Kabir Singh, Article 15 Review | Spoilers | Let's Talk Movies
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- On Let's Talk Movies, Film Companion critics Baradwaj Rangan, Anupama Chopra, Sucharita Tyagi, Rahul Desai discuss and review Ayushmann Khurrana starrer #Article15 & #ShahidKapoor, Kiara Advani starrer #KabirSingh.
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Both were fabulous
Article 15 is a brutal reality of our society...And kabir singh is just a glorified patriarchal misogyny... Completely misguiding such possessive youth who thinks girl is there private property...Very shocked seeing people appreciate this bullshit concept
@@madhurapatki2234 there are so many propaganda movies made every year people are not stupid who misguide by watching a movie
Article 15 is one dimensional fictional story with no evidence, politically motivated crooked up story whereas kabir singh is more realistic with no political influence towards any appeasement or hatred against any community.
kabir singh is fabulous movie. I don't want morality in every movie. great acting by shahid. Indians are loving game of thrones and wolf of wall street but they have problem with kabir singh, smh.
Article 15* be like , why did you include my name in video title 😁
Exactly
Who's here after watching Sandeep Vang interview ?
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Present
0:00 - 6:35 : Article 15
7:00 - 51:28 : Kabir Singh
BC itna time Kabir singh pe!!
Good one @Jaydev Raol... thanks bhaai ....A15 nahi dekha tha maine
Thanks u are amazing !
Thank you.
That’s cause the fake feminists who don’t know what’s the difference between reality and a movie
Not even once did any of the above talk about Shahid as a performer in the movie!!!
They spoke about kabir singh for about 45 minutes and they did not talk about it's cinematic factors like lighting, music, cinematography etc for even a minute!! ;-);-)
Bro...to understand a "film"by heart a person needs to behave like a "person"not like a wild animal...DID U SEE HOW SUCHARITA IS PRONOUNCING "WORST",N THEN SHE SAID "OMG ITS A LUVSTORY:😂😂😂SHE sounded like a beast.....n one can only talk about the cinematography, performance etc when they review (whether its positive/negative)...THESE SUCHARITA N RAHUL R NOT REVIEWING...THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR "AGENDA"IN MOVIES...N TRYING TO PROVE THEMSELVES INTELLIGENT😂😂😂😂THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY TALK. ..HOW WILL THEY REVIEW😂😂😂😂
@@saanvisinha3139 totally agree. What an accurate comment. Finally someone who thinks like me 😂😂
Immense respect for Bharadwaj for his maturity 🙏 This shows his experience in reviewing films
raviteja rambler he was
and yes even anupama is fine .. she said she does not bring her ideology while watching a film .
And here Shahid thought Padmavat was going to be his most controversial film!
Looks like only Preeti liked him and all other women hate him.
even udta punjab almost hot banned. if haider released in 2019 fosure it would have got banned
It is like Bharadwaj sir is lecturing Sucharita, Rahul, and Anupama on how to review a movie without an ideological bias, and how art cannot be a moral science lessons class🤣
I've watched in single screen theatre in delhi no one claps on the slap
Just for your point don't make anything rubbish
Agreed!
So does that mean it didn't happen in other halls? Have some empathy man..
bru she might've seen in a 70mm theathre. Acting as if she got harrassed xD xD
Sucharita is stupid
@@nitishnair8736 Whoever clapped were assholes, but in her review she implied that women everywhere were feeling uncomfortable. Many women enjoyed the movie, and many people saw the movie as it was, just a movie.
The primary problem of them is ... Kabir had a happy ending😂😂
I live in a tier 3 city , and I'm seeing boys and men crowding the theatres to watch this movie. I get the point Mr. Rangan and anupama maam are making . But in a country like ours influence of such a movie is easily seen. I'm a teacher and I see students post the most controversial scenes(I haven't seen the film but the scene is where maybe some girl is smiling post their makeup session, and the background music is one which feels like he's made a conquest).All of those young boys that I taught, and know that don't believe in feminism and equal rights or at least women having a right to live their life on their own,will look at this movie and feel that this behaviour is justified. Bollywood has to stop glorifying these silent mode heroines,that is not how most girls are. My beauty cannot be defined by my innocence.Where are young ambitious smart ,career driven,back answering women. On a very personal level of course women hate a kabir singh because they know and I know that a man like this will hit you,demean you , and treat you like shit,he won't sing bekhayali,he will throw acid on me.
I agree ma'am we need more of Raazi
Very well said
Thank you. ❤
Rightly said
First, I’d like to acknowledge that there are different realities for different people, especially in a country like India. If I’ve only seen dignified, decent men in my life and not come across patriarchy even remotely, it doesn’t mean that my reality is true for the entire country and all the social issues don’t exist, or exist on a small scale. And surely, if you have noticed boys turning into adults with such mindset, then it’s indeed sad. Having said that, it is also true that those kind of people will twist anything to suit their ideologies, no matter If cinemas are made that depict men as the most decent and dignified heroes. In fact, look at all the heroics in Salman Khan’s movies, all the patriotism in Akshay Kumar’s movies, all the social messages in Aamir Khan’s movies.. even if those movies become blockbuster hits, have they stopped misogyny in India? Patriarchy? Have the rapes stopped? Are all the women feeling safe and uplifted?
damn...Bhardwaj Ranjan is awesome....what a nuanced take on the movie ...compare this to Sucharita's...Also Bhardwaj ranjan : "I don't want movies to be guided by moral forces" clap clap
deen john why not though? What’s so wrong about that? Just a question
Yeah
He’s the best
He's the best. (2)
thats the words of a reviewer. That is his job.he watches the technicalities.He even said "he does not want to make the decisions about the influence of the movie" just 5 mins after that statement. we are audiance. We can take the decision if it can influence us in a bad way.And it does.
@@niteshpanda2156 What he means is that no one has the authority to tell what can or cannot influence people, no one should be able to tell that what I should or shouldn't watch and tell me how I should look at a movie.
I think you should have a interview with Sandeep Reddy vanga. May be he will give answers to your questions
Why .. Questions aren't on how he made it rather it's on how it's received
USKI MAA KI CHOOT
Exactly..
If Sandeep vanga comes , he will just screw all of three by just one justification. Never mess with a creative Director
Kabir Singh = 💩
Dearest ((well not so much also))
SUCHARITA TYAGI ....
I am a woman ... Like you .... Same MO ... As in same demographic profile ... Metro educated / Delhi University student / have seen & experienced incidents of mild molestation here & there / I appreciate good cinema from all over the world - and sometimes Hindi movies too / I have a young son growing up in today's rather sensitive & outspoken times ... So I am & have to be more responsible in my choices and my reactions because how I feel about issues will reflect in my parenting style too ....
And let me tell you .... What I find truly disturbing was your review of this film ...
That you find a movie like this deeply problematic ....
That people like you loose objectivity while doing your job .... And your job is to see movies and comment on the craft ... People like you have left no space for us to have a conversation on flawed characters .... For these crazy love obsessed people in their 20s to make mistakes and lose sight of life ...
There are people we know and these are people who we ourselves have been to some degree .... Or are you saying that reactions to break up have to homogeneous ((ice cream & shit)) and are you saying our gaze to look at cinema has to always be from a moral high ground .... Cinema is amazing because we get to have a virtual experience on screen about our own vulnerabilities -- our own imperfections get played out on screen and we get a vent for our feelings .... That's the beauty about movies like these .... Because they let us explore aspects of our personality ((in a virtual world)) which we cannot live out in the real world and that's an amazing service they do for us ....
In a simplistic way ... For the longest time our movie hero's and heroines used to break out into song and dance routine to you express joy and sadness ... Does not mean we did it in real life but that also does not mean that we hated it everytime they did it ....
So anyway .... You keep addressing women who hated Kabir Singh and felt uncomfortable ....while conveniently missing out on women like me ((who are like you - urban & educated & independent & exposed to global cinema & good literature)) who love the movie unabashedly and are not afraid to say it ...
Sincerely
From a fan who you recently lost ....not so much because of Kabir Singh but for what you have been doing for a while now ....trying to find feminist agendas in all your reviews .... Most prominent example being you loving Captain Marvel which aas high on the feminist agenda but was a disservice in story telling - was so tightened on a nuts & bolts front to be reflective of today's times that it actually stopped being true to its own source material .... Where they show her as a one note AMAZING character when her biggest strength is the fact that she was flawed AF ..... A superhero unwilling to accept her powers or to control her sorrows and her tragic life that she was drowning them in the bottle ... These narratives you selectively choose and miss stink of a bias so deep that as a follower of your work one does not know if you are pushing an agenda or just reviewing a movie
I don’t think anyone else in the comment section has put this well as you did. I hope Sucharita gets to see this opinion of yours!
My god you have summed everything thats wrong with Sucharita, and i also went back to watch her Captain Marvel review after watching Kabir Singh, as in what were here observations of a movie that was utter feminist crap and guess what she had all praises for a Captain Marvel which is flawed on so many levels. I had never watched any video of Sucharita before anf at first when i saw her Kabir Singh review i became a fan of her and was almost going to share the video with everyone but one friend of mine cautioned me, so i decided to first watch her review of movie that i have also seen, Captain Marvel and it was then i realised what kind of mistake i was going to do, then i watched Kabir Singh even though i didn't want to because of her video but i did and damn she has over exaggerated so much stuff, she is extremely toxic feminist.
@@Iwayss Thank you so much for your kind words 🙏🙏
You know I truly believe in progressive thinking .... And associate strongly with a feminist agenda ... But this kind of shaming is really too much ... The champions of freedom of expression in art and all forms of art .... And also the people who propagate that junta should be subjected to tough subjects and realities, so that they can mature in their thinking .... Who believe that online streaming sites like Netflix etc should not be regulated because "Art is Free" and "All things are art" ......
These type of people are exactly those who have opposed this movie and objected to this movie strongly ..... Almost implying that IF the average movie goer has enjoyed and loved and connected with the movie ..... The movie goer who has paid his hard earned money on this movie and is continuing to do so multiple times .... versus a SUCHARITA TYAGI .... who has watched the movie in a press screening .... Then there is something wrong with the mentality or intelligence level or sanity of that movie goer .... Because they seem to imply by their argument that all intelligence of the world / of art / of moral high ground .... Solely rests with the lot who are forced to watch such movies like Kabir Singh in press screenings .... So that they can do a service to people who care to watch a review before going for a movie
And I find that truly shocking and something I don't agree with !!
People for the longest time have enjoyed movies on all subjects for all kinds of reasons, for all kinds of moods they are feeling at that time .....
And to bracket the young generation of our country or the slightly older people like us ... Who got to relive our past breakups and all the toxic feelings which we all experienced in some degree or the other ((whether we acted on them or not is not the point)) via this movie .... I ask, why is that feeling bad? Why is that feeling wrong?
@@s1mpleenigma311 Thank you so much for those amazing words 🙏🙏🙏
It's hard to find encouragement, support and civil arguments on social media now a days ....
I replied to another comment below .... it's as follows
" Iways Thank you so much for your kind words 🙏🙏
You know I truly believe in progressive thinking .... And associate strongly with a feminist agenda ... But this kind of shaming is really too much ... The champions of freedom of expression in art and all forms of art .... And also the people who propagate that junta should be subjected to tough subjects and realities, so that they can mature in their thinking .... Who believe that online streaming sites like Netflix etc should not be regulated because "Art is Free" and "All things are art" ......
These type of people are exactly those who have opposed this movie and objected to this movie strongly ..... Almost implying that IF the average movie goer has enjoyed and loved and connected with the movie ..... The movie goer who has paid his hard earned money on this movie and is continuing to do so multiple times .... versus a SUCHARITA TYAGI .... who has watched the movie in a press screening .... Then there is something wrong with the mentality or intelligence level or sanity of that movie goer .... Because they seem to imply by their argument that all intelligence of the world / of art / of moral high ground .... Solely rests with the lot who are forced to watch such movies like Kabir Singh in press screenings .... So that they can do a service to people who care to watch a review before going for a movie
And I find that truly shocking and something I don't agree with !!
People for the longest time have enjoyed movies on all subjects for all kinds of reasons, for all kinds of moods they are feeling at that time .....
And to bracket the young generation of our country or the slightly older people like us ... Who got to relive our past breakups and all the toxic feelings which we all experienced in some degree or the other ((whether we acted on them or not is not the point)) via this movie .... I ask, why is that feeling bad? Why is that feeling wrong? "
In addition .... To you I will say .... To see a pattern in her reviews .... See how she reviewed AQUAMAN & TOY STORY 4 ......
((I love both the movies for my own reasons))
In both the movie reviews ... See how her eyes and tone lights up when she talks about the role of Amber Heard and Nicole Kidman in AQUAMAN and Bo in Toy Story 4 .... Statements like .... "The women exist not just for filling character plot in the story .... they KICK BUTT" .....
It's like in all her work .... Women have to be strong and actually DO something to justify their beauty / their presence ....
Like Safeena in Gully Boy can be aggressive and crazy and warrant a movie just about her .... As long as she is a DOCTOR / SURGEON - whatever .....
Why? Safeena's anger and her hurt as a result of her not being able to live a normal life like her friends is justified .....
But Kabir's hurt on ruining his life because he overdosed and could not meet Preeti when she came to his house .... And the promiscuity and crazy that follows is NOT justified -- even though he himself is trying to fill a BIG VOID in his life ... And nothing else .... So if a lady is promiscuous or amoral ---- that's sexual liberation .... But if a man does it - it's "DEEPLY DEEPLY DISTURBING" ..... Makes me want to question as to what do the educated woman of today want from a man - because my son is growing up in this world
I think for SUCHARITA .... A woman has to be a dominating person in the relationship .... A vocal, outspoken, career focused woman is the only modern woman who can exist ....
In her universe there seems to be no space or recognition for a girl ... Who is may be more introvert, less outspoken, a bit more traditional yet has deep sexual desires, feels the need to stick to a man at all costs ..... likes it if he takes care of her and sees love in his protective and possessiveness ..... Because she was always willing .... All through their relationship - and through the long distance that follows
A SUCHARITA TYAGI .... does not see the progressiveness of this girl despite her lack of words ... In the very resolute stance she takes to have the baby ..... Even though she loses her new marriage and parents in the process --- to be a single, unmarried mother in today's judgemental times .... That's not a modern woman for SUCHARITA ..... Only a girl wearing modern clothes, owning her sexuality and living in the universe of a show like "4 More Shots Please" has the right to exist or dictate how every other woman can / should / must live
@@pragyabhardwaj5963 I gotta give it to you, as you've hit the "bulls eye", again. I mean, who doesn't wanna believe in a strong feminist idea? Most of the cultured people would strongly agree.
Also, the point you've made about NETFLIX, is an eye-opener. These are the same folks, who'd never want the streaming sites to be regulated, yet, they tend to show blind hatred towards a movie and that's just because a group of people enjoyed(Unfortunately, people like Sucharita doesn't wanna be associated with that part of the crowd).
It's ok to view a film with a moral perspective. It's not wrong. However, how naive is it when you apply this for one individual film? When adultery was still a crime a year ago, and there were movies which actually showed these things as normal. Why didn't these feminists spring into action? Weren't there movies that showed women smoking weed? It isn't cool either. These things were/are against the laws of our land. Yet, Sucharita didn't revolt against these things.
I understand that these are mean arguments but this is how you can counter argue people with fake feminazi ideas.
Having said that, if someone has personally experienced such things, then it's pretty much understandable. The trauma would still be there and they can never enjoy a film.
It is not just the viewers who need to be civil, it is also the reviewer who needs to be civil. I watched Sucharita's review of Kabir Singh and all she did was demean the movie from every possible angle. Nothing in the movie was acceptable to her. If she wants people to see her review as a review, then she needs to see a movie as a movie first.
Well said😍😍.
But parasites, pseudos,ultra feminists will be cheap....nothing to doo.......
Finally someone said it !
Very true
Holy Cow! Bharadwaj has made me fall in love with him with how articulate and respectful he is in expressing such a controversial opinion. I for one am with him word for word. To the point of even loving Lolita! Will start following him ASAP.
For the love of God put some time stamps for an hour long episode discussing various films.
Exactly
Most sensible person is sit between two immature individual
It is a movie
Talks about his acting, cinamatography, dialogue delivery not your personal opinion
Kabir Singh discussion starts at 7:13
@@vinuthanv7676 thank you
Vinuthan V brother you are a legend thank you
the dumb struck faces of sucharitha and rahul at 15:05 when Mr.Bhardwaj said some reviewers mix their personal ideologies in reviews is one of the highlights of this conversation
sandeep Hegerse On point😂😂
Sucharita SHOULD shove the script
Sucharita is unbearable.
Savage 😂😂
AND AFTER THE BLOCKBUSTER SUCCESS OF KABIR SINGH❤SUCHARITA MUST HAVE REALISED HOW INSIGNIFICANT SHE IS😂...n she be like:"OH BHAI..MARO MUJHE MARO.... MUJHE MARO.....NHI YE KYA MAZAK CHL RHA KYA😂😂😂
Bharadwaj Rangan is gold. He gave it left, right and centre to sucharitha and rahul in a nice and polished manner.
He mostly rambled! Too many words, but too less content.
Yes.... no real point he made. Just fluff! Bleh
@@rimapir599 that's true.....BUT SANDEEP REDDY'S INTERVIEW SLAPPED THEM😂😂😂😂😂
Saanvi Sinha thats your opinion. Many know that he is just a talker and many many don’t understand his logic and it doesn’t become correct just because many say he was great at answering.
My verdict about the movie aligns with those of Sucharita's and Rahul's but I'm awed by the way Bharadwaj Rangan sought this discourse and put forth his own viewpoint with such eloquence and gallantry.He sure is one film critic to be reckoned with.
Harsh Ghosh it’s true but I’m not sure he was convincing. It was just one opinion. But yes we should respect that opinion.
@@MrPeeps3 Is it? I am of the opinion that he made his stance crystalline and unassailable. Nobody could have me concede to the rationality of the opposite opinion if it was not for Bharadwaj Rangan.
Well! To each his own .Let's agree to disagree,buddy!😊
Harsh Ghosh exactly I respect your opinions but unfortunately cannot agree
@@MrPeeps3 You don't have to agree,dear! You're entitled to your own opinion! Cheers! Good night!
Hello, I just dropped by to appreciate your vocabulary sincerely😀🙏🏻
Also, Baradwaj Rangan is best critic of the country for a reason. He earned and deserves it.
Completely agree with you
@@manthemanmantheman6611 Man like hirani made film like sanju where women are offended in volumes and you want his review. Slow claps buddy.
I watched KS twice, and both the times there was pin drop silence when Preeeti was slapped. And when he was slapped, audience actually laughed .
@Harsha Prakash Exactly!!!!
When i watched, there were college going group who were cheering every wrong thing done by KS, made me uncomfortable. People were clapping, different people see it differently.
True. In fact I watched 11pm night show of the movie , and hall was filled with men, but no one applauded when preeti was slapped. Infact a guy sitting behind me, abused kabir singh.
@@iaintabloodysquid1497 Are you Pakistani national or a white guy ,trapped in a ugly indian 's body ??
I agree and I watched it twice too. No cheering or clapping but a pin drop silence and some were shocked in the cinema halls when Kabir slapped Preeti.
The collection is over 200 CR and she says women feel uncomfortable 😂😂good sense of humor
Who says women are not misogynistic
We are sexist
We are brought up that way
Regular girls are brought with the notion you are working have a degree you are empowered
We think emotional abuse is possessiveness
It did. Just because the collection was high that does not mean that women can't feel uncomfortable , even my mom did.
@@lollllllllll1000 I put forward the point saying women are liking this character as well. Are looking at story as intense love. Justifying it
SHIKHA SINHA that's also true , I won't deny that. Once again the problematic themes of this movie is not so harsh that it would collectively invoke this feeling of uneasiness but also disregarding the emotions of certain people whether it be men or women and rather than engaging in conversation about it , I've seen people who simply put of up the box office success as some sort of answer to it which isn't right in my opinion . I can't simply ask a person to not enjoy this film nor should people demean my or other's emotions by simply telling us to enjoy the film and move on and to take me "feminist ass" somewhere else. That's just funny .
@@lollllllllll1000 I agree with you. People started to use feminist word like it's abusive language.
I was uncomfortable with the screenplay not story. I know it's raw real. But in our country where sanitary pads and condoms are taboo to buy from medical stores there expecting maturity from crowd to see film as film(which is massy) is not true. We know how sexist misogynistic we are. Men are pressurised to be a sole breadwinner of the family physically strong. Women are supposed to be timid submissive and working(oh we are modern) in major areas. This film terrifies me for sure.
When in industry like Bollywood Vikas Behl get not guilty card while so many people accused him and many more examples
And Hollywood collectively throws the predators publicly
What can we expect people will not be affected this behaviour
We don't see film as film
Baradwaj Rangan is the only true critic here, rest 3 are pseudos.
Sucharita asks why r people reacting so strongly?
Ans - because u were derogatory to the movie inspite of reviewing it....
Baddie has literally given a lesson in movie reviewing.
This guy is too good.
A reason he has won national award for film reviewing
I feel like, from the way he speaks and constructs his (il)logic, that some of his grey cells are a bit slow to wake up.
The problem is that mundane people don't understand the influence of mass media on human psychology.... Can anyone deny that the utopian idea of love and marriage has been propagated by films all along since its inception.... And can anyone deny the distorted version of romance disguised through male protagonist harassing the female protagonist and she succumbing to that is not being followed by boys and girls in real life
Dipmala Dutta its all a part of agenda , this channel is just a sub part of secret society which are controling the world.
@@MyRahulpathak true.. Very true... And we fall prey to these tactics and strategies... I feel sorry for myself
I m pretty aware , I m always intent to neutralize the hatred promoted by media & bollywood to vulnerable people.
Very nicely said. This is exactly why film makers should be more responsible
What do you suggest? Another censor board to censor stories you think are “amoral” ?
I think the release of a movie like Kabir Singh post the MeToo movement is drawing the kinds of extreme reactions that we are seeing around us. There has been so much conversation about the vagaries of toxic masculinity and the way we as a society treat women, in the last one year, that now a mainstream Indian movie which seemingly endorses the other side of the spectrum has left many (including Sucharita) overwhelmed with shock and disbelief. On the other hand, there is a huge section of the audience who have felt emotionally engaged with the love story at the core of the movie (as Anupama pointed out). This section has taken tremendous offense with people who have criticized the movie on grounds of glorifying a problematic character, and their attitude towards defending the movie can largely be underpinned to 3 arguments: a) there is a precedence of a number of movies made in India as well as in the West where the central or supporting characters have been hugely problematic, but all of them have been "let off the hook" and found redemption by the end of the movie, b) people in the audience have the mental faculty to judge what's problematic and what's not (eg: people don't go around killing others after watching Gangs of Wasseypur), and c) there is no need to look at everything through the lens of urban India's newly found "wokeness" about women's issues, just let a film be a film (this argument, although not explicitly articulated at most places, has implicit indications almost everywhere).
My take on this is there is a fundamental difference between the problematic-ness of Kabir Singh and the central characters of other movies which are being cited by people in favour of this movie, films such as Wolf of Wall Street, Don, Taxi Driver, Gangs of Wasseypur etc. : there is no general consensus yet on the ethical and moral aspects of the actions undertaken by Kabir Singh. Bharadwaj Rangan cited Lolita as a book where the central character is a despicable man, but the way the book is written you as a reader never end up not rooting for him. But the question we need to ask ourselves is this: is there a general consensus that raping a minor is wrong? Yes. Same is true for killing people - there is a general consensus that it is wrong, and a majority of the population believe. In fact people who don't believe killing other people is wrong is termed "sick" by the society. But in case of Kabir Singh, is there a general consensus that a man being in command of a relationship to the point where he controls the actions of the other person is wrong? No. The conversation around women's issues and insidious abuse against them is still at such a nascent stage in our society that there is still no hard line that has been drawn to evaluate what's acceptable and what is not. And this is the crux of the problem with Kabir Singh - that it has come out at a time where it can influence our collective consciousness regarding women's issues and build a general consensus around it; not the fact that a problematic character finds redemption and a happy ending without having to answer for his actions.
P.S: I think what Rahul meant when he said that other films with a central problematic character are all tragedies is not that they all have sad endings, but that there is a tremendous irony underlying the plot, which recognizes truth as it is but also questions its existence.
great insight
More people need to read this.
You nailed a very complex problem in few paragraphs, thank you!
I’m going to Screenshot this. Whatta brief! Wow!
Well said! Bravo!
"Wolf of wall Street is a tragedy..." Ghanta tragedy he literally escapes most of his sentence and makes millions from his presentations... It even tells you at the very end he is prosperous
@@atruenut in that sense Kabir Singh is also a tragedy and his point is invalid then
It is a tragedy , he's a bad person and bad things happened with him it's Di Caprio because of whom we sympathise with Belfort but he lost kids, wife, house, job went to prison it is a tragedy
But the way the film has been directed, or even the way Leonardo has played the character, do you aspire to become him?
Hey guys first of all both of these movies are different and...secondly why is it necessary to see if the movie is morally correct , has morally correct characters and all that stuff.
You see a movie you think about it for sometime then you forget about it. Filmmaking is an art form and this movie is just another piece of art (plz don't take this piece of art line like I'm saying it is the biggest film ever made). It's just so disturbing to see so much of hate for a movie. So where were people when Salman bhai slapped the actress in Bandhan. I have seen many south indian movies in which the actress is slapped where were all this people then, nobody said anything about them. End of the day it's just a movie so do not take it too seriously and start a rant about filmmakers moral values,ethics, upbringing etc.
@@rohitsen4289 literally thats the point of my comment... these so called citric are hypocritical when it comes to Kabir Singh but in awe when its a Hollywood representation of a faulty character
When film reviewers do not respect art(movie) makers, then why reviewers expect respect from public? Baddy has nailed it really today. His experience and maturity shows in his work. He does deserve national film award!
AC: please get many such reviewers onboard in FC.
Regarding Kabir Singh: People are able to treat fiction as fiction unless it is so close to their truth that it crosses the line...
I had watched sucharita's review before watching the movie and I might not have noticed the flaws with the character had I not heard her perspective...
You’d think but unfortunately not. As someone who was born and brought up in the West travelling through India the second question I got asked was “were women from the West really loose?” When I asked them where they got that idea from their reply was, from their films.
I spent a year travelling through India and went to nearly every state, and that was a regular question.
People who have been brought up in not so modern households, who have not seen women being treated as equals. People who copied hairstyle and demeanor of Salman after Tere naam, people who have been misinformed about feminism and equal rights. People who judge a girl's character by her dress or by her friend circle, people who think it is okay to hit their sister or gf or wife because they did not comply with their will. People who think women will be the safest if they confine themselves within the 4 walls will not demarcate between fiction and reality. They will glorify and idealise this character. I understand there are prudent people who can differentiate and understand that movies are movies but the majority of young minds and those who try inculcating every goddamn thing they see on screen are not going to understand that whatever was shown is not right. See the bigger picture. One movie might not affect but many others like these will definitely. The same story is being made in every language now. This is not right. Normalizing anything bad is disturbing the public policy.
@@shwetachaubey6401 Well said ! 👍
@@shwetachaubey6401 u know men in theatre laugh when he slapped her.and i m from Maharashtra so guess how many have enjoyed it in North. I mean they was glorifying it.
@@harishrathod3687 yes I know. Not many men are understanding why this is a major problem and why this movie and many like this need to be called out.
Perhaps from a purely academic sense of gauging art on can remain objective and therefore not be affected by social impact that art creates.. However, when a girl from Delhi (for example) watches a film like this, having witnessed the grossest form of mysogyny, male toxicity that spreads far and deep in the life around her spreading across class divides... she can't help but react the way Sucharita did. The perceived validation is real, it's impact is real, the fear is real...
Media... particularly popular media has a duty towards society. It is mentioned in Civics. Women in this society are very unsafe... the dangers are deep rooted and internalized... Oppressing women is genuinely considered love. I shudder.
But are you fine with those films inwhich women sleep around like sluts, masturbate, ask bartender's dick size, glorifying porn actress life, etc? The issue is with these so-called Sucharita being egoistic and reacting only to those that have not satisfied her ego. A guy slapping a girl ks wrong but the girl slapped the guy multiple times in the film and people smiled and laughed when during that time. No reaction to that? Where's equality when we need it?
Only a kabir singh can save a nirbhaya from happening again.. A pussy bf would save his own life
Theoretically sounds very correct. But responsible media? Now that's reaching for the stars. Look at news channels, serials or even TV commercials in India. So much so that even a full fledged channel airs campaign programs with elan.
thank you. It's hard to view a film dispassionately when you are living that reality every day.
Thank you - your pov is exactly in line with mine and therefore Im still receiving hate comments for writing against the film. Its so easy to see men triggered over a mere movie - imagine how aggressive these men are in their private lives! And they are actually proud about it.
Sucharita might conviniently say she was just reviewing the film but in reality, she got personal and all that she did in her video was character assessment, like 90% of the video. She did not mention a single word about a badly made oe a well made scene, technical departments work and anything about the film as a whole. She has a lot to learn for being a reviewer and in front of Anupama and Bharadwaj, she is looking so small.
Improve your personality Sucharita. Learn some professionalism and understand your job description better. Don't let your ego interfere with your review.
Sucharita said somewhere (not here )that she is attacked after the blockbuster of kabirsingh. ..she says that her dreams got shattered😂😂😂which totally means she is an egoistic person
What people don't realize is that if Kabir Singh made you feel uncomfortable, it was supposed to. It did exactly what it set out to do. With Arjun Reddy and now Kabir Singh, the director Sandeep Vanga is only exhibiting a different kind of genre by narrating the story from the perspective of a protagonist who's grossly flawed. For once we are shown the film through the prism of grey rather than the extremes of black or white. Because the story unfolds from his perspective, Kabir thinks he's the right kind of man, always in the right, wronged by circumstances and justifies his alcohol and substance abuse on the same basis, which is typical of any addict. It's also why his misogyny and dominance is apparently glorified and lionized, because it's through his perspective that we are shown the movie. Throughout the duration of the movie, he doesn't realize the fact that the fault lies solely with him. That it's his nature that's rotten, not his destiny.
Throughout the film, we are shown his downward spiral into insanity, almost feeling a sense of suffocating hopelessness as though we too are infected by his self-inflicted agony. Vijay/Shahid both did a great job in conveying this torment in their respective renditions of the character. This misery continues till the very end, up to the point where we as an audience have given up any kind of hope of redemption for the protagonist, when he does a 360 degree turn by finally acknowledging his problem and sets out to seek salvation. I didn't find anything remotely wrong about this movie. The film doesn't in any way glorify the character. On the contrary it makes you feel disgusted and repulsed by him to the extent that you'd never even think of following his lifestyle. You'd completely abhor it. Personally, speaking from experience, as a person who's never had alcohol or consumed drugs or been a domineering misogynist for that matter, the film rather than giving me a wrong message instead made me all the more determined not to stray on to such a path. You literally end up begging the character to mend his ways. The supporting characters in the movie like Kabir's brother and his friends are all the while trying to draw him out of his ruination but to no avail. This film is in fact a very revolutionary step in Indian cinema, depicting a story about a flawed man, languishing in a greyish-dark space rather than lily-white or pitch-black. Usually our films don't go into that area. The film actually delivers a positive message that you can start redeeming yourself even when you touch the rock bottom of hell as long as you possess the will to do so. When Kabir is at his lowest point after being debarred from his profession and having suffered a personal tragedy, he is at the rock bottom of his pit and he has to make the choice whether he wants to remain confined to the darkness of the pit for eternity in a limbo or start climbing out of it. He does the latter and thus the film after subjecting us to a lot of darkness and discomfiture for most of its runtime leaves us with the teensiest glimmer of hope. Just like life. What's also notable is that in the end he tries to convince Preeti for once to come back to him rather than imposing his will on her. Before she reveals that the child she's carrying is his own, Kabir believes it belongs to her spouse and yet he is ready to accept Preeti with her child and raise it as his own. Now isn't that quite a progressive step that the director took? Kabir is shown to have evolved and matured from someone who would never tolerate any other male near Preeti to someone who wants Preeti back in his life with a child he initially believes to be someone else's. This is a point these critics choose to ignore for the sake of peddling their respective personal agendas.
For all those who were unsettled and disturbed by the movie, as I said earlier, it was supposed to make you feel so. The superlative acting and technical expertise made the movie a worthwhile experience.
I wish all these ultra-feminists and so-called liberals watch this movie with an open mind and learn to accept a posture distinct from their own. Especially since this breed cries hoarse when accusing the right wing of trying to distort history and current narratives to impose their points of view, when they are themselves intolerant to those of others. To deny that people like Arjun Reddy/Kabir Singh exist, would be denying the harsh reality of society. These are the same people who whoop and clap when Swara Bhaskar masturbates and abuses her husband on screen.
I wish you could post this else where. Coz you wrote so well. that this needs to be read by more people and shouldn't remain in the comment section.
Wow..you hit the nail on its head....wish the nail would hit the critics' heads as well. They are crying hoarse about the first scene where he tries to force a woman at knife point which is really just to show how disgusting he has become , but they are not mentioning anything about the climax where like you said, he is ready to accept her with another man's child and that is indeed so progressive for an Indian male.....I quite liked the movie and the character does have a lot of positives as well.
Cmon dude get some perspective...u are hell bent in proving how ppl like kabir deserve redemption...wat about ppl who r at de receiving end of such narcissists...tomo if ur gf or sister gets kissed by some random guy on road who thinks like kabir Singh(afteral he represents de raw emotions of youth!) Tell her to understand his psyche n empathise wid him...there is no harm in giving him redemption...provided he faces some consequences of his mistakes...if pissin in her pants n getting suspended is de kind of consequence one has to suffer for his nasty disgusting violent behaviour( which has no rationale..no reasoning except for pure narcissism.he was as disgusting human bein even before he met preethi .) Then all those dying and swearing by his name today wld b tomo's kabir Singh...u don't drink don't smoke or claim not to b a misogynist thts y u think u won't turn into a kabir Singh...but sadly u have no insight that ppl who inherently have inclinination towards this or young impressionable minds wld derive too much invincibility n justification of their behavior from it...ur so called feminists r least bothered..they wld newys show a kabir Singh their place if he meddles wid their life..sadly they r bothered about so many vulnerable females who get eveteased and abused every day by such nasty self-proclaimed kabir singhs...every drunkard thinks he can drive perfectly well when he is drunk...ask for once de one who comes under his car..every kabir Singh will think he is cool..ask de ones who have suffered from such kabirs n then give ur perspective...de director either lacked de vision or skill to portray his redemption or he wld have kept atleast some time to show his consequences and hardships before he achieves this on de platter redemption....grow up dude...de least we need in 2019 is to patronise these redundant self proclaimed fools who get it all their way!!
What a great piece of writing yaar. Exactly my views
bhai itna lambhaaaaa,
pad nahi paya poora. but understood ur emotional view
Thats why I like baradwaj rangan. He sees movie as just a movie.
Its Real "Companion" now..north and south 👍🙂
Woohooooo 🤩
😍😍
Impressed by bharadwaj always knew he is smartest of the bunch.
I don't get sucharita's logic. According to her a bad character who resembles real-life people shouldn't be awarded a happy ending!! That is insane. In The usual suspects, the bad guy got away without any punishment. Fight Club, Silence of the lambs, Nightcrawler and a countless number of films rewarded the villain or problematic characters with a happy ending. And in real life, most of the guy in colleges behave like that!! it is necessary to condemn their behaviour rather than criticising a film showcasing something that resembles a real-life character. It is a film and the director expressed his perception which he has the right to do. Saying he should have done in the other way is the complete violation of democratic expression. At the end of the day, it is a story and it is not something will force people to become assholes.
Even Srk in Don and Don 2 had a happy ending where he brings his dialogue, "Don ko pakar na mushkil nahi nahmunkin hai". Does that mean the movie is glorifying theft. Wtf is wrong with people??
i agree with anupama, let's be civilized, let's start this with sucharita.
😂😂😂😂😂🔥
She said in her review "this movie is made twice?? And we need it to exist two times" and now says it has every right to exist.... What a hypocrite....
Ders 1 more coming?
These ‘experts’ praised Ranveers character Khilji a while back...Lol
Perfect example is sanju . Ranveer is in negative role in that movie.
@@saktiprasadswain6546 he goes to jail, gets called for his actions in the film and the infamous line of "300 women" was highly criticized too. so a flawed logic.
if you empathized with khilji at the end of the film than go see a psychiatrist.
Ya but there was no love story between Rani Padmavati and Khilji.... Khilji was always seen as a villain by Rani Padmavati. But here there is a love story between the 2 protagonists which is shown to be beautiful which is problematic.
Talk about the scene in Sanju where ranbir puts the toilet seat and the scene where he talks about sleeping with more than 300 women, people in the theatre were cheering and laughing. But jab Ghar ki film Hain to kyu koi sawaal uthayega, BC business main farak padega na isliye.
Yes sucharita i was influenced by jai ho. Pls pass this comment to three more people. 🙄
🤣🤣😂
Such stupid comment...
@@dishadogra4233 Diana you're stupid
@@dishadogra4233 you are stupid
haha this is epic
Sucharita was soooo pissed by Baddie's smart and well-intentioned replies lollll
Message to every film maker-
Agli baar se Sucharita se pooch ke hi koi bhi film banana. 🙏
loda
Mr Bharadwaj Ranganathan has such vast knowledge regarding movies
44:51 - I don't want movies to be guided by the moral forces. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Sorry sucharita, you come across as a very immatured person, who is taking this very personally (it seems like that)
Should see her expression when baddy is explaining🤣🤣
I think everyone has a right to opinion. You may agree or disagree that's your choice. It was Sucharita's opinion and many would agree or disagree. Not everyone could be on the same boat. That's how things work. But making a video..which starts and ends in abuses and slangs for a person..just because your views didn't resonate with hers ..is outright derogatory. You could disagree...but do that with grace. In the name of "roasting"...you were just using an array of abusive words.
You want to contradict her..do that with logic and your views about the movie. Why stooping so low ?? That wasn't at all cool in case you thought it was.
And here I am talking about one Lakshya Chaudhary.
You said it!
i totally agree man.....thanks for putting it out .
Slang and abuse are still part of their opinion.
@@sudevsen See. How nicely you made your point..without using slangs. That's exactly what I was talking about.☺
@@sudevsen And abuses of any kind shouldn't be encouraged ..be it physical or verbal. Choice of words very much shed a light on your upbringing. Harsh..but true.
43:14 real action starts in the right bottom of the video.
hahahahahaha baddie is living up to his name.
Hahahah
Thank you
hahahahahah mja aagya bhai 🤣🤣🤣
Lol
45:00 The most horrible person can have a happy ending--- very true .This line should be understood by sucharita.
I love how frustrated Sucharita is in this video. Multiple times she is like I can't even.. :'D
This comment 😇
That's because she is a child who doesn't know anything beyond her surrounding life.
@@maramanand1 Exactly, when Bardwaj and Anupama are sensibly squashing her arguments, Sucharita rants or broods in response. So not done! Bardwaj can seriously teach a lesson or two abbout the job of a film critic to Desai and Sucharita
She's kind of annoying.
@@firstlast-wb7op ur comment is on point
I wish the girl had a reason to be with such a guy in Kabir Singh and more screen time.
People who made the film dont care about women.They only.exist as accessories in men's lives according to the movie.
@@sudevsen you owe it to the society if you call yourself a professional.
Existing in a mainstream Indian romantic movie is more than enough a reason.
Romance is dead. Indians dont have reasons to love among caste, religion, money. Charismat is buried deep down. Guys have no idea how to ask out the new age of women or vice versa. So control is celebrated because that is what makes sense to them.
Sudev Sen right he was just reeling in his own sadness created by his own alter ego.
Though I feel I personally react to a movie taking in my ideology with me, I completely understand Baradwaj Rangan and his example of "Lolita". What you people are talking about is whether to give prevalence the ethical over the stylistic perspective or the other way around. Rangan here seems to be pointing out how sometimes the text (here the film)in spite of its disgusting subject matter, turns out popular or is celebrated just because of its literary power, what the formalists called the "literariness" of a text. In fact sometimes the whole point of creating such narratives is to prove that the aesthetics can make the ugly look cool I guess though in case of Kabir Singh I am not sure that the Director wanted to do that. Anyways, loved the discussion. Good to hear such genuine yet cultured statements.😊😊
please include Baradwaj Rangan more often, I could keep listening on to him.
She wanted redemption from filmmakers and she received it from audiences
Baradwaj Rangan as Baddie. This video's like a drama in itself.
And his views enriches your sensibilities
True. No wonder he is a national award winner.
Dear Anupama, I don't know who owns the Film Companion channel but when it started it was a channel which showed unbiased authentic views about films. It celebrated good cinema. But after sitting through this hour long discussion I realized that you are sitting with a woman by the name Sucharita whom I really admired in the past. But here she was almost blatantly trying to impose her opinion on others. It's okay that she didn't like the film. But she can't force her opinion on others. I saw a recent talkshow of hers on NDTV where she kept smirking at Shekhar Suman just because he had a different opinion than hers. And throughout this entire interview there was not one mention about the performance of the protagonist of the film. This blatantly shocked me. And on the other side there's Rahul. Who just kept on going about how Ranbir Kapoor plays toxic masculinity better than anyone. Don't get me wrong. Ranbir is great. But you don't even mention Shahid's name or his performance in an interview which is about his film and yet you keep on blabbering about Ranbir's other movies. It was just downright spiteful. I really thank you Anupama for clearly stating that you connected with the film otherwise Sucharita would've kept on blabbering lies about how millions of girls texted her about not feeling safe while/after watching the movie. So much spite. I know that these two are no one and their opinions have zilch importance. The Indian audience have had their say and it is showing how much love they have showered over the film and Shahid's performance. I'm just saying this because I've been watching your channel since it's inception and have been a fan since. But that spark of unbiased unadulterated opinions is fading away from the channel. So while you keep pointing fingers at toxic masculinity also address the toxicity that your critics are inhibiting.
Shadman Mahmud : agree word by word!!
This ain’t how movie review is done! And yes, Iam a woman... but just didn’t like her “ holier than thou” attitude at all.
@@pemquirk6192 glad you see my point 😊
Yeah well said
@@shadmanmahmud9849 Bro, I’m relatively a new comer to FC. And your comment is precisely what I felt about Sucharita’s integrity as a reviewer. Well-made points.
The simple reason for the strong reactions is - 20 years back when we had Darr, Anjaam and countless other films with the guy stalking the girl and obsessing over her, the audience was not as educated on topics like women's consent and sexual harassment etc. Today, in the age of MeToo, many amongst the educated understand that the movies of 80's and 90's glorifying eve teasing, stalking was trash. And the last time the lead character did that in a movie, he was either the villain or the anti-hero who loses in the end (like Darr). Hence Kabir Singh that shows the so called 'hero' engaging in such behavior (and emerging a winner! in the end) is unexpected in the age of Pink and MeToo and a step backward for Bollywood. Call it #AntiPink. Wonder what Shoojit Sircar has to say on this movie.
the movie is showing middle finger to fake feminists by crossing 200crs
@Jatin Kaushik Ok, so MeToo and women's consent is fake feminism. Then please educate us on what topics are covered in real feminism. Or you don't believe in feminism at all? I think it's the latter because women's consent forms the crux of feminism.
@@anner5981 why would preeti and audience fall in love with Arjun Reddy and Kabir Singh if they would be unsafe and insecure about his toxic masculinity? The female character was equally nutcase FYI. So feminism is in head of feminists n not in character of heroine or audiences who r loving this movie. Oh by the way Kabir Singh is crossing 200 cr and will soon make 300 cr. Of course it would not be possible without female audience repeat viewing as well isn't it?
@@devdeepmukherji6669 As I said, the 'educated' understand the importance of consent today and are unhappy with certain aspects of the movie. I don't mean college/university education but the ones who educate themselves on social issues. But in a patriarchal and mostly non-educated society I am not surprised that Kabir Singh (with a charismatic hunk like Shahid Kapoor) is a hit. The same applies to Preeti's character. She's a product of the patriarchal society where women don't have a say and fall for the one who showers attention regardless of good or bad kind.
@@devdeepmukherji6669 It was not Preeti who fell in love with Kabir, it was the writers imagination of Preeti that fell in love with Kabir. A male writer, mind you. He has all the creative freedom to write down the character of his fanatsy. But seeing how he trivializes the women characters and their portrayal in the movie by using them for thrills, claps, and cheers for the mainstream audience,(just like how women are used in item songs), I dont think you should come to a conclusion that Preeti as a character is an indicator of how women would behave in real life or Kabir is an indicator of what women find attractive in men.
The women who watch the movie might only be liking it because they like to watch their heartthrob Shahid Kapoor being possessive with his girl, and they all know that Shahid Kapoor as a person in real life, atleast in the way he presents himself, is not a real asshole. It could be that they are privileged and socially unaware as well. Women have watched Fifty Shades of Grey in hoardes too, but if a guy ever behaves with them like a Christian Grey or Kabir Singh, I would hazard a guess, that they would remove their chappals and thrash him.
Say tomorrow if there is a movie that is ethically ambiguous with its presentation of casteism, humorizing the abuse, where the abuser gets a heroic background score, and the abused, unaware of his rights, tolerates his abuse, would you still dismiss the concerns of the people by labeling it under "Activism"? I mean not all of us are casteists. I am sure such a movie would find supporters too, considering how regressive the mindset of our country is, despite it being democratic in the books.
The movie has been released for mass consumption. It has a wide reach. It has the capacity to influence minds. It already is a product of a centuries old mindset.The world has moved on, but for most Indian men, women are these shy submissive robotic creatures that exist to fulfill their unrealistic and childish romantic fantasies. It has to be criticized if it is insensitively portrays the violation of the agency and dignity of a particular class of a society. Because the idea, the movie, is put out into the society, not the directors house or bedroom.
That bald fellow is right ... the girl in black t-shirt should learn film reviewing from him.
That (black t-shirt) girl is more happy for million views and I guess she will keep on doing this kind of over the board revies just to gain fame...
The last line of her, where she says GHANTA FAME..trust me and I am 1000% sure that she is extremely happy from inside for her short term bubble fame...
Lolita's reference was goooooood. Brings into perspective a lot of things since I've read it and also loved it.
But tamasha is not tragedy rahul my friend ,yeh jawanni is not tragedy
aravind kumar lol, thanks for pointing! Kuch bhi bol detha hai!
Ikr!! Just to prove a point he came across as irrelevant.
But tamasha n yjhd mein the hero was not as big a jerk..
the problem is not the film as every character good or bad deserves a good film but the problems arises when "laundas" cheer him and idolize him which i am sure some of them have already done and i am not pulling this out of my a** you can see those who gave a positive reaction to the character of kabir singh ( not the film the character specifically) were predominantly young men and that's terrifying...
shahid kapoor is not entirely at fault because as he said he cannot define a character and then play it, it goes against his job as an actor, the real culprit is the director and the screenwriter who wrote a story in which a bad person who is a threat to society can get away with doing anything he wants.
and please don't justify this by comparing it to raman raghav or avengers ( yes i've seen people doing it) or game of thrones.
and if you still don't find kabir singhs character problematic put your sister in the girl's place and think about it.
Movie is responsible to how it shows the actions of hero.
If it plays romantic music when hero is being abusive,audience is being td this is what "romance" looks like and audience ends up romanticism abuse.
@@sudevsen very true.
I would also hold Shahid at fault. If you could read the lines between his (almost emotional)reaction to the criticisms it would be something like this:
"Hey come on now! I am finally getting a blockbuster movie and you guys are all ruining it with criticisms and all. Leave me to just bask in the glory of all the praises".
Ayushmann Khuranna, I feel, puts this guy far behind, not only in the sheer quality of his talent, but also in maturity, understanding and sensitivity. Not that every actor is answerable to the roles they portray, but atleast have the guts and the social awareness to acknowledge that the character you portrayed is not exactly someone worth praising. Instead he goes tangent and explains how Kabir Singh is a character pure of heart, and how we all have a little Kabir Singh in us and all. Like the senseless spiritual mumbo-jumbo of some Indian gurus. Hilarious.
@@neo-noiranathubronthan6045 to be honest i also felt he was being a little too defensive about it , but maybe my comment came from my bias towards him( he is one of my favorite actors) and the way he compared kabir to tommy singh of udta punjab was very stupid too.
It is a blockbuster...Most times Public is the best judge of the movies.
Faizal Riaz Hussein Islam tells to beat women if they are disobedient. So obviously a Muslim like you will say it's great.
Lol..Movie Lover 89 u seem to be a Islam/Muslim hater. Violence happens to both men & women from any religion. Sorry I dont have narrow mind like you to blame any religion😀🙏
@@prashantsingh9068 u take movies seriously so u hate it
Get some board mind my dear north Indian chutiya
@@FaizalRiazHussein well said bhai
@@prashantsingh9068 Im Hindu and I absolutely loved the film.
Sucharita didn't see the movie as just a movie, but rather she took it personally. But she expects audience to see her review as just a review and not take it personally. What logic 🤦🤷
Baddie makes so much sense and I love the way he looks at movies and does full justice as a reviewer. Film companion Bollywood for god sake get reviewers like him before you loose your viewers.
Bhardwaj sir: Sucharita, that's a price of Fame
Sucharita: Ghanta Fame... ,😂😂
She made my day...
She lost the battle and her ego was hurt
Because you're a beta male . That's why she"made your day"
Baradwaj Rangan should be there in every discussion his inputs are just so awesome
Balasubramanian Prithiviraj Yeah
He goes into extreme depth
I feel he can convince and distract really well with his eloquence, sometimes with, sometimes without very formidable logic.
Basically the whole video is about, two veteran teachers schooling the kids..
akash maharana And they still don’t get it. That’s the saddest part of their views.
Only if you would have listened to them without any of your personal biases you would have known how thoughtful points were made by Rahul and Sucharita. Special Rahul, he made excellent arguments
@@NileshKumar-nr2vj I listened it man.. Again you are taking sides..
@@evan3087 I think they are very smart. They know very well how to come to limelight. By disagreement
akash maharana Who gives a fuck about their limelight. Some morons do give them importance, let them. I’m here to throw actual light on them
Kabir singh is a story of an Narcopath (Narcsasistic Sociopath ) and low self esteemed empath... If there is part 2 and in real life. This relationship is doomed. He will cheat and abuse her. He couldn't take the rejection more than losing her.
Yaasss third wave feminist...😂🤣
Fyi..
Most feminists ( speaking from personal opinion ) are "narcopaths " ( using your terminology )...
Sucharita with her justification for wolf of Wall Street is the bullshitiest thing I have ever heard.
For once Rahul appearing in a colour other than BLACK!
Anu and Rahul twinning!
👍
Waited for so long!
So are Sucharita and BR.
Well this convo is quite apt...the amount of talk u divided between between Article 15 and Kabir singh is directly proportional to collections of respective movies
Oof! r/woosh
The amount of manners that reflects in this bunch of people.. What a beautiful discussion and how nobody is cutting each others line, everybody is allowed to talk, evrybody is listening to eachother and how much they respect their seniors... :) great team FC!!
@@shrisub881 lets not name people.. :)
But sucharita judged who liked the film arjun reddy, thats the reason for the flake. If she didnt like it, fair enough. She moved forward to judging audience which she took it very personal in the first case, followed by the readers/viewers. She is behaving like I just did a film review, just covering up things
I completely agree with baddy because indeed it is upto the director to consider one particular kind of a story with his or her own unique kind of character arch ..
Thank you Sucharita for standing your ground.
Sucharita sees everything from the lens of feminism!
Pseudo feminism bro..asli feminism ka f bhi nahi pata sucharita ko..
@@PratikShinde182 ha tumhe bada pata hai... sikhado sabko... idiot...
@@dishadogra4233 jinhe sikhane ki zaroorat hai unko jaroor sikhayenge...
Lekin genuine feminists ko hi admission milega..
FemiNAZI like you are not allowed 🙂
@@PratikShinde182 yeah losers like you can only say this... it is expected out of your sheer stupidity and brainless ghatiya mentality...
Someone needs to have a conversation with Baddie about articulating your thoughts in a concise manner.
Yes. Even I miss what he said earlier in the same sentence
There are clauses, sub clauses and sub sub clauses 🤯
Why so
Fyi...
Kabir also got slapped by Preeti.. Should boys feel unsafe for that??
It's not abt a guy or girl... It's about the relation they have... Both are intense in the relationship..
And so the emotions are so extreme!!
The Kabir Singh is a character which is both protagonist and antagonist. They don't understand this simple fact and think they understand movies
Popcorn?Ready
Seats? Comfy
AC? Switched ON
Ok, I am ready for drama.Shuru hi jaaye tamasha
The problem with people watching movie reviews is that they forget that the person reviewing the movie is sharing his/her own subjective analysis of the movie. Unfortunately, people perceive it as an objective fact and they expect a review that's sort of like a scientifically objective theory, which is never the case. Another thing which I noticed is that this expectation is very prevalent for reviewers that are famous. So as long as you are relatively obscure, people do not expect the same sense of objectivity from you, but if you blow up and rake in millions of views, suddenly the expectation changes to that of an objective authority which I find it to be very interesting.
great insight
Exactly and there is never such a thing as unbiased movie review!!!
BR and Anupama are the only ones who are viewing it from a neutral point.
They are the only one matured.. other two are bachaas
It's hard to view movie neutrally
@@DeepakSingh-mm7bp no it's not. Go with story, with the flow.
@@user-oj7ch7if4n Males of this subcontinent are bachaas thats why there is so much chaos...!
"Stereotyping both men and women" should be Sucharita's motto in the life.
Sucharita after watching Kabir Singh: This film is misogynistic and what not.
In the film Sanju, Sanju in front of his wife says he has slept with more than 300 women.
Sucharita after watching Sanju -- oops cant comment on it, It a "CONFLICT OF INTEREST", meanwhile let me celebrate 2M views of my movie review :)
Privilege is a funny thing. It makes you unaware of the country, unaware of the problems and unaware of the effects of cinema on the common person. I understand Baddies point about wanting to see exquisite work regardless of the atrocities of the content, but honestly, if you truly look at our country and interact with the people that such content has an effect on you will realize that is a selfish desire. We are currently a country of devotees. Devoted to a god, a star, a person, an idea. This is a reflection of or culture, in tandem with the fact that we are a developing country and still have poor education for most. This means a large portion of our society is impressionable. As reviewers you always talk about seeing things in context. It's funny how you conveniently forget that there is the social context of the society that watches these movies. I'm not saying you need to be a beacon of righteousness, heck you can say you loved the film... but how can you not acknowledge that such a film DOES have an impact on our fragile, developing society and this is NOT the right time to be making such films... do you not have any sense of responsibility or are you just too blind to see the world around you?
Well. Said aditya jain
Sucharita neither has an intellectual capacity nor any nuance to have this conversation with these people. She's an ideologically possessed person.
ideologically possessed for attention!
28:00 sucharitha u said u didn't watch Arjun Reddy, then he do u know the background score at a particular scene and nodding head. Jhoootii or hatred towards the movie??
1 reason i did not unsubscribe from FC is because of Anupama mam. She is so detailed, even she is not from south she remembers Arjun Reddy so well. I just FC only for Anupama mam. Sucharita k liye to kb ta chhod jata. Dimaag karti hai.
Please remove "Article 15" from the title of the video.
This is for Sucharita....please rewatch your review. You are so agitated about the movie. You did not do a review dear. You were personal in it. If you had done it as a review and that's where the backlash exists.
True
@Take Care I hated the movie even before going deep into issues. It's terrible movie making
@Take Care hope you can see I am agreeing with you
Now let's talk consequences
1) the girl.wanting to sleep with a guy despite having a fiancée (no backlash)
2) the heroine slapping the hero ( yes she started it all) is taken as love
3) she showing up without consent to his place of masters and demanding a kiss in public.
There are a lot of examples but above all the movie sucked and needed to flop
Finally glad to see this discussion on FC. Thanks, Anupama for arranging this, you are the only person who truly agrees to disagree gracefully. Indeed Rahul and Suchitra couple of points were invalid still today they were giving their opinion decently which should be the way. And in my theatre during this slap scene, there was literally pin drop silence and could sense everyone around was uncomfortable. Really want to know in which threatre sucharita was into and it feels she exaggerate a bit as when anupama asks rahul who was with sucharita, he was bit confused and said yes two or three and seemed that it didn't bother him much which should have if it was same intensity with which sucharita is portraying. Also it's not the case that men are only loving it, lots of women equally endorse this movie not because they feel his actions are right or wrong or they are not enough feminist but because this flawed person goes through the entire journey, how you can say redemption has been so easy. He suffered a lot, his second half journey is all about his sufferings and this is how he comes out to be a better person and then received redemption. How only sad ending could justify this. Enough justification was there by the director just like tamasha which had a happy ending.
Thank you Sameeksha. This is exactly my thoughts. I really felt the same and I love the movie .I am really happy how beautifully u have portrayed ur views on the movie. KUDOS
@@neesha9270 🙂🙂
Suffered a lot? This makes stupid mistakes out of ego and arrogance and he is not willing to let go of his ego still and his ego and arrogance needs accoutabilty ...he never suffered abd he never realised his ego and arrogance not even in his 2nd half
Not a sad ending though but happy ending is never possible in that scenario of the movie a flawed toxic person will never have a happy ending unless the girl is 100% submissive which was shown exactly in the movie
The problem here is bharadwaj sir and anupama mam are seeing more of story and craft and remaining are injecting their personal prespective
A video of about 50 minutes, talks about an important and good film like Article 15 for less than 7 minutes and most part is given to the movie like Kabir Singh. Wish you guys spoke more about Article 15.
The true critic here is Baddie! Huge respect and the only reason to connect to FC. He is the only one who is neutral and mature. Sucharita and Rahul took it personally, no doubt they got the reactions which were extreme.
You spoke about Article 15 for less than 2 mins. 😒
I just started watching the episode.. And 6 min done now.. They r discussing inky article 15..no idea what video u watched
Anupama maam said during her concluding lines " Let's keep the discourse civilized, and make the world a better place for all of us. " And it was indeed the need of the hour as sucharita said " Ghanta Fame " to BR Sir who spoke in such a sensible, polite, and respectful manner to her all through out his conversation, and even empathised with her for the bulling she had recieved for opening up about her misogyny comments in her review about the movie. I could very well see change in reactions of BR sir as soon as she said it eventhough he pretended he was cool with it. Thanks BR Sir for maintaining the decorum, and upholding the basic ettiquettes of communication. Very Impressed Sir. :-)
Rahul's beard is more intense than Shahid in Kabir Singh.
Lol wut? How much ass kissing will you do?
Is this an attempt at a joke?
He is so pretentious.
@@Varyaone i wanted to say this since i saw his first interview on this channel . Man he is so pretentious you said it lol
Baradwaj Rangan has rather put everything in perspective. Shout out to the dude!! Only if all the reviewers were that mature enough.
It didn't got backlash from audience it is now a 200cr movie..it got backlash from idiots like Sucharita and Rahul who don't have idea about different filmmaking and are supporting feminism blindly and have problem with one scene where Kabir slapped Priti but don't have any problem with Veere di wedding and see it as a progressive film 😂
Ssly.......true. .....preeti slaps kabir many times....they overlooked it...such hypocrite