Hehe... Thanks Ryan! And we soldier on!! ;) But at the end of the day, what matters is that I have a lot of fun making these videos... So it is worth it regardless of view count. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@IOSam I'm glad you have that outlook on things. Been a fan for a long time and I always am excited whenever I see you have a new upload. Keep up the excellent work, and if you read any of your comments you can tell I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Finally someone giving enough credit to Glorious too, they are really the first company that made lightweight mice accessible WORLDWIDE. They started it.
I feel that credit should be given where credit is due… And like you, I do think Glorious deserves a lot of credit for bringing lightweight inexpensive gaming mice to the masses in the last 2 years (and sparking a wave of innovation and competition in this industry like we’ve never seen before). Finalmouse might have invented the lightweight gaming mouse, but Glorious is definitely the one who made it popular (and accessible)!
@@IOSam "Finalmouse might have invented the lightweight gaming mouse" I think that would prolly be Razer with the Salmosa, Abyssus, Krait (2006) and especially the Salmosa Pro-gaming Edition, but it's not clear, because we had a handful of good rodents in the 70-80 grams range in the 2000's, starting with Logitech's first gaming-grade optical mouse, the OG MX300 in 2002, which still has one of the rawest sensor feel, to this day. To make it popular: yeah, Finalmouse started the thing, but it's probably Glorious that made it widespread. And Cooler Master also helped with the MM710, that was a really sick product 3,5 years ago. You also can't disregard Logitech's G PRO Wireless in 2018, which also helped a lot to induce the evolutional change the market needed in the wireless segment, making the competitors sweat bricks to come up with a competitively adequate 2,4 GHz implementation for their own stuff.
@@zatozatoichi7920 Man, you went deeeep into the history of gaming mice there! 😆 But you’re right… These things don’t get “invented” overnight. Instead, it is a history of many companies piling up their own innovations on top of those of their competitors. And this is why competition is so good for consumers at the end of the day. And I agree with your mentions about Razer, CM and Logitech, which not only brought a ton of innovation to the table in the recent 3 to 5 years, but that have in fact been creating and innovating gaming mice for more than 20 years (this model here was my first gaming mouse in 1999! 👉imgur.com/7iETLbz )!
@@IOSam Haha, I remember those Logis. The first "gaming" mouse (I think it came before the Razer Boomslang) was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse with 3 buttons, no scroll wheel, a "precise" ball and native USB, but you could overclock the PS/2 port to 200 Hz for best responsivity. I'd love to have one in my little collection. : > Imo we should also thank G-Wolves for doing what they do; trying to make Finalmouse's (and lately Zaunkoenig's) innovations more affordable to the public, while constantly working on lighter and lighter mice. And of course Pulsar, for nice shapes in the ultralight segment and simply for being cool having contact with the community, and updating their new releases based on this communication, while keeping their prices reasonable (sub-100 USD). Favorite manufacturer for sure. And you absolutely cannot look over the shoulder of Xtrfy lately, the M4/M42/MZ1 and their wireless versions, plus the M8 Wireless are very-very strong products with full PnP. I agree, competition makes the best market, and from 2018-2019 onwards, especially now, we are living in the land of plenty; there are so many truly awesome releases (same with keyboards), that you can barely choose. My poor wallet doesn't like it tho. : D
Found your channel by "accident". The production quality and depth of this review video is INSANELY good. You deserve much more views/coverage on RUclips, liked and subscribed. Great work dude!
Hey Tonder, thank you so much man! Your nice words are definitely appreciated!! While I know my extremely long and in-depth videos are not exactly the most popular format on RUclips, I have to admit this channel is having much more success (with just 18 videos!) than I could have ever dreamed of when I started... So, while my type of content will never take this channel to the millions of subs, I am quite happy with a smaller community of nice folks (with above average attention span! 😏), such as yourself, around here.
If they make a minus version of this mouse I'd definitely pick it up the regular size is too big for my hand size and I can't fingertip grip it properly but the size of the minus is perfect for me and as someone who loves having a dpi button at the top for rebinding it sucks that a lot of companies are removing them entirely so it's great to see glorious is still an option for people who prefer the top dpi button
I'm pretty confident the O2 minus is the next in line (and the one I’m most looking forward to replace my aging wired O minus). And I agree with you that removing the DPI button in an effort to reduce weight is a bit of dumb move on the part of other mouse makers (since Glorious itself made the Forge Model O Pro lighter than the G Pro X Superlight and the Viper V2 Pro, but without removing the DPI switching button). I think it’s fine to try to make mice lighter, but not at the expense of essential functionality.
Yeap… I was a bit surprised myself with Glorious’ new ambi mouse design! As you, I was a bit reticent with their mouse 1 & 2 buttons new look, but ended up this review loving the practical results of this change (I’ll take its perfect pre/post travel improvements over looks any day).
Hehe… Thanks man!!! The explanation is that, while I put the same level of production work as large channels do, this channel is actually pretty young (with less than 20 videos at the moment). So, for a channel with so few videos, 10k subs is actually not too bad. My challenge now is to be able to steadily increase the volume of videos in the channel without sacrificing the production quality that my viewers have become accustomed to… I guess I have my work cut out for me in 2023, eh? 😅
@@IOSam Ye no really sick man, i just wanna say that i was here before you become really big and i hope to see some more awesome content from you in 2023!
@Yapnoah You bet!!! And thank you for trusting in the work I'm doing here (and that the channel will be big 😆)!! A lot more good stuff in the works for this year for sure!
This review was amazingly in depth. Thank you for all of your effort and the wide amount of information and thoughtful commentary. A lot of great comparison across the different mouse options as well as seeking an outside opinion! I'm looking forward especially to a renewed version of the Model D.
And thank you Kalel, for your nice words! From all the mice I have here, the D wireless has been the one with the most mileage in the last year. So, I can’t wait to see how the D2 Wireless will be like!
If given the choice, I'd lean towards the wireless option. If you like ergonomic shaped mice (and you don't mind plugging it in to charge every once in a while) the Model D (even the 1st Gen) is a great choice!
Hello Khizar! Answering your questions: a) You could use it with claw grip IF you have large hands. At my medium-sized hands, the regular sized Model O/O2 is too big, since the rear of mouse will touch the back or my hand on claw grip (that requires you to push the mouse deeper in the direction of your palm). So, for my hand size (18x9.5cm), I can only claw grip the O- (or the upcoming O2- that should keep the same dimensions), and the regular sized O/O2 is better suited for palm or relaxed fingertip grips. b) For drag-clicking, the new O 2 has the main thing you need for it: a very grippy surface (possibly the grippiest I have ever tried without any tape applied). So, in that regard, you’d be golden! My only concern though, is that the O 2 uses some very crispy Kailh 8.0 switches that offer higher click resistance than the OMRONs of the original Model O/O-Wireless. So, I fear this switch might be too heavy for drag-clicking and I don’t think I could do it (my hands would get soar very quickly). But then, I’m not a Minecraft player and thus I have never trained to do this (as so many Minecraft players usually do). So, in that area I would have to defer to a good Minecraft player to try this technique with the O 2 for a definitive word on this matter.
@@IOSam, thanks a LOT for replying, man! You’re one of the only RUclipsrs who make amazing content and don’t consider themselves to be above replying to their viewers’ comments! Keep up the great work and I hope you get the fame you deserve soon!!!
@@ThatRandomFerarriFan Thanks man! I truly built this channel for the community, so my relationship with my viewers in the comment section is one of the most important aspects of what I do here! And even as the channel grows, I'll try the best I can to answer as many viewers questions as possible.
On my pre-production unit, the combo is to press & hold the DPI + both side buttons for 5 seconds. But I see no reason for it to be different in the current production units, so go ahead and give this combo a try.
Thank you Protrino!!! I use DaVinci Resolve Studio, which is an insanely powerful editing tool, but which unfortunately took me quite a while to master... Video editing software such as Resolve or Premiere are definitely not intuitive or user-friendly tools and their learning curves are ridiculously steep. But at this point in 2022, if anyone wants to learn video editing for RUclips and needs to start from zero in a non-linear editing suite, I would strongly recommend DaVinci Resolve over Adobe Premiere. Resolve, at least in my opinion, is a far superior product both in terms of its abilities and in terms of performance (which Resolve seems to scale far better than Premiere the more CPU, RAM and GPU power you throw at it). Not to mention that you can start using it for free (while Adobe products lock you into monthly payments for eternity).
For butterfly-clicking I believe the old model has one advantage: a slightly larger area at the tip of the button (where most people usually do their clicking on this modality), when compared to the O 2 that has a slightly (2 or 3 millimeters) smaller button. But the O 2 has its own advantage over the V1: lower pre/post travel distances, which can help you to click faster. For drag-clicking I believe the O 2 has a better texture than the V1, which will definitely help, but its Kailh GM 8.0 has a slightly heavier switch click (which might be a problem or not to you, depending on your preference), when compared to the OMRONs of the V1.
@@LAUCHGeorge I'd say that it would be worth trying because of how good its grippy texture and pre/post-travel are (two things that should be very helpful for butterfly-clicking). Besides, its 80 million clicks Kailh switches should withstand the abuse for much longer than 20 mil OMRONs... As long as you don't have huge hands with thick "sausage fingers" (that could get cramped to butterfly-click on the slightly narrower buttons), I think this could be a good choice for Minecrafting.
Thank you Dino!!! Appreciated man!! I’d say the O 2 has a shorter click travel than the original O (because of its much smaller pre-travel), so that would definitively be a positive for quick double-clicks. Another positive is its grippier coating, which I believe helps for drag-clicking when compared to the slicker surface of the original. On the other hand, the new Kailh switches here offer a bit more resistance than the OMRONs of the original O, which might be a negative to some users, depending on their taste for how crisp they like the actuation to be.
I’d say that would depend mainly on two factors: 1) how well is your 2020 mouse working now; and 2) if the O 2 brings some new functionality/feature that you feel would improve your usability/performance. The new O 2 brings the advantage of Bluetooth and significantly better battery life (if you go with the wireless version), better texture, better sensor and switches, and less pre/post travel on mouse 1 and 2. If any of these things sound important enough to you to justify the cost of the upgrade, then I’d say: go for it. For me personally, I could not tell the difference in tracking performance between the old Model O sensor and the new O 2 BAMF 2.0 (since I’m not a pro player) and just the better switches and texture alone would probably not be enough to make me spend more money to upgrade if my V1 Model O was still working fine. But if I’d been “maining” a wired mouse up to now, I would probably consider upgrading to a wireless one at this point in 2022/2023 and, in that case, I’d definitely consider going with the O 2 Wireless for its incredible battery life (and Bluetooth). But if your 2020 Model O is still serving you well for most of your desktop work and gaming, then you can always wait to upgrade a bit later in the future (and maybe even wait for some future sale where you could get the O 2 for a better price down the road).
I am usually skeptical of IO Sam's videos especially with Glorious products but... You nailed this review; The good, the bad and even had a high level player give their 2 cents which was a great edition. I think what glorious did here was the correct move adding features and even shedding a gram of weight. Mice are one of those things where it comes down to comfort and that includes weight. I still prefer my Model O Wireless over the G Pro and the Viper V2 pro (i own all 3). For some reason the shape and weight make it a perfect all-rounder for COD, Battlefield, CS GO and Valorant. When mice are too light, even setting the DPI or Sens down, for some reason doesn't feel as good. Great Review, IO Sam. - Nash-
Thanks Matt!!! I really appreciate your feedback my good Sir!! I’m happy to see that all the work put into ensuring this review covered all possible angles, paid off! And I have to say I agree 100% with your opinions here, especially the last line about extremely light mice. While I can also see the point from many competitive gamers (and their preference for sub 60 grams mice), I’m happy with the decisions Glorious made with the O 2. But I do hope they can, at some point, still bring their “Pro” line out of the Forge group-buys and into their regular Glorious retail, to cater to those gamers that do prefer a more bare-bones sub-60 gaming mouse for fingertip grip.
You're speaking out of my Soul. Just got the Razer Viper V2 Pro for Christmas and thought that it'd be a straight Upgrade from my Glorious Model O.... but it really isn't. Sure, the Sensor is the best on the Market atm, but for me, the weight was just too tiny, making it harder to controll shots in my experience and the Shape of it is also inferior to the Model O. The Viper is just to small for me. And since they didn't change the weight really on the O2 Wireless, i'm definitily gonna buy it! Bit of money saved and will (Most probably) get a , for me, better Mouse
@@Aquila. Yeah, I hear you man... While most mouse reviewers these days seem to be obsessed with feather weight tiny mouse for finger tip grippers, those things just don’t work for everybody. And even a regular Viper can be too small for a lot of folks with large hands or for palm grippers. And that is the target audience Glorious is going for here… While many people at www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview are very loud in their quest for the next overhyped “micro-mouse” release, I don’t think they’re even close to be a significant segment of the gaming mice market (and I believe Glorious also knows that very well).
@@IOSam Yeah that's true, Imo, there is a line where Mice are just _too_ light, and for me, it starts with the Viper V2 Pros 58g. Loving that Glorious is staying true to their roots and nice to see that they are improving the Lifetime of their Mice, although i have to say, that i have my Glorious Model O for like 3 Years? And never had any Issues with it. Had more Problems with Razer Mice for example.
Glorious seems to be quite late to finally have these in stock… But it should be worth the wait for original Model O owners waiting for an upgrade like you!
Awesome video. Can you please review the new Model D2 Wireless that just came out today? I am a Minecraft player and would love to know how good it is especially since it uses new optical switches.
Thank you!!! I have the new I2, the O2 Pro and the D2 Pro here in my studio, but could not release a review on time because my main editing PC is out of commission after my CPU crapped out... Hopefully will have my new rig up and running sometime next week to finish my videos. But what I can tell you now is that the optical switches that Glorious used here are stiffer than the ones from Razer (such as the ones in the Viper V2 Pro and the Basilisk V3 Pro) but lighter than the ones from Logitech (such as the ones used on the new G PRO X Superlight 2 and the G502 X). This means they are not as "spammable" as OMRON mechanical switches, but not as stiff as some optical switches out there... Right in the middle of the pack. Naturally, I intend to elaborate more on my video when it comes out.
@@IOSam Aw man sorry about that! I hope you get your PC back up and running. So, I just ordered the Model D2 Pro because my Model D Wireless started double clicking every single click on the RMB. Do you think I'll still be able to manage to get really high cps on the Model D2 Pro, I butterfly click. How are the switches in comparison to the ones in the Roccat Kone Pro Air? Because people are able to hit insanely high cps on Kone Pro Air.
@@TheOfficialFT Man... The last few months have been rough! 😅 And yeah... I still owe these I 2 and O 2 / D 2 Pro videos. But now that I got a few other videos and business commitments out of the way, I can finaly sit down to edit the 2 mouse videos I was working on last year (most of content for theses videos are already shot, I just have write and record the script and then edit the whole thing). But 2024 is the year!!! 🙏
unique ask but the minecraft community use the glorious line of mice for butterfly clicking the RMB and LMB (using pointer and middle finger to both click a single mouse button), and also double clicking by lowering the debounce to 0-6ms and kind of smacking the mouse button with your finger resulting in 2 very quick physical clicks. using these techniques in tandem certain mice like the model O are notorious to be able to reach even 18-24 clicks per second. would it be possible for you to test if the mouse shape and switches are conducive to this?
Hey Loo! I'm aware of this technique by Minecraft players, although I have never tried to emulate it on my end. But even without any testing in that sense, I can tell you this: While lowering the debounce time to zero, will very likely increase the rate of double-clicks with the O 2 (which still uses mechanical switches), the Kailh 8.0 switches used here are a bit sharper (with more resistance) than the OMRONs used in the previous line of Glorious mice. And I believe that the Kailh’s additional resistance could get in the way of consistently achieving double clicks (it will definitely be more tiresome on your fingers after a while). So, I will make a few tests on that regard (and report back here later), but for now, if I had to advise a Minecraft player between keeping the V1 Model O or upgrading to the O 2 solely based on this metric, I'd be more inclined to stick with the V1.
@@IOSam thank you for the analysis! i think you’re exactly correct as I tried to upgrade from the Model O v1 to the v2 as the mouse is getting worn, and found just that. It seems possible but requires more force and is tiring. I wonder if the additional pre/post travel is helpful for this sort of thing
@@loo_9 The pre/post travel of the O 2 will definitely be a plus for quicker multiple clicks in sequence, simply because the total travel distance of the trigger has been drastically reduced when compared to the original Model O. So that COULD indeed balance out the additional resistance of the Kailh 8.0 switches. The other positive here for Minecraft players doing “drag-clicking” would be the texture of the O 2, which is insanely grippy (I know that is a huge factor for drag-clicking effectively).
Unfortunately not, since they kept the USB-C plug of the Modelo O 2 with the same shape of the original Model O. While this sounds counterintuitive (to fix the position of a type of plug supposed to be reversible), their argument is that they had to fix one of the sides up to ensure the upward angle of the cable's plug doesn’t get reversed (making the cable rub against the mouse pad)… Which kinda makes sense, since I’d rather keep the upward angle feature for whenever I need to use the mouse plugged in.
honestly I don't see the reason for further lightening a wireless mouse the way logitech and razer did. I'd rather go with longer battery life. At least those are my thoughts on it but I only buy wired mice. I'm just sad the O2 doesn't have an illuminated wheel. I'd also only buy a mouse with holes ever again. Why? Because it is just WAAAY more comfortable. I tend to get sweaty hands. Not with my Model O. Last but not least: Quality. I've had several mice by logitech and razer in the past and ALL OF THEM started double clicking while still in warranty. My Model O on the other hand hasn't done that in the 3 years I've already had it. Also headset wise Logi and razer haven't been all that well so I tend to avoid them. Sensor choice isn't so important. The 3360 was already great. I don't get why people say that an older sensor necessary means that it's worse. I'm glad you don't do this. Great Review!
Thank you Opachki! As you probably noticed, my review was not histrionic about this mouse (as my reviews never are). While videos that say something is “the best thing ever invented” or “the worst product ever launched” gets the clicks from impressionable viewers, they are usually click-baiting and missing the forest for the trees. Which are things I don’t do in this channel. So, the Model O 2 is neither the best nor the worst mouse I’ve ever tried. It does a few things very well and some things less well than the competition. And, at least in my view, it didn’t do anything egregious. So, while I’d certainly change a few things on it if it was up to me, I don’t have a problem in recommending this mouse to those who appreciate the good things it has to offer. And your observation about switches on brand name mice, I’m right there with you. I had all sorts of problems with both Logitech and Razer mice in regards to switches and encoders throughout the years, but have yet to have those same issues with any of my aging Glorious mice. So, say what you will about some of Glorious choices in build quality (we all know they had their mistakes in the past), but at least as my own experience goes (as with yours), their implementation of switches and wheel encoders have been flawless. As for sensor performance, it has become one more source of neurosis for gaming mice enthusiasts… I would comfortably bet my own money that the vast majority of gamers (including loud mouth reviewers out there) would not be able to tell the difference between any PixArt sensor launched in the last 5 years or so in a blind test. And as for holes in the shell or the presence of RGB, for every loud reviewer who bitches about these things, there are other 10,000 people out there who like these, so Glorious knows very well which side of the bread is buttered. I think they’re smart to have products for both the wider audiences (who usually like RGB for example), and products focused specifically on those gamers who are not concerned with looks (and only care about weight for example), which is the case with their “Pro” line that was tested through group-buys and will become regular retail products soon. No reason to skip on a huge part of the market (and its respectively big profits) just because a few angry reviewers (and their minions with pitchforks) demand that RGB gets removed from gaming mice forever…
Yes. Very much so. While these switches on new Glorious mice have a different button color, I'd take a guess that the internals are probably the same of those from a regular GM 8.0.
Agreed! I also wish all these large brands did this (looking at Razer as well, which took forever to announce a Razer mini wireless). It seems the investments in molds and machinery to release two sizes at the same time is too much even for the big guys... But from what I heard, another reason why they do this is to be able to learn from one (average sized) model before they release other sizes, so they can avoid any mistakes made on the first model (which otherwise would plague two lines of products instead of just one).
Respectfully i disagree with your price take. Lamzu and pulsar are providing better mice for cheaper. sure not 80, but at 90 which would have been a much more reasonable price point. I bought a ninjutso sora will you be reviewing it?
Thank you for your comment friend! I really appreciate it!!! I had a similar discussion with another viewer here (under the name Super_SSG), which I believe might also help you understand my thought process when producing this video, and why I mostly compared the Model O 2 to the Razer Viper V2 Pro and the Logitech G Pro X Superlight. But let me rephrase some of that conversation here to fit your question: While newer entrants such as Lamzu and Ninjutsu are perfectly good choices for gaming mice enthusiasts, that are willing to go out of their way to find these niche product where ever they can be found (usually small online mouse shops in North America or AliExpress), I believe brands such as Logitech, Razer, Corsair, SteelSeries and now Glorious still have a much bigger appeal to a much wider (non-enthusiast) crowd. And that is simply because these bigger brands are easier to find and buy, both online and at local brick & mortar shops, in all continents. Bigger brands also offer other things that appeal to non-enthusiasts, such as reliable post-sale customer support and inter-operability with existing hardware and software ecosystems (such as the mouse working with keyboards, headsets, RGB lights, driver software, etc.). And on the pricing side, I agree with you that the niche enthusiast brands will always try to be more price competitive (they have to be) to survive in this insanely competitive market. Glorious themselves had to be crazy competitive in price when they came out with the Model O three years ago, when nobody knew who they were. But even there, this advantage can be mostly wiped out by the availability problem. To use the same examples, you gave on your comment, both the Lamzu Atlantic and the Ninjutso Sora can’t be easily found to buy even in the US (arguably the largest market in the world for these products) and will be basically impossible to buy if you live in countries with crazy high import tariffs (which is, unfortunately, most of the world). But even in the US (with one of the most liberal importing policies in the world), I would have to pay another $13 to $15 dollars to have these two models shipped from Canada (Max Gaming) or China (AliExpress in the case of the Lamzu). So, by the time I add the shipping cost to the mouse price, the final tag will surpass the price of the Model O (by a significant margin in the case of the Ninjutsu). And for people in Europe, India, parts of South-East Asia and South America for example, they could end up paying far more in shipping and still have to add up a bunch of other crazy import tariffs on top of everything, which is why Logitech, Razer, Corsair and now Glorious (that today also has local resellers in all continents like the other big guys) have a huge advantage in the end. Finally, answering you question about my coverage of other gaming mice here in the channel (such as the Ninjutso Sora), I can promise you that I will try to cover as much enthusiast grade gear as possible. But at this stage in my very young and small channel, it is obviously super challenging for me to be able to cover every possible exciting product out there (and I agree with you that both the Atlantis and the Sora are indeed very exciting products!). But I’m am working hard to put together a team of collaborators that might help me to get there. So, if you stick with me throughout this “rough start”, I can assure you I’ll eventually be able to produce the same level of content quality you saw here applied to other newer and exciting peripheral brands!
Any chance for a couple images showing the difference in length compared to the original? The model o was just slightly too long for my tastes and it caught my attention when the o2 was announced 2mm shorter.
Hey Sithreis! As I mentioned on the "shape and measurements" chapter, while there is a 2 mm difference in length between the O 2 and the original O, that difference is basically imperceptible. If the regular Model O is too long for your hand size, then the O- (or the O- 2 that I’m sure is coming sometime this year) will be the better size for you.
@@IOSam I tend to be fairly perceptive of those types of differences but haven't been able to get any good side by side or bottom to bottom shots of the o2 vs regular o. And the o- was far too hand crampy for me. Thanks tho
@@Sithreis I'll try to put a link to a shot of both versions side-by-side here tomorrow for you to check it out. But I can tell you that the small 2mm size difference, will be difficult to see (in a picture)...
@@IOSamWith how the dimensions seem to be measured on the glorious site, the regular model o seemed to indicate that its including the cable stress relief but the o2 looked like it was showing the measurement from the body of the mouse which would basically mean there wasnt any change at all in size if that were the case. Thats why I've been lookin for a solid comparison in that regard. Really appreciate it.
@@Sithreis In my video, the measurement numbers I give are the ones I measured myself with my own digital caliper (I didn’t use the numbers provided by Glorious). So, there is no part of the cable included on my numbers and I still found 2 mm difference between them (the new Model O 2 being the smaller one). Here is the link for the picture I just took of both models side-by-side: imgur.com/a/BHKumFc
If you have a soldering iron, you can replace it yourself (the model O and O- are very easy to open). While Glorious uses 10 mm tall brown core F-Switch encoder (according to www.techpowerup.com/review/glorious-pc-gaming-race-model-o/4.html ), which are impossible to find anywhere, you can replace them with basically any other 10 mm height rotary encoders you find on Aliexpress, from brands like TTC, Huano and Kailh.
Glad you liked it!!! While it was a lot of work to squeeze that much content into a single video, I really felt like a review of the revamped Model O 2 would be incomplete without at least bringing in the Viper V2 and G Pro X to the fight... ;)
@@IOSam + True that :) ! I had the Viper as well but for me everything of the glorious wins. I think it is also a very personal preference. But next to this Razer let me down a few times with the built quality of it's mouses :)
@@_Lady_Sicario_ As someone who uses a Glorious Model D Wireless daily for productivity now (despite it having its own issues), I definitely understand where you're coming from... And in that sense, I think you'll like the new Version 2 of all Glorious mice even more, since the upgrade in build quality is enormous! The O 2 pre-production unit I have here is built like a tank (far better than anything I've tried from Razer for sure!) and has the best texture of any mice I've ever used. Glorious did a really good job here!
Right now it is in pre-order phase (link is in the video description section) and Glorious says pre-orders placed now will start shipping sometime in the second half of December.
hopefully they can release the model D 2 soon , also the mouse is quite perfect just the creaking QC problem hope they can solve that as well , nowadays a lot mouse already removed the DPI button which is sad for me and glorious do a great job by keeping that
The upcoming O2 minus and D2 are very promising. And considering the O minus (v1) and the original D wireless are my most used mice for gaming and productivity, I admit I’m a bit biased here… :) And I totally agree with you in the DPI switch issue: I think it should always be on the top of the mouse instead of the bottom or, worse, on software only.
They’re gunning for the “big guys” Razer, Logitech and SteelSeries… Against those brands, Glorious prices are on point. But if compared to many other [even more] aggressive newcomers in the gaming mice segment (Xtrfy, Pulsar, G-Wolves, etc.) the price competition becomes much more interesting, of course.
Any idea on MODEL D 2 wireless? I find the MODEL O too small for my hands and they are only slightly larger than yours. Also how does the Model O 2 compare to the Razor DeathAdder V3 Pro? Currently have this mouse in black but would like a white mouse for fps games and wasn’t sure if I should get another V3 pro in white or get the Model O 2 in white
I did ask Glorious about the rest of the lineup (the O- 2 and D 2 being the ones I’m the most interested in as well), but they would not give me any clues. Considering the delays in bringing the O 2 in stock so far, I can imagine why they wouldn’t want to give any ETA. At this point, the DA V3 Pro is obviously the king of the hill in terms of best ergo shape and performance, but for $150 it is still overpriced in my opinion. But if price is no object to you, at this point in 2023, there is nothing in the market that can touch it. One acceptable compromise would be the Pulsar Xlite V2 (amzn.to/3wJPToN ), which offers both regular and mini sizes and can be easily found for less than $80 out there. Not as cutting edge as the DA V3 for sure, but still one of the best deals in ergo lightweight gaming mice out there right now (it has a great shape and it comes in white :) As for comparing the Death Adder V3 Pro or Viper V2 Pro to the Model O 2, I guess it depends on your priorities. If you want fast and reliable optical switches, Razer is still king (the model O 2 has very good Kailhs, but those are still mechanical). Also, the Razer models are lighter than the O 2, so if weight is also a priority to you, you’d have to go with them. As for build quality I have to say the O 2 feels much more solid in the hand, and I also prefer the shape of the O 2 vs the Viper (for an ambidextrous mouse). In terms of texture/grip, while I do like the new Razer V3 lineup texture, the Model O 2 edges them out by a notch or two in my opinion. So, if you use the mouse strictly for gaming, I can see the more expensive Razers being a better choice for some people, but I believe the O 2 is a better “all-rounder” for day-to-day use +gaming. And finally, whenever the D 2 comes out with the same improvements of the O 2, and if Glorious doesn’t mess with the shape, that will probably be my main mouse for day-to-day use (the D wireless is my main now), since it has the perfect shape for me.
@@IOSam thanks so much for the response and answering all of my questions. I found the Model D to be better suited for my hands with fantastic comfort and precision for gaming, so I'll probably wait for the Model D2 instead of getting another DA V3 Pro. I know Razor is releasing another mouse for "Faker" in like 2 weeks although I'm not sure if it's just a variant of the DA V3 Pro or an actual new mouse line up. Love your videos by the way! Great to listen to in the morning during my commute to work
@@FleyEnder I’m 99% sure the Razer Faker will be just a reskinned version of the DA V3 Pro… So, for now, I guess we’ll have to play the waiting game for Glorious D 2… And thanks for the nice words and for supporting the channel with your view time!!! Extremely appreciated my friend!!
@@IOSam maybe it’ll have slight improvements to the DA V3? My ONLY issue with the mouse is that the scroll wheel is really sensitive in the sense that it’ll turn with the softest of accidentally touches. I’ve seen comments about it but never discussed in big RUclips vids. And no problem. it’s nice when you find educational channels with analytical yet fun approaches and cover all the nuances that new products have.
@@IOSam looks like you were correct with the Faker Razer mouse being a DA3 reskin. By chance do you know if all of the DA3s scroll wheel are super sensitive or perhaps I just got a bad mouse? I’ve never had issues with the scroll wheel before but with my black razor death adder 3 I’m constantly having the scroll wheel move from the lightest accidentally touches. In some games this causes me to jump or in league of legends I’ll randomly zoom in. I love the mouse overall but this simple issue of having the scroll wheel be too sensitive is causing me enough frustration to either try another mouse or perhaps look to replace it.
Amazingly in-depth video on the mouse, but I'd have to somewhat disagree with your angle on the Pricing & Competition for the Glorious Model O2, specifically the wireless version. If you compare it w/ the larger brands like Logitech and Razer, the model O2 will easily look disruptive by comparison just by virtue of it offering similar core features but at 1/2 the price of those larger brands. w/ the acceptable compromise of perhaps not having the bleeding edge of wireless tech comparatively. However, the reason why I disagree w/ this is that there have been lots of other 'ambidextrous' gaming mouse released within this year that are also priced around $90 - $100 USD, which provide a more fair 1-to-1 comparison to the Model O2 imo due to the similar price bracket. The following are the non-exhaustive list of the notable mouse models that I've mentioned: 1. Pulsar X2 Medium/X2 Mini - MSRP $95 USD, 56gr(Medium)/52gr(Mini) weight, PAW3395 sensor. Rather unique shape that's sort of like a hybrid between the XM1 hump and G Pro Superlight sides. 2. Lamzu Atlantis - MSRP $90 USD, 55gr weight, PAW3395 sensor. Sort of like an XM1R clone but w/ hump that's slightly more centered and less aggressive sides/tappering. 3. Fantech Aria - MSRP $68.80 USD, 59gr weight, PAW3395 sensor. 'Egg' shape mouse that's like a slightly larger Razer Orochi. Could be potentially slightly cheaper from Aliexpress depending on shipping costs. 4. CoolerMaster MM712 - MSRP $70 USD, 59gr weight, PAW3370 sensor. Basically an upgraded wireless version of the MM711/MM710 shape, which is a pretty popular shape among claw-grip users. All reviews for the mouse in the list seem to indicate good quality and great sensor performance as well that's rather on-par w/ Logitech wireless for everyday and competitive gaming. Outside of this list I've heard that the upcoming Ninjutso Sora (another XM1R clone, but smaller) will be another potential good option within this price bracket, as well as the Lethal Gaming LA-1. Though the LA-1 may have pricing that's a little bit more expensive than $100 USD. From this list, I've admittedly only managed to test out and use the 1st batch of the Pulsar X2 Mini. Good build quality and great sensor performance for the price, w/ a shape that's great for medium/smaller hands w/ claw/fingertip grip styles. My copy unfortunately was among the 1st batch casualty that had grinding button issues, but 2nd batch & beyond (which are what you'll get if you buy it from them now) seem to have this issue fixed. My point being, I'm not taking away your conclusion that the Glorious Model O2 is a good cheaper alternative to the Logitech & Razer big brands for a 'premium' gaming mouse experience. However, considering the release of many other great premium-feeling mouse that's within a similar pricing bracket of $90 - $100 USD, I think that the comparison of the O2 w/ these mice would be more fair and interesting, instead of just comparing it to the big brand mice. Again great video IOSam, just hoping that this comment can help add some other great options for those who're in the market looking for 'mid-tier' premium gaming mouse. It's been an insane competitive year of great releases for the 'mid-tier' gaming mouse market, and I just hope that this would mean even better innovation for Mouse manufacturers as a whole, including Glorious
Man, what an amazing piece you contributed here!! Thank you so much for this (I really mean it)!!! I totally see where you’re coming from there, and I do agree with your premises. The reasons why I decided to focus on Logitech and Razer as the main competitors for Glorious were many (besides the obvious impossibility to cover everything in one video, which was long enough as it is 😂): 1) I wanted to focus on the main brands that even non-enthusiasts know and that can be bought pretty much anywhere in the world at this point in 2022 (which I think Glorious has recently achieved that milestone, now that they have local resellers in all continents); 2) Many of the brands you mentioned, are newer entrants to this market and have availability issues in certain parts of the world (good luck trying to get a Lamzu for example 😆) and likely will be more difficult to get support from; 3) I also wanted to focus on brands that have an “ecosystem” (other hardware and software that works more or less seamlessly together), which is something that Glorious now has in common with Logitech, Razer, Corsair, Coolermaster and Steelseries (which they didn’t have it when they came out with the original Model O in 2019), although I picked only the two undisputed market leaders for this review given their obviously huge market-share and “cross-shopping factor”. 4) I did mention other smaller-ish vendors such as Xtrfy and G-Wolves, simply because they kinda have become "household names" on their own right, to a certain extent, since they came to the lightweight gaming mice scene not too long after Glorious, and also managed to grab significant market share up to this point in 2022 (and can also be easily bought in most parts of the world nowadays). So, with those points in mind, it is easier to see that I decided to produce this video a bit more focused on the “normie” gaming mouse shopper out there, since I figured that the enthusiast market is currently well served already by other channels that are 100% focused on high-performance gaming mice on RUclips. On a side note: it seems that, despite all my efforts, I still ended making the mistake of leaving out Minecraft players on my considerations 🤦♂️, which was a big oversight considering how enormous that contingent is (which goes to show how hard it is to produce a video like this trying to cover all the angles, and in record time). Having said all that, I do agree with you 100% that: a) if you are an enthusiast; and b) you are willing to take a bit more chances with smaller/younger brands, you will definitely find better deals in high-performance/extreme-light-weight gaming mice out there from the likes of Pulsar, Pwnage, Endgame Gear, Ninjutso, Fantech (I have an Aria on the way :) and others. It is important to point out that many of these brands are sitting today where Glorious was sitting in 2019 (up-and-coming market challengers), and I can only hope that some of them will become household names in the PC peripherals industry in a few years, just like Glorious did (we can always use some more competition! ;). Finally, I also would like to state here that this was just my first mouse review on this channel, but it will definitely not be the last! I’m putting together a team of collaborators to help me with mouse content and you can bet the next videos covering mice (which I’ll cover not only gaming ones, but also productivity models) will eventually touch all the brands you mentioned on your comment. I certainly plan to get in-depth into the enthusiast gaming mice reviews! So, stay tuned!! ;)
@@IOSam Fair points on the replies. I understand better now the target audience of the video, in which case the big brand comparisons are indeed sufficient. Interesting to know that you have ordered an Aria. Looking forward to a review of it you're planning to, as well as other in-depth nice reviews as well. Keep it coming and great job on the video again!
Well, just a small correction, they didn’t change the shape of the body, but they did change the shape of the buttons. And while I’m not a Minecraft player, I’d suspect the new O 2 could be better for both quick clicking methods IF you don’t mind the new Kailh switches that seem to offer a bit more resistance than the old OMRONs of the previous models (which could be a bit more fatiguing for long sessions). The reason why I believe some people would prefer the new model O 2 for those clicking techniques though is because of the smaller travel distance of the new buttons (very small pre-travel) and because of the better and grippier texture (which I suspect will be good jitter clicking).
@@LearnHax Ok, that is an important piece of new information to me then. So, yeah... If you rely on butterfly clicking for your gaming, and short travel distance mouse triggers is bad for performance in that case, then the original model O will be the better choice, since it has easily twice as much travel distance than the new model O 2.
I think It's not competitive enough for serious gaming because of x2, Atlantis, sora, etc because they weigh less and some of them you can buy cheaper, but I think for average gamers or just people who prefer Bluetooth and availability of the mouse over fewer grams of weigh or fewer dollars. Because it has a good design with some RGB, and Bluetooth mode and it's sort of light.
I don’t think there is a cut and dry easy answer to that question... It mostly depends on what your priorities are in a gaming mouse. If weight is your #1 priority, then the O Pro is the obvious choice at its ultra-light 55 grams. But if you value battery life, build quality, and other features such as Bluetooth and aesthetics, then the O 2 is the way to go. In my personal opinion, if I had to pick just one, I’d go with the O 2, mostly for its crazy long battery life, the super tight and sharp buttons (with almost zero pre-travel), the grippy texture and the Bluetooth connection that extends the battery life even further. These are all things where the O 2 beats the O Pro in my opinion. And finally, there is the fact that the O Pro is not an in-stock product, which means the only way to get it now is through outrageous scalper prices on eBay (which is never an option in my opinion) and which makes the O 2 an even more logical choice in late-2022/early-2023.
I'm sure that is coming soon! What I have been saying here in the comments section for people asking about "drag-clicking" with this mouse, is that you have one big advantage in it in comparison with the previous Model O: its texture --which better lends itself for drag-clicking than the smoother surface of the V1. On the disadvantage side, I have to point out that the Kailh GM 8.0 switches used on the O 2 are a bit heavier than the OMRONs used in the original Model O, and that could make it a bit more tiresome to quickly drag-click on the O 2.
I don't understand the manufacturers. Why is it hard to put buttons to both sides on ambidextrous mice? As a left handed person, soon I can't buy a decent mouse, the options are so limited.
This “amputation” of gaming mice features is happening all over the place in the name of the never-ending quest for the lightest possible weight… While I’m all for lightweight mice, I think there is a fine line between getting to a comfortable weight and just making a less useful product. And I think many gaming mice manufacturers are losing sight of that. While Glorious didn’t go as far as other brands in that regard, it would be nice if they at least offered another SKU of their ambidextrous mice for left-handed people.
@@IOSam I bought a mouse 4 years ago, at that time the choice was similarly limited. Okay, I'm weird because while I'm left handed, the main buttons are in right handed mode (left click is left click and right click is right click), this is how I got used to it in the '90s as a child. I don't mind the weight, currently I have a steelseries sensei 310, buttons on both side, can be configured as the user want it, I don't understand why it is hard. Too bad that the sensei ten has quality issues with the scroll wheel, reviews are full of it. Other option would be the Corsair M55 pro but according to reviews it has a very huge LOD. And the other option is the ducky feather. But the ducky in left handed mode switches the main buttons, like the old zowies. Probably this is the best option though and I will switch it back in Windows (or try to get used to full left handed mode). This is just sad. Anyway, thanks for the review. This would be a great option if I would be right handed :)
@@-fatal- Have you tried the Viper Ultimate? It has side buttons on both sides and can be found for half the price of the newer V3 Pro. And in terms of features, the Ultimate is a far better mouse than the V3 in exchange for its extra 16 grams of weight.
Always Love my model O but it's just too long for my palm. My hand perfect fit for Model D. maybe I will wait for next update for model D and buy it. also I love bigger hex holes. because my dog sheds a lot and it's easier to poke those dog fur LOL
I have to say that, now that I tried the O 2, I'm really looking forward for the O2- and D2W (the O- has been my favorite for FPS and the D wireless is my most used desktop/productivity one). As for the dog fur, my suggestion to you would be to get one of these electric high-pressure air dusters (amzn.to/3EUxJ8N ) to clean your gear. This thing has been a GODSEND around my office to remove dust and hair from even the most difficult corners of keyboards and mice!
@@IOSam Thank you for the tips! but yea always love glorious mices it's feel clean, expensive but very cheap / affordable. thank you again always love the details of your review.
I use custom keyboards other than Glorious' offerings (i think the GMMK Pro is overrated and has little flex, and the GMMK2 is a decent offering but with no "EASY" QMK support), but their mouse is pretty great. Moved away from wireless and daily drive a Model O moddel. Excited to see the O2.
I honestly think the GMMMK Pro (as is the case with the stuff from Keychron, for example) is a great "gateway" board. But as you progress in the hobby, yeah... Many first time mech users will eventually "grow past" this type of board. As for the flex, I'm about to test Glorious new "Flex Kit" for the GMMK Pro... Actually, curious to see how that works out. But, like you, I spend much more time using their mice than any other product from them these days.
@@rpm10k. The Flex Kit? I think they're pre-selling to their Glorious Forum members now, but they told me they will bring it to their regular online retail store early next year.
nice! I was sent the care package for review from Glorious that included the GMMK2, holy pandas, and the Model O + D. I'm looking forward to testing out and reviewing these new mice!
I’m not sure what your question is here, but if you’re asking if the Model O 2 can reach a flat out zero debounce time… it cannot… at least not without optical switches. Now, mechanical switches can be very fast (fast enough for 99% of people, that is), but never as fast as optical ones. Which is why Razer still reigns in the click latency realm with their optical switches today. But that lead will not last very long, since the next version of Logitech G Pro will have optical switches, so will pretty much all modern gaming mice coming from serious brands from here onwards (even Glorious is working on their own optical switch design at this point -they don’t really have a choice).
I cant stand their software and lack of help with it. I searched through forum after forum with no help to my issue and an issue that plagued a ton of others that they never released a solution for. The physical mouse itself is great but the software is just horrible.
Which software specifically are you referring to: the one that came with the original Model O (wired)? Or the new Glorious Core App? And what is the issue you have with it specifically? (Just want to cross-check your experience with mine, and from other users, here)
Unable to connect my mouse to glorious core. Wired in or wireless. Once in a blue moon itll work but 90% of the time no dice. Ive tried more than I care to explain.
Don't bother with this mouse, I got it for Christmas and it stopped working mid ranked match, even though it was connected and charging. I have a basic battery powered mouse from 2016 from another company that's never had this issue. I threw the Model O2 in the garbage after that. Typical for a company to dump money into ads and fancy lights instead of making sure their mouse works.
Why oh why. Theyve made a really unique nice looking mouse really ugly with less RGB, removed the little head which I thought looked great and changed the holes to just plain holes. It now looks like every other knock off off brand light mouse with holes in it. Big pass. Amazes me. A mouse is a mouse. As in theres not alot you can do to differentiate it from others. One big area you can do that is design, and they've gone and fucked that up. Great. Well done.
While I am of a different opinion (considering I had the chance to hold both the new and the old versions on my hands and feel the build quality difference, and that I don’t mind the looks of the smaller cutouts), I understand your frustration… Especially considering that all manufacturers have now removed any trace of RGB to make their mice as feather-lightweight as possible, and there aren’t many options for good gaming mice with boatloads of RGB as we had just a year or two ago (even removing the scroll-wheel light, Glorious is still possibly one of the very last “large” gaming mice brands to still keep flashy RGB somewhere in the mouse body).
@@IOSam yh they've just removed it's unique design language and now it does just look like every other off brand mouse that has a bunch of holes in it. Those hexagon type holes in the original mouse, the head on the side, it's part of what made that mouse feel like the proper branded premium version of a perforated mouse. Now it's just plain circle holes and no branding. Its like removing the Nike tick off a pair of white Nike trainers. They've taken there classic coke brand and fucking dumped that in the bin and are now cheap cola instead. Really disappointed. Loved the original subtle yet stylish design language in there previous product. Looks like I'm jumping ship. It's especially annoying as I like symmetry in my setup. So a glorious mouse with a glorious keyboard. Now I'm guna have to get a whole new fucking keyboard to go with a mouse. Probably jump over to razer. Idiots
Still the most criminally underrated channel on youtube.
Hehe... Thanks Ryan! And we soldier on!! ;)
But at the end of the day, what matters is that I have a lot of fun making these videos... So it is worth it regardless of view count. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@IOSam I'm glad you have that outlook on things. Been a fan for a long time and I always am excited whenever I see you have a new upload. Keep up the excellent work, and if you read any of your comments you can tell I'm not the only one who thinks this.
OML YES
Finally someone giving enough credit to Glorious too, they are really the first company that made lightweight mice accessible WORLDWIDE. They started it.
I feel that credit should be given where credit is due… And like you, I do think Glorious deserves a lot of credit for bringing lightweight inexpensive gaming mice to the masses in the last 2 years (and sparking a wave of innovation and competition in this industry like we’ve never seen before).
Finalmouse might have invented the lightweight gaming mouse, but Glorious is definitely the one who made it popular (and accessible)!
@@IOSam "Finalmouse might have invented the lightweight gaming mouse"
I think that would prolly be Razer with the Salmosa, Abyssus, Krait (2006) and especially the Salmosa Pro-gaming Edition, but it's not clear, because we had a handful of good rodents in the 70-80 grams range in the 2000's, starting with Logitech's first gaming-grade optical mouse, the OG MX300 in 2002, which still has one of the rawest sensor feel, to this day.
To make it popular: yeah, Finalmouse started the thing, but it's probably Glorious that made it widespread. And Cooler Master also helped with the MM710, that was a really sick product 3,5 years ago. You also can't disregard Logitech's G PRO Wireless in 2018, which also helped a lot to induce the evolutional change the market needed in the wireless segment, making the competitors sweat bricks to come up with a competitively adequate 2,4 GHz implementation for their own stuff.
@@zatozatoichi7920 Man, you went deeeep into the history of gaming mice there! 😆
But you’re right… These things don’t get “invented” overnight. Instead, it is a history of many companies piling up their own innovations on top of those of their competitors. And this is why competition is so good for consumers at the end of the day.
And I agree with your mentions about Razer, CM and Logitech, which not only brought a ton of innovation to the table in the recent 3 to 5 years, but that have in fact been creating and innovating gaming mice for more than 20 years (this model here was my first gaming mouse in 1999! 👉imgur.com/7iETLbz )!
@@IOSam Haha, I remember those Logis. The first "gaming" mouse (I think it came before the Razer Boomslang) was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse with 3 buttons, no scroll wheel, a "precise" ball and native USB, but you could overclock the PS/2 port to 200 Hz for best responsivity. I'd love to have one in my little collection. : >
Imo we should also thank G-Wolves for doing what they do; trying to make Finalmouse's (and lately Zaunkoenig's) innovations more affordable to the public, while constantly working on lighter and lighter mice. And of course Pulsar, for nice shapes in the ultralight segment and simply for being cool having contact with the community, and updating their new releases based on this communication, while keeping their prices reasonable (sub-100 USD). Favorite manufacturer for sure. And you absolutely cannot look over the shoulder of Xtrfy lately, the M4/M42/MZ1 and their wireless versions, plus the M8 Wireless are very-very strong products with full PnP.
I agree, competition makes the best market, and from 2018-2019 onwards, especially now, we are living in the land of plenty; there are so many truly awesome releases (same with keyboards), that you can barely choose. My poor wallet doesn't like it tho. : D
Loved collaborating with you Sam. Amazingly detailed review as always. Thank you for letting me be a part of it!
Any time my friend!!! 👊
Putting this video together was a blast, and your assistance played a big role in it!
Onward and upwards from here my man!
Found your channel by "accident". The production quality and depth of this review video is INSANELY good. You deserve much more views/coverage on RUclips, liked and subscribed. Great work dude!
Hey Tonder, thank you so much man! Your nice words are definitely appreciated!!
While I know my extremely long and in-depth videos are not exactly the most popular format on RUclips, I have to admit this channel is having much more success (with just 18 videos!) than I could have ever dreamed of when I started...
So, while my type of content will never take this channel to the millions of subs, I am quite happy with a smaller community of nice folks (with above average attention span! 😏), such as yourself, around here.
If they make a minus version of this mouse I'd definitely pick it up the regular size is too big for my hand size and I can't fingertip grip it properly but the size of the minus is perfect for me and as someone who loves having a dpi button at the top for rebinding it sucks that a lot of companies are removing them entirely so it's great to see glorious is still an option for people who prefer the top dpi button
I'm pretty confident the O2 minus is the next in line (and the one I’m most looking forward to replace my aging wired O minus). And I agree with you that removing the DPI button in an effort to reduce weight is a bit of dumb move on the part of other mouse makers (since Glorious itself made the Forge Model O Pro lighter than the G Pro X Superlight and the Viper V2 Pro, but without removing the DPI switching button).
I think it’s fine to try to make mice lighter, but not at the expense of essential functionality.
This review is surprisingly positive, I think that I'm just not a fan of how the mouse looks aesthetically.
Yeap… I was a bit surprised myself with Glorious’ new ambi mouse design! As you, I was a bit reticent with their mouse 1 & 2 buttons new look, but ended up this review loving the practical results of this change (I’ll take its perfect pre/post travel improvements over looks any day).
I have to pull an all nighter for work and am binge watching on the other monitor. Thanks for the great content to keep me company.
Hey Esra!!! Nice to see you back around here!!
And happy to keep you company through the work hours!
Good luck (and go get' em! :)
first time here, very in depth review! cant wait to see more reviews from you!
Thank you and welcome aboard my friend!
Couple more mouse reviews on the way... ⏳👀
phenomenal video brother, thanks a million.
Glad to read this my friend! 👊😎
So how does thus guy only have almost 10k subscribers
Hehe… Thanks man!!! The explanation is that, while I put the same level of production work as large channels do, this channel is actually pretty young (with less than 20 videos at the moment). So, for a channel with so few videos, 10k subs is actually not too bad.
My challenge now is to be able to steadily increase the volume of videos in the channel without sacrificing the production quality that my viewers have become accustomed to… I guess I have my work cut out for me in 2023, eh? 😅
@@IOSam Ye no really sick man, i just wanna say that i was here before you become really big and i hope to see some more awesome content from you in 2023!
@Yapnoah You bet!!! And thank you for trusting in the work I'm doing here (and that the channel will be big 😆)!! A lot more good stuff in the works for this year for sure!
@@IOSam Ofcourse, you got this!
This review was amazingly in depth. Thank you for all of your effort and the wide amount of information and thoughtful commentary. A lot of great comparison across the different mouse options as well as seeking an outside opinion! I'm looking forward especially to a renewed version of the Model D.
And thank you Kalel, for your nice words! From all the mice I have here, the D wireless has been the one with the most mileage in the last year. So, I can’t wait to see how the D2 Wireless will be like!
I agree with your car analogy the design is simple yet elagant.
While it can be hard to come up with design analogies sometimes, the car one still seems to be one of the most "universally" understood.
Should I buy Model D Wireless or Model O 2 Wired for the same price?
If given the choice, I'd lean towards the wireless option. If you like ergonomic shaped mice (and you don't mind plugging it in to charge every once in a while) the Model D (even the 1st Gen) is a great choice!
thank you@@IOSam 😌
I’d really appreciate it if you replied to this but can you:
a) use it with claw grip
b) drag-click on it
Would really appreciate your response!
Hello Khizar! Answering your questions:
a) You could use it with claw grip IF you have large hands. At my medium-sized hands, the regular sized Model O/O2 is too big, since the rear of mouse will touch the back or my hand on claw grip (that requires you to push the mouse deeper in the direction of your palm). So, for my hand size (18x9.5cm), I can only claw grip the O- (or the upcoming O2- that should keep the same dimensions), and the regular sized O/O2 is better suited for palm or relaxed fingertip grips.
b) For drag-clicking, the new O 2 has the main thing you need for it: a very grippy surface (possibly the grippiest I have ever tried without any tape applied). So, in that regard, you’d be golden! My only concern though, is that the O 2 uses some very crispy Kailh 8.0 switches that offer higher click resistance than the OMRONs of the original Model O/O-Wireless. So, I fear this switch might be too heavy for drag-clicking and I don’t think I could do it (my hands would get soar very quickly). But then, I’m not a Minecraft player and thus I have never trained to do this (as so many Minecraft players usually do). So, in that area I would have to defer to a good Minecraft player to try this technique with the O 2 for a definitive word on this matter.
@@IOSam, thanks a LOT for replying, man! You’re one of the only RUclipsrs who make amazing content and don’t consider themselves to be above replying to their viewers’ comments! Keep up the great work and I hope you get the fame you deserve soon!!!
@@ThatRandomFerarriFan Thanks man! I truly built this channel for the community, so my relationship with my viewers in the comment section is one of the most important aspects of what I do here! And even as the channel grows, I'll try the best I can to answer as many viewers questions as possible.
I have small hands. I am an O minus fan. I have both the wired and wireless
O- has been my main gaming mouse for almost 2 years now... The O2- wireless will be a very interesting release for sure!
I don't normally comment on videos but this video is gold. Please keep doing the in-depth videos, they're amazing. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!!! Such nice feedback is always highly appreciated!
(and you can count on these in-depth real reviews to keep coming around here 👍)
This man has a pHD in mouseology, respect
That's going in my resumé right now! 😂
Thanks man! Appreciated!!!
How do you put the Model O 2 into bluetooth pairing mode? I haven't been able to figure it out.
On my pre-production unit, the combo is to press & hold the DPI + both side buttons for 5 seconds. But I see no reason for it to be different in the current production units, so go ahead and give this combo a try.
I'll just sit here with my big hands and patiently await the Model D 2...
It is coming... ⏳👀
Love the content you produce! Keep it up!!!
Yo, thank you Martin!!! You can bet there is much more to come around here ma' man!👊😎
Awsome video! I was wondering what software you use to edit? It's amazing!
Thank you Protrino!!! I use DaVinci Resolve Studio, which is an insanely powerful editing tool, but which unfortunately took me quite a while to master... Video editing software such as Resolve or Premiere are definitely not intuitive or user-friendly tools and their learning curves are ridiculously steep.
But at this point in 2022, if anyone wants to learn video editing for RUclips and needs to start from zero in a non-linear editing suite, I would strongly recommend DaVinci Resolve over Adobe Premiere. Resolve, at least in my opinion, is a far superior product both in terms of its abilities and in terms of performance (which Resolve seems to scale far better than Premiere the more CPU, RAM and GPU power you throw at it). Not to mention that you can start using it for free (while Adobe products lock you into monthly payments for eternity).
One important thing for me is: Can this Mouse still Butterfly click like the old one?
For butterfly-clicking I believe the old model has one advantage: a slightly larger area at the tip of the button (where most people usually do their clicking on this modality), when compared to the O 2 that has a slightly (2 or 3 millimeters) smaller button. But the O 2 has its own advantage over the V1: lower pre/post travel distances, which can help you to click faster.
For drag-clicking I believe the O 2 has a better texture than the V1, which will definitely help, but its Kailh GM 8.0 has a slightly heavier switch click (which might be a problem or not to you, depending on your preference), when compared to the OMRONs of the V1.
@@IOSam Thanks for the answer do you think it would be worth buying for Butterfly because of the other advantages?
@@LAUCHGeorge I'd say that it would be worth trying because of how good its grippy texture and pre/post-travel are (two things that should be very helpful for butterfly-clicking). Besides, its 80 million clicks Kailh switches should withstand the abuse for much longer than 20 mil OMRONs...
As long as you don't have huge hands with thick "sausage fingers" (that could get cramped to butterfly-click on the slightly narrower buttons), I think this could be a good choice for Minecrafting.
@@IOSamYea my omroms gave up, so now i am gonna try the o2.
this is by far the best review i've ever seen, im planning on getting it, does it double click better or equal to the original model o?
Thank you Dino!!! Appreciated man!! I’d say the O 2 has a shorter click travel than the original O (because of its much smaller pre-travel), so that would definitively be a positive for quick double-clicks. Another positive is its grippier coating, which I believe helps for drag-clicking when compared to the slicker surface of the original.
On the other hand, the new Kailh switches here offer a bit more resistance than the OMRONs of the original O, which might be a negative to some users, depending on their taste for how crisp they like the actuation to be.
Do you think it is worth it to buy the Model O 2 Wireless if I already own the Model O Wired (I´ve had it since 2020)?
I’d say that would depend mainly on two factors: 1) how well is your 2020 mouse working now; and 2) if the O 2 brings some new functionality/feature that you feel would improve your usability/performance.
The new O 2 brings the advantage of Bluetooth and significantly better battery life (if you go with the wireless version), better texture, better sensor and switches, and less pre/post travel on mouse 1 and 2. If any of these things sound important enough to you to justify the cost of the upgrade, then I’d say: go for it.
For me personally, I could not tell the difference in tracking performance between the old Model O sensor and the new O 2 BAMF 2.0 (since I’m not a pro player) and just the better switches and texture alone would probably not be enough to make me spend more money to upgrade if my V1 Model O was still working fine. But if I’d been “maining” a wired mouse up to now, I would probably consider upgrading to a wireless one at this point in 2022/2023 and, in that case, I’d definitely consider going with the O 2 Wireless for its incredible battery life (and Bluetooth).
But if your 2020 Model O is still serving you well for most of your desktop work and gaming, then you can always wait to upgrade a bit later in the future (and maybe even wait for some future sale where you could get the O 2 for a better price down the road).
@@IOSam Thanks bro
The best Mouse review i've seen so far, great Video!
Thank you my friend! Highly appreciated!!! I hope to bring some more in-depth mouse content in 2023, so stay tuned…
@@IOSam Looking forward to it :D
I am usually skeptical of IO Sam's videos especially with Glorious products but... You nailed this review; The good, the bad and even had a high level player give their 2 cents which was a great edition. I think what glorious did here was the correct move adding features and even shedding a gram of weight. Mice are one of those things where it comes down to comfort and that includes weight. I still prefer my Model O Wireless over the G Pro and the Viper V2 pro (i own all 3). For some reason the shape and weight make it a perfect all-rounder for COD, Battlefield, CS GO and Valorant. When mice are too light, even setting the DPI or Sens down, for some reason doesn't feel as good.
Great Review, IO Sam.
- Nash-
Thanks Matt!!! I really appreciate your feedback my good Sir!! I’m happy to see that all the work put into ensuring this review covered all possible angles, paid off!
And I have to say I agree 100% with your opinions here, especially the last line about extremely light mice. While I can also see the point from many competitive gamers (and their preference for sub 60 grams mice), I’m happy with the decisions Glorious made with the O 2.
But I do hope they can, at some point, still bring their “Pro” line out of the Forge group-buys and into their regular Glorious retail, to cater to those gamers that do prefer a more bare-bones sub-60 gaming mouse for fingertip grip.
You're speaking out of my Soul. Just got the Razer Viper V2 Pro for Christmas and thought that it'd be a straight Upgrade from my Glorious Model O.... but it really isn't. Sure, the Sensor is the best on the Market atm, but for me, the weight was just too tiny, making it harder to controll shots in my experience and the Shape of it is also inferior to the Model O. The Viper is just to small for me. And since they didn't change the weight really on the O2 Wireless, i'm definitily gonna buy it! Bit of money saved and will (Most probably) get a , for me, better Mouse
@@Aquila. Yeah, I hear you man... While most mouse reviewers these days seem to be obsessed with feather weight tiny mouse for finger tip grippers, those things just don’t work for everybody. And even a regular Viper can be too small for a lot of folks with large hands or for palm grippers. And that is the target audience Glorious is going for here…
While many people at www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview are very loud in their quest for the next overhyped “micro-mouse” release, I don’t think they’re even close to be a significant segment of the gaming mice market (and I believe Glorious also knows that very well).
@@IOSam Yeah that's true, Imo, there is a line where Mice are just _too_ light, and for me, it starts with the Viper V2 Pros 58g. Loving that Glorious is staying true to their roots and nice to see that they are improving the Lifetime of their Mice, although i have to say, that i have my Glorious Model O for like 3 Years? And never had any Issues with it. Had more Problems with Razer Mice for example.
cant wait to buy this thang it looks awesome and my glorious model o is kinda getting old
Glorious seems to be quite late to finally have these in stock… But it should be worth the wait for original Model O owners waiting for an upgrade like you!
Awesome video. Can you please review the new Model D2 Wireless that just came out today? I am a Minecraft player and would love to know how good it is especially since it uses new optical switches.
Thank you!!! I have the new I2, the O2 Pro and the D2 Pro here in my studio, but could not release a review on time because my main editing PC is out of commission after my CPU crapped out... Hopefully will have my new rig up and running sometime next week to finish my videos.
But what I can tell you now is that the optical switches that Glorious used here are stiffer than the ones from Razer (such as the ones in the Viper V2 Pro and the Basilisk V3 Pro) but lighter than the ones from Logitech (such as the ones used on the new G PRO X Superlight 2 and the G502 X). This means they are not as "spammable" as OMRON mechanical switches, but not as stiff as some optical switches out there... Right in the middle of the pack.
Naturally, I intend to elaborate more on my video when it comes out.
@@IOSam Aw man sorry about that! I hope you get your PC back up and running. So, I just ordered the Model D2 Pro because my Model D Wireless started double clicking every single click on the RMB. Do you think I'll still be able to manage to get really high cps on the Model D2 Pro, I butterfly click. How are the switches in comparison to the ones in the Roccat Kone Pro Air? Because people are able to hit insanely high cps on Kone Pro Air.
@@IOSamWhen will the video come out sir?
@@TheOfficialFT Man... The last few months have been rough! 😅 And yeah... I still owe these I 2 and O 2 / D 2 Pro videos. But now that I got a few other videos and business commitments out of the way, I can finaly sit down to edit the 2 mouse videos I was working on last year (most of content for theses videos are already shot, I just have write and record the script and then edit the whole thing). But 2024 is the year!!! 🙏
@@IOSam great job man!
Great video. Thank you ❤
Glad you enjoyed it! And thank you for the nice feedback!
unique ask but the minecraft community use the glorious line of mice for butterfly clicking the RMB and LMB (using pointer and middle finger to both click a single mouse button), and also double clicking by lowering the debounce to 0-6ms and kind of smacking the mouse button with your finger resulting in 2 very quick physical clicks. using these techniques in tandem certain mice like the model O are notorious to be able to reach even 18-24 clicks per second. would it be possible for you to test if the mouse shape and switches are conducive to this?
Hey Loo! I'm aware of this technique by Minecraft players, although I have never tried to emulate it on my end. But even without any testing in that sense, I can tell you this:
While lowering the debounce time to zero, will very likely increase the rate of double-clicks with the O 2 (which still uses mechanical switches), the Kailh 8.0 switches used here are a bit sharper (with more resistance) than the OMRONs used in the previous line of Glorious mice. And I believe that the Kailh’s additional resistance could get in the way of consistently achieving double clicks (it will definitely be more tiresome on your fingers after a while).
So, I will make a few tests on that regard (and report back here later), but for now, if I had to advise a Minecraft player between keeping the V1 Model O or upgrading to the O 2 solely based on this metric, I'd be more inclined to stick with the V1.
@@IOSam thank you for the analysis! i think you’re exactly correct as I tried to upgrade from the Model O v1 to the v2 as the mouse is getting worn, and found just that. It seems possible but requires more force and is tiring. I wonder if the additional pre/post travel is helpful for this sort of thing
@@loo_9 The pre/post travel of the O 2 will definitely be a plus for quicker multiple clicks in sequence, simply because the total travel distance of the trigger has been drastically reduced when compared to the original Model O. So that COULD indeed balance out the additional resistance of the Kailh 8.0 switches.
The other positive here for Minecraft players doing “drag-clicking” would be the texture of the O 2, which is insanely grippy (I know that is a huge factor for drag-clicking effectively).
Can you reverse the cable and still use it? I know with the original Model O Wireless you couldn't reverse the cable, it wouldn't fit properly.
Unfortunately not, since they kept the USB-C plug of the Modelo O 2 with the same shape of the original Model O. While this sounds counterintuitive (to fix the position of a type of plug supposed to be reversible), their argument is that they had to fix one of the sides up to ensure the upward angle of the cable's plug doesn’t get reversed (making the cable rub against the mouse pad)…
Which kinda makes sense, since I’d rather keep the upward angle feature for whenever I need to use the mouse plugged in.
@@IOSam Thanks for the quick reply. Yeah, at least it has a justification, even though I might not agree with it - great video though!
Ok.. Fourth day in. Let's hope I finish this today XD. Very good and detailed content though man.
😂 I know… There is enough content there for a week! LOL
Thank you so much man!!!
honestly I don't see the reason for further lightening a wireless mouse the way logitech and razer did. I'd rather go with longer battery life.
At least those are my thoughts on it but I only buy wired mice. I'm just sad the O2 doesn't have an illuminated wheel.
I'd also only buy a mouse with holes ever again. Why? Because it is just WAAAY more comfortable. I tend to get sweaty hands. Not with my Model O.
Last but not least: Quality. I've had several mice by logitech and razer in the past and ALL OF THEM started double clicking while still in warranty. My Model O on the other hand hasn't done that in the 3 years I've already had it. Also headset wise Logi and razer haven't been all that well so I tend to avoid them.
Sensor choice isn't so important. The 3360 was already great. I don't get why people say that an older sensor necessary means that it's worse. I'm glad you don't do this. Great Review!
Thank you Opachki! As you probably noticed, my review was not histrionic about this mouse (as my reviews never are). While videos that say something is “the best thing ever invented” or “the worst product ever launched” gets the clicks from impressionable viewers, they are usually click-baiting and missing the forest for the trees. Which are things I don’t do in this channel.
So, the Model O 2 is neither the best nor the worst mouse I’ve ever tried. It does a few things very well and some things less well than the competition. And, at least in my view, it didn’t do anything egregious. So, while I’d certainly change a few things on it if it was up to me, I don’t have a problem in recommending this mouse to those who appreciate the good things it has to offer.
And your observation about switches on brand name mice, I’m right there with you. I had all sorts of problems with both Logitech and Razer mice in regards to switches and encoders throughout the years, but have yet to have those same issues with any of my aging Glorious mice. So, say what you will about some of Glorious choices in build quality (we all know they had their mistakes in the past), but at least as my own experience goes (as with yours), their implementation of switches and wheel encoders have been flawless.
As for sensor performance, it has become one more source of neurosis for gaming mice enthusiasts… I would comfortably bet my own money that the vast majority of gamers (including loud mouth reviewers out there) would not be able to tell the difference between any PixArt sensor launched in the last 5 years or so in a blind test.
And as for holes in the shell or the presence of RGB, for every loud reviewer who bitches about these things, there are other 10,000 people out there who like these, so Glorious knows very well which side of the bread is buttered. I think they’re smart to have products for both the wider audiences (who usually like RGB for example), and products focused specifically on those gamers who are not concerned with looks (and only care about weight for example), which is the case with their “Pro” line that was tested through group-buys and will become regular retail products soon.
No reason to skip on a huge part of the market (and its respectively big profits) just because a few angry reviewers (and their minions with pitchforks) demand that RGB gets removed from gaming mice forever…
Are the switches used similar to GM 8.0?
Yes. Very much so. While these switches on new Glorious mice have a different button color, I'd take a guess that the internals are probably the same of those from a regular GM 8.0.
I don't know why they just don't release the O and the O- versions at the same time.
Agreed! I also wish all these large brands did this (looking at Razer as well, which took forever to announce a Razer mini wireless).
It seems the investments in molds and machinery to release two sizes at the same time is too much even for the big guys...
But from what I heard, another reason why they do this is to be able to learn from one (average sized) model before they release other sizes, so they can avoid any mistakes made on the first model (which otherwise would plague two lines of products instead of just one).
Respectfully i disagree with your price take. Lamzu and pulsar are providing better mice for cheaper. sure not 80, but at 90 which would have been a much more reasonable price point. I bought a ninjutso sora will you be reviewing it?
Thank you for your comment friend! I really appreciate it!!! I had a similar discussion with another viewer here (under the name Super_SSG), which I believe might also help you understand my thought process when producing this video, and why I mostly compared the Model O 2 to the Razer Viper V2 Pro and the Logitech G Pro X Superlight.
But let me rephrase some of that conversation here to fit your question:
While newer entrants such as Lamzu and Ninjutsu are perfectly good choices for gaming mice enthusiasts, that are willing to go out of their way to find these niche product where ever they can be found (usually small online mouse shops in North America or AliExpress), I believe brands such as Logitech, Razer, Corsair, SteelSeries and now Glorious still have a much bigger appeal to a much wider (non-enthusiast) crowd. And that is simply because these bigger brands are easier to find and buy, both online and at local brick & mortar shops, in all continents.
Bigger brands also offer other things that appeal to non-enthusiasts, such as reliable post-sale customer support and inter-operability with existing hardware and software ecosystems (such as the mouse working with keyboards, headsets, RGB lights, driver software, etc.).
And on the pricing side, I agree with you that the niche enthusiast brands will always try to be more price competitive (they have to be) to survive in this insanely competitive market. Glorious themselves had to be crazy competitive in price when they came out with the Model O three years ago, when nobody knew who they were. But even there, this advantage can be mostly wiped out by the availability problem.
To use the same examples, you gave on your comment, both the Lamzu Atlantic and the Ninjutso Sora can’t be easily found to buy even in the US (arguably the largest market in the world for these products) and will be basically impossible to buy if you live in countries with crazy high import tariffs (which is, unfortunately, most of the world).
But even in the US (with one of the most liberal importing policies in the world), I would have to pay another $13 to $15 dollars to have these two models shipped from Canada (Max Gaming) or China (AliExpress in the case of the Lamzu). So, by the time I add the shipping cost to the mouse price, the final tag will surpass the price of the Model O (by a significant margin in the case of the Ninjutsu).
And for people in Europe, India, parts of South-East Asia and South America for example, they could end up paying far more in shipping and still have to add up a bunch of other crazy import tariffs on top of everything, which is why Logitech, Razer, Corsair and now Glorious (that today also has local resellers in all continents like the other big guys) have a huge advantage in the end.
Finally, answering you question about my coverage of other gaming mice here in the channel (such as the Ninjutso Sora), I can promise you that I will try to cover as much enthusiast grade gear as possible. But at this stage in my very young and small channel, it is obviously super challenging for me to be able to cover every possible exciting product out there (and I agree with you that both the Atlantis and the Sora are indeed very exciting products!).
But I’m am working hard to put together a team of collaborators that might help me to get there. So, if you stick with me throughout this “rough start”, I can assure you I’ll eventually be able to produce the same level of content quality you saw here applied to other newer and exciting peripheral brands!
Any chance for a couple images showing the difference in length compared to the original? The model o was just slightly too long for my tastes and it caught my attention when the o2 was announced 2mm shorter.
Hey Sithreis! As I mentioned on the "shape and measurements" chapter, while there is a 2 mm difference in length between the O 2 and the original O, that difference is basically imperceptible. If the regular Model O is too long for your hand size, then the O- (or the O- 2 that I’m sure is coming sometime this year) will be the better size for you.
@@IOSam I tend to be fairly perceptive of those types of differences but haven't been able to get any good side by side or bottom to bottom shots of the o2 vs regular o. And the o- was far too hand crampy for me. Thanks tho
@@Sithreis I'll try to put a link to a shot of both versions side-by-side here tomorrow for you to check it out. But I can tell you that the small 2mm size difference, will be difficult to see (in a picture)...
@@IOSamWith how the dimensions seem to be measured on the glorious site, the regular model o seemed to indicate that its including the cable stress relief but the o2 looked like it was showing the measurement from the body of the mouse which would basically mean there wasnt any change at all in size if that were the case. Thats why I've been lookin for a solid comparison in that regard. Really appreciate it.
@@Sithreis In my video, the measurement numbers I give are the ones I measured myself with my own digital caliper (I didn’t use the numbers provided by Glorious). So, there is no part of the cable included on my numbers and I still found 2 mm difference between them (the new Model O 2 being the smaller one). Here is the link for the picture I just took of both models side-by-side: imgur.com/a/BHKumFc
I like it, but it's a pre-production and when it releases it will be a 1st batch. So, I'll be considering it next year :)
That, my friend, is never a bad move! ;)
Love your vids
Thanks man!!! Glad you're here!!👊
(currently working on the 0 2/D 2 Pro video)
Excellent review!
Thanks Miguel! Appreciated ma' man!!!👊
Does anyone has compatible Scroll Wheels for the O- ?? Ill use my middle mouse click very often and i allready have like 6 mices^^
If you have a soldering iron, you can replace it yourself (the model O and O- are very easy to open). While Glorious uses 10 mm tall brown core F-Switch encoder (according to www.techpowerup.com/review/glorious-pc-gaming-race-model-o/4.html ), which are impossible to find anywhere, you can replace them with basically any other 10 mm height rotary encoders you find on Aliexpress, from brands like TTC, Huano and Kailh.
Thank you for this awesome comparing
Glad you liked it!!! While it was a lot of work to squeeze that much content into a single video, I really felt like a review of the revamped Model O 2 would be incomplete without at least bringing in the Viper V2 and G Pro X to the fight... ;)
@@IOSam + True that :) ! I had the Viper as well but for me everything of the glorious wins. I think it is also a very personal preference. But next to this Razer let me down a few times with the built quality of it's mouses :)
@@_Lady_Sicario_ As someone who uses a Glorious Model D Wireless daily for productivity now (despite it having its own issues), I definitely understand where you're coming from... And in that sense, I think you'll like the new Version 2 of all Glorious mice even more, since the upgrade in build quality is enormous!
The O 2 pre-production unit I have here is built like a tank (far better than anything I've tried from Razer for sure!) and has the best texture of any mice I've ever used. Glorious did a really good job here!
Really good review
Thank you Sir!!! Very much appreciated!
I am looking to get this mouse when will I be able to get it?
Right now it is in pre-order phase (link is in the video description section) and Glorious says pre-orders placed now will start shipping sometime in the second half of December.
hopefully they can release the model D 2 soon , also the mouse is quite perfect just the creaking QC problem hope they can solve that as well , nowadays a lot mouse already removed the DPI button which is sad for me and glorious do a great job by keeping that
The upcoming O2 minus and D2 are very promising. And considering the O minus (v1) and the original D wireless are my most used mice for gaming and productivity, I admit I’m a bit biased here… :)
And I totally agree with you in the DPI switch issue: I think it should always be on the top of the mouse instead of the bottom or, worse, on software only.
Glorious makes some fine, but expensive, peripherals. I just got their numpad to go with my Razer Blade. It is a great match.
They’re gunning for the “big guys” Razer, Logitech and SteelSeries… Against those brands, Glorious prices are on point. But if compared to many other [even more] aggressive newcomers in the gaming mice segment (Xtrfy, Pulsar, G-Wolves, etc.) the price competition becomes much more interesting, of course.
Is the numpad as hefty as the gmmk pro?
Yeap! Definitely! Almost too heavy for a numpad!
It passed the "can be used as a weapon test"! 😂
Any idea on MODEL D 2 wireless? I find the MODEL O too small for my hands and they are only slightly larger than yours.
Also how does the Model O 2 compare to the Razor DeathAdder V3 Pro? Currently have this mouse in black but would like a white mouse for fps games and wasn’t sure if I should get another V3 pro in white or get the Model O 2 in white
I did ask Glorious about the rest of the lineup (the O- 2 and D 2 being the ones I’m the most interested in as well), but they would not give me any clues. Considering the delays in bringing the O 2 in stock so far, I can imagine why they wouldn’t want to give any ETA.
At this point, the DA V3 Pro is obviously the king of the hill in terms of best ergo shape and performance, but for $150 it is still overpriced in my opinion. But if price is no object to you, at this point in 2023, there is nothing in the market that can touch it.
One acceptable compromise would be the Pulsar Xlite V2 (amzn.to/3wJPToN ), which offers both regular and mini sizes and can be easily found for less than $80 out there. Not as cutting edge as the DA V3 for sure, but still one of the best deals in ergo lightweight gaming mice out there right now (it has a great shape and it comes in white :)
As for comparing the Death Adder V3 Pro or Viper V2 Pro to the Model O 2, I guess it depends on your priorities. If you want fast and reliable optical switches, Razer is still king (the model O 2 has very good Kailhs, but those are still mechanical). Also, the Razer models are lighter than the O 2, so if weight is also a priority to you, you’d have to go with them.
As for build quality I have to say the O 2 feels much more solid in the hand, and I also prefer the shape of the O 2 vs the Viper (for an ambidextrous mouse). In terms of texture/grip, while I do like the new Razer V3 lineup texture, the Model O 2 edges them out by a notch or two in my opinion.
So, if you use the mouse strictly for gaming, I can see the more expensive Razers being a better choice for some people, but I believe the O 2 is a better “all-rounder” for day-to-day use +gaming.
And finally, whenever the D 2 comes out with the same improvements of the O 2, and if Glorious doesn’t mess with the shape, that will probably be my main mouse for day-to-day use (the D wireless is my main now), since it has the perfect shape for me.
@@IOSam thanks so much for the response and answering all of my questions. I found the Model D to be better suited for my hands with fantastic comfort and precision for gaming, so I'll probably wait for the Model D2 instead of getting another DA V3 Pro. I know Razor is releasing another mouse for "Faker" in like 2 weeks although I'm not sure if it's just a variant of the DA V3 Pro or an actual new mouse line up. Love your videos by the way! Great to listen to in the morning during my commute to work
@@FleyEnder I’m 99% sure the Razer Faker will be just a reskinned version of the DA V3 Pro… So, for now, I guess we’ll have to play the waiting game for Glorious D 2…
And thanks for the nice words and for supporting the channel with your view time!!! Extremely appreciated my friend!!
@@IOSam maybe it’ll have slight improvements to the DA V3? My ONLY issue with the mouse is that the scroll wheel is really sensitive in the sense that it’ll turn with the softest of accidentally touches. I’ve seen comments about it but never discussed in big RUclips vids.
And no problem. it’s nice when you find educational channels with analytical yet fun approaches and cover all the nuances that new products have.
@@IOSam looks like you were correct with the Faker Razer mouse being a DA3 reskin. By chance do you know if all of the DA3s scroll wheel are super sensitive or perhaps I just got a bad mouse? I’ve never had issues with the scroll wheel before but with my black razor death adder 3 I’m constantly having the scroll wheel move from the lightest accidentally touches. In some games this causes me to jump or in league of legends I’ll randomly zoom in. I love the mouse overall but this simple issue of having the scroll wheel be too sensitive is causing me enough frustration to either try another mouse or perhaps look to replace it.
When will - be released?
Both models are available for pre-order (shrsl.com/3syj7 ) with expected shipments (according to Glorious) to start sometime in the end of December.
@@IOSam tnx for the info bud
I hope they come out with an O minus 2
I'm pretty sure they will... Based on their release cadence last time around, they might come out with the O2 minus next, then the D2 and D2 minus.
Amazingly in-depth video on the mouse, but I'd have to somewhat disagree with your angle on the Pricing & Competition for the Glorious Model O2, specifically the wireless version. If you compare it w/ the larger brands like Logitech and Razer, the model O2 will easily look disruptive by comparison just by virtue of it offering similar core features but at 1/2 the price of those larger brands. w/ the acceptable compromise of perhaps not having the bleeding edge of wireless tech comparatively.
However, the reason why I disagree w/ this is that there have been lots of other 'ambidextrous' gaming mouse released within this year that are also priced around $90 - $100 USD, which provide a more fair 1-to-1 comparison to the Model O2 imo due to the similar price bracket. The following are the non-exhaustive list of the notable mouse models that I've mentioned:
1. Pulsar X2 Medium/X2 Mini - MSRP $95 USD, 56gr(Medium)/52gr(Mini) weight, PAW3395 sensor. Rather unique shape that's sort of like a hybrid between the XM1 hump and G Pro Superlight sides.
2. Lamzu Atlantis - MSRP $90 USD, 55gr weight, PAW3395 sensor. Sort of like an XM1R clone but w/ hump that's slightly more centered and less aggressive sides/tappering.
3. Fantech Aria - MSRP $68.80 USD, 59gr weight, PAW3395 sensor. 'Egg' shape mouse that's like a slightly larger Razer Orochi. Could be potentially slightly cheaper from Aliexpress depending on shipping costs.
4. CoolerMaster MM712 - MSRP $70 USD, 59gr weight, PAW3370 sensor. Basically an upgraded wireless version of the MM711/MM710 shape, which is a pretty popular shape among claw-grip users.
All reviews for the mouse in the list seem to indicate good quality and great sensor performance as well that's rather on-par w/ Logitech wireless for everyday and competitive gaming. Outside of this list I've heard that the upcoming Ninjutso Sora (another XM1R clone, but smaller) will be another potential good option within this price bracket, as well as the Lethal Gaming LA-1. Though the LA-1 may have pricing that's a little bit more expensive than $100 USD.
From this list, I've admittedly only managed to test out and use the 1st batch of the Pulsar X2 Mini. Good build quality and great sensor performance for the price, w/ a shape that's great for medium/smaller hands w/ claw/fingertip grip styles. My copy unfortunately was among the 1st batch casualty that had grinding button issues, but 2nd batch & beyond (which are what you'll get if you buy it from them now) seem to have this issue fixed.
My point being, I'm not taking away your conclusion that the Glorious Model O2 is a good cheaper alternative to the Logitech & Razer big brands for a 'premium' gaming mouse experience. However, considering the release of many other great premium-feeling mouse that's within a similar pricing bracket of $90 - $100 USD, I think that the comparison of the O2 w/ these mice would be more fair and interesting, instead of just comparing it to the big brand mice.
Again great video IOSam, just hoping that this comment can help add some other great options for those who're in the market looking for 'mid-tier' premium gaming mouse. It's been an insane competitive year of great releases for the 'mid-tier' gaming mouse market, and I just hope that this would mean even better innovation for Mouse manufacturers as a whole, including Glorious
Man, what an amazing piece you contributed here!! Thank you so much for this (I really mean it)!!!
I totally see where you’re coming from there, and I do agree with your premises. The reasons why I decided to focus on Logitech and Razer as the main competitors for Glorious were many (besides the obvious impossibility to cover everything in one video, which was long enough as it is 😂):
1) I wanted to focus on the main brands that even non-enthusiasts know and that can be bought pretty much anywhere in the world at this point in 2022 (which I think Glorious has recently achieved that milestone, now that they have local resellers in all continents);
2) Many of the brands you mentioned, are newer entrants to this market and have availability issues in certain parts of the world (good luck trying to get a Lamzu for example 😆) and likely will be more difficult to get support from;
3) I also wanted to focus on brands that have an “ecosystem” (other hardware and software that works more or less seamlessly together), which is something that Glorious now has in common with Logitech, Razer, Corsair, Coolermaster and Steelseries (which they didn’t have it when they came out with the original Model O in 2019), although I picked only the two undisputed market leaders for this review given their obviously huge market-share and “cross-shopping factor”.
4) I did mention other smaller-ish vendors such as Xtrfy and G-Wolves, simply because they kinda have become "household names" on their own right, to a certain extent, since they came to the lightweight gaming mice scene not too long after Glorious, and also managed to grab significant market share up to this point in 2022 (and can also be easily bought in most parts of the world nowadays).
So, with those points in mind, it is easier to see that I decided to produce this video a bit more focused on the “normie” gaming mouse shopper out there, since I figured that the enthusiast market is currently well served already by other channels that are 100% focused on high-performance gaming mice on RUclips.
On a side note: it seems that, despite all my efforts, I still ended making the mistake of leaving out Minecraft players on my considerations 🤦♂️, which was a big oversight considering how enormous that contingent is (which goes to show how hard it is to produce a video like this trying to cover all the angles, and in record time).
Having said all that, I do agree with you 100% that: a) if you are an enthusiast; and b) you are willing to take a bit more chances with smaller/younger brands, you will definitely find better deals in high-performance/extreme-light-weight gaming mice out there from the likes of Pulsar, Pwnage, Endgame Gear, Ninjutso, Fantech (I have an Aria on the way :) and others.
It is important to point out that many of these brands are sitting today where Glorious was sitting in 2019 (up-and-coming market challengers), and I can only hope that some of them will become household names in the PC peripherals industry in a few years, just like Glorious did (we can always use some more competition! ;).
Finally, I also would like to state here that this was just my first mouse review on this channel, but it will definitely not be the last! I’m putting together a team of collaborators to help me with mouse content and you can bet the next videos covering mice (which I’ll cover not only gaming ones, but also productivity models) will eventually touch all the brands you mentioned on your comment. I certainly plan to get in-depth into the enthusiast gaming mice reviews! So, stay tuned!! ;)
@@IOSam Fair points on the replies. I understand better now the target audience of the video, in which case the big brand comparisons are indeed sufficient.
Interesting to know that you have ordered an Aria. Looking forward to a review of it you're planning to, as well as other in-depth nice reviews as well. Keep it coming and great job on the video again!
Since they changed the shape of then mice, is the model o 2 wireless still good for the butterfly clicking method or is it better for jitter?
Well, just a small correction, they didn’t change the shape of the body, but they did change the shape of the buttons. And while I’m not a Minecraft player, I’d suspect the new O 2 could be better for both quick clicking methods IF you don’t mind the new Kailh switches that seem to offer a bit more resistance than the old OMRONs of the previous models (which could be a bit more fatiguing for long sessions).
The reason why I believe some people would prefer the new model O 2 for those clicking techniques though is because of the smaller travel distance of the new buttons (very small pre-travel) and because of the better and grippier texture (which I suspect will be good jitter clicking).
@@IOSam yes, but smaller travel is worse for butterfly clicking. We require the extra travel to get the clicks
@@LearnHax Ok, that is an important piece of new information to me then. So, yeah... If you rely on butterfly clicking for your gaming, and short travel distance mouse triggers is bad for performance in that case, then the original model O will be the better choice, since it has easily twice as much travel distance than the new model O 2.
@@IOSam Okay, thank you. You're a very good RUclipsr. You earned a Subscriber
@@LearnHax Thanks man (your sub is highly appreciated)!!! We're here to help!!
I think It's not competitive enough for serious gaming because of x2, Atlantis, sora, etc because they weigh less and some of them you can buy cheaper, but I think for average gamers or just people who prefer Bluetooth and availability of the mouse over fewer grams of weigh or fewer dollars. Because it has a good design with some RGB, and Bluetooth mode and it's sort of light.
I think you put it very accurately!! A great overall briefing of this product position in the market in late 2022!
@@IOSam Thanks) Great vid btw.
which one is better o2 or o
In my opinion, definetly the O 2.
how to setup 2.4 in this mouse ?
If you mean how to pair the mouse with its 2.4 Ghz dongle 👉 glorious.ladesk.com/527479-How-To-Pair-Your-V2-Wireless-Mouse-With-The-Wireless-Receiver
which one is better o2 or o pro
I don’t think there is a cut and dry easy answer to that question... It mostly depends on what your priorities are in a gaming mouse. If weight is your #1 priority, then the O Pro is the obvious choice at its ultra-light 55 grams. But if you value battery life, build quality, and other features such as Bluetooth and aesthetics, then the O 2 is the way to go.
In my personal opinion, if I had to pick just one, I’d go with the O 2, mostly for its crazy long battery life, the super tight and sharp buttons (with almost zero pre-travel), the grippy texture and the Bluetooth connection that extends the battery life even further. These are all things where the O 2 beats the O Pro in my opinion.
And finally, there is the fact that the O Pro is not an in-stock product, which means the only way to get it now is through outrageous scalper prices on eBay (which is never an option in my opinion) and which makes the O 2 an even more logical choice in late-2022/early-2023.
@@IOSam ty:)
I'm waiting for someone to make a minecraft review for this
I'm sure that is coming soon! What I have been saying here in the comments section for people asking about "drag-clicking" with this mouse, is that you have one big advantage in it in comparison with the previous Model O: its texture --which better lends itself for drag-clicking than the smoother surface of the V1.
On the disadvantage side, I have to point out that the Kailh GM 8.0 switches used on the O 2 are a bit heavier than the OMRONs used in the original Model O, and that could make it a bit more tiresome to quickly drag-click on the O 2.
I don't understand the manufacturers. Why is it hard to put buttons to both sides on ambidextrous mice? As a left handed person, soon I can't buy a decent mouse, the options are so limited.
This “amputation” of gaming mice features is happening all over the place in the name of the never-ending quest for the lightest possible weight… While I’m all for lightweight mice, I think there is a fine line between getting to a comfortable weight and just making a less useful product. And I think many gaming mice manufacturers are losing sight of that.
While Glorious didn’t go as far as other brands in that regard, it would be nice if they at least offered another SKU of their ambidextrous mice for left-handed people.
@@IOSam I bought a mouse 4 years ago, at that time the choice was similarly limited.
Okay, I'm weird because while I'm left handed, the main buttons are in right handed mode (left click is left click and right click is right click), this is how I got used to it in the '90s as a child.
I don't mind the weight, currently I have a steelseries sensei 310, buttons on both side, can be configured as the user want it, I don't understand why it is hard. Too bad that the sensei ten has quality issues with the scroll wheel, reviews are full of it. Other option would be the Corsair M55 pro but according to reviews it has a very huge LOD. And the other option is the ducky feather. But the ducky in left handed mode switches the main buttons, like the old zowies. Probably this is the best option though and I will switch it back in Windows (or try to get used to full left handed mode).
This is just sad.
Anyway, thanks for the review. This would be a great option if I would be right handed :)
@@-fatal- Have you tried the Viper Ultimate? It has side buttons on both sides and can be found for half the price of the newer V3 Pro. And in terms of features, the Ultimate is a far better mouse than the V3 in exchange for its extra 16 grams of weight.
my debounce time doesn't work
I prefer wired. Too much wireless radiation all around anyway.
I know all too well (considering how many wireless crap I have in my office)! 😆
Deleted my comment, I was 100% wrong. lol I was comparing it to the model o-
Ah ok... 😂 In that case, yeah... Big difference in size indeed!
Bro, this looks like an Alibaba mouse - Boardzy 2022
You mean like the Fantech Aria, that I got from AliExpress (owned by Alibaba), and that he likes so much?
Always Love my model O but it's just too long for my palm. My hand perfect fit for Model D. maybe I will wait for next update for model D and buy it. also I love bigger hex holes. because my dog sheds a lot and it's easier to poke those dog fur LOL
I have to say that, now that I tried the O 2, I'm really looking forward for the O2- and D2W (the O- has been my favorite for FPS and the D wireless is my most used desktop/productivity one).
As for the dog fur, my suggestion to you would be to get one of these electric high-pressure air dusters (amzn.to/3EUxJ8N ) to clean your gear. This thing has been a GODSEND around my office to remove dust and hair from even the most difficult corners of keyboards and mice!
@@IOSam Thank you for the tips! but yea always love glorious mices it's feel clean, expensive but very cheap / affordable. thank you again always love the details of your review.
Model Oxygen Gas
Hehe... I think Glorious might be wasting opportunities for some great puns here!
I use custom keyboards other than Glorious' offerings (i think the GMMK Pro is overrated and has little flex, and the GMMK2 is a decent offering but with no "EASY" QMK support), but their mouse is pretty great. Moved away from wireless and daily drive a Model O moddel. Excited to see the O2.
I honestly think the GMMMK Pro (as is the case with the stuff from Keychron, for example) is a great "gateway" board. But as you progress in the hobby, yeah... Many first time mech users will eventually "grow past" this type of board.
As for the flex, I'm about to test Glorious new "Flex Kit" for the GMMK Pro... Actually, curious to see how that works out.
But, like you, I spend much more time using their mice than any other product from them these days.
@@IOSam when does that release if it's not already a thing? I'm just getting started on all this and just built a gmmkpro
@@rpm10k. The Flex Kit? I think they're pre-selling to their Glorious Forum members now, but they told me they will bring it to their regular online retail store early next year.
@@IOSamcool. I look forward to more of your incredibly detailed content. Thanks for the reply!
nice! I was sent the care package for review from Glorious that included the GMMK2, holy pandas, and the Model O + D. I'm looking forward to testing out and reviewing these new mice!
50 minutes.....bruh.
😂 Sorry... I got a bit carried away there...
someone who has this glorious model o 2 it reaches 0 debouce time i am a minecraft player that's why the question
I’m not sure what your question is here, but if you’re asking if the Model O 2 can reach a flat out zero debounce time… it cannot… at least not without optical switches.
Now, mechanical switches can be very fast (fast enough for 99% of people, that is), but never as fast as optical ones. Which is why Razer still reigns in the click latency realm with their optical switches today. But that lead will not last very long, since the next version of Logitech G Pro will have optical switches, so will pretty much all modern gaming mice coming from serious brands from here onwards (even Glorious is working on their own optical switch design at this point -they don’t really have a choice).
Just picked one up for 40 dollars
Did you get the original Model O or the O2 for $40?
@@IOSam 02 models were on sale for Cybermonday , Wired was 38.99 and Wireless was 59.99
@@IOSam Should I buy Model D Wireless or Model O 2 Wired for the same price?
I cant stand their software and lack of help with it. I searched through forum after forum with no help to my issue and an issue that plagued a ton of others that they never released a solution for. The physical mouse itself is great but the software is just horrible.
Which software specifically are you referring to: the one that came with the original Model O (wired)? Or the new Glorious Core App?
And what is the issue you have with it specifically? (Just want to cross-check your experience with mine, and from other users, here)
Unable to connect my mouse to glorious core. Wired in or wireless. Once in a blue moon itll work but 90% of the time no dice. Ive tried more than I care to explain.
Bro spend 50 minutes talking about a computer mouse
If you think that's bad is because you haven't seen the rest of the videos in this channel... 😂
Don't bother with this mouse, I got it for Christmas and it stopped working mid ranked match, even though it was connected and charging. I have a basic battery powered mouse from 2016 from another company that's never had this issue. I threw the Model O2 in the garbage after that. Typical for a company to dump money into ads and fancy lights instead of making sure their mouse works.
👉 www.gloriousgaming.com/blogs/guides-resources/glorious-warranty-program
Why oh why. Theyve made a really unique nice looking mouse really ugly with less RGB, removed the little head which I thought looked great and changed the holes to just plain holes. It now looks like every other knock off off brand light mouse with holes in it.
Big pass.
Amazes me. A mouse is a mouse. As in theres not alot you can do to differentiate it from others. One big area you can do that is design, and they've gone and fucked that up.
Great. Well done.
While I am of a different opinion (considering I had the chance to hold both the new and the old versions on my hands and feel the build quality difference, and that I don’t mind the looks of the smaller cutouts), I understand your frustration…
Especially considering that all manufacturers have now removed any trace of RGB to make their mice as feather-lightweight as possible, and there aren’t many options for good gaming mice with boatloads of RGB as we had just a year or two ago (even removing the scroll-wheel light, Glorious is still possibly one of the very last “large” gaming mice brands to still keep flashy RGB somewhere in the mouse body).
@@IOSam yh they've just removed it's unique design language and now it does just look like every other off brand mouse that has a bunch of holes in it.
Those hexagon type holes in the original mouse, the head on the side, it's part of what made that mouse feel like the proper branded premium version of a perforated mouse. Now it's just plain circle holes and no branding.
Its like removing the Nike tick off a pair of white Nike trainers. They've taken there classic coke brand and fucking dumped that in the bin and are now cheap cola instead.
Really disappointed.
Loved the original subtle yet stylish design language in there previous product.
Looks like I'm jumping ship. It's especially annoying as I like symmetry in my setup. So a glorious mouse with a glorious keyboard. Now I'm guna have to get a whole new fucking keyboard to go with a mouse. Probably jump over to razer.
Idiots
@Shootej3826 can tell the difference 17:13
Hehe... We should get him one for testing then! XD