Real World MPG - *Diesel Vs Gas* 🤯- *Auto Vs Manual*
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- How much fuel did we each use on our 2 1/2 day adventure across the Rubicon? The Rubicon trail is a long arduous adventure through the mountains of northern California. The BleepinJeep team did it with Jeep Cherokee XJ's, Wrangler TJ's, in both automatic and manual transmissions, gasoline, and diesel engines. Lets take a look at the miles per gallon each vehicle took to run this epic trail!
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Hi, I have a question from my ignorance... i have a 2001 xj with 32" and mi 4.0lt engine reaches 15MPG with difficulty....axles are standard and I didn´t change any other issue related to this... in my country gasoline increases its price every week and I was thinking about doing a diesel swap (it costs here 25% less than Gas)....but I´m curious about the power that this VW engine can have for off-roading....can you tell us if apart from good MPG average, has your TJ good off-road performance? is there on your youtube site a video for watching an example? thanks in advance! greetings from santiago
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That doesn't surprise me. I had a long bed crew cab dally with a 6.2 liter diesel that go close to 22 mpg around town and it weighed over 6000 lbs. Great videos.
I drive an hour to work every day and back in my TJ with 33s...it takes about half a tank or roughly 9-10 gallons and $20-$25 a day or more!!!!! I need that turbo diesel 😑...
Do it!! It's a great swap
@@natebleepinjeep9564 I shall! I plan on eventually swapping to Dana 60 axles with lockers and doing a custom coilover set up for either 40s or 42s. I was on the fence about which engine to swap to but after watching this, I'm definitely going to go with a small turbo diesel 😂
Fuel is the cheapest part of driving in total cost of car ownership over the years ... Can't drive anything for under a dollar / mile.
@@craigweis1675 not when it costs you about $500 a month in gas to drive your Jeep to work and the monthly loan payment was $200 until I paid it off and full insurance costs $167 a month like with my Jeep lololol 😂😂 😂
@grumpy old fart that's cool, it's much better than 13 mpg that I'm currently getting
It is the combination of the small diesel,manual trans.,and gearing that gets you those awesome mpg's.....
Dam good swap love to see how you did it
I'm getting roughly 11 mpg in my tj. 1 tons, 37s, and daily driven 68 miles a day 6 days a week. Worst daily driver but I can't help but wanna drive it. Slowly piecing together parts for a diesel swap. Awesome video
This pushes thru my initial idea for a montero gas to diesel engine conversion. Thanks for making this vid
Build it! That would be a great overlander!
Alright I’m gonna beg for a diesel swap project now
Tanner Rienbolt bleepin Jeep please do it
If you buy a European Jeep you will have a option for diesel. I have a XJ 2.5 TD ;)
me too :)
Anyone know of somewhere one could order this 2.5 td crate engine? Would love to just get one shipped to the states.
@@c-note4146 his is a vw diesel from the us
Damn now I wish I was throwing a 1.9 into my Comanche instead of a 4.0
Patiently waiting for my 4.0 to blow up so I can do an OM swap.. Great video as always fellas!
1.9 TDI 🔥
Thanks 4 the info...
I feel like Arnold does when describing the pump while watching this video!!
I'm one of the few people that understands this comment lol I'm dying man
I was hoping you would.
When you did the swap, did you also have to replace the fuel pump, tank, and lines? Or did you just clean them out and reuse one or more of them?
@@jeremy8715 I replaced the fuel pump and fuel line with a duramax airdog kit. The tank is a stock replacement high clearance tj version from genright. I modified the stock sender to use with a 1/2 push to connect fitting to adapt to the airdog kit
Holy crap that's awesome
Amazing video
Come up here to Canada and build me one....lol. All the beer you can drink, legalized pot too if your into that. But seriously bro impressive numbers on an amazing build, well done sir.
How does this video only have 780 Likes with 11,417 Views???
Come on Jeepers!!!!
Awesome. Thanks for the input. Look up a tj named bobcat. He did the same swap but with Toyota trans, these and axles. He claimed 35mpg on 35s.
I'm putting a 2002 in my yj with an ax15 4.88 and 35s. We will have to get to gether after I'm done. I'm local to nate.
Sounds good man!
Diesel engines make much more torque at low RPM so your jeep basically crawl over obstacles at just over idle and my correct? Smaller displacement and Lower RPM .
Exactly! Peak torque at 1900 rpm so it spins the 40's with ease!
awesome, OK make a video on the swap what you need and from what car to get it from
I'd like too! I may do a swap like this in my 1960cj
Damn, I'm starting to rethink my ideas of a Cummins swap.
HOLY BLEEPIN JEEP!
that's pretty awesome and I bet it has as much torque as the 4.0 straight six
Im pretty sure its actually over double the 4.0L numbers
Hi there, I own two cars with a vw tdi, an older pump injected 1.9 and a PD 1.9 (I believe the same you have Nate). Both are very good engines, not overly powerful in stock but reliable and take next to nothing. Both have a long term fuel economy around 43 mpg. I also have an XJ with very much hated 2.5tdi VM engine. It does not offer a lot power but seem to be alright with up to 33" tires. I get about 20 mpg on and offroad. Not too bad but nowhere close to the others. So I've been thinking about staying with diesel and swapping a vw tdi into my xj but got to a dead end. The funny thing is that even tho the engines have their origin in Europe, you guys in the States seem to have a lot more support than we have. I have asked around about pairing a vw tdi with the original transmission (AX15) and it is a big no-no. Everyone I talked to just looked at me like I was crazy or something. Anyone here from Europe with some expirence? Would be greatly appreciated. Cheerios, Martin
Do you have videos that you did on the swap?
I wish! I swapped it before I joined bleepin jeep
Nate Bleepinjeep oh bummer haha, maybe do a video on your build I would be very interested in the way that you did it
@@joestrasser382 he did one on it a few months back. You should check it out.
What? That is amazing.
Already working on a tdi swap in my yota 🤘
Nice man!!
@@natebleepinjeep9564 btw there's a guy with an ahu yota on 33s getting around 40 mpg. Over at TDI works
@@kyhillbillys10 I believe it man! These engines are pretty amazing
That's a tiny engine, but gearing is everything. Damn I gotta have one now.
Do it brother! It's the best mod I've put on this jeep! The weight loss made it way better off road
That is pretty darn amazing fuel economy:)
I’m tdi swapping my Jeep for sure.
Interesting results - guess the diesel option Jeep keeps promising will be a hit when it hits the show-room sometime in FCA's future. My 4.0 XJ only has to overcome the inertia of 30" tires and gets as much as 19.4mpg coming down from the sierras on the interstate to around 13 going the other way. Though I wouldn't dream of doing the Rubicon Trail in my rig, the better gas mileage was an advantage on the 110 miles of the Mojave Road!
Hi Nate, great video. I have an 01 Cherokee with a bad motor. I also want to run 33's. This really make me re-think about what type of engine replacement I want to do🤔 I'm not on social media but is there a way to reach you by email if I ever need assistance? I'm really considering this type of swap. Thanks for all you do🖖
I have an 01' VW Beetle 1.9l TDI and I can vouch for this mileage, my Beetle gets around 600 miles per 14 gallons of diesel. Which is 42MPG! If I could afford to swap in an 06' TDI into my Cherokee I would in a heartbeat!
My wife had a 2002 tdi beetle with a couple engine mods. Great car! We went from Seattle to San Francisco on one tank of diesel!
@@natebleepinjeep9564 what mods did you do that with? Oversized tank?
@@mastermoarman larger injector nozzles (they get better mpg trust me) Intake, exhaust, malone tuning, cut a hole in the passanger side wheel well behind the intercooler for more flow and an egr delete. Of course I keep all my diesels tuned up so they run really well. It all adds up man! If I remember correctly it was like 740ish miles. Best mpg I've gotten out of all my tdis!
@@natebleepinjeep9564 would you recommend the 1.9l ALH for a swap into an 01' Cherokee or an 03-06' 1.9l PD?
2001 Saturn sl1 1.9 gas.. 46 mpg
Dude we need at least a parts list/walk through on that tdi swap ! Please.
There is one already. Go back a month or two
Thanks man good stuff
Interesting comparison, thanks. I get in the area of 10 mpg on trails with a 89 GMC 5.7 350 TBI, most of them do. Those 4.0 straight 6 motors should be doing better you'd think. Auto makers need to bring back the straight 6 engines because of their firing order/crank profiles etc. They really live long and put out good torque per Cubes/Liters.
I wish my first gen Cummins did half what that did. I think I need a TDI for my CJ, thanks for making everyone have VW Diesel envy! 😁
they will be hard to find now;)
How does it drive on highway ?
I trust it runs highway speeds ok ... can it pass cars or loses speed on a hill climb?
I rented a diesel BMW 1 series in Ireland.... it got 59 mpg at like 75mpg and still seemed to be quite peppy and pass worthy.... I was impressed :)
It does really well on and off road! I had to push it a little bit going up Donner pass (7800 feet) and was hovering around 55mph. I was going slow because the intercooler was having a hard time keeping the intake air temps down on that steep of a grade. I'm going to use a bigger intercooler when I get a bigger turbo
Nothin better than a oil burner
There are acres and acres of VWs sitting out in the sun! Tens of thousands of engines available for this swap!!!
Eddymatch 14 true story!! I live in Denver and about 90 miles south of Denver at PPIR (pikes peak international raceway) there is maybe a 100acre lot full of them. I’m sure there’s a lot like that in every metropolitan area.
So crazy!!!
Eddymatch 14 It is crazy. I just looked at the satellite view on google earth, you can see them just north of the track along I25. Have a look for yourself.
Wow! Grave digger and a full tank of gas please...
Displacement doesn't work how you think it does. A 4bt and a tdi engine will make similar gas mileage numbers despite one being twice the size. An ls v8 will also do better than a 4.0 i6. Displacement doesn't dictate efficiency.
Ho-Ly Shit your gas prices are INSANEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! 87 Octane is $2.76 and Diesel is $3.16 here in Kansas City!
So, I can't quite get 50mpg out of my '06 Jetta TDI, but I've got a bit of a lead foot lately and almost never drive the highway. Average 32-35mpg city, though.
The 40 miles that everyone else drove to the trail more than likely bumped up their mpg so there’s more difference between the gas and diesel
I was going to bring that up but I decided to just take the win and not come off smug lol 40 miles of my journey was on street and 84 was street for the other guys.
Awesome,fuel mileage from a trail jeep
Can't wait to see what my om617 xj with an ax15 gets!!! probably not as good as the tdi swap but...
Sure, but can it get out of it's own way?
FWIW I HUGE factor in diesel fuel economy is that a diesel is very efficient at idle. I'm sure that's a bog part of wheeling mileage, however it doesn't carry over to highway mileage.
330tq is say yes lol..
Can we get a Detailed vid on your Diesel swapped Jeep?
a BIG factor is that he didn't drive it on the highway, with a setup like that it'll sip fuel going slow on the trail, but it won't do nearly so well on the highway. That is counter to a car, reason being a car actually has some aerodynamics going, where as the jeep is basically a brick on wheels.
I drove it on the highway over Donner pass in California on the way to fill up. Out of a 66 mile trip 44 were highway
Nate Bleepinjeep damn, that is impressive then.
@@animefreak5757 👍
Diesel!!!!
If you would do it again, would you go with the VW or cummins r2.9?
I'm intrigued by the Cummins repower platform. Its actually a really good price point for a brand new motor and I'm a huge cummins fan. That being said, these tdi motor are amazing and I don't regret it for a second. I may use a cummin 2.8 in the future but I'm waiting to see the potential perfomance mods first
I have a low mileage 2005 TJ with a strong running 4.0l with 6 speed manual and I say your trail MPG is spot on. However you 1.9 TDI engine swap intrigues me. My computer seems to be my weak link. I’m getting ready to get my 3rd computer because for some reason my O2 sensor heater controller on the CPU burns out. First time it was replaced under warranty but now at 105,000 it’s not warrantied. All sensors and related relays have been changed so it’s not an electrical problem down stream. Anyway eventually the 4.0 will go away and I’m wondering how all the electrical adaptations went with your swap? I haven’t been motivated to fixe the CPU because it still runs and goes into closed loop mode. Been running it that way the last 5,000 miles.
I’m now searching for VW 1.9 engines...! Wowsers!
What is the top speed? For highway speeds type deal and will it tow okay still?
what is your top speed you are able to be at while in over drive for highway travel?
What transmission did he put for the 1.9 diesel
Next video: VW 1.9L diesel swap HOW TO
I'd like too! Trying to figure out a good swap candidate
Nate Bleepinjeep YJ!
How about an xj!
I would like to see a serious mpg test with the diesel jeep on 33s or 35s same gears. Driving grandpa style ........🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wouldn't the 33's increase your rear axle ratio. Your engine will run at a higher rpm, increasing your fuel consumption. It would definitely help at lower speeds and with acceleration. I don't know how much the difference in weight would help in milage. It would definitely be a great little video for a test.
Oh my god i need to diesel swap my Z. I only have stock "31 tires. and I want to go "32 tires . But I'm only getting 14.5mpg in city without AC .with ac i get 12mpg. but i do so much driving. I go through 220 gallons of fuel each month. Is a diesel swap expensive?
Very expensive to do it right!
Nate
I wana see the truck.
Still badass i m thinking about a 1.9 swap in my cj5
Awesome video. What's it like on the the highway?
Nate, great video! I was really curious about fuel consumption. Its not even close! You also lightened your up with aluminum parts. Do you have a 5 spd or a 6spd?
starts swapping out those XJ's to diesels. Post videos.
5 speed brother! They are looking into diesel swaps as we speak lol
But how much power r u sacrificing with that little diesel? Compared to a 4.0
I'm curious what kind of speeds nate can manage running that 1.9l? I'm running a stock 4.0 with 4.56 diffs and 36's and I don't think ill be driving cross country anytime soon
Tires absorb alot of energy the bigger you go! The last leg of this trip was all freeway on the way to the gas station. We drove up donner pass (7800 feet elevation) I was driving 65 fine until the top of the pass I let up and dropped down to about 55. The intake air temperature was getting a little hot pulling a grade at such a high elevation. Nothing a bigger intercooler can't fix!
right bigger intercooler would do the trick. I'm getting about 20mpg around town with my setup but if I try running 70 on the highway I'm at 3000rpm and my mpg's drop to about 8. This swap seems like it could get pricey but the longevity and saving would make up for the costs
What camera gear are you using for this episode?
At that fuel mileage with the package you're running. What is horse power & torque?
Nate Bleepinjeep • 1 hour ago
Its juice up. 180ish horse power and 330ish torque
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I use poor quality new veg oil in me 2.5td 97 XJ £0.51 p/litre 40-45mpg at 60mph 100kph stinks like a dirty cafe n spits hot oil out ,, but get no tailgaters ::: )))) makes you hungry in traffic though😂👌👍
Fuck knows why I'm messaging myself though 😂😂me neither
Might as well like it lol cheers I will
Do a video on the swap
Nate, are you in WA by chance?
What's highway driving like with the 1.9, 40s and 5.38s? I'd be curious to swap my XJ on 4.56s and 33s
What Diesel engine did you use?
I got a 98 TJ on 33's. Got an extra diesel engine laying around? 😜
I wish!! I have a cj to swap!!
Daniel Taff those VW,s are literally everywhere because of the smog fiasco
Hey buddy, besides the engine and tdconversion kit, what else would I need?
Would I have to get a different radiator, exhaust system etc?
How did you make it smog compliant? Or no need for smog where you have it registered? I’m in CA and been thinking of swapping for awhile, but my problem would be making it smog compliant.
On the diesel Jeep is it possible to put a automatic instead just asking I never drove a manual before
Yes but autos suck ass
Damn. I know what I’m doing when my motor fails.
Damon Richter depends on what your looking for out of a 4x4. A auto transmission is basically like having 2x the gear reduction for crawling, not to mention you can't really stall a auto. While i would love a manual with a 4:1 or higher transfer case, the auto version of my XJ is more common, and cheaper to buy, and that's not even including the cost of a 4:1.
As for engine braking, with 4.56 gear's and 33's the auto will go plenty slow enough down a steep hill for me, i barely touch the brakes.
From what I've seen its alot more difficult to swap an auto but I know I've seen it done. The tdi swapped trucks group on Facebook has alot of good info on auto swaps
Nate Bleepinjeep sweet send me the link of the group please
Hey Nate I was wondering where you got your hood vents for your Jeep?
what kind of tune do you have on that 1.9?
It a tune from malone tuning in Canada. They have been doing alot of work with me dialing everything in
I got an 4.0 XJ on 31's regeared to 4.10 I use as my daily driver - weekend warrior and am seriously considering this. How difficult was this swap and how did you up the power - what mods did you do? Also you think this could work with an auto? NEED MORE INFO!
There is a vid where he goes over his whole rig
We've been driving diesel engines here in Europe for ages now, and they have good economy, but they make terrible commuters unless you hit medium to high speeds and have to drive quite a lot. In short trips or city commutes where the engine oil doesn't even get to temperature (water will) you'll find out that they start to fail quite a lot after a while. EGR valves, turbo failures, particle filters, flow sensors all go to crap because of the carbon buildup.
The engines themselves are more complex than gas ones too, and usually more expensive to repair.
So yeah, a typical 2l. diesel is fine for highway but not so much for commuting, and contrary to general belief, it's better for the engine to be revved up instead of being tempted by the torque down low and shift gears at 2k.
it was really common in the 1970's and 80s in the US due to the 1973 oil embargo
What is your top end speed with the 1.9? Could your rig be a daily highway driver assuming it is or made street legal? Great Vids! Thank you.
i wanna manual swap my xj and now i wanna manual tdi swap it
with that thing just idling you won't burn nothing. Been on big fishing boats with big twin cats, 8 hours worth of fishing cost 40 gallons of fuel, thats nothing.
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Nate, doesn't the Jetta engine only have 100hp? It seems like you would be under powered? Do you feel like you have plenty of power for freeway driving?
Its juice up. 180ish horse power and 330ish torque
@@natebleepinjeep9564 I want one.
Is flash with bigger injectors.
Those things put out decent hp but gobs of torque.
In the way that they're using that engine it got the most important number which is torque.
dual clutch auto/manual
Wow 22 mpg on 4-D'S
Right?! I can't stress enough how gutless 4.0l was after I put the 40's on! These tires suck up alot of power and this little engine is still efficient.
@@natebleepinjeep9564 awesome, I'm considering a conversion after seeing other videos on it along with yours. Great videos and work! Now just have to wait a bit for the cash.
@@lionelhernandez34 thanks man! 👍
Is Coty still selling the tdi swap?
They claim to be on their website. But I emailed them about 3 weeks ago with serious interest and have yet to get a response.
Diesel swap XJ coming soon
Why didn't you do a Cummins?
4bt is really the only option unless he did alot of suspension and frame upgrading for extra weight... the 4bt is unbalanced so shakes everything... 2.8 cummins is like 20+ k...
You send me the build and I’ll swap it to my LJ. I’ve been looking for a good diesel swap and I only run 33s.
Curious what a LS swapped jeep would get. More smiles per gallon than miles I bet
holy crap 50 bucks for 11 gallons? i can get 18 gallons for that where i am
swap my 1997 xj plz
Ok ...I'm going to ask like a few others for a diesel swap for my XJ I call "Hydra " I'm a veteran and former diesel mechanic...
16 years old Need a 1990 jeep xj have a license don't have the money. I hate my family my grandparents are rich but cheap I hate what I need to put up with always getting threatened to be kicked out🙁
Time to get a job, junior. See how much you hate everybody when you have to pay for stuff with your own money.
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yeah dude get a job and save up money you can get a 1990 jeep xj pretty cheap and in decent shape. And how can they kick you out if you're living on your own?
By the BTU ... gas = 180,000 btu / gallon. Diesel fuel oil = 243,000 btu / gallon [30% more than gas as per video] . ... you are burning the same amounts of btu's but not the same gallons to move the same weight and overcome the same frictions. And remember that resistance through air squares as speed doubles. And we drive boxes through air. Not lima beens.
1,000 btu / cubic foot of natural gas,. And 2,600 btu / cubic foot of propane. more for butane. With electric ... 3,412 btu / 1 kW.
Fuel ratios to burn gas = 14.7 to 1 ~ diesel ratio is 10.0 to one to burn.
To meet the Federal CAFE requirements all car body designs come out of the wind tunnels looking very similar. No personality any more in styling ... YuckO~!~!
And that my friends is the story of the demise of the 5,300 lb Jeep Commander with 3.7-4.7-5.7 family of engines making 11 to 13 mpg ... that and the gear ratios ... way too many rpm's at speed on cruise.
My 1999 5.4 Ford Expedition had better mileage and turned under 1,500 rpm's at 62 mph. She lasted 315,000 miles before the body rusted off in Wisconsin.
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