode) support with their M32 or the Mikro MK3. No way will I buy any more (new) NI products if this is the direction they're going. The MK3 (regular) has support, thankfully. For those midi geeks (like me).... go with a used MK2 if you want not only a controller for Maschine, but a DOPE midi controller with a million assignable buttons, encoders, and a click-encoder. Maschine Studios are cheap as hell now, too... $250 on average (and most of the time that includes a license transfer).
NI is going backwards.... MIDI is bigger than ever, and customizability and tweakability is the new paradigm. Controller Editor is my favorite editor EVER.... Studio, MK2, Mikro MK2, MK3, Jam (I own them all, most bought used... the only one bought new is the MK3). Total mappability.... ridiculous config options..... NI has to start thinking forward, because they are dumbing down the industry and its users with this "fixed assignment" nonsense. Nope. Not having it. Buy the controllers used (especially a Mikro MK2, which sells for about $100 right now), with the license transfer (usually), and enjoy future-proof controllers (for hardware or ANY other DAW).
This has been remedied.
you said akai has good pads.. but its false.. i checked it myself and they suck! but i heard the maschine does have good pads
Just bought myself a mikro2 after seeing all the comments on here, so glad i watched video and read comments. second hand as well, not bad price. Christmas present here i come!!
Gotttttta be honest; as a long-time Mikro mk1 user, I’m not pleased about the removals. You could do entire projects start-finish on the previous two versions.
The design and price are great, as well as the dedicated buttons (though not a necessity). Seems a miss for me, otherwise!
thank you for the table of contents with the timestamps on the left... all these types of videos need that
Mannn your videos are so ridiculously well made, they waste no time and compare products in-depth. How the hell do you not have over a 100,000 subscribers already?!
Update: 151k lol. Well deserved
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I would like to see someone use a few NI products together. M32 for synths, Maschine Mikro Mk3 for drums and Maschine Jam for sequencing and mixing levels with Traktor Z1 as the soundcard with crossfading and EQ for music composition/production at home and quick hands on control for live use
i got rd of my maschine studio because it was so big ive had it since they first came out. Most people dont realize that the heart of Maschine is the software . For the most part each maschine hardware is used to navigate the maschine software. In general they all do the same thing . Yes the mk3 has an interface but its stil not stand alone . The only thing the micro is missing is the screens which is ok with me because i never used the screens on the studio. So the micro is perfect for me .
Good review. If you don't mind using the mouse along with the controller, seems to be good as it can't browse from the device anymore.
I have a Mikro MKII for some time and here is the thing that bugs me most about Maschine overall: the hardware is great but the software is not that much. Aside from a few other things, the problem on the MKII is that you'll miss the encoders as soon as you want to record automation in it, as the Mikro knob is a step encoder (it skips values by 5) and is the only knob you can record automation from when using a Mikro. I have a bunch other controllers here (like the launchcontrol xl) and I can't record automation from them because while the software allows me to map the other controllers to the macros/parameters and control them, it won't record any events coming from them. When trying to play around with the Mikro you won't get smooth automation recorded because of that limitation, and depending on the effect/parameter changed, those steps may be noticeable. (and if you press down the knob the steps are too short to cover a wide range in a short amount of time)
great review...
about the audio interface on the MK3, it means I can plug in voice and instruments like guitar and bass through the Maschine? It's just for sampling or I can use it for performance and recording? thanks
hmm, nice. i think the mk3 mikro would work nicely with the maschine jam i have.
The fact that we now have a MK3 Mikro just signals we’re getting a Kontrol Series 88 MKII
Actually it's already announced on their website.
good video. I have Mikro mk2 & mikro mk3. The size and prize is what matters to me.
So the Micro 3 is a downgrade compared to MK2? lol
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@@luminousbrilliance1711whos #1?
i'll stick with the Mikro Mk2, i see no need to spend more money for a smaller screen
Just ordered one. I used the Maschine mkII for a while, switched to Push II and sold both. I like the idea of a really solid Midi Controller for a small price + the really powerful Maschine Software. I guess you couldn’t go wrong with this as a hobby/jamming musician. If you want more, spend more money.
Yeah, you can go wrong with this. The Mikro MK2 offers a bigger screen, the FULL factory content AND Komplete Select, both of which the new Mikro MK3 does NOT come with. And the MK2 is cheaper, even if bought as new at the current retail price.
Mikro mk3 is better. The maschine program is much better on pc than in the maschine. Save your money bc youre gonna need a pc eitherways.
The only thing I concerned about is that sampling on Mikro mk3. Sampling is way much easier and you don't have to rely on your computer screen as you work on sampling on Mikro mk2. I guess ill directly switch to maschine mk3 from Mikro mk2. But now features o Mikro mk3 like smart strip is a plus. No matter what native instruments still a game changer tho. Thanks for great review.
Why it is so expensive??????
An other big difference is that with Mikro you almost don't have Lock States and morphing. For the knobs: if you have a m32 / A serie you can use the knobs on that.
The lock states are a big thing
I'll keep my mk2 can do everything on the screen and computer
Shame that the good stuff is always 3 times plus more expensive than the entry level stuff. 😒
Jeez, they really didn't do the mikro mk3any favors huh?
4:17 I can't use the MK3 as a standard midi controller in my DAW?! So I am buying a midi controller that's not actually a midi controller but a Maschine Software controller? It already sends midi! Why would they limit it to their own software?! If this is true, I am out.
In trying to figure out the same thing....No way I'm gonna buy if I can't use it as a midi controller....I want nothing to do with the maschine software!
I use my mk3 as a midi controller in my preferred daw Logic Pro x you have to have it in midi mode after you got the sounds you want otherwise you can’t get your midi notes in your daw
FYI - They just added standard MIDI in a recent update
loopop So you can use the Mikro mk3 as a midi controller in Logic Pro X now? Is that correct?
I haven’t tried but - Yes you can though you need to map the buttons
Hey question can I use my maschine mk3 with my Mikro mk3 for more drum pads combine both together ;) is this possible
I have had my launchpad pro plugged into the computer at the same time as the mikro and been able to use more pads in the same session
They coulda removed the touch strip and put the proper screen in place
Is ther a way I can use the Maschine with another controller in combination in traktor pro 3?
does maschine have it's own drum synthesis engine or is it only sample based?
Yes it does
Thank you!
its both, sample based kits and drum synths
that screen:))
DIE ERSTEN MINUTEN ... sollte JEDER mal aufmerksam hören ...
Enjoyable review, helpful. In my case Mikro MK3 looks best for my purposes. Mikro Mk2 was lil cryptic, and I would never slice in comptroller, in my work flow. I returned and got full MK3, which is great, but won’t need an audio interface. I am playing more synths and VST (NKS Arturia) so one encoder would enough. Will be looking onto computer screen anyways. So could save table space (critical for me) and also good back, so instead get full soft suite. Couple questions, it comes without Komplete Select, just basic? Also I would miss screen showing what exact chords you have assigned to pads in chords mode. What lil screen shows in screen mode! I’s there a way to know what chord sit on pads with Mikro MK3 and software? Thanks bulks for timely review!
I agree with you about the chords completely! Currently you can’t see their names but you can see which keys are pressed on the piano roll (not as good of course). Re what comes with it please check on the site - I have ultimate so I didn’t install the bundled software
thanks bulks for the reply! I seems will be happy one of the very few happy customers for this exact MK3 model, downgrading from full MK3 :) I have Moog 37CV, and few controllers on each purpose Keystep for ARP/pad, Beatstep for grooves and multi-purpose 16 knobs. Table space is critical, so like Mikro to be part of the work flow (while full MK3 designed to be the focal point). I glad NI replicated way handy MK3 flow on dedicated buttons vs MK2, and would love those huge, silky-sexy MK3 pads around for beats, grid sequencer and chords :)
NI better remember that "controllers" nowdays are the _musical instruments_ and a door for music education for many. Not every bedroom musician graduated conservatory (hehe), but we'd love to learn. If at least chords names shown on tiny screen will be cool enough. I would grab guitar and start strumming chords knowing. handy!
Anyways Mikro seems the one who would travel in a bag or fly for 2 week beach vacation along with laptop :)
where pads and controls are better, micro mk 2 vs mk 3?
4:20 - It won't work as a basic MIDI controller? What? What do you mean? It will only work with the Maschine software? Did this change after beta?
Great video. I've been using a mk3 mikro for about 2 years and thinking of upgrading just for those extra knobs, watching my friend use them I get so jealous. Just can't bring myself to pay that extra amount for them..
I'm kinda sold on the Micro MK3, I'm sat in front of a 42 in screen and have Komplete Kontrol S49 MK1 in front of that. I just wonder if the 8 knobs on the S49 can somehow be replacements for the knobs missing on the Micro MK3.
I don’t see why not though haven’t tried
You can use the S49 within Maschine's software and once you do that, your 8 knobs give you access to the parameters of whatever you've loaded up. In fact, you can even use your keyboard for browsing through projects, sounds, plugins and so on, so I'd say that you can do most of the stuff the MK3 can do with that combo as well.
I use the Mikro mk2 and the Komplete Kontrol S61 mk2 and they both work in tandem with the Maschine software so the mk3 should do the same. As I have the screen on the S61 mk2 I had no need to get the Maschine mk3 as I also have the Maschine Jam which also combines with the other 2 controllers when used in Maschine so I am good. The Mikro mk3 seems okay for someone who is new coming into the Maschine workflow
6:20 This is what I'm noticing about the NI Mikro controllers.. I had the M32 and now I have the A25, and what I notice these micro controllers have in common is that they attempt to let you control things from the hardware but it's like "You can do it better with the mouse and keyboard." Browsing sounds with Komplete Kontrol on the M32/A25 is like... It's cool if you like looking at that tiny screen on the controller it works well, but you can't select more than one thing (with the mouse you can select multiple tags) and if you're looking at the screen and using the hardware encounter you'll find the performance is pretty laggy and not good. It's much better with the mouse.
And I'm feeling this with this Mikro mk3.. you look at the screen and see the knob highlights change as you press left and right it's like.. Mouse over to it, done. Way faster and more convenient.. Why am I gonna pay $250 for something that is less convenient and slower than using the mouse. Hardware is supposed to make it better. Just from that alone I think I'll just wait and buy the Maschine Mk3 and skip the Mikro.
How do just forget the step buttons in the transport area?smh
Thanks a lot! very well made video. I have made my decision.. Thanks :)
Is MK3 much better than MK2 for Maschine mikro?
I'm wondering which second-hand item to buy. (MK2 700 $ .MK3 160 $)
I'm glad I got the Mk.II. - don't like the look of this new one.
NI just seem to be going around in circles now. I was never a massive fan of them. But I did cave in and ended up buying Komplete and obviously a Maschine.
They are constantly looking to nickel and dime you. They really great price for Komplete that they do twice a year (iirc) is only hippy crack to get you to buy more expansion packs and the odd plugin not included with your version. That's ok.
But many have still not forgiven them for the debacle that was Kore. They had the technology. They scuppered it for a higher vision. And this is their vision.
They make some great plugins. And they know how to leverage not just their software but their hardware as well. It's great if you are loaded. But it's not just about money. I spend silly money on plugins or hardware that I 'need'. Hell, I'm about to buy a Behringer 808 and Arp (and I don't really need them), but things have to be fun.
You always feel like a rat on a wheel with NI. They are too corporate and they do not respond to customer support either. But like Apple they have their fanboy who keep them afloat and encourage them.
I have the money for the latest version of Maschine and I can even upgrade to the ultimate version of Komplete as well. But I'm too busy trying to work compatibility with my version of Kore 2 and the plugins I already have.
NI aren't a bad company. They are a dream to anyone just getting in to this shnizzle. But us old heads know the game they play. They aren't interested in us. We've bought all their shit. They want young kids and people that haven't bought their shit. Simple as that. It's pure marketing.
For all the new shiny stuff, they have lost a bit of their soul along the way. Behringer is making things exciting again, even if they are controversial in their own way. We will see if they can deliver at any time soon.
But it's not just NI, it's the general corporatisation or music in general. That's another story...
"NI aren't a bad company."
I have to disagree. They are bad in how they still haven't listened when it comes to audio tracks for their Maschine software and a bunch more sampling related things that are really a complete must with a device that is supposed to be a sampler as much as a sequencer. I'm actually fairly disappointed in how weak the software is. It's only barely an acceptable sequencer. It lacks a lot of quantize related features, things other much older devices do have. And yes, there's absolutely no way the "2.0" software is actually worth the money. They basically never released a feature complete version 1 software and version 2.x isn't really either. On top of that there's no real reason to get the Maschine MK3 either, because that hardware still largely has the same flaws as the original product. The integrated audio interface isn't solving the whole 'sample internal sounds' issue, which is kind of a terrible joke. No way I'd spend $600 on the MK3 now. The touch strip is neat, but ultimately quite a gimmick for most.
+PHeMoX - they are corporate cocksuckers. But that works in favour of some users, others not so much. They have definitely stagnated.
All this keyboard stuff and controller stuff is just their way of leveraging their already written and abandoned software. It's a nightmare to keep up with. I'm trying to maintain a Kore 2 setup along with Komplete 7. I have Komplete 10 and I would buy the latest stuff but its not backwards compatible with OS's or controllers.
I realise everyone is different, but once you get NI in to your veins it's like a virus to get rid of. I just want to reach compatibility now and I am out.
They don't care about customers, only new customers.
Long live Behringer.
Sadly, they aren't the worst. Akai, with their ridiculous software installs, key-based locks, and inability to fix ANYTHING on High Sierra, is 10x worse than Native. At least Native has software that doesn't take 5 hours to install, driver problems that will cause you to tear your hair out, and ridiculous policies. Both of them, though, have a real problem with listening to customer feedback and dealing professionally with their customers. I tend to agree that they really could care less about existing customers, once they've gotten their bucks. It's a shame, and it's going to take some upstart, with great customer service, to shake this up and boot these jokers out of their glass houses. BTW, I'll take Brandon's comment about Behringer with a grain of salt, since that's a pretty old stance towards them; their stuff is tons better these days.
Is MK3 ok to run with Core i3-10th Gen and SSD hard drive? I purchased laptop recently not even thinking about MK3 and I don't want to change my laptop for now. I'm novice and Machine is something new for me and I want to start with this and I'm afraid there will be latency when I hit a pad the sound will appear late... :(
How about a comparison video with the current top model, Maschine mk3 and the former top model, Maschine Studio? Because I have the latter and am wondering whether I should upgrade?!
Always great videos! Thanks for reviewing these products. Really helpful.
Thank you for this great, informative video. Might be a silly question, but would you recommend Maschine Mikro MK3 over MK2? Also, could you please elaborate on Mikro MK3 can't work as MIDI controller in beta? If Maschine software is same and assuming MK3 would have MIDI capability, why is this the case?
Thanks! Yes I would recommend the MK3 over MK2 because realistically I don’t think the extra screen features were very usable, but I already saw another comment here thinking otherwise, and MK2 prices will probably drop - perhaps try one in store to see for yourself. I don’t know why you can’t use it as a stand-alone midi controller (i.e. without the maschine software). I wouldn’t be surprised if they add this later but it’s not there now and I didn’t see a midi label on the controller so I thought it’s worth mentioning
@@loopop Thanks a lot again for your time and helpful reply. Unfortunately, I can't get it to try in my country. I will watch out for Black Friday deals on MK2 though. But MK3 certainly looks and feels better to me too. I think I can load the Mashine software in FL Studio and work with it? Isn't that MIDI then? In the NI advert of Mikro MK3 they show it in use with FL Studio, so I hope it's all good.
Yeah as long as you’re using the maschine plugin inside fl studio it should be fine
@@loopop okay, thanks for the reply. :)
ola ! tudo bem ? eu instalei a maschine , mas nas abas all projects , all groups e all sounds não aparece nada , só aparece nas abas all instruments e all e all affects . você pode me ajudar ? valeu muito obrigado .
Hello ! okay ? I installed the maschine, but in the tabs all projects, all groups and all sounds nothing appears, only appears in tabs all instruments and all and all affects. can you help me ? thanks a lot
I got the small and I love that thing. I rather make my beats on my maschine mk3 instead of Fl Studios it’s too confusing and overwhelming
Hey, you forgetting about a bunch of VST's and sound samples for $200 that goes only with mk3 ;)
Thanks for this video. it was very useful!
If my fingers drag even slightly across the surface of the mikro mk3 pads when striking them, they tend to double-trigger - does the bigger mk3 have the same tendency?
Normally I don't subscribe to gear channels. This channel and Sanja C are the only two exceptions. Well done Sir.
How is the audio interface to external powered monitors? Very clean or noisy? Midi works now? Thinking of this ot roland TR8s.... or are they different enough to get both?
Do people who "punch" this stuff believe they are talented and playing an instrument? Hahahaha...
can micro used as a MIDI CONTROLLER
yes
@@loopop thanks
7:33 Oh shit. That makes it worth it right there. The audio interface.
All does hardware should be boycotted by all, and we should have hardware that actually could be consumer friendly, be able to be used where ever we wanted to witch daw we wanted. It would be wrong if we would have keyboard and mouse, each only working with theyr own labels. I hear that even the midi in this is not so easy to use, and that you cant edit any midi in Controller Editor software, its pretty much locked
Im about to buy the Komplete S88 and i thought about adding a Mikro as an extension for Pads, im just not sure yet if it makes sense, and if it is possible to use the S88 displays to setup the Maschine and the S88 at the same time or in other words, after another
I found a brand new white mikro mkII for cheaper than the mikro mk3.. what do you think? I think i prefer to have the screen.. Been debating between maschine and mpc for like 2 years.. I can never decide lol... Drums are the only area I still use VI's with a standard midi keyboard, like heartbeat for example.. All my other synth sounds come from hardware, all of them.. Samples, if i need something realistic, I will use Kontakt, otherwise I use my hardware romplers like integra even for that.. But drums i have NO hardware of any kind - yet.. I just want something that makes it a bit easier to play in drum sequences, but I use a computer as my main hub, so something like maschine should be fine.. Is the included library good? is there an easy to use grid based drum sequencer in the software that I can use when the hardware isn't handy? One thing I do like is Cubase's drum editor, which Logic and Pro Tools lack.. With Cubase i can easily program beats for any VI with the drum mode, the others have to use the standard piano roll... Hence why I also want something like maschine ,or akai.. I do have Arturia's Spark software which has it's own decent sequencer, but it crashes, a lot. Have spoken to Arturia to no avail, they seem to keep updating everything for bug fixes *except* spark VI unfortunately. Anyway, if a maschine mikro MKII is a decent place to start with drum sequencing from a hardware controller, I'll get it.. The brand new one I found is really quite cheap.
Didn’t even know this was coming out but they could’ve gave us a bigger screen, they’re purposely making the Mikro more inferior than it is to the MK3 so you just buy the MK3
OffKey Media I’m pretty sure that’s the point. It wasn’t suppose to be better than the mk3.
I don't know, I think they're making them different with good reason. I'm a Maschine MkII owner, having got one free from Native, but I think I'm going to downsize to the Mikro now. It makes more sense for going in my laptop bag, and I'm just not a heavy user. Everything I really need is in the Mikro, and Maschine is overkill for me. From my point of view, it looks like a generous differentiation that stops me from overspending.
I'm sorry, but in no way is the Mikro MK3 'different with good reason'. It's deliberately limited. I also disagree that the Mikro is the go-to for usage with a laptop, as you'd need a proper mouse to really get the best out of the Maschine software when you have less knobs and buttons on the hardware itself. Honestly, Mikro MK3 it's only pro is it's lower price. In every other way it's inferior in every situation.
@@PHeMoX I have a great touchpad and never use a mouse, and this is a 4k display. Kind of the same with my Wacoms: they *have* all kinds of extra controls on the tablet, but I don't use them because I'm fast with keyboard/mouse shortcuts, so buying the luxury models is more than I need.Of course the Maschine had advantages, which is why it costs much more. The Mikro came second, but it existed for a reason. You're acting like you just heard of the Mikro this year or something. I'm telling you that after years of experience, *for me*, the Maschine is much more than I need, that the Mikro does everything I need, and that it fits better in hand luggage. These are facts.
Is there any chance to use a Maschine (any kind) or an alternative device with iOS for example with the iPad Pro?
I disagree. It doesn't matter where you are, it is called what it is called.
Other than that, amazing work as always.
Can the Micro Mk2 work as A Controller ? & does it still work in 2020 with same new sounds & the new updates
Awesome comparison! Thank you very much, you really helped me make my decision. Excellent, unbiased information like this can be difficult to find. This video alone has generated a new subscriber! Keep up the awesome work. #NewSubscriber
Is the MK3 now usable as a midi controller? I have not found a solid answer to that.
They better not change the hardware and software again! Lol gonna get another one 😤
Can you sample beats from songs with the mikro mk3
Can the Touch Strip control Note Repeat value? What is the highest value of Note Repeat? Could be fun for expressive triplets.
...good price for a good portable controller with a software...in my opinion, NI could do a small miracle with a cable - so that you could put a few of those close each other and save on the space on the desk...also...will look better.
I love my MK2 Mikro. Been using it for 5 years. Why did they make the screen smaller? lol
I have some weird beep sound with MK2 mikro everytime I press play and some weird beep sound is playing even tho no sound is recorded so no sound should be playing, any idea what this might be if you ever had a simial problem?
Can anyone please help? Can't find the info i need anywhere...
I have the new "Maschine MK3 Mikro". Not the larger "Maschine MK3"
I have installed all current software for Maschine MK3 Mikro and Logic Pro X.
First...
There is no "Maschine MK3 Mikro" to choose in the current "NI Controller Editor" software??? So... I used the "Maschine Controller Mk3" because it looks exactly the same in the transport and pad area. "The Mikro and Mikro 2 Controller" do not look the same.
I went through all your custom steps In the NI Controller Editor..... For the "Maschine MK3 Controller".....
Second...
When I get to the setup part of it inside Logic Pro X there is no "Maschine Virtual" Input or Output to choose? There is nothing in the "Output Port" or "Input Port" that says "Virtual" anything? I have even tried to set it up with the Mackie Controller but still never anything that says "Virtual" to choose from. It's just never there?
So i also tried with the "NI Controller Editor" for all the NI "Mikro" products. When it comes time to set up in Logic Pro X, there is never anything that says "Virtual" to choose? So frustrating.
I've been doing this for a long time and usually i'm really good at figuring this out but feels like they sent this hardware out unfinished? The software doesn't work for setting up control in Logic.
Has anyone with a new "Maschine Mikro MK3" been able to figure this out? Do you only get the "Virtual" option with the larger "Maschine Mk3"? Did it come with any other Maschine?
Did Logic Pro X take it out with an update?
I need this transport control inside Logic. And pads would be nice to. But without the "Virtual" option there is nothing i can do.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks so much. (if there is a link to anywhere explaining this please post it here for me).
did you ever figure this out?
Always the right information
When u buy the mk3 so u get the full version of software
That was great - a precise and quick comparison. I bought the Mikro mk2 a few months back on sale and it let me dive into the world of Maschine. I'm totally hooked and plan to get the Maschine mk3 and an upgrade to Komplete 12 Ultimate by next year. Also, I totally love the clarity of the thought process, flow and presentation in your reviewing and demo videos. The effort you put into making these videos really stands out. *Thanks for sharing the great content as always.* I wish you garner even more recognition.
Thanks :)
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I might buy the Maschine + Komplete 12 Ultimate bundle 👍🏼
Hi, i already have a native Komplete Kontrol M32 key controller instrument. If I change the pad assignments, do the midi messages of the keyboard also change?
Hi, using the m32 together with my mk2 mikro. I always use it in "piano/keys" mode and the maschine switches between pads and keys independently. Only downside to the full maschine would be that the knobs have no labels
do it come whit the same softweare bundle?
Very informative. Is there any difference in the size of the two Mikros? Is one bigger or smaller than the other? What are their specs? Thank you
Awesome review! Sad it is can't save fx chains (
Thanks but not sure what you mean re saving fax chains? That can be done in the software
can i use the mikro mk3 with the komplete mk2 at the same time ?
Can you still adjust the pad sensitivity on the Mikro mk3? Thanks
This has been the deciding video for me. I've seen well over 10 videos about the Mikro but thus is the only unbiased one that fully explains the upsides of the Mikro! The others that I've seen are from Maschine Mk3 users who don't really like it just because it doesn't have a screen and the touch knobs but I don't feel like I'll be missing out on them since I'm only starting out and I've never had them. Thank you for fully explaining their similarities and differences!
I am leaning the same way
Do you have to use maschine's recording software? If I were to use logic, will I have the same amount of things maschines software offers? I'm fairly new to recording and the less software I have to learn the better 😅
These really work best as a companion to the maschine software (which can run as a plugin in Logic) - but yes, you'd need to learn too environments which is quite a lot. If you want to focus on Logic you can still use these but can probably get a cheaper grid controller
I got a problem with mikro mk2 for some reason everytime I press play some weird beep is playing and I can't get it off there's no sounds recoreded so no sound should be playing but it's still beeping, any idea what this is?
Sounds like u have the metronome turned on 🤣🤣🤣
does that Mk3 work alongside another audio interface? Can I used a microphone going into a Focusrite to record, whilst controlling it with a Mk3?
Yes
thanks!
Really interesting video! Thank you! I'm going for the Mikro MK3
does anyone know if the micro works as a midi controller now?
Yes it does
But it is not class-compliant, that is, you cannot use it as a midi controller outside of windows/macos (need its driver installed).
Is there any sounds, plug-ins, or kits being offered for both mk3s?
Check their site to see what’s included in each bundle
Can the NI JAM do more than the MK3?
And how to set it up?
yes, and you just connect it to your computer and Maschine knows what to do
Really great. Thank you from germany
Hmmm, If a person was just starting out, wanted to be thrifty, and already owned a viable computer then this could be a pretty good purchase. If you don’t already have a PC, instead of buying both pieces, an MPC Live would be something to strongly consider imo.
Digital Diezel nah fam, Octatrack mk2
Michael Yuhl Yeah i agree, i think the Octatrack is a fabulous instrument. It’s actually one of my favorite. Nice FX and sample manipulation. But only 8 tracks, compared to 128 for the MPC and unlimited for the Maschine. So as an instrument or performance mixer it’s perfect but to replace a DAW...the MPC feels like its more adept at that job.
Digital Diezel for sure the MPC live is the better choice for straight forward DAW in a box but part of me misses the old school MPC character and design... I guess I gravitate towards the Octatrack because it’s like Alice falling down the rabbit hole, bunch of crazy shit happens and I’m in it for the journey.
Michael Yuhl You’re right! I totally dig your position. The Octatrack is more of an Artist’s instrument, like a guitar or saxophone. While, the MPC is more of a Producer’s tool.